Red voters: fuck society everyone man for himselfBlue voters: I care about society and want everyone to liveWhich society of voters would you prefer to live in?
>>84456663>Red voters: women>Blue voters: men
>>84456663Blues are killing themselves. Reds are guilty of nothing
>>84456673Thats false thoughIn every poll, blue wins everytime
>>84456663I SEE RETARDED LEFT AND RIGHT CODED ALLEGORIES LIKE THIS AND THEYRE SHIT ONCE YOU REALIZE PINKO FAGS PUT IN POLICIES THAT ARE CONSTANTLY LESS THAN USELESS LOLYES YOU CARE ABOUT SOCIETY SO MUCH YOU WANT MORE LOBBYIST CONTROLLED REGULATION AND 100 BILLION MORE DOLLARS TO BUILD 0 MILES OF HIGH SPEED RAIL"EVERY MAN FOR THEMSELVES" MAKES BETTER COMMUNITIES THAN "USE FORCE TO STEAL SHIT AND THEN NEVER MAKE GOOD ON PROMISES" LOL
>>84456683The inception not the outcome stupid. Reds do nothing wrong by pressing red. Blues self-impose a risk by pressing blue
>>84456691Im fine with risking myself to save people. Why wouldnt I?
>>84456663i vote red because hypothetical "thought experiments" are gay
>>84456672Im a blue voter and Im a man, by the way
>>84456694That's fine, you're good to do so. Point is reds are not bad or in the wrong
>>84456663>Red voters: chads>Blue voters: beta buxxer losers
>>84456706Depends on why you pick redCowardice, or selfishness.
>>84456694This scares the autistic narcissistic sociopath. Which is why there needs to be a public empathy level test and those found lacking should be sterilized to cull selfish psychopathic genes from the species.
>>84456711Neither, and you're adding a layer of complexity. It is simply>Red - Morally neutral choice>Blue - Morally good choiceThere is no morally bad choice in this scenario
>>84456711>>84456694>>84456683Yep it was obvious where you were going with this and just wanted to waste time beating around the bush.
>>84456694if everyone just presses red, literally no one will die.
>>84456741I agreeBut some people are too stupid toSo we should press blue to save everybody. Everyone must live
it's all well and good as a hypothetical, but if someone literally held a gun to your head and said "press red and I let you go, press blue and maybe I don't", literally no one would press blue. This is a false moral conundrum.You're voting blue because you know you're safe by default, and so virtue signalling takes precedence.
why does this topic induce such emotional turmoil in you
>>84456752The fact you needed to leave out the crucial information for your analogy to work is very telling. You instinctively know your way of thinking is wrong but you are desperately trying to justify it. Interesting.
>>84456747>we should save retardsThis is an opportunity to cull the herd, but they do it to themselves!
>>84456663>>84456683>>84456711>>84456694>>84456721The problem is that pressing red is the logical choice, as you're imposing no risk on yourself - as opposed to a high risk of dying by pressing blue. Since humans are designed to use logical reasoning, every single person should theoretically press the red button as they know it provides no risk.However, you have low iq people, naive good samaritans, and virtue signallers who throw off the logical equillibrium, who will press blue. When at least one person presses blue, that creates a vacuum for more people to press blue. Anyone who presses blue is essentially dooming themselves and holding everyone else's conscience hostage. Also, twitter polls are not at all indicative of how people would respond in real life. Many of the people saying they would press blue are performative cowards who would go back on their beliefs in an instant if this was a real scenario.Red is the rational choice.
why would you not pick red? there is literally no downside. no, seriously, i don't get it. if you press red you survive 100%. if you press blue you have a chance to die... wut. why would anyone press blue. suicidals i guess.
>>84456663>fuck society everyone man for himselfActually that's how I think and it's why I push the blue button. If huge amounts of random people died, it would have terrible economic effects that would lower my quality of life.
>>84456794>Anyone who presses blue is essentially dooming themselves and holding everyone else's conscience hostage.This. They're inflicting a detriment upon others by their own action
>>84456672reddit was saying that red is conservatives and blue is people with empathy
>>84456825??? what does empathy have to do with suicide???
>>84456815Would it though? it's all libtards and women choosing blue. If they all died we'd probably see a huge boom period
>>84456825>>84456892Every single religion in the world would claim you have a moral responsibility to hit blue so no, if you're a cuckservative you have to pretend you at least like religious people.
>>84456769>dude, I might kill you, but I might kill other people, idkLiterally everyone would just opt to live.
>>84456920definitely not every religion in the world...
>>84456920Most religions recognize the priority of self preservation over irrational/meaningless sacrifice. Worthless post from a fat liberal
>>84456948No. Every religion says you have to not commit murder, which pushing red does. In addition, any well-developed prefrontal cortex also picks blue. Red is the choice for sinners and antisocial personality disorder cases with thin grey matter. Do you think Jesus, the Buddha, Krishna, Amaterasu, whatever would push red?
>>84456663>Press to be at the mercy of the collective or ensure survivalIf you're surrounded by smart people red does make logical more sense unless you're certain that the collective will vote for your best interests. Especially if red doesn't lead to any consequences. The threshold also makes sense. When would you stop pressing blue, at 60, 70 maybe 80%? Regardless which country you're from?
A new choice has been offered.
>>84456980>Do you think Jesus, the Buddha, Krishna, Amaterasu, whatever would push red?Yes. Most religious figures still had common sense. They would believe it's possible for everyone to choose red
>>84456980Pressing a button to not be killed is in no way, shape, or form committing a murder.
>>84456993literally who wouldn't press it?
>>84456663Red because blue embodies the christcuck mentality
>>84456690>"EVERY MAN FOR THEMSELVES" MAKES BETTER COMMUNITIES THAN "USE FORCE TO STEAL SHIT AND THEN NEVER MAKE GOOD ON PROMISES" LOLIt says more about you than about society that you can only imagine prosocial acts happening under a coercive environment likely by an external force like the state or a group with power
>>84457020I could do with a good shit right about now
>>84456663>Everyone in the world has to voteMeans that it is practically speaking impossible for your vote to be the tie breakerWhich means that it is extremely likely the outcome of the vote was decided before you pressed the buttonSo pressing the red button has no real moral cost
>>84456794many people will realize how many people will press blue for x reasons though, and therefore press blue in solidarity/to save them. many people will also realize that, and also press blue, already bringing it closer to 50%, at which point youre more meaningfully choosing between deaths and no deaths. there are also other reasons someone might press blue. they may for example think that only a species capable of cohering enough to majority-select the no-death option are likely to pass larger coordination tests in the future like extinction events or the great filter. so it becomes a vote about what type of world you wish to endorseits really trite reading this stuff about how all blue voters necessarily are virtue signalers and so on>dooming themselves and holding everyone else's conscience hostage. kind of a revealing sentence
>>84456663>Do you guarantee your own survival by pressing red OR do you risk your own life to potentially save the lives of people who were too stupid to realize that pressing the red button would guarantee their survival?This isn't a morality test, it's an IQ test. And choosing blue means you failed.
If you voted red, and the blue vote missed the threshold by two votes, would you really be any more morally accountable than if you voted red and just one person voted blue and died?Because in either case you have no control over the other voters and thus no control over the outcome
>>84457889Intentions matter more than results here
>>84457889we have control of this dick going into that ass.
