Im having trouble understanding what exactly autism is. With other conditions or mental illness, like schizophrenia for example, I can easily explain and understand what it is. Ive learned that the word autism basically means selfism, but I still dont get the general theme of autism. How would you describe it or sum it up?
>>84246813>general theme of autismimpairment in social communication and interactionrestrictive and repetitive behaviour, interest and activitiesalso usually some developmental delay
>>84246813>like schizophrenia for exampleGo on then OP, explain what schizophrenia is and if you have to google or chatgpt then please share.
>>84246843delusion, hallucination, pattern recognition cranked up to a million
>>84246867>delusion, hallucination, pattern recognition cranked up to a millionAlmost, you need only two symptoms to get diagnosed. One or more symptom has to be one of these three.>Delusions>Hallucinations>Disorganized speechSecond symptom (or third etc) can be>Disorganized or catatonic behavior>Reduced emotional expression>Lack of motivationYou need to have 1 major symptom for 1 month and have a lifestyle decline for 6 months in order to be diagnosed with schizophrenia.
I don't get the social aspect of autism. Social skills are skills and can be learned and improved . I have autistic friends that learned social skills and I'd consider more quirky than autistic.
>>84246813Autism honestly is just more broad than it should be and is useless as a term.
>>84246935>Social skills are skills and can be learned and improved .Not entirely, i've tried. I'm incapable of lying, just straight incapable. I can't play poker, I can't keep secrets, i forget i'm supposed to keep it secret etc.
>>84246935Normal people don't need to learn basic social skills. Spergs have to force themselves to make eye contact lol.
>>84246962I still can't force myself to use people's names in conversation and cringe HARD whenever someone says my name. I usually ask folks to use a nickname instead of my legal name because my brain goes haywire when i hear it. Normalfags cannot even imagine how debilitating the 'tism is
>>84246962>>84246953>>84246972Yes and through forcing themselves they get over it. Self proclaimed autists have zero accountability. I was diagnosed autistic sperg growing up and I had to force myself to get over it. I have a core memory of going into the GATE class and seeing the spergs being looked at like puppies by the teacher and I knew from then I didn't want to be an animal without self control.
>>84246935their default mode is talking in a very self absorbed way. they like to just go on monologues that no one wants to hear. they struggle with follow up questions and they will constantly talk about themselves and their special interests. they dont understand nor care that thats not how communication works, theyre more interested in basically just jerking themselves off conversationally
>>84246843>what schizophrenia ismissing/improperly developed boundary between self and other
>>84247011So narcissist with childlike tendencies?
>exactly autism isNothing, a made up term to make stupid cattle believe they're specialWorked like a charm as you can see
>>84246813"Auto" from ancient Greek "self" and "Ismos" likewise "state of being".A wide array of conditions of varied causes with genetic contributing factors, developmental factors (such as viral infection during first trimester leading to halt in growth, evidenced by unique fractal microscopic crystallization patterns in the lenses of the eyes) and environmental factors. High heritability. Vaguely associated with Neanderthal ancestry. Bias toward MDD and seasonal affective disorders associated with the "sentinel hypothesis" regarding northern human clades during glaciation which remained isolated in refuges enough to drift genetically from Sapiens, but being re-merged as part of the Homo syngameon over the past ten rapid glaciation cycles.Associated with the rapid development of modern human phenotypes and clades once glaciation cycles were extended to periods of ~115k years average in a chaotic multiple-feedback non-linear dynamical relaxation oscillation of Earth's climate. Coincides with the appearance of modern Sapiens and other modern sub-clades of the genus-syngameon Homo."Pseudo-clade" and "sub-clade" are often used to describe syngameon clade-like groups which remain sexually compatible but do not diverge far enough, with cyclic or regular mixing between geographic isolates rather than complete isolation leading to full speciation. With glaciation cycles sea level has regularly dropped and remained for the majority of the cycles (>~80%) at up to 125 meters below modern sea level. During the interglacial period the sea is at maximal height, whereas this lasts ~15 - 35k years while a complete cycle ranges between 30k and 180k years with an average near approximately 100k - 115k over the past ten cycles. During these periods, fertile habitable land area increases by up to +60% compared to habitable regions of the Earth during the interglacial. The primary evidence of human ancestors lies on the continental shelves prior to meltwater pulse B.
Autism is the male's scapegoat for being a selfish dickhead with little empathy and desire to adhere to social rules and courtesy, hence why they are usually so mean to women.
