Genuinely curious to hear both male and female perspectives here.
>>82977826Realistically within existing political framework? You can't. System is destined to violently fall because of demographic unsustainability.
>>82977826just massacre all men and women
>fix>implying it's broken>implying man and woman have ever coexisted peacefullyThe human experience is a prank bro. You are here to suffer.
If you become enlightened benevolent dictator of the West there are options, but such scenario is fantasy.
>>82977882Unsustainable situation is indeed broken.
>>82977902Did the prior situation sustain? Has any machination of man's creation ever endured past the limits of his folly? Will the next?
Give me my foreskin back or take away something of theirs
>>82977930>Did the prior situation sustainWell human civilization sustained for thousands years.
Total annihilation is the only way.
>>82977826reduce foids to a status below property
>>82977941And in that time cultures and empires have continuously fallen and been rebuilt. There is no sustained peace, only the singular thread of ongoing power struggle.
>>82977982And current gender culture is on its way out.
>>82977826Unironically?We need to have a tradition in high school where for one day in 11th or 12th grade everyone goes to school dressed as the opposite sex, with appropriate clothes and pronouns. It would fix a lot of bitterness women have for men and men have for women if everyone had a small amount of experience in the shoes of the other half.But obviously you could never do something like this in the current political environment because muh trans, muh grooming. I don't even care how you feel about trannies but I legit think everyone should experience living as the opposite sex at least once and everyone would be healthier and more empathetic for it.
>>82978057You're so real for this, actually.
>>82977880Strategic trvke
>>82978057How do you 'dress' as the other gender if you're a gender abolitionist? Dumbass
>>82977826Bring sharia law to america
>>82978099They never said anything about being a gender abolitionist.
>>82978099If you're nonbinary they just ask you if you're more of a Kris from Deltarune or a Fang from Goodbye Volcano High.
>>82978057I doubt one day of pretending to be the opposite sex in high school is going to fix much deeper economic, political and social problems, but I do agree we need a way to increase women's empathy towards men in particular>>82978094>You're so real for this, actually.Lol, you'll deny it either way but I'm like 90% sure you're a foid
>>82977826I don't think it's possible. The divide exists because of innate differences in mating strategies, and now that A) women have already tasted freedom, and B) the internet exists, so you can't keep people ignorant anymore, there's no way to go back to how it was in the past.Women hate Chad because he won't commit.Women hate betas because they're ugly/stupid/weak.Men hate women because women hate men.
>>82977826Let me rape women
>>82978241>I doubt one day of pretending to be the opposite sex in high school is going to fix much deeper economic, political and social problems, but I do agree we need a way to increase women's empathy towards men in particularMaybe make it last a week?Women would be much less bitter towards and more understanding of men if every woman had to experience first-hand being treated like a potential creep by every person you meet and having people make fun of you for showing any emotion and never helping you with anything.
>>82978057>>82978272This would never work. The way people treat a particular sex is automatic and instinctive, and you won't start looking like a member of the opposite sex just because you dress like one.
>>82978244>I don't think it's possible... now that A) women have already tasted freedomThat freedom could be revoked overnight if enough men wanted that so I don't find this point compelling.>Women hate betas because they're ugly/stupid/weak.IMO this is just a by-product of a society increasingly geared towards women at men's expense, not some kind of intrinsic inferiority on the part of "betas"
>>829778261) Ban dating apps2) Ban Instagram/TikTok genderwar slop contentit's literally that easy
>>82977826What's wrong with them exactly?Both sides screech at me at the same time about issues which are completely opposite(men having too much power/women having too much power), yet everything seems to function fine in real life outside the internet so I'm unsure what issues you're referring to here.
>>82978344>yet everything seems to function fine in real life outside the internet so I'm unsure what issues you're referring to here.There's that empathy gap again
>>82978057dumbest shit i've read in a long time>>82978094>You're so realcommunicate with your adult words, zoom zoom>>82978130they heavily implied it but you missed that because you have no ability to infer meaning or an IQ above 85
>>82977826genetic engineering to remove female hypergamyor just replicate male homosexuality in their brains, idk(you could to it the other way, and make males hypergamous lesbians in male bodies, but that would cause birth rates to plummet even further)
>>82978344>yet everything seems to function fine in real lifeMeanwhile, real life
>>82977826you dont. they dont need your kind no more. turdworlders are cheaper and easier to manipulate.
>>82977826Ban women from education past high school and from all paid labor.
>>82978562>and from all paid labor.I propose compromise solution: women can work but their pay goes to her male guardian (husband, father, brother, whoever currently has such status).
>>82978736Fuck no, this would only encourage exploitation and resentment, and downward wage pressure on men.
>ban all porn and nsfw content (no more loser gooners, no more women seeing men's true nature)>ban showing your face online (no ewhores)>mandatory etiquette and finishing school classes for both sexes (especially for zoomers)>sex segregated public spaces like gyms, drs offices, schools, and grocery stores (if women feel safe they won't feel any anger or apprehension towards men)>normalize soft arranged marriages (they have a big roster they can choose from and date platonically)>ban premarital sexIs this extreme? Yes. But it's better than the free for all circus that encourages the worst parts of both sexes. Either Christianity or Islam can achieve this.
