I don't think solipsism is a useless line of questioning. I've thought about it for ten years now. The only thing I feel sure of at this point is solipsism and determinism cannot both be true.
>>84225614brother i know that this erudite MO that paints your inner world is really gratifying and stimulating, but the type of person this will turn you into is surrounded by nothing but fat bitchesi'm talking stinky fat buzzcut fat bitches, nasty frontbutt mutants.just be careful what you put in the noggin chief
>>84225625Why would fat bitches be into this? Maybe I should have spent ten years thinking about how to have sex with sexy sluts.
>>84225614Solipsism is genuinely retarded. That will be all, lieutenant.
>>84225645there seems to be this recurring response to the idea where they just call it really stupid and childish almost like if they're afraid of the concept or reject it without thinking,
>>84225645You experience it nightly in your dreams.
>>84225638If reality is only generated by one mind and they perceive that mind to be theirs, then it's OK to be fat and ugly because nothing else is fucking real anyways
>>84225638they aren't, but all the dorks that are into this type of thing are only capable of pulling fat bitches. can't get so stuck in your own thoughts that you forget to see the big picture.my mind's eye simply cannot picture an uglier sow than one matching the descriptor "philosophy nerd's gf"
>>84225614After 10 years of thinking, this is all you have to say about it? I've always found it ironic that people adopt the 'the external world and other minds cannot be known, and therefore don't exist' thinking when the thought came from another mind to begin with. Perhaps you are a reincarnation of Descartes.
>>84225656I do think it's stupid and childish. Only a stupid child thinks that they are the center of the world and that everyone else is an NPC. Is this your roundabout way of telling me you're a child, or at least as mentally developed as one?>>84225660We're talking about solipsism, not your mom. And those were no dreams.
>>84225677It's simple. A child can grasp it. That's what makes it interesting. The logical twists and turns take years to navigate. I genuinely believe it is the foremost question anyone should ask. If they're cold enough. To look into your mother's eyes and wonder if there is nothing behind them, and to realise you can't know.
>>84225683Holy fuck, if it's a childish perspective that's it, it's a childish perspective, flat out. Why are you trying so hard to validate solipsism when it's clearly, evidently, objectively incorrect? >I genuinely believe it is the foremost question anyone should ask. If they're cold enough. To look into your mother's eyes and wonder if there is nothing behind them, and to realise you can't know.This is just stupid and has nothing to do with what you're describing.
>>84225683>>84225687The Christian perspective is that solipsism is correct and Jesus is the guy who thinks reality into existence :^)
>>84225695You're so stupid it hurts wilted rose emoji crying laughing face emoji
>>84225677Oh, I see, you're too stupid to understand what an epistemological question is.
>>84225709Oh, I see, you're so stupid you believe in dated ideologies dreamt up by crackpots because it vindicates your internal vulnerable narcissism.Yes, if you're the only cognizant human on earth, it's no surprise we're doomed. Thanks a lot you dumb fucking asshole!
>>84225703Can you say why I'm stupid, or is this merely baseless ad-hom? :^)
>>84225727you're really blabbering a lot when>i didnt claim to believe it>you claimed it's objectively false when that's not how epistemological / unprovable questions work>you're claiming others are childish while making "your mom" refutesand you're responding really fast too. seems like you're personally stricken by the idea or something. cringe
>>84225733>Durrr I am the only person who thinks and has a soul durrrExplain to me how that isn't completely retarded, my good imbecile.>>84225743Ha, I've responded in brief. Seems like you make larping pseud bait posts because your microdick is even less competent than your non-functional brain.
>>84225753im pretty sure anyone reading this will realize you're coming across as defensive and offended.
>>84225614Solipsism is the mindset of psychopaths, and society selects for psychopaths along the lines of financual and sexual success
>>84225753>I am the only person who thinks and has a soulI didn't say that. I said that Jesus is the only one whose perspective creates reality. It's solipsism, but I'm not the solipsist. I'm just dust in the wind.
>>84225759I'm pretty sure anyone with an IQ of over 120 reading this will see how fucking dumb you are and how you're just using that to try to somehow reinforce your retarded ideal, which it does not.>>84225767Lmfao okay.
>>84225779A large brain has room to consider concepts with which it disagrees.
>>84225779Again, i didn't even claim to believe it. You clearly have a nerve stricken, and you wont stop because babyrage
>>84225614>solipsism and determinism cannot both be true.Why though?
when did the meta for ragebait threads shift from girls to intellectual debate
>>84225817IQ test captcha
>>84225790But, of course! I consider it fucking retarded :D>>84225799You clearly believe in it full heartedly, and that's fine, but just admit you're fucking dumb, man. It's okay. You're in a safe place for solipsistic retards because... It's only Le You
>>84225850>fucking retarded :DThat's not a line of thought, Anonymous. That is a feeling. An actual consideration would break down the claims into predicates and then create a truth table. If you haven't crunched the Boolean logic using set theory, you're being intellectually dishonest.
