Is there any legitimate, non-larp ways that Westerners can fix relationships and marriage in the west? I know we say "repeal the 19th" and all that, but that's not going to happen. Is there any actual ways we can fix this or are we just destined for a population crash?
>>84431784Join or create communities that will oust or condemn women for being whores or leaving their husbands. That's how marriage managed to work forever.
We already have a list of things we know are causing it, start with those.
>>84431817We have a list of PROBLEMS, my question is do we have a list of SOLUTIONS that are practical?>>84431813That's what religion was but most women nowadays aren't religious or just see it as either a social club or a way to get a beta bux that will ignore her hoe past. I see guys online shaming women that sleep with black guys, but the thing is they're still "okay" with her having a double digit body count as long as they were "all in a relationship"
>>84431784You can fix it by not listening to the people who say shit like, know we say "repeal the 19th" and all that, but that's not going to happen." Those people don't want a relationship, they want object that cooks, cleans, and they can fuck. real relationship you have to actually like each other, and it's a 50 50 thing. You want to spend 12 hours a day on video games. You can't get mad when she spends the same amount of time not with you. There's also a thing where you will have to go to things you don't want to do.
>>84431839Socially-enforced monogamy started way before religion. Back when social cohesion was a matter of life and death, the societies full of whores died out while the societies full of obedient women (whether by self-enforcement or enforcement by men) survived to continue into the future. If leaving your husband will result in you being kicked out of the village, shunned by your family and friends, and being forced to walk 20 miles to the nearest town while under threat of being attacked/raped/eaten by animals/starving/freezing to death, and then being at the mercy of complete strangers, then most women will not do that. We simply need to join together with likeminded moral people to start establishing communities out in the countryside and raise generations of girls who fear being cast out to fend for themselves. Stop making it easy for girls to be shit and they'll stop making it hard for everyone else.
>>84431784Unironically human cloning. It will create more problems but its the only solution at this point.
>>84431888Nice trips but this is a retarded post.>You want to spend 12 hours a day on video gamesDo you think men complaining about the state of gender relations and foid behavior are all shut-in incels?
>>844318881. The girl can always watch the guy game or pick up a controller 2. If the guy is paying for the bills and providing, why can't he enjoy some time off.>>84431922Eh yes and no. The other thing that isn't talked about is most women throughout history have been war brides. They were forcefully taken from their first husbands to be the husbands of another culture and raped and basically slaves. This was MOST women, we have a distorted view because most people only learn about nobility.
>>84431784>Is there any legitimate, non-larp ways that Westerners can fix relationships and marriage in the west?Get married and have kids. No manipulation or legislation required.
>>84431982Half of marriages end in divorce and women initiate 70% of them.
>>84431972>The girl can always watch the guy game or pick up a controller 2.>why can't he enjoy some time again? This works both ways. That's the point. You want her to play video games that are great. That probably mean your going to have to watch that K-drama. You want to spend time with your boys. She gets to spend time with >If a guy is paying \Unless he's rich, and per actual state, most of us aren't. It would be stupid. People have to work 2-3 jobs to pay rent. Having a trad wife is out of date. Although the ironic thing is if we actually did leftist things it would lead to that.
>>84432028>if we actually did leftist things it would lead to thatCompletely and utterly delusional. The most reliably leftist voting bloc is young women, who will not vote themselves out of the economic and institutional power they've acquired.
>>84431972>most women throughout history have been war bridesI highly doubt that. Many, sure, but it seems like some kind of female sexual fantasy to claim that most women were stolen. Societies would have regularly collapsed under that lack of stability, and societies that could keep their women secure and well-cared for would have easily out bred and out produced any raiders. Naturally there were mass replacement events throughout history, but to say that it happened often enough that it was the norm is a bit silly. Like I said, perhaps in certain places and in certain periods of time, but not most of the time.
>>84432048I'm not talking about voting themselves out of the economic and institutional power they've acquired; I'm talking about fixing the economy, where things are affordable.The main reason people even the left say they don't want kids ie because it's expensive. When it's not expensive, people have kids. When parents can afford it. One parent stays home. I could go on.
>>84432078>we should just do a leftism and fix the economy!Yeah man I'm sure that process will start shortly. >people aren't having kids because it's too expensiveNo, this is just wrong. Real empirical studies have been done on pronatal fiscal policy in various nations, and giving people money for having kids doesn't appear to affect falling birth rates. In fact, women who win the lottery have fewer kids (while men who win the lottery usually have more).Barring recent arrivals, people in the West are far better off materially than they were 100 years ago in literally every respect, yet the birth rate has fallen to a small fraction of what it was then. You can't boil this down to material conditions.
