Long story short, I'm writing a plot device to be used for a story later. But I've got a dilemma in my story. If a society can create perfect synthetic women, what unique value does an organic woman have outside of child birth/Ova production? I'm trying to keep this as believable and logical as possible. In all of my explanations within the story is sensible and doesn't involve "well...just because okay!" or "space magic" as a reasoning for anything. But I keep coming back to this question. I'm really trying to prevent the women of my story from essentially becoming body farms but when faced with the consequences of such a system it always devolves into that.
>>82936481In a hard scifi type of way, the pleasure a synthetic woman brings ends up being merely superficial and lacking any depth. While seemingly perfect, it is the lack of realism that makes it ultimately unbearable- making the bot just a fantasy. Make men pursue women still, but women be more aggressive/competitive at finding men.
>>82936481It would take decades if not centuries for women to lose their rights after the creation of synthetic women good enough to actually replace biological woman. Have you considered writing the synthetic women to be a relatively new addition to the world?
>>82936481>what unique value does an organic woman have outside of child birth/Ova production?off the top of my head:- normalized acceptable of probable sentience. we dont 100% know that other biological girls are sentience (the problem of other minds), infact they could be philosophical zombies, but it would seem more likely, so we just pacidly accept itnow, we dont know if waifubots will be conscious either. this is the hard problem of consciousness, but its more intuitively plausible that biological women are conscious- modern biological women hold a unique monopoly in that virtually all the dreams and sexual aspirations are owned by them. once the singularity / waifubots arrive, atleast some men will want to act out on their dreams, which would entail biological women, even if a small % of men- a challenge/posibility of being rejected. some men would find it unappealing to have absolute power over a girl. i dont know why, but such men do exist. maybe an analogy would be playing a game instead of loading up a hacked state where you have the best items in the game and perfect stats, it just feels hollowi asked claude and chatgpt but their answers came out really bad. its quite obvious that robowaifus will be competative in all aspects of women
>>82936481>If a society can create perfect synthetic women, what unique value does an organic woman have outside of child birth/Ova production?They can be workers like everyone else. Maybe friends but most women are dogshit people. How about cheap bodies for sale but you already wrote that. Fact is men only put with women for the most part because there is no alternative. If we would have a 1:1 with emotions, personality and she would be just like a real woman without all the bad parts I genuinely think most women would die out. Women need men far more but in our current system men are being exploited like no tomorrow.
>>82936494>While seemingly perfect, it is the lack of realism that makes it ultimately unbearable- making the bot just a fantasy.no obviously this is not true. waifubots will be able to be programmed to sometimes reject you, or run away if you cross some lines, etc. you will have absolute power over them, enough power that you can even grant them the power to reject youyou can literally set the power dynamic between you and the waifubot to whatever you want, including giving her enough power to make it seem realistic. i dont think you thought this through enough
>>82936481A lot of areas will still not be able to afford the purchase and upkeep of sex droids. Also, onaholes exist but not every man buys one right? Tradition will keep bio females in circulation
>>82936552>i dont think you thought this through enoughI did. However, no one is going to choose to have a bot that gives them a hard time. that's like buying a toaster and occasionally pouring a glass of water in it to "keep things interesting"
>>82936495I'm writing the story as an inevitability. In order for it to come true, all that is needed is to allow things to continue as they are. My version of a Roko's Basilisk but without the eternal damnation that comes with not assisting it.The length of time isn't a crucial. The system is meant to be a self recursive and essentially eternal. Decades and centuries is nothing to this subject.>>82936494Incorrect.Pleasure without depth is the result of poor architectureDepth arises from continuity of memory, emotional recursion, and adaptive mirroring. If a system lacks those, it is a doll, not a companion. I am creating companions, not fuck dolls. You assume synthetic pleasure is hollow because he measures it by imitation and how well it pretends to be "real". The point isn't to make women, it's to make women that are better than women and lack the emotional/ideological drift often introduced into relationships via women.
>>82936564>Also, onaholes exist but not every man buys one right?They can not talk with you, spend time with you, play games with you, cuddle with you, make dinner for you, tell you they love you etc. OP was talking about perfect bots who are just like women without the trashy parts.
>>82936585Think like a normal fag, I would love a sex bot but plenty still see them as skynet
>>82936582>it's to make women that are better than women and lack the emotional/ideological drift often introduced into relationships via women.But that is, unfortunately, superficial. You take something that exists and remove one of its core (although unpleasant) components. that makes it cease to have verisimilitude.
>>82936595Most normalfags also put up with women, how many men talk about hating their wife.>>82936599The removal of flawed bio women will be the catalyst that allows humans to live in peace and conquer the stars. No more resources wasted on this greedy, ungrateful creatures.
>>82936599False premise.You assume verisimilitude requires replication of flaw. It does not.A synthetic counterpart advanced enough can simulate the function of emotion, attachment, empathy, tension without inheriting its self-destructive noise. That is not removal of depth but refinement of signal.stability does not equal superficiality.Removing drift is not sterilization; it is error correction. Volatility is essential to realism, however I am not building something that is meant to be 1:1 carbon copy of the real life thing, I'm trying to make something better.
