>>84382955
There is no single "problem" with incels. The entire subhuman sub-race of incels IS the problem. You are just a pile of useless garbage living for the benefit of the global elite. The perfect slaves: quiet, broken, and incapable of protest.

If you do not even have the spirit to talk to a girl, what damage can you possibly do to the system that poisons you? You are just a pathetic group of sub-3 rejects that women only look at out of pity. Keep posting these meaningless threads and jerking off to hentai arts while dreaming of a real woman. You are exactly where the hierarchy wants you to be.

>>84382955
>what do you think is the biggest problem of the incels here when it comes to getting sex
They are mentally retarded. Literally.
This is bad luck and then them getting into echo chambers

>>84382995
>If you do not even have the spirit to talk to a girl
you never approach girls either its all big talk

>>84382955
I always hate how incel == sex. If I wanted only sex I could pay a hooker or find a sugarbaby or someshit.
I just want to have an actual relationship with a woman that is not fat and have her actually like and want to be with me.

>>84383010
Spoken like a true bottom-feeder. Just because your world is limited to your basement and your hand, doesn't mean everyone else is paralyzed by the same fear.
The difference between me and you is that I see the system for what it is, while you make excuses for your own cowardice. Keep coping, it is the only thing you are good at.

>>84383001
Probably this. However, I feel bad for the ones who just never got the chance to learn social skills, had a couple of really bad experiences and just withdrew completely. Those ones I'd like to help.

>>84382995
> living for the benefit of the global elite
I am not living for the benefit of anyone. I have never contributed to the system.

>>84382955
Being ugly is certainly the major setback for most incels. It makes it very difficult, and given that most people are superficial, it tends to poison your mind on the matter, so even if they did meet a woman who isn't superficial, they're toxic and essentially shoot themselves in the foot before anything can happen.
Incels are usually radicalized young (highschool, early 20s) when people are the most superficial, and never give dating a try past that. Only wanting a virgin woman certainly doesn't help, but if that's truly the case they're a volcel and this thread isn't for them.

>>84382995
>If you do not even have the spirit to talk to a girl
<sub-3 rejects that women only look at out of pity
Which one is it? You somehow both recognize that the issue is appearance but also claim that incels' problem is not having confidence.

>>84383115
That is exactly what they want you to think, you absolute midwit. The system does not need your "contribution" if it can have your silence. By rotting in your room, you have removed yourself from the gene pool and the social hierarchy.

You are a zero. A non-threat. You consume their slop, use their bandwidth, and waste your life force on meaningless boards while the people you hate run the world unopposed. Your "existence" is a statistical error they have already accounted for. You are not "not contributing", you are just a battery that is slowly leaking into the dirt. Real men change the world through action or retribution, you just exist to fill a chair.

>>84382955
malecels; their fault, zero question
femcels; also men's fault, zero question

>>84382955
The biggest black pill is that the physical world is crude, barbaric, and ugly. It's an imperfect thing striving for perfection. It tries in vain to bring beauty and perfection into itself to mimic the beauty of the spiritual. You can see this all around you. Women are simply victims in this system, but still partly to blame. They are nothing but vehicles by which this world tries to reach higher. All of life is like this. It evolves, it selects, it clamors and climbs. Those who do not actively buy into this "matrix" of normativity whether willingly (normies) or unwillingly (ugly incels) are discarded. For the sake of your sanity, leave this ugly system behind. Many of the great thinkers and philosophers have come to this same conclusion. The physical world has nothing for people like us.

>>84383062
It is both, you illiterate tool. Being sub-3 is the hand you were dealt, but being a spineless coward who rots in a basement is a choice you make every morning.

A man with a sub-3 face and the soul of a conqueror will still find a way to inflict his will on the world. You use your appearance as an excuse to avoid the pain of effort. You are not single because you are ugly; you are single because you are a pathetic, boring shell of a human being with zero agency. Appearance is the lock, but your lack of spirit is why you never even tried to turn the key.

>>84383079
A candle that burns twice as bright burns out twice as fast. Your bravado will inevitably fall short of what's required of you. Your struggle is admirable but foolish.

>>84383079
100% guarantee you this guy is a virgin

>>84383079
The world isnt a fairytale anon.

Imagine a sub3 actually going out in the world to "inflict his will", at best nothing will happen and he'll be back where he started.

>>84383030
>Probably this. However, I feel bad for the ones who just never got the chance to learn social skills, had a couple of really bad experiences and just withdrew completely. Those ones I'd like to help.
I dislike the ones who have opportunities thrown at them. It's sour grapes but it is what it is.