>>84432121>Yeah man I'm sure that process will start shortly.I didn't say that. You guys put actual retards in charge of the nation because you guys hated POC and immigrants. I mean, America being conquered by the Jews has fucked up so much that it's changed global politics forever. >Real empiricalhttps://www.brookings.edu/articles/its-getting-more-expensive-to-raise-children-and-government-isnt-doing-much-to-help/https://www.lendingtree.com/debt-consolidation/raising-a-child-study/
>>84431784women got brainwashed on social media to hate men and act like girlboss hoes. if they can be brainwashed that way then they can be brainwashed in the other direction to behave like normal women again. what needs to happen is social media needs to be flooded with women calling out other women on their ridiculous behavior and unrealistic standards. women only care about what other women think and if there is a consensus social media view on something they will simply accept it
>>84431784>Is there any actual ways we can fix this or are we just destined for a population crash?You don't really care about the population collapse, you just want to control women. Sigh...
>>84432005You might find marriage scary, but the question wasn't how to make marriage pleasant or riskless. It was only to fix relationships in the west. The answer is by having them, and letting people sort it out. Eventually the ones that have families will be the only ones left to vote. On the timescale of "the west" it will basically solve itself.
>>84431784The internet made women's nature common knowledge now. Pandora's box has been opened and there's no going back.Everyone knew there was no such thing as a waifu, but now we've learned there's not even such thing as a wife.>I know we say "repeal the 19th" and all that, but that's not going to happen.That's optimistic. Women will lose their rights one of two ways, by choice or by force. Either the host country takes them away, or that host country collapses and/or gets invaded and the circumstances/invaders takes them away. Gynocracy can't sustain, it never has.
>>84432028Rich really isn't necessary as long as he has a house or at least a favorable mortgage. A wife adds very little annual spending, and tax breaks offset this completely. Especially if there are kids. It may actually be better to keep her as a single mother to max out chips, ebt, wic, etc. But it's perfectly feasible to raise a family on a single income if that is the priority whether you are taxbreakmaxxing or gibsmaxxing.
>>84431784Honestly unless men are able to be leaders of the home it's not going to work. Maybe if men could slap a woman things could return to normal.
>>84432232How are you going to get marriages when people don't even want to date? Do you just want to force marriage on people?
>>84431784Islam, sharia
Major war, complete societal collapse, or both. This was how it happened in the past countless times. Nothing truly changed until one of those two happened. And by societal collapse, I don't mean like a depression, though that could lead to war. Look at how people were in the 1920's and 30's before traditional made a major comeback. It comes in waves. Though academically flawed, the book The Fourth Turning is a good book to use as it is based on things that actually happened.
>>84432949That's not even worth it though. You have to sacrifice millions of lives and increase suffering by 100x just to get 30 years of women in the kitchen.
>>84431930This guy has the right idea as crazy as it sounds. The problem with most people is that they keep trying to rewind time, but that's like saying how do we bring back slavery. Technology has the best chance of bringing balance to the dating market through AI and companion bots.
>>84432929Funny how one of the things that people have been fighting about the most in the west is one of the few things that you think can save it.
>>84431784No, there's nothing to fix. Just let women do their thing and see where it ends up.
there wont be a population crash because the elites can just import infinity brown people. whats going to happen is whites will be reduced to a few million minority in the next 200 years and somewhere along the line western "civilization" will collapse and then all kinds of "larpy shit" will happen
>>84431784>Is there any legitimate, non-larp ways that Westerners can fix relationships and marriage in the west?Nope. We are basically doomed until law-makers reverse the divorce-rape laws at absolute bare minimum.Sadly, the genie is out of the bottle as regards feminism, and fuck apps. Giving foids rights has proved to be a total fucking disaster for societal cohesion and family building. They will usually always vote as useful idiot rubber-stampers for the leftist globalists, no matter the damage that they cause the West.She just wants the Chad cock carousel now, and she doesn't care how many lives she ruins, or fails to create, by doing it. Their looks-matches are incels now, with nothing to live for. Though some foids have woken up to what utter bullshit their make-work jobs are, and would rather just breed, but they are now forced to be wagies anyway. Seems that we're all on the march to neo-feudalism and misery, no matter what.The only difference is that foids get all the sex they want, while only Chad gets any sex on the male side. Despicable. Though one could say that a population crash is a good thing, as it seems to be the only thing that could potentially scupper the globalists plans for a browned wage slave population.Who the fuck wants to live through this misery now, with zero sex, let alone living when it gets even worse?
