>>84320244
Being gay is an unforgivable sin anon. If you were gay at any point in life you're going to hell no matter what.

>But Christ forgives

Thats the Jewish version of Christianity.

Cults always resent desertors

people hate a coward

>>84320244
>ex-gay testimony
You are bisexual. There is no such thing as an "ex-gay".

>>84320261
>Matthew 12:31
>Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
The Word of God itself disagrees with you.

>>84320268
This is a sensible answer. I'm just so glad I left.

>>84320270
I'm a coward for choosing to do the hard thing because it is right? I'm a coward for abstaining from sin?

>>84320287
You're wrong. Even the LGBT+ mafia disagrees with you. By their very own logic, sexual orientation can and does change. Look up "abrosexual."

Apostasy is a one way ticket to hell in pretty much all religions. Betrayal was the last level of dante's inferno. You get a lesser sentence in court if you kill your spouse in rage while catching them cheating.

Despite what any group or type of people might say the most desirable trait or virtue a person has, the actions of humans dictates loyalty is the most important.

>>84320244
This is /pol/ bait, nobody with a wife and kids is posting on this god forsaken board

>>84320337
My loyalty to Christ has never faltered. What are you trying to say here?

>>84320345
I've been married for just over a year.

>>84320347
They hate you because you betrayed them.

You remind them that acting out your gayness is a choice

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>>84320244
What a repulsive thing to post. What is wrong with you, freak? You actually just admitted to being part of a mass child rape cult as if it's normal?

>>84320268
According to the child rape cult Christianity, child abuse is commanded by an invisible man in the sky. For example in their holy abuse book, at Proverbs 13:24 it says: "He who spares his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him promptly."
In other words, it is commanded in the Christcult to brutally assault your own children. What a fucked up excuse for a religion.

>>84320244
>What causes this?
You're to gays what being a tranny is to women, someone pretending to be something they're not.
Also pretending to believe in god has gotten really old. No one's buying it, you're not fooling anyone. You should hope that there truly is no god cuz he will not look kindly on you wearing the feathers of piety dishonestly.

>>84320336
>Using the word of God to prove the word of god

>>84320359
Why don't they simply give up their lifestyle as well instead of getting mad at me?

>>84320366
It's so fascinating to me that these people demand that the whole world pretend alongside them that their sin is normal and natural instead of just...not sinning anymore. Which seems like the logical thing to do.

>>84320368
>>84320379
Is this sarcastic? Aren't homosexuals orders of magnitude more likely to abuse children than anyone else?

>>84320386
I am not pretending at all. I've devoted my life to Christ and am trying my very best to live by His principles.

>>84320445
You can't disprove any of it.

>>84320244
>Why do homosexuals get so angry when you share your ex-gay testimony?
I got sober about a year ago and see almost the same reactions from a lot of drug users when I tell them about my journey, especially the ones most in denial about being addicted.

They are mad because OP is ascending from illegally touching boys and might become a priest himself so he can legally touch boys

>>84320244
>What causes this?
Most people don't like stupid liars with bad bait.

>>84320456
>I am not pretending at all
Again, you're not fooling anyone. I know what believers are like, and you're not like that.
You should hope that there truly is no god cuz he will not look kindly on you wearing the feathers of piety dishonestly.

>>84320458
People living in sin really hate to see you save yourself when they don't want to. Congratulations, anon. Please keep it up.

>>84320470
That's a horrible thing to say. I'll pray for you.

>>84320478
The very concept of abstaining from sin can't be that brain-breaking for you, anon.

>>84320482
What does the ideal believer look like to you, then? There is no such thing as a homosexual Christian. You may choose Christ, or you may choose sin. One or the other. It's a Boolean operation, not a sliding scale.

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>>84320244
exgay is a myth
You convinced yourself that your natural sexual urges towards adult men were some how evil because some jewish desert cult said so
The truth is you will always have sexual attraction to men, it's not going anywhere
All you did was repress it, you aren't getting rid of it

And now you're avoiding your own natural sexual urges to appease a sadistic god that will hate you regardless
Which is pretty cuckold behavior

>>84320601
I don't really even know where to begin with this one.
>exgay is a myth
Tell that to the millions of people that can tell you from firsthand experience that you are wrong.
>You convinced yourself that your natural sexual urges towards adult men
If you're implying homosexuality is somehow natural, why can't two men create a child together? Why do homosexual men make up the overwhelming majority of HIV infections? Why do homosexual men have such a strong propensity toward mental illness and personality disorders? Substance abuse, suicidal ideation, domestic violence, I could go on all day. This isn't natural. Nothing about this is part of God's plan and this seems clear as day.
>were some how evil because some jewish desert cult said so
Do you note that Jesus Christ is one of the most heavily documented people throughout all of human history? He is proven to have existed and performed miracles as they were described. What more could convince you of His divinity?
>The truth is you will always have sexual attraction to men, it's not going anywhere
Temptation will always persist, yes, but that does not mean you should just give in to it. Temptation exists to fortify will.
>All you did was repress it, you aren't getting rid of it
You should study how neural pathways work. The less you reinforce them, the more they begin to atrophy.
>And now you're avoiding your own natural
Again, very much not natural.
>sexual urges to appease a sadistic god
Just because God works in ways you can't fully comprehend in your finite existence doesn't mean he's a sadist.
>that will hate you regardless
God is love. He does not hate.
>Which is pretty cuckold behavior
You are very lost.

>>84320244
You can't be ex-gay. You're either bi or you locked yourself back in the closet, lol. Not that it's any of my business but if you are a closet fag you'll spend the rest of your life knowing deep inside that you're living a lie.

>>84320244
I'm angry cuz a literal fag gets more pussy than me

>>84320514
>What does the ideal believer look like to you, then
They don't hang around on 4chan. You're not a believer if you're on this website. It's just not what believers do.

>One or the other
It's no exactly a mystery which one you are kek, cuz you obviously don't believe in god.
Anyway you can stop responding to me, there's nothing you could say to convince me you believe in god. It's clear as day that you don't, and you just want what little Christian privilege there's left.

>>84320482
Lmfao @ atheists trying to tell Christians what their religion says.

>>84320679
What gives you the authority to say something like that? Do you know for a fact that human sexuality is fixed and cannot be changed over time? I can't name a single other aspect of the brain that isn't malleable, so why would sexuality not be subject to change?

>>84320697
You should think about women as partners in life, not tally marks to add to your scoreboard. Find one woman and commit to her.

>>84320708
>They don't hang around on 4chan. You're not a believer if you're on this website. It's just not what believers do.
Your mind is very closed. I come to this website because I appreciate having access to a forum to which you don't have to sign up. You don't have to make an account or give away any personal information in order to engage in conversation. In a world where freedom of speech is increasingly restricted and getting attacked by an angry mob for having unpopular views is increasingly common, the structure of this website is important to me. It's also important to me that I commune with sinners; hanging around believers exclusively doesn't save anyone. You can't afford to be squeamish about these things.
>It's no exactly a mystery which one you are kek, cuz you obviously don't believe in god.
Why do you find it so difficult to believe that a 4chan user could be anything other than an atheist?
>Anyway you can stop responding to me, there's nothing you could say to convince me you believe in god. It's clear as day that you don't, and you just want what little Christian privilege there's left.
I'm not going to stop conversing with you, but I am not going to try to convince you of things you're too stubborn to acknowledge.

>>84320784
Care to post that one image?

>>84320811
>Your mind is very closed
My mind is open precisely the right amount, and I'm correct about you.

>Why do you find it so difficult to believe that a 4chan user could be anything other than an atheist?
Oh you could easily be a Hindu, but you're not a Christian. Sorry, work on your LARP some more.

>>84320850
>My mind is open precisely the right amount
Which I'm assuming you mean is not at all?
>Oh you could easily be a Hindu, but you're not a Christian.
I am. I don't know what else to tell you but you're wrong.

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>>84320670
>Tell that to the millions of people that can tell you from firsthand experience that you are wrong.
By that logic the democrats can't be wrong since they form millions of people


>If you're implying homosexuality is somehow natural
It is
Homosexuality has been with us since the dawn of humanity
Just because two fags can't reproduce doesn't mean it isn't natural, dipshit

>What more could convince you of His divinity?
Maybe if that kike came back in the modern age where we could record his miracle through photo and video
It isn't exactly impossible for men two thousand years ago to forge documents saying some jew performed a miracle, especially not since Christianity was invented by the roman empire to control its citizens

>Temptation exists to fortify will.
technically yes, but it shouldn't have to be a "temptation" since there's nothing wrong with same sex attraction
It should just be an urge

>The less you reinforce them, the more they begin to atrophy.
Alcoholics will never not be alcoholics
People with OCD will never not have OCD
You can repress it but it'll never completely go away

>doesn't mean he's a sadist.
God allows unimaginable, torturous suffering to exist such as with the cases of Albert Fish and Peter Scully
There is no reason to have a little girl get raped, tortured and killed but god allows it
The creator of this world is the demiurge

>He does not hate.
You had to change yourself for him or he'd send you to hell
Kinda crazy how god will forgive all these criminals as long as they repent but not believing in him will send you straight to hell

>You are very lost.
I am guided by angels who talk to me
Your only guidance is a book thats been written, rewritten and edited by men

>>84320912
>tfw bisexual alcoholic with OCD

>>84320336
>but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
What exactly does this mean?

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unless you change and become like children. not actual children.

tiny tits. tiny schmeckle.

enjoy your stay

>>84320985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m0bI82Rz_k&list=RD_m0bI82Rz_k&start_radio=1

>>84320244
heres my ex gay story
>call a faggot a faggot
>faggot projects his fairy on me
>calls me a faggot for calling him a faggot
>log off
>gf in bed naked waiting for me
>penis gets hard
>fuck the pussy
>cum deep inside
>whos the faggot now, faggot?

>>84321016
faggotry not fairy msorry im phoneposting :/

>>84320912
>By that logic the democrats can't be wrong since they form millions of people
Your logic is closer to saying a democrat could never become a republican or vice versa.
>It is
Homosexuality is not natural, nor is it God's design.
>Homosexuality has been with us since the dawn of humanity
So has sin, almost. That doesn't make it good to indulge in.
>Just because two fags can't reproduce doesn't mean it isn't natural, dipshit
That's very much what it means.
>Maybe if that kike came back in the modern age where we could record his miracle through photo and video
So the millions of historical records isn't enough? What will you say when He dos return and it's too late for you?
>It isn't exactly impossible for men two thousand years ago to forge documents saying some jew performed a miracle, especially not since Christianity was invented by the roman empire to control its citizens
So you think all of the countless accounts of Jesus' existence from people who never met each other or knew about each other's existence, and that do not contradict even once, were all forged?
>technically yes, but it shouldn't have to be a "temptation" since there's nothing wrong with same sex attraction
Yes, there is. Men were designed for women, and women for men. Some people are given homosexual temptations for reasons that it's not my place to know but again that does not mean you should simply be a homosexual. Should pedophiles simply give in to their desires?
>It should just be an urge
There's no discernible difference, really. Not all urges are good or healthy.
>Alcoholics will never not be alcoholics
Not true. If you go 30 years without drinking, it's extremely unlikely you'll want to drink so much you can no longer resist.
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>>84320912
>>84321199
>People with OCD will never not have OCD
What do you think Cognitive Behavioral Therapy consists of? Deliberately atrophying many of the neurological pathways that lead to OCD.
>You can repress it but it'll never completely go away
I disagree. You can correct your homosexuality with enough discipline and commitment. And even if you can't, that doesn't mean you should simply give up and live a homosexual lifestyle anyway.
>God allows unimaginable, torturous suffering to exist such as with the cases of Albert Fish and Peter Scully
It's not your place to judge or question God's decisions. All He does is inherently just. Just because you can't understand everything He does doesn't mean the things He does are wrong.
>There is no reason to have a little girl get raped, tortured and killed but god allows it
You don't know why God does the things He does, nor are you meant to.
>The creator of this world is the demiurge
I'll pray for you.
>You had to change yourself for him or he'd send you to hell
Hell is separation from God. It's not a "place" you "go" to. He does not "send" you there; Hell is a destination you decide on. You choose it. I chose salvation.
>Kinda crazy how god will forgive all these criminals as long as they repent but not believing in him will send you straight to hell
How does that not inspire comfort for you?
>I am guided by angels who talk to me
No comment.
>Your only guidance is a book thats been written, rewritten and edited by men
You should repent before it's too late, anon. I'll pray for you.
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>>84320941
It means blasphemers will not be forgiven. It is the only unforgivable sin. All else can be repented for and forgiven.

