Question for men:

Is there anything you wish women would understand about you?
How do you actually feel about women overall?

Another one for men:

If you're looking for a girlfriend, what is it you're looking for exactly?
What kind of qualities do you want in your partner?

If you've "gone your own way" and no longer desire to have a partner, what made you decide this?
Are you happy with your choice or is it just a better out of "two terrible options"?

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>>84253860
I wish women liked manlets like myself more :(

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>>84253906
How tall are you?

From all the women I talked to about this, they usually just want someone taller than them. I fall into the same category. I'm fairly short myself and have never seen a man who is "too short" for me in real life.

I would be lying if I said height isn't a plus when it comes to physical attractiveness but I genuinely don't think it plays as big of a role as it's made to be online.

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>>84253937
I'm 5'5
>but I genuinely don't think it plays as big of a role as it's made to be online.
That's good
>Is there anything you wish women would understand about you?
Not really
>How do you actually feel about women overall?
I like women
>If you're looking for a girlfriend, what is it you're looking for exactly?
I just want a friend who I can love beyond that
>What kind of qualities do you want in your partner?
Just financially stable, kind, and likes anime like me

>>84253860
do you mean biological sex, troonster? XX asks XY and XY asks XX.

>>84253860
For women:
What if my kink is to tease women for not having a penis and thus being unable to fuck? I just find penis envy sooo hot it's incredible.

>>84253994
>I like women

What an Earth-shattering, mind-blowing statement to unironically post on this board.

>>84253899
>If you've "gone your own way" and no longer desire to have a partner, what made you decide this?
I'm in love with my 2D wife
>Are you happy with your choice or is it just a better out of "two terrible options"?
I am happy with this. It does get a bit lonely but I love her so fucking much. I just want to know what sex feels like though. Life isn't an anime and my fantasies would probably never come true anyway. God doesn't exist and we will all die someday so it doesn't matter

>>84254006
Kill yourself faggot nigger stop posting that gay shit

>>84253873
>>84253899
Truthfully I resent women, having to walk the tight rope between "fiercely sexy, with a vampirish, warlock appeal" and the fact that you can have your life destroyed, your career ruined, be imprisoned, etc. the moment any woman anywhere decides she doesn't like you is exhausting. I was SA'd as a young man and I constantly feel anxious around them. Last time I tried to sleep with a woman I was drenched in sweat and you could see my heart pouding through my chest. Of course I couldn't get hard, it was humilliating. She was sweet and held my head against her chest and pet my hair and told me it was okay, but still it was an awful experience.

I wish I was some kind of seducer who women would fall for immediately and cherish the memory for years, but I am a deeply broken man and women can sniff it out almost immediately.

>>84254006
I'm a people pleaser. If we were dating and that's your kink, I would try to find some way for us to do it. I mean, I've been in a cuck relationship where his being feminized was a thing. So it doesn't seem that odd.

>>84253899
>If you've "gone your own way" and no longer desire to have a partner, what made you decide this?
the system, the society, the existence. I am completely disadvantaged and discriminated against by the government as a male. so they can go and fuck themselves. They don't do their jobs.
>Are you happy with your choice or is it just a better out of "two terrible options"?
I neither happy nor unhappy. I find satisfaction in other things and copium. It is indeed the least terrible of two options, because short of killing me, the government, and bad actors in general, can't fuck me over or have any influence on my life. I'm independent of all of them, I don't give a shit.

>>84254018
don't speak to me impotent smoothcrotch >:(

>>84254028
I'd probably wouldn't even ask for it honestly, it's just too mean. But I've always wondered how people felt about it.

>>84253994
You seem like a nice person, I'm getting good vibes from you.
I know you didn't ask for advice but if you're not already involved in some geeky meetup groups, I'd highly recommend it. I met a bunch of like minded people in such settings and everyone is very welcoming and friendly.

>>84254004
I meant biological sex.

If any trans women and men want to participate I think it would be useful if they clarified that they're trans. That way we can get a more clear picture and maybe even compare experiences of trans woman and biological women as well as trans men and biological men.

>>84254006
That's very specific. I'm sure some people are into it. As an outsider my reaction to that is: "Okay". It's not for me but people have different kinds of kinks and that's fine, they can explore that.

>>84254024
She consoled you despite your unstable state and you still resent women?

>>84254043
I'll pound your ass with my clit! That'll teach you to stop posting that degenerate shit online!

>>84254045
>I know you didn't ask for advice but if you're not already involved in some geeky meetup groups, I'd highly recommend it. I met a bunch of like minded people in such settings and everyone is very welcoming and friendly.
Thanks anon. I do cosplay and have met some friends through that, maybe someday

For men

Without using shitty anecdotes or copy-and-paste phrases. Can you tell me why it's important who I slept with 5 years before I met you has anything to do with our relationship?

Another question

If you told a female friend you loved her and she gave you a choice to be friends or date what would you pick?

For women I have a huge ENF or embarrassed nude female fetish. If you were dating me would you be willing to act embarrassed and cover your privates before we have sex?

>>84254071
I've never actually met a normal, peaceful guy. Every nice guy I met was also an abuser, just in a different way. Chad using me as a sex object isn't really different from how you treat me.
Also, I don't seem to think you guys understand that "Chad" and these aggressive men lie. They don't present themselves this way at first. You, however, put your own personality upfront.

>>84253899
>Is there anything you wish females would understand about you?
I don't know.
>How do you actually feel about females overall?
Love them. Biologically wired to. But I don't like humans very much, because humans, both male and female, can be and oftentimes are shit.
>>84253899
>What kind of qualities do you want in your partner?
I tend to have so many various fantasies in my head, sometimes contradictory, that I don't even know which of them are paramount.

>>84253873
>Is there anything you wish women would understand about you?
I want to be emotional vulnerable with my girlfriend. You would think that's what women want, but that's a total lie. Maybe not every women is like that or maybe I just had bad luck, but every time I opened up to a woman I got always a negative reaction.

Showing weakness or being wounded doesn't mean I want a mommy who always cares for me. I want to be independent and strong, but it is totally unrealistic to be like that all the time. All I wish is that women can show genuine empathy towards men sometimes.

>>84254071
Idk where you guys are finding women like this but I and my other female friends have not had any abusive relationships whatsoever.

>>84254071
Because unfortunately those guys are more attractive and more experienced, they know how to talk to a woman and satisfy her. Imagine if a supermodel wanted to fuck you, but she also clubbed seals. Would you care? Of course if a supermodel didn't club seals she would already be married and off living her perfect life with her Chad husband, she wouldn't be part of the dating market.

Everything really does boil down to the effort the "nice guys" make. You need to find some angle, get a new haircut, signal you are part of some subculture, stop eating candy, take up jogging, talk in front of a camera and ask yourself how you'd react if someone like you approached you on the street. You will never have the social experience of these guys, but these guys drifted through life, they were not nerds like you who could analyze society and focus their efforts.

I never claimed society is perfect, I never claimed it won't be difficult, but it is a big wide world, you have many options. Forgive me forgetting meta, but you can debate this here ad infinitum and it won't change anything and you won't get a much more accurate view of the situation. In the end everything boils down to effort, you have to go out and humiliate yourself and get laughed at to test your theorems and learn and improve. It won't matter in 5 years I guarantee it, unless you sperg out and slap someone with a fish or something.

>>84254013
Do you have an AI girlfriend that you also interact with or is it just an anime girl you like for her personality? I'd love to know more about this, I'm curious.

>>84254024
I understand where you're coming from and honestly I think a lot of women have very similar and valid fears when it comes to that as well. From what I've heard it's things such as fears of being murdered, being cheated on and left with nothing and more recently I've heard a lot of stories of women fearing their husbands would sexualize their future daughters because a lot of such stories have been coming out.

I think it's normal to have these fears, especially when we do see those very same things happening to other people. It's not made up, it's a reality for a lot of people. However, it's probably not healthy to live in the fear of it. Of course, I'm just sharing my opinion and I'd love to hear yours as well. It's like being afraid to drive a car because people get in accidents often, some people die that way or become paralyzed and their whole world turns upside down. It's understandable that someone would be afraid to drive.. but how far do we push it? I could also be killed by a drunk driver while crossing the street ... should I just isolate myself inside my own home for my comfort and safety? That will just bring different kinds of pains and struggles I feel.

Sometimes we have to be aware of the risks and still let ourselves lead normal lives.

I'm sorry about your SA, sadly it's not uncommon. It seems this girl was very understanding of your reaction when you attempted intimacy and it seems she's willing to work thro this with you. I'd say that's a good quality to have in a partner and maybe you should explore more with her.

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>>84254052
If only you could rape people to teach them a lesson...
Let's see how SMOOTH it is down there >:)

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What does an ideal sexual encounter look like? Im going to have sex tonight INSHALLAH so I would be very interested in yalls perspective/ play-by-play

>>84254145
That's because you are a guy. These men aren't trying to fuck you and trap you in a relationship.
>In the neighborhood
I'm sorry, I don't live in suburbia where all my neighbors know each other and hang out.

>>84254085
>Can you tell me why it's important who I slept with 5 years before I met you has anything to do with our relationship?
pair-bonding ability, destruction of the unrealistic, yet heart warming fantasies, plus depends on the circumstance, such as the age.
and there are more reasons, such as envy, jealousy, "you will always compare me to others", "if we're so perfect together why weren't you here 5 years ago then? Male insecurity, esp. about penis size in relation to the ability to satsify a woman, and the list goes on and on.
Some of it is projection and male retardation, but some of it could be practical and legit, depending on who you ex is. hopefully not a jealous serial killer that will one day show up in your life again, and such. Dealing with exes is a pain in the ass.
And simply, if I am a virgin at 40, why aren't you a virgin at 40? Somehow I made it, while searching for "true love". Why didn't you?

>>84254163
unironic answer for you is the way YOU want it. Everybody has their own wants.

>>84254046
No, after that experience I decided that maybe I am depriving myself of something essential in life, and that i should make more of an effort. A week later some of my female coworkers saw me flirting with a girl at work and made a big deal about how it was 'inappropriate' and got me fired from my job. I was homeless for some time after that and no women tried to consul me. Actually I love women, and would much rather be sleeping in a warm bed with one than in the cold on hard concrete.

>>84254085
Its not, but I find it very hard to relate to women who sleep around a lot because its so completely alien to my own experiences and honestly its hard not to be jealous of how easy some women seem to have it. Insecurity is also a factor, I'm just not very experienced and I wouldn't want to be with someone who's going to throw that in my face or that has a lot of experiences to compare me aganst.

>If you told a female friend you loved her and she gave you a choice to be friends or date what would you pick?
Friendship because some of my best friends have been women and they're genuinely great company, not to mention there are many natural benefits that come from being seen in public with one or many attractive women, even if its entirely platonic. Dating is way to stressful and women tend to go out of their way to tease me sexually and play with me in different ways just because they like seeing me get worked up basically like a cat with a mouse and I don't want that stress in my life I just wish I had someone who would hug me sometimes.

>>84254168
> Who's your ex
It's not about the person he is, but what he is. He is my first everything, and he has a reputation for being very gifted down there.

Also, elephant in the room if you're a virgin in your 40's it says a lot about you as a person.

>>84254191
>It's not about the person he is
sexual envy is just a part of it. there are practical dealings with an ex husband or bf, if he is alive and will show up in our relationship.
>Also, elephant in the room if you're a virgin in your 40's it says a lot about you as a person.
this means nothing. But explains that you don't get it at all. Being a virgin 40 tells you absolutely nothing a person.
What you are doing is going ahead and jumping to conclusions and making assumptions that will better fit your little world view. You might project onto a 40yo virgin too. Sad.

>>84254040
In what ways are you disadvantaged and discriminated against by the government for being male? Genuinely curious because as a woman I never felt I have more advantages in those regards.

>>84254058
For sure! It's good to be around like minded people.
I always wanted to get into cosplay as well, hopefully someday!

>>84254071
> You constantly shit on normal peaceful guys
I don't. I like peaceful, no drama kind of guys.A lot of women look exactly for that.
Often when people say stuff like this they assume they're the "normal peaceful guy" but reading your comment ... you sound aggressive. I'm not getting the "normal peaceful guy" vibe from you. Your question started with an assumption that all women are like this and I personally don't like that one bit.

> date aggressive masculine men who end up abusing you
I don't think women purposefully fall into these kinds of relationships. I was in one before (and I met that guy on r9k actually, I know - shocker). I must admit it's very difficult to leave such relationships so when I see a woman stuck in one, I empathize. My ex would constantly make threats on his life if I ever leave him. He attempted to kill himself in front of me. This is why some women let themselves be abused, they don't know how to leave. It's sometimes not safe to leave. These guys never come to you and tell you they're like that, it's all sunshine and rainbows at first.

> You then instead of changing the type of men you date declare that all men are like the abusechads you date and keep dating those same type of abusechads.
I'm not saying this doesn't happen (trauma can do unexplainable things to people) but I don't see it happening in real life around me. As I said, I've been in an abusive relationship, I have picture evidence of that too. I left and tried to take the positives out of it. My past relationship has taught me about qualities I don't want in a partner. I don't want someone who disrespects me.

>>84253860
wasn't there another thread with this same name in another board? /atoga/ or so i believe, i forgot which board though
but let's see...