>>84248661This post was made by a dickless
>>84246992Cool story but you're just projecting that every autist is like you. I have no problem socializing but that has no impact on my dating life.>>84247431>>84248661Autism is real, you're just jealous and projecting for some reason. I have more empathy and sympathy than either of you and autists aren't mean to women.
>>84248682>>84248685>>84248682Admit it, you are rude to women , think they should cook for you, and you don't do your own dishes.
Primarily, taken as a wide-ranging gathering together of only vaguely associated parts and judged in name "self state of being" almost entirely during early childhood, we can state that a fair generalization is a unique worldview and high abstract (2nd or 3rd order), parallelized indefinite modes of thinking in place of linear concrete "single most probable" thinking strategies.In this light the sense may be that individuals who think in this manner are difficult for individuals without this mode of thinking to anticipate, predict or understand. It can therefore be described as an alternative worldview, philosophy, mode of thinking and foundational bias set.Multiple persons with this capability however demonstrate higher emotional and social communication rates, higher informational density and comprehension across a variety of scales beyond the capability of your average human.
>>84246813Neurological tunnel vission, basically. That's why autistic people are so strong at ressolving linear tasks and can tank hours or days at working in single things. For some people at the extreme of the spectrum,this tunnel vission is so tight that some essential bodily functions like breathing or blinking can be interrupted because of a task they're resolvinghttps://reframingautism.org.au/monotropism-understanding-autistic-ways-of-being-through-the-lens-of-attention/
>>84248713>Admit it, you are rude to women , think they should cook for you, and you don't do your own dishes.I cook for my whole family, half of them are women. I cook for my siblings gfs and wives/husbands too. My sister was a stripper and I don't think she was a whore or lesser for it.My sisters ex can get fucked because he doesn't care about my nephew as he's autistic, but my brothers ex I helped move and set her house up.cope and seethe, i'm a nice guy and you don't know what autism is
>>84248713Sorry smoothcrotch, I just think they don't have a dick and can't fuck
>>84248729>Neurological tunnel vission, basically.This is false. In general ASD is associated with extreme sensitivity and emotional overreactions to distracting factors or loss of control. For example a common childhood trait used in the DSM-5 diagnostic criteria is arrangement of objects into rows, in an arbitrary manner from the perspective of an observer. Upon interference with the objects arranged by the subject by the observer, the subject becomes emotionally distraught and no recovery is possible regardless of whether the objects are replaced precisely as they were prior to the interference.It can be concluded that the interference itself is the offending factor, not the consequence of that interference.This hyper-sensitivity is obviously something you need to explain at the same time as "tunnel vision" which is clearly the opposite. Your model needs to account for both of these and many other factors all at once to be valid.
>>84248931>be playing with toys>neatly order them>some asshole rearranges them for lolsYou'd be upset at interference too, imagine someone comes into your garage and rearranges all your tools after you ordered them. I bet you'd be fucking furious.
social skills this social skills that, most people with Aspergers I meet are more social and charming and outgoing than I could dream of beingt. diagnosed schizoid
>>84248728>we can state that a fair generalization is a unique worldview and high abstract (2nd or 3rd order), parallelized indefinite modes of thinking in place of linear concrete "single most probable" thinking strategies.the avg autist has an iq around 80-90 thoeverbeit
>>84248959>You'd be upset at interference too, imagine someone comes into your garage and rearranges all your tools after you ordered them. I bet you'd be fucking furious.Not really, which is primarily why I don't qualify for ASD diagnosis under the DSM-5 diagnostic criteria.
>>84248963>the avg autist has an iq around 80-90 thoeverbeitThe average is 100, it's better to use sigma centered around zero. I'm +2.2
>>84248985Fake and gay and you know it. If someone rearranged all your tools for no reason, or all you cupboards, your wardrobe even, you'd be pissed. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.
>>84249032If someone rearranged your cock and balls and replaced that junk with ovaries and a vagina you'd be damn well delighted!You sitting there in the dark all day comfortable in your recliner listening to Lady Gaga and tweaking your nips.