>>84320985
I don't understand what this means.

>>84321016
That's really vulgar and I won't respond to it.

>itt faggots and repressed faggots argue over which hard drug is most comparable to gay sex addiction (totally normal and healthy because the dsm said so)

>>84320336
>choosing to do the hard thing
Accepting yourself and living authentically in a heteronormative world would be the hard thing actually. Locking yourself in the closet is actually the cowardly way

>>84321228
>It means blasphemers will not be forgiven. It is the only unforgivable sin. All else can be repented for and forgiven.
but everyone has blasphemed. there for everyone is going to hell and jesus died for nothing

>>84320336
>God itself

Curious phrasing anon

>>84320345
I actually have two ex wives and 2 kids with each of them, plus a third wife

>>84320670
>proven to have performed miracles as they were described.
LMAO
>What more could convince you of His divinity?
LMAO

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>>84321199
>Homosexuality is not natural
The evidence suggests otherwise
Homosexuality is present throughout human history and is found in hundreds of species

>So has sin,
The only true sin is ignorance
Ignorance is the root of all suffering

>So the millions of historical records isn't enough?
There aren't millions of documents of christ
That doesn't even make any sense
Most people in the Levant were poor and illiterate
The documents that do exist of christ don't prove the miracles he supposedly performed

>were all forged?
Jesus himself existed but his supernatural abilities did not occur
His miracles could easily have been forged
Idk why god thought it would be better to send his son to perform miracles and die for our sins at a time where human technology was primitive and the global population was only in the millions
You'd think now would be a much better time for a miracle performing savior

>Some people are given homosexual temptations for reasons that it's not my place to know
Basically what you're saying is god made you a faggot but demanded you change to be straight
Makes total sense

>Should pedophiles simply give in to their desires?
Pedophilia harms children physically and mentally
Consensual same sex sexual intercourse does not

>Not true
I have never met an alcoholic who was ever cured of their addiction
Moreso I have never met someone with a mental disorder who was ever completely cured of their disorder

>>84321360
>Consensual same sex sexual intercourse does not
pride, gluttony, adultery
just because something feels good doesn't mean it IS good

>>84321374
>>84321360
and lust lol

>>84321261
The homosexual lifestyle is a hedonistic one. There is nothing courageous about defiance of God. Indulgence in sin is cowardly. Denying the flesh is the hard thing to do.

>>84321316
>but everyone has blasphemed.
This is certainly not true.

>>84321318
The Word is not a person.

>>84321338
You can't disprove any of it because it's true.

>>84321391
>This is certainly not true.
then I need you to tell me the definition

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>>84321210
>that lead to OCD.
No one will ever be cured of a mental disorder
Every therapist or doctor will tell you this
You can treat it but it will never be cured

>You can correct your homosexuality with enough discipline and commitment.
You literally can not
the best you can do is repress it, but you will always have homosexual urges

>All He does is inherently just
Well that's clearly not the fucking case since he allows little children to be raped and murdered, but I wouldn't put it past an abrahamic cuckold like yourself to defend allowing child rape and murder to persist

>You don't know why God does the things He does
You are true since I have yet to acheive true gnosis
But godly knowledge is possible to obtain

>How does that not inspire comfort for you?
Your "heaven" is full of rapists, pedophiles, serial killers, drug addicts and dealers etc but, again, as a cuckold you probably have no problem sharing a divine afterlife with narcoterrorists because they were catholic

>You should repent before it's too late,
yeah sure I'll get right on that

>>84321360
>The evidence suggests otherwise
>Homosexuality is present throughout human history
Again, so is sin.
>and is found in hundreds of species
Coprophagia is also found in many species. Should we all consume our own waste? No. We weren't designed for that. We are not animals.
>The only true sin is ignorance
This isn't true biblically.
>There aren't millions of documents of christ
I'm speaking figuratively. I just mean that there are countless records of His existence. He was absolutely real and virtually everything in the Bible is historically verified as true.
>The documents that do exist of christ don't prove the miracles he supposedly performed
There's ample evidence of Christ's divinity. Can you prove otherwise?
>Jesus himself existed but his supernatural abilities did not occur
>His miracles could easily have been forged
No, they could not have. I don't think you fully understand what you're talking about.
>Idk why god thought it would be better to send his son to perform miracles and die for our sins at a time where human technology was primitive and the global population was only in the millions
You don't need to.
>You'd think now would be a much better time for a miracle performing savior
I'm merely human. Of course I don't understand why God does the things he does, I'm nowhere near as infinite and powerful as He is. Just because I don't fully understand Him doesn't mean He doesn't exist.
>Basically what you're saying is god made you a faggot but demanded you change to be straight
>Makes total sense
How many times do I need to tell you that not everything God does needs to make perfect sense to you? If you knew everything God did, you'd go insane.
>Pedophilia harms children physically and mentally
Homosexuality harms adults physically and mentally. It also harms children. Kids need a mommy and daddy.
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>>84321360
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>I have never met an alcoholic who was ever cured of their addiction
>I have never met someone with a mental disorder who was ever completely cured of their disorder
That means nothing. This world is full of people you've never met. The implication that all mental illnesses are totally incurable or uncorrectable is laughable, and the attempt to compare homosexuality to alcoholism or, say, schizophrenia doesn't make homosexuality sound any more healthy or cool.

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>>84321374
>pride, gluttony, adultery
The majority of "christians" commit these sins
Go tell the average church going male that receiving blowjobs or lusting over attractive women is immoral

>just because something feels good doesn't mean it IS good
Sex is sex, it is what you make of it
It's as natural a need as eating, which is why abstinence is retarded. You're denying yourself of a basic need
Sex isn't good or bad unless your raping someone or fucking in front of people who don't want to see it

>>84321391
>The homosexual lifestyle is a hedonistic one
Not necessarily. Just like you can lead a hedonistic straight life, if you go over to /r9gay/ you'll see several homosexual celibates who are, by all means, living ascetic lives. You're not any less homosexual if you abstain from intercourse.
For all effects, coming out as a minority in a world that hates us isn't the easy thing at all. It's quite the challenge actually. It takes courage, self actualization, and inner peace.
Pretending to fit in in the mold of ancient religions so you can partake in their community and reap their rewards, that's way easier actually. After all you don't really have to abstain from hedonistic practices at all, you just need to wear the mask of self righteousness. That's probably why you are talking about god in the most degenerate corner of the internet.
You aren't really "denying the flesh". You are actually indulging in the practice of proselytism, of moral grandstanding, and casting judgement. Those are all very easy to do, and they do serve your flesh. Just a different part of your flesh, your own ego and the tribalism that comes with belonging to a cult.

>>84321440
>No one will ever be cured of a mental disorder
>Every therapist or doctor will tell you this
>You can treat it but it will never be cured
That doesn't even sound true at all. Not a single mental illness is curable? Not one?
>You literally can not
Yes, you can. I'm living proof. You don't get to tell other people what their sexual orientations are.
>the best you can do is repress it, but you will always have homosexual urges
No. No. No.
>Well that's clearly not the fucking case since he allows little children to be raped and murdered,
As I said, all God does is inherently just even if we don't like it. He is incapable of wrongdoing. If a human did any of that, yes, it would be wrong, but God cannot be faulted.
>but I wouldn't put it past an abrahamic cuckold like yourself to defend allowing child rape and murder to persist
I'm not defending it, I'm just stating a fact. Morality applies only to humans, not to God. He's above the laws He set for us.
>You are true since I have yet to acheive true gnosis
>But godly knowledge is possible to obtain
Are you saying you think you know more than God does?
>Your "heaven" is full of rapists, pedophiles, serial killers, drug addicts and dealers etc but, again, as a cuckold you probably have no problem sharing a divine afterlife with narcoterrorists because they were catholic
All can be redeemed. If that doesn't bring you peace, nothing will.
>You should repent before it's too late,
>yeah sure I'll get right on that
Please, do.

>>84321494
>The majority of "christians" commit these sins
And they apologize through continued prayer. Do you think Christians don't think they are capable of sin?
>Sex is sex, it is what you make of it
This is truly one of the most evil and degenerate things you've said in this thread so far.

>>84321506
>cult
You're just as much of a cultist as him
Being mentally ill in public doesnt take courage, self actualization and inner peace
Would you call some crackhead schizophrenic taking his clothes off and intimidating people courageous?

>>84320244
>ex-gay
I could change your mind

>>84321394
Blasphemy is defined as the act or offense of speaking sacrilegiously about God or other sacred things, but in this context it's more about intent than mere profanity in a broader sense. I personally was raised in an environment where I was afraid to even say "Oh my God" and instead substituted for "gosh," and even that felt dangerous for me to say so I said it very sparingly, but even that doesn't really count as blasphemy. Blasphemy would be more like lecturing people at length about how God either does not exist or is evil in the genuine attempt to sway Christians away from their faith. That would be unforgivable.

>>84321506
>Proverbs 18:22
>"He who finds a wife finds a good thing and receives favor from the LORD"
You are meant to find a wife. That is how you are supposed to live. Defying this plan for personal satisfaction is inherently hedonistic. It's cowardly.
You are not brave for only doing what you want to do.

>>84321494
>The majority of "christians" commit these sins
"everyone sins". I hope you don't think you are the first person to figure this out. you can read the first three chapters of genesis to see that people have known that long before you "figured it out"
>Sex is sex, it is what you make of it
>It's as natural a need as eating, which is why abstinence is retarded.
and people make sin out of it the same way they do with food, money, power, internet
>You're denying yourself of a basic need
sex isn't a basic need. it exists so life can continue
>Sex isn't good or bad unless your raping someone
you are the only person to bring up rape. is it because you are upset? I find when I say or think bad things it's because I feel bad.
>or fucking in front of people who don't want to see it
like in a "pride" parade or a drag show?

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>>84321481
>Should we all consume our own waste?
Eating feces will result disease
Homosexuality doesn't give disease unless you're a retard who has unprotected sex with strangers

>This isn't true biblically.
Fuck the Bible, I really couldn't give a shit less what's in that old ass piece of fan fiction

>There's ample evidence of Christ's divinity
Provide it then

>No, they could not have
>be jacob, judea 2,000 years
>write that something happened even though it didn't
not that hard

>You don't need to.
It's an easy cop-out
>God does something immoral or just retarded
>"noooo you just can't understand his divine wisdom and shit"

>Just because I don't fully understand Him doesn't mean He doesn't exist.
I believe a god wxists, I just know that he is a sadistic cunt known as the demiurge

>How many times do I need to tell you
why would I believe in a god whose actions make no sense?
why would I believe in a god that does irrational or immoral shit and pretend everything is alright because my human knowledge is limited?

>Homosexuality harms adults physically and mentally
explain

>>84321547
You cannot give me eternal life.