>>84456663Anyone else notice how whatever problems happen while democrats are in office isn't their fault?Biden economy sucks? It was Trump's fault Snowden leaks reveal a massive surveillance state under Obama? It was George Bush's fault.It's a lot easier to play politics when you can blame anything bad that happens entirely on political opponents.
>>84457893But my intention doesn't matter for the wellbeing of all these other people, which seems like the most important question here
>MY AMERICAN POLITICS CODED TROLLEY PROBLEM 2.0
>>84456663>Red voters: fuck society everyone man for himselfsociety?it explicitly says>everyone in the worldwhy would i risky my life for some indians or nigeros?
>>84457893Is that true though?The Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were Totalitarian Authoritarian states, with forced work camps.Does the Nazi intention to kill Slavs make them worse than the Soviet Union who killed millions of Slavs, but said their intention was to make a Worker's Paradise for Slavs?
>>84456663This is just a logic question pretending to be about empathy, it just shows how much people care about voting, color theory and shoving in politics whenever they can.
>>84456663This is just a stupid version of prisoner's dilemma People are only pressing the red button because they know it's just an online poll with no real stakes so they're more willing to do something foolish. That or there's just a disproportionate amount of malignant people in this particular sample size. Even still you can see blue wins. Because the only disincentive to pressing blue is the assumption that a majority of people really just want to kill for no reason. Because that's the only incentive to pressing red. That you get to potentially kill a bunch of people. While some people will obviously want that I would go so far as to it's not actually possible that a majority of humans would willingly kill half of their own population. That goes against the biological programming of all living beings to survive. The defining feature of living organisms is basically their inability to control their own growth. Now that doesn't mean it wouldn't necessarily be wise and beneficial to erase half the population. It probably would actually. But regardless it goes against instinct to do it so it won't happen. So basically while there is no risk to pressing red there is also not actually any real risk in pressing blue either. This is nothing more than a flawed test. Game theory has already been completely figured out more or less with real legitimate experiments.
>>844567940 EQ fags trying to justify their sociopathic tendencies will never not be funny. Specially since they can't understand anything that doesn't follow their own logic while claiming to be these geniuses. Remember that people like this are usually the ones that seek power and horde resources and why society always ends up the way it is.
>>84457386>compress the entire thing into a simple iq test based on entry level game theory and declare yourself the winnerwho is this guy? just wins immediately
>>84456683>Polls on plebbit and twatterYou deserve to live in a society of retarded blues, nigger
Liberals: Thanos had the right idea we just can't afford to sustain entire planet's populations killing half of them was the right idea.Also liberals: Let's fill our country with a billion low IQ brown people from places where rape is a hobby and throwing cow shit is a professional sport and demand they all get free housing, free medical care, and first pick of all our jobs because we love people so much we just have to save everyone ignore our third political assassination attempt we're the good guys we just want everyone to live.
>>84458110Blue means you still have faith in democracy and believe that the masses are going to save you.
>>84458217>poomer politics brained retard who will bang on about "the epstein class" but still thinks democracy is real
>>84456663>>84456672It's simpler than that>No loved ones in your life: Red>Loved ones that are also allowed to push the button: BlueIf you pick red, you signaled either you had no one else around you that you cared about. Making you a great subject for MK Ultra or other mind control programs, because the more isolated you are, the easier it is to influence you.
This test is awesome since red is objectively correct and this was most likely made by a republican to prove liberals are insane and they still fell for it kek
>>84457893>thinks intent is magicare you a woman or perhaps gay?
>>84458217This is a really simplistic and naive view of democracy. I think even a little kid could understand that in a democratic system everybody will still just pursue their own interests not suddenly become concerned with "saving" others for no reason.
Red. Fuck blues.
>>84456690Deregulation encourages swindling and corner-cutting. Each rule in the EPA was written in death and suffering
>>84458300They will want to save their wife, children, close friends, people in their life. That's all this test is showing. If you are truly alone the urge to select red seems the smartest choice but in irony you just told the person running the test you are fully alone, that you know no one that would consider selecting the blue button. The test was never about what was right or wrong, the test was to get a feel how many of you are 100% isolated and alone.
>>84458328Why are the people in my life choosing the suicide option?
>>84458328I don't really understand the logic here.Even if you are alone there is no new downside to pressing the blue button nor is there a new upside to pressing the red button.I don't see how being alone changes anything.The only thing that really matters here is if you want to die you should press blue because that's the only way that has a chance of happening and if you want to kill you press red for the same reason.But in reality the majority of people will not fall into either of these camps. By biological necessity the world can't be full of suicidal people and wanton murderers and this is clearly reflected in reality.
>>84456663>you can all jump into a wood chipper or not>if more than 50% of people do the wood chipper jams and everybody lives>do you jump?
>>84458339what would happen if you hadn't eaten breakfast this morning?
>>84458391>I jump into the woodchipper anyway because this is just a online hypothetical and I want to virtue signal my political agenda.That's what this whole discussion is about.
>>84458417What would happen? I don't think that's the meme
>>84458391yes yes you understand the rules of the game and stop there. bravo>>84458426yes that's all. done
>>84458460>red: unconditionally live, others might die>blue: die or not, this depends on othersYes. The correct choice by the individualistic metric is red. The correct choice by the collectivist metric is red as well. Everyone should just press red. You don't know what people voted, so assume they act rational and pick red. If anyone else breaks this invisible contract, it's their choice not yours.
>>84458391what if some poor retardede niggerbaby jumps into the woodchipper though?WE HAVE TO SAVE IT
>>84458366>Even if you are alone there is no new downside to pressing the blue button nor is there a new upside to pressing the red button.But there is a new downside to pressing the red button and there is a new upside to pressing the blue button.>I don't see how being alone changes anythingBecause it shows how your mind works. When you are alone you think only of yourself. When you have close friends you start to think of them, when you have a lover you start thinking of them, when you have a child, you start thinking about them. The scope of your world gets bigger and bigger and ideas that were black and white get more and more grey. When you are alone the red button makes sense, you are the only one who can suffer. But what about those friends that had your back all those years? That lover that embraced you and said they "loved you" into your ear when having sex? Those children you had that you loved and you watch as those small hands you held grew and grew until one day they went on to start a family of their own? You don't know anyone's choice in the button push but your own. Do you risk losing everything you love and loves you on the off chance they pick blue? Would you want to be in that world? Everything that loved you dead? That's the risk you take if you let the red button win, and you likely not want to even live in that world if you thought your loved ones picked blue. >The only thing that really matters here is if you want to die you should press blue because that's the only way that has a chance of happening and if you want to kill you press red for the same reason.A person devoid of social networks would think like that. A MK Ultra subject, one who could be controlled because his world both begins and ends with him, no outside influence is going to break the spell that could be put on him.
>>84458486Red is the brown choice. Reds think they're high iq for doing something immediately beneficial without considering long term ramifications. Thinking red is high IQ is like thinking stealing entire baskets of candy on Halloween is high IQ. You only benefit now, those people will never leave out candy again and Halloween is now dead.Blue is the white man. Bluechads understand empathy is just as important to society as intelligence. If Blue doesn't win then the world risks killing a lot of empathetic people, and once that happens the entire planet will become the third world.
>>84456752It's because you are stupid and how you're translating what you read. That's how you interpret it and others do not put the focus on what you do.
>>84458561>If Blue doesn't win then the world risks killing a lot of """empathetic""" peopleoh no anyways
>>84456663Flawed study they should have done it twice but slightly different, they should have made a 2nd one so if you pressed the red button and failed you don't survive. It would likely show that most people who pretend to be good are simply cowards who don't wish to be caught in their desires.