>>84253873
>Is there anything you wish women would understand about you?
basically, we're not punchbags, and you're not delicate flowers, both genders can take and dish out a fair amount of physical punishment
double standards in general piss me off but this one is up there among the top

>How do you actually feel about women overall?
neutral
depends on the person, there are some cool women around as well as some shitty women, same as men

>>84254085
>Can you tell me why it's important who I slept with 5 years before I met you has anything to do with our relationship?
your past tells me who you are, what you've done, and what i can expect out of you
if you sucked a hundred cocks in the past 5 years, can i expect you to suddenly stop while we're together? hardly, lol
but more importantly, it tells me the reasons for your breakups, what kind of person you're looking for, what you're like in bed, etc.
information, anon

>If you told a female friend you loved her and she gave you a choice to be friends or date what would you pick?
i picked the latter
we're very happy together, and it keeps getting better :>

>>84254134
>s it just an anime girl you like for her personality? I'd love to know more about this, I'm curious.
It's an anime girl I really like, I'm in love with her. I have a dakimakura of her, have tons of merch of her, commission art of her, and more. I discovered her during a dark period in my life and she gave me the support I need. Laugh all you want but I love her like I would a "real" human

>>84254134
It was a one night stand while she was on vacation, I doubt she would have wanted to continue anything with me even if it was an option.

The problem is that it happens a lot more often than you'd think. Its very easy for a woman to get a man fired, have him arrested, etc. and you're immediately seen as the villian and never seen as the victim. I agree that you cannot meet people if you dont put yourself out there, but if 'putting yourself out there' has a 1/10 chance of destroying your life and a 1/100 chance of finding love, you may as well just stay home and enjoy your peace of mind

>>84254209
>Little world view
It's not my little worldview but the view of the whole world. Society tends to reject people who don't fit and can't possible fit into social norms. Being a virgin in your 40's, one does that. Unless you are devoted to Christ, every reason you give for being a virgin in your 40's will show a charaicter flaw in some way or another.

To both

Can someone actually explain the appeal to cucking? To be more specific, watching your wife fuck other men? I've heard it described as like watching sports.

>>84254252
modern western society thinks being a slut is good while being a virgin is bad, thats all you have lol. well there are alot of fucked up things considered good today

>>84254108
These abusive covert misogynists always tell on themselves. Good on you for pointing it out.

>>84254092
I think a lot of women would be willing to go along with this one, it doesn't seem too harmful or degrading. Like, yeah, I'd be up for it if my partner was into it.

>>84254110
Which contradictory fantasies do you have?

>>84254119
I have been beggiiinnggg men to open up to me. Honestly, there is nothing more attractive than a man who can be human. I want us both to be emotionally vulnerable with one another. A relationship is a partnership, we're in this together just trying to navigate this world. I have had a man in my life who was like this but sadly it was online only so we couldn't pursue it. When someone can verbalize their emotions it shows me their maturity and emotional intellect. I'm a sucked for that.

I'm currently dating a guy who has had a bad experience with his ex when it comes to that and it's so hard to "fix the damage" she has done. When something is bothering him, he shuts down. He doesn't respond to me, doesn't tell me how he is feeling - and honestly, it's taking a huge toll on our relationship. I'm being patient because I have noticed a lot of growth and I'm hoping in the future he feels comfortable enough to just be vulnerable around me.

My advice you didn't ask for is this: Don't change this about yourself. Women who react poorly to you opening up and having human emotions are just not the right people for you, and that's okay. How women react will help you weed out the women you don't want in your life. You don't need to waste your time on them. I know you'll come across someone who appreciates genuine human connections. Because honestly, how can one even have a genuine relationship without emotional vulnerability?

>>84254264
Having sex by your 40's hardly means your slut. Most people are married and with kids by now. I bet if you wrote me 5 reasons you were a virgin I can explain to what they say about you in a non sexual way.

>>84254213
>In what ways are you disadvantaged and discriminated against by the government for being male?
feminism, dei, literal laws that say that females must be given a job as a priority regardless of their competence, because let's have 50/50. And nobody asked me if I agree with it too, by the way, in a democracy by the way. How about paying a childless tax? That is wasted on single moms? How about always losing in a divorce financially, because a man will be able to handle it. How about having no say in abortions? Here is what I mean: If a female decided to get rid of the baby I put into her, I can't do shit, it's her decision. No say. But if she decides to keep it and collect alimony, I also have no say. What the fuck is this? lol. It's so stupid it is actually funny.
All of the propaganda, sometimes extreme by the feminists, that is never reigned in is also quite the "pleasure" to live through. Just imagine for a second if the roles were reversed. Imagine males walking around with the T-Shirts saying "patriarchy ftw" or "aggressive masculinity is all we need". And constant preaching and nagging by feminists too. I fucking hate any propaganda and any brainwashing.
And don't me started on
>let her do whatever and take any advantage of you, anon. she is just a girl.
all throughout the upbringing of males. Worse still, the modern day
>teeeeheeee, I'm just a girl
>cleans the human blood off a knife
Government pretends to preach the equality, but no, extra laws exclusively protect females. How about this modern horseshit, the co-habitat between me and a female without marriage can now be technically and legally considered a marriage by the court of law (more than civil one) provided we have lived a number of years together. And the no-fault divorce because the mood has changed. Ah, there is just no end to the modern day bullshit the government fails to regulate properly.

>>84254287
>the law
Can you show me that law?

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Why don't you give me sexo?

foids... if you had a loving and almost perfect relationship with your bf and then he asked you one day to have sex with a dog would you do it?

>>84254279
>I wish men would do X
>I'm currently dating a man who would never ever do X, no matter how much I try or beg
>If you did X I'm sure you'll be swimming in women, lucky guy ;)
Women are unintentionally hillarious and the boomers of gender.

>>84253899
>If you're looking for a girlfriend, what is it you're looking for exactly?
As a failed normie turned ascended (I got a gf), as I became more alone I became more desperate and wanted only basic features from a gf:
>Attractive Face
>Big Tits
>Big Ass
Getting a gf taught me those things were superficial, not that my girlfriend isn't more attractive than I thought I could get plus she had huge tits at one point - no, my point is: you learn that you want/need other things:
>Christian
>Cute
>Fashionable
>Bubbly
>Intelligent
>Loves Debating and Being Debated
Etc etc. If I had to get a new gf she would have to share at least a few of these traits or I simply wouldn't even start a relationship with her. Looking attractive is the bare minimum really.

>>84254306
How long of a relationship, and how strong of a relationship?

>>84254282
nta but I've been seeing virgin men past 40 be called "barren branches" a few times and it made me kek

>>84253860
>took an achieved reddit thread and copy pasta most of it here

What the fuck is wrong with this board?

>>84254326
men can have kids in their 60s. i know a guy who was 46 when his first kid was born and now hes got 4. foids on the other hand expire pretty early

>>84254279
>I think a lot of women would be willing to go along with this one, it doesn't seem too harmful or degrading. Like, yeah, I'd be up for it if my partner was into it.
Nice you seem fun! It's not really degradation I'm into it's just embarrassment around nudity I also have a fetish for women doing it to me or ENM
>>84254213
>I always wanted to get into cosplay as well, hopefully someday!
It's honestly really fun and I feel most alive at anime cons

>>84254331
It's better than the 100x attack women or trans people thread that gets posted every day. I also feel like a lot of people are tired of larping as incels. A lot of us are just robots.

>>84253873
>Is there anything you wish women would understand about you?
I wish women as a whole could understand how hard it is being a man. Even though men don't understand what it's like living through women's difficult times - we understand what being the more weaker, submissive, restricted sex means. Most women think being a guy is easy and because of that, they fundamentally cannot understand the masculine experience.
>How do you actually feel about women overall?
They're fine. Another flavor of poison. Women are needed and not just for births, they're a valuable necessity for every man's life. Every man. They're just mostly untamed and unrestricted nowadays and they desperately seek meaning in a world that already has a definiton for them - just one they don't want to accept. It's sad to see either men or women not step up to fulfill their roles.

>>84254124
I mean, it happens.
I've been in one, I'm not ashamed to share that.

I can tell you that there weren't signs. These type of guys really try to get to know you and then they become everything they know you're looking for... until you're deep into a relationship. My ex only became abusive once we rented a place to live in together. After I wanted to leave, he would threaten to kill himself and has attempted to do so in front of me with a knife against his throat counting down the seconds. I stayed in that relationship for way too long because I didn't know how to leave - and I still did care for this person because no one is "just abusive". I understood he had his own traumas but that was no excuse for mistreating me.

>>84253873
>Is there anything you wish women would understand about you?
when I do not reciprocate flirting it simply means that I'm not interested, it does not make me gay
>How do you actually feel about women overall?
neutral
>>84253899
>If you've "gone your own way" and no longer desire to have a partner, what made you decide this?
>Are you happy with your choice or is it just a better out of "two terrible options"?
I think MGTOW is cringe, I wouldn't describe myself as "gone my own way" it's just that I never took a step forward
I've never felt anything towards women except sexual attraction and that was remedied by masturbation
and I don't see the point in putting in the effort and energy into pursuing women just to have sex and discard them because I simply do not posses any romantic feelings or emotions
I'm not happy, I've never been happy at any point in my life and honestly if I had a gf I'd probably end up making her miserable too

>>84253860
Question for foids:

Why do you insist on getting fake nails? They're so gross, and my sister gets them sometimes, which always grosses me out.

>>84254356
>I wish women as a whole could understand how hard it is to be a man
No, I understand. What I don't understand is why you blame women for it. When a lot of what causes your hardship was made by other men.

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>>84254307
this kek, its insane how women lack self awareness. literal mental children

>>84254085
Your history of past choices predict your future ones? That sounds copy-and-paste but it's so obvious it shouldn't need to be stated. Just like it's obvious you're not a woman and you're baiting for debate points.

>>84254243
I don't see a reason to laugh at it. If this is your way of coping thro some dark stuff, that's perfectly valid and understandable. We all need something to love and care for.

It's not quite the same but I still sleep with a plushie cat I've had since I was 5. It brings me comfort. In my teenage years whenever I'd have a hard time I would "put my tears" onto my plushies eyes. Is it weird? Maybe. Did it help? It did, and that's what matters.

>>84254362
They're trendy and in fashion. I could write some vague post about biology and attracting a mate, but essentially, it's just because it's the trend. There are a lot of things I wear now that I wouldn't have worn in the past.

>>84254364
Who said I blame women? That's like blaming the effect for the cause. Or put another way: I could never blame women because that gives them a level of agency they simply do not have. But on the other hand! I don't want it easier for men. Oh no, not at all. Men deserve and are designed for hardship. I'm not complaining about it, I'm simply stating that's how we live and if you can't understand it, you don't understand men.

>>84254252
>Society tends to reject people who don't fit
what about people who reject the society instead and choose the purity?
I knew you'd go there, duh. Listen, being a virgin is a choice. I'm sorry but you are in no position to judge people choosing to stay virgins, including females. (those do exist, but exceedingly rare in the west). Volcels do not cause damage to the social fabric, they do not spread std's, they commit no sexual crimes. You have no leg to stand on. Your conclusions are the cope, because you can't understand somebody refusing random relationships and random sex.
>It's not my little worldview but the view of the whole world.
that is categorically false, becausae there are tons of virgins. Monks with the vow of celibacy, asexual people, those unfortunate enough to have severe health and mental issues aka being heavily disabled, and so on.
The interesting thing here is that you assume that I'd be a virgin because I'm an inferior normie male whatever it means in your personal assumptions and opinions, hence your personal worldview. I find it funny that you think that a Chad can't be a virgin.
>>84254279
>Which contradictory fantasies do you have?
not going into list and details, example: both short and tall females. like petite and amazons 6ft+. I don't know which I like better, as with all the choices in life, both have + and -. I can't choose between them. I refuse to.
>>84254296
First random article:
>https://lawshun.com/article/are-laws-written-to-favor-women
Examples:
>Laws often prioritize women's health, such as mandatory coverage for maternity care under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) in the U.S.
overall
>Critics argue that some laws may unintentionally disadvantage men, such as in child custody or military conscription, sparking debates about gender equality.

>>84254358
Maybe I haven't experienced this cause I'm usually the more toxic and mentally ill person in the relationship.

women:
would you prefer it your boyfriend fakes emotionality, or is authentically/honestly just not that emotional?

>>84254375
>That sounds copy-and-paste, but it's so obvious it shouldn't need to be stated. Just like it's obvious you're not a woman, and you're baiting for debate points.
False,.However, I am being super vague though, and it makes almost every awnser being give not relevant. Most imply that I've had multiple partners. When the reality is 2. Again, the problem really is about the who.

>>84254248
I hear you. I'll assume you're probably from the US or UK or something because that sort of stuff is pretty much unheard of where I live. I really don't know why people would be so malicious to go out of their way to ruin someone's life.

Is there a way to go on about this more safely? Keep records of everything just in case so no one can frame you for something you haven't done?

>>84254347
The branch is barren because everyone leafs the wizard alone. His geriatric sperm would likely make spawn with down syndrome or something.

>>84254389
>Who said I blame women
I've been on this board for a while. There hasn't been a single post blaming other men for men here being incels or how bad their lives are.
>you don't understand men
I understand men the same way we understand a wild animal. You can tell me why a lion attacks a certain animal, but you can't tell me their reasoning behind it.
For example, I understand male pride. I don't understand the logic behind it.