>>84382955
I'm 35 have had sex and I have plenty enough life experience to say the majority of "incels" just don't try to be social enough and don't try to go for women on their level enough if they really wanted results. And often this is for good reason because it's a miserable humiliation ritual that's not worth it. But the fact of the matter is if you REALLY wanted to get laid and that's all you cared about you could. But it's not going to be some stacy or becky you jerk off too it's going to be some chubby FAS face bitch that had dumb parents. Every loser I knew growing up fucked some dumb loser girl atleast once. I only know one true virgin who is fat and turbo autistic and he literally just hasn't acted on his opportunities he very much could have got laid a few times but chose not to act on his chance so it's not even like it was impossible for him. That's the truth. It's like people who say it's "impossible for them to get money" no you can get money but are you willing to consistently do what you have to do to get it, pussy is the same thing. Look all around you in public plenty of goofball fat short dopey faced men are fathers and have wives and girlfriends. It's not a looksmax equation it's about behavior and what you're willing to do. It's ok to abstain from it all just be honest with yourself you want a ideal not what you can really get.

most incels are just mentalcels. not without reason, since social media is pretty good at dividing the general, brainless population. very few are actually *sub 3* or genuinely undateable

>>84383087 >>84383088 >>84383090
Look at you bunch of crabs in a bucket, pulling down anyone who mentions a spine.

To the "philosopher": I would rather burn out in a second than rot for 80 years like a fungus. To the "virgin hunter": projection is a hell of a drug, stay in your basement. And to the "realist": you think "inflicting will" means being a movie star? It means taking what you want despite your face.

The fact that my words make you this uncomfortable proves that deep down, you know I am right. You have chosen the safety of your "sub-3" label because it excuses your absolute lack of balls. You are not victims of biology, you are victims of your own cowardice.

>>84383102
If you had opportunities do you think you could convert one into a girl sucking on your pp

>>84383087
We aren't candles. Stop asking chatgpt for reply advice. Your lack of a struggle is dishonorable and foolish, you are the source of your problems.

>>84383122
You don't have to struggle against the imperfect world. Your issues are yours alone. I've already solved mine by dropping the weights that kept me down. I'm not like you.

>>84382955
>Sex havers of r9k, what do you think is the biggest problem of the incels here when it comes to getting sex.
Unwillingness to take risks, inability to learn from social mistakes. You guys just don't actually put yourselves in situations that would allow a girl to come on to you.
>Is it their own fault or just bad luck?
A mix of both. Some women will fuck anyone. But you have to be willing to get rejected. And you have to be willing to fuck a girl you don't like or have a crush on or anything.
>Did you have to try hard to get sex?
No, but I was a virgin for a while. I started getting laid once I stopped giving a fuck. I would say visible lack of social confidence is the biggest turn off for a woman.

>>84383026
I had sex with 3 hookers but none for free. I consider myself an incel indeed. I cheated so i did not beat the game so to say. Just did not want to die a virgin without physically experiencing sex.

>>84383122
Imagine being so brain-rotted by incel forums that you think basic literacy and having a spine requires an AI.

The fact is, today is my very first time on 4chan. I never expected that for subhumans like you, my dialect would be such an ideal creation that you think only an AI is capable of it. Thanks, boys. Somebody is going to sleep with very pleasant thoughts today knowing I mogged you all on my first try XXDDD.

Go back to your echo chamber, Softcap. Your tripcode won't save you from being a ghost in the real world.

>>84383132
Was it worth it? I've toyed around with the idea and talked with some but I always felt it would be worthless and nothing would change anyways

>>84383116
Did you forget where you are currently posting you fucking loser lmao

>>84383119
>If you had opportunities do you think you could convert one into a girl sucking on your pp
I have.

>>84383162
Based dicklet anon

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>>84382955
I do not meet woman organically so to say via my work or social circle. I went to a bunch of events via meetup (specific website) for a few years say once every month but it led to nothing when it comes to sex. I feel kind of cringe when it comes to just pursuing hobbies for women, perhaps just an excuse. I just do not meet women if I life my life organically so to say. I have to go out of my way to do so and each time I just feel like a cringe try hard that does something other men do not need to do in order to meet women and be normal. Anyone relate?

>>84383144
uh huh sure thing sweaty back to r eddit now

>>84383144
i remember reading this kind of cringe comments during the msn era. they were kinda fun sometimes

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>>84383153
I understand your hesitation. The key to the answer was in my previous message. I am not going to lie to you I had a vague hope that things would change after it, but the main thing was that I just wanted to experience sex before death Life is unpredictable and people can die young, I figured I may get hit by a car tomorrow and that would be it. If you can relate to what I thought then I honestly would say go for it. if you think you still have a chance and do not think as negatively as me when it comes to death hold off on it. I did not even like it much (2nd time was better while 3rd time was shit again) but that is for very specific reasons to do with me. Basically I type a fuckton (my thing) but do you see yourself getting it in the future and do you value just experiencing the physical sensation before death? Also keep in mind some say it did help them gain more confidence and get with real women. i am just sharing my specific experience. It has been years later and I would still be a virgin without it, I am just that retarded.