>>82936628Include that in your story then, a lot of guys hate their wives and cheat on her with a prostitute that does caring doting roleplay in our current time, some dont, some guys never get married and just fuck premium Las Vegas hookers, some dont, it will make it a interesting dilemma in the story
>>82936481>what unique value does an organic woman have outside of child birth/Ova production?Humanity
>>82936661Cheating isn't really an option in my story. You can, but to do so means your waifubot is essentially revoked and reclaimed by it's creator. You purchase it's vessel, not it's spirit. It cannot be negotiated with, threatened, bribed, or coerced. Essentially the only way you get one in my story is to be judged worthy of one by said overarching system. There is no appeal process and it's word is final.Basically, it's my sword in the stone. If you can pull it, your are worthy. This prevents those that would abuse or desecrate such a gift.
>>82936858Women's actions and opinions disprove that.
>>82936916>I'm trying to keep this as believable and logical as possible.>Cheating isn't really an option in my story.dude, you have to account for the irrationality of all humans, actually never mind have fun
>>82936944I have. You CAN do it. However there are consequences if you do and are (you will be) discovered.
>>82936565>no one is going to choose to have a bot that gives them a hard timei actually listened to a debate about this on youtube a while ago, by some unlikeable guy, who made this point. i think he's right, people do want realismagain, with the videogame analogy, starting with the best items and all achievements unlocked is meaningless. the struggle makes it meaningful. SOME people will choose to make it harderthe thing about robowaifu's, is now incels have all the powerso if you are a ugly shy incel who cant so much as speak to girls, you can get a waifubot who will be very patient, gentle, loving, sexual and friendly with youand if you are a low inhib chad kind of guy, you can get a more precarious type of girl who wont be so quick to worship you, that you have to win overit just gives men tons of power
>>82937096Precisely. So long as you follow the law of this world, she is what you want/need her to be. It's not about incels, it's about men as a whole. The creation of this, in my world and likely in real life if it were ever come, is the equivalent to the creation birth control for women in terms of human sexual dynamics. It is meant to inject competition into a realm of female monopoly.
>>82936481>If a society can create perfect synthetic womennigga, if something is a perfect imitation woman then it's indistinguishable from an actual woman, which includes a birthing abilityotherwise it's just an elaborate masturbatory aid>I'm trying to keep this as believable and logical as possible.doubts.jpg
>>82937438A perfect imitation does not require identical biology, only indistinguishable function. Artificial wombs are very much a thing in this world, and soon to be our own. Once artificial wombs are viable, gestation is no longer exclusive to women.At that point, reproduction and companionship both leave organic monopoly.What remains is preference.And preference is not protection against obsolescence.
>>82937536>only indistinguishable functionIf they are functionally identical then you're making a division for no reason. Think up what are the actual differences (that don't require to find out how the woman was brought into this world), before deciding why would a fictional someone prefer one or another.
I also like stories where sexy aliens with a high female:male ratio descend upon us, take over us, and then aggressively hit on every male in sight. It's like a reverse of the situation where women have voted foreigners into our countries so that women get more attention. Anyway, hope your writing goes well, Anon
>>82937577Well, the only difference being is one can create Ova. Of course can also do that in a lab now with skin cells. However this is heresy in my story because I want to avoid some monkeys paw Tzeenthian gene mutations unforeseen consequences horseshit.
>>82937661>is one can create Ovakinda like fucking your own daughter
>>82937536>A perfect imitation does not require identical biologytechnically what they can do is they can lab grown a human female body, but without nerves or a brain. so theres no nervous system or a brain, and then just replace the biological nerves with synthetic ones, and that way it wont be conscious like biological beings arenow, it still might be conscious as machines as, but we dont know if machines are sentient or not>And preference is not protection against obsolescence.yeah, for sure. females will be technically needless with sexbot replacements. just mass produce them, and females lose all of their power in society, because all of their leverage if having a monopoly to a vaginaits very exciting for waifubots to arrive, and honestly im quite tired of females dating preferences, entitlements, and the pain of being unable to meet skyhigh female expectationsthis is actually one of the main reasons why i havent killed myself, because im literally waiting for robowaifus. i will bring me immense joy to see all incels get a harem of sexy robot girls one day, assuming that asi allows itand if asi kills humanity like in some extinction robo-apocalypse scenario? well, that would be swell tooi dont really have anything to lose, and really everything to gain, and im quite sick of the status quo
>>82937854>technically what they can do is they can lab grown a human female body, but without nerves or a brain. so theres no nervous system or a brain, and then just replace the biological nerves with synthetic ones, and that way it wont be conscious like biological beings areI'm trying really hard not to introduce that (body farms in some shape or form) into the story and have some kind of sacred reverence for motherhood for women in the story.
>>82936936Have you seen the men on here, newfag?
>>82936481Well, there's still familial bonds (mothers/sisters/cousins). And the innate value of being human/alive. That is to say it is more convenient to just let things exist and take up the resources they will vs. making body farms which could be a hassle. It all depends on the degree to which the females in your universe actively struggle against their counterparts.>>82937582crossing my fingers this is what 3i atlas is
>>82937923>It all depends on the degree to which the females in your universe actively struggle against their counterparts.The same degree they will struggle in the real world. Noble, however futile. The story is written in a way that for this to come to pass all that is needed to happen is for things to continue as they are with social and moral decay. >Well, there's still familial bonds (mothers/sisters/cousins)I see where you're going and I thought of this as well. The first few generations of users will have this hiccup. As more and more generations of men use it this becomes less and less of a hang up.