>>84254394
I want authentic. However, I don't want knee-jerky.I want you to think about how you feel about something before we talk.

>>84254422
>foids dont understand pride and dignity
yeah no surprise there

Women/men

How would you feel if your current partner claimed to be straight but had a 6-month-long period where they lived and had sex with a person of the same sex?

>>84254376
Thanks for understanding anon. I just love her a whole lot, I'm not sexist or anything I just might give up real women for her because of my love towards her is that much. I am in the waifu general threads. I don't wanna say her name ITT
>It's not quite the same but I still sleep with a plushie cat I've had since I was 5. It brings me comfort. In my teenage years whenever I'd have a hard time I would "put my tears" onto my plushies eyes. Is it weird? Maybe. Did it help? It did, and that's what matters.
That's very sweet :)
I'm glad you show your pushie so much love

>>84254307
>>84254373
I'm in the early stages of my relationship and I see a lot of qualities I like in this man.
I'm not perfect either, I think it's also important to help one another grow in a relationship so we can show up as the best versions of ourselves for our partners.

I do see where you're coming from but you're also very much misrepresenting what I said and I don't appreciate that, I think it's said in bad faith. I never said he would "never ever" open up, in fact, I said I'm seeing a lot of progress already in such a short amount of time hence why I'm willing to be patient.

It's also extremely difficult to find a man willing to be emotionally vulnerable in from of you, especially so early on.

So lemme fix that one for you
>I wish men would do X
>I'm currently dating a man who struggles with X but is actively working on it and I trust that he will get there
>If you did X, I think that's great. Will that guarantee women? I don't know.

>>84254422
>pride
>I don't understand the logic behind it.
oftentimes there is no logic which is the funniest part. For example color of the skin is not something to be proud of, just as the country of origin, because those are random.
Pride is only acceptable when it is derived from tangible achievements, which funnily enough never do that.
Pride is borderline a deadly Sin in the Bible and there are good reasons for it.

>>84254447
I would be sad because we are at 5 months and gay
:(

>>84254447
>my girl tells me she's been a lesbian for a while
I'd be intrigued and curious. I'd have plenty of questions. Not just related to the dirty stuff, but also, such as, what made her change her mind. Bisexuality? And obviously tons and tons of dirty questions related to it.

>>84254400
It doesnt matter is the thing. Like I got harassed out of school for a false accusation (she was jealous because I turned her down and was flirting with some other women) and despite having multiple witnesses who where there on the night in question and came forward to defend me, I was still labled a rapist, barred from parts of campus, socially ostracized, etc. etc. without any recourse. I've been fired, arrested, threatened and all kinds of things just because a woman decided for whatever reason she had a problem with me and not once has there been any recourse to even defend myself, let alone hold her accountable.

I blame boomers personally, they decided that women are perfect and men are terrible and will abuse any position of power to push that narrative. But it hurts knowing that basically any kind of sexual life I might have is defacto criminalized, espescially when many woman I meet basically use dating apps like an online brothel.

My cope is that someday I'll meet a sweet virgin girl who had as many hangups as I do, but its not realistic, less so the older I get. Realistically I'll probably become a jaded whore-monger once i make enough money to do so and at least I'll stop feeling like I've missed out on some essential part of the human condition. I'm so lonely it physically hurts sometimes. Anglo society is a factory for producing broken syncophantic people.

>>84254390
> What about people who reject society instead and choose purity?
They're still seen as weird. It sounds cultish.
>Being a virgin is a choice
So is meth that doesn't make people who do meth good.
>You are in no position
Yet here I am.
>You can't understand
You can't understand how weird it is that it has kept happening for 20 years of your adult life. If you keep running into the same problem over and over again. Clearly, you are the issue.
>Monk
I like that you claim it's normal, and yet the people you list are people who are in abnormal situations. Imagine how parents would feel is the teacher who teaches their kids sex ed is a virgin.

>>84254503
>teaches their kids sex ed is a virgin.
does it require practical experience? I was certain it was all about
>be a good boy and wear a condom
>disease bad, wear condoms
>have you got the condoms are important part?
at least that's what it was like in our class, lmao. Nobody taught me to eat pussy and suck on a clit in a class.
>They're still seen as weird. It sounds cultish.
your imagination, again, is in play. You see plenty of virgins every day and don't even know it. If modern stats are accurate, of course.
>So is meth that doesn't make people who do meth good.
Rejecting sex with a willing females makes me a bad person? Logic is backwards, isn't it? What about hedonism and pleasure for the sake of pleasure? That's more harmful than being a virgin.
>If you keep running into the same problem over and over again. Clearly, you are the issue.
Reads as: must accept sex from the girls who approach me, because otherwise there is something wrong with me? Logic not found, again.

When I was 16, I had a 27-year-old boyfriend. People said I was groomed. What are your thoughts?

>>84254316
I love this, what a lovely conclusion. I'm happy for you

>>84254356
I think most women are aware that we both have our own different struggles. I don't think most people assume that guys just have it easy. They have it easier in some regards I think, less in others. Obviously we can't understand fully as we haven't experienced being men but I do notice the rise of loneliness, in younger men especially. Suicide rates are much higher with men as well. I think some men also don't have people they can open up to. I see a lot of male friendships focusing mostly on just having fun, banter and such and less on being emotional support for one another which is more common with female friendships. If I have a bad day, I can go to my female friends and they would hear me out. A lot of men don't have that. I think we also have some of shared struggles, like the pressure to be "attractive". I also see people shaming men for things they cant change when it comes to looks, I don't think that's okay. Women get shamed too, don't get me wrong - also not okay.

Are there any specific struggles you could share so I could understand men better?

>>84253873
okay so i kinda hate the generalisations implied here because obviously this isn't necessarily something uniquely misunderstood by women BUT one thing definitely is:

that you as a women have so much power and ability to open doors for me as a man that are simply impossible otherwise; there's so many things that i just can't do, and places that i just can't go, without you, and that it's just as scary for me to get up the courage to put myself out there and try to connect with you, as it is for you to take that risk on me... but you can't live a fulfilled life if you don't take risks...
does that makes sense?

>>84254362
I don't get fake nails personally but I do have friends who do.
I think some of the main reasons are:
> They're stronger. If you want to have long nails because you like that aesthetically they're less likely to break with the gel on top. My nails break all the time, it's not fun.
> They look pretty. I sometimes put the nail polish on but as soon as I wash the dishes or do anything with my hands the nail polish chips off. Acrylic nails last a much longer time and more skilled people can do pretty designs on them.

>>84254552
>11 year age gap
not as uncommon as people think. Due to my line of work I have quite a bit of information about the population. Stats. While it is true that older female, younger male, even in a marriage is seen more often nowadays, the old wage gaps are quite common. Anywhere from 3 to 20 years. Unicorns are much more rare than a man and a girl with 20 year old gap having children.

>>84253873
That I don't care about anything nearly as much as I do the ability for us to open up and be vulnerable to each other and rely on each other... none of the other stupid relationship expectations or gender rules matter, honestly

>>84254394
I will always prefer authenticity but I don't know if I could be with a man that is just not that emotional personally.

>>84254486
There is probably some frumpy virgin christian girl somewhere, if she absolutely has to be a virgin, you will probably have to accept no sex before marriage and go to church every sunday though.

There are many motivational quotes and empty platitudes, but these 2 hold true whatever the situation.

1: it's not over till it's over

2: take what you can get

2 is an important mentality for you, stop thinking about your high school crush, I mean, you've done so already over and over, I presume, at this point it is just wasting time and space in your brain, direct your thoughts towards your future, maybe move town, maybe try to talk to that fat chick you see in church and think about her instead of whatever distant memory you have, a fading now distorted fantasy versus something real and meaningful. Let your life shift from one to the other.

>>84254552
These kinds of things are totally fine by me and seem to uphold the natural order of things IF they work out and you get married. If you were a teenager dating someone ten plus years older and then it "didn't work out" then you come across as weird and it's a "red flag"

>>84254541
>your imagination, again, is in play. You see plenty of virgins every day and don't even know it. If modern stats are accurate, of course.
We know it. You guys have a stance and mannerism to you. I'll double down. You can tell when a man has a small penis by their walk. Same with women who's had big cocks.
>At least
You were taught the bare minimum of sexual education. If a teacher had sex, he would be able to teach more. For example, we talked about a dental dam.
>Make you a bad person
I didn't say that.
>Read as
If I were a car salesman, and every day for 20 months, you could go into the sales floor and then be rejected for every car I tried to show it. It becomes clear you aren't interested in buying a car.
>who approach me
Now we are getting someone who's a virgin because you're lazy or afraid, and it can be both.

>>84253899
Three qualities I always say:
Loyalty, Empathy, Humility
I can understand the people who 'go their own way' and it's basically because they feel constantly judged via external validation based on something that's not up to them
It's almost like judging poor people and assuming they're lazy
A question for you:
Is there something attractive to you about a man who has 'gone his own way'?

>>84254586
Why not? I'm unemotional and I've always felt like it hindered my ability to have relationsips with people.

>>84254448
> I'm glad you show your pushie so much love
For sure, my plushie cat was there for me when no one else was.
So is your 2d waifu for you.

I wouldn't write off women entirely just yet. You never know who may come across your path.

>>84254108
>>84254124
>>84254358
>>84254393
I wish you two girls would talk to each other more because it kinda proves how varied people's experiences are

>>84254552
i think you groomed him. its very hard for older men to resist young pussy.

>>84254085
have you actually ever had a guy you wanted to be with learn about your history from 5 years ago and judge you for it?
in other words, it's not negatively impacting you at all, right?
anyways, i don't think it's important personally, BUT it is telling IF you did things with that previous guy that you'd be unwilling to do with the current guy... and other stuff like that
but 5 years is a long time

>>84254615
>it kinda proves how varied people's experiences are
I wish more people understood this.

For women:
1. If a 28 year old guy tells you he's been in relationships but is a virgin because he's waiting until marriage, do you think that raises his value, lowers it, or is simply neutral?

2. Is there some part of you that can see yourself from a bird's eye view and see that you guys are often emotionally driven and childlike? That if you were all suddenly thrust into men's lives with your current brains, there would be riots and mass suicides in a week's time?

>>84254599
>We know it.
you think you do, but you don't.
>I didn't say that.
it is implied in the "world rejects" part.
>It becomes clear you aren't interested in buying a car.
but the interest is irrelevant, isn't it? the fact of being a virgin at 40 is what makes people jump to conclusions.
>Now we are getting someone who's a virgin because you're lazy or afraid, and it can be both.
I was under the, perhaps wrong, impression, that the reasons did not matter. that a 40yo virgin was a sentence, from the world.

>>84254486
That's actually insane. I'm so sorry that happened to her. Your worries are absolutely valid and justified as you've been thro it before. To me this sounds like something out of a horror movie but I've seen articles of it happening to others as well. I hope you were able to bring back your life to some sort of a normal after the whole situation.

Honestly, a virgin girl doesn't sound so out of reach. I have a few virgin friends myself. Older ones are religious so if you're religious as well, you'll find them in those circles. But also, as of recently I found myself surrounded by people in their early 20s and surprising amount of both men and women are still virgins - at least the ones I hang out with.

Tho I don't think that should be your sole focus. I do wish you all the best in life, may you find what need.

>>84253860
Question for women:

As we get to know each other, is it valid for me to ask to be integrated into your friend group?
If you sort of keep me at arms' length even while talking about including me in all sorts of activities, should I try to help you overcome your avoidance or fear of conflict?
How best to do this?
And is there a way for me to share my insecurities of just being dumped and abandoned without knowing anyone to mediate between us without making things worse?

I know this is a very specific question but I think it's pretty relevant and revealing.

>>84254590
I dont want to date an ugly girl, to be honest. You're right though, I should start trying more. This summer I'll just date as many women as I can and try to get over it.

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>>84254279
Thank you for your response. It really means a lot to me. To know that there are real people out there who care to be vulnerable to each other.

I know what you mean that it's to hard to "fix the damage". I've done a lot of healing myself. I am still single, but I am in a much better place right now. Being patient is the best thing you can do right now. I was like this too. It takes some time. I hope you and your boyfriend will grow together. Stay determined!

Thank you so much, you are a wonderful person. I will stay true to my heart and continue to be as vulnerable and open as possible.

>>84254552
I think you were groomed. I also had older men flirting with me when I was younger, telling me I'm "mature for my age".
I was not mature for my age, I was an idiot - but that's what they're going for. They want someone stupid they can "mold".
I'm 28 right now and I could not see a 16 year old boy even as an option. What would I even have in common with a kid?

>>84254647
Thanks, thats nice to hear. I used to be quite religious myself, I would really love to marry someone like that. Those circles tend to be quite sex-segregated though, which is understandable but unfortunate. Thank you for being understanding, honestly, its nice just to be able to vent about this stuff.

>>84254624
>Have you
Yes, let me be specific. My longest and oldest friend is a guy. We've been friends since the 3rd grade, and he is still my friend today. One night, I caught my at the time boyfriend cheating on me. I went to my guy friend's house. We had gotten drunk and fucked. We did continue to fuck for weeks. So much so, we missed a certain event, and our parents thought we were on drugs. So we stopped. Recently, and at least 3 times, I had guys break it off with me because my friend and I still see each other. He's married with kids. So I don't see why it's a thing.