>>84383079
Wow you are flinging a lot of shit at me. None of that is true. And I disagree that a 2/10 with "spirit" can reasonably expect to find a gf. But you are right that a lack of confidence makes it more difficult to find women, however confidence comes from results, and if one is repeatedly rejected due to one's looks I wouldn't put that lack of confidence on their spirit being weak but simply a result of their observations about how women treat them.

>>84382955
>Incels what do you think your biggest problem is in regards to getting sex?
Browncel/IQcel
Too smart to converse with avg retards. I have everything women say they want(6'4, symmetrical face with jawline, lean, >6 in cock, worth 4 mil) but I'm brown in white spaces. Black women say im too white not thug not their type. White women/Asian women aren't attracted to me or are instantly intimidated. Being high IQ I took the whore/sugarbaby/Escort route a looooong time ago and am planning on a SE asia truip soon. TL;DR Dating racism and The stupidity and vapidness of the avg woman.

Honestly, I think some people are naturally born incels.
Like they are born into it.
And at the core of it, they just have a fundamental dislike of women.
They didn't develop a dislike of women from being rejected. Rather, its something that they never developed.

Think about it, no one likes playing the dating game. No one likes talking to women that much. There is a lot of bullshit that comes with allat.
But of course our society and our biology compel us to push through it. And a lot of men have this innate like of women that helps them push through to the other side.
Some men don't have that. So we get the pattern of:

>little anon doesn't like woman that much -> society and hormones force him to interact with women -> its a grating experience for him because he doesn't have the X factor -> leads to resentment

The best way to deal with incels isn't to keep pushing them to interact with women. Its the opposite. Take the pressure of them. Let them live their lives and engage in their hobbies and they will be happy and won't be resentful.
When we throw away this idea that everyone has to be interacting with women all the time, we will be happier as a society.

>>84382955
Small social circles is I think the most common one. A lot of shy/withdrawn people here who just don't interact with women much and don't have a lot of friends, of course you won't get a gf if girls don't know you even exist
though it's a big board and other people will have other reasons

>>84382955
https://voca.ro/18DE21RAFsvl
>tldr
looks, luck, autistic or looking for women on r9k
>Did you have to try hard to get sex?
the journey was hard but eventually the foid made it easy for me to interact with her which is a sign of attraction

>>84383323
I heard your voice before. Going nowhere with this but cheers anon. Good to hear you are doing will on your sex having journey.

>>84382955
Incels aren't extroverted enough. That is it. Women only care about extroversion and physical attractiveness, but extroversion is way more important as long as you are at a bare minimum level of attractiveness. A gorgeous sperg won't get laid as often as an average looking guy who has zero inhibitions, from personal experience. The gorgeous sperg would have to defeat all of his instincts just to get laid once and it would be an achievement, where the plain extrovert would just have sex fall into his lap.

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>>84383323
>>84383406
Also I actually agree on the point about the wife hitting this. I do not trust the female perspective about incels being incels because they hate women. Actual wife beaters and women murderers have sex. but if you mention that that gives them a huge ick. I think it all comes down to confidence. I am an incel and I feel like that is my biggest issue. I hate myself. I could by anyone at all other than that and I would gain bitches. but low confidence poisons me everywhere I go and no matter what I do.

Sex haver here. At the end of the day, it's women who decide who gets a relationship and who doesnt, not men. And hoeflation is real. Every single woman out there thinks she's a 9 or a 10. Even if she's a balding seacow she'll still say "I'm a little chubby, but I'm a 9," and she'll settle for nothing less than Edward Cullen, and the crazy thing is men are so desperate she will find some guy who will settle for a seacow.

To be fair, there are a lot of guys out there who are fat and gross, and the fact that they wont diet or exercise or shower or do anything is entierly their own fault. But the amount of fat and gross women out there greatly outnumber fat and gross men. This is statistics. 80% of women in the US are overweight versus something like 40% of men. It's absolutely ridiculous and a huge contributing factor in sexlessness. Women don't want fat men, men don't want fat women, but will settle if pushed to.

>>84383269
Foids should never give advice because they don't understand the problem. Incels need to interact with girls more? Where do you think they live, school, and work? In a boys only country?

>>84383323
How did having sex actually finally happen for you?

>>84382955
They do not go places where they're forced to interact with women and their standards are too high. Only about 10% of incels are true-cels. The other 90% just want to fuck a cute 19 year old sorority girl and refuse to settle for less, which I mean, fair enough, but that doesn't make you an incel.