>>82978057Anon this isn't effective or even feasible in the real world.There are much deeper institutional problems the drive men and women apart.Also how on earth would you implement this IRL? Having boys dress and act like girls and vice versa isn't going to do anything when they are still biologically unchanged. Everybody will still recognize each other as previously male/female.The only way this would be even somewhat feasible would be as something akin to ready player one.
>>82977826People who are actually mature and not retarded have no problem getting into and maintaining a healthy relationship. The problem is two of those people actually finding each other.The world is full of idiots and its just more obvious these days. If so many people weren't so stupid then we wouldn't have to fix these problems for others cause individuals will do it themselves.
>>82978057I've done this, actually. I've lived as both genders, but for the reason of proving the "grass is greener" theory wrong.Its the exact same amount of hard/easy just in different areas.No gender has it harder or easier than the other, that only ranges from individual to individual. I've been saying this shit from day one and everyone is too bitter to listen.
Who the fuck is "WE".I didn't do shit and it ain't my responsibility to fix shit. I have long past giving a rat's ass about " relations between the sexes in the Western World" over a decade or more ago. It's not my problem. It has never been my problem. It will never be my problem. Everybody else wants something for nothing. To try to trick others into getting something for nothing. That shit will never stop so everybody will continue to be shit to each other trying to get one over on each other. It isn't a "relations between sexes" issue. It's a people are shit in general issue. People will never not generally be shit so just deal with it, or don't. If society as a whole burns I will roast marshmallows on the embers.
>>82977826slavery of anyone earning below 100k salary.FTR, I have never earned more than 50k in a year.
>>82980095You didn't pass (trannies never pass) so you don't actually know what it's like to be a woman.>>82980156Based?
>>82980169I did and still do and I'm also not transgender. i got lucky with runt genes so I look pretty androgynous and its easy to switch
>>82979738>no more loser goonersdo you know what an imagination is?
>>82977826Total human extinction. No more relationship issues between the sexes if they are both gone.
>>82977826I think you could solve it like this:1. solve the divorce problem or eliminate secular marriage entirely2. institute regulation regarding rape accusation. Going through with it, the aggressor or the accuser WILL be punished. False accusation is not something you just hand wave away in the current day and age.3. ban e whoring and porn (or at least make it non-monetizable)4. legalize prostitution. Working girls must be licensed and tested for STDs regularly to remain licensed.
>>82977826You don't "fix" gender relationsToday's world:Women have freedom. They find most men repulsive and therefore do no associate with them (other than for betabux arrangements). This leads most men to be resentful.In the past:Women had less freedom. They were still Chadsexual but were forced to marry guys they weren't attracted to, making them miserable.The fundamental issue is biological imbalance in attraction. Most males find most fertile females attractive, most fertile females find most males their age unattractive. You can't fix that with meme kumbaya policies. You either favor one side or the other.
I unironically believe that 90% of the issue is dating apps. Women have a never ending conveyor belt of handsome fuckboys pretending to be good guys to fuck them that sour them on all men and they end up bitter and aging out of normal dating range with loads of baggage and trust issues. Decent men that aren't handsome or charismatic enough get lumped under "all men are shit" label from women who have been burned over and over again on dating apps and end up aging out of normal dating range bitter and lonely. Some dating app fuckboys settle down, but their brains are still in the "I am a fucking chad with endless options" mode so their relationships often end up crumbling.The best thing that could happen would be a collective rejection of dating apps, but I believe human psychology makes that impossible. We're just fucked, and as an individual all you can do is to do your best to meet as many people offline as possible and hope you get lucky enough to find somebody else that hasn't been poisoned by them.
we should start from men being less violent and primitive
>>82980360Really recycling this bait every chance you get.
>>82980254Ironically the issue will fix itself given enough time. Now that the genetic dregs don't have a chance of reproducing via force/coercion, the population (white people, let's be honest) will go through a few generations of low population, clean out the uglies/schizos/druggies, and stable out again so most people marry and have children. True incels will become super rare.
>>82980321>pretending to be good guysYeah, because that's what women select for when looking for some dick from Chad, whether or not he's a moral and upright contributing citizen, lel.
>>82977826there's nothing to fix, women have always despised men and will continue to do so. It's their nature, it's what feels right for them.
>>82979738>>normalize soft arranged marriages (they have a big roster they can choose from and date platonically)>>ban premarital sexThis is still a system that doesn't work for 80% of men because 1.no woman would willingly date them 2. they'll inevitably lose their virginity to a guy they want to tie down thinking he hasn't deflowered 20 women already. So all that other puritan shit is useless so long as there's the alpha/beta divide among men and women are selectors.
>>82977826Here are things that permanently doom the west:1. giving women the right to vote2. abortion being legal3. no moral laws like stoning for adultery and whippings for fornication4. welfareGet rid of those four things and everything will be fixed.
>>82980829>Ironically the issue will fix itself given enough time.Depends on what you mean by fixing. It will of course stabilize because the logistics of reproduction will favor women who are more selfish than they are hostile towards men, but that's about as far it will go. They will never "learn" to love males. I mean just stop for a second to try and comprehend how ridiculous that idea is, learning to love something.
>>82980829I'm not saying this to be dramatic, but this just means Muslims and maybe Mennonites and Mormons will inherit the earth. While white people are filtering the "dregs" arabs are still raping their wives and shit.
