Can you name one good reason? Why bring more humans into this hellscape
>>82936028>muh selfishnessok so kill yourself. if you were truly selfless and flawless, you wouldnt add more pollution to the world and drain its resources to keep yourself alive.
>>82936048Me killing myself wouldn't solve problem though I would do more service by convincing people to not have kids. Like you
To prevent the future from being filled with retarded sociopaths
>>82936053No, that is cope because you can no longer rationalize your belief system. Merely being alive and using the internet right now is selfish pollution of the earth. You could end your own selfish ways right now but wont because you want to be hypocrite and moral high horse to others.
Since all the roasties that get abortions and use birth control will remove themselves from the gene pool, women of the future will have an insatiable urge to pump out as many babies as humanly possible.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5X18lqyDO0
>>82936053but you don't convince anyone anon, you're consuming resources that could go to somebody that needs them more than you though.
>>82936068Millions of people die a day so me dying wouldn't change anything but if I convince one more individual than I have changed world for better. >>82936071So someone who would have kids and prolong it? I got a vasectomy few months ago btw
>>82936078Again, you are coping because you are a hypocrite. You talk about being selfless but won't actually be selfless. I dont listen to people who can't actually uphold their beliefs, sorry.
>>82936086I never said I was being selfless Chuddy :) all im trying to do is stop future generations from suffering. Your argument is like telling vegan to kill themselves since they're taking up resources. Let's go back to argument name one good reason to have kids that isn't selfish
Humans tend to like living, most of the population isn suicidal, most of people attempting suicide regret it, so overall living is a net positive, by bringing a child to life they will most likely live a net positive life and feel content.This is also a way to give back what you received (you have been raised), being a parent also means loving and being loved if you're a good one, which will bring joy in the last decades of life when you won't physically be able to find joy in more fleeting ways (alcohol, promiscuity, food, drugs, brain rot, doomscrolling, etc)
>>82936028Idk what's with the recent antibatalist spam but anyways if it pisses them off its a moral duty at this point.
>>82936122>tend to like livinglol >by bringing a child to life they will most likely live a net positive life and feel content.Source my ass life consumes more resources than it produces in end. You eat more meat than your body weighs in over lifespan. >being a parent also means loving and being loved if you're a good one, which will bring joy in the last decades of life when you won't physically be able to find joy in more fleeting ways (alcohol, promiscuity, food, drugs, brain rot, doomscrolling, etc)So it's all about feeling good isn't it? Your drug addict to emotions that are biological designed to make you wanna replicate. A slave to your lizard brain >>82936123I'm here to spread gospel of death to you
>>82936078Sorry nigger can't hear you over my hypocrite alarm you privileged causer of suffering despite seeking to prevent it through mass human extinction
>>82936117Your entire argument is about selfishness. You are being selfish by being alive, so why should I care about my own selfishness? why should I listen to a hypocrite?
>>82936117Nah, the vegan obviously just takes a vow not to eat animal products and follows up on it. You preach the gospel of death and refuse it. You bear no respect for that which you supposedly preach. Do you undertake studies in palliative care or anything pertaining to the dying beyond posting dogshit on the dogshit board?
>>82936151>seeking to prevent it through mass human extinction>>82936159>You are being selfish by being aliveYes but im not having kids >so why should I care about my own selfishness?So you don't have kids >why should I listen to a hypocrite?Cause no one is perfect and im trying my best anon>>82936167>Do you undertake studies in palliative care or anything pertaining to the dying beyond posting dogshit on the dogshit board?We wouldn't need all that if noOne was born anon
>>82936028Easy sex slave
>>82936028We already have a thread for you antinatalist retards
why don't you go argue this with normies instead of on r9k
>>82936239Cause I want to create an army to help preach the gospel to normies. Plus r9k/4chan is where lot of ideas spread
>>82936078Millions of people give birth every day too, so convincing one person doesn't mean anything either by your own logic
>>82936147>You eat more meat than your body weighs in over lifespan.A farmer produces much more meat than his body weight by a factor of tens of thousands.
>>82936254Yes it means one less person who would have had thousand more kids. If I stop one I have stopped countless thousands from suffering or millions. >>82936275No he doesn't the cow does he's a parasite
>>82936192>Yes but im not having kidsHow do you know? What if someone smarter than you (i.e. anyone) changes your mind?
>>82936279Who feeds the cow?
>>82936281I got a vasectomy anon so im fully committed >>82936295The plants not humans all humans act is as middle man anon.
>>82936122>Humans tend to like livingbut I don't>most of the population isn't suicidal,but I often have beenI don't think humans need to go extinct but people with depression shouldn't reproduce, let the next generation be happier
>>82936308>it's a manYou were never going to have kids anyway>all humans act is as middle manA necessary middleman. Cows couldn't sustain their current population without us.