>>84456794>Since humans are designed to use logical reasoningLol why do so many stupid people say this? Humans aren't logical at all. If you were you literally would not be on this site or reading this. let alone posting here.
>>84458617Imagine the world is just made up solely of Donald Trump's Who would they scam
>>84456805>why do white people climb mountains, there's nothing up there anyway
>>84458561>Reds think they're high iq for doing something immediately beneficial without considering long term ramifications.The long term ramifications are that every retarded "we have to kill our own civilization so brown people will be better off" voter retard dies and the remaining White people now have nothing holding them back.
>>84458561>If Blue doesn't win then the world risks killing a lot of empathetic peopleYou stupid fucking idiot, if everyone picks red no one dies because if there are no people who picked blue, there can be no deaths of people who picked blue. Combined with its selfish appeal of "you're guaranteed not to die if you pick red regardless of result" every single person, every belief, every philosophy, all have the a clear reason to pick red over blue, because if they pick red, they don't die, and if everyone picks red, no one dies. The only reason anyone would pick blue would be that they're too stupid to see that red is the clearly superior choice.
>>84458665Red people just have no empathy it's basically announcing Look everyone I'm spiritually a boomer fuck you I got mine
>>84458636>mah trumpfyou have to go backalso the chance of your vote being the tipping point is 0% anywaysso not like it matters
xilennials:> life is pointless, everyone is going to die> you HAVE to press blue THOUGH
>>84456982>Especially if red doesn't lead to any consequences.What
>>84458625>youre only logical if you have sex damn maybe anons here are stupid, and you prove it.
Why do people make up entire stories around each button instead of discussing the situation itself
>>84458669>if you don't join my death pact that means you have no empathy
>>84458643>why do whites accept niggers into their countrywhites are dumb retards, holy shit
>>84458646>we have to kill our own civilization so brown people will be better offyou attribute this reason to every bluepresser because thats the only reason you can see for pressing blue. you cannot model other povs. you see this exact same thing in so many domains. its so trite
>>84456721Red isn't a morally neutral choice because you know everyone who pressed blue will die if Red wins.
>>84458700>>>we have to kill our own civilization so brown people will be better offactually: killing blue button pressers would SAVE our civilization and possbily lead to TND in the long run
>>84458703They choose to risk their own life. You have no moral obligation to help them.
>>84458721youre saying this as if they just throw themselves off a cliff for no reasonbecause you only engage with first-order thinking
>>84458721Blue always wins on these sorts of polls anyway, they never risk anything, use this information as a way to self-reflect on your own inadequacies.In an ideal world we'd all press blue knowing everyone else would as well, but I'm fine with worlds where Blue at least wins every time even if it's close.
>>84458744>Blue always wins on these sorts of polls anywayyeson xitterafter it has become a trend
>>84458486Do you really in your heart of hearts believe most blacks are picking blue?
>>84458758I know Blue would win in the real world as well, because despite you thinking you're choosing the logical answer, the average person who somehow has more reasoning skills than you do can understand that others would want to save everyone and make the right choice.
>>84458735They have reasons they are all just retarded reasons. >>84458744Appeal to popularity. Everyone choosing wrong doesn't make it correct.
>>84458700People with suicidal altruism are the reason our civilizations are being overrun. Because they can vote and they vote for "we have to save the retarded brown people from themselves." Those people would press blue every time.
>>84458703Maybe they wanted to die, and that's why they pressed blue. It would be the only logical reason to do so, as if everyone picked red then no one would die. They are creating the risk of death where there was none and then pushing the responsibility for it onto people who made the obvious logical choice.
>>84458694Stop green texting and just acknowledge you don't have empathy for anyone Conservatives don't vote to make others lives hell they don't even vote to make their own lives betterYou simply vote for other people's lives to get worse so yours is better by default Picture related is the mindset of red pressers
>>84458665>red is good, everyone just has to pick redWell then blue is good, everyone just has to pick blue.
>>84456663I thought these choices were neutral until I realized if everyone pressed red no one would die. By pressing blue you're introducing the possibility of death where it didn't exist before. Knowing this you only press blue because you think other people press blue not knowing this; if you don't realize this you choose blue because it's superficially the "moral" choice. The dumby chooses red because it's selfish and the smarty chooses red because it's the actual moral choice. Wanting other people to join your suicide pact because you joined or because other people dumb enough to press blue joined is not moral. My first impressions were that blue choice=high trust society but now I realize actually that blue choice=suicide cult society, which actually reflects Western society today. To be fair, if society were made up of reds who were low IQ then it would be low trust probably.
>>84458646>blues are just my strawman I don't likeBrownfaggot mind.
>>84458795This is how I know bluetards are stupidIf I hated republicans I wouldn't equate their vote to something which has zero negative effect kek
>>84458822>strawmanActually it's the voting majority in the west. These people are real and they are destroying our civilization.They vote for mass migration and then wonder why they're poor.
>>84458776>>I know Blue would win in the real world as well>>even dough it barely hit 50% on the inital xitter poll >>84458795>you don't have empathy for anyone oh i have plenty of empathyif it were just my local community i would press bluebut risking my life for millions of africans, indians and muslims?no thanks
today I found out r9k does love my BBC and would keep me alive your racism was nothing but a lie
>>84458788>Appeal to popularity.God, you're a faggot.Everyone choosing wrong, knowing that others would choose wrong, makes it right.
>>84458795You are missing the point entirely. Blue pressers deliberately create a risk for themselves where there otherwise was none, and then push the moral culpability for their own choice onto others. If everyone pressed red then no one would die either, but even if they didn't, pressing red means no one who didn't consciously choose to impose a risk on themselves (that they created out of thin air) dies.
>>84458788>They have reasons they are all just retarded reasons.XD>>84458794>Maybe they wanted to die, and that's why they pressed blueprobably !!
>>84458849blablabla i understand basic game theory comment #19994> pressing red means no one who didn't consciously choose to impose a risk on themselveslol
>>84458744Well it's easier for blue to win on an online poll where there is no risk to your life and the only benefit is social clout (which picking blue gives to virtue signal)Also this shows the importance of phrasing. If it was just one button and if you press it you die unless the majority of people press the button nobody would press it. So the exact same thing with a different tone gives a way different result as expected from neurotypicals
>>84458847>Everyone choosing wrong, knowing that others would choose wrong, makes it right.LMAO
>>84458863You're just having a meltie now. I accept your concession.
>>84458877Social clout on an anonymous poll?The only thing known are the results, not what you voted for unless you explicitly say it.
>>84458881You can laugh, but it's right.You'd be able to understand why Blue is the right choice if you were less of a pseudo-intellectual.
>>84456663>Everyone is offered the opportunity to put on a shock collar that delivers a lethal voltage>If more than 50% of people put on the collars, nothing happens>If fewer than 50% put on the collars, the collars activate and everyone who put one on diesThis is a question of intelligence, not ethics.
>>84456663This only works if there's some sort of caveat or trade-off to pushing the red button. The way the question is worded now, red is the obvious choice.
>>84456663Twitter is filled with right-wingers so should it be a surprised that there are so many red button pressers?
>>84456663the blue button is so liberal-coded, it's not even funny.
>>84458898I understand why you think that. You think we have an obligation to save the stupid people from themselves. Personally I'd leave them to it
>>84458889Yeah but people get a little feel good boost when they bite that they'd join the suicide pact in solidarity with all the other dumbies who joined.