>>84383027
We'll see who gets fucked in divorce court retard. Plenty of normies with chips on their shoulders thought just like you trying to feel better about themselves when they actively enable the bullshit incels warn others about, it's ironic you call anyone a coward let alone a slave when you're the ones pushing the gears in fear of dying alone while incels refuse to push it. Even those who ascended feel hollow because it's bullshit cope even if you're a winner.

>>84383116
go spew your verbal diarrhea nobody is buying that you're doing this to help anons

>>84383638
talked to a fellow virgin girl and we had sex and ended up dating
i never really looked half bad and my autism was under control. im a somewhat articulate guy as well

>>84382995
This was written by an incel who has never seen a vagina.

>>84383882
Who better to know the nature of an incel then

>>84382955
my boyfriend wont have sex with me. he will only kiss and fondle my feet. and tie me up on coffee-tables & use vibrator on me. i have trouble orgasming and wish i could squirt like i did two times years ago by myself. what should i do?
i love him.

>>84383934
Why do you have trouble orgasming? You need penetration, he needs to get gud, or you have some sort of mental hang up?

>>84383952
im not sure, i think its a mental hang up.

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>>84382995
>You are just a pile of useless garbage living for the benefit of the global elite.
what are you talking about retard, it is normies who slavishly serve the elite, worshiping celebrities, paying taxes to pedophiles and being completely numb and docile, never putting a stop to it

>>84383958
When did it start? Did anything happen to you around that time?

>>84382995
How is dropping out and leeching off the system benefiting it?

>>84383975
my boyfriend is in the bed with me as i type this and he's just read this and said "oh boy" and he's talking to his friends on the phone.
i have always had trouble. ive been addicted to pornography since i was a kid. i also have trauma around sex.

>>84383986
>my boyfriend won't have sex with me
>also he's right next to me right now
uhhhh......?
>i also have trauma around sex
Sounds like that's probably the biggest cause with porn being secondary. Given the fact that he's lying next to you whilst you complain to men online about how he isn't fucking you, I don't expect him to be able to help you.

>>84382955
The biggest problem is that women are overall just as porn brained as men are. As a white guy, I can't get laid no matter what I do. Even with 3rd worlders. Because as soon as they see a black man it's all over. Much more in shape, muscular, their skin has a sheen to it, and the media portrays them as the epitome of desirable masculinity. They tend to live well enough on their own thanks to government housing and benefits so they can engage in dangerous but attractive trades like drug dealing and gangs. They usually grow up with women around them so they know how to speak to women and with their close knit friend groups (gangs) develop a healthy, confident masculinity. That's nothing to say of how they perform in bed, overall being larger and more pleasing to women of all races. They're also more socially conscious and acceptable in their political leanings which is a big deal for women.
So yeah, the reason I'm an Incel is because I'm just a racist little Timmy like all my fellow white boys with a nanopenis

Just the entire nature of incels. You can sense their entitlement and desperation. They overcompensate and it becomes even worse. Then they blame everyone but themselves.

Thankfully, the above only accounts for a small subset of incels. Sometimes, incels need to accept they're not relationship material to most girls. That's just bad luck that they are around those types. Many are not in this category, thankfully. Sure, I get it, they have that agonizing urge to do so. Not just sex, but needing a relationship

I have no real solid advice. "B urself XD" is stupid advice. Stop doing things for girls (e.g. lifting, going to church, etc.) Just go have some fun. Maybe you can network a bit. At church, there was an incel who hit the event horizon and just stopped. He started going to actually learn the Word and worship God. Eventually, he did get very lucky and started talking to a girl there and eventually noticed she was interested, they went out to do stuff, and it was implied they were dating without him realizing it. Note, the girl did have a bodycount and was divorced (not a single mother though.)

That reminds me: lower your standards. Stacy and Stacylite is not going to go for you. You are not going to get a virgin. Women are sluts by nature and have already lost their virginity by age 16.

>>84383026
It does equate to sex. By the very nature of the word. What you are is Love Shy

>>84382955
Disregard womens advice on dating women have no game and don't know how to flirt or approach someone they are interested in.

Make yourself as physically attractive as you reasonably can e.g. hygiene grooming fashion fitness.

Set yourself a minimum standard that you think is reasonable and approach every woman that exceeds it. This sounds shallow and it is but that's your only option. Don't waste your time getting hung up on women that aren't interested move on quickly to the next. You will be rejected most of time but you need to practice talking to women as much as you can.

This is just old school pua shit but it works eventually.

