https://youtube.com/watch/tgZgNLiuFB0
MBTI doodGood thing when it comes to the general.Not so good for typology discussion, since it's still the most relevant one, and the gateway drug to Jung. Somehow those threads still get replies on /v/, but that's not exactly a very stable place to keep the threads up.
>>84461302INTP biochemist reporting in
What's the most infp piece of media that existsAnd I dont mean one with just good infp characters I mean like the DNA of the work is infp through and through
we need total INFP death in this universe
At least they're not manipulative and evil like INFJs
>>84461999>InvasionsD:
>>84462896LolTo be fair, the word sounds funny but Jung pointed out there is basically no difference beween "sudden artistic inspiration" and "invasion". Only means an unconsicous content that found its way into consciousness, sometimes it can be used for cool painting, other times it will cause trouble IRL without the person being able to properly assess where something came from.
>>84462218i'm infp but i don't go flaunting it around like an absolute self absorbed, twitter glued, freakshow retard, we're not ALL like that
>>84462179Whatever the most depressing and obnoxious media is.Probably Twilight.
>>84462179Arguably this is true both ways for HC Precure.The protagonist is INFP, the work itself is a magical girl story with the very clear theme of Jungian individuation, and flower symbolism because yes.
>>84462920So does he mean just intrusive thoughts or basically Amy idea?
>>84464752The former, since the latter can be more or less consciously conceived.
>>84463814Are magical girls INFP? I thought they were at least trying to save other people and weren't particularly mopey. Why INFP and not something like an ENFJ? Although I do suppose the stupid little girl transformation into an ENTJ alter ego does make sense. Did we agree that the functions in reverse order were the shadow before? Or like, what was that? I remember something about everyone having 4 forms but the details elude my rotten brain.
>>84464779>Are magical girls INFP?Depends.OG little witch style sounds at least NF, since it's about solving practical problems with magic or turning yourself bigger/older, and generally are individuation stories dressed up in magical stuff.Sailor Moon style is definitely more of an extraverted feeling thing, and Usagi leaves very little to the imagination about what's her type. If the focus moves closer to the action or aesthetic sides(arguably Precure lands here, with the heavier emphasis on color coding, sakuga scenes, you get the point), then Sensation is also here. Interestingly enough, Naoko strikes me as an introverted thinking type, so this is the Freud situation where she just wrote about her inferior function.The subversive/parody/non-traditional style is harder to pin down, it's probably bringing in more thinking aspects that the genre usually glosses over.>Did we agree that the functions in reverse order were the shadow before?If you want to follow Beebe/Socionics canon, then the "shadow functions" would be your stack but with swapped attitude.That means INTP<->ENTJ for instance.But that sucks cocks, the Jungian shadow would be closer to the inferior function. Not exactly the same, but that's what's most active in your personal unconscious and thus would be shaping the opposite of the Ego-consciousness.
i flaunted being an INFP at some pointfuckign kill me>>84463744
I hate being INTP. its literally just the friendless autistic loser personality. Theres nothing good about living as an INTP
>>84465217At least you aren't INFP
>>84464869I wouldn't say magical girl alter egos are shadows, more repressed ideal versions of themselves they wish they could . I always assumed shadows were like scary or something. Things you pretend aren't a part of you rather than what you wish you were. I experience my inferior Ne as like an "oh fuck everyone's gonna hate this must destroy everything that has any resemblance of my own ideas or personality in it to divorce myself from it" like I can see everyone else's imagination in a bad way that makes me panic. Almost kinda like how I heard on a podcast once that purtaboro from Warhammer can look at any machine and immediately see how it breaks. The perceptions of other people haunt me like a demon on my shoulder. I can't escape from the fact that I can't experience existence myself without polluting it. I don't see that as being the same as the super hero version of myself that a magical girl is.>solving practical problemsHey ain't that just extraverted thinking? I guess the magical wish fullfillment of it being an NF thing would be that you can solve problems with pure values and imagination rather than gritty realism of thinking and sensing.Anyhow I ain't never seen a frame of precure in my life. Is it a difficult thing to get into, and/or any good?
>>84462218Considering their suicide rates, total infpigger death will come from their own hands
>>84465217Have faith. INTPs talk themselves down but they have a relatively acceptable niche, especially if they're male. They're just hard carries when it comes to being social they really benefit from their auxillary intuition coming into play. So long as they keep getting new inputs to chew crunch on they eventually get somewhere. And luckily for them their teriary Si doesn't really need other people so they can metamorphosize quite successfuly on their own.
>>84465878Ah but they just means the ones that survive are like cockroaches and are more difficult to remove
>>84465856>I wouldn't say magical girl alter egos are shadowsI wouldn't either. Anon just happened to ask that in the same post.>more repressed ideal versions of themselves they wish they could Generally correct, you could say it includes a fully integrated shadow, but still one that's bent to the Ego. For one, I can easily tell you that Heartcatch for instance splits the shadow and the magical girl alter ego in two different entities with clearly different personalities, despite both belonging to the same character.>Hey ain't that just extraverted thinking?The distinction does get blurry at times, but I would say it's easier to understand if you focus on "practical", as in, involving practical skills against "external", as in being related to an external system. Jung/V.F. lawyer example is ideal here: he is not necessarily a practical figure, but he is one who is very deep into studying what governs the outside world and settling matters by using this knowledge.> I guess the magical wish fullfillment of it being an NF thing would be that you can solve problems with pure values and imagination rather than gritty realism of thinking and sensing.Precisely what I was getting at yeah.>Anyhow I ain't never seen a frame of precure in my life. Is it a difficult thing to get into, and/or any good?It's the pokemon of magical girls, if you want to see it that way.Which is to say, largely the same kind of plot structure, but with different characters and themes. You don't actually need to watch every single season, and the quality can be wildly different. For people who are into Jung, there is an extremely obvious pick: Heartcatch Precure, also widely considered peak of the series.
Obligitory>Your mbti>Which button do you press, red or blue?
>>84465902>>84465878>>84465246>>84465183>>84463744>>84462218what did infp do to u
>>84465969>INFJ>tell the general masses to press blue, press red
>>84465950Oh cool, now I want a precure romhack, ideally for one of the DS games because I find those comfiest
>>84466072Yeah that's pretty much what I expected immediately lol. I was gonna try categorising them myself, and INFJ saying blue but pressing red was my very first idea. But why not try collect some empirical data first? Well I suppose I've ruined it already by saying this but we're all gentlemen here and who's even gonna read this post anyway? I just need to add a few more words to keep the zoomers away from this "wall of text". Maybe make a tiktok about why telling the truth and not ruining polls is broccoli based. Who am I kidding? People don't even have the attention span and abstract thinking to decieve anymore so I think we're safe.
>>84465982An INFP femboi once looked fuckable to me and made me think I was gay. Why yes I do also hate INTJs.