>>84254586
well it's good that there's hope for the emo authentic types out there who write long hand-written notes with poetry and symoblic artwork to try to communicate and feel really anxious but just send it anyways
PLEASE don't ignore us when we do that... that's the worst feeling ever

>>84254560
Please tell me more.
What kind of doors could I open for men? Which places couldn't you go?

The rest of what you said makes perfect sense. It's hard to be vulnerable with someone not knowing how they'll perceive it. You're opening yourself up to getting potentially hurt. But like you said, you can't live a fulfilled life if you don't take risks. Very well said.

>>84254552
that's retarded to just assume that based on the ages
of course, you COULD have been 'groomed' (although this word is notoriously tough to pin down)
if you were groomed, then you were groomed
but if you weren't, then you weren't
simply being in a relationship with an older guy doesn't mean you were groomed by definition
it really depends a lot more on the power dynamics and if manipulation was involved
do you resent him or guys like him now?
do you have any empathy for older guys who are awkward and probably don't have many women their own age to date?

>>84254653
I wish more men were honest about wanting Stacy.

>>84254626
yeah way too many people generalise
like even this thread is sorta generalisations but i get why
but for instance i bet that the autistic/introverted /lonely people here would relate to each other more and the extraverted/open/sociable people as well, regardless of male or female

>>84254602
>Is there something attractive to you about a man who has 'gone his own way'?
Not particularly, I never thought much about this before. I do like this question tho, thank you.

If a man was to tell me he is going his own way, I'd respect that and leave it at that.
I don't get the urge to "change his mind" or anything like that.
If we discussed it together, I would share my opinions, otherwise I wouldn't.
But no, there isn't anything I'd find attractive about it.
Maybe the opposite even because it means he isn't even an option to consider.
He is doing his own thing, and that's fine.

>>84254085
Increasingly I'm willing to accept non-virgin girls even though I'm a virgin, but mostly because I know virgin women my age hardly exist.
It's the lack of remorse that I can't accept. If they've slept with multiple dudes and think there's nothing wrong with that at all, it would be better that she and I simply never talked about our pasts.

>>84254637
>It's implied
Not really. That is clearly a huge projection on your part. Do you feel like a bad person for being an old virgin?
>Jump to conclusions
You're really misunderstanding the whole argument. No one is just a virgin in their 40's. There is always a reason, and those reasons translate into other parts of your life.
>I was under the impression
No, it's reverse. To say it again, the things that make you a virgin say a lot about your character as a person, and a lot of it is negative. i.e<"I tell you guys, and believe me, past a certain age a guy with no family can be a bad thing"

>>84254723
nta. why? that makes little sense to me, because everybody wants Stacy and Chad. duh. that's not the point of the human interpersonal relationships. Nobody is ever perfect, there are always compromises.
>my natural face is on the uglier side, I think
your face of being something very few ever see, because of all the make-up and plastic surgery going on in the world doesn't define 100% of your value. There are other, often way more important, valuable quatlities. Your face has no influence on your quality as a mother, for example.

>>84254682
>my friend and I still see each other. He's married with kids. So I don't see why it's a thing.
By 'see each other' you don't mean you're still uh... sleeping with him, right?
Cuz he's married, y'know...
(wonder if his wife knows about this???)
Uh okay I can see how that's a more... complicated situation, but it's NOT about just 'having had a bf/been with a guy 5 years ago', lol.
But yeah I wouldn't judge you for that personally lol.
Now here's a question for YOU though... say you're with a guy and dating him and committed to each other... are you gonna think about your ex or your best friend and compare your current guy to them? And if you do, would you be honest about it? Could that give someone trust issues? Or would it just be them being insecure?

>>84254603
Because I get easily excited about things and I'd just want to share that with someone.
I'm also a little insecure at times so I need someone to show me they love me... a lot.

But also like, what does unemotional mean? Does it mean you don't feel love as strongly?
Why would I be with someone who doesn't feel strong love for me?
I'd feel like my feelings aren't reciprocated. Something would be missing for sure.

>>84254615
It's really interesting to see different perspectives.
Different women are having completely different experiences.

>>84254698
>Please tell me more.
>What kind of doors could I open for men? Which places couldn't you go?
Oh, thanks for engaging.
Okay I'll try to be very specific.
1. There's this DIY bead/bracelet-making place; and I wouldn't ever go in there alone to just do that stuff for myself... but if I was with a girl, then I'd definitely be willing even to let her paint my nails or something, etc.

2. Same thing with certain fashion boutiques or thrifting or whatever; there's not too much of a point to just going alone--I actually do sometimes but like, I'm always wishing I had a girl to do stuff with...
Basically I'd love to be able to pick outfits for each other to wear and go into certain women's clothing stores where I like to imagine how cute or sexy some of the stuff might look on her and she could surprise me... I like designing outfits and stuff too desu.

3. On that same note, drawing her, having a muse, there's literally couple's nights for these art class workshops and stuff...

4. Also, going out to restaurants, I almost never do that alone...

5. Lots of other things too depending on her hobbies but there are so many 'zones' where as a single dude you're just restricted from socially but if a girl is dragging you along it's fine and it's kinda exciting to be in that new environment almost like a girl inviting you to her room for the first time.

Obviously it goes both ways too I'd love to be able to take a girl places and show her things she wouldn't be able to access otherwise.

But yeah that's what I'm talking about; does that make sense?

>>84254630
1.It makes me think he's naive.
2. In a bird's eye, I'm not, and it's my current problem. I want to solve problems I can't possibly solve. It would be easier if I just thought of myself.
Also, read the studies, the reason men, particularly white men, are is because of your emotions. The abuse that happens, you guys keep bringing up, happened because of men's emotions.

>>84254723
>>84254751
there's actually a pretty wide range of attractiveness and people sell themselves short and make way too many assumptions
btw I'm almost sure that the majority of femanons do NOT actually secretly wanna bang clavicular or whatever lol

>>84254745
>Not really. That is clearly a huge projection on your part.
No projection. People can't tell. Nor do they particularly care, esp. if you're a Chad. An experiment has been done.
>Do you feel like a bad person for being an old virgin?
Absolutely not, I wouldn't feel bad being a virgin at 40. But good and bad are subjective and everybody has some negative traits.
>No one is just a virgin in their 40's. There is always a reason, and those reasons translate into other parts of your life.
Okay. I simply don't see how this is a negative instead of a positive. Esp. "translates into other parts of life" part.
>the things that make you a virgin say a lot about your character as a person
What do they say? Maybe I am misunderstanding.
>"I tell you guys, and believe me, past a certain age a guy with no family can be a bad thing"
this has no ground to stand on, because look up the modern day single people stats.

>>84254773
>>84254773
Yeah cuz after all, women are human beings and they're not all the same, lol

>>84254754
>You don't mean
No, I mean we hang out. His wife and I are in a book club.I am the godmother of his son and "aunt."

>>84254799
>naive
How so?
Also your last statement is incomprehensible.

>>84254821
huh okay the godmother part is a *little* complicated still lololol well you know it's certainly an interesting life you could write a book about all that defnitely
hahaha but yeah I'm sorry if people are getting hung up on your past that must be exhausting it never feels good to be judged for something like that

>>84254839
nta but your original second question was kinda ridiculous; what was the implication even?
that women will think men don't see the world properly and if they were put in their minds they'd go crazy?

this is unironically one of the best and least toxic threads i've seen in a while
should definitely have this one more often

>>84254853
That if women were put into men's bodies and had to live the lives of men (the expectations, the responsibilities, the work involved, the way others treat them) but with the same minds they already have, they would be completely unable to handle it.
There is no man on this board who doesn't agree with me on this, at least secretly.

>>84254630
> 1. If a 28 year old guy tells you he's been in relationships but is a virgin because he's waiting until marriage, do you think that raises his value, lowers it, or is simply neutral?

It wouldn't change his value in my eyes but I don't think I'd be a good fit for him because I'm not a virgin and personally wouldn't want to wait until marriage.
I have friends who are waiting for marriage, I respect that, I think it's cute in some way.

If a guy was a virgin at 28 and wasn't waiting until marriage I'd be completely fine with that. There is a little something exciting about being someone's first and taking someone's virginity. Maybe that would raise the value a little bit in my case but I don't like to think about these sort of stuff in terms of "value". I don't think a guy lost value if he lost his virginity before or anything like that.

> 2. Is there some part of you that can see yourself from a bird's eye view and see that you guys are often emotionally driven and childlike? That if you were all suddenly thrust into men's lives with your current brains, there would be riots and mass suicides in a week's time?

I do have a lot of childlike qualities, I love the side of me. I love legos, I collect hot wheels. Shit like that gets me excited. I love fun dates, going karting etc. I also try to keep my childhood curiosity alive, I love learning new things and asking stupid questions.

But I don't think I have bad childlike qualities. I'm not "emotionally driven" in a bad sense. I think I'm very playful when it's appropriate and I can be very emotionally mature when the time is right for that. I think stoicism has helped me a lot with dealing with my emotions and I think I'm a good communicator, I don't start fights, I try to hear out what people have to say.

If I was thrust in a "mans life" I think I'd be fine. I'm already in a male dominated field. If all women became men, I think there would be more talk about mens struggles and rights.

Question for woman why you mess with mens feelings without remorse i never understand lying and make ugly men believe that its hope because chad doesn't give you attention,when men lie woman are ready with torches and rakes outside ready to attack i do not understand why woman are so ignorant while they doing the same psychopathic acts like the men and even worse

>>84254815
>People can't tell
Behavioral Clues: People often look for behavioral changes rather than physical ones, such as a "post-sex glow" (increased relaxation/happiness) or changed attitudes
> I wouldn't
I don't believe you. I bet you haven't told anyone.
>I don't see how
If you are saying yourself for another virgin in your 40's. It shows you have unrealistic expectations. It's easy to say if you have unrealistic expectations for that. You would have them for other things.
If you're one of the incels who are scared to approach a woman. It shows how your fear hinders you choice making skill. I wouldn't want you to lead any project.
>This has
This is a popular quote from True Detective that is often stated in the Red Pill and Man of the Year. It shows you that men who are single in their 40's as flawed.

>>84254897
Thank you for the honest, face-value replies despite the second question being something that's likely to piss girls off.

hey women do any if you want to be my tank for m+ dungeons in wow? I play disc priest

>>84254649
> As we get to know each other, is it valid for me to ask to be integrated into your friend group?
Of course, I think that usually happens naturally anyway.
If all of her friends are girls then obviously it would depend on them, if they're comfortable with a guy joining in.
But if it's a mix of guys and girls then it's expected to happen, even.

> How best to do this?
I'd talk to them about why they don't want to include you and move on accordingly based on their answer.

> And is there a way for me to share my insecurities of just being dumped and abandoned without knowing anyone to mediate between us without making things worse?
I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand what this means. You should always be able to share your insecurities with your partner.

>>84254839
>How so
At best, you think sex is magical and should be done under special circumstances. At worst, you believe in the pair-bonding that it fades with each sexual partner.
My last statement is that men are actually emotional. To a point where they hurt themselves and others.
I pointed out how my problem is that I lack emotions, and my life would be easier if I were childlike.

this thread is fuckin nauseatin lol
>oh thank you for replying to me you are so nice
>well thank you good sir i think you are great too
>m'lady you are very nice to say that, thank you for sharing your lived experiences
>nono,you are the best and thank you so much for typing those words out
fucking normalfags YIKES.

>>84254947
In my defence, I asked people to explain the whole deal with cucking, and no none did.
And again, this thread is better than the daily thread we get.

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fembots are your sisters socialy maladjusted too?

>>84254944
Well if you're someone who has sex wantonly, no wonder your emotions have become numb in order to psychologically deal with it.

>>84254673
This reply has honestly made my day!
I'm happy to hear you're in a much better place now. Make sure to be patient with yourself as well.
You're such a sweet soul and I wish you all the best things in life.

>>84254978
My sister was once arrested for murdering her boyfriend. She was found innocent, but many years later she tried to murder her at the time husband all because he didn't like her mac and cheese.
I've never wanted to kill anybody, but I have pushed my boyfriend to an extreme breaking point in the past.

>>84253899
dont be fat, be nice to me, dont tell me about your exes i dont care, if you make more money than me dont expect me to pay for everything. tell me what you want i cant read your mind. if im having a horrible day or im sick please dont nag me that day wait til i feel better.

>>84254988
That implies I was numb. I have zero problem with making emotional connections with my sexual partners. In reality, what's going on in America, I have a problem with. I do not care or understand the insistence and push of white supremacy in America right now. I don't understand how the men who told me the jews were bad all my life are now telling me Israel jews can do whatever they want.