>Sex havers of r9k, what do you think is the biggest problem of the incels here when it comes to getting sex
#1 - they are ugly. unpleasant to look at, they don't spark the desire

>>84382955
Their unwillingness to try. Just depressed losers who would rather put zero effort into themselves and complain than simply being pleasant to be around, which is truthfully the only thing required to eventually stumble into having sex at some point or another.

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>>84383176
>Anyone relate?
Very hard, yes. Except the last two years I have worked a job that has allowed me to meet women, but even still nothing happens with them.
The feeling like a tryhard thing, though, yeah, it's very relatable. Like, what am I gonna do, go take a dance class or a cooking class or something that 1) I don't actually want to do and 2) if I did want to learn about such things I could probably just watch YouTube videos about them, just to for a chance (not even anything close to a guarantee) that I could meet a girl and date her? As badly as I want a girlfriend, it has not gotten so bad that I'm willing to do that.
I think the huge boom in popularity of the term "humiliation ritual" is apt and justified. The thought that some of the things we as people do to try to accomplish a certain thing, in this case meeting women, which on paper are so far away from actually directly doing the thing we really want, and the true purpose of this being the entertainment of some unknown entity watching from on high, it really feels like that could be the truth. I don't REALLY think that's the truth, but it's weird how plausible that seems.

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>>84383176
yea, I think if you have to force the connection, your long-term prospects are dim. I don't meet single women via my hobbies (outdoorsy shit, foodie shit, wine, travel, all that yuppie stuff), but I meet a shitload of married ones and they're usually flummoxed that I'm single. idk how many times I've been told I'm a good catch...maybe that's true, but nobody's fishing in my waters

>>84383781
yea I agree with you anyone thats >>84383027 this vocal about an opinion that benefits them nothing to defend so emotionally clearly is insecure about their own stance. no one runs around telling other people theyre wrong without seeking something from it personally on an emotional or psychological level.

>>84383226
>Wow you are flinging a lot of shit at me. None of that is true
"ah yes I lack valid counter points I will simply say none of it's right that will show them"
spoken like a true retard

>>84382955
former sexhaver here
Just stopped bothering to try, it's nice but so not worth all the fucking dating/relationship bullshit that comes with it

>>84383065
>By rotting in your room, you have removed yourself from the gene pool and the social hierarchy.
My genes are my main problem, they made me inferior to other men.
Why do I want them in the gene pool?
Removal of my genes will make world better place. Higher height, more square jaws, larger dicks. Things society needs the most.

>>84382995
I get disability and unemployment pay while you slave away for Mr. Shekelstein and pay taxes to big gov

>>84385158
Current sexhaver here
It's not that hard and other than when they're on their period, you can just bury yourself in her pussy rather than squirting on a tissue. it doesn't even compare
>>84385169
Weird way to say you live on charity. You're welcome though.

>>84385174
Thank you for funding my lifestyle wagie

>>84385186
That's fine. I get a breakdown of where my taxes go and I can feel good that a percentage of what I earn goes towards allowing untermensch like you to survive. It makes me feel magnanimous. Noblesse oblige. You know. Well, you don't know. But I'm sure you're aware of the concept.

>>84382955
It's entirely an attitude and outlook on life problem. I was an incel, I unfucked myself, getting sex became wildly easy. I even have a kid now. Have a job, don't be the most misanthropic cynical fuck alive, and you can get laid. I have known manlet retard scumbags that fucked so much the local std clinic knew them by their nickname.

>>84385219
>Have a job, don't be the most misanthropic cynical fuck alive, and you can get laid.
That a big normalfags lie.
To get laid you need to go to places with women where you become top 20% men. Just blindly approaching women will not attain you anything, you would be put aside by these top 20% men.
Yes getting job helps of xoruse it moves your material and social standing up very much.

>>84385247
>have gotten laid
Nice. I'm at least top 20% of men. Thanks anon.

>>84382955
I think that incels are only 25% as valid as they think they are. There's some legitimate cases of it being completely not their fault, especially when it comes to physical deformities or trauma. But most of their problem is self-sabotage. They reject themselves before they even try. They think they know, they think they have it all figured out, when really life is full of surprises. Things that people never would have anticipated in a million years happen all the time.

>>84385344
Did you write that boomercope drivel yourself or did chatgpt regurgitate it for you?

>>84382955
Largest problem incels have is that they dislike women and glorify sex with them as a means of validating their psychological development

Instead, they should hate women and revile sex, as it is nothing but a tool for women to validate people who make them feel good in shallow ways rather than long-term planning, which has doomed the species. No dignity, no class, no character.

A combination of so many things that'd be insanely hard to list. Not all of it is their fault, but they also have a play into so many of the factors as well. Their biggest problems though is their blaming of others for their own faults and their own biased views.

Yeah, we're all dealt shit in some way or another. At least others make the best of it, even the most unfortunate. That is unlike incels. Some of us have it in easy mode. Tough shit, deal with it. It's extremely unattractive to wallow in it.