Be careful listening to dubstep or Mr.Oizo, practice on a hotdog first so you don't rip your dick off.https://youtu.be/qmsbP13xu6k
>>84248931I'm not reducing autism to a single factor, or constructing a whole model to explain autism based on a single characteristic, anon, i'm just answering OP saying that monotropism seems to be a sort of a general thread that seems to pervade a lot of the autistic experience. Hyper-sensitivity is not necesarily contradicted with monotropism, because that's just the more pronounced inability to filter out different stimuli in the brain in the same way NTs do, in comparison to a cognitive style that hinders multitasking. The tandem of these conditions (if they can't be joined as a single phenomenon) explains why, for example, autistic people struggle with social interactions: They imply too many subtleties at the same time (microfacial signs, tone modulation, vocabulary used, slangs, idioms, inside jokes, etc etc) and the important bits of it often lies behind comparatively lots of noise in the channel, which normally you would have to learn to filter out.Regarding that focus on interference, i"m reading a paper on the matter and it throws an interesting concept which could be related to what you describe (Object Permanence) and it could be related to monotropism too because monotropism implies a neurological structure that makes switching between tasks and focus more difficult than normal. But i don't know, i'm not talking authoritatively because i'm not autistic myself but i've researched about the matter, so i don't have the "visceral" experience that would allow me to tie up all of this theorical research as neatly as someone who has lived it would dohttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12586063/
>>84248992>The average is 100That would just measure the avg amongst spergs, being the brightest of all retards will just make you slightly better than avg
>>84249102My point was, describing monotropism (which per se isn't valid either, but a slightly better misnomer approximating reality) as "tunnel-vision" is extremely inaccurate and misleading. Rather a better hypothesis is the sentinel hypothesis associated with northern tribes during glaciation that remained in isolated refugia like valleys. These people developed high vigilance, extreme focus on a single task (such as butchering a mammoth, or gathering wood and maintaining a fire) and high skill in crafting tools because this meant the difference between life or death. Whereas more equatorial temperate to semi-tropical human populations were not driven to such extremes where they required high skill, tight family units or tribes and would die out driven to extinction as populations further north were.The sentinel hypothesis is that a faction of the tribe is always awake, with no case were every member is unconscious. This allows survival, observation of threats or changes in the environment (such as movement of a prey herd) and maintenance of life sustaining fire during the winter.What we observe as symptoms of a disorder in modern society are simply due to the incompatibility with industrialization and everyone operating synchronously, which would have been disastrous during glaciation for northern populations.
>>84249120I know you're -1 sigma so I'm wasting my time, but you are misinformed and unaware of sampling bias associated with childhood ASD diagnosis. When I was 7 I was measured as having 89th percentile English vocabulary, grammar and spelling. I'm well aware that I am rare, which is why I immediately know your claims are false and misinformed. I always assume persons of my own intelligence are unsuitable as a middle baseline for human intelligence, but it is near impossible to find anyone smarter than I am. I'd love to exist in a world where I am stupid and constantly struggling to learn from those who are interesting and beyond my comprehension.Unfortunately I live in this reality instead.
>>84249233>I know you're -1 sigmaI'm a +3 ligma tho
>>84249248>I'm a +3 lima thookie dokie
>>84248685>you're just projecting that every autist is like youYeah any autist that is able to communicate and read my posts is like me. Capable of making their own decisions and capable of internal growth despite the difficulty. It's not an autism thing, it's a human thing to find it difficult to take accountability.
>>84246813Over-activation of neural pathways due to hormonal influence in utero that cooks up the brain in a slightly different wayIt's such a wide range from "kind of socially awkward" to "drooling and can't speak" because of the level of neuron overactivation, how aberrant the brain development gets
>>84249662Yeah but you're just projecting whatever social issues you had onto me when they're not the same. I never struggled to make friends in my life.
>>84246813For the vast majority of """high functioning""" cases the assburgers that can communicate back to you in semi-coherent sentences an excuse for acting like an asshole, nothing more. There is a good reason it used to be classified as a form of psychopathy.
>>84249679Good for you, if I'm 75% autistic, you're 50% and better than me. What's your point?
>>84249704>if I'm 75% autistic, you're 50% and better than me.Not what I said but let's follow it logically.>What's your point?Why can't you just train yourself to become 50% better like you suggest?
>>84249718>ifOriginally.
>>84249744>doesn't have an argumentAlmost as if everything you said was horseshit.
>>84249754OK so you're mad and larping itt.
>>84249773no i folded u like origami
Autism is what Rain Man hasLiterally 99% of people who consider themselves autistic or have been diagnosed as autistic simply lack normal cognitive ability due to excess screen use throughout their lives and a lack of socializing. The overstimulation of screens also conditions them to crave excessive stimulation at all times (hence the fidget toys and "stimming").Even the most counter-culture 4chan users don't seem ready to have this conversation but the future will prove me right.
>>84249797The retards itt weren't ready for this one.
>>84249797>99% of people who consider themselves autisticIt's literally an asshole pass to weasel out of putting in minimum effort and to force other people to accept their retarded, cringy, perverted, and worse antics. There's nothing wrong with these """people""" beyond extreme immaturity that their parents were too weak or stupid to beat out of them like every other generation in the past.