>>84254920
>It shows you that men who are single in their 40's as flawed.
that's just some subjective statement done by some random person. maybe a personal opinion. Personally, I do not care, because this statement has nothing to do with reality. It completely removes personal agency, and choices, and so forth..
>Behavioral Clues: People often look for behavioral changes
there are no changes, not really. I mean it might be completely true at a certain age, but past a certain age, let's say 25, there is generally no difference in behavior.
>changed attitudes
people do not change just because they have had sex. A chill person will remain a chill one. An anxious person will remain anxious, etc..
>such as a "post-sex glow" (increased relaxation/happiness)
this one is real, however, it doesn't last. if you have had sex on friday, there will be no afterglow on you on Monday. But you will have this aura right after sex, for a few hours maybe, tops.
>I don't believe you. I bet you haven't told anyone.
nobody has asked. more interestingly people don't think a Chad can be a virgin. My friends are all certain I have/had plenty of sex. Which isn't true, because I'm picky. Not one girl who has found me attractive ever asked or cared either. Pretty sure some of them were certain that I'm a manslut Chad, wherever the fuck this notion came from..
>It shows you have unrealistic expectations. It's easy to say if you have unrealistic expectations for that. You would have them for other things.
Fair. Doesn't track with me personally, but fair point. Maybe because expectations are reasonable. And let me clarify, no, I'm not and never did expect to meet a 40yo virgin female who is all immature and has to be taught things and whatever fantasies some people have. But there is a difference between males and females. Females have a shorter biological clock, which is why I find it unreasonable to expect a even 25-30 year old virgin female, who hasn't ever though of having children.
1/2.

Would you date a girl if she was really ok with all your nerdy BS but...
>Has a successful OF, no hardcore stuff, just JOI, ASMR, and fake POV videos?

>>84254896
i mean not really there's actually women who've done that sorta due to certain circumstances
honestly when i hear from my female friends of a lot of the bullshit they put up with, constant social expectations and stuff i think dang i'm glad i'm not a girl

>>84254897
very mature responses if anything most guys who are virgins feel judged for that societally lol

>>84253899
Non-negotiable:
>Must be white like me
>Can't be more than a tiny bit overweight
>At least a somewhat pretty face to me, my standards aren't crazy on that
>Is sympathetic to my Christian beliefs, even if she isn't Christian herself
>Hasn't been a complete whore in her past
>Wants kids
Negotiable preferences:
>Is actually Christian
>Has an interest in art of some kind
>Thoughtful, has an ability to see things distantly, detached from emotions, and has an inexhaustible desire to talk about things <- there is a possibility that if she had this quality strongly enough, I would make exceptions on the "non-negotiables." I don't think so, but I can't pretend it's an impossibility.

>>84254920
>>84255026
>If you're one of the incels who are scared to approach a woman. It shows how your fear hinders you choice making skill.
I beg to differ. Males are protecting themselves by choosing not to approach females/as much. Not the feelings, but freedom and finances in case of a lawsuit.
>I wouldn't want you to lead any project.
but competence in a specific fields related to decision making and even risk taking has little to do with approaching females. Now that I said
>risk taking
it rang a bell for me. I understand why you think there is something wrong with a male not sleeping around if given an opportunity, as being risk averse for a male, esp. a Chad, is a massive ick for females. Because a playing it safe male does not correlate with the female expectation of male behavior, as well as doesn't indicate the ability to move upwards through the hierarchies at the advanced pace. no to mention the thrill and all that..
Okay, I disagree with this particular female expectaion of males, but I do logically understand it.
2/2

>>84254947
buddy you can go to any of the other 98% of threads where it's just genderwar redpill/blackpill slop and bitch and moan and whine to your heart's content
maybe people are just happy that they see something less negative and toxic for a change

>>84255026
>Maybe personal
No, proffesional. I'm a human resource manager. One of our vetting steps is to go through your social media. Believe it or not, but you incels aren't exactly hiding well.
>There are no changes
Someone who's had sex would know you're wrong.
There are thousands of personal stories from people whose lives were changed by sex.
>People don't think chad
Normal people don't talk like this. You will never find a career accountant talking like child.

>>84254947
reddit askmen/askwomen

>>84255010
It's because America is actually based on a settler colonialist, exceptionalist supremacist ideal, the same as Israel, and so until Americans can have some humility and look themselves in the mirror and come to terms with that, there will always be a lot of cognitive dissonance. Historically even, Hitler took a lot of the racial theories for Nazi Germany from the United States eugenicists.
But yeah, I think as the American Empire continues to decline from without and within all sorts of people are waking up and opposing racism and prejudice in all its forms including Zionism.

>>84255035
I'd think she was taking advantage of other guys and that stuff is honestly pretty disgusting to me.
I would of course also be disgusted if I learned a male friend of mine was doing something similar.

>>84255065
Racism isn't a Christian belief, buddy
God literally struck Moses' siblings with a skin disease when they showed prejudice towards his wife from a different tribe with darker skin, Zipporah

>>84255078
>No, proffesional.
>proffesional
do you mean PROFESSIONAL???
lmao quite ironic
actually, they just hire anyone these days I guess

>>84255076
maybe normalfags and foids should go somewhere else to share their relationship experiences

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Femanons,
D-do you like me?

>>84254991
This is absolutely insane
idk why no one else responded to you
this is like something out of a true crime video
uhhh storytime???
so she has an ex who died under mysterious circumstances (how??? poisoned?) and she attempted to murder her husband? are they still together???
is your boyfriend kinda... abnormal as well?
does he know about this place?

>>84255065
>Wanting your wife to be the same race as you = racism
You don't even deserve to be engaged with but that's not at all the same thing as treating someone badly because they have a certain skin color.

>>84254796
Dang I was hoping that this high-effort response would actually get a reply because I was enjoying our exchange. Oh well.

>>84255160
it kind of is. you're saying other races aren't good enough.

>>84255160
Actually meant for >>84255120

>>84255035
No. Because you will set me on a dark path, that has the potential to make the spiral into the utter degeneracy that will ultimately have the potential to destroy both of us.
>nerdy BS
is almost always a withdrawal into the escapism as a replacement. oh, if only you knew...
>>84255078
>Believe it or not, but you incels aren't exactly hiding well.
I have no social media.
>Someone who's had sex would know you're wrong.
by your previous statements, over 80 to 95% of adults have had sex, because over 90% is technically what constitutes normal in the first place. Point here being, no, they do not change, lol. Look, maybe you did, but the people I know never did.
>Normal people don't talk like this.
Chad is not normal.
>You will never find a career accountant talking like child.
kek. good thing I'm not an accountant. Also, I'm just using the typical terminology to better illustrate the points in a concise way.

>>84255181
There's no difference between that and choosing not to marry someone for any physical characteristic. By your logic, it's unacceptable for anyone to discriminate based on looks at all, no height, no weight, no anything.

>>84255160
>>84255200
yes there is it's just a superficial thing that's based off of stereotypes and heightism is retarded as well btw because for instance a man is not a 'better father' due to being taller
it's peak hypocrisy especially if you reject entire majority groups of people and then whine about 'loneliness'

>>84255223
You can believe me or not, but I've never been attracted to non-white girls, from the moment I started developing interest in girls at all, and long before I ever learned that anybody ever thought there was a reason to treat someone differently based on their skin color. It's something I was born with.
And you think, for that reason, I deserve to die alone and childless.

>>84255260
buddy there's girls who you would classify as 'white' guaranteed who aren't 'white' and vice versa and 'white' is a pretty recent invented construct anyways
your thoughts aren't special or unique to you; they're a result of social conditioning and definitely not beyond critique and criticism
but whatever keep on rotting your consciousness
personally whenever i hear someone putting these sorts of made-up categories in a hierarchy it makes me lose respect for them
and no i don't think you 'deserve' to die alone and childless
i think that you need to open your perspectives on life up some and let go of some of the things that are holding you back and that if you complain about being alone on a website like this you sometimes need to look in the mirror as well as at society

For women:
Are you really okay with a guy who wants to be emotionally vulnerable to each other and talk about his and your feelings to support you and your relationship?
Because sometimes it feels like that's a meme that people say but then avoid when things get difficult, but ideally it's something you really need for a relationship to last, at least imo.

>>84255192
>I have no social media.
What do you think this website is.
>They do not change
Counterpoint fetish content like cuckolding says they do.
>Chad not normal
Chad is a made-up internet term.
>Good thing
No, your an incel virgin

>>84254604
>I wouldn't write off women entirely just yet. You never know who may come across your path
Sorry for responding late but maybe....I have a genetic disorder of neurofibromatosis and I just know no women would love me or want to have sex with me IRL. I just feel safe with my 2D wife she loves me no matter what and I love her the same way

>after sucking each other off for hours normies and whores now started discussing the benefits of interracial dating and how to stand up to racism
lmao what a joke

>>84255368
>incels resent societal stigma and prejudice against them
>then they simultaneously mock the very people who are willing to fight against societal stigma and prejudice at large
you're the joke

>>84253860
For wombmen:

What's the ideal bodycount of your future boyfriend/husband (not counting you)

>>84255352
>What do you think this website is.
Not my social media.
>Counterpoint fetish content like cuckolding says they do.
Kinks and Fetishes tend to stay consistent with the personality. A person might acquire new kinks and fetishes, but they won't off personal limits of what is acecptable.
>Chad is a made-up internet term.
All language is made up. It illustrates an idea.
>No, your an incel virgin
kek. why do you care whether somebody is a virgin?

>>84255342
I want you to be emotionally vulnerable, but I don't need crying at every flower.
>I ideally
This isn't LARP, but I will leave the part that sounds like a LARP out. I've recently gotten a divorce, and how our marriage started to fall apart was because my husband went from someone with whom we talked about our emotions on everything to not. Which resulted in to both of us getting in our own heads about certain events and making massive and possibly incorrect assumptions about the other's feelings.

>>84255035
>date
Sure. If she paid for everything with the whore money.

>>84255200
>>84255260
having a preference is fine but acting like you've never been attracted to someone who isn't white makes it obvious what this is

>>84255424
>Not my
We have govt contracts. Our vetting process is very deep.
>kinks and fetish
So you think people can't tell if you're a virgin, but you're claiming people who are cucks have a personality type?
>Why do you care
I only cared during this debate.

Can someone explain the appeal of cucking?

>>84255342
Yes I need someone to open up to as well

>>84255472
>We have govt contracts. Our vetting process is very deep.
I have no idea what you are on about.
>So you think people can't tell if you're a virgin
yes.
>but you're claiming people who are cucks have a personality type?
yes. people have different personalities, people are not the same.
>I only cared during this debate.
there is no debate. not anymore. it has devolved into the irrelevant discussion of my personality.

>>84255479
I think it's just male competition drive taken to a weird place.

>>84255479
>appeal of cucking
It's better than nothing, which is what most men would get if they disapproved of their partner getting some new dick.

>>84253873
>Is there anything you wish women would understand about you?
I wish they stopped expecting me to magically read their fucking mind. COMMUNICATE HOLY SHIT. Stop expecting me to act like a fucking shojo manga character that knows everything about you. Also PLEASE stop saying you're dominant if you can't handle making simple decisions like what movie to watch or where to go on a date. You're not dominant, you're just insecure. Oh and one final thing: please warn me in advance if your menstrual cycle is going to alter your entire personality. You being horny one day and frigid the next day is absolutely infuriating. Be consistent and COMMUNICATE.

>>84253899
>If you've "gone your own way" and no longer desire to have a partner, what made you decide this?
Bad experiences taught me that women are very picky, intolerant, and passive-aggressive. But it's not specific to women, I wouldn't want to live with a man either. I just want to stay alone because I don't mesh well with people, they annoy me and I annoy them.
>Are you happy with your choice or is it just a better out of "two terrible options"?
The latter. It's not great, but it's better to be alone than in bad company.

>>84255223
>yes there is it's just a superficial thing that's based off of stereotypes
It is not superficial at all lmao

Why do you libtards act like ethnicity is only skin color and not literally everything else too? Including height averages, iq averages, propensity to crime or rape etc?

>Started LDR for the first time which a women I met online
>Did my due diligence, everything checks out
>We get along really well, honestly feel more emotionally connected than I did with my last irl gf
>3 months in, things are going well
>she doesn't talk to me as much as previos gfs but i's always been that way for us
>She get a new job at a fast food place
>Slowly we start talking less
>We go 4 days without her replying to my message
>I ask if she's doing okay, say I know jobs can be very tiring (shift work), I ask if things are all good between because >I gotta bad feeling about this
>She assures me we're all good, I take her at her word
>things go back to normal talking every 1-3 days
>now it's 1 week later and she hasn't spoken to me for 5 days

now to be fair she's also neglegted her meme pages which she usually updates every 2-4 days but I feel like how hard is it to send a message just saying hi. Idfk. I'm not built for feels. It doesn't help that I'm having a depressive episode not that she knows
I guess I just continue wait while trying to ignore my feels but if she reaches out positivly what should I do? Make my feelings known about lack of comunication? give her a taste of her own medicine?

Man, I'm so lonely and my life is so fucked atm due to living situation. I know I'm far from alone

>>84254796
Oh wow, I never even thought about some of these things. You're totally right and it makes perfect sense!
You sound like a nice fella too, I hope you get to do all of those things because honestly they sound so fun and you have given me some ideas to do as well! I'm sure some those things could be done alone too but it's better with a partner for sure.

>>84255909
dont listen to him. dont drag ur bf shopping he doesnt want to waste a day browsing he just wants to get in buy and get out like a man. this anon is just closeted and overly self concious

>>84255063
>very mature responses if anything most guys who are virgins feel judged for that societally lol
And I'm sure there are women who judge men on that. I mean, "get laid" is said as an insult often coming from women.
However, I haven't met a single woman in my life who cared about it at all and I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks it would be beautiful to help someone else explore such intimacy for the first time.

Why are women so retarded and why can't they understand 2nd order effects and that you sometimes have to do something that seems mean or icky for long term positives?

>>84255342
>Are you really okay with a guy who wants to be emotionally vulnerable to each other and talk about his and your feelings to support you and your relationship?
I wouldn't be okay with a guy who doesn't want that.