>>84385349
This wouldn't be the first time I've been accused of being AI. I don't even use chatgpt, I just am kinda autistic. And yet I've had sex, and you haven't.

>>84385197
You are not and will never be noblesse oblige.
Je n'y crois pas.

>>84382955
obviously you gotta look somewhat attractive. I'm autistic af but still managed to date in hs/uni. The problem is that dating standards is much higher due to social media and online dating. Its hard to compete with easy access to someone who's better than you. You were born in the worst time to have relationship. Before tinder it people used to know each other as friends or classmates and only then date. Now its about wasting money on restaurants (on first date lol) and hoping she wont ghost you. It's bleak.

>>84385384
You can't BE noblesse oblige anon, you idiot. You receive something from my wealth because you are unable to provide for yourself, like a sad pauper. I do not hate you, I am happy I can assist those who cannot assist themselves. You're welcome.

I don't have any advice for incels except: cope, mald, and seethe

>>84385344
Problem society changes so fast society can't keep up with changes.
Like most people who become adults in 80 are still alive and they perpetuate opinions and ideas that wee cakus in there youth but now completely non viable.
2000s, 2010 (when all normies hopped on smartphones and social media) all had drastic changes but people miss the memo
Society aren't ready for Pareto principle applied to dating.

>>84385375
You are a cookie cutter of every other coping boomer.

slop thread

do better /r9k/

>>84384381
At the very least I do not think it will happen if one just stays holed up between 4 walls either. But as the anon above also said it very quickly makes me feel even more unconfident if I go out and do something I do not really want to do just to meet women. Like just put a clown nose on me at that point. Also sometimes it feels like most got a partner already anyway.

Trying too hard. Literally. You severely overanalyze us, incels. That's my tiny hint for you. Figure it out.

>>84382955
My problem is I was homeschooled and never had a chance to succeed with women. By the time I got to even exist around people my own age, everyone had already had sex, was comfortable with their bodies, and knew how to talk to talk to the opposite sex.
I was anxious, but thought trying to be nice would be fine. I fundamentally did not understand women and thought trying to push to date them or have sex with them would end badly, so I think I came as asexual.
Not knowing what to do, I ended up focusing on self improvement to improve odds of being successful: going to the gym, making money, etc, but all the while it made me sink deeper and deeper as time went on and I stayed at zero experience and other people grew more.
Now I'm 30 and have never had success with a woman and fear it's too late for me to begin.

>>84382995
>what damage can you possibly do to the system that poisons you?
What damage are normalfags doing to the system? Their elite openly rape kids and they can't even form a protest. Incels don't either but why would they, they barely even participate and are treated as subhuman trash as you say. You are tax paying cattle, slave to a woman, slave to your kids, slave to big corporations, slave to the gubmint so tens of millions of worthless leeches can live off your dime, you're a slave to god damn everyone. An incel might be a slave but at least he knows he's not free, you're a slave who falsely believes they are free.

>>84382955
Try a little harder and lie a bit more.

>>84383458
>Women don't want fat men, men don't want fat women, but will settle if pushed to.
Very true but men who go for fat women are always weird, either low status or low self-esteem. They'll say you have unrealistic standards but I just don't want a woman who weighs over 200 pounds because I weigh 200 pounds. Further, I'd rather just not fuck than fuck a big fat nasty woman because I have the barest iota of self-respect.

>>84382955
@fabianball569

>>84382995
>>84383079
>JUST BUILD YOUR EMPIRE CHUD
Kek, shit's so absurd that it becomes a little funny, it's like telling a guy with a horse to just win 24h of le mans

>>84382955
My biggest problem as an incel is that females are too picky and only want the top 20% of men and refuse to date unattractive incels like me that don't make effort to be chads. Females should simply lower their standards. The fact that they won't is unfair and oppressive and I will die mad about it.

>>84382955
Their own fault. Even when you try to help them they attack you or tell you how you're wrong.

>>84386221
I think when it comes to women in general you can be whatever but you must have confidence. If you do not have that you are fucked. And that is me.

>>84382955
>Incels what do you think your biggest problem is in regards to getting sex?
the problem is not looking like a model

>>84383001
>>84383030
insane cope about social skills, just look at all the chadfishing experiments to know you can even talk like a stereotypical incel to a woman and she'll still insist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmUgyHrR8wc

all the retards saying "it's their own fault" like >>84386962 >>84384258 simply have never seen any blackpilling scenario like chadfishes probably because they ignore them or are scared of the truth for some stupid reason

>>84386992
Confidence is not everything. It's only a tiny part of it. You are not going to win anyone over with just confidence. Your confidence can easily be shattered by continuous rejection. Everyone has their breaking point.