>>84458916When they vote*
>>84458823I dislike the>I hate Republitards too!!DefenseEqually as annoying as the white supremacist who goes>Me no white me Latinx Everytime
Honestly I think anyone stupid enough to press the blue button has it coming.
>>84458925I didn't say I hate republicans I said if I did hate republicans I wouldn't equate them to the "nothing bad happens if you vote this" option
>>84458905I honestly thought I had read it wrong at first. It's just a test to distinguish emotional thinkers from logical ones, or maybe people who think individuals should have agency over their lives from people who think they shouldn't.>>84458899This is a much better way of phrasing it that really points out how stupid it is.
>>84458911>You think we have an obligation to save the stupid people from themselvesits actually you who thinks we think that. these threads are fascinating and fucking frustratingi wonder how many read this and dont even bother. maybe im the sucker
>>84458941>distinguish emotional thinkers from logical ones
>>84458943If you aren't choosing blue to save the stupid people who chose wrong why the fuck would you choose blue? Now I'm baffled lmao go ahead
>>84456948>Most religions recognize the priority of self preservation over irrational/meaningless sacrifice.>John 15:13>Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.Shitty religions maybe
>>84458946Address >>84458899 you disingenuous twitter reject. Why should anyone put on the shock collar?
>>84458910Liberalism works in white ethnostates, meximutt republicans don't get that though.
>>84458948There is another reason and it's because you don't want to live in a world of red pressers. Most of them will stab you in the back the first chance they get if they have a 1% chance of benefiting from it, and they will justify it as the only logical thing to do, solely because it benefits them at the expense of others.>you could have just watched your back and nothing would have happened, but you didn't, since you LET me stab you, you're dumb and therefore it's okay to kill you
>>84458968>Liberalism works in white ethnostatesHow does that work? Liberals don't want ethnostates
>>84456663 (OP)>>84456794here are two hypothetical scenarios:>1. everyone is told to press red. 75% of people press red, but 25% of people didn't get the memo and pressed blue. 2 billion people die.>2. everyone is told to press blue. 75% of people press blue, but 25% of people didn't get the memo and pressed red. everyone survives.blue unequivocally is the superior option. red rewards selfishness and shortsightedness; blue rewards cooperation and long-term reward.
>>84458983You just clearly misread the question. Red has no negative effect. It's not equivalent to stabbing someone. Blue is equivalent to stabbing yourself and trying to guilt someone into saving you.
>>84458956i presented some reasons here>>84457228a reason for me to press blue is to not be left with majority people like you who are unable to think in hypotheticals. it's not iq thing but a capability
>>84458983Still waiting for you to address >>84458899. Would you put on the shock collar? It's the same problem, just rephrased to be more obvious about who's deliberately assuming risk where there was none. Blue pressers/collar wearers create risk just so they can shit test society and maybe get a feeling of moral superiority; there's no logical reason to put the shock collar on.
Every single red supporter sounds like a serial killer in waiting.
>>84459016>feeling of moral superiorityim sure that would be your reason for doing it but not necessarily everyone else
>>84459008>a reason for me to press blue is to not be left with majority people like you who are unable to think in hypotheticals.Bluetards are the ones who can't think in hypotheticals since red is objectively correct
just press red, if everybody does, everybody is saved
>>84459025Enlighten us then, because I'm sure that's why 99% of people on a twitter poll would put on the collar/press blue. The other reason would be because you don't believe people should have the agency to make deliberately dangerous choices and suffer the consequences for them. Again, I don't particularly like the way the problem is phrased and think the collar version is better and more obvious about who is assuming the risk.
>>84458993even in your scenario red is better since the blue pressers can't follow instructions
>>84459070if you ever failed to follow a single instruction in your life, you deserve to die. sorry not sorry, i didn't make the rules
>>84458968I meant that it's liberal-coded because liberals will risk their own lives to save retarded people.
>>84459000Red has the negative effect of killing people. This is exactly what I mean, I do not want to live in a world that ranges solely of>psychos that want people to die>people like you that don't realize killing others is bad>people who are just straight cowards (the nicest of the worst, essentially)With practically no altruistic people left. It is just gonna make you in for a bad time. It will just result in the worst possible low trust world exclusively made up of people explicitly willing to make justifications to harm others if not harming them poses any risk to themselves. pretty much infernal tokyo in smtiv but even worse
>>84459070>people who cannot follow programming deserve to die
>>84459102>Red has the negative effect of killing people.No it doesn't. It has the effect of not saving the people who decided to kill themselves. That's not my responsibility and wouldn't have happened if they choose my side. You're just wrong.
>>84459103>you must vote trump or else kek conservatives are weird blue pressers
>>84459102Pressing blue is suicidal. There's no two ways about this. Red is the obvious logical choice
>>84459025Nta but if your morality doesn't start from the premise of self-interest it is a form of self-harm to some degree. At best it's people pleasing, at worst it's suicidal. Moreover, if you truly wished the best for someone else you would wish for their own best interest to whatever degree possible, no? To wish them to join your suicide pact is a form of ill will, because that is not in their best interest. What is "good" in the first place other than what is in your best interest? Because whatever you desire there's an implicit assumption that it will lead to your well being. This even applies even if someone is literally cutting themselves; there's a desire to cut themselves, and this desire seeks relief from itself. To whatever degree the person cutting themselves thinks "this leads to my well being". Likewise, the person who does altruistic acts does so because it leads to their well being, because being stingy reflects either some attachment or ill will which brings greater suffering to the individual. Essentially, virtue is just what leads to your well being, we develop good habits because these affect the mind and thus our happiness. Ok then, so that means wanting people to join your suicide pact because you did and other people did for whatever reason is immoral. This kind of morality is typical of cults and it really explains the kind of mental illness coming from over socialized bugs in the west.
>>84459103If you choose blue after everyone collectively decided to vote red then yes you deserve to die.
why tf do bluepushers shill their take so hard on every god damn site? all of this is a psy-op and they are gonna have another coof+vax aint they?
>>84459102>>84459102Blue/shock collar has the negative effect of risk of death. I don't want to live in a world of psychos and BPDemons that want to threaten suicide to make some grand moral statement when they could just NOT. People like you that don't recognize threatening suicide is bad. It will just result in the worst possible world of constant shit tests from psychopaths to make sure everyone else is a "good" "empathetic" person that they can blame the consequences of their own choices on.
>>84456663Red is better for society. Instant IQ boost.
>>84459146Huh? Red pickers are most certainly jeets and niggers.
>>84458555>this post is ignored and the thread is being forced as a "us vs them"
>>84459091>all instructions are equally important to followAutustic take.
>>84459153this. us whites want to save all jeets and BBC. if not, how would our women be satisfied?
>>84459113Jumping on a grenade to save everyone else is suicidal too. Well, of course you'll say that any kind of self sacrifice for other is illogical, because your basic assumption is that literally no one and nothing matters except your own life, so i mean, this conversation is never going to go anywhere. You are a minority that lacks the theory of mind to imagine anything other than your shallow and narrow selfish and snake like perspective, though everyone else can understand yours plain and clear, and that's why blue wins the poll every time and red loses everytime.
>>84459153>only white people will risk their lives to save people who don't deserve savingYeah, that's the problem.
>>84458555All my friends are smart enough to pass a basic logic puzzle.