>>84321555
>Blasphemy would be more like lecturing people at length about how God either does not exist or is evil in the genuine attempt to sway Christians away from their faith.
but I mocked god on the internet all the time and said horrible and hateful things. if my blasphemy can't be forgiven then why should i follow god

>>84321490
>That means nothing
I've met hundreds of alcoholics in my life through psych hospitals and halfway homes
I have a pretty good idea how they function

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>>84321532
>And they apologize
By that logic I can butt fuck as many twinks as I want but as long as I repent everything will be fine and I'll still get into heaven

>This is truly one of the most evil and degenerate things you've said in this thread so far.
It's the truth though
Just because your idea of morals is limited to whatever retarded bullshit is in the bible doesn't mean normal people castrate themselves like you

>>84321610
>By that logic I can butt fuck as many twinks as I want but as long as I repent everything will be fine and I'll still get into heaven
that would require you as accept that what you have done is wrong and then repent the a higher power. can you do either of those things?

>>84321580
I'd make sure it's worth it

>>84321525
>Not a single mental illness is curable? Not one?
Not 100%
everyone who suffers from mental illness will tell you that
You can reduce the symptoms but you'll still have the disorder no matter what

>all that other bullshit you wrote
I'm not believing in a god that allows or commits horrible acts
There are act that are objectively evil not only to human law but to the divine as well like murdering a child which god allows to persist

God is a sadist

>>84321657
>God is a sadist
eve then adam ate the apple

>>84321536
Choose your cults wisely. One cult tells you to live authentically. The other tells you that, if you don't join them, you will be punished eternally.
The glaring contrast shows you a deeply different philosophy of life, and a complete different set of priorities.

>>84321574
>sex isn't a basic need
It literally is though
The entire medical field considers sex as important as nuritment or heygeine

>like in a "pride" parade
Whenever you hear about sex happening at a "pride parade" it's usually just about the Folsom Street Fair which is a bondage sex fair in sanfran that only adults can attend and obviously you will see sex there

>I find when I say or think bad things it's because I feel bad.
wtf are you talking about
I was just stating the basic fact that sex isn't immoral if it's consensual

>>84321536
It's funny because jesus was actually a schizophrenic leashing out and intimidating the merchants at the temple which greatly contributed to his demise.

>>84320379
Why is a homosexual trying to compare a father educating his son to his own aberrant acts

>>84321622
>can you do either of those things?
As long as I can do whatever the fuck I want and still get into heaven

By your logic, those catholic narco terrorists in Mexico will get into heaven since they accept christ as their savior

>>84321579
>Eating feces will result disease
>Homosexuality doesn't give disease
>
>UNLESS
LOL. There it is. Eating feces is perfectly safe as long as you take the proper precautions. Should we all eat feces and just make sure we do it safely? No. What about donuts, should we eat nothing but donuts for the rest of our lives? After all, it does bring us joy, right? No. Should we all live the homosexual lifestyle? No. It's just fundamentally unhealthy.
>Fuck the Bible, I really couldn't give a shit less what's in that old ass piece of fan fiction
I'll pray for you.
>There's ample evidence of Christ's divinity
>Provide it then
Disprove it first. You'll just reject anything I bring you.

>be jacob, judea 2,000 years
>write that something happened even though it didn't
>not that hard
But how do you forge corroborations from people you've never come into contact with?
>You don't need to.
>It's an easy cop-out
>God does something immoral or just retarded
>"noooo you just can't understand his divine wisdom and shit"
Mocking the truth doesn't make it less true.
>I believe a god wxists, I just know that he is a sadistic cunt known as the demiurge
I'll pray for you.
>How many times do I need to tell you
why would I believe in a god whose actions make no sense?
Because he doesn't need to make sense to you.
>why would I believe in a god that does irrational or immoral shit and pretend everything is alright because my human knowledge is limited?
Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's irrational or immoral.
>Homosexuality harms adults physically and mentally
>explain
AIDS. Monkey pox. Every other STD. Pedophilia. Domestic violence. Substance abuse. Personality disorders. Mental disorders. Suicidal ideation. Suicide attempts. All disproportionately affecting homosexuals. It is very clearly, very obviously a broken lifestyle that brings people to early deaths. Homosexuals constantly have lower life expectancy.

>>84321668
You see, that only proves my point
God can forgive rapists, terrorists, pedophiles etc
But a bitch eating an apple? No, he could never forgive that and now humanity pays the price because of it

>>84321695
>It literally is though
>The entire medical field considers sex as important as nuritment or heygeine
it's literally no though. the medical field treats symptoms. it doesn't cure the soul
>Whenever you hear about sex happening at a "pride parade" it's usually just about the Folsom Street Fair which is a bondage sex fair in sanfran that only adults can attend and obviously you will see sex there
and they bring children
>wtf are you talking about
>I was just stating the basic fact that sex isn't immoral if it's consensual
you mentioned rape. that's a painful word and you used it when it isn't relevant

>>84321571
>Matthew 19:12
>12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it
I mean if you're going by the bible, you are meant to do a lot of things but most importantly, give your money to the preacher so it can safely reach Yahweh.

>>84321709
>As long as I can do whatever the fuck I want and still get into heaven
as long as you trully admit you sinned and every level, ask for help and beg for forgiveness. after that you have to let god judge you
>By your logic, those catholic narco terrorists in Mexico will get into heaven since they accept christ as their savior
people that do bad things don't accept the lord into their heart as their Father.

>>84321571
>only doing what you want to do.
But being part of the christian cult is what you want to do. Abandoning that cult to follow your own path is definitely a brave act that takes courage.

>>84321587
Blasphemy can still be forgiven in most cases, so there remains a chance.

>>84321588
This still means nothing.

>>84321610
>By that logic I can butt fuck as many twinks as I want but as long as I repent everything will be fine and I'll still get into heaven
No. You still have an imperative to try, in earnest, to avoid sin to the best of your ability. God knows your intention.
>It's the truth though
No, it isn't.

>>84321720
>But a bitch eating an apple? No, he could never forgive that and now humanity pays the price because of it
if you want forgiveness you need to ask. don't worry about adam and eve, but do learn from their mistakes

>>84321737
>Blasphemy can still be forgiven in most cases, so there remains a chanc
that contradicts what you said before and I don't understand

>>84321571
>That is how you are supposed to live
>If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me


Clearly you have some personal bias on which of the biblical verses you should obey literally and which you can ignore

>>84321633
Nothing is worth severing my relationship with Christ.

>>84321657
>everyone who suffers from mental illness will tell you that
This doesn't make any sense. People who aren't depressed anymore are still depressed, even if they aren't depressed, because once depressed always depressed? I don't think you know what you're talking about. You can absolutely be fully cured of at least some mental illnesses.
>I'm not believing in a god that allows or commits horrible acts
His existence doesn't hinge on whether or not you like Him or believe in Him. You will suffer for an eternity as a result of your ignorance and hubris. I'll pray for you, but unless you change I doubt it'll do much.
>There are act that are objectively evil not only to human law but to the divine as well like murdering a child which god allows to persist
You are blaming God for the wrongdoings of men. Would you rather not have free will at all?

>>84321685
One cult tells you to have sex with men's rectums, contract a life-threatening a disease, and suffer in misery for a lifetime before ending your bloodline forever. The other "cult" tells you to give your life to Christ and choose hope.
Choose wisely indeed.

>>84321571
following Yahweh plan to reap his promised rewards is for your personal satisfaction, though. Going against your religion out of theological disagreement does take courage. The courage to change beliefs. It's actually a brave thing specially for someone raised inside a cult.

>>84321798
Then you just don't know what you're missing out on

>>84321798
>One cult tells you to have sex with men's rectums
That's quite wrong from the get go, since anal intercourse is not a prerequisite for being LGBT. More like one cult tells you to live your personal truth. If you want to have sex with men's rectums, you should at least own that without having to pin it to others. But that takes courage, self actualization and inner peace.
The other cult just puts you in a constant state of war against yourself with threats of damnation. It's not that "hopeful" at all. It's honestly quite desperate, power hungry and controlling, like dystopian dictatorships and tyrannical systems usually are.

>>84321798
I like how you're more concerned about your relationship with christ than the relationship with your wife

>>84321695
>The entire medical field considers sex as important as nuritment or heygeine
Now you're just blatantly lying to these people. You know this isn't true.

>>84321720
Your arrogance is going to kill you. Change your heart before you end up in Hell.

>>84321723
This verse is out of context. But yes, do tithe.

>>84321733
Not wanting to spend eternity in turmoil is very different from wanting to have meaningless and unnatural sex with men.

>>84321758
Earlier I specifically said that in this context blasphemy refers only to a very specific type of speech, not just being hateful. You're probably fine, you just need to repent.

>>84321784
That verse is also out of context. It's more of a "cast the first stone" situation. It's a bluff. I don't think humans can be perfect, all have sinned, but we still must avoid sin where we can. That's the point.

>>84321716
>Eating feces is perfectly safe as long as you take the proper precautions.
Same sex intercourse is not going to automatically lead to a disease unlike eating feces
Having unprotected sex with strangers is a retarded thing to do that plenty of straights engage in as well
If two homos have monogamous sex, they aren't gonna catch anything

>Disprove it first.
Disprove what specifically?
Tell me which miracles to disprove

>mocking the truth
It's not the truth though
I know it as a fact because I have seen worlds past our own

>AIDS. Monkey pox. Every other STD.
Thats unprotected sex, which straights perform as well
>Pedophilia.
Anyone can be a pedophile
If all gays should lose the right to be gay because of the ones that are pedophiles then we wouldn't have catholic churches or synagogues
>Domestic violence.
Lesbian issue, don't care
>Substance abuse. >Personality disorders. >Mental disorders. >Suicidal ideation. >Suicide attempts.
This be explained simply by the fact that gays are still treated like shit by most people in this country
If you're constantly told what a failure or pervert you are, you probably are not going to be very happy

>>84321798
>contract a life-threatening a disease
It's funny how science actually gave us a practical cure to those diseases, while faith leads only to stagnation and dogma.
>Suffer in misery
You seem to be suffering in misery right now and you should blame your religion of suffering but abusive relationships do have a grasp on people that escapes reason.
Alas, gays can reproduce and sterile people exist.

>>84321843
>Same sex intercourse is not going to automatically lead to a disease unlike eating feces
drinking beer is not going to automatically lead to alcoholism

>>84321722
>and they bring children
Children are literally banned at Folsom you retard

>you mentioned rape
Because it was relevant to my post, you deranged nigger

>>84321848
>while faith leads only to stagnation and dogma.
don't need to cure a gay disease if no one catches it... because they committed sin
don't sin and don't get diseased, simple as

>>84321840
>Out of context
I love how to you, context only matters so you can ignore inconvenient rules that you don't want to follow. But you don't extend the same level of in-depth skepticism to the verses that you like.

>>84321857
>Children are literally banned at Folsom you retard
im literally not going to confirm if one specific pride parade is more or less gay than another. all gay is all bad all the time
>Because it was relevant to my post, you deranged nigger
its relevant to your post, but not relevant to you understanding god

>>84321732
>people that do bad things don't accept the lord into their heart as their Father.
and how can you decide that or decide what counts as "bad things"

>>84321803
I don't follow the Lord strictly for the rewards. I love my God and am choosing to sacrifice the desires of my flesh in order to better please Him. Denying God and instead choosing to have anonymous sex with strangers in direct defiance of His will is incredibly selfish and cowardly. It's an abomination.

>>84321810
I know exactly what I'm missing out on and I'm glad I'm missing out on it. No amount of pleasure from sin is worth the death of my spirit.

>>84321829
"Personal truth" is an oxymoron. Truth is objective, and the truth is that homosexuality is a sin. You can either choose eternal life, or choose a few decades of sin followed by eternal damnation. I don't know what else to tell you.

>>84321832
What's that supposed to mean?

>>84321840
>Not wanting to spend eternity in turmoil
That's completely self serving, and indulgent too. Regardless of what comes before, your decision prioritize your own happiness and wellbeing according to your own beliefs, and challenging that ingrained belief does take a great deal of courage.
At least you affirm what we all knew, that your faith is built around the threat of eternal damnation.