>>84466079Will have to eventually play the games, they all looked just kind of passable.But oh well, when it comes to vidya magical girls, there is a particularly fun arcade game even if it has fuck all to do with the genre in gameplay terms, and even the plot is not really there. But the main girl is voiced by Sakura Tange so it's fine and clearly related to CSS.>>84465969ENTP and also jungian EN(T)Red is clearly the logical choice, you only risk anything if you press Blue and nobody dies if they all pick Red anyways. Genuinely the only reason to pick Blue is assuming that people are retarded and your only chance to save everyone is by combining enough sheer retardation. This is a very dumb version of the prisoner's dilemma.
>>84466123I read your whole post, don't worry anon. I already have subway surfers playing in the background 24/7 anyway, it's easy!
>>84465969>Your mbtiintp>Which button do you press, red or blue?red, anyone who presses blue is a retard the world could probably do without
>>84466171You know that's exactly what an INFJ might say right before doing something deceptive
>>84466123>the attention span and abstract thinking to decieve anymoreDeception has many forms.It can run entirely on social intuition, requiring little to no thinking, merely twisting what you "feel" is expected from you or setting it up on purpose without claiming otherwise.It can run on knowing how to make convincing arguments even without holding any facts behind it, or make yourself come across as more informed than you really are.It can run on appearance, making yourself look harmless, cute, or just straight attractive. Many times you can hardly argue this is intentional deception, but it does influence how your actions are perceived.It can run on emotional manipulation, trying to cause certain reactions to certain behaviors, saying and acting as if you feel certain things when you don't.In reality, it was never exclusive of a certain type.
>>84466553Yeah exactly. Nobody can lie anymore only make up emotional bullshit to trigger an immediate response. Ragebait, hornybait etc. t's not really the same thing>There's no coconuts that way so you shouldn't bother looking Vs>Coconuts are in the walls and out to get us and are attacking me personally. Totally different vibes. I think my research is safe
which regs are for rape and which are for gentle lovemaking
>>84466774>RapeAnonzzleInfjfemboiENFJ-senpaiCentaur SophiePrinceKrisAll of the witchesMegumin INTJINFJ-ATurbie Enjoyer>Gentle love makingLilacChuckBreeder TurbiePrecure anon INFPrincessRxyHomuMosely ISTP boatgirl posterLich Mr bump
>>84466949>enfjsenpai in the rape list
>>84467028I take it not a bad list if that's your only disagreement. Post yours. And don't forget to add any I missed.
>>84467045whys she in the rape list tho
>>84467058I'm not elaborating on any of my choices
>>84467058>hot girl who leads on robotsyeah she deserves her spot
I'm not exactly sure how I can express this but whenever I watch a show or play a game, I am actually more about "What does this really represent within the actual mainstream metagame of media and how it's general themes relate to how other themes relate to other shows" rather than a mentality that is based more on using the media's own uh logic. I just can't really get into that sort of "Why are the curtains blue" frame of mind when I am more about the "Okay, the curtains are blue here, but they are red in some other thing"
>>84467204I usually just imagine myself as the director and being like, "so that's why I made that choice", and "oh well this actor's doing their best I'll keep that one in". I blame me and my brother watching too much red letter media
>>84465969ENFPBlue obviously.
>>84461302I used to be INTP but I drank too much and used drugs for too long so now im INFPWhat can I do???
>>84465969INTJBlue
I genuinely wonder what the fuck Kersey was smoking with the SP SJ NT NF thing. I don't really find feeling doms with sensation or intuition auxes to be that different from one another and while thinking might be a bit more abstract vs not it is still odd.
https://suno.com/s/F3N8I1lHC99qvWtO
>>84462179Enter/eller (either/or) by Kierkegaard.
>>84468416https://suno.com/s/cAMETVmlwyVQKFpH
>>84468437Have you actually read it?
>>84468449yes, I read it in high and am currently rereading it.
>>84468465Woah that's a lot of typos
>>84468471Haha, indeed. It is written in 19th century danish, and the spelling can be very different from the modern standardized spelling/verbiage. Sometimes I feel like it would probably be easier to read an english translation, however, a lot of his humor is lost in the translation.
>>84468465>reading the original danishWell, you have me beat there. But why do you call it an INFP book?
>>84465217INTP here and can confirmI tried to escape the system and be more social but by the end we are susceptible to being used by sociopaths because we dont understand social dynamicsWe are placed at the bottom of social groups for others benefit in the end you as an INTP you will never, ever be able to network and have people give you a chance at a job or relationship because you. Are. An unlikeable autisticYou can never make real friends because you will never integrate in society like other people can Our whole professional and social life relies on luck and if you are unlucky you are done
>>84468561It is a very romantic (as opposed to realism) work in that it deals with subjective truths, which I feel is very Fi and INFP-ish. In the first book there is a thread of deep emotional reflection, melancholy, and yearning, which I relate a lot to as an INFP type with my tendency to ruminate. Also the books reflects the conflict between the aesthetical and ethical, so the conflict between the dreamy idealism and moral reality, so the personal conflict that comes with authenticity and choosing to be one self.Sorry for the rant. I am drunk and it is late.
I prefer the more obscure PAS allegedly used by the CIA. I like the concept of a layered system where you might be born with certain behavioural traits but environment and traumas will shape you in a way that inhibits or boosts these traits. Hell, there might aspects of how you behave that you might not even recognize but everyone will notice very easily
>>84468416For esfp if she ever comes backhttps://suno.com/s/G1j92LcUaymt2xWChttps://suno.com/s/0WUb3DWkvN1m4gqqhttps://suno.com/s/ix5mn1jvaPLftsQI
>>84468674Have you read Repetition/Gjentagelsen? You might like it, as he hones in on that theme in that book.>Sorry for the rant. I am drunk and it is late.No, no, I love Kierkegaard, and i'm very happy to hear whatever thoughts you have on him and his writings, especially seeing as you read in the original language, and have an interest in mbti.I'll recommend to you as well Jung's Psychological Types, as it's the source for mbti, and I think the works of Kierkegaard and Jung compliment each other, and by understanding one you can come to have a better understanding of the other, which is something of a synchronicity.
>>84468720MBTI threads die instantly upon birthYou can safely assume PAS threads will be abortions
Weird vidya related dream, but I can grasp at a certain symbolic meaning without even needing to know Jung.>be me>playing some ARPG that vaguely resembles one of those mihoyo gachas>the game has very particular trick, most likely an oversight but not exactly a glitch >basically: enemy max HP scales with your level, there is a certain character and equipment that allows a low level party to deal insane damage(relatively to the low level, but it's on par with with midgame standards), and you can fight an endgame mob early enough (you are guaranteed to lose tho, unless you kill them very fast)>what I don't know: EXP scaling is also a thing, so if a low level party kills this mob, they would gain enough EXP to level up 50 times at once or so>the attempt is successful, and I act surprised at how much EXP I just got>in fact I'm concerned that I might have spoiled the game, since I'm a lot more powerful than what I'm supposed to be at this point in the story>and the HP scaling mechanics are also working against me now, since I have low level equipment and the damage done is now subpar relatively to being LV50+>considering just restarting, but also googling around to see if this is a known exploit
>>84469438>I can grasp at a certain symbolic meaning without even needing to know JungSome of your say the wildest things.
>>84469612It's kinda obvious when you think about it. It sounded like a prompt to not take a tempting shortcut, because doing so would cause regret at not having played it out properly. Only question ask myself would be "which one exactly?" since I never particularly care about playing things by the book.