>>84459178Pressing blue isn't jumping on a grenadePressing blue is pulling the pin, setting it down, and then asking someone else to jump on it and save you
>>84459178This would be more akin to dropping the grenade yourself and then jumping on it. The risk is wholly created by blue pressers/collar wearers and wouldn't exist otherwise. >hey look a trolley!>I've heard they won't stop if just one person lays on the tracks>lets all lay on the tracks together to see if they'll stop
>blues sacrifice themselves for reds>reds never sacrifice themselves for blues>blues gradually become a minority while reds dominate>reds exploit the selflessness of the blues that are left>reds eat away at each other due to cultivated selfishness>reds eventually go extinct as wellinterpret that however you want
>>84459201>selfishness badWe won't miss you.
>>84459178The difference is in the scenario where someone is jumping on a grenade it's assumed the people you are saving are innocent, that they didn't join a suicide pact nor are expecting you to join. The equivalent scenario using the grenade analogy would be more like 1. you have the choice of unpinning a grenade or not unpinning a grenade2. you cannot remove this grenade from your hands3. if you unpin it, you need a majority of people unpinning the grenade in order for the grenades not to explode4. let's just assume too we're all far enough to not be caught in each other's explosions2.
>>84459209i said no such thing. selfishness when in a balance with selflessness make both good. pure selfishness erodes others around you, pure selflessness erodes yourself. obviously extremes are bad, if only you didn't have the black and white thinking of a low functioning autist, you'd know that.
>>84459201>Reds choose the safe option>Nobody needs to sacrifice themselves>???>Profit
I give you two revolversone has zero bulletsone has a bullet in a random chamberi force you to choose a gun to point at your head and pull the trigger>wahhh you cant choose the empty gun you have to be a subhuman retard and put yourself in danger!!
>>84456663Everyone that is choosing the red button is why this world is so fucked up. Red voters have a rot within them so deep in the gene that they don't understand that blue voters are probably outside right now keeping civilization running for them. I wouldn't mind pressing blue and dying because of it because now all you're going to experience and learn is that there are people even more selfish and fucked up as you are and be subject to the most depraved of humanity. Good job.
>>84459194>This would be more akin to dropping the grenade yourself and then jumping on it.You literally can't comprehend that other people exist in the world huh? This explains a lot when there are niggers who can't comprehend that their actions don't exist in a vacuum and affect others. IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU ALONE.If there is even ONE blind people or one person whose finger slips or a child who didn't understand, they will be an obviously not suicidal person who died a needless death, that could be avoided if you pushed the blue button. Everyone understands that in reality there will be people who make mistakes or some such and accidentally push the blue button, thus they push the blue button and understand that there will be other who push the blue button because they know that as well. I'm not even sure about this, because it's really just so stupid an understanding of reality that i can't fathom it, but they seem to think that literally everyone on earth is a perfect and rational actor, that, more importantly thinks EVERYONE ELSE on earth is a perfect and rational actor. And that the only people that will push the blue are suicidals. Which just isn't true.And that's not even getting into the fact that we as a whole try to prevent people from committing suicide anyway, so "letting suicidal people kill themselves" still wouldn't fly as a reason. Even if you did think that suicidal people should just die, you're going to be killing non suicidal people who simply want to save them, so it's still bad in that case. Like I said this probably isn't going to get through to you no matter what, there i no point because you've already made up in your head that you don't give a fuck about other peoples' lives and then come up with justifications after the fact for why everyone who pressed it for any reason should die.
>>84459260They're think they're at the top of the food chain, and don't realize they're only alive and not living a life of slavery because the blues at the top of the food chain are holding back the reds at the top of the food chain from absolute devouring them.
>>84459260Being a blue voter just means accepting your the frog and red voters are the scorpion
>>84459201Its the frog and the scorpion fable
>>84456663im pretty sure even like 1% of people dying for any reason would be an absolute global catastropheeveryones fucked in that case, its kind of a stupid hypothetical
>>84459260>I wouldn't mind pressing blue and dyingOh gee I really want to be on this guys side
>conservatards desperately doing the least agile of mental gymnastics to NOT help another human being at all costsmany such cases
>>84456663I'd hit blue because it'd be extremely funny if it won. Imagine the conspiracy theories.
>>84459261If we're talking about blind people or holding babies up to the buttons and having them randomly fail at them until they press one then you have a point; I almost added that as a caveat in my last post. Given that the original question was phrased like a game theory problem my assumption was that it was only going to apply to people who could be reasonably expected to understand it and act based on that. If we're subjecting babies to this or something then it obviously makes sense to press blue, but the original problem should state that, otherwise people are going to make assumptions; given it's a pseudo trolley problem designed to spark an ethical debate, it's a fair assumption that it would only apply to beings capable of making ethical distinctions and acting on them. Yet another reason I like the shock collar better, the danger is more obviously communicated.
>>84459288Didn't liberals celebrate charlie kirks death?
>>84459284if the frog randomly drowned itself for no reason
>>84459314It's okay when they do it because they're the good guys.
>>84459314communists are not liberals.
>>84459321The scorpion does not care what's good for the both of them the scorpion only cares about what it wants.
>>84459337the scorpion kills the frog in the fable. in the red blue scenario blues are randomly pressing the kill myself button
>>84459314Yes>>84459332A communist is someone who supports mass immigration and hates White people. A liberal is someone who supports mass immigration and hates White people. Same thing.
>>84459261I'd also like to add that making the whole point of the question be >well what if we hold a baby up to the button and it hits the blue onefeels extremely disingenuous. At that point it's changing what the problem is about; it's not the ethical argument anymore because you've introduced non actors into the equation that can't be responsible for their own decisions. I really should have caveated that earlier, but didn't think that would be the crux of your argument. I guess that's what I get for expecting a lefty not to be disingenuous for 10 seconds.
>>84459312I didn't even mention babies, because that is an extreme a scenario, but like i said, even a mistake or just a small slip in understanding, there were plenty of people in the threads that said they misread. You throw percentages into anything and a lot of the population is going to mentally shut down. Even the people making the "rational choice" don't seem to fully understand that the blue button has a chance of saving everyone, they literally think it will just kill you, so there's clearly room for gaps in understanding, it just depends on that manifest itself.
>>84459314Yes and they covered up pakis raping white girls for > half a century in England, among other things. It's that famous empathy we keep hearing about.
>>84459371Jimmy Sausage maker Saville
>>84459131i cant speak for others but im uniquely aggravated at seeing sealed-off red povs. its like a colorblind person insisting to me that color doesnt exist. its the lack of access to colors some redpressers have while simultaneously being maximally sure that they have full access. i know that what is written makes sense from everyones povs and it couldnt really be different but its just uniquely offensive as well so its sticky
>>84459178>Jumping on a grenadeActually a good analogy, but not for the reason you intended. Jumping on a grenade doesn't save anyone. Your body won't absorb the explosion, so anyone nearby will still die. The smart thing to do if there's a live grenade nearby is run away, take cover, and not try to save anyone dumb enough to throw themselves on it. Same here. It's a senseless sacrifice that doesn't save anyone except in the incredibly unlikely scenario that you're the deciding vote, which you have no way of knowing anyway.
>>84459337Sounds like the blue people. Red is good for everyone but they couldn't help but to hold everyone over a barrel
>>84459407Pyschopath/Sociopathic behavior on your part in your mind Empathy = weakness
>Would you rather definitely survive or have whether or not you survive be determined based on the decisions of random strangers?Is this even a question?