>>84321872
>and how can you decide that or decide what counts as "bad things"
you already know. thats why you are so angry at your Father

>>84321744
>You still have an imperative to try, in earnest, to avoid sin to the best of your ability
Then most church going men aren't getting into heaven since they'll never give up blowjobs or ogling women

>>84320336
>I'm a coward for choosing to do the hard thing because it is right? I'm a coward for abstaining from sin?
subjective vs objective. no need for the mental gymnastics.

>>84321873
If christ told you to cheat on your wife with me would you do it?

>>84321862
These diseases existed in nature for millions of years, as did syphilis and other STDs that commonly plagued humanity and heterosexuals for thousands of years before christianity.
Religion thrives on promises of a miraculous cure, but it was science that actually gave us that cure. While religion caused only delay and stagnation.

>>84321752
That doesn't really disprove the point I was making

God can forgive all of these horrible people who cause great earthly suffering to us humans but could never forgive Eve for eating a fucking apple and now all of humanity is paying the price for her mistake

>>84321899
and they are spread by people who hate God
god says
>no gay butt sex
you say
>no. imma gay and trans
then you get aids

you could just listen to good advice when you see it

>>84320336
>'m a coward for choosing to do the hard thing because it is right
Leaving the cult you were brought up into is actually the hard thing, while the inertia of staying inside a community you can belong to by wearing a mask is the easy one.
What makes one right and other wrong is entirely subjective though. But you're definitely choosing the easy path. Coming out is no easy deed for anyone raised into a cult. The shackles that hold you are all inside your mind at this point.

>>84321843
>Same sex intercourse is not going to automatically lead to a disease unlike eating feces
Eating feces is not going to automatically lead to a disease, either. We don't eat feces though. There's a reason for that. Although it may not give you a disease 100% of the time, it's a significantly risky thing to do because you are not designed to work that way.
>Having unprotected sex with strangers is a retarded thing to do that plenty of straights engage in as well
And yet homosexuals are contract STDs orders of magnitude more often. Because, again, men were designed for women and vice versa.
>If two homos have monogamous sex, they aren't gonna catch anything
Homosexuals statistically have much higher infidelity rates as well. They are very broken people.
>>>Disprove it first.
>>Disprove what specifically?
>Tell me which miracles to disprove
Any of them. You can't.
>>mocking the truth
>It's not the truth though
Saying that doesn't make it true.
>I know it as a fact because I have seen worlds past our own
No, you're just very mentally ill.
>Thats unprotected sex, which straights perform as well
And yet despite this, homosexuals disproportionately contract disease. Because they're doing something very wrong.
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>>84321840
Nigger I am closer to the divine then you'll ever be

I am in active contact with angels

>>84321915
It's not just aids though, it's several other diseases that were once attributed to godly wrath, that science found the actual cure to, sexually transmitted or no.
While religion brought only stagnation, science actually provided the cure that religion only promised but never delivered

>>84321914
>God can forgive all of these horrible people who cause great earthly suffering to us humans but could never forgive Eve for eating a fucking apple and now all of humanity is paying the price for her mistake
ask god if these people are forgiven. i can't know everything. no one can.
or better yet
>"and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us"

>>84321843
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>>Pedophilia.
>Anyone can be a pedophile
But homosexual men are significantly more likely to abuse children by orders of magnitude. They are degenerates.
>If all gays should lose the right to be gay because of the ones that are pedophiles then we wouldn't have catholic churches or synagogues
Why do gay men make up less than 1% of the global population but over 50% of child rape cases?
>>Domestic violence.
>Lesbian issue, don't care
Lesbians are homosexuals. Gay men also have worse domestic violence rates than heterosexual couples.
>Substance abuse. >Personality disorders. >Mental disorders. >Suicidal ideation. >Suicide attempts.
>This be explained simply by the fact that gays are still treated like shit by most people in this country
No. It's because they're deeply broken people. This behavior rectifies itself once they choose to abandon their life of sin.
>If you're constantly told what a failure or pervert you are, you probably are not going to be very happy
But they ARE failures and perverts. They can change, but they just refuse to out of spite. That is purely their fault.

>>84321915
A person can catch syphilis by being raped and suffer tremendously from it until it kills them. Which is rather unfair and happened a lot. Faith gave them nothing. Science gave them a cure. It's the fundamental difference between real and imaginary

>>84321936
>It's not just aids though, it's several other diseases that were once attributed to godly wrath, that science found the actual cure to, sexually transmitted or no.
don't need to cure aids if you just listen to your Father and never get aids
>While religion brought only stagnation, science actually provided the cure that religion only promised but never delivered
do you base your hatred of god on that one family guy episode?

>>84321939
>But homosexual men are significantly more likely to abuse children by orders of magnitude.
That's factually incorrect though

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8008535/

A christian, spreading fake news? Who could have thought. It's not like they're saying a virgin got pregnant, right?

>>84321879
>That's completely self serving, and indulgent too.
But certainly still more noble than wanting to have orgies simply because you can.
The selfishness isn't inherently the issue. The issue is defiance of God.
You are sending yourself to Hell and living in sin out of spite alone.

>>84321885
The ones that at least try to abstain from sin, in earnest, are Heaven bound.

>>84321886
I'm not performing any mental gymnastics here. I'm being as reasonable as possible.

>>84321888
Christ would never instruct me to do such a thing.

>>84321923
The path I've chosen is by far the harder path. This world is putting constant pressure on me to sin, the easy thing would be giving in. But I refuse.

>>84321930
Same sex intercourse is not going to give you an STD unless you're fucking some guy you just met bareback
You guys guys get into a relationship and they aren't total whores they are not going to catch an STD
It's not a problem with homosexuality, it's a problem with casual sex


>>84321930
>Any of them
Give me one or I'll ignore the request

>>84321944
>don't need to cure aids
But you might need to cure tuberculosis, leprosy and pneumonia which god could never do, but science managed to

>>84321957
It's called a hypothetical. I'm guessing the answer is yes because you couldn't bring yourself to simply say no lmao

>>84321943
you will keep making up stories instead of accepting the truth for a long time after this

>>84321971
pupil. don't forget to kill a chicken if YOU want to go to heaven

>>84321937
But it can be assumed that there are men who committed horrible acts on earth that got accepted into heaven, yes? Even if the number is smaller or bigger than we might guess?

>>84321944
Unless you got it from butchering monkeys during a famine or even worse, by being raped. Then it would be a good time for Yahweh to cure it, but he never did.
There's a very strong distinction between god and Yahweh though. Like the difference between the author of a book and its fictional characters.

>>84321976
didn't science provide a more truthful cure for diseases than faith ever did? Is that how you concede?

>>84321985
if they accepted their true Father then they are among brothers. you can't go back after you see the light

>>84321986
okay jew go on with that if it makes you feel at peace

>>84321991
you can't cure something if someone never gets it
no medicine can cure your soul

>>84321957
>The path I've chosen is by far the harder path
Not really. You are simply following the inertia of your life, by taking your place in the cult you were born into.
Forsaking this would be abandoning your community, your foundational beliefs, your years of worshipping in vain, and most importantly your own very ego and fear of eternal damnation. Now that takes actual courage.
This world and its many churches and overwhelming religious indoctrination puts immense pressure for you not to come out and be gay, and you caved in, cowardly.

>>84321939
>but over 50% of child rape cases?
I would like to know the context of this statistic

>Gay men also have worse domestic violence rates
Would also be interested in seeing the statistic

>It's because they're deeply broken people
broken by a society that hates them and treats them like shit
In our world pedophiles are treated better than gays

>>84322000
Your messiah is literally a jew, your deity Yahweh is literally the jew god, and jesus claimed to be a direct descendant from the jew king david, sent to unite the jews once more.
Kinda ironic

>>84321993
So thats a "yes"?
Criminals who caused great suffering to humans can, under the right conditions, get into heaven?

>>84322017
Already deb00nked here >>84321956
unsurprisingly unaddressed

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>>84320244
I am done talking to fools

time for me to follow the word of God. I hope others do too

>>84322037
>fag taken out by being called a cheater

>>84322004
But what about diseases that predate humanity and are abundant in nature like the ones I mentioned? The cure science provided for those is very truthful, they work regardless of personal opinion, but no prayers on earth will heal tuberculosis.
Seems like science got closer to grasping truth than faith.

>>84321957
>certainly still more noble than wanting to have orgies
But not as noble than living your life authentically despite threats of eternal damnation.
If your authenticity leads you to orgies, maybe you should look inside, not outside. Your notions of inner truth all lead back to smut because repression turns sexuality into a pressure cooker. You can't even imagine having a loving romantic relationship with a man because faith castrated you so hard.

>>84321957
>The selfishness isn't inherently the issue
It was the issue a few minutes ago until you got called out and had to resort to a different argument. Since wanting a ticket into god's VIP club is inherently selfish too, you know realize.
It's not really defiance of god, it's just defiance against the authors of the bible that you learned to worship like gods. Defiance leading to disproportionate punishment reads like what a tyrant would do.

>>84321863
it's not skepticism lol. some commands and criticisms are given in certain situations and others are given as a general guideline to every member of the church. why do you think people don't go around killing lambs and passing their blood on their doors or making bronze serpent statues? because the use of those practices has already worn off and nowadays they may actually be bad spiritually.

>>84322118
Not really. All the verses you don't want to follow are only contextually relevant, while all the verses you want to follow are general prescriptions. That level of convenience follows through every step of apologetics down to its core. Jesus never spoke against homosexuals and spoke in favor of redistribution of wealth 10+ times. But to you, his stance on homosexuality was universally prohibitive and his stance on wealth accumulation are merely "taken out of context"
This is just another example of twisting the religion to fit your own selfish goals.

>>84322118
>because the use of those practices has already worn off and nowadays they may actually be bad spiritually.
The idea that some parts of the bible can age out of fashion and go all the way around to becoming spiritually deleterious is a very compelling argument to the atheist perspective on the bible actually. What you are saying, with different words, is that a man made book can make mistakes.

>>84321964
>It's not a problem with homosexuality, it's a problem with casual sex
And yet despite engaging in casual sex at similar rates as homosexuals, straight people don't contract diseases at anywhere near the same rate as homosexuals. It's more than just the casual sex, it's the fact that it's happening between homosexual participants.
>Give me one or I'll ignore the request
I'm telling you to pick any one you want. It could be turning water onto wine, it could be walking on water, it could be multiplying fish, and you instead choose to ignore the request because you know these things cannot be disproven outright.

>>84321975
I don't need to answer the question because it's a ridiculous question.

>>84322012
Constantly battling your flesh in pursuit of something more noble is absolutely the harder thing to do. No, performing oral sex on strange men is not courageous. It's gross.

>>84322017
You can google the statistics. They're easy to find.
>broken by a society that hates them and treats them like shit
Broken by a lifetime of degeneracy that has rotted them from the inside out.
>In our world pedophiles are treated better than gays
I think this is unfair because they are deserving of equal treatment. Pedophiles should abstain from abusing children and homosexuals should abstain from sodomy.

>>84322065
I can't imagine having a loving romantic relationship with a man because such romantic relationships are an abomination. I can't support that type of lifestyle let alone imagine myself participating in it.

>>84322080
Selfishness != hedonism. I don't think you fully understand what we're talking about here. Hedonism is sensual self-indulgence or the pursuit of pleasure. Taking care of yourself is not a form of hedonism.

>>84322199
>Constantly battling your flesh in pursuit of something more noble is absolutely the harder thing to do
Not as hard as battling your childhood indoctrination, forsaking your cult, and pursuing something more truthful. Not out of fear of punishment, or because you're selfishly looking for otherworldly rewards, but simply because it's the real version of you that's been locked away.
It's a level of courage that a christian simply doesn't have. Long ago, the comfort of mythology was chosen for you, and keeping that up is the easiest path for sure.