>>84461302ISTP here.Havent been to these threads (or this board) in a couple years.
>>84469693You were missed dearly.
>>84469743Doubt it but you may just be using a default response to anyone who claims to be returning here after being absent for a period of time.I've been experimenting with playing out scenarios on Google AI so I can get feedback on the analysis of such scenarios. Mainly regarding the ISTP sexuality and eventually entering an ENFJ into the picture in these scenarios, and it made me think about these threads.I've thought about sharing one of these here but it may be considered a garbage dump level of spam. It starts with the ISTP scanning an ENFJ's body at a party, her taking him into a bedroom and pushing him onto the bed, to fuck him, which is where their sexual relationship begins. The ISTP will eventually get comfortable with the ENFJ and decides he's ready for a romantic relationship with her. They run into a roadblock regarding contraception, as the ENFJ finally lets the ISTP cum inside her and he begins to worry about getting her pregnant, which he wasn't ready for, just yet; they managed to get that settled and the ISTP eventually proposes to the ENFJ. They got married, finally had kids, and lived happily ever after.I then thought about doing the same scenario with an INFJ, thinking it would be interesting, but ended up with writers block because they're supposed to fuck but INFJs have inferior Se and this chick cannot handle the ISTP licking her clitoris during foreplay.
>>84469941Granted, I am writing that the INFJ cannot handle the clitoral stimulation, not Google.
>>84469941That's certainly one way to use LLMs lmao. Kinda funny that it's a female ENFJ making the first move, rather uncoventional for a type who would stick with playing her role conventionally(I would imagine she has been told at some point that men have to approach her, and Fe-groids hardly question such things if they have no particular reason to), but I can see them not caring much once they assess you are on it anyways.Me? Pic somewhat related, I turned to make Clod write about fictional murder trials between some characters I have.Some versions had cool shit that I noted for future use, others were kinda meh because the LLM straight ignored what I had planted in the initial doc.Strangely consistent at picking out who should be the true culprit despite me not writing it explicitly, so far wit#3 was picked 4/5 times, and 1/5 wit#1.
>>84469989>Kinda funny that it's a female ENFJ making the first moveYeah but I did not think what I had in mind would worked with an ESFJ or ESTJ, but this would have been something an ESTJ would have done, for the initiation.
>>84470128A little further into this scenario.
>>84470165One more before I am finished sharing.
>>84470128>This move is the "final solution" to the ISTP's social paralysis>>84470195>By "flipping" herGotta love the unintentional humour.I got this in the 4th attempt myself, what a line. This is really straight out of a VN.
>>84467701Take more drugs and become an ENFP since that's a type people actually like
>>84470288Who knew Google wanted to kill all of the socially inept?
>>84470594Don't worry, Google wants to kill everyone, he doesn't discrminate. Also that INFJ sounds cute.Always fun when you discover the true power of LLMs. Take a guess which type this girl is supposed to be, honestly best attempt so far in terms of humour, even if the next one also had its moments already(not finished yet).
being INTP is hell
>>84470651ENTP comes to mind but that is because I am seeing it as her being a smartass, so that may be inaccurate.
>>84469675Probably the one you mention in your post.
>>84461302Being ESTJ is hell.
>>84470698Yes, she absolutely is, both ENTP and a smartass. Claude was very consistent at making her scenes the most hilarious, it's written in the initial doc that she is the kind of girl who doesn't have much respect for authorities or courtroom proceedings, and doesn't take most things seriously. So she routinely frustrates both sides, and caused a lot of commotion with her running an unauthorized investigation, bringing up new evidence out of nowhere, then clearly stating that the defendant is innocent(which is to say, from the defense PoV she is actually helpful, and also Claude never dared to make her into the true culprit).
>entjthoughts on this type?
>>84471203i love them, probably my fav typet. INTP
>>84466949Which category is Movie Anon in?
>>84465892>>84468666ENTP here. All you have to do to succeed is talk to people about whatever is on their mind. Ask them about their lives and then give your own unsolicited thoughts on it and ask how it works and why they're doing what they're doing. "Mainsplaining" as a term was always just an invented excuse by feminists to suppress specifically thinking types. An explaination is just how people trying to talk and socialize through thoughts communicate with eachother. If someone explains something to you you already know, that's your chance to ask questions about the thing and get an interesting conversation going.Yes, psychopaths exist, but autists beat psychopaths.>>84465982>what did infp do to uA self identified infp just gives me the side eye constantly. It's rude for me to just ask why, since we're not close enough yet. I'm too diagnosed autistic to just know why.>>84465969Depends if they mean everyone on the planet dies or just everyone who pushed a button diesIf it's the former, then obviously blue. If red wins, I'm not sure it'd even be worthwhile to live there. If it's the latter, then obviously pick red. Are you fucking dumb? If you hit the blue button, then you're risking your life for no reason. You're suicidal. You're telling red-pushers "I'm going to kill myself for no reason if you don't also threaten to kill yourself for no reason, so we can save all the people who threatened to kill themselves for no reason because they're too stupid not to walk directly into oncoming traffic on their own.On more complicated matters where people genuinely can't figure it out and end up harming themselves like with taxes, then I join the side that bails them out at a risk of harming myself. I'd push the blue button were it genuinely complicated. If we need hiking bans innawoods because some people don't know how to pack enough food, then we need them, even if it means I can't hike. But in this case, it's literally just a matter of being independant.
>>84471440>Depends if they mean everyone on the planet dies or just everyone who pushed a button diesIt's written that everyone in the world has to press one of the buttons, so there is no difference.And yea, the way it's written implies Red is the logical choice. Twittertard didn't think too deeply about how prisoner's dilemma actually works.
>>84471460>It's written that everyone in the world has to press one of the buttonsOh shit. I've seen the question so many times and people usually leave that part out so I just assumed. This actually complicates things a little bit, because we can't expect people to all make the rational choice, since children are people and will be forced to choose. Maybe blue would be better, actually. Just to insure we don't cull half the children who don't yet have very strong faculties for reasoning. It's understandable who one might look at this an figure blue means selfless and red means selfish.If everyone on the planethad to choose, I'd pick blue to save the innocent children who genuinely need to be kept from killing themselves. If not for them, and other people who can't advocate for themselves, I wouldn't choose blue.
>>84471460*ensureI made a typo.
>>84471460I had more typos*how one might look at this*And figure
>>84466149>Genuinely the only reason to pick Blue is assuming that people are retarded and your only chance to save everyone is by combining enough sheer retardationIt's a serious reason to consider, since lots of children are genuinely retarded, and are still forced to choose.
>>84470533>since that's a type people actually likeThat isn't true at all. It's a difficult life being an emfp.
>>84471538>>84471586Come to think of it, things get weird when you introduce, let's say, infants and children who can't read or understand the question at all, they might press blue completely on accident for all you know. It's a weird question that turns prisoner's dilemma into a question of whether you trust EVERYONE to be conscious at all, instead of assuming rational actors.Now it's more of a question of whether you trust this reasoning to hold for said conscious people, and thus going for blue, or them simply going for the logical choice as given, still red.I had said previously that the problem ends up being about trust rather than morality alone.If I don't automatically trust enough people to reason in the same way as you do, then Blue is suicidal, not even selfless because that stops mattering if I'm not concinved you can really save anyone.
