I've never personally found any argument against suicide that really convinces me. The more philosophy I read, the more many common objections seem based on instinct or emotion rather than careful reasoning. When people call suicide "murder" or "unnatural" they often ignore that a right to life should also include the right to give it up, and that nature itself isn't a moral authority. If it were, we wouldn't use medicine to prevent or delay natural deaths. The claim that suicide is selfish also feels very one-sided. It can just as easily be seen as selfish to expect someone to keep living with unbearable mental or physical suffering simply so others don't have to feel grief. None of us chose to be born, and being stuck in a life that has become intolerable is a tragedy, not a moral failure. I think society has a strong optimism bias that makes people assume life is better than it really is for everyone. When someone experiences life mainly as a heavy burden, ending their life can be a rational way to take back control over something they never chose.
>>83504385If you're dead, you can't read philosophy.
>>83504397You also won't be alive to experience that loss
yea god hates suicide and if you do it you go to hell its one of the worst sins and so is being a faggot
>>83504385It is not us who must convince you. You must convince yourself.
>>83504446Well, maybe you could practice being dead by reading less philosophy. In fact, this post is getting rather philosophical. Better just shut your eyes and hum to yourself. Not too philosophically, though.
>>83504385You fuck loved ones up, that's the main one? Otherwise? Yeah, there's nothing binding you ultimately. It mostly depends on how stimulating your lived experience is, for whether it's worth to keep living for those feelings or not. Maybe there's something that still fills you and gives you some dopamine spikes worth sticking around for, or maybe you're sticking around "for those who come after" if you happen to have a child. It's hard for me to find a good answer given my anhedonia, lack of motivation, lack of purpose and being so depressed I stayed in bed for the past 2 months.
>>83504489>hum to yourself. Not too philosophically, though.No "Hmm!"s allowed
>>83504496>You fuck loved ones up, that's the main one?What if the reason you're suicidal is because your "loved ones" fucked you up?
I have met many people who one time wished to die, and when they eventually were able to confront their problems, they were glad they didn't die. That's enough.
>>83504447Not in the Bible. Saul and Samson kill themselves in the OT and aren't damned.
>>83504591Have you ever met anyone who wished to die since they were a child and still did decades later?
Nope it's objectively moral considering this horrific nightmare reality you're forced to exist inIt's hilarious religitards say it is a mortal sin against some deity when suicide is the most obvious evidence that the creator sinned against humanity instead. Imagine creating a universe so awful, sentient beings would rather kill themselves than keep going
>>83504447cope christcuck
>>83504603>aren't damned.Source? :^)
I have to at least try to outlive anyone who might have contributed to my feeling that way. It's mostly fear of the unknown and spite that keeps me going.
>>83504603Yeah but they didn't kill themselves because they were sad
>>83504385death is not permanent. if consciousness emerged once, it will emerge again. you cannot perceive time when unconscious or dead, it's as if it passes infinitely quickly. so when you die, it's just like when you go to sleep: to your perspective, time just sped up to the moment you wake up, so it will speed up once you die to the moment you're conscious in another way shape or form. this means that death can lead to a worse life than the one you already have: your next consciousness could be an animal that dies in tragic fashion, or a somehow worse human life. sure, your next consciousness has no connection to the previous one and has no past memories, but it's better to work with what we got now than gamble on a future existence that most likely will be even worse than the one you currently have.
you'll fuck up your loved ones real bad, and you'll plunge yourself into the unknown, if any kind of spiritual afterlife is real, suicide usually earns you a bad spot>they often ignore that a right to life should also include the right to give it up, and that nature itself isn't a moral authoritythe argument here is that a depressed person does not see things clearly to judge. when you're depressed you might think otherwise, but things are probably not as bad as your brain makes them out to be. this is also why people are unreasonably optimistic; depression itself is unreasonable, so people combat your overly negative perspective with an overly positive perspectiveif you're going to kill yourself, simply submit yourself to medical help instead, properly
>>83504813>a future existence that most likely will be even worse than the one you currently have.Why would it be worse? It most likely will be better, actually.
>>83504813>it's better to work with what we got now than gamble on a future existence that most likely will be even worseThis is a good point. Imagine you wake up 30 years from now as a newborn Pakistani Muslim girl.
>>83504660Saul is told by Samuel's spirit that he will be "with me". If Saul were damned then he wouldn't go to be with a prophet of God. Samuel is also listed among the faithful in the NT, along with Samson.
>>83504862looking at the track record of nature being a constant flux of suffering and struggle, your chances of being born in a worse life or just as bad of a life are huge. there's also no guarantee that you'll be born a human being, or an intelligent lifeform for that matter. you're making an assumption about a potential next life, but you don't have to make assumptions about this life. you know what your suffering and struggle is, better to stay in it and somehow worm your way out of it than to take on another form of suffering and struggle.>>83504874>wake up 30 years from now as a newborn Pakistani Muslim girl.some especially messed up parts of the world would actually consider that being lucky.
>>83504881If Samuel could be summoned by a witch, that means that he was not in heaven thoughbeit because if you're chilling with God then a witch can't just yoink you out of heaven.
Do you really want Jews to outlive you
>>83504904Hmmm maybe Samuel took Saul to hell before going to heaven himself
Just wait for the world to break you till you can't take anymore, and even then you'll find reserves to carry on. It's a truth about our species, we will preservere despite all this meaninglessness and suffering. We're just built to survive, despite logically understanding that it's all bullshit copes we create. It would be nice to have an all powerful parent figure looking after us, but all we have in reality is each other. And whatever we do affects others in their suffering, try not to add to it. But I understand people who do kill themselves, and I wished they didn't suffer as they did.
>>83504904>If Samuel could be summoned by a witch, that means that he was not in heavenThen you have to deal with how a faithful prophet ended up in Hell, and also that the NT is wrong about him and Samson. Jesus literally talks about the unforgivable sin in the NT and it has nothing to do with suicide.
>>83505054Maybe he hadn't gone anywhere yet, or maybe he was haunting the women's restroom
>>83504813>lays his head down and seems to wake instantaneously the following dayDo brown people not have dreams or something? Kek
>>83504447what the fuck does god even care, the absence of god is why most of us rope
>>83504606why as a child? how does that thought even enter the child's mind?
>>83505103Trauma or retained energetic patterns from past lives.
>>83505103some children are existentially sensitive and think about life and death a lot
>>83504385If you commit mahjong you can no longer post on 4chan.
>>83504385>I've never personally found any argument against suicide that really convinces me.the fact that you haven't done it yet is already the argument that convinces you