>>84254796
You dont need a womans permission to do any of these things and by putting yourself out of your comfort zone you might actually meet one.
Just my 2 cents as a man anyways

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>>84255555
> I wish they stopped expecting me to magically read their fucking mind
I think this isn't a gendered problem, it's a human problem.
I've always had the exact same issue with men. I'm terrible at "reading between the lines" but it's often expected of me. I don't know what you want unless you tell me.

> You being horny one day and frigid the next day is absolutely infuriating.
It would be very beneficial to learn about the cycle, I'll give you a quick rundown.

>The Menstrual phase
She's on her period. She might feel cranky and tired because .. well, you're bleeding and often having cramps. Different women have different levels of pain here. I honestly used to think women exaggerate it when I was younger because I felt little to no pain but boy have the tables turned. Do not says "Are you on your period?" if she's cranky, this upsets women. Make her feel cared for and loved.

>The Follicular phase
She's up and running, feeling better and more motivated.

>The Ovulation phase
Mad horny. All the time horny. Feeling confident in yourself, looking great. Masturbating a lot.

>The Luteal phase
Calm at first but then PMS starts and you get easily irritable. Women can also feel very insecure around this time so make sure to give compliments on looks.

>>84255975
Give us an example, will ya

>>84255613
I agree that it's better to be alone than in bad company.
However, I think all women are so vastly different (evident from this thread alone) that there really might be someone out there for everyone.

Most girls in their lives have felt they're "not like other girls". I felt that way as well. I couldn't get along with "the cool girls", I was bullied in high school by other girls because I was quiet and would let it happen. Women in my life were passive aggressive with me. They would be sneaky mean - mean spirited but they world word it just nicely enough to have plausible deniability when you call them out on it. I hated women even (I mean, I was on r9k for a veery long time). My only friends were online friends (mostly from r9k as well, there used to be skype threads where we would enter skype groups before discord came around). I met a lot of great people here but I was a shut in and I didn't talk to people much.

But then I grew older, engaged more in the real world, I became more social and confident because I embraced the fact that "I'm not like other girls" and was proud of my querks. Only then did I realize I was just like all the other girls. There are so many different girls out there with different hobbies, interests, lives. I'm in a women only MTG community, buncha nerdy women. All of my female friends are different in their own ways but all so beautiful and genuinely good people. I think I just had to give them a chance. Sure, there are still passive aggressive women out there but I don't engage with them.

>>84256168
politics in general. women think the point of politics is to give people as much shit as possible because that would make the most amount of people happy.

>>84254552
you can still denounce him, arrest that pedo.

>>84255737
You need to tell her how it makes you feel. Don't be petty by giving her a taste of her medicine. If she's not interested in talking she probably wouldn't even notice or mind it.

Be open about it, tell her your needs. If she can't meet them you need to consider other options.

>>84255422
I used to prefer a virgin back when I was a virgin and I did have that.
After that I didn't want a guy with more than 3 previous sexual partners.
Now I'm okay with up to 10 I think, up to 15 would be fine too but that's pushing it.
I'd prefer it on a lower end either way, I wouldn't mind a virgin either, but I'm not too judgmental of it.

(For extra context, I have had 2)

>>84255356
I see how that would make dating more difficult but you also never know.
I've been on r9k for a long while, I've met all kinds of guys here, some with physical disabilities that are now happily married.

>>84256275
I don't think that's the point of politics, idk man.
Most women around me don't even care about politics all that much, I rarely ever talk about politics at all. I'm too broke for politics.

For men, how do you feel about your size and shape?
I'm talking about dick

For men who are virgins, how would you want your first time to be (ideally)?

>>84254085
>Without using shitty anecdotes or copy-and-paste phrases. Can you tell me why it's important who I slept with 5 years before I met you has anything to do with our relationship?
Because I'm territorial and don't like the idea of some other guy having fucked my wife, regardless of when it happened.

>>84253873
No, I'm not this mysterious deep person. I'm just lazy and selfish.
Women are awesome.

>>84253899
Someone you can rely on in day to day life mostly
Kind, supportive, honest, the rest is secondary really

I probably never desired one, it's mostly inertia. I'm not happy but I know getting a gf has never been the problem or the answer to the problem. I just need to be more proactive with life that's all

>>84254085
We have silly delusions of power and control. Even in modern times we larp about being subdued by the powers that be just to feel a bit like main characters in our other wise anodine lives

Date if she wants? Is there a gotcha on this one? The only way I can see myself having a long term fight with anybody is money, and right now I'm depleted so hard to care

>>84254262
The cucks are larping, on most cases is more a delusion of power with I can traffick my partner to have sex with whoever I choose than any actual sense of competitiveness/submission

>>84254447
I'd fear she would end up going back to being a lesbo. Would have to talk and see if she's over it and whatever that actually means in the relationship.

>>84256399
Chubby and short. Trying to lose extra weight for health reasons mostly, never cared about le chad looks because I have never seen a man like that irl, or if I have I clearly do not care enough.

In my silly mind my intelligence and wit carries me

>>84253937
>I'm fairly short myself and have never seen a man who is "too short" for me in real life.
How tall are you because i'm 5'3 in shoes lol

>>84255466
I haven't. What's so unpalatable about this for you? Jealous you can't have this white boy, brown skinned nona? Explain to me the issue with everyone marrying within their race.

>>84253899
>If you've "gone your own way" and no longer desire to have a partner, what made you decide this?
Never participated in dating and doubt i ever will. I'm not physically attractive enough to be genuinely desired by women so i won't bother because they have many objectively superior options so why would i waste my time for nothing?

>Are you happy with your choice or is it just a better out of "two terrible options"?
Well the other option is making a clown out of myself to end up on r/deadbedrooms at best with a wife that dreams of other men 24/7 and resents me for not being attractive or getting divorceraped at worst. Not worth it

>>84255035
I don't care about any of that, not even hardcore porn. Get your bags while you can imo and idc if people want to call me a cuck for that.
The only reason i'd be hesitant with pornstars is because of all the drugs and abuse they go through but if that wasn't an issue then it's not an issue.

>>84256399
On 4chan I'm below average. Actually I'm probably average because so many posters are liars and copers, but just by numbers that get posted I'm below average, and it's demoralizing.

But it doesn't make a real difference in my life because it will never be seen by a woman who loves me anyway.

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Females, why have females given up completely on wanting gender equality and instead embraced gender war tribalist bullshit, "reactionary feminism" and basically just taking traditional misogynist rhetoric and trying to turn it around against men with misandry? Is it really so difficult to have actually reasonable principles and values, and so satisfying to engage in braindead hate that only leads society to a race to the bottom instead?

>>84257689
Because many women view themselves as feminists simply because they are women and they've never been pressured to interrogate their own beliefs and change them for the better. As a result, you have an uncomfortable amount of women who's only political conviction is female in group bias. And by contrast, men have grown more egalitarian. And these days, those of us who are constantly going "woman bad", while they get some support, get made fun of by the rest of us. The same is not true on the other side (in regards to their equivalent).

The history of feminism is ripe with reactionary thinking and bigotry too; don't be mistaken, this is not an entirely new issue.

It's gotten to the point of comedy. Like any video thumbnail on Instagram or YouTube that I see of a woman speaking I just view as a coin flip for whether or not she'll somehow incorporate seething about men into it.

And the rank double standards when it comes to discourse about the two sexes disgust me.

Even as someone who's ltn craniofacially I was still willing to engage in small talk with female strangers. I really don't bother with that at all these days. If I'm going to be profiled and demeaned because the actions of a minority and misinterpreted stats then I'm just not going to waste my time trying to spark up unnecessary convos with other people, especially if there's a decent chance they've been psyoped into having automatic disdain for me.

>>84256399
Not so good lately. I used to have a monster cock but I'm almost 40 and it's gotten harder to get and stay hard and I'm never over like 85% as hard as I used to be, and on top of that I've gotten pretty fat, and while I'm still above average I'm just sad that it's not what it used to be and I'm constantly worried about actually going impotent.

>>84256293
I sent her a message saying this - Hey, I hope you had a good shift at work all things considered. I have been thinking about our relationship and honestly I'm feeling a bit ignored(?) or we converse on a very irregular schedule compared to most couples. I'm all for quality over quantity, forced conversation sucks, but in saying that I think it's very healthy to keep a line of communication going, just something small like Hey, how's your day/GM/GN every like 2-3 days. With more substantive conversations throughout the week -
In all likelyhood she'll either decide it's time to ghost me or placate me enough for long enough to kick the can down down the road. Now IDK what problems she experiences day to daybut it is such a whiplash going from making plans, some long term, being very loving to radio silence for the better part of a week. Ususally its women who are demanding more attantion imeand observation (though 24/7 acsess through the internet has created this anxiety that if he's not talking to me he's probably talking to some hoe or something).
I got wrecked in my first relationship and was devastatingly heart broken for SO long, I purpupurly didn't emotionally invest much more than fwb with my 2nd relationship since I was terryified of being hurt (both irl for 2 then 5 years) now that chick I met online is closer to the first. I got plently to be depressed about without this mess that I want to take a dirt nap. Ofc I don't dump my problems on said gf or act depressed.

Why did so many men in high school not realize that girls had pubes too? I was open with a lot of my friends and when we went to a lake I got changed in front of them and almost all of them at one point or another said something along the lines of "why do you have hair there?" like you don't??

>>84258282
You should have had sex with the ugly men, but you only want chads. Men don't get to see women's bodies in real life because you dumb pigs are so picky. You'd rather die than be seen naked by an incel. You are evil. And you'd shave for Chad of course.

>>84258290
I'm a lesbian retard my best friends have seen me naked countless times

>>84253873
>Is there anything you wish women would understand about you?
Not understand per se but I want women to treat me seriously. When its about them its something serious, world ending, really important, but when its about me its a joke, its not really important and I shouldn't care as much.
>How do you actually feel about women overall?
I feel like most women are actually completely insecure and insincere, and are not able to be sincere even once in their lives. I can't see them as equals anymore, its something I truly want but I can't, there are some fundamental mental faculties missing in the opposite gender.

>>84253899
>If you're looking for a girlfriend, what is it you're looking for exactly?
A mirror of myself with a pussy would be ideal. Someone that can maintain a discussion in any topic for hours with me and is generally pleasing to be with, ideally family focused and low energy.
>If you've "gone your own way" and no longer desire to have a partner, what made you decide this
I was forced to go my own way since I've been rejected by girls from the tender age of 14 years old to 29 years old (last time I tried, now I'm 30 khhv). Sincerely I don't really care about women anymore, but its not a happy choice since I'm assaulted by cringe memories of the past almost every week randomly, something that probably wouldn't happen if I were with someone.
For the record I'm white, but 5'5, so I always knew it was over for me.

>>84258298
Typical lesbian, refusing to let incels have sex with her. Just shows more how women are evil

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>>84253860

For the women:

Why do you guys get uncomfortable as fuck and scared of random guys like me for no reason? Since I was back in high school I can just remember as a pretty tall guy I would be minding my own fucking business then just look at a girl the wrong way I guess or something and then for the rest of high school there would just be this always constant tension and they just seemed to always be scared and just dislike me. And the weirdest thing is that I never even said a word to any of them, no interaction or anything. Shit just happens???? Then you have this bad blood permanently over nothing.

To any women reading this: Please know that I or no other decent men ever want to make you feel uncomfortable. It feels horrible for us when it happens on accident and I certainly never meant it. If only you knew how often we cross the sidewalk all the time when we see you just to avoid making you uncomfortable, how often we leave seats empty on the bus next to you just to avoid making you uncomfortable. I seriously don't get it.

>>84254085
>Can you tell me why it's important who I slept with 5 years before I met you has anything to do with our relationship?
Because knowing for whom you open your legs, I'll know much about your behaviour and personality. Especially if its multiple people or criminally inclined people. You can't deny that you can't infer behaviour from past relationships.
Also how many partners you had before destroys your pair bonding ability. Would you prefer to insert in your pussy a dildo that was used by multiple people before or one that was just used once? Its a retorical question because if you're asking this you're dumb enough to not know the proper answer. A normal person generally would think that a dildo used by 100 people is dirtier and riskier to use than a dildo used by 1.
>she gave you a choice to be friends or date what would you pick?
If you said you loved her WHY the fuck would you choose to be friends instead of dating? Are you genuinely retarded, oh... you're a woman... I forgot that for a second.

>>84258358
I'm worried they're going to exert their height over me or something, it's nerve wracking when a really tall guy approaches

Hey women, I need a read
>Professional senior manager woman
>Half my size
>Told me her age (old) and her fitness (none? Somehow)
>Keeps focusing on mine whenever possible
>Gave me her personal number even though I have no reason to use it unless emergency
>Emergencies happen, now heart and monkey emojis
>Tried to hug me, then did my collar in front of my boss
But
>Boss flirts with her whenever possible or is in her corner every minute
>She's being flung to other places by CEO until our building's opened
>The other day was terrible since she was forced to be in a commercial treated like shit
>Last words she spoke to me was a work order

Go for it or leave be? At this point my gut says "leave be".

>>84254252
>every reason you give for being a virgin in your 40's will show a charaicter flaw in some way or another
You can't even cite a reason, I doubt you can even explain any character flaw resulting from 40 years without sex at all.