>>84466774>rapeanonzzlecentaurkrismegumin rxy>gentle love makingmovie anonturbie sophieenfj-senpaimosleyhomulilac
>>84466774The love I would make to lilac would be legendary. It would cure her.
>>84471402He's a rape from me, and so is ESFP-T now that she's been brought up
>>84466949I would make sweet love to lilac and esfp because I trust they would both pick blue button. Trust isn't the right word. I know they would pick blue.
>>84471855So one last shag before they dissolve when the votes are counted?
Hello, INFP chad here>>84462179LotR obviously>>84465969Blue because even if red wins the world after that would be heavily selected for dark triad people and i wouldn't want to live in that world anyway
>>84466949>Patch God in the rape categoryAbsolutely capital B Based. This list is one thousand percent legitimate
>>84465969INFJ type 5 spRED. Is this even debatable?I would so look forward to Blue moral grandstanding superiorists getting filtered by their own retardation
>>84466774>Sweet Love and commitment Patchouli (after their attitude and sass rape adjustment therapy treatments, of course .. )>RapePatchouli >Neither rape nor love Everyone else>Psychologically abuse and then discard in a fallow pasture making him walk back to the farm, aloneSophie
Well, Clod writes ENTP/EN(T) (aka wit#2) in a funny way, largely in the same way I do actually. Not sure if I'm supposed to take this as a compliment but the character is accurate to source.The IxFJ/IS(F) (aka wit#3) was also gud, always endearing even when selected as the true culprit on most attempts. Didn't need to do much work here at all, better than expected. Don't have much of a source but it's how I would have done it. "Si" and Jungian IS are very different, so I'm not giving her ISFJ, but I also can't claim she is intuitive.ISFP/IF(S) (aka defendant) decent enough, carried by the fact that I specified some quirks though. Definitely better in the source.The worst was the ESxP/ES(F) (aka wit#1). Tried pretty hard to nudge the dumb LLM in the right direction but he doesn't seem to want to cooperate, maybe the context is not helping but come on, you allowed the EN to fuck around but not this one? What the hell clanker? I specified we are talking about somebody who would unironically ask the lawyers if they want her autograph, it was supposed to be at least half as entertaining as wit#2!At least we got a joke about her walking in with the shortest miniskirt allowed in a courtroom because Se-groid memes.>>84472155Congrats, now >>84472029 is dead.
>>84472208Oh, no! Anyways ...INFP has a tendency of committing suicide, after all. He killed himself here. His pride, his fall
>>84471210what are some common ways to identify intp's?honestly i'm kinda shit at reading people unless they wear their heart on their sleeve
>>84472263INFPs can be good. They just need to be completely fictional.As in, it's a minimum requirement because you have some shitty INFPs in fiction too.
Red leads to the better world. Red is the ethical choice. If everyone pushed red, then nobody would be at risk. To be clear, nobody is at risk unless they press blue. It's not even the prisoner's dilemma here because no dilemma exists until blue pushers create the dilemma and then force the consequences of their own agency onto other people as if it's their responsibility. That isn't right. That is oppressive and narcissistic. Don't put on to others what is essentially your own accountability and then have the gall to cast judgement onto them for not choosing to partake in your foolery. It's insane
"If enough of us all choose to collectively kill ourselves, then nobody would die!! Wait, there are people who won't join us in potentially killing ourselves all as a test of other people's trust? WOW, I don't want to live in a world with REDS! They are selfish and dark triad scum. After The Push is over, we should round up REDS and force them out of society for being bad people."You know who is obsessed with testing others for trust or loyalty? Narcs
>>84472372Bit of a meta issue, but the other anon made a fair argument about blue.The way the problem is written means there will be non-rational actors, such as children or people who can't read/understand the question for any other reason. And there is a chance these people are picking blue without not even knowing they put their life in jeopardy.Prisoner's dilemma works because you have to assume everyone is a rational person, and neither choice is inherently more rational. Here Red is perfectly logical, but not everyone involved is able to make a logical nor moral choice.The trolley picture is unironically better, at least it's not implying everyone in the world is forced to play along.
>>84472411>there will be non-rational actors, such as children or people who can't read/understand the question for any other reason. And there is a chance these people are picking blue without not even knowing they put their life in jeopardy.And where are these kids' parents in this? This is easily solved by their parents telling them to push red, or even pushing it for them in the case of actually parenting (an all too foreign concept on here, I understand ..) Those among us who are genuinely invested in the well-being and safety of others could choose to stand by the buttons ready to help the illiterate understand this nonsensical, non-dilemma. This unnecessary focus on non-rational actors serves those who want to validate and justify to themselves pushing blue and why it's the morally correct choice. It's not
>>84472553>This is easily solved by their parents telling them to push redI was assuming you are not able to influence somebody's else vote in any way.>This unnecessary focus on non-rational actors serves those who want to validate and justify to themselves pushing blue and why it's the morally correct choice. It's notIt's a problem with how the tweet is written honestly. It's fair to point out the non-rational actors exist, and it's kinda funny to put it that way to justify blue because it automatically proves red would be the rational choice, were it not for people who are not capable of such a choice.
>>84472411>>84472372You only need 50% of people to pick blue and no one dies at all. You need 100% of people to pick red so that no one dies. How is this still a talking point.
>Yet another button thread Literally only 1% less retarded than asking if 100 humans could beat 1 gorilla
>>84472650As given it's basicallyRed means no risk, if people want to try to Blue it's literally their problem.Non-rational actors is a possible justification for Blue, but otherwise only Red makes any sense.>what if rational actors choose BlueYou picked the risky option as opposed to the perfectly safe one, you don't get to complain when you die as a result.>>84472671True
>>84472571>I was assuming you are not able to influence somebody's else vote in any way.Of course. It helps make blue sound better than it is. Notice how blue only makes sense once the scenario is distorted wildly and becomes less realistic? There is a reason for that . . .Blue only makes sense in the imagination. It fails immediately upon contact with realism. >It's a problem with how the tweet is written honestlyFor sure. These things are rarely ever of sufficient detail or clarification. The less the specifics are know, the more it allows for friction between people not necessarily disagreeing upon principle but rather on each other's understanding and perception of the question.>It's fair to point out the non-rational actors exist, and it's kinda funny to put it that way to justify blue because it automatically proves red would be the rational choice, were it not for people who are not capable of such a choice.Very good point. I didn't catch that. If blue has to bring up the non-rational actors as a supporting argument for blue being rational, then it's self-defeating because of the implication that red is the rational decision they might not make. We're choosing blue because blue is bad, and people who don't know any better might make a bad decision unless we protect them by also making a bad decision, essentially. I kind of just see people (blues, mostly) using this question in order to find something to despise others for. Or as proof that people suck and the world is just as dark and cutthroat as they fear. It's an exploration of distrust issues. It's the latest flavour of the week. Next week there will be something else going viral for which to dislike people you don't know, whether for a view they actually hold or simply one you want to imagine they do. We've got our George Floyds, our Renae Goods, our red vs blues Rorschach tests being served up like bread on our dinner tables to keep the tribalism we have yet to outgrow nice and sated
>>84472816>We're choosing blue because blue is bad, and people who don't know any better might make a bad decision unless we protect them by also making a bad decision, essentially.This seems to be the fundamental assumption behind the Blue argument.Ideally everyone figures out that - if you hand them a magic gun that will only fire a bullet in their skull if not enough people press the trigger, the reasonable choice is obviously to not fire the gun at all - but then you have to assume some people will do it either accidentally or because somehow they believe it's a more rational choice to take the chance, and somehow that means you had to fire the gun to be more moral.