>>82936314Eugenics to reduce suffering would be much less controversial than antinatalism
>>82936331Their populations are only at that level so we can consume them. We coral them into cages and forcefully impregnate them so they can be milked all time. It's a bloody , evil and wasteful practice whose only intention is to satisfy your taste buds.
>>82936348So what? All life is suffering anyway, according to you. What's the difference?
>>82936028Because I'm a good person and if I bring in more good caring people the world will become nicer.
>>82936393Ur not a good person since that person being alive is built on blood of others. >>82936363Difference is you can stop it now from prolonging into millions of others.
>>82936028Why do you require others to validate your decision not to have kids? Just fuck off and don't have kids. No one cares.
>>82936613I'm trying to stop one of you from causing a chain effect of hundreds or thousands more lives of suffering being born into existence
>>82936028We all suffer to some extent. Will your family line end because of it? Culture, humanity, life, should all end because existence is not perfect bliss?
>>82936671>Culture, humanity, life, should all endWhy does this matter to you so much?
>>82936646You're trying to change the world. Because you're a low IQ normoid who thinks such a thing is not only possible, but desirable. You're probably right not to breed yourself. Everyone else can make their own decisions.
>>82936679>Because you're a low IQ normoid who thinks such a thing is not only possible, but desirable. You're probably right not to breed yourself. Everyone else can make their own decisions.Why are you letting emotions cloud you anon? Think for a moment what having one child could mean down line hundreds , thousand or millions of years into future. Could you imagine amount of suffering , pain , disease and death that each one would experience but easy for you to make that decision by being inclined to your biological impulses.
>>82936734You assume there is emotion in my response when there is not. I'm just stating a fact. You're low IQ, and it won't be a real loss to anyone if you don't breed.You've decided that existence is suffering and nothing good comes of it. You're too low IQ to realize that this is just your perspective, not objective reality.
>>82936678Because either through happenstance or otherwise this all seems like a rare opportunity. We should not waste it. And antinatalism will not end suffering but only leave sociopaths and idiots to suffer in unimaginable ways.
>>82936028What I don't understand most is people who clearly shouldn't have kids that do. Like people who are very obviously in horrible poverty or an abusive household or have disorders that will likely be passed down.Like shit, you're actually just setting your kid up to suffer. I feel like people should have to require a license before being allowed to raise and take care of a child.If that were the case though, we'd probably die out due to the over abundance of actual fucking retards we live amongst. Probably for the better actually.
>>82936053Is there a name for this sort of """altruism""" philosophy spiral that gradually loses humanity and ends with "we should all die"? It's like AI in the movies
>>82936053Is there a name for this sort of """altruism""" philosophy spiral that gradually loses humanity and end in mass murder? It's like movie evil AI or literally hitler>>82936117Always this shit too "Actually I'm not a good person and don't need to abide by my own rules"
>>82936772Thats like saying that an objective reality even exists. Reality is purely ones own perspective and thats it, you're trying to say that the world revolves around your personal perspective instead or something? Or is it 'right' because its the most popular? Claiming low IQ is a weak ass closer.
>>82936786>5 minutes to uploadYeah I'm tapped aren't I
>>82936785It would be abused immediately. Poverty has practically been manufactured in the first world. Now nobody is allowed to have kids except the super rich.
muted muteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr12Lfo4dO4
>>82936829Is there poverty in the room with us right now?
>>82936815You're so low IQ that you don't even understand your own argument. You're the one attempting to impose your perspective on the rest of us.I'm not arguing that everyone needs to have kids. I'm arguing that you should mind your own business and make your own decisions, rather than trying to pressure others to make the same decisions you have in order to feel validated in those decisions.
>>82936192>posts a snarky "we should improve society" gotcha meme from reddit when he wants to destroy it by making sure no one else is bornwild, you people really have no actual beliefs. you just hop from thing to thing.
>>82936028More cheap labor for our corporate overlords. Think of the poor corporate overlords!
>>82936028>Can you name one good reason?I'm a racist anti-natalist, so depending on your perspective; outbreeding lesser races and preventing white extinction (since whites are a minority)Ideally noone would have kids, but blacks do not care and breed anyways, so we have to compete, but that's only not selfish based on if you're racist or not, but all things are relative so the question is le gay anyways.
>>82936815>Thats like saying that an objective reality even existsYou're totally lost in the sauce. Do you have any other wacky beliefs?
>>82936812>Actually I'm not a good person and don't need to abide by my own rulesYou have to be a good person before saying anything?