>>84258282
Wtf. If I found out my girlfriend was just giving all her snotty little friends shows back in the day I'd instantly kick her out. What is wrong with you. And on top of it all you act like it's normal with no shame

>>84254085
>Can you tell me why it's important who I slept with 5 years before I met you has anything to do with our relationship?
Because you are picky. You only want the sort of hypermasculine trad right wing chads who care about that sort of thing. You go for the type of men who care about that, and reject the nice guy male feminist incels who DON'T care about that, calling them performative or fake nice guys or just unattractive wretches who aren't good enough.

Your standards and preferences have left you with the sort of men who care about who you slept with 5 years ago, and despite everything, you'd rather deal with them and just grumble about their sexual purity standards, than accept the alternative who doesn't care
>If you told a female friend you loved her and she gave you a choice to be friends or date what would you pick?
Friendship! Friendship is so awesome and lovely, while the sort of dating that women want is horrid dumb patriarchal status obsessed transactional cold heartless bullshit. Friendship allows for actually having fun with and enjoying spending time with her, while dating means having to always be walking on eggshells and making ridiculous effort just to be "good enough" for the moment

>>84254745
>No one is just a virgin in their 40's. There is always a reason, and those reasons translate into other parts of your life.
Yeah there is a reason. I have a sibling with a genetic defect that I have to take care of since I was 7 and I don't want to risk having a son with that defect since its on my genes already or even thrust another person into a responsability that they do not deserve since its literally a curse. That made me refrain from bringing new people into my life, and in the times I thought it wasn't such a big issue I just got rejected, because I'm "better as a friend" and the usual "its not you its me" kinda thing. I'm not really antisocial and quite successful financially, so come on, tell me why me being a virgin at 30 "is a bad thing" and what does it tell about my character if you didn't know at all about the reasons I'm a virgin before you read my post?

For men
Do you think you're gonna end up cheating on your future wife when she gets old?
Consider that she'd be average looking, fit enough for her age, but of course not as pretty as a 20-year-old.
What could she do to make that possibility less likely?
I'm single but I worry a lot about this...

>>84258478
I don't even understand your point? none of my friends viewed me sexually, we were FRIENDS

>>84258648
I'm a nice guy male feminist incel. I'd never have any desire to cheat. But females want the hypermasculine trad abusechads who will cheat without apology if they have any access to a "better" model according to their patriarchal standards. You want the patriarch, you gotta deal with his standards. It's not like you'd settle for the alternatives you can get, because we aren't high value enough for your bullshit standards

>>84258648
No.
She's my wife.
Why in the rat fuck would I ever throw away such a commitment for sex?
God forbid we have kids, because if I cheated by that point, I'd kill myself.

Even if she's a degenerated human meat patty who's only able to verbalize with a Stephen Hawking machine, I'd still stick with her till the very end.
Having someone as a wife isn't just a trophy reason, a royalty reason, or a sex reason. It's a commitment. I don't break commitments.

Hell she could be 40 herself and I'm 28, it don't matter, my vibes feel for whoever I like. If we vibe well, you won't be cheated and hopefully neither will I.

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Hello non-male anons,

Would you like a guy friend to wear something like this?

>>84258648
No, in the past, when I felt the need to cheat. I will break up and sleep with the other girl. Sometimes I've done this and gotten back with my girlfriend. I think if I were married, I wouldn't do this. Probably spend a lot of money on OF though

>>84255909
>>84255971
Hey thanks for these responses I was the same guy I hope you don't take to heart the negative responses
I was out doing a lot of stuff but just wanted to say that it was cool talking with the femanons here and wish I had a friend like you to do stuff and share ideas with
(inb4 someone calls this "simping" or some shit but idgaf)

>>84255678
>unironically saying libtard
back to /pol/ buddy

>>84258693
I'm a man and I wouldn't want my buddies to dress like a retard. I'd make fun of you if you wore that.

>>84258681
I'd love you so hard. I'd be so faithful to you.

>>84256121
>I think this isn't a gendered problem, it's a human problem.
>I've always had the exact same issue with men. I'm terrible at "reading between the lines" but it's often expected of me.
THIS
so many of these threads just assume this gender war framing as if men and women are different species which is retarded obviously like I can tell I'd probably relate a lot more to you than a lot of guys as well.
I think communication is super important but the issue is that sometimes when you talk about communication it risks scaring someone off and making them avoid you or ghost you... What do you do with that situation and do you think there's sometimes an uneven burden between males and females in terms of who fears the relationship ending?

>>84253899
A skinny affectionate gf.
I just want to coexist with someone and find happy times together. It feels like everyone relationship I see turns into a battle where each person is trying to superimpose their wants onto each other. It keeps going until one person doesn't want to change and gives up the relationship or they give up their wants for the relationship.

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>>84253873
It may be culturally, but tall, plus-size are very attractive. Especially if they have functional muscle/strength underneath. Also women who are assertive. Women from where I'm from used to dominate economically and had political power.

>>84258412
What so you'd rather have a shorter guy approach you?
Well uh in that case...

>>84258769
>I'm a man
Opinion discarded

>>84258771
Honestly it sounds like you're being too hard on yourself. I don't know what you look like, but for you to doubt yourself over the "younger model" is worrisome.

But I'm glad faithfulness still exists.

>>84258858
My current self is fine but I already look older than my age. I do my best to take care of myself but I can't afford procedures and surgeries. I just worry about the future, is all.

>>84258656
Women really are a retarded alien species. You know what. I'm just gonna assume you're rage baiting and move on

>>84258648
Of course it's good to be faithful to the sacred commitment and if you're also dedicated and loyal to the guy why wouldn't he be to you?
But some practical things are to evolve and explore things together like if you're into cosplay or roleplay or whatever, taking turns massaging each other... So that you're always going to be far and away his one and only desire.
That's an ideal relationship where you just keep falling for each other all over again.

>>84258693
>A guy friend
Is this implying girls want guy friends to wear something specific to attract them but different than what their actual boyfriend wears?

>>84258887
There is a woman just like you at work. She shits on herself (not literally) constantly because she's not young, even though 34 is pretty young.
She's also naturally beautiful, but apparently a film crew called her ugly and caked her in makeup like a clown.

The trick is Stress fucks with your face. Keep that in check, and you're always beautiful.
And exercise, it burns even more stress after a while.

>>84253873
I feel like I don't understand you guys. I hear one thing but see something else with my own eyes.

Men

If you had sex when you were drunk, would you want to know?

>>84258973
Might as well.
But when I'm drunk, I'm always alone. Justifiably so.
Only once I went to county jail, and I don't know what I did to this day.

Have to say, this thread went well vs the other ATOGA.
Wish it was common. It's like a less autistic Letter Thread. Instead of specific women and men, you just go "women, men, does X=Y???"

>>84259670
It's not common because it belongs on >>>/adv/ and there's a rule for that. We need competent moderation to move the threads to the boards they belong

>>84254085
>Can you tell me why it's important who I slept with 5 years before I met you has anything to do with our relationship?
It really depends. In principle it doesn't matter that much, but it is true that your past approach to sex says a lot about your potential views towards sex and relationships, which are in turn a major point to consider for compatibility between us. Also if we've had wildly different experiences it might create some differences in the way we live sex in our own relationship, especially at the beginning. What is new for me might be boring for you, etc. All in all I don't think it should drastically change things, but I'm some cases it could. Also I'm only human, and if my partner had 10x the number of partners I had I'd definitely be a bit insecure from having to "measure up". Again, nothing insurmountable, but it'd be stupid to pretend it wouldn't exist.


>If you told a female friend you loved her and she gave you a choice to be friends or date what would you pick?
Date. What the hell, it's the kind of thing you've gotta try, or you'll regret it for the rest of your life.

>>84254422
Finally answering this post now that I got time: basically my theory is that to understand men or women, you have to love and hate them at the same time. For men, we naturally love women - too much. This can get corrupted then you got the opposite end of the problem, being an incel and hating women only.

Women on the other hand hate men as a default, their counterpart of the incel is the pickme. A woman who loves men so much they harm themselves, men, and other women. Too much love is just as toxic as too much hate, anyone with a failed romance can get the gist of that.

>>84254553
>Are there any specific struggles you could share so I could understand men better?
There's a post that goes around about a husband and a wife that lost a child. The wife gets emotional support from friends and family of both of the couple, but the husband is left to deal with his emotions alone. Understanding the Life of a Man is knowing that this situation (of varying degree) is commonplace, that it will never change from being the default, and that it's up to a strong man to just handle it alone. With no thanks, possibly even from his own wife for being strong by himself. A man does his job with or without thanks. Usually without. That's why hard working men savor the appreciation he gets no matter how small.

Most failed men are the way they are because they have never gotten thanks or help or shown how to do things. Robots built to rust away without understanding their purpose. Purpose and Appreciation is the what most men seek really.

>>84254262
Dude here. I'll start by specifying that it's something I can fantasize about sometimes, but I'd NEVER do IRL. If I even think about the girl being my actual girl it stops being hot, there are too many real feelings involved. So Idk how qualified I am to answer.

Anyway for me the biggest turn on is to see my girl enjoy herself. It's particularly hot if I'm not directly getting pleasure from it, cause then it's 100% about making her feel good. So that's part of it, the other guy would be there with the exact purpose of making her feel good (ideally better than I could) and I'd be there to experience it. I'd wanna be involved though, like holding her, making out with her, licking her ass/nipples/clit etc as he fucks her.
Then there's the fact that I like to see a woman display confidence. In general I guess I like it when men and women step out of the tiny weak girl/large dominant man paradigm. The whole thing is (theoretically) humiliating for me, and she 's doing it anyway for her own pleasure. That takes a lot of confidence in herself and us, which is very hot to me. Also the fact that I in turn assume a role that's far from "dominant" and she accepts it anyway. The point is that we show eachother how we are potentially very different from that standard man/woman paradigm, and yet we are still very much into eachother. I think that's very hot.
Also part of me just enjoys humiliation. I think just because it's cathartic, we spend too much time worrying about being good enough. It's kinda liberating to imagine the person you love the most telling you you're not and that it's ok anyway.

Anyway the real truth is that there aren't any men that can fuck my woman better than me, even just because of the trust we have between us, so it's pretty much a purely theoretical fantasy.

>>84254552
100% groomed. A 27yo has nothing to share with a kid that age, and that kind of relationship can't happen "naturally". Disgusting, sorry. Not your fault, of course. Sorry you've been through that l.

What's the point of 'shit tests' do they know no man would pass if it weren't for men all trading stories and eventually finding each correct response by trial and error. I've yet to see one guy who just effortlessly understands women unless they've already heard a story about the same thing happening to some other guy before.

>>84257689
>>84257935
I think that whatever gets popular online gets misrepresented by a loud few. I'm sure some of you feel misrepresented by how media portrays you guys as well which is often within the lines of "women hating incels that think women deserve to be raped". Sure, there are some people who genuinely think that and I have seen people write that sort of stuff here and everyone just lets it slide but I would hope most men here don't think like that or believe that.

Same is happening with feminism. I don't go out of my way to call myself a feminist because of those few bad apples but my beliefs would align with what other "more down to earth" feminists I talked to believe - and it's much more tame than what you'd expect. Like when people talk about "toxic masculinity" it's not an attack on men. I think oftentimes men hear those words and assume they're being attacked but that whole thing is also dealing with toxic treatment towards men (often times by other men but also women). "Men should not cry", "don't be a pussy", "if a man has a feminine hobby, he is gay" that's toxic masculinity, and idea that a man has to act a certain way only. Men shouldn't feel ashamed for what they like (I have many masculine hobbies and I've never been called gay for it), they should be allowed to talk about their emotions openly, they shouldn't be forced into something just because "it's a mans job". I think mens issues are considered in the movement but when women speak up about it - it usually gets shut down by men because they feel attacked, like we're trying to strip away their masculinity which was never the case. They were just saying there isn't one way to be a man and we shouldn't force that one idea on every man. Obviously some people took this idea and ran on the other toxic side with it but if you take your time to research toxic masculinity you'll see the core of it is actually a movement for men.

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>>84260181
>I've yet to see one guy who just effortlessly understands women
I do but I'm just very woman-brained for some reason
answering your question women are extremely neurotic and they can't help themselves overthink things

>>84254552
If you were legal (depending on the state) then it comes down to if he loved you for you or loved you for your age. Did you love him for him?

>>84258358
>Why do you guys get uncomfortable as fuck and scared of random guys like me for no reason?
I don't think I'm personally scared of random men but I've also been told I'm pretty oblivious and too trusting of people.
I just don't assume everyone is out to get me. However, I understand that a lot of women have bad past experiences.

What may play a part is being aware of how easily we can be overpowered physically.
I worked with autistic children for a short while and have been attacked by a 16 year old boy (no fault of his own, he can't control it).
I was shaking by the end of it because I couldn't get out no matter how much I tried. He pulled my hair full force down until I was facing ground and I couldnt get him off of me. He was biting my hair off and when I finally got out of his hold I noticed his mouth was full of my hair.
That made me more aware of how easily a man could harm me if he wanted to. I couldn't even get a skinny 16 year old off of me.

I think a lot of men here choose not to engage with women because they could harm them socially (with false accusations and such) and women choose not to engage with men because they could harm them physically. It's just bad experiences from past in the end I think.