>>84322199
>something more noble
Your pursuit is not really noble. It's extremely selfish actually. You just want to be rewarded by your deity for all that worship.
You once again reduce your homosexuality to sex with strangers, a reflection of how much religion mutilated your self love and self respect. There's little left now. All you can think about is luxury. Your religion killed the love.

>>84322222
You want to talk about indoctrination? Look at the havoc the alphabet mafia has unleashed onto this world. About a third of Gen Z identifies as some letter or another, and coincidentally they are also the least religious generation in recorded history. If anything, going against the grain would be keeping your faith. THAT'S courageous. THAT takes strength. Look at how everyone else in this thread has immediately tried to tear me down. Look at how many insults have been hurled my way, or how many people have tried to pressure me into changing my mind. This is every day for me, and I refuse to cave even still. And you think being a homosexual is courageous?

>>84322199
>it's the fact that it's happening between homosexual participants.
So what aspect of gay sex is magically causing STDs even though gays that practice monogamy don't get STDs?

>It could be turning water onto wine, it could be walking on water, it could be multiplying fish
Is there any evidence for any of these besides some papers from 2,000 years ago saying it happened?
By that logic Buddha undeniably sat under a tree for 49 days straight without moving and muhammed flew to allah's kingdom on a golden pegasus
You can write whatever the fuck you want, doesn't make it true

>>84322199
>can't imagine having a loving romantic relationship with a man because such romantic relationships are an abomination
That's a copout. Let's try being honest here. You can imagine that, but your religion forbids it and you obey it, out of fear of some sort of eternal judgement for your love for men.
You can't imagine yourself in these relationships but you can spend hours on the internet talking to homosexuals about how much you abhor sex with men.
We can see the turmoil in your head in real time.

>>84322234
It is noble, actually. If I had chosen sin, my daughter would have never been conceived and who knows where my wife would be right now? And for what? So that I can go around debasing myself for surface level pleasure? Producing nothing and sullying my family name? To what end? What is so noble about hedonic degeneracy?

>>84322151
>What you are saying, with different words, is that a man made book can make mistakes.
do you really think that? if you were a doctor and told your pacient to change their medication and they thought you were bsing them because the first meds were supposed to cure them of everything they had and they weren't going to take anything more from you, you would be baffled by their retardness wouldn't you? there is more than one step in the path of salvation. what's wrong with that?
>>84322141
the bible never talks about transsexualism or satanism directly but if you use your God given brain you can guess that those things are not very good huh.

>>84322242
>Look at the havoc the alphabet mafia has unleashed onto this world
Sorry I can't hear you over the multiple times christians who worshipped the same person fought bloody wars against each other with millions of casualties because of minute theological disagreements.
If we want to talk about havoc brought on society, it's hard to compete with the church that just 10 years ago was still battling inner scandals of child abuse after spending centuries protecting pedophile priests. The same church that later justified colonization and the abuse of indigenous people, as well as slavery and racial segregation.
The LGBT community needs at least a hundred years to do a fraction of the damage christianity brought about in the world

>>84322259
Not really, it's inherently selfish and petty. You obey Yahweh out of fear of what can happen to you after death. There's no nobility in that. It's the ultimate cowardice, a refusal to face death and eternity without making petty deals with the gods.

Christianity relies on the authenticity of the Bible.
The Bible is full of historical innacuracy and internal contradiction.
Therefore Christianity is false.

>>84322271
christians are always projecting this image of unity under christ until you remember that the subsets of christianity absolutely hate and despise each other

>>84322244
>So what aspect of gay sex is magically causing STDs even though gays that practice monogamy don't get STDs?
The fact that the human rectum was not designed for sexual intercourse, for one. The rectal wall is thinner than the vagina wall. People who are receptive to anal sex are significantly more likely to contract HIV than anyone else, and since most gay men have some sort of STD as a result of their rampant participation in anal sex, their other forms of sexual contact are also riskier than they would be between heterosexual couples as well. Homosexuality in itself could be considered a disease.
>Is there any evidence for any of these besides some papers from 2,000 years ago saying it happened?
That right there is literally evidence. What did you want, a video? You'd just say it's AI generated anyway.
>By that logic Buddha undeniably sat under a tree for 49 days straight without moving and muhammed flew to allah's kingdom on a golden pegasus
Except more documents corroborate Christianity than any other religion.

>>84322248
When I tell you that I legitimately cannot imagine starting or sustaining any kind of romantic relationship with a member of the same sex, I'm being honest. But that doesn't matter because no matter what I say you'll tell me I'm lying either to you or myself anyway until I cave and start agreeing with you. Which isn't going to happen.

>>84322294
>Except more documents corroborate Christianity than any other religion.
The vast majority of those documents were transcibed centuries after Christ's death, the apologist you listen to have mislead you.

>>84322259
And you raised a family so you can spend your nights arguing with strangers and homos on r9k of all places about how unitary your family is?
Darling, this is 4chan. This isn't church. You don't have to pretend here of all places.
Maybe your "wife" could be with a man who loves her like she deserves, and the same goes for you. Both of you could have built your own families without lies, repression and deceit. You traded truth for a comforting lie, no shame in that, it's the very basis of religion. But it's not noble at all

>>84322294
>I legitimately cannot
But you definitely can imagine sex with men, for how often you mentioned it.
It's a part of the damage religion did on you, that your sense of love is atrophied. It's literally post traumatic stress disorder due to religious trauma and abuse. Sad but treatable.

>>84322271
I don't want to hear it.
In the span of a single human life, the LGBT+ mafia has gone from "we just want to get married" to "you will make the cake or we'll sue you into bankruptcy" to convincing millions of parents to mutilate their children's genitals and pump them full of more hormones than a cow in a farm. These people are clearly doing more damage at a greater rate than any religion could ever dream of doing. The crusades were hundreds of years ago, and since then, peace.

>>84322283
I follow Christ out of love and admiration for His works. Not out of fear. You are a slave to your flesh. You live like a mouse in a lab, chasing sugar water and avoiding any and all sacrifice. You are a spiritual gooner. You can't interface with any idea that challenges you to make even the slightest efforts to change without freaking out. I can't think of anything more cowardly than that.

>>84322294
>no matter what I say you'll tell me I'm lying either to you or myself anyway
Well you made a thread to talk to other homosexuals about it. Your words say one thing, your actions another entirely.
You could be at church affirming your testimony, spending time with your family and raising your "daughter". But here you are, in the lonesome mentally ill male board, arguing theology with homosexuals. This speaks volumes. You don't have to cave in. I don't matter. This conversation doesn't matter. The thought alone sufficeth.
That you're here engaging with dissidence and opposing views challenging your dogmas is already a great improvement

>>84322319
>convincing millions of parents to mutilate their children's genitals
The jews did it first

>>84322319
>follow Christ out of love and admiration for His works
Not really, as you have stated before. The fear of eternal damnation is the central core of your belief and the main reason why you don't engage with homosexual love.
Your love for the works of christ cease to be the exact moment he asked you to give all your money to the poor. Then it becomes only "contextually relevant".
But most importantly, you follow the religion you were brought up into.

>>84322319
You are a slave to your fear of death and afterlife, which curiously enough is also part of your flesh. Making you another slave to the flesh in the end of the day.

>>84322294
Yet homosexuals in monogamous relationships don't catch STDs so I guess there isn't some magic STD that all gays catch

>That right there is literally evidence.
It's not
If historical document proved religion then Hinduism would be the one and only faith since every aspect of that religion is well documented

>Except more documents corroborate Christianity than any other religion.
I would like to know what you're basing this on

>>84322319
>chasing sugar water
Promises of heaven are your favourite flavor of sugar water. And making the effort to change your dogmas also freaks you out.

>>84321957
>Christ would never instruct me to do such a thing.
God told Abraham to sacrifice his son
>it was a test and he didn't actually do it
And Abraham proved he was faithfull by going through with it until an angel stopped him, would you do the same?

>>84322300
The statement still stands. Christianity is supported by more documentation than any other religion.

>>84322304
And what do you think nobility looks like? Getting bent over your kitchen sink? Rutting like pigs in a bed belonging to some twisted man whose name you don't even know? Filling your guts with water and inducing diarrhea in order to prepare for sex that on some level you know doesn't even feel good? Crying at the clinic because you've been infected with HIV and not knowing how you're going to afford your medication? Seeing a normal couple with their child out in public and knowing the closest thing you'll ever have to that is a pale imitation? Having your parents look at you with a sense of shame and quiet anger? Is that noble to you? Is that what you want for yourself? Can you really see no better life?

>>84322319
>can't think of anything more cowardly than that.
Worshipping a god out of fear of eternal punishment, to the detriment of your mental health

>>84320244
>Tell them you've surrendered your homosexuality to Christ
So OP is the one who made Jesus gay.

>>84320244
Imagine finding out your dad used to get fucked in the ass

>>84322378
>what do you think nobility looks like?
Rejecting dogmas and your childhood indoctrination, leaving your cult behind and pursuing a better, more authentic lifestyle without so much senseless fear and self hatred.
There's as much nobility in faith as there is in a slave's obedience to their master

>>84322378
>The statement still stands. Christianity is supported by more documentation than any other religion.
No it doesn't, a bunch of copies of something written hundreds of years ago doesn't tell you anything beside that it got popular, which we already know.
Tell me, did the last supper happen before or after passover ?
How did Judas die ?

>>84322378
>a bed belonging to some twisted man whose name you don't even know
It's amazing how much sex with strangers is on your mind.
Religion really fucked your self esteem up, it's like you don't feel deserving of anything more than that.

>>84322319
>and since then, peace.
Lol the face of ignorance. Truly you don't want to hear about all the misdeeds and rotted fruits of religion, which is the only way you can ignore the obvious damage it did on humanity and the countless genocides it purported.

>>84322328
>Well you made a thread to talk to other homosexuals about it.
That's not why I made this thread. You're just superimposing your assumption about my motives onto it.
>I don't matter.
Atheism breeds nihilism, and nihilism breeds depression and contempt for one's self. I'll pray for you.

>>84322330
There's a difference between circumcision and mutilation.

>>84322342
You'd be insane to not fear eternal damnation, but that's not the sole driver of my devotion to Christ. It comes from a place of love.
And yes, I do subscribe to the religion I grew up in but only because it's the right one.

>>84322352
So, what, you're saying I should just dive headfirst into Hell because YOLO? Do you not understand how demented that sounds?

>>84322358
>Yet homosexuals in monogamous relationships don't catch STDs
Even this isn't true because homosexuals will often knowingly date other homosexuals with HIV thinking they won't or can't catch it, only to be surprised when they do. You also haven't accounted for rape and infidelity. It's better to simply not be gay.
>If historical document proved religion then Hinduism would be the one and only faith since every aspect of that religion is well documented
This isn't true.
>I would like to know what you're basing this on
Reality.

>>84322368
Deliverance from evil is a far better pursuit than that of evil itself.

>>84322370
>God told Abraham to sacrifice his son
And I would gladly sacrifice my only son of God told me to.
>And Abraham proved he was faithfull by going through with it until an angel stopped him, would you do the same?
Of course, without question.

>>84322378
>sex that on some level you know doesn't even feel good?
Mate, that felt strangely personal. You got anal fissures or something? You know that you're still gay without anal sex, right? Or without sex at all.
>Ashamed parents
Oh there's the weakness and cowardice we talked about earlier. Not noble at all, to live a lie only to please the homophobia of your parents, specially when you double down on that homophobia and its source.
That's part of the courage and bravery that queer joy entails. We queer people have to develop our own sense of joy and peace outside of the opinions of others, ae must reach it through meditation, self acceptance and self love. It's not easy though.
Being paranoid about anal sex, STDs and parental approval is very easy, though.

>>84322378
>Can you really see no better life?
Your life sounds like a living hell, mate. Hiding all that frustration inside to please others.
It's probably why you're alone at night, arguing with homosexuals on r9k. Can you see a better life? Are you truly headed towards it?