>>82936843I'm not the anon you were previously talking to.But we're all using our right of free speech. You don't see anybody physically forcing anyone down. Would you say christians should mind their own business and stop trying to 'pressure people' into christianity?You keep saying low IQ but holy shit do you hear yourself lmao
>>82936864Its all about perspective, you do know that pessimists and optimists are a thing, right?
>>82936840Your mom is in the room right now.
>>82936850specifically a meme with an old man forced to do physical labor>>82936876You know what? Sure, It's an unreasonable/impossible thing for a person to do but you have to do it or anguish over not being able to (kill a child), It's your only drive.I have a baby near me right now. You are now MORALLY OBLIGATED to convince me to smother her with a pillow. Do it anon. Reason with me, beg me to do it.
>>82936918No cause that would make her suffer in just saying don't have more kids who have potential to suffer. If bible and most religions literally affirm that this world is essentially gods punishing us why would you wish to add more people to it?
>>82936939Convince me to punch a pregnant woman
>>82936895This isn't about free speech. He's obviously free to post whatever he wants. But if he really believed what he was professing he'd just do it, instead of trying to get others on board to validate his beliefs.If it isn't obvious, I don't think most proselytizing religions actually convince anyone of anything. I think they get a lot of people who get swept up in emotional language and propaganda easily, but even among those people they don't change anyone. Not really.
>>82936964Your making her suffer it would be best if you convinced her to abort
>>82936981What would it take to convince you then?
>>82936986Too fucking bad, I am only willing to punch her.It would cause less suffering overall if I forcefully abort her. Why are you hesitating? Tell me I should do it.
>>82936981>But if he really believed what he was professing he'd just do it, instead of trying to get others on board to validate his beliefs.Isn't he already? Choosing to not have kids, thats participating in your antinatalist belief, hes also just spreading his view as most people do with literally anything ever.All I'm saying is that you're whining about something people do all the time, like with religion, going on about how you're going to burn in hell if you don't worship god, talk about pressuring someone to join your cause. You're complaining cause you don't like the topic and thats it.
>>82936903>You do know that my binary way of perceiving the world is a real thing, right?Not in the faggy way you're presenting them, no, most people called pessimists are actually just pragmatists or realists.
>>82936996Nothing would convince me. There are good things in life. I've seen them, and I experience them from time to time.>>82937061I'm not whining about anything, and you're wrong about my reasons for making the arguments I've made. There are very few people I hate more than those who market and proselytize. People who take it upon themselves to waste others' time and energy to prattle on about things they don't care about and will not think about again once they're no longer socially obligated to pretend to care are worse than murders and rapists in my opinion.
>>82937022A punch would also hurt mother and might not even kill fetus. Abortion would make it cleaner and faster >>82937097>There are good things in life. I've seen them, and I experience them from time to time.Why should your selfish experience dictate lives of thousands more that might arise do to you. Are you sure all of them will live equally good lives or better? Especially with way world going what would be their purpose as AI automate jobs , changing climate and war on horizon.
>>82937097>People who take it upon themselves to waste others' timeYou're actually acting like you can't just stop replying to me. You're wasting your own time dude.>>82937084And thats your perspective, which is different from mine, because the way people perceive the world is different and there isn't a universal 'right' way.
>>82937123No one's sure of anything as far as the future is concerned. They'll have the opportunity to have good experiences, that's all I can offer. And if they decide they agree with you, then they won't have kids.>>82937128I choose to come to 4chan and shitpost. The purpose is largely to kill time. But when someone knocks on my door at 7PM or stops me randomly in public to shill something, I get a strong urge to punch them in the face until they leave.
>>82937150>But when someone knocks on my door at 7PM or stops me randomly in public to shill something, I get a strong urge to punch them in the face until they leave.Great, and that's not happening here. You've run out of counterpoints.
>>82937150>the future is concerned. They'll have the opportunity to have good experiences, that's all I can offer. And if they decide they agree with you, then they won't have kidsHow do you know their experiences willBe good? Why are you doing it? Why not start with yourself instead of adding more
>>82937180I said in my post that I don't know their experiences will be good. I said they would have the opportunity to have good experiences.I would have children because I believe life can be good and enjoyable and fulfilling, and I would give my children the opportunity to experience that, as well as the fact that part of that fulfillment would come from having children.>>82937170OP didn't knock on my door but he's attempting to proselytize for a viewpoint I disagree with in a place where I browse and post.
>>82937123You're claiming that other people mustn't have any children, which requires justification. Your only reason so far has been "they will suffer" which does not suffice, because you have not specified what this suffering entails, or why is makes life not worth living. The general concept of unhappiness is subjective, and not all people are as miserable as you.Stop demanding that others justify the opposite of your claim, shifting the burden of proof is fallacious reasoning.We need better reasons why having children is bad.