>>84250050>seething and bitter because i get to enjoy cars and train models while he only gets to enjoy beersHope the trade was worth it. I will stay "immature" forever with my models.
>>84250092You autistic faggots literally cannot keep to yourselves and your """hobbies""". Hell, staying inside alone and self-segregating would be an improvement, but unfortunately you still have access to the internet so you can still plot terrorism with your fellow assburgers.
>>84246813When I compare myself to normalfags, it seems like I am much more sensible to stuff than they are. How am I supposed to look into the others' eyes and stay on topic, when there's a whole history of their lives written on their faces. It's blinding me. As if someone's shouting into your ear when you want to listen to someone else. Normalfags feel as if their brains are covered with a thick hide that dials down any sense. To you, looking into each others' eyes might signal trust, but to me, this is what two Ogres would do. It's just chaotic and rough.And when I DO eventually look at them after being forcefully commanded to, they're all like 'damn he's staring right into my soul, how creepy'. They're just unaware of what it actually is. I'm literally knocking at their door through eye contact and they get spooked. What the fuck.
>>84246813its like a failure to neurologically develop beyond the initial sense of selfits beyond the inability to care for others, its more like they view themselves as god and become increasingly psychically distressed when reality proves that untrueand the related social and behavioral maldevelopment is mostly downstream of this
>>84247131Yes, but it varies in severity. I recognize I'm extremely self centered so I make up for it by trying to be better and being kind to people.I basically had my autism beaten out of me because it was sink or swim, adapt or die man
>>84246972I have that too. I have no idea where this comes from.I also really struggle to ask people questions about themselves, even when I care, because it feels like overstepping a line.
>>84246813Autism is an adapted trait. True wild humans are adhd and normal. Adhd traits helped us hunt animals and survive dangers. As humans moved from hunting and gather into farming, a new trait was needed because normal and adhd are not great for mindlessly farming all day.So autism was naturally selected for. Being autistic helped with farming. Why do you think autisms love stuff like mine craft and Stardew? It's literally how autism developed in the human genome. That is what autism is. It's the descendants of farming humans.
>>84247011I can't tell you how you feel about something.
The term has become applicable for too many people and behaviours, so it doesn't mean anything
>>84246867>Ignores the negative symptomsNah bro, you dumb.
>it's an excuse not to behavebros, we literally don't know what we're doing to upset you, because you refuse to tell us.Plus, you spend your entire lives seeking for minor differences in other people, so you can convince yourself you're superior to them. You're the one who's an asshole. I just want to enjoy my interests and say what my eyes see, and not be attacked for it.
>>84251518No, you do. You get told several times to cut whatever bullshit you're on about out, but every single time you autismoniggers ignore it since you think it's more fun to antagonize people since it's the only fleeting power you will ever experience in your pathetic lives. The problem is, this misbehavior tends to continue into adulthood where there are real legal consequences for harassing behaviors and worse things functional adults have zero patience and tolerance for. PS: Nice no-quote response. Classic vain mental cripple strategy to get the last word in to claim victory by cheating so that. You know you can't fight fair so you need to do this weasel tactic like a COWARD!
>>84251654>you get told to cut the bullshitLiterally never happens, I assure you. People get mad at you, don't tell you what you did, and give you the silent treatment.You go as far as to say "please just tell me what you want me to do", and they think that's some kind of affront to.
>>84250292wtf are you talking about lmao, bro thinks i'm plotting terrorism with model cars and trains
>>84251890refusing to talk about football with a normie is emotional terrorism.
>>84251828They did, you just chose not to listen since anything short of STOP ACTING LIKE A CUNT is too subtle for your superior brain to compute. And even that is still too subtle most of the time.
>>84251903LMAO true, my friends used to always try to sneak in fifa to my ps3 whenever I went to take a piss. I did try play it a few times but it's ASS.I'm reasonable though, I compromised and allowed us to play supersonic acrobatic rocket powered battle cars (now rocket league)
>>84252224>we didn't say it. We just gestured with our eyes and expected you to be a mind readerThis is basically schizophrenia.