>>84322444
>will often knowingly date other homosexuals with HIV thinking they won't or can't catch it
What

>Reality
So no source

>>84322444
Homosexuality isn't evil, though. What your cult did/does to you is quite evil, actually. Akin to psychological torture. We can see the damage by your inability to feel deserving of the love of another men, and so weirdly focused on sex with strangers

>>84322380
If you were smart you'd also have a healthy fear of God.

>>84322388
I've never had sex with a man. I wouldn't do such a thing.

>>84322391
>Rejecting dogmas and your childhood indoctrination, leaving your cult behind and pursuing a better, more authentic lifestyle without so much senseless fear and self hatred.
I'm glad we could finally agree on something for once. Leaving the LGBT+ cult is noble.

>>84322394
Just because there are points of uncertainty doesn't mean the whole thing is a sham.

>>84322409
Homosexuals don't really form committed relationships. The average homosexual man accumulates thousands of sexual partners over a lifetime.

>>84322418
That's the truth you don't want to hear.

>>84322444
That's exactly why you've made this thread. That's the reason why you've been here for hours stretching into the night instead of being with your "wife". You're here to argue about your theological self torture to other homosexuals.
Religious people are not the best at brutal honesty, self reflection and admittance. Not even anonymously you can strip the mask, but sometimes it slips off and we catch a glimpse of the inner torment of a soul abused by christianity

>>84322444
>And I would gladly sacrifice my only son of God told me to.
What makes God asking you to kill your son seem possible but not him asking you to cheat on your wife ?
Do you think infidelity is a worst sin than killing your own flesh ?

>>84322444
Oh no that's not nihilism. I matter a lot to myself. I meant I don't matter to you. My opinions, my disagreements, my beliefs are completely irrelevant to your life. My posts won't change a thing about you.
But you're still here, you knew exactly what kind of response you would find, and you're engaging with it for hours.
It's like you come here to breathe fresh air after being suffocated in church

>>84322449
Bringing shame to your whole family so that you can indulge in superficial sin is not at all noble.

>>84322458
My life is great actually. I have a sense of lasting peace you'll never get to get close to.

>>84322473
Homosexuality is quite evil, actually. It produces nothing good and only harms people.

>>84322490
>Just because there are points of uncertainty doesn't mean the whole thing is a sham.
What does prove chritianity is a sham is that it affirms the veracity of old testament stories like the flood which are obviously false.

>>84322490
That's not the truth, though. Religion still breeds hatred and violence to this very day. It wasn't a decade ago and the Catholic church was still allocating pedophile priests. Evangelicals too keep burying their sex scandals while merchandising faith in a direct contradiction to what Jesus taught us. Mormons are still a polygamist cult with high rates of domestic abuse.
The evils of religion keep sprouting, unending. It would take the LGBT community centuries to catch up

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>>84320244
well, homos are homos.

as a heterosexual male, i cannot even begin to comprehend the desire for men. it is incomprehensible to me. i am disgusted by the sight of cocks. i wish i was the only man in the world and everyone else was female.

but not all heterosexuals are like this. many men are not disgusted by cocks or other males' sexuality. but i am disgusted by other males' sexuality. which is funny because my own fetishes are all bizarre and weird. but they are 100% entirely attached to females--everything is different when it's a girl.

i cannot understand faggotry. it is beyond my comprehension. i have always felt the "it's completely different if it's female" sensation all the way down into my core. when i was 8 i told my dad i didn't understand why he was attracted to women. when i was 11 it all made sense.

i consider everyone who does not have achievable sexual desires to be broken. all of my fetishes are obtainable. my penis fits into a vagina and it feels perfect.

>>84322518
>Homosexuality is quite evil
Not really. It's a mere variance of being, not that different from left-handedness.
Curiously enough, left handed people were in fact shunned and persecuted by christians for centuries, going as far as the1960's. It's a very similar parallel.
Saying that homosexuals are evil for not breeding is like saying infertility is evil. It's an ultimately ignorant claim that bases natality as the ethical standard.
The reason why abrahamic religions favoured natalism so much is because it's the most efficient way to make a religion grow. More soldiers for Israel's army.

>>84322519
Also those aren't uncertainty, those are contradiction, parts of your Bible are false even without looking outside of it.

>>84322520
religion has nothing to do with any of that shit. all of that is just about power and control. and a gay priest who's molesting a kid is part of the LGBT community. because he's gay. i am attracted to female. if i were a pedophile, i would be into girls. did you think he was somehow not gay because he's a priest? or is it because he's a pedo? what are you even saying?

>>84322491
>That's the reason why you've been here for hours stretching into the night instead of being with your "wife".
I made this thread because I was bored and needed a way to pass the time. It was never meant to be any kind of debate. I thought maybe I'd have more people who agreed with me instead of getting attacked like this. I wish I could be with my wife right now but I can't and I didn't want to be totally alone so this thread happened. You don't know anywhere as much as you think you do but you keep superimposing your projections onto my actions.

>>84322495
Because God would ask me to do that I've already told you this

>>84322500
Shouldn't you be on>>> /lgbt/?

>>84322525
Are you low iq or just willingly refusing to engage with a thought experiment?
Because all you have to do to "understand" homosexuals is thinking: "they like men just how I like women" or alternatively "they like men how women do".

>>84322546
It has everything to do with that.
Yahweh commanded his chosen people to exterminate the amalekites and his specifically said: spare no one, not even the breastfeeding babies.
The bible is filled with evilness that you ignore. Religion is built upon evil. Your whole theology is that the vast majority of mankind will suffer forever for not believing what you do.

>>84322548
Shouldn't you come out? I'll tell you something, you are in the perfect place for a repressed homosexual, that's for sure.

>>84322548
>Because God would ask me to do that I've already told you this
So you claim to know God's nature ?
Even sticking to things with biblical precedant, God made it so Lot lineage survived by having kids with his daughters.
Would you fuck your daughter if God asked you so ?

>>84322548
So you're "bored" in the late hours of a week day, despite having a wife and children, and the perfect antidote for your boredom was discussing theology with homosexuals on 4chan?
Yeah mate, honesty and admittance are not the strongest suits of christians.
We can see the turmoil in your head. Despite your rehearsed words, your actions are very revealing

>>84322542
Left-handedness doesn't cause AIDS.

>>84322548
>It was never meant to be any kind of debate
But that's what it is and you indulged in it and engaged with it for hours and hours late into the night. You're not really making justifications and excuses to me, anon. You're doing it to yourself.
That's what I meant by self actualization and how much you lack it.

>>84322591
neither does homosexuality. The only way you can contract HIV is by having sex with someone who has it, woman or man.
So if you're a homosexual without hiv, I guess you're morally excuse by your own logic

>>84322588
>So you're "bored" in the late hours of a week day,
It's not that late where I am.
>despite having a wife and children,
One child and she hasn't even been born yet. My wife is not around right now.
> and the perfect antidote for your boredom was discussing theology with homosexuals on 4chan?
Again, the thread wasn't supposed to turn out this way.
For someone so focused on dishonesty, this is an incredibly dishonest line of questioning.

>>84322548
Isn't it a little pathetic to pretend to have a wife and a family as you shitposting alone during late hours on r9k of all places?
If people had agreed with you, you wouldn't be nearly as engaged in the thread as you are now.

>>84322610
>The only way you can contract HIV is by having sex with someone who has it, woman or man.
The likelihood of transmission between heterosexual couples is extremely low which is why homosexual men make up 80% of all HIV infections and the remaining 20% consists primarily of drug addicts.

>>84322636
Africa is full of AIDs and they criminalize homosexuality

>>84322636
So gay sex between two guys without HIV isn't sinful or is God limited in his method of divine punishment.

>>84322618
>My wife is not around right now.
Yeah I bet she goes to a different school.
The thread wasn't supposed to turn out this way but it did and you kept it up responding to every post and checking every (you) from the homosexuals you supposedly despise
My man. We can see right through it. Every homosexual was once you. You'll grow out of that religion bullshit eventually. I mean you are on fucking 4chan of all places, surrounded by pornography and degeneracy. You're no saint. You don't really belong in a church, that's why you came to us instead.

>>84322628
I'm not uploading pictures of my wife if that's what you're trying to goad me into doing.

>>84322636
So, if you're a homo without hiv, you're morally excused? If two homos without hiv get together, they're not gonna catch it and can have hivless gay sex forever

>>84322658
nah, I'm just trying to make you realize how ridiculous you sound when you pretend to have a wife on your 4 hour streak of discussing theology with homosexuals on r9k

>>84322643
They're being punished for witchcraft.

>>84322651
It's still sinful.

>>84322653
>Yeah I bet she goes to a different school.
I'm just not home right now.
>The thread wasn't supposed to turn out this way but it did and you kept it up responding to every post and checking every (you)
I don't actively check. I just put my email in the Options field and get a notification whenever someone responds to me. You can do it too.
> from the homosexuals you supposedly despise
I never said I despise you people. I just think you're living in sin.

>>84322518
Living authentically and finding your joy and content despite the opinions of others is very noble actually.
Hiding from your parents is kinda pathetic and coward ngl, specially for a supposedly truth worshipper

>>84322675
>So, if you're a homo without hiv, you're morally excused?
No. It's still wrong.

>>84322686
I'm not pretending.

>>84322518
>. I have a sense of lasting peace
Is that why you make threads on r9k to argue with strangers about your repressed homosexual urges for hours? Is that what peace looks like to you?

>>84322688
>It's still sinful.
So why does God only punish some gays with aids and not others ? Seems redundant anyway since he's gonna punish them with hell anyway

>>84322490
>Homosexuals don't really form committed relationships
Many of them do, actually. It's part of your religious trauma to believe you're not worthy enough for that. It's probably why you mentioned sex with strangers so much, that's probably all you allowed yourself to experience like a little repressed whore.

>>84322694
My parents know about my struggles with homosexuality, I'm not hiding from them. Denial of flesh is as authentic as it gets. Do you think serial killers should just "live authentically" and start killing so as to avoid having to experience the displeasure of not killing for once in their lives?

>>84322490
Christianity is the actual cult you were raised into, and you stick to it out of fear. Not only fear of what will happen after death but also fear of your parent's reaction.
You can leave the LGBT, but the gayness doesn't leave you, you're still the same inside behind the mask

>>84322490
If you were smart you wouldn't follow cults of worship and build your spirituality on fear. We can see the results

>>84322698
Yes. These types of discussions come from a place of peace.

>>84322699
It's not my place to know.

>>84322702
Detached sex with strangers is the #1 thing homosexuals are known for. Homosexuals don't engage in romantic relationships because they're romantically defective.

>>84322444
>I should just dive headfirst into Hell
Actually I'm saying you should be very skeptical about people who threaten you with punishments after death. They're using your primordial fears to control your behavior and it's not a coincidence the same people who did that ask you for money

>>84322444
>You'd be insane to not fear eternal damnation
You'd be insane to base your spirituality on fear like that.
Fear is a primordial emotion, a tool of nature made to protect us from harm. Fear makes us stronger, more alert, more resilient. It's both a blessing and a curse from nature, we couldn't survive without it.
When someone tries to get you to fear something out of this world, and tries to regulate your behavior based on it, your alarms should be going off. Can you smell a scam?
Do you fear the eternal punishment that awaits you for rejecting Mohamed? Or you only care about the religion you were indoctrinated into since birth?

>>84322716
>It's not my place to know.
And what divine authority told you AIDS was divine punishment in any case ?
Seemed like you were pretty confident about how this was your place to know about this earlier.

A lot of gay people are actually extremely insecure about their sexuality. But they've made it such a core identity that it terrifies them to lose it. They act ten times worse around vaginas than straight males do around dicks and gay porn.

The more insecure they are, the more angrier they are.