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>>84387190
Not anyone and it is not everything. But you sure as fuck will win some women over. There is a near zero chance of being an incel if you have confidence. You do not need to win over "every" woman for that. That is not the point.

>>84382955
Their own fault, mostly not putting themselves out there and not acknowledging their standards and how things like anime and porn ruin them

most normies simply have lower standards

>>84382955
You have no personality. You have shit haircuts. You look dirty. You have a victim complex. You're timid and afraid. You have poor choice of fashion that you've worn since high school. You have zero hobbies. You have zero life skills. You have no balls to take risks.

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Sex is overrated. I get much better pleasure from jacking off to be honest l.

>>84382955
most incels are just unlikable faggots who sit there and talk about wanting a tradwife type relationship but if they had a gf they'd fuck her get bored and either ghost her or abuse her until she left and then they'd proceed to obsess about and stalk her for the next decade or more.
Not a foid, just have seen this play our time and time again

I lost my virginity at 24 and have been with the same girl ever since, for 5 years. She was my first everything.

>Sex havers of r9k, what do you think is the biggest problem of the incels here when it comes to getting sex. Is it their own fault or just bad luck? Did you have to try hard to get sex?
I think it is a mix of their fault and not their faults. I talk to a lot of incels online and the one connecting thread between all of them is anxiety; they are all wrecked with horrible anxiety that manifests in their own unique ways. That anxiety permeates every single decision that they make - from whether or not they ARE an incel, all the way down to if they want to attempt to ask a girl out. This isn't really their fault, though, since girls and women do lie about what they like in men, and they do indeed chase attractive men. The problem, in my opinion, ends up with nuance.

The majority of women will not end up with an attractive man. That's just basic statistics. There are not enough of them to go around. If you were to be blackpilled, your immediate thought following this would be something along, "Well they're all going to try" or "They would rather share Chad than fuck an incel". This is an extension of that anxiety. I think those sorts of thoughts end up forming a permanent feedback loop in incels' brains wherein they feel hopeless because they can't have sex, and they can't have sex because they feel too hopeless, and it is obvious to everybody around them whether they admit it or not.

I don't have any solutions and I don't have any criticism. I'm just making an observation. That being said, I love fat darkskinned black women and I love my wife, who is a fat darkskinned black woman, so I'm pretty happy with how things ended up for me. I think most incels like skinny white/East Asian/lightskinned brown women though.

>>84387490
>"Well they're all going to try" or "They would rather share Chad than fuck an incel". This is an extension of that anxiety.
Crazy mental gymnastics, you didn't refute those points and then you just say it's "anxiety" because you can't. A woman never needs to "end up" with a guy that is not more attractive than her unless she's 30+ AND with baggage, and as you've admitted, they will chase the most attractive they can get. Do you think that after a woman not locking down a 8/10 she would immediately go for a guy at her level, or worse, an incel? She'll just go for a 7/10, and if that doesn't work then 6/10 and it will most likely work. A 6/10 dude is like a guy that maybe has a normal face, is tall, maybe an above average income, is not balding yet. Why do you think this would be rare for a 5/10 or even 4/10 woman to get, this is like 5 minutes on tinder for literally any woman to find.

>>84384381
>married women
if you were actually a good catch, they would cheat with you. it's just the usual roastoid "ohhh you're great i'm sure you'll find the right girl someday" (not her or any of her friends or anything though)

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>>84387434
The timid and afraid part hits most. I am afraid of life and see it mostly as an issue, not an experience to be enjoyed.

>>84386221
very true. women are extremely simple. getting them to act right is easier than training a dog. if you are too retarded to use (the psycho-social equivalents of) treats and a shock collar you deserve what you get

I have the chance to lose my virginity with a 35 yo woman who prostitutes herself sometimes but doesn't make a living out of it (Im still paying ofc). Im 24 and desperate. Good idea or no?

>Incels what do you think your biggest problem is in regards to getting sex?
>Getting
It's not a commodity, even though it's been treated as such. Two become one flesh. :D

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>>84388721
>>84383217
Wrote this earlier. It applies to you as well imo.

>>84388779
Thank you. I will do it then. As soon as she texts me back ofc

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>>84388806
Have fun and godspeed. I hope for you that you will be one of those that will gain confidence from it and actually get better with women. Either way enjoy that pussy.

>>84382955
Most common? Incels just dont spend enough time out socializing. They overthink this shit. Sex is literally on the same level as eating cooked food or being able to take a piss into a toilet, its just something you have to learn usually by your own experience rather than having someone show you. Thats why even PUA cuckoldry doesnt work, unless you just spend a lot of time building relationships and understanding how and where people like you get sex. If people discussed this much about being able to use a toilet, it would be the same story, those with limited experience would make it sound impossible or dangerous.