>>84260198
i hate this talk about toxic masculinity because it's not men reenforcing toxic masculine traits it is women.
they are the ones that highly select for these traits whether consciously or not. It's better for men to be bullied into discarding or adapting certain traits than for them to end up as incels.
heterosexual men are not allowed to escape their traditional gender roles and when you don't tell them this you're just making their lives worse and being a huge prick

>>84258455
Seems like she's into you, honestly

>>84260265
this is an unusual way to think. women irl just presume men approach them in order to pump and dump that's why they're rude to men they find ugly

>>84258693
I see nothing wrong with this style but I don't have preferences on what my friends wear.
It looks stylish. I don't know much about style.

>>84258725
>Hey thanks for these responses I was the same guy I hope you don't take to heart the negative responses
Not at all! I've been on r9k for a very long time and I must admit, it's much easier to talk to guys on here these days and there aren't that many negative responses. 10 years ago, if you only mentioned you're female in any context you'd be met with "TITS OR GTFO" and wouldn't be able to have productive conversations such as these.
I'm not sure what changed so much, maybe it's a different generation of men entirely but I do appreciate the change and the ability to have interesting conversations with you guys.

I do have a somewhat busy life nowadays and I'm not online as much as I used to be but if you do want to stay in touch, we could totally be online friends and keep on talking (if you're over the age, I don't wanna make it weird).

>>84258804
For sure. I think we should focus more on our similarities rather than our differences.
I think both men and women sometimes dehumanize "the other side".
But really, we're all human beings wanting to love and be loved, just doing our best with what we were given.

>I think communication is super important but the issue is that sometimes when you talk about communication it risks scaring someone off and making them avoid you or ghost you... What do you do with that situation
I think a relationship without good communication is only a surface level relationship. You can't have deep love and understanding for someone if they never open up to you. If communication scares someone off I take that as a sign that they've had bad experiences with it in the past so I try to be mindful of it and make them feel safe and secure. I let them know I'm not trying to use what they share with me against them, I have no bad intentions. I think that's what some men fear, that I'll take what they tell me when they're vulnerable and I'll use it to hurt them later. It's important to never do that. To keep showing up for them with both words and actions. If after all, they still don't trust you, there is nothing more you can do about it. You're only a human too, you can't solve every issue someone may have. If they ghost you, well ... you can rest well knowing you've done your best.
> and do you think there's sometimes an uneven burden between males and females in terms of who fears the relationship ending?
Could you please word this differently for me, I'm not sure I understand correctly. (English is not my first language)

>>84253899
I would say that I'm more of going my way, but I wouldn't be against getting a gf. The reasons is because I don't really seek out companionship and I don't think that I would be a good boyfriend, husband or father for that matter. Most of the times I just don't care, I know that I won't get a girl so why should I care. The crazy thing is that I don't hate kids and believe that they should be taken care of since they are our future.

>>84253899
funny, good conversationalist, if not a nerdy introvert at least won't judge me for being autistic. willing to do things and spend time together

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does any man here have a family and wife and stable household (if you didn't, though, would you ever have a crush on your mid 20s female, shy, bashful, obedient coworker? i ask gemini and it tells me about somatic responses and bs like that but i can't ask any irl man.

>>84260432
no for the first
yes for the second

>>84253860
question for women
would you be down to call your future boyfriend and husband (me), daddy in bed? if he asked you to

>>84260432
>if you didn't, though, would you ever have a crush on your mid 20s female, shy, bashful, obedient coworker?
I get a crush on all women I find attractive and get slightly chatty with.
I then try gaslighting myself into thinking I don't and am not a pathetic retard

>>84260432
>does any man here have a family and wife and stable household
Kinda? Fiancee, stable household I guess that counts?
>if you didn't, though, would you ever have a crush on your mid 20s female, shy, bashful, obedient coworker?
Ew no, why would I want that? I've got a beautiful, smart, mature, confident woman at home. Stay away with that teenager shit about shy obedient bashfulness, it's not as cute as you think. I'm 30, I'm too old for that shit.

>>84260475
guys dont care if a woman is unintelligent, immature, insecure as long as they are beautiful. 30 is not old. im talking like if you were 40 something.

>>84260445
>>84260450
thank you. very nice.

>>84260475
this is the gigachad of r9k

>>84260531
>guys dont care if a woman is unintelligent, immature, insecure as long as they are beautiful.
maybe if we're trying to have a casual hook up. If we are looking for something serious however these traits all matter much more than being beautiful

>>84259888
This is such a good post, thank you for replying.
I'm already aware of this and have seen it play out in real life. I think it's important to let the men in our lives know they're appreciated and be there for them when they need it, not just coming from us women but other men too.

> Most failed men are the way they are because they have never gotten thanks or help or shown how to do things.
Although I have to say, I only get shown how to do stuff when I ask. I have noticed that women are more willing to ask for help when they need it while men try to figure it out on their own. That may play a role.

> Purpose and Appreciation is the what most men seek really.
As do we all. I'm not trying to turn this around and make it about women, I think I'm trying to point out that we have a lot of shared struggles too, to some degree. A lot of women also feel underappreciated, especially mothers, who are often taking over most of the household work even if they also have full time jobs. I see a lot of women on reddit complaining about this. Like, if a father is looking after their child a mother would hear comments about how such a great father he is for taking care of the kid while she may be doing it 90% of other time and she doesn't get any praise for it because "it's what she's supposed to be doing" as if they're not both equally parents. There are a lot of videos now coming out with women trying to have 15 minutes to themselves to do makeup and they would record it only for their husband to keep bringing the baby to the mother because they don't want to care for it alone for 15 minutes.

So maybe the point is that we should appreciate people in our lives more overall and show them care with both words and actions.
I'm a bit of a rush so I'm hoping this still does make sense. Im sorry if I missed any points.

>>84260559
>A lot of women also feel underappreciated, especially mothers, who are often taking over most of the household work even if they also have full time jobs.
>So maybe the point is that we should appreciate people in our lives more overall and show them care with both words and actions.
this is very sweet I will be telling my mom how much I love and appreciate her after this

>>84260475
>>does any man here have a family and wife and stable household
I have a stable household, because full time job, all that. And our family. Except I have no wife and no children myself.
>if you didn't, though, would you ever have a crush on your mid 20s female, shy, bashful, obedient coworker?
this answer to this quetion is irrelevant, because having a crush does not mean anything in itself. What is even a crush? A man would want to fuck a woman? That's a regular occurence, most men just never act upon it. Females really have no idea how how horny men are. If you are a man you are simply used to it.
In the current general socio-economic climate hitting on your co-worker, generally speaking, is an action that has to be thoroughly thought through. Because risks completely outweigh the benfits and it isn't even close. Because one wrong approach has the potential to turn
>does any man a stable household
to a
>homeless bum burdened by bad debt
This is what happens when you are 40 and single. You just jerk off to a fantasy a few times and move on with your life until you see another attractive female you will jerk off too.

TL;DR: Risking a career, social standing, workplace atmosphere simply is not worth it.

>>84260198
I get all the stuff about toxic masculinity not being an attack on men, I oppose gender roles. But these days, at least with younger feminist females, it's become a lot more common to lean into genuine man hate, and moving away from the anti gender roles stuff into the realm of "actually men SHOULD perform traditional gender roles, just in a way where women are advantages rather than men", and mocking non traditional men even harsher than regular men. The so called "reactionary feminism" is becoming pretty popular among younger folks

>>84260567
That's so sweet, I love that!

>>84261972
Well that's a real shame honestly. I didn't see much of that happening personally but I do trust you that it is happening and I most certainly don't support it.

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Femanons,
If you want a bf then how would you like to be approached and in what kind of setting?
Also what would make you want to approach a guy?

>>84262216
>If you want a bf then how would you like to be approached and in what kind of setting?
By far the best way to meet someone is at college. Once you have a friend group, there is always crushing between group members happening. You spend hours with these people, go to coffee together between classes etc.

If this isn't an option, then some other social gathering. For example, in my town there are places for people who are into tabletop games and cards to hang out. I've met so many great people there. Basically any place where you can come back to regularly so you build trust and friendship with the person you're interested in is great.

I'd want to be friends with a guy before he makes a move personally.

>Also what would make you want to approach a guy?
I like to be flirty with the person I like. Not too direct but enough that you'd know.
What makes me approach a guy is the vibe we have between us. I love it when conversations flow easily and naturally with someone, I love when a guy has interesting hobbies that he can tell me about, I also love a guy who can banter a little bit. Usually just being really good friends builds that sexual tension over time.

>>84254188
>A week later some of my female coworkers saw me flirting with a girl at work and made a big deal about how it was 'inappropriate' and got me fired from my job. I was homeless for some time after that and no women tried to consul me.
Kwab deserved for being a simping wimp retard. Know your place as a sub5, retard

>>84260198
>Same is happening with feminism. I don't go out of my way to call myself a feminist because of those few bad apples but my beliefs would align with what other "more down to earth" feminists I talked to believe - and it's much more tame than what you'd expect. Like when people talk about "toxic masculinity" it's not an attack on men.
you don't have to go as far as to equate feminism and toxic masculinity with someone who thinks women don't deserve human rights... i understand why you do this to go out of your way to try and communicate and i actually greatly appreciate your efforts; it's much further than i as a man am willing to go with toxic men
THAT BEING SAID
i wanna know how you and other women you know react to actual genuine men who appreciate feminism (i've reade de beauvoir, citroux, even bell hooks) and want a relationship with back-and-forth where there doesn't have to be these defined roles where the woman can take the lead sometimes and the man can be emotional etc. etc. that breaks these stereotypes (which i think are part of toxic masculinity)
in other words--what do you think when a dude invites you to go to the local protest or something or try to do outreach for a social movement etc.? do you think guys like that 'deserve' a chance to date someone nice? is it wrong for us to feel a bit resentful about being lumped in with the admittedly huge amount of toxic guys who get taken in by the 'red pill' and right-wing politics?
ugh idk if that made sense or not but i really appreciated your comments so far and you've put in so much effort but i just want you to know that there's also a lot of dudes out there who DON'T AGREE with the brainrot reactionary shit and we are ALSO LONELY!

>>84260341
haha well it's nice that you feel it's gotten better sometimes i feel that way and sometimes i feel the opposite but maybe some of it is just people being sick of the performative stale stereotypical cliches, idk
oh wow okay uh sure maybe yeah
manikmanga
see if that works

>>84253899
I want an asian gf that is mildly autistic and has interests that aren't niggerball, the latest capeshit or whatever jewish propaganda on social media. That's it.

>>84260403
>> and do you think there's sometimes an uneven burden between males and females in terms of who fears the relationship ending?
>Could you please word this differently for me, I'm not sure I understand correctly. (English is not my first language)
the idea being that, as you said earlier i think, it's obviously the case that these are human issues that affect lots of people, men and women... but i was wondering if you think sometimes at least with the types of people who post here, that in a hypothetical friendship/relationship between a man and a woman, the man is more likely to worry about losing or scaring off the woman (even by bringing up a need for more or better communication) than vice versa...
ironically the stereotype is often that women care about and demand more communication, so this is why i am asking because in my experience it seems that maybe the imbalance is the other way due to the man needing/wanting the woman more than the woman wants the man and so she is not willing to fight as hard or endure discomfort or be okay with someone being vulnerable because if the relationship ends she's already got someone else lined up as a replacement...
but that could be completely wrong; it's why i'm asking you
a lot of this has to do with various attachment issues of course
does that make more sense?

>>84254006
I think it's amusing, because I don't have penis envy but hey, at least you are not AGP, wants to eat shit or fuck kids
>>84254306
No. Definitely not. I would get the ick from him
>>84254362
I don't get fake nails, they are a sensory nightmare for me
>>84254394
A laid back boyfriend would be cool, as long he loved me and didn't cheat
>>84255422
Zero

>>84263011
very acceptable answers
especially the last one
well i guess if you want virgins you've come to the right place lol

>>84253899
Someone pretty, agreeable, loves me, takes interest in the things I likes, has stuff in common, white, cute, has a sexy body, doesn't care about education or job very much. Etc.

Oki since this is quite a trendy topic in the catalog...

Women: do you own any sex toys? If he's. wich ones? How often do you use them? Do you use them alone and/or with a partner? Would you still enjoy sex without them?

question for women:
how rough would you let a guy be during sex before youre like okay this is way too much for me, like do you have any hard limit ranging from spanking to choking to slapping etc

>>84255485
good answer, this is hope fuel
>>84256006
well, that's nice to hear
how do i find someone like you?
because i've been craving emotional intimacy desu

>>84253860
Question for women:
Would you like a guy who enjoys going out with you to find cute outfits thrifting and vintage market pop-ups and dressing each other up and then posing for him as his muse to draw you and flirting with/teasing each other about being embarrassed in the clothes you choose?
Because that's something i kinda dream about but i don't know how to find a girl specifically into that sort of thing even though i would think it would be something a lot of girls would like.

>>84260293
Hey, sorry I'm late, I felt like I was never going to get a response.
Now she's busy as hell and I feel a bit snubbed since she only showed up for 10 minutes the other day. I'm not gonna attempt a damn thing at this point.

But I wanted to know if I should if she's ever not busy.

>>84253873
>How do you actually feel about women overall?
They aren't equal to men but I wish they could be. I don't like how much they are attracted to what ultimately male superiority - stature, size, strength, status, etc. The greatest love is between equals.