>>84322444
>that's not the sole driver of my devotion to Christ. It comes from a place of love.
You talk way more about your fear of the punishment for not loving christ, though. Clearly fear is the main aspect of your faith, although admitting that is beyond your honesty levels.
>The religion I grew up with is the right one
How convenient. How blessed. Kinda unfair to the people who grew up in the wrong one, though

>>84322709
You are just projecting. I think on some level you know you don't have to live this way. You know this LGBT shit is a cult and you're afraid to leave it because you're afraid to put in the work required to become a better person.

>>84322713
Christianity is not a cult.

>>84322717
They ask you for money because there's no other way for them to get it. Churches do a lot of good and they need to keep the lights on somehow. The fear of Hell is a primordial one because Hell is real and on some level you know that.

>>84322732
On some level you must know that stories like Noah's arc are obviously untrue and that it's inclusion in the biblical canon means it's unreliable as a whole.

>>84322688
You don't actively check but you have been actively responding to it for hours. 4 hours now and counting.
Admitting the obvious is not your forte.
Clearly, no matter how the thread turned out different from your plan, you're fully engaged with it. There's a reason why, but you won't admit it either.
You came here and all you got was homosexuals who believe in the opposite of what you do. And my god, you had your fun with it. This wasn't what you were looking for, but was it what you needed?

>>84322732
>Christianity is not a cult.
It checks every cult box, actually. Personality worship. Messianic figure. Patriarchal structure. Hierarchical distribution of power. Low tolerance for dissidents. Expansionist ethos.
In fact it's hard to pinpoint exactly what makes it not a cult.

>>84322732
>you know you don't have to live this way
I'd still be gay no matter how I lived, just like you're still gay even if celibate and emotionally castrated. The options are to live in misery, loneliness and repression or not

btw I'm surprised nobody posted gay porn to make him relapse.

>>84322732
They ask for money because that's what charlatans do, anon. It's one big money laundering scheme.
>Churches do a lot of good
Like building more churches and sweeping abusers under the rug.
>The fear of hell is primordial
Not really. You misunderstood the concept of primordial. Monkeys feel fear. That's primordial. The concept of hell isn't even that old, and not even original to the abrahamic cult. It's a greek invention.
You fear death, that's a primordial fear, the ultimate fear. Long ago, people learned how to capitalize on that. And thus christianity is born. Your natural fear of death is twisted, bloated beyond it's original meaning, and used against you.

>>84320261
>Thats the Jewish version of Christianity.
nigga that is Christianity

>>84322707
You are affirming your flesh with christianity, just a different part of your flesh. Your ego, your arrogance and moral grandstanding, and most importantly, your fear of damnation. You're doing it for a reward, there's no abnegation or selflessness in it.

>>84322707
Serial killers produce victims and perpetrators in a cosmic duality: one kills, the other is killed. That's a crime. Same goes for rape, theft, lying
Who is the victim and who is the perpetrator of a homosexual couple in love?

>>84322716
>a place of peace
With how much you talk about your fear of hell, it doesn't sound peaceful at all.
That's why people say you're wearing a mask. You're here bickering on r9k for hours, but you still have the nerve to pretend you are doing so peacefully.
The peace of a tormented soul, maybe.

>>84322707
So your parents know? Then you already made them deal with all the shame you feared so much? Might as well go the extra mile and get a bf before bitterness turns your heart to stone

>>84320368
Funny how child rapers and perverts like you are silent about public schools when the rates of child abuse are multiple times higher than anything found in secularized churches that aren't even Christian in the first place. Jew religion mandates rape and genital mutilation of all male children, while Christians never do that and forbid the disgusting satanic practice.
How many jews and public school teachers have you taken care of? Zero? OK, now shut the fuck up.

>>84322716
>Homosexuals don't engage in romantic relationships
Many of them do, actually. You don't feel worthy of that because of religious trauma. It crippled your emotions and made you believe you're only good for sex and don't deserve love, which is a pity.

>>84322791
Well when you think about it, the reason why murder is bad under christianity is also a mystery since the dead will receive what he deserves anyway.
In fact nothing could be as selfless as killing christians as you would make sure they get their eternal reward while sacrificing your own.

>>84322807
>aren't even Christian
Holy copout. Like centuries of catholic church moving pedophiles around wasn't bad enough

>>84322807
Only reason why jews are respected is because of Christians. There would be next to no support for Isreal in America if not for Evangelicals.

>>84322809
If it made sense in logical reasonable terms, it wouldn't be a religion and wouldn't require faith.

>>84322807
You know jesus was a jew, right? Like he literally claimed to be a descendant of david, the new king of jews to unite Israel once more? You know that your Yahweh is literally the jew god, right?

>>84322771
He's on r9k. Do you really think he's a stranger to gay porn? Can't you see the projection in his every accusation?
The dude is literally struggling. Not like "married to a girl and successfully repping" struggling. I mean real defeating struggle. "I hate myself and I can't stop jerking off to men" type of struggle.
The constant mention of casual sex, the whole pregnant wife debacle, the insistence on being a peaceful repper who has told his parents, it's all right there in front of us: everything he says is an attempt to hide the truth. The actual truth.
Successful reppers don't come to r9k to gloat and spend multiple hours bickering with other homosexuals. I bet he's just a teenager.
Our words are more powerful than any porn. They can pierce through his mind and ricochet inside, echoing back and forth for days.

That was fun, I miss the days of that one vegan poster that would debate an entire thread on his own like this.

>>84322754
>patriarchal structure
You really outed yourself as a retarded faggot by including this in your cult box checking exercise

>>84320244
They did a study with people who had open heart surgery, they monitored their complication rates based on if they were being prayed for. There were 3 groups, patients who knew they were being prayed for, patients who were being prayed for but weren't told/didn't know they were being prayed for and patients who weren't being prayed for. There was no difference between patients who didn't know they were being prayed for and patients who weren't being prayed for but the patients who knew they were being prayed for ended up having more complications than the other two groups. Here's a link to the abstract of the study it's not a long read
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0002870305006496
If god is so amazing, why does he give people who know they're being prayed for more complications after surgery?

>>84322736
You can literally see Noah's ark for yourself at the Ark Encounter if you sand to.

>>84322745
>This wasn't what you were looking for, but was it what you needed?
Actually, no. I was wondering why you people lose your minds when people like me work on themselves, I wasn't looking for a debate.

>>84322754
I don't think you know what a cult is.

>>84322761
I'm not celibate.
>The options are to live in misery, loneliness and repression or not
I pity you. That you think change for the better is simply not an option hurts my heart, truly. I'll pray for you.

>>84322771
It's not an addiction. I don't relapse. It doesn't work that way. Nothing can make me go back to the way things were.

>>84322780
>>Churches do a lot of good
>Like building more churches and sweeping abusers under the rug.
Three years ago I helped my church feed over 500,000 starving children. What have you done?
>You fear death, that's a primordial fear, the ultimate fear.
And Hell is the death of the soul.

>>84322787
Nothing I've said so far has been arrogant or indicative of any grandstanding. I pity you, but I don't look down on you. You're just very, very lost.

>>84322799
The fact that I'm not going to Hell brings me peace. I feel safe in that knowledge. Can you say the same?

>>84322802
Why would I drag my parents shame out across the span of an entire lifetime? Doesn't it make more sense to actively fix the problem before it worsens?

>>84322808
>Many of them do, actually.
Statistically, this just isn't true.

>>84324155
This study fundamentally misunderstands the purpose of prayer in the first place. It's not a request ballot where you just submit a ticket and have all of your desires immediately met right away. God is not a genie; he doesn't exist solely to grant your every wish on a whim. I'll pray for you.

>>84324181
The people who were being prayed for and the people praying for them had no ill intentions and just wanted to help. I'd understand if there was no difference but god literally made things worse for these people just because they believed in him

>>84324218
What did you think was going to happen? Did you think God was going to make everything easy just for worshipping Him? Just for acknowledging His existence? It's well known that God tests your faith once it's established; things get harder, not easier. This is proof of that.

>>84324280
God didn't even make things worse for the people doing the prayer he took it out on the patients.
The prayer doesn't even appear to be the problem it's just the patients who knew they were being prayed for. It's not their fault they were informed of that. The other group was being prayed for and they didn't suffer more than the patients who weren't being prayed for. I'd expect there to be no difference between all three groups

>>84320244
Because every ex gay story is the same pre-written bullshit. Christopher Yuan makes trips all around the country and sells a stupid scam course about how he's holysexual now, and the story he has is LITERALLY this, no exaggeration.
>I came out to my parents so they kicked me out as a young teen
>I got into hardcore drugs and smuggling and got fucked daily for years until I got AIDS
>clearly being kicked out of the house wasn't what drove me to resort to rebellious hedonism or drug abuse or delinquency, it was they gay thoughts that did this
>I am no longer gay, I am married
>k...kids? Oh no, I don't sleep with my wife...I'm not attracted to her.

IT'S ALWAYS THE SAME STORY. One minute they're hellfire and brimstone, the next they're a relapsing methhead hiring male prostitutes between sermons.

>>84324295
>God didn't even make things worse for the people doing the prayer he took it out on the patients.
Again, you don't need to know everything about how He works. Not everything needs to make perfect sense to you. That's what faith is.

>>84324509
Those are just the ones you hear about because of how highly publicized they are. For every one ex-gay story that turns out that way, there are a hundred that turn out much better and you don't hear about them because for all intents and purposes they're just normal people.

>>84320368
Th reformation should have never happened.

>>84324579
What exactly was god punishing these people for? Being told they were being prayed for?

>>84324621
I didn't say they were being punished. I don't know why they're experiencing the tribulations they're going through. Maybe they're being tested. Maybe they are being punished. I don't know. It's not my place to know.

>>84324645
Yes being sick in the hospital is exactly the perfect timing when people need to be tested

>>84320244
>ex-gay
Orientations are encoded in the brain not some hobby you adopt. You are and will always live sucking dick, I bet if a hung anon slapped you in the face with his big stinky cock you would get lightheaded you slut.

>>84324645
Like it's not cruel at all fuck em cardiac arrest bitches shouldn't have have been told they're being prayed for next time they better cover their ears when someone mentions prayer

>>84324645
I'll be praying for your wife when she's labor

>>84324645
>>84324672
And I hope god tests her thoroughly after that

>>84324656
This statement is completely true even with the sarcasm removed. What good is faith when it's dropped at the first sign of trouble? How faithful are you really when you curse God's name as soon as things get hard?

>>84324661
>Orientations are encoded in the brain
There's no evidence for this.
The rest of your post was incredibly disrespectful and grotesque. I'll pray for you.

>>84324667
>>84324672
>>84324675
The fact that you'd wish harm on my unborn child because I won't indulge in sin alongside you says more about you than me. I hope you find peace soon, anon. I'll pray for you too.

>>84324718
I just hope god tests you lots that's all

>>84324718
>the fact that you're praying for my wife means you're wishing harm
No I'm just praying if that fucks you over it's just god testing you

>>84324720
>>84324733
Why are you so upset that I'm not going to degrade my body in pursuit of shallow pleasures? Why does the way I live my life affect you so much that it inspires this "crabs in a bucket" mentality that causes you to want my child to be harmed in any way? Do you understand how insane and evil you come across when you say things like that? You're only proving my original point.

>>84324747
I'm not talking about gays I'm talking about god

>>84324747
I don't care if you gay or not I'm more perplexed you think god is out there to do any good

>>84324759
>>84324770
Of course you'd think God is evil if your idea of good is "I pray once and then God gives me a Lamborghini :)"

>>84320244
you disprove their ramblings that homosexuality is something that they are helpless about
all the ramblings how they ONLY like getting butt blasted and nothing else, how they were born that way, all gone

>>84324169
>Ark Encounter
LMAO.
There is no way that all the speacies on earth could fit in the boat the size the bible gave the dimensions of, let alone with the food to feed them for 40 days.
Everything we know about geology and natural history goes against a global flood happening.
In fact doesn't even make sense how all that water could fill the earth up to mountain tops in 40 days without burning up the atmosphere.
Alongside many, many more impossibillity. This is obviously a mythological story, one we can confidently trace back to earlier flood account from older cultures.
You must know deep in your heart that it's bullshit, but Jesus makes you feel good so you repress your reason.