>>84225866Hmmm, okay, let's break down these stupid fucking claims, then!>Solipsism is the philosophical theory that only one's own mind is sure to exist, rendering external reality and other minds uncertain or non-existentNow here's the kicker that dumbasses like you can't seem to get: somebody ELSE came up with that! Crazy, right? Some "uncertain variable that may or may not actually exist and/or is a projection of my psyche" came up with that, not your dumb narcissistic ass.I'm here for the memorial for faggot solipsist's brain cells, am I in the right place?
>>84225887I fully expected you to be incapable of understanding what I said, so I did your homework for you.Solipsism can only be false if any of these hold true:1. You don't exist (or your mind doesn't exist)If your mind doesn't exist, the whole thing collapses immediately.2. You're not certain that your own mind existsEven if your mind exists, but you lack certainty about it, the claim fails.3. The external world exists and you know it existsThis contradicts the solipsist constraint; solipsism requires that external reality is not knowable.4. Other minds exist and you know they existSame idea; if you genuinely know other minds exist, solipsism is false.Everything else about solipsism is logically consistent.
>>84225904Maybe that's the difference between you and me, Morty.
>>84225916Let's assume that the Cartesian argument "Cogito ergo sum." That eliminates the first two items.Can you prove that either the external world or other minds exist?
>>84225918I can only prove how deep your head is up your own ass, and baby, it's like one of those infinitely expanding tunnels of asshole. Except it's not full of shit, it's full of solipsism haha high five
>>84225938If you can't prove that anything exists outside of your own mind, then the solipsists win.
>>84225800Determinism isn't incompatible with solipsism, but it does make the claims unreasonably complex."Yes, I generate an entire reality with my mind with laws from which I cannot deviate. I do this to myself for reasons."
>>84225949>I don't have things in my environment that I can interact with that assist me in my daily living specifically crafted/catered to my means
>>84226098Yet you experience those things through your mind, and so they do not disprove solipsism but rather make the claims more complex, though not inconsistent.
>>84225614>The only thing I feel sure of at this point is solipsism and determinism cannot both be true.Why not?
>>84226119No, stupid fucker, I experience those things through my nerve endings long before my mind. Those things are real. Touch a hot kettle and tell me it couldn't possibly be real. Dumbest shit ever>Uh you only think it's real because your mind says soThat's retarded.
This is the greatest pseud standpoint possible because you can always back yourself into a corner with circular logic and never leave it.
>>84226145>Touch a hot kettle and tell me it couldn't possibly be real.I can touch a hot kettle and not be burned if I use gloves. Checkmate.
>>84225904I think the very idea of a logical constraint contradicts #3 since it exists independently of the mind as a metaphysical necessity.
>>84226160>If I use an item that is>>specifically crafted/catered to my means>I can interact safely with another itemdoesn't real thoughever
>>84225614Even if you hold that its true, you cant really prove reality dont exist or exist only in your mind ( so yiu live in a self made simulation). As can be proven (historicaly and culturaly), that even when reality its true, perception and valuation of it vary between cultures and even between individuals. In this context you can create your own pwespective and values, thou you are allways influenced by surroundings. The question of fatties is also not about solipsism but relativism. Fatty is as she is, but it depends on perception how she will be valued.
If you take 5-htp before bed you can have out of body experiences and sleep paralysis of other people present and aware of you while you lay down and wake up from REM sleepPeople have soul bodys that can shapeshift and manipulate this paracosm state of being with supernatural beings. You can be "harmed" in this state, so you are vulnerable.You can even use technology in this state where phantom computers and other astral implements become functional replicas of their real world counterparts.Solipsism is fake and there's more to reality than what is mundane and solely subjective. Determinism is also a a weird one cause in the spiritual state incorporeal being can go from "watching" to manifesting themselves as a corporeal being with a full body. So a brain is not required for thought.
>>84226188Fool that you are, it is impossible to actually touch anything because the electron shells of atoms repel everything within a few angstroms of each other :^)*finger directly on ur forehead*im not touching u,im not tooooouching u
>>84226442>because things don't touch they don't actually existI'm going to rearrange the atoms of ya face
It's entirely possible that solipsism is true, just like it's possible that god is real, or god isn't real. You could be hooked up to an advanced machine in space prison to pay for your crimes, or as a rehabilitation program. None of this is provable or falsifiable.
>>84226447Indeed, you've already arranged them into a smile.
are there any robots here who are rationalists?
>>84226457Well, you can't do everything empirically. The theory of relativity wouldn't exist without rationalism.
>>84225990it just means your mind follows the law of logics
>>84226735It is the Christian belief that you may disregard the laws if you get permission from Jesus. Be careful not to mix up Jesus with a demon.