>>84472868>>84472816Alright I'm getting sick of hearing these retarded takes.
>>84472650>How is this still a talking pointIt is still a talking point because nobody is even at risk of dying until someone chooses to push blue retardedly and then puts the responsibility for their own life into your hands when it was never in them to begin with. Blues create the danger. They create the risk. The create the potential for a self-harming outcome. Fuck em, let them get what they get. Let them take the blue pill and reject the idea of a sovereign individual
>>84472877Why announce your exit when nobody even noticed your presence?
I've got another scenario to share, that was made earlier this week. Rather than posting screenshots of the story/prompt and Google's analysis, I'm just going to share a couple of lines I've written - still sexual in nature.>ISTP when a random woman wants to sleep with him, the istp has never been flirted on before and has been single all his life, he's also aromantic and has a perverted mind but never indulges; the woman is physically bold with the ISTP since theyre in a dimly lit public environment>the ISTP is sitting when the woman sits next to him and places a hand on his inner thigh while whispering into his ear that causes him to become aroused; while he is groping for words, she is now groping his shaft>certain personalities would report this as sexual assault but this ISTP doesn't mind but would prefer if this happened in a more discrete location; because of the woman's assertiveness, the ISTP is unable to thoroughly consider whether or not this is a trap>the ISTP takes the woman to a dark alleyway; he pushes her against the brick wall and penetrates her from behind; the sex was aggressive and quick; while the ISTP may not appreciate premature ejaculating, he finds it fitting as a spiteful gesture towards her for being assertive rather than discrete>the ISTP turns the woman around and dryly asks, "Wanna try that one more time?" referring to doing a proper social initiation; the woman looks up at the ISTP with puppy dog eyes and coyly replies, "I've been a bad girl, haven't I?". The ISTP's eyes widen and thinks, "Holy shit...!". He has the woman face the wall, again, as she looks down and bites her lips while smiling in the process; the ISTP lasts longer, this time>the ISTP is satisfied and low on energy - any further coercion for "more" is met with rejecting the woman's requests; the woman eventually gives the ISTP her contact info and walks awayI just have this sex fantasy of being approached by assertive women.
>>84462179Evangelion, Aku no Hana
>>84472909If I don't post the thread will die. 100%. If you post it will die 50%.
>>84472914>certain personalities would report this as sexual assault but this ISTP doesn't mindGood to know. Sure hope that applies to female ISTPs too.Probably still better than watching an IS(F) getting raped(metaphorically in court, but might become literal in jail) multiple times in a row. Claude chose this, I can see why though, who are you going to blame? Cute smol IF(S) who did nothing wrong and was literally shaking in fear at seeing the body? Funny EN(T) who is still helping the defense? The local Se-groid by claiming it was a chimp out? Yeah no, gotta be the Si-groid who barely reacts to anything in the moment, but then plans for a week, and still gets exposed because the defense unironically asked about her hair treatment.
>>84472998>If I don't post the thread will die. 100%. If you post it will die 50%LOL are you trying to shame me into not posting and also hold me emotionally hostage by making me want you to keep posting so the thread lives? What is your play here? I don't care about this thread. Let it die, dude. Blaze it. You have my full support in never posting again, and I'll do my part by ratcheting up the shit posting. With our powers combined, it will die 150%. The math maths
>>84473252>I'll do my part by ratcheting up the shit postingYou won't do it coward. You're all talk. No execution.
>>84473265All right, bet. I've been behind artificially starting multiple thread ruining T vs F World Wars, and there's a not-so-short list of regulars I have ran out of here personally -- former regulars whose anxiety still spikes at the mere thought of my memory years later. DOUBLE BET, broskie
>>84473333>T vs F World WarsHow would a N vs S World War would even look like?Actually, why would they even be fighting at all? For lulz?
>>84473333You have no idea who you are talking to, do you?
>>84473356Not a clue, no. And, more importantly, I honestly couldn't care any less>>84473337100 years ago? Absolute steamroll by the S types and their superior physical violence genes. 100 years from now? Absolute curb stomp by the N types with their AI proliferation and robot anime girl death squads because honestly if you're going to have a robot doing your dirty work then she might as well be cuteWhat would they be fighting over? The victor decides that, naturally. Probably access to anime girl cunny, similar to all wars for the last 100,000 years except this time the cunny upgraded to a superior iteration
>>84473420>if you're going to have a robot doing your dirty work then she might as well be cuteNow we are talking.>Probably access to anime girl cunny, similar to all wars for the last 100,000 years except this time the cunny upgraded to a superior iterationPerfectly understandable.Forget about higher ideals, values, strategic objectives and whatnot. No true blood irrational type is roped in by this stuff. The anime girl cunny, however...
tfw no femme fatale rxy gf
>>84462179Twin Peaks
tfw no femme fatale rxy gf fantasy you reflect on and then identity represents anima and that your desire arises from a lack of genuine love for The Self which if you had had any earlier would have prevented the fantasy and with it the resulting growth
>>84473333>and there's a not-so-short list of regulars I have ran out of here personally --SURE you did. I'm certain you feel that way though.
>>84473420this post was typed by sensoid hands
>>84473504>I'm certain you feel that way though.An err in the first inning. What a shame
>>84473442>The anime girl cunny, however...We all have our weaknesses...:'(
>>84473100I am not sure about female ISTPs, I just want an excuse to fuck women and if that includes involving them trying to assault me, I may be inclined to allow it.
>Let me brag to some strangers about how I used to post here a lot and the one time I was so rude and obnoxious that people stopped responding to me
>>84473835Are you referring to me announcing I haven't been here in a couple of years and started dumping my sex fantasies here? Because that's all I've been doing, here, and not much else. Although, I can happily stop that, since I'm not getting a lot of feedback (why would anyone?).
>>84473333Lil nigdog ain't scared shitfaggots away yahear?Nice quads btw
ENFP's don't even need to be on /r9k/ btw. You can literally join any discord and get people around you. But then you realize you don't have a deep bonding with anyone... "they" probably think you are their best friend, but you still feel empty.At least until you find your infp soul mate.
Why do people have a cringe tendency to attribute their own traits to their type rather than to themselves?It's stupid.
>>84474961IdkConfirmation bias?
>>84473333stop traumatizing people this is why anon put you on the rape list
>>84475099Stop pretending to recognize that nobody.