>>84246867The positive symptoms of schizophrenia are fun and games, and though they do cause suffering, this is FAR from being the source of the problem.The problem and what makes it a mental illness are the negative symptoms.Schizophrenics can deal with hallucinations and voices, eventually you learn to live with them. But what you can not really deal with is that they end up being incapable of functioning because nothing really works for them. They end up not wanting to do anything, just sitting there. Having food rot in their room, never wanting to go outside.The main theme of shizophrenia is isolation, depression, inaction and decline into being unable to function at all. The positive symptoms just mask this somewhat
>>84246813The diagnostic criteria includeHaving all 3 of the following:>Difficulties with back-and-forth conversation, sharing interests, or initiating social interaction.>Challenges with eye contact, body language, gestures, or understanding nonverbal cues.>Difficulty developing, maintaining, and understanding relationships, including adjusting behavior to social contexts or imaginative play.At least 2 of the following:>Stereotyped motor movements, echolalia, or use of objects>Rigid adherence to routines, difficulty with transitions, or ritualized patterns.>Highly restricted, intense interests (e.g., strong attachment to unusual objects).>Hyper- or hypo-reactivity to sensory input (e.g., indifference to pain, extreme reaction to sounds/textures).And the symptoms must have manifested early in development and had a measurable impact on quality of life.
>>84252406>And the symptoms must have manifested early in development and had a measurable impact on quality of life.That's the bias which is in fact false. The lazybrained psychiatrists just had an easier time categorizing infants and children before puberty, whereas the emergence of wide variations happens far earlier.For example when I was 3 I built a staircase out of various objects to climb up to my father's turntable. I removed the cartridge in order to examine it closely. I wanted to know how it transformed the physical movement on the record surface into movement of the speaker cones.Now I know the forces I was interested in, including the angled stereo encoding and horizontal/vertical electromagnetic pickup coils as well as the reason the record sounded high-frequency biased (inverse RIAA filter.)>test_include.db.txtinclude = "literal; data.";include.sub1.node1 = .periods.in.data.;include.sub1 { node2 = exclamation!!; }>test.db.txtoperator test = "{=\";\"}";literals test = "\a\b\t\n\v\f\r\e\\\"\'\?";escaped test1 = "\'?\'\"???\"";binary escape = "\xff\0";// #include "test_include.db.txt" //#include "do not include this"//node = data;branch node { sub node { leaf node = data; } }empty branch node {}//;=lols= u joker// stackedroot1.sub=data{sub1=data;sub2=data;}// double stackedroot2.sub=data{sub1.sub2=data;}//// comments work now"node names" = do not need to be literals.;"unless they contain = symbols;" = "that; = \"do\"";//// single forward slash is finevariable = 1/2; // na na na na na//// escaping of question marks only applies inside a literal.\?~.~!! = almost anything as a node name;//// subnode depth test0.1.2 = 99 { 3.4.5.6.7{} }// non-trailing/leading whitespace is now = ignored(inside, tokens);// comment without newline at end of input
Unfortunately since both of my parents were low IQ and uneducated, neither of them could explain to a three year old how the mechanism worked precisely. Nor could they effectively communicate at all. I still find it extremely trying to attempt to communicate with them, which becomes 90% one-sided since they understand almost nothing I say.
The reason the DSM criteria include such a limitation is because a subjective criterion can apply to anyone. Therefore because these are non-medical subjective diagnoses rather than based upon scientific hard evidence the criteria require a limiting mechanism.See "ADHD" or "depression". They used to believe schizophrenia was caused by bad mothers; demonstrating conclusively that psychiatrists are retards.
It proves that clinical, that is particularly psychiatric consensus is divergent from reality. Medicine has always been this way dating back to blood letting and leeching practices, hysteria diagnosis and treatment (sexual abuse and molestation of female patients by doctors for arbitrary reasons or no independent reason at all) and numerous other failures and historic atrocities.This is a clear demonstration that consensus on the nature of reality is beyond the grasp of those attempting to participate and systematize. When examining the leading edge of all models, the models themselves always break down (100% of the time.)Any model is a reduction (a simplification) via our subjectively biased interpretations of reality. A model is not reality itself.Systems like the DSM prioritize the observer's perspective over the subject's internal reality. If the observer lacks the capability to interpret and understand the subject's actions, they label the behavior as "disordered" simply because it is incomprehensible to them.A medical fact today is often looked back upon as a recognized atrocity in the future. This breakdown is why many are moving toward phenomenology (the actual experience of being, rather than allowing a third party to systematize their existence through a lens of pathology.)Reality itself is far more complex than the minds of those lesser observers who attempt and vainly fail to systematize it into a simplified model. Any model that isn't guaranteed to fail MUST be abstract and open to portions being incorrect. Hard scientific evidence must be accumulated in support of such a model, such as the microscopic structure in the lenses of the eyes - a measurable, verifiable hard fact.
>>84248961How uggo are they. I got the tism and am hideous