>>84456663If I pressed the blue button, and I lost, wouldn't all my sins be absolved then and there? Wouldn't I get a direct ticket to heaven if it was real?
>>84459406there's literal examples of people who jumped on a grenade and saved others, i know im probably arguing with children on here who probably weren't born yet, but do you really not remember the story from back in early 10s?that aside, your understanding of physics is pretty fucking bad if you thank a human body can't absorb shock. Your understanding of reality is just as poor if you think everyone can run away from a grenade everytime in every case. Let me guess you're one of the idiotic red pressers that think a feasible solution is for 100% of people to press red huh?
>>84459446You chose the safety of everyone over your own individual safetyIf god existed and he actually was morally good then yes
>>84459429No not really. I have empathy so I want everyone to choose red. Blue people don't give a fuck and are happy to guilt people into saving them from their own problems
UNLESS YOU'RE THE DECIDING VOTE, YOU'RE NOT SAVING ANYBODY BY PRESSING BLUE.YOU'RE EITHER DOING NOTHING OR KILLING YOURSELF.HOW IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
>press red>panic that someone you know and like pressed blue.>more than half of all people are retarded so blue gets more presses>call people who pressed blue retarded to their facesSimple as
reds are literally just the joker from the dark knight lmao>both blue boats have the trigger to explode the other boat, if neither boat uses their triggers, both boats explode muahahaha>NOOOOOOO YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO EXPLODE THE OTHER BOAT WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT THE OTHER BOAT YOU'RE BOTH GONNA EXPLODE ANYWAY>*both blue boats survive and red joker goes to prison for 25 to life*
>>84459470Damn good callback.
>>84459356You mentioned children, babies are just the obvious end of that line of thought. Obviously if we're including ethical non agents then one would want to press blue just so that harm doesn't come to them. If everyone was old enough to understand the question and capable of discerning between a red and blue button and pressing the appropriate one, on the other hand, then there's no reason not to press red, the only risk is both created and assumed by those pressing blue where it didn't exist before. It's basically two different questions depending on that, and the original problem doesn't specify, presumably so people can get a cheap gotcha. That's just disingenuous.
>>84458949But if you press blue you're not laying down your life for anyone. Either blue wins and you don't die, or red wins and everyone dies anyway. There is no way in this scenario that you're sacrificing yourself for the greater good by pressing blue.
If blue wins, pressing blue isn't a sacrifice. If red wins, pressing blue is a pointless sacrifice.
>>84459429Actually it's psychopathic/sociopathic to want people to join your death gamble. It's similar to how bpdemons threaten to kill themselves, or how cults dig their claws into you through subtle guilt tripping and building a sense of solidarity. It's ironic how this kind of moralizing/moralfagging comes from the least moral people, although not really because it's a form of projection or performativeness. People only feel the need to perform if they're trying to present a certain image or if they feel insecure about themselves.
>>84458949Religion is not a reliable arbiter of moralsReligions only don't want you to self exit because they need their cattle class to give them power same with the be plentiful and multiply shit
>press red>I'm safe, stupid people decide how many people dieWow truly voting is a retarded system
>>84459494It's more post-hoc when they realized that blue was obviously the retarded and wrong choice and don't want to admit it. I admit when I first saw this I was thinking I would choose blue but then I realized if everyone just pressed red no one would die. I only hope that in the scenario that this actually happened I wouldn't act on first impulse.
>>84459470Or you could get on the red boat where nobody dies and nothing happens and it's just a boat.
>>84459509"Psychopaths and sociopaths share a lack of empathy and disregard for social norms, often falling under Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD). Psychopathy is considered genetic and marked by calculated, cold, and charming behavior, while sociopathy is often linked to environment/trauma, resulting in impulsive, erratic, and aggressive behavior. Psychopaths are emotionally detached, while sociopaths may have limited emotional depth."
>>84458899Here's how you make it a question of ethics and sacrifice:Everyone is split into two groups. Group 1 has three buttons: the red button kills everyone, the blue blue button kills everyone in Group 1 but lets Group 2 live, and the yellow button allows whoever pressed it to be immune to the effects of the red and blue buttons but kills a random person from Group 2.
>>84459541no because you see batman... the blue boats are actually red boats, i'll show you, i'll show everyone >:^)
>>84459545The psychopath is the blue button cult leader like the jonestown guy who makes everyone join his suicide cult and the sociopath is the useful neurotic/histrionic idiot who falls for it.
>>84459541Hey buddy did you just roll in from stupid townThey were explicitly told by the joker they were going to die if they didn't kill the other so naturally The people on the non prisoner boat started talking about why their lives had more value and deserved to live and on the prisoner boat they were extremely selfish and wanted to press the button to survive In the end reason guided the prisoners or at least the one who had the most authority to decide not to press it and the people on the other boat Wondered why they weren't already dead so neither of them pressed the buttonWhich according to red pressers in this thread is illogical because if neither pressed both would die which would be nonsensical to allow better one than both the red saysNeither pressed and nobody diedEmpathy. The word is empathy
>>84459575How did you get the description wrong even when the literal definition was out in front of you. You saw the literal definition said nah I got a better definition and then just assigned whatever definition for your argument .
>>84459548You would have to label the percentages necessary to make tge buttons take effect first. And group 2 is just a victim group, not actors in the scenario.
>>84459583also the joker would probably have blown the remaining boat afterwards because he is le chaotic evil nyeheheh
This could easily be made a question of actual sacrifice by saying that if you press blue, you save someone else who pressed blue from being killed even if red wins.
>>84459583If I'm on the prisoner boat then something is fucked up. If I'm on the innocent boat then I know batman will save me or he wont
>>84459601That doesn't track with his motivations, did you watch the film he wanted to prove to batman beneath the veneer humans were selfish monster how does that meet his goals if he just kills them himself.Fucking hell use critical thinking.
>>84459620What the fuck was the point of your post. I'm asking genuinely. Was it to save yourself from embarrassment? Didn't feel like putting in effort to our conversation? What compelled you to type absolutely nothing of worth?
>>84459624Chaos do what chaos do
>>84459539I think the question was bait from the start and the point was always to add in non actors and go >hahah look you want to kill babieswhen they knew damn well that wasn't what anyone normal would assume. It's deliberately set up for a cheap gotcha moment, which, in a way, loops back around to the people who posed the question and presumably pressed the blue button doing it for the feeling of moral superiority.
>>84459667>blue button doing it for the feeling of moral superiority.What goes through your mind when being kind is some kind of flex
>>84459575Oh yeah forgot to mention blue button sociopath try to spread themselves like a virus because they're bug people who only feel secure if everyone else joins their death cult. This is why the blue button people are such moralfags. Moralfags don't actually care about your well being, which is why they use guilt tripping and sentimental tactics to convince you to join the cult.>>84459593What was wrong about it? Psychopaths are cold calculating and charming like the jonestown cult leader. I guess the followers aren't necessarily sociopaths but his lackeys probably are. Either way they attract people with some kind of neuroses.
Pressing the red button is literally nothing but upside. Nothing bad will happen to you, and if you win then you get a eugenic effect on society when it culls all the low IQ retards and maliciously 'empathetic'.