>>84474103ENxPs don't need to be anywhere, they just come in because they are temporarily interested, bored with regular life/normalfags or at least mildly amused.>>84474961Because MBTI does that, making claims such as Si types being traditional and nostalgic.You can argue Jung did not say these things though, and you would be right. What you can do with his typology is to add perspective relative to the individual, like you could point out how the IS experiences nostalgia in a certain way, with the focus on sensory impressions against how a EF type would do it, with the focus on claiming that old traditional values were more good than modern ones and maybe people got along better.Both can be nostalgic though, here it wouldn't say much about their type until I see how they are doing it specifically.
>>84476589MBTI does not do that. Just read the MBTI manual, it's basically a 1:1 copy of Jung's descriptions. Most everything everyone ""knows about MBTI"" is post-MBTI fanfic that people created in order to affirm their own identities as some special type.
>>84476629If you mean Gifts Differing, I can recognize the attempt to stick to Jung descriptions, but it had some bullshit about Sensoids being slower/figuring worse in IQ tests or school exams because supposedly they waste more time checking and rechecking stuff.iirc it didn't have the Si memes at least.
>>84476711No, I mean the thing I said.
>>84476845Oh ok. I do remember MBTI manual wasn't the one more accurate to Jung tho, that would have been Gifts Differing(more or less, because it fucked up things like the aux functions).
>>84472208>Congrats, now >>84472029 is dead.I don't care, death isn't to be avoided at all costs and there are things far worse than it, non-Fi types just aren't ready for this conversation
>>84477010Modern MBTI memery convincing IxFJs that they are "non-Fi" types and them specifically using this to confirm their type more often than not will never not be funny.Wait until they find out the favored/more differentiated auxiliary function is supposed to pair with the conscious attitude more often than not(i.e. introversion in their case, thus making Fi their closest secondary type)
>>84477039Wait until this guy learns the first thing about typology (it won't ever happen)
>>84477039>>84477111Jung was a retard and a spiritual jew
>>84477111It better not be something dumb like saying that typology is a spook.>>84477121Every tiem.I blame whoever wrote that Fe is basically altruistic and Fi is basically selfish, not always with these specific words, but it keeps carrying that implication.In reality, it's just whether your "sense of value" is shaped and backed up by mainly external or internal factors, and which one is considered a more reliable point of reference a priori. There is a bit more to Feeling as a function in general, since it's also about the dynamic between (Ego-)subject and (either internal or external) object.
It's official. I am an ENTPWhat now?
>>84477215You do the typical Ne-groid move of getting tired of something as soon it's firmly established and change type tomorrow.
>>84477161They'll call you names but they'll never say you're wrong
>>84477264The problem with being right or wrong in this kind of topic about typology is that you need to set a common point of reference. Otherwise nobody is actually getting anywhere.And then you have the dumbfucks who can't read, have 0 capacity to infer context, and somehow miss blatant logical contradictions if they attempt to take everything as if it was completely separated from its context, but that's another story.
>>84477302I don't care, Jung was a faggot
>>84477306Then, at least personally and hypothetically if I held the same belief, I would consider a honest position to not get involved with Jungian typology at all since you are implying what's based on him would be faggotry either way.
>>84475817Mbti manual 4th edition stealable never ever. What kinda DRM they got on that thang? I'm not paying 500 dollars for a pdf
>>84462179Ludwig van Beethoven was an INFP.
>>84477316Even better, get more involved with it while reminding everyone that Jung was a retarded faggot because it makes Jungfags seethe more
>>84477336Understandable attitude, but very misguided in its aim.Why going after all the 5 people who read Jung, when you can make a lot more DSMfags seethe at their pseudo-typological and barely psychological approach to behavior patterns they don't like(or society doesn't like), instead? You must think bigger, anon, or do you prefer to always play on easy mode?
>>84474103>ENFP's don't even need to be on /r9k/ btw. You can literally join any discord and get people around you. But then you realize you don't have a deep bonding with anyone... "they" probably think you are their best friend, but you still feel empty.>At least until you find your infp soul mate.This is so relatable. Im an enfp and when I use discord I'm so popular and I greet them and talk to them and basically pretend like im an idol because it's what I have to do to calm my mind. I have multiple personas that I use for different situations based on which one i think people will like more.My entire psyche is an elaborate network of distortions of the truth that i manipulate to make others into liking me more. If I don't engage in this activity basically every day I start imploding and want to die. I wish I could become a better person and help others in a real way but all I do is sedate people with my words. I use the same manipulation to leech off the people around me while superficially appearing "nice". I try to make up for my obsessive and shameful pathology by actually doing good in other people's lives I interact with but it still doesn't feel like it's enough. Being a compulsive people pleaser just makes me feel disgusted with myself. I come here to post anonymously because i literally dont have freedom anywhere else, I can't get rid of my instincts.https://youtu.be/ZRtdQ81jPUQ?si=Ielv6krZsmJXL37f
>>84477370>Im an enfp and when I use discord I'm so popular and I greet them and talk to them and basically pretend like im an idolNow that explains quite a few things about Ne-groids and what happens when they to lean into Feeling. I'm sure I've observed such a thing not too long ago, but I can't quite tell where.Interesting, and slightly concerning. In your case developing some Thinking might be the solution. >inb4 anon is actually Jungian EF(N)
>>84477402>In your case developing some Thinking might be the solution.How do you do that?
>>84477421It's going to take him some time to get the AI to tell him the answer to that question. Don't hold your breath.
>>84477316>If you don't worship Isaac Newton why are you interested in physicsThe comparison is of course extremely flattering to joong but you get the point. Interests aren't personality cults and there are other figures involved in typology both before and after Jung.
>>84477421Easier said than done, but putting Thinking over Feeling implies you start to separate yourself from the entire concept of what makes your behavior or anyone else more likeable(or unlikeable, or anything resembling a feeling-judgement), and it starts to move into just what makes sense on purely logical basis. You may still acknowledge the first, but don't set it as a criteria for orientation in whatever you are trying to currently do, you let it happen as something you can expect but don't seek to control either way.>>84477447Why would it take any time to prompt an AI compared to thinking about it? One method is obviously faster, so the chance is reduced if the reply takes more time and consideration.Not that you ever thought about anything in your life, but purely for the sake of considering the actual dynamics involved.>>84477477>but you get the pointNot really, or rather, I don't see the connection here other than a personal projection.You can decide to not like Jung or Isaac Newton on a personal level, but if you are discussing their theories, then you are still starting from what they said whether you want it or not. As in, the very second you start talking about "introversion" for instance, you are talking about a concept Jung has defined. If you want to use a completely different definition purely to spite Jung, cool, but not particuarly conductive to anything relevant to his typology then.
>>84477509Explaining the joke would deflate it. Maybe you should re-read what I said.(also you're wrong and not even remotely close.)