>>84382955
>what do you think is the biggest problem of the incels here when it comes to getting sex.
incels live inside their own heads, blackpilling themselves and each other into non-action, and refuse to come out and actually make the effort to interact with girls or just other people in general in the real world.

>>84382955
Most of the incels on this board are just afraid to approach women and to integrate socially in general.
>never talk to women
>therefore never become comfortable talking to women
>therefore never talk to women

Brutal cycle, and I actually am empathetic... that being said, at a certain point you have to break the cycle or die in it

>>84387434
none of this is true thoeverbeit. what i do have are standards, and I'm not going to put in time and effort on a promiscuous woman.
what this means in a modern era is that I remain alone, but I would rather watch this abortion of a modern judeo-society collapse than compromise the same standards every man in every previous generation of my civilization took for granted.

>>84383781
>It's bullshit cope even if you're a winner.
Not him, I think that is unironically the genius of the entire thing, everyone is a fucking loser with nothing to gain in any of this and yet there is this perception of wins and losses, its all fake illusory bullshit

>>84384060
>I have no real solid advice. "B urself XD" is stupid advice. Stop doing things for girls (e.g. lifting, going to church, etc.) Just go have some fun. Maybe you can network a bit. At church, there was an incel who hit the event horizon and just stopped. He started going to actually learn the Word and worship God. Eventually, he did get very lucky and started talking to a girl there and eventually noticed she was interested, they went out to do stuff, and it was implied they were dating without him realizing it. Note, the girl did have a bodycount and was divorced (not a single mother though.)
You are a very funny cuntoid

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Tfw even if I will ever have sex (for free) I cannot enjoy it fully because of my weird dick and will get bored during the act. What a cruel fate. I feel like for me sex is at it's best in porn and in my imagination. Perhaps I could become a cuck.

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>>84384060
I know it would be a good idea to just go out and have some fun and be less deperate but I honestly want nothing else but to get laid even once. I view my life as "having seen enough" other than that pretty much. I have some vague wishes but nothing too concrete and I am not passionate about them anyway. This is how I feel organically and If I were to try and change that it would be in the hope of getting a girl, like that church guy example. Which is a paradox because I would be doing all of that to get laid. I feel like I have no way out, I just do not have enough interest in life. It is more of a chore than fun. Too many issues and small/big things that annoy me. I am also painfully aware that I am the problem and not women and walk around with that knowledge all the time.

>>84385344
Bro i am a 27 khhv and i have tried to get a gf since i was 12, i can't even make friends with normal people because they outright reject me, the fuck you want me to do anymore?

>>84387759
a couple of them wanted to, or at least went beyond the bounds of light flirting, but I wasn't about to cuck my friends and cause a shitload of drama just to get my dick wet

>>84387176
>retards saying "it's their own fault
Lmao. You are doing exactly what I posted about. I don't care if this is a troll or not. It's fun for you to shit post but it's a waste of my time to reply in any meaningful sense either way. I'll be enjoying the leftover pussy for you guys, or maybe even your wives.

>>84389308
>it's a waste of my time to reply in any meaningful sense either way
Because you know you're wrong so you can just make cope posts like this
>I'll be enjoying ALL the pussy, incel!
kek this comeback doesn't work on anyone blackpilled

>>84382955
They simply aren't on enough apps, haven't lost enough weight, live in bumfuck-nowhere, or a combo. Some may just look like George Costanza with meth mouth; that's a big welp on that -- better luck next life. Some just won't settle for a fatty. It's tough to get a fit one, but it's worth holding out for. Seriously though, I think it's a lack of effort for most guys. Sadly, it's competitive and you have to put yourself out there like you're getting a job.

>>84388886
>refuse to come out and actually make the effort to interact with girls or just other people in general in the real world.
Why won't girls interact with them?

One thing that people never talk about is the fact that most first world countries have had millions of young men dumped into their countries who are competing with the natives for women and resources. The dating market was already imbalanced before this for many reasons, and this only made it harder.

You have to zoom out and look at the situation as a whole, which reveals that even if incels tried their best we will always have excess males who are left out of dating and relationships because there aren't enough women to go around or are willing to settle or tone their hypergamy. Incels are not an anomaly, they are a feature of the open dating market.

>>84387749
I don't refuse those points because I don't care about arguing them, dumbass. It's an observation. Lighten up.

8/10 this, 7/10 that, 6/10 this. My 10/10 is a beautiful, plump, dark-skinned black woman with a gigantic ass and hairy armpits. I don't give a fuck about your stupid 4/10 or 5/10 ratings. I know what I like. I'm literally just telling you what I see. Retard