>>84456663>If you pick this pill, there's a non-zero chance that you die.>If you pick this pill, there's a 0% chance you die."Oh nooo I don't want to kill people" If the amount of people who choose blue is 0, no one dies.People who pick blue have zero survival instinct, putting themselves at risk when there is no reward compared to the other option.If you possess the bare minimum critical thinking skills, you wouldn't bet on the choice that could end up killing you and hope that others think the same.Anyone who picks blue deserves to die if things don't go their way (which is fairly likely).It's an IQ test, not a morality test. Saying picking red is evil is only true if you're a moron who picked blue. If you both pick red not only did you make the correct choice, you also made the morally right choice.Either way, those who pick red are fine.In no scenario do they die. In one of the two no one dies. In the second, the likelihood of you knowing anyone who died by picking blue is low.I'd make sure none of my family or friends pick blue, that's for sure. Strangers die all the time.In fact, I'd be happy if the people who picked blue died because they're exactly the types who would vote for gorillions of migrants flooding their country because of muh empathy and hoping that we'd get "the good ones" or ones that can actually change (note: they can't).
>I'm pressing the red button as I don't want to die, everyone should just do that >But some people will press blue! Therefore you have to press blue to try to save them>Why are these people pressing blue when they could just press red and not have to be saved?>Because some other people are pressing blue and therefore you have to try to save them>Why are these people pressing blue when they could just press red and not have to be saved?>Because some other people are pressing blue and therefore you have to try to save them.....
>>84459738>you win then you get a eugenic effect on society when it culls all the low IQ retards and maliciously 'empathetic'.Congratulations water is no longer a human right
>>84459696I'm talking about the question itself and why it was posed. It was posed so that people could say red pressers want to kill babies, colorblind people etc. and feel morally superior to them, when in reality red pressers just assumed that we'd have accomodations for the visually impaired and no one would be holding babies up to buttons and having them flail around until they randomly hit one. That's the crux of your argument, which is why I should have caveated it earlier and also why you were reluctant to engage with the shock collar example; the danger is better communicated there, so the non actors your argument hinges on would be less likely to inadvertently make the choice that places them at risk. You are deliberately being disingenuous because you know that you and the red pressers are arguing about two different things and pretending not to understand why that irritates people.
>>84459792Yeah sure man that totally follows. Please just go jump in the wood chipper, we need you in there to jam it
>>84459810no thanks but i'll jump in the meat grinder instead, it's not a one-hit kill move anyways
Here's how to make it more interesting: If blue wins, anyone who pressed red has it tattooed on their forehead. That way there's an actual downside to pressing red.
>>84459810You're little eugenics game is only ensuring the most selfish sociopathic and pyschopathic individuals make it to the next round you're still going to be stuck in the circle with more ruthless killers I can tell from you posting on r9k at random times of the dayThey want this life thing more than you.
>>84459786>Why are these people pressing blue when they could just press red and not have to be saved?Because some of them are children/babies who don't understand what's going on, or visually impaired and can't distinguish the buttons, or maybe comatose, (I wonder how their vote is counted?) or something else that one would assume would either be accommodated for or would render them exempt in the real world. That's the crux of his argument. Yes, it's a cheap gotcha; that's the point of it.
>>84459822>have to choose between relying on retards to live or being tattooed on the foreheadWould make me vote blue because tattoos are fucking gay. at least I'd die.
>>84459841Well now you're introducing extraneous factors just for the sake of being disingenuous.
Who is administering this vote?God? The vote is a test, all Red voters will be punished.Satan? The vote is a test, all Red voters will be punished.A mad scientist or supervillain? The vote is a social experiment, all Red voters will be punished.Space aliens? The vote is a test, all Red voters will be punished.Learn2metagame.
What button would the former Nestle CEO press
>>84459850except we live in a cold uncaring universe that doesn't give us test. and in the case that some insane dictator gives us that test, even dying doesn't matter because nothing matters in the entire world nothing ever mattered nor will anything ever matter
>>84459839>Hey come play this game of Russian roulette >No>But if you don't there's a chance that the other people playing it might die>No>You're selfish sociopathic and pyschopathicYou're a retarded sanctimonious faggot who deserves to be torn limb from limb by the drooling biomass that you're imagining yourself the saviour of
>>84459845I'm just summing his argument up. I agree that it's disingenuous, the whole point of it and the way the original problem was phrased was built around this "twist" from the beginning. The shock collar example is better, or even just one that specifically exempts non actors from participating in the vote, although then they'd just argue the definition of actor rather than engage with the problem.
To be a redfag you have to:>lie to yourself about the results of the poll>assume a scenario where everyone presses red>pretend to be racist, then have meltdowns when the skin color of redfags is correctly pointed out
>>84456663>partaking in a pointless death gameNope. "Everyone has to-" NOPE.The correct move in this scenario is to neutralize the tribal fuckwits orchestrating this divisive nonsense and carry on with your day.
>>84459887I'm not going to be shamed into voting against my own self-interests. Ethically I have done nothing wrong by pressing red, whatever the consequences. I vote red majority votes red I liveI vote red majority votes blue I liveI vote blue majority votes red I just killed myselfI vote blue majority votes blue I still placed my safety in the hands of the retarded masses which disgusts me on a personal level. Deontology. I'm not required to go out of my way to save you.
>>84456663Jeff Bezos ex wife was worth 36 billion dollars when she divorced himShe gave away 26 billion dollars to charity She's now Worth 42 billion dollars
>>84459935or maybe the gold digger lied about donating her money and pocketed it instead and then some? don't get me wrong i hate jeff bezos too but come on, the math doesn't add up
>>84459956>or maybeOpinion fucking discarded I
Blue button is the moralfag choice. Note about moralfags, they don't actually care about morality. If they were moral they would have your best interests in mind, good will =moral. When someone doesn't actually care about you what they do is try to make you feel bad through guilt tripping, shaming, and/or sentiment. This is just another way to use force without it being physical because they usually have some kind of resentment yet no way to "get back" or feel validated unlike the "natural winners". They do this for three reasons>Because they want controlThese are the nannies who want to micro manage people>Because they feel insecureThese are the people who need company for their group because they think it affirms what they're doing is right, or they don't want to feel like the only sucker, the only one who's miserable>Because they feel envyThese are the people who hate seeing you happy, they're like the masculinityfags who want men to collectively suffer because it's "manly"This is what you can call weaponized sympathy, it's essentially a form of fighting without actually physically fighting. This is why their intention is to make you feel bad, something someone who cared about you wouldn't be trying to do.
>>84459970>Please validate my selfishness I see the boomer spirit still lives on
>>84459976It's not selfish to refuse to senselessly kill yourself. It would only be selfish to press red in a scenario like >>84459618
>>84456663The biggest flaw with this is that nobody votes on this knowing they could in fact die from voting on an online poll. This removes all risk from blue, making it viable, and removes the incentive from red, which is to survive, because you survive either way. The ideal situation is voting blue in this online poll because you have the reward of virtue signaling to a small group of people who care, and voting red were there to be a scenario in which this event happens, which is what I would do personally. >but you're supposed to pretendDo you think most people voting on this are doing this? Do you think they're not subconsciously aware of the lack of risk when voting?
>>84458669you're trolling, fuck off.
all you can do is help redfags though, you can't kill redfags only blue saints.
>>84459989what do you think a bluepresser could think when they press the blue button?
>>84459928>DeontologyWhat?
>>84459911>The correct move in this scenario is to neutralize the tribal fuckwits orchestrating this divisive nonsense... hey, cool it with the anti semitic remarks.