>>84477360Because it's my calling to felt every Jungfag pseud
>>84477402>>inb4 anon is actually Jungian EF(N)On a second thought(or returning to the first thought? idk what's more accurate since it would be more correct to say the second thought discarded the first), leaning on this inb4, because honestly it becomes difficult to imagine somebody who is primarly an irrational type (sensation or intuition not relevant here) would say their behavior is mainly, compulsively, instinctually even, driven by what is an auxiliary feeling at best. Even IT makes more sense since one might argue it's the inferior function acting up, however unlikely that sounds.
the worst part of this thread is heartfag pretending to understand jung
We don't need half of the thread being you seething about it, thank
if half the thread is him pretending to understand jung then i can make the other half me complaining about itat least the complaining will improve the quality of the thread
>>84477509Using a different definition isn't just to spite Jung. MBTI introversion, big 5 introversion etc aren't the same thing as Jung's introversion. Same as Einstein's gravity isn't the same as Newton's gravity. You can think everyone who ever said the word introverted is a retarded faggot who got every single definition wrong and still see the value of Type based personality systems and/or the concept that some people are more inward focussed than others. Whatever that means to you, the spiteful thing would be not using the word "introverted" just because Jung did it first.
Do you think one day we'll make it to mbti step 2?
>>84477760>Using a different definition isn't just to spite Jung.Ok but,> MBTI introversionIs supposed to be directly derived from Jung's. I don't say this, they do. So you are allowed to correct them when they aren't doing it properly. If they didn't want to do use him to create their entire system, then they shouldn't have done so.You can do like Enneagram, it's just a different thing where you don't have fixed extraverts/introverts or thinking/feeling/sensation/intuition types, though you can draw some correlations and say that some pairings are more likely than others in respect to Jungian typology, but inherently it's not the same thing.>big5 introversionDon't even know if they are sticking to Jung here to be fair, their extraversion scale seems to be more generic "how outward you are". Will have to research them better to see if they are trying to reference certain specific prior psychological concepts and that happened to include Jungian extraversion(as opposed to really redefining it as something else).>Same as Einstein's gravity isn't the same as Newton's gravity.But gravity is still the very same concept.>the spiteful thing would be not using the word "introverted" just because Jung did it first.The word isn't really the issue here.MBTI claims to be Jungian typology, or rather an evolution of it, but to quote that Jap guy, it would be more accurate to call it "pseudo-Jungian" since it's actually taking it out-of-context, removing important concepts(basically the entire Jungian system that should be putting types in a certain perspective as opposed to making them just exist as, idk, behavioral models? character archetypes? natural predispositions towards certain jobs? they are all reaching one way or another), and twisting the terms beyond recognition.
>>84477777That would require a more concentrated effort from the local theoryfags to bring up discussions relevant to it, but first of all there aren't too many anons interested in theory here, and the ones that stayed moved back to Jung, me included, so I wouldn't be able to contribute much either way.
>>84468349>I don't really find feeling doms with sensation or intuition auxes to be that different from one another and while thinking might be a bit more abstract vs not it is still odd.Wanted to answer to this but I forgot. Yes agreed, and this matches how the auxiliary functions were originally conceived as a minor conflict, not to mention a type can just raise both auxiliaries in consciousness and it essentially becomes a preference or something that adapts to the situation(or opposite way around, they can be both barely above the inferior function).In these fancy circle pictures, there was a source saying that they represent a FULLY developed type(a thinking one in this case), and here you see no difference on the level of Sensation and Intuition. This type will obviously have more in common with another T dom type, no matter if he's also S or N.It's one of these things "lost in translation", if I want to be extremely generous to modern faggotry.
>>84477777>mbti step 2?no clue what that is
>>84479277MBTI but with expanded subdichotomies.
>>84479299 ICIRQCRCTOLRQCToCPEScE Sigma malengmi
>>84479539lmao imagine having to write a type like that.Kinda funny how MBTI technically went in the direction of over complicating it, while in the original you don't even have 16 types in the first place, it was 8 and for a good reason, and they could be written in 2 letters.
>>84479299Might as well...>E-I dichotomiesYou could nitpick, like saying that an extravert can be contained easily especially if they are a thinking type - but largely no objection to those.>S-NLol. Lmao even.No seriously, where to do I even begin? Faster to just say they are mostly wrong and leave it at that.>T-FThe problem with this one is misunderstanding Feeling as agreeableness, in a nutshell.A Feeling type is not necessarily agreeable, not even an extraverted one.>J-PNothing I can really compare with, since J-P is an original dimension and doesn't actually match rational-irrational.
Too much discussion, not enough drama. Someone start something. I'm too lazy this time
>>84480094Fuck it, type Yui.Not the character herself, but I will say that the infamous quote is most definitely, and absolutely Extraverted Sensation
>>84480135I said DRAMA, Anon...
>>84480218And I said FUCK IT.
>>84479583That's what happens when your goal shifts from trying to find something out about the world to selling 100 dollar tests and 500 dollar pdf files. Joong might have been trying to bury his neuroses in fancy words and mystical bullshit but at least he wasn't doing it cynically
>>84480245Joong did nothing wrong, except being a shitty writer to be very desu with you senpaitachi
>>84480135The character herself is at the very least an extraverted perception type. The quote though is of course a problem since it's a value judgement and therefore a result of a judging function and so meaningless without knowing the context of the character or why it was said. If yui was a toddler that just said this randomly it would be different from her just being a retard asked to explain her actions and having to dig deep down into her psyche to justify her dominant fixation.
Jung was just trying to sell books
>>84480285Her type aside, I went with that typing for the quote because it basically stated itself matter-of-factly.If she went for "fun things make people happy" then I would have said that yea, that's a value judgement in a sense, since she would have told us why we have to value fun things, but is it stands she did not add anything not immediately contained in the "fun things".I got another too lmao
Jung must have regretted his life near the end, and wished he would have spent it rizzing up lonely wives in therapy just like Freud instead
>>84480271His only purpose was to Goywash psychoanalysis. Ended up mistakenly thinking he was a real intellectual when he took Freud telling him his traumatic brain injury schizo ramblings were insightful. Like a monkey with a typewriter actually believing he's as good as Shakespeare.
>>84480360Imagine how easy it must be. All you have to do is validate whatever nonsense the woman is saying and then she's putty in your hands. Just give her the thing her husband isn't giving her at home and then you can have your way. I should have been a psychologist, God damn
>>84480363But individuation is anti-goy...>>84480370I like how he unironically goes "I didn't notice she fell in love with me" in one of the seminars, about a medium girl who at some point started cheating just to see Jung.This guy really playing the stereotypes of his own claimed type, amazing.
>>84480342Id say that was s-t interaction and the first one was s-f interaction if you want to be like that about it. Now that I think about it it depends if you think fun might actually be an N thing since it's an abstract concept. Also two different meanings for fun are used in the first one which makes me wonder what the original Japanese is. Since the first fun is a description of the properties of an activity and the second fun is a description of an emotion. There's probably real words to describe the difference if I knew a thing about the English language, but I barely finished high school.
>>84480342>makes me wonder what the original Japanese is.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3Zx_q8OVcc"tanoshii wa tanoshii dayo", which would be more literally "fun is fun", so it's not any better than what the subs are implying.
>>84480443Was for >>84480396
What is this freud slander? He was never accused of behaving in any way untoward towards any of his patients. By all accounts he was a devoted family man and if anything a bit of a prude when it came to his social life. Joong on the other hand...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabina_Spielrein
>>84480488Virgin Sigmund "wanted to fuck his mom" Freud vs Chad C.G. "inferior Fe but not Se" Jung...