>>84324181
>I'll pray for you.
factually will do nothing, in fact the whole idea of praying for somebody goes against the modern christian notion of an all powerful all good god.
It's merely the relic of a time where Yahweh wasn't yet an all knowing, all powerful and all good god, and could be appeased with things like animal sacrifice as shown many times in the old testament.

>>84324946
You're evil if you think people in a hospital deserve to suffer complications if someone else is praying for them

>>84324996
My favorite concession from Ken Ham is that the Ark Encounter, using modern building strategies and materials, still needed steel supports to stand still on land with no inclement weather. Taxpayer money well spent.

>>84324946
Again it's not that they were asking god for their surgery to go well someone else did

It is hilarious the backpedaling OP continues to do in the face of evidence that prayer literally hurts more than it helps

>>84320244
you cannot be an ex-gay if you've taken dick in your ass btw
thats like saying you can be an ex-murderer or ex-rapist like nah man youre gay for life

>>84324946
Imagine I told you I'm praying you get a Lamborghini and this angers god so much he makes you homeless and nothing happens to me even if it was me who used the prayer wrong. This is what this is about you don't deserve to be tested by being made homeless just because I hoped something good would happen to you

I would love to know where sexual morality draws the line according to OP. Child marriage? Legalized in America's reddest, most Christian states. Rape? You can marry POWs and sexually enslave women of both your own tribe and neighboring tribes for life. Abortion? God calls baby meat a snack, including their foreskins, and he seems keen on making his kings dash the little ones upon the jagged stones.
So we need to follow god's perfect law with regards to homosexuality, but not rape, incest, sex slavery, child marriage, and baby murder.

>>84324994
And, evidently, they hate me for it.

>>84324996
Nothing you said here is verified. You don't know it's impossible to fit two of every species on an ark, have you personally tried? How do you prove there was no flood?

>>84325019
>factually will do nothing
You don't know what prayer is or does. It's not an instant material wealth ritual. I'm praying for your salvation.

>>84325064
People deserve whatever God sends their way. I am in no position to judge otherwise. No human is.

>>84325100
This just proves that THEY couldn't do it.

>>84325149
No one's backpedaling, I'm telling you you're fundamentally misunderstanding the purpose of prayer.

>>84325152
Homosexuality is the attraction to members of the same sex. For as long as you are attracted to members of the same sex, you are a homosexual. If you are no longer attracted to members of the same sex, you are no longer homosexual. It's not the same as being a murderer. Redemption is always possible.

>>84325157
>Imagine I told you I'm praying you get a Lamborghini and this angers god so much he makes you homeless and nothing happens to me even if it was me who used the prayer wrong.
See, there it is again. Fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of prayer. You act as if you have the authority to command God Himself.

>>84325182
I don't have all the answers, all I know is I've been delivered from my homosexuality. I don't know every else you want but expecting me to be a complete expert on all human sexuality and ethics just in order to be allowed to have an opinion on the subject is unrealistic. Do you know everything?

>>84325677
Meanwhile I'm also praying for other people to get a Lamborghini but they actually get a Lamborghini because I didn't tell them I was praying for it and other people who I wasn't praying for get a Lamborghini too and it's just you who gets screwed over because I told you I wanted something good to happen but I don't suffer any consequences for my mistake you do. If god was good all people would just get the Lamborghini or at least the non believers wouldn't get one

>>84325695
>If god was good all people would just get the Lamborghini or at least the non believers wouldn't get one
Absolutely nonsensical statement based on vile materialism. You only ever think in immediate, tangible rewards. "If prayer worked I'd be a billionaire and I wouldn't have any problems or reasons to struggle." It's pathetic and it fundamentally misconstrues why we maintain communion with God in the first place. Your morals have been completely atrophied by this world. You've sold your soul for jewels.

>>84325728
The prayer did work until people were informed they were being prayed for. Either god isn't real and people had too much faith in the prayer or god specifically chose to fuck the people who knew they were being prayed for over

>>84325677
>Nothing you said here is verified. You don't know it's impossible to fit two of every species on an ark, have you personally tried? How do you prove there was no flood?
Wew lad, this is my favorite kind of creationist argument. Allow me to go down the list!
>impossible to fit two of every species on an ark
We DO know this. The creationist timeline is 6000 years of human history with 2000 before Noah's flood, and we have 2.17 million species. This means either there are too many animals for the ark to hold (wood has limits, as the museum's steel support system proves), or if there were very few species on the ark, there had to be millions of speciation events in the last 4000 years. Extrapolating the math, that would be an average of 542.5 speciation events PER YEAR from 2000BCE to today. So we know the only two possibilities within our physical reality are that animal species cannot be explained on an earth that had a global flood.
>have you personally tried?
Ooooh, you got me there. Except there have been MILLENNIA of seafaring vessels, made of a variety of materials and in a variety of form factors, and NOT A SINGLE ONE could ever hold hundreds of thousands of animal species and their feces and their parasites and their food supply, without buckling under its own weight. The bible literally gives us measurements in the form of cubit-dimensions, and they're fucking stupid. According to those measurements, pi is 3, no decimal places at all. Which we know is fucking stupid. So we have a ship made entirely of wood, in the shape of a box, drafted and constructed by a senile old man who couldn't even figure out pi, and yet today, with reinforced steel and vacuum sealing and diamond plating, we can't even come close to holding all mammals on the ark. Moving on.
>how do you prove there is no flood?
Your hubris is beautiful. Unfortunately I'm at the end of my character limit, so I'm going to dedicate a whole fuckin post to it!

>>84320244
years of living in the closet makes them devious

>>84325677
>You don't know it's impossible to fit two of every species on an ark, have you personally tried?
the bible literally gives the exact dimsension of the arc, it is factually not large enough to contain every type of animals.
>I'm praying for your salvation.
Do you think you have an effect on God's will ? That he will try harder to save me because you asked ? That makes no sens .

>>84325748
Here we go, it's time for peak flood posting hours!
>point 1: a worldwide flood requires a lot of fuckin water.
Even if we melted all the ice caps and rained all the clouds out of the sky, the amount of water would only be enough for a few feet of additional water across the world, not exactly stacked higher than Mount Sinai for an entire year.
>what about the firmament?
Didn't exist. If there was a firmament separating "the waters" of space from "the waters" of the ocean, this wouldn't cause a flood, it would cause the entire earth to be surrounded in water. Space is pretty big, numpnut. If it's not space holding all the water but the firmament itself being made of water, and it was positioned somewhere in our outer atmosphere, then the downpour on the first day of flooding would literally boil all life on earth, including that within the ark, because that's a lot of kinetic energy. Regardless, this is all stupid, cause we know the water is not there for such a flood.
>point 2: entire civilizations existed around the time of the global flood, and not only were they fine, they didn't all have flood myths.
The Akkadians weren't exterminated by a flood, despite existing parallel to the story of the flood.
>aren't there a whole lot of flood legends?
They all exist on islands and near major rivers like the Nile. No shit they had flood legends. Some of those legends included people surviving this worldwide, higher-than-the-highest-mountain flood by climbing a palm tree. Or individuals and families surviving with a small wooden box being used as a life preserver. Not exactly earth-shattering.
>point 3: the grand canyon couldn't be made by a flood.
I like pointing this out because creationists lie about the grand canyon so much. The grand canyon's formation took an almost lightning-arc style shape in its carvings, which a global flood is incapable of doing. Try dumping a bucket of water down a hill and tell me how the water moves (not like the grand canyon).

>>84325677
>I am in no position to judge otherwise.
You were eager to attribute aids to divine punisment for homsexuality and witchcraft (lmao) earlier in the thread.

>>84325876
Christians speak out both sides of their mouth when it comes to judgment. They're scared to admit they actually do judge people for things that are not inherently bad, so they hide behind "love the sinner hate the sin" and "I'm not judging, but God will" -- anything to hide their religion's exploitation of the disgust response to enforce social conformity. They're free-thinking(TM) and individual(TM) Christians who are totally fine with discourse and differing worldviews, as long as God's Perfect Law(TM)(C) isn't questioned! Where does gender nonconformity fit into that? UHHHHHHHHHH........GOD MADE THEM MAN AND WOMAN I GUESS.

>>84325906
When they have an opinion they think it must be because they understand God's will, which always conviniently agrees with them, but when pressed they suddenly take a humble stance where they couldn't possibly know what God wants or why.

>>84325933
Humility would mean starting from a standpoint of uncertainty and reasoning one's way into an opinion onto something like what constitutes sin, but what usually ends up happening is some vibe-focused ick factor that is retroactively called good and evil later. Or they don't even bother with retroactively naming things this way and just say an authority agrees. Which is funny because they'll accuse the science-minded of us of being elitists who only appeal to authority, meanwhile they conjured an ultimate authority to appeal to on all matters of politics, society and morality.

>>84325740
>The prayer did work
>did work
>did work
Stop looking at prayer as a process of marking and granting wishes. That's not what prayer is for. Whether or not the patients recover or die is irrelevant to prayer. Prayer is communion with God, not a request form. Stop thinking about it that way. The outcomes in the material world are irrelevant. You don't always get what you want in this life. This body is not your home.

>>84325748
>The creationist timeline is 6000 years of human history with 2000 before Noah's flood, and we have 2.17 million species.
Most of which are amoeba. Very easy to fit into an ark.
>So we know the only two possibilities within our physical reality
Miracles are direct subversions of the supposed laws of physical reality; things that shouldn't be possible but do happen. An event like this one would not be possible to replicate without God's command, and that's the point. Trying to replicate it scientifically will not yield results, and yet there are countless records from unrelated people who did not know each other all corroborating that this did, in fact, happen. Because God's will supersedes our limited understanding of reality. The will always be unexplained phenomena, and it is not our position to try to forge an explanation all the time.

>>84325753
LOL. Clearly. Can't you see how many logical fallacies they throw around? They can't form even a single sentence without relying on one.

>>84325760
>the bible literally gives the exact dimsension of the arc, it is factually not large enough to contain every type of animals.
See above. It should not be physically possible to duplicate fish or transform water into wine on command, and yet it did happen because that is by definition what a miracle is. A physical impossibility becoming fact. Even atheists believe in miracles; according to the atheist worldview, the mathematical odds of any of us coming into existence are so extraordinary low that each of our existences would be rendered practically impossible. And yet, here we are. Miracles are fact.
>Do you think you have an effect on God's will ?
No, but I didn't say that I did, did I? You don't know what prayer is for.

>>84325801
None of this is verified at all, and you still haven't provided a response to the fact that there are multiple congruent accounts of the flood from different people who never met each other. You're wrong.

>>84325876
That wasn't me casting judgment. I can't single-handedly punish populations for their sin. I'm just telling you why the things that are happening are happening, not judging you for it.

>>84325906
The fact that you're so angry at a god you supposedly don't even believe in speaks volumes. I don believe in the tooth fairy, but do you see me cursing the tooth fairy's name or wishing harm on children who do believe in the tooth fairy? No. You're threatened by the mere idea of God's existence because you know that if God does exist, and there's sufficient evidence that He does, you are in big trouble.

>>84325933
>which always conviniently agrees with them
Certainly not? Do you know how often Christians go through strife? And yet their faith usually remains unshaken because thy understand that God's will may at times divulge from theirs and that's OK. Those who trust in Him will be blessed with His grace on the afterlife. The same cannot be said about you, because you are a flagrantly ignorant, dishonest and corrupt blasphemer. Your blood is on your hands.

>>84325954
You should take a moment to calm down before you say anything that could earn you an eternity of pure torment.