>>84459976I just explained how moralfags using weaponized sympathy are the ones actually trying to validate their "selfishness" under the guise of morality. There's nothing good willed about trying to get other people to join your suicide pact. Anyone who actually has any degree of good will recognizes other people's own interests. They don't try to convince them to possibly die when they could choose the option that 100% gaurantees their survival without imposing any condition that sacrifices other people's lives EXCEPT when the blue button pushers decide to create a suicide pact.
>>84460156When these blue button pushers decide to create a suicide pact it's like when bpdemons threaten to kill themselves, would you be selfish in not indulging the bpdemon even if she might actually kill herself?
It has been already explained that there is no reason whatsoever to press the blue button. The blue button has risks associated with it while the red has none. Whenever someone decided that they want to die randomly for no good reason is their own problem. Regardless, anyone who actually wants to live survives this whole scenario. This is not a morality test, it's is critical thinking test and everyone who chooses blue buttons fails it and admits into being easily manipulated goyim. Sorry but that's the harsh truth. It is kinda sad to see that majority of humans are certified stupid tho.
>>84460222if only bluepressers had interiority at all and didnt just die randomly for no good reason we could try to understand their choices. as it is theyre not human imo
>>84460222>The blue button has risks associated with it while the red has none. You accuse others of lacking critical thinkings yet seem to lack it yourself. What world exactly do you think will be left after we kill off huge parts of the population capable of being concerned about others?What you call critical thinking is being demonstrated in this video.
>>84456663I'm pressing the red button. Not because I want everyone else to die, but because I know that everyone in india, china, and africa are going to press the red button and if I don't press the red button I'm going to die while they live.And in reality that's how this kind of thing should be done: every global government makes it very clear that everyone needs to push the red button if you want to live because the risk that you 51/50 it and kill half the population is too great; it's sort of like that stupid gameshow where you choose to share or betray for the final prize, so the strat is to tell the person outright you're going to betray but that you'll split the winnings with them if they don't betray, that way they can choose to either go home with a guaranteed mutual nothing or a chance at half; it's also sort of how nuclear powers and MAD works in a modern age.
>>84460543>ChinaIn what world is a collectivist culture going to press red. They would be more culturally inclined to press blue than any western country.
>>84460543>Not because I want everyone else to die, but because I know that everyone in india, china, and africa are going to press the red buttonFinally, a redfag with actual good logic.
>>84460556china is collectivist only on the largest scale. In china if someone gets hit by a car or has a heart attack on the street, they will lay dying for hours because if you try to help them you risk being held accountable for their deathchina will collectively vote red without shame
You have to push one
I'm pressing red. Not because I want to live, but because I want to make sure anyone dumb enough to press blue is killed.
>>84456663Which is the blackest pilled choice?
>>84456663a world exclusively populated by red button pressers would be even more hellish than this current one. Not worth living in.
>>84456663The red button pushers wouldn't survive long term though. Red button pushers will do every man for himself until only one man is left, leader of nothing and standing for nothing other than satisfaction of saying they won. What happens after? That is, if the collective spirit of the blue button pushers doesn't create some kind of consequences for them and the blue button pushers emerge from the least psycho red button pushers, ending in blue button pushers winning anyways because they care and are not corruptable and can work togeather. Red pushers are selfish psycho short term people, and the tester should stamp "Red button pusher" on their forehead so blue button pushers can kick them out of advanced society, if they want to be short term violent every man for himself 3rd world people. But with no blue button pushers to exploit and hurt, red button pushers will just turn on eachother. But if they're stamped with red button pusher then how can they force and trick their way into blue button pusher society?
It's about anticipating what most other people would do, since you presumably can't do this with any degree of certainty red is the correct answer, simple as, the results of the poll are irrelevant because of how slim the margin of victory is, people overweight 15% as if that's a sizeable enough chunk to stake your life on
A logical extension to voting blue is the white feather movement. I'm just not going to.
>>84460958The high IQ cohort selects red, even if everyone else dies it's a net positive for society because the baseline IQ level increases dramatically, yielding overall better decision-making and civilizational purity/quality of life, recycling this answer for this recycled post
>>84461041iq isn't everything, not that i think red is the high iq answer anyway. what a lot of redpressers itt lack is the ability to model other povs at all, and entertain this test beyond first order hypotheticals. they stop at red being the rational choice because they always live. thats it. the rest of the time is just harping this down with ever more creative analogies that show exactly that. ironically the ability they lack is what is needed to solve other coordination problems on a civilizational scale. someone might vote blue just based on that, endorsing the kind of world he wants to live in
>>84461070>ability to model other povsThe point is whether or not you're a blue or a red presser nobody can do with with any degree of accuracy so honestly the blue pressers just strike me as arrogantly overconfident in their ability to predict what other people would do, it's reckless to press blue plain and simple
>>84461093*can do that with
>>84461093i wasn't claiming accuracy. my point was about whether its attempted at all. many redpressers dont do this, they decide as if alone
>>84459260>I wouldn't mind pressing blue and dying because of itLeast suicidal blue presser
>>84461155...yeah, they don't do it because they're sharp enough to know that they can't
This is a test in risk analysis. Pushing red carries zero risk. Pushing blue carries unnecessary risk. Therefore, red is the correct answer.For this to be some sort of ethical question, there should be some sort of selfless reason to press blue. As the question stands, pressing blue is just a game of Russian Roulette.
Noticing how a lot of bluepressers are typing in trooncase.
>>84461222kekyou still seem to think it's about accuracy
>>84458703That dilemma is not presented under the red button press choice, it's presented under the blue button choice and the individual decides.
>>84460500Choosing to suicide is not being capable of thinking of others. In fact it shows a complete lack of such concern that you would you would be willing to drag others into such an ordeal.
>>84456794>rational choicenote how they never say that it's the moral choice
>>84462368It is moral choice too, because there is this baseline morality that every living being has inherent right to fight for their own survival. Choosing life is always moral. Between choosing life irrevocably and playing Russian roulette, it is obvious that the not doing gamblng is more moral. It's kinda about how ultimately classical capitalism ends up being more moral as in beneficial to everyone than communism, because it gives humans a choice in the matter of their fate. God clearly does not support the idea of majority tyranny because he gave us free will, when he could have just made us mindless good little drones. In the end of it, if you compare a society of USA versus China, you can clearly see that American (or European in that case) society is warmer, more self conscious, and compassionate. They can afford more pity because they they don't need to worry about face and survival as much. Personal good is what builds collective good, not the other way around. The reason why it is not brought up is because the question is simply not about it. It's not about selfishness. Selfishness is not even immoral to begin with. But it is an iq test. So they right answer is indeed whenever it is rational or not.
>>84456663Blue retard cope thread
>>84456663The blue society is one in which they bring in endless shit skins and fully support replacement genocide. That is the society blue supports.
Unless you got money for pressing red I don't know why you'd press it other than out of spite
would rather not live in a society filled with only people who pressed redso blue
>>84462524Yeah Japanese people would definitly press red bro you totally don't live in a low trust society and if you do that's actually based the guy who wants to replace you with a cheaper immigrant is 100% a bluetard
>>84458686For yourself i mean. There's no stipulation that a majority pressing red lead to extinction for all. Its just "press red and you instantly survive no questions asked or strings attached".Blue pressers may die in cultures with a predominant red presser populace which does make it more complex though. Guessing that's what you're hinting at.
>>84456794The red option should be that (1) only those who press red survive (2) provided that more than 50% of people press red.