>>82936028If everyone with the genetic impulse to reduce suffering dies out then you will maximize the amount of suffering in total. Like, let's say you're a vegan. You don't eat animals. Good job. However, you voted to import immigrants (who will never be vegan) and generated enough demand to have 3 Tyson factories erected around you. Bad vegan. The raw carnivore retards, if they're chuds, did more to reduce animal suffering than you on this one.
>>82937205>more non whites>less white people holding up society >complex society breaks down >billions die>less suffering :)
>>82937195>OP didn't knock on my door but he's attempting to proselytize for a viewpoint I disagree with in a place where I browse and post.So yeah, you're just complaining because its the only other propaganda post in here that you don't like. What ever happened to just closing the thread? This has to be bait at this point
>>82937214Unless this is an extinction event for humankind, (which it won't be) you'll have created more over long periods of time, is the point. Fortunately I know and you know I know you know that this is about killing off white people
>>82937123ok now you failed to even delegate your responsibility, just admit you're stupid and gay
>>82937230So you don't believe in what you believe?>you'll have created more over long periods of timeHow long would a pure white society last that could get to stars and spread across galaxy? You would have spread virus to countless planets > I know and you know I know you know that this is about killing off white peopleWhy would I care about that >>82937240Okay I'm stupid and gay does that make you feel good?
>>82936028because as an Assyrian i have an obligation to marry an Assyrian girl and have many kids for the sake of replenishing our population
>>82937274For what purpose? Let's say they repopulate then what? Anta iraqi isma?
>>82937252Yes and you are MORALLY OBLIGATED to demean yourself further so I can make fun of you
>>82937252>>82937350...don't actually do that, I'm starting to feel bad. Just admit that effective altruism is obviously insane and bad for you
>>82937252What do you mean I don't believe what I believe If antinatalism is about reducing suffering then selectively breeding out those genetically capable of compassion in the first place is a self-defeating action, and a true idealist would not take a self-defeating course of action, which means that the entire concept is just a facade that hides an underlying motive. Probably laziness. Doesn't even have to be outright white genocide, but you also can't deny that it's pushed on whites the most. If you were an ideologically pure antinatalist, you'd probably have dozens of kids and be defrauding a sperm clinic in order to make sure your antinatalist proclivities propagate into the gene pool as much as possible. But when the veil is lifted it's really just you're dumb, lazy, can't have children anyway, and you're coping by virtue signaling about how much better you are o algo. That's why I compared you to a vegan. >b-buh buh what about star trek and colonizing planets Space is the gayest shit ever only unbelievable retards waste time with it >oh no you spread AIDS to a lifeless magma rock a billion miles away from earth
>>82937350:) funny post cause guy in image is right if your able to buy new bike anyway why not make a cope about it >>82937361Idk if im an altruist but aren't we already a collective with how out society is oriented. It hijacke our selfish desires to work for collective through govt , social norms and economics. If we did actually start thinking of ourselves as a collective there would be much less suffering in world :) but humans like you are selfish so we can't have that
>>82936028I want to, ethics ends where I want it to end because no ethics beyond my own matter
>>82937362>>82937362>If antinatalism is about reducing suffering then selectively breeding out those genetically capable of compassion in the first place is a self-defeating actionAre you going to make argument that if I have more kids one of them might kill off all sentient life? Are you an extinctionist >>82937370Where do you get your wants and needs from?
>>82936028The human race continues for another generation. There is not a more pro-humanity activity than having children.
>>82937365Effective Altruist =/= Altruist. It's basically a community that thinks like you do. Like if there is a burning building and you can either save the child or a famous painting, you should leave the child and save the painting then sell it so you can use the money to save 100 children in africa.It's the same logic and philosophical circlejerking, and they also *always* call themself bad people and *always* find a reason to delegate it to someone else because the things they're talking about are far too horrible to actually do. You'll fit right in.
>>82937440I would save kids since guilty weight of them might never leave me. But I can see point they're making that actual right choices might be inconvenient
>>82936053the problem doesn't exist, its all in your head, the extinctin death cult convinced you that resources and energy are finite and you must end your bloodline, because your kid won't live like the top 0.000001% billionares
>>82936028>repopulate your raceSelflessness for the greater good
>>82936028>you are selfish for having kidsOne literally gives up 18 years of his life toward a child. That is the very definition of selflessness. Being childless = I don't want some kid ruining my freedom = I am selfish.
>>82936147>lol lmao xDProjecting faggot
>>82937288then we would have enough of a presence to establish a nation of our ownalso im Iranian Assyrian from the region of Urmi