>>84480488Have you forgotten where you are? This thread has always been pro Jung and anti Freud. That said, Freud did the same he just kept it under wraps because he wasn't as honest as Jung. You know he took advantage. Any man in that position would
Women who want to be a psychologist fall into one of two camps:Help othersOr help themselves because they're mentally fucked and maybe they convinced themselves it's about others but really they don't have the awarenessMen also fall into two camps:Those who know they want to take advantage of psychologically vulnerable womenAnd those who don't know that they want that
>However questionable Jung's behaviour was from a moral point of view...somehow it met the prime obligation of the therapist towards his patient: to cure her
Based Jung "curing" lonely, neglected housewives with his dick. The selfless altruism there is truly inspirational
Just had a good intuition about why he inititally typed himself ISTP.....
Imagine the boost to your confidence it must have been to know your dick was so powerful that it had to ability to fix women and heal them of their afflictions. How was Jung so humble?? I wouldn't have been
>jung was a slut>curefag is the sluttiest reggie >is a jungianinteresting...
... but not concerning
... maybe just a little but it won't stop me...
>>84480596Coomer Freud thinks everything is about sex because he never got to fuck his patients, too gentemanly(quot. von Franz).Jung gets to fuck and then goes "eeeh actually sex is nothing special".Perfectly accurate.
>>84480514I know my freud gang is out there. It's much more believable that subsequent psychotherapists would molest their patients since Frued kinda came across the whole, "wtf my patients want to fuck me" thing by accident wheras people like Jong knew this would happen before they got involved in the subject. I'm also pretty sure that Freud was clear that transference wasn't real love and was kind of freaked out by the whole thing.
>>84480600>sluttiestnah that's kris, lilac, sophie, turbie, or turbie enjoyerwe got a lot of sluts but curefag ain't one
>>84480653Tru, I'm saving myself for the IF(N) magical girl
>>84480653Not a one of those people still post.
>>84480645Sounds like r9k kinda huh
>>84480727If there is something I'm certain about, is that if both Jung and Freud were still alive nowadays they would be posting here.I mean --
>>84480647Transference don't gotta to be a real in order to transference this dick to her
>>84480737Would Jesus?
>>84480769Dunno, but maybe God would. Unfortunately, he's dead too according to a certain introverted intuitive/thinker.
If we are all just tiny extensions of God, then when we fuck each other we're really just God masturbating with himself. Therefore, it isn't possible to rape someone because you can't be both consensual and nonconsensual simultaneously. It is a logical impossibility to be both at the same time. Furthermore, rape is not only consensual, but must be approved by God because he's doing it through us. So raping Patchouli's beautiful little body is the right thing to do and has the Divine go-ahead
I get mad at LLM agents, but not at people, because I know LLM agents can be better.>>84477694It's also the only part of the thread, and it's all your fault. Death from shame...>>84470594>Google wanted to kill all of the socially inept?Goodbye retards working at Google!>>84468720Me too.Even if it's raw and sometimes people progress past their stage two.> 84466774For the record, I didn't intend to commit all those rapes.>>84462920>Only means an unconsicous content that found its way into consciousnessTechnically that's anything in the consciousness.>>84461999What "subjective" components?> 84480973(Not) funny. (Not). Shove some of the captcha up your ass. We'll expand it later.
>>84480973Only things that actually exist are approved by God (as proven by them existing), so you have to actually get to it instead of just thinking about it. You need to earn God's approval.
>>84481057worst reg
>>84481085That's also the only reg you're getting! Suck it up, fool.
>>84480973Good thing God isn't real then. Honestly if I thought I was part of G*d is throw up. Explains circumcision really
>>84481085That's why they need their rape therapy. I can fix them
>>84481163In 6 hours 25 minutes 21 second, I need you to stop consenting this time. Thanks!
When the cock strikes midnight
INTJfemboi doesn't need rape correction, he's more the kind of brat to keep returning to the behaviours that got him raped in the first place since he """""secretly"""" enjoys the attention. He needs a loving spoiled relationship, with lots of rape.
>>84480973>It is a logical impossibility to be both at the same timeThat's what makes it a miracle, dumbass.
Patchouli in my bed is the only miracle I need
>>84482000Preferably unwillingly, but I'll take what I can get
>>84462179Neon Genesis Evangelion easily
What's the most enfp media?
>>84482460bocchi the rock originally
>>84482547she isn't enfp.
>>84462179Gormenghast
i want to be cuddle buddies with all the regs
>not as strategically minded or as ruthless as INTJs>Not as sociable or as charismatic as ENTPs>Not as practical and capable as ISTPs>Not as emotionally developed or as creative as INFPsBeing an INTP is pure suffering
lilac plz come back to me to us
>>84480973You are somewhat enlightened. Strangely enough I had the exact same thought yesterday. I did not preempt this..
>>84483766(not the last part)
>>84483198The perfect type to become a homeless suicide.
>>84483766>Incredibly sus rationalizations attempting to justify an act of violence against another human being>Even denying and washing away the instinctual guilt (felt because it's inherently wrong) by saying "it's all right with God, heh, no reason to second guess this">"Enlightened"Anon, please. It being primitive, neanderthal adjacent and unequivocally wrong is what makes it SO HOT. Don't take the taboo away from me. I need this
>>84484234>neanderthal>primitiveI hate retards like you.
>>84484253Too bad deal with it
>be "sophisticated" caveman in Europe, circa 40,000 years ago>use your superior cranial capacity and creativity to finger paint your cave while sitting in your diaper>encounter "primitive" homo sapiens wilding out and acting violent outside>they don't even cover themselves, they use fire as weapons instead of illuminating their artwork >"Muh high IQ will protec me against these brutes">Get naturally selected...Not so smart now were they
>>84482460idk about that, but there is a huge(but smol and cute) ENFP right in your face and she's best girl in her own show.
I will say it though, Kokoron a cute but she has TERRIBLE taste in idols.Seriously, of all singing girls in fancy costumes to become a diehard fan of, she picked the ENFJ basic bitch and one of the worse characters in the entire franchise.I thought ENFPs were supposed to have an eye for the unconventional and hidden potential, tastes that wouldn't align much with common opinions, and it's a meme they hunt for introverts or at least more reserved people.
>>84481057>What "subjective" components?Going to quote it straight:>The second endopsychic function is a more difficult problem. We are now getting into deep waters because here we are coming into darkness.>I will give you the name first: the subjective components of conscious functions. I hope I can make it clear. For instance, when you meet a man you have not seen before, naturally you think something about him. You do not always think things you would be ready to tell him immediately; perhaps you think things that are untrue, that do not really apply.>Clearly, they are subjective reactions. The same reactions take place with things and with situations. Every application of a conscious function, whatever the object might be, is always accompanied by subjective reactions which are more or less inadmissible or unjust or inaccurate. You are painfully aware that these things happen in you, but nobody likes to admit that he is subject to such phenomena. He prefers to leave them in the shadow, because that helps him to assume that he is perfectly innocent and very nice and honest and straightforward and "only too willing" etc.,--you know all these phrases. As a matter of fact, one is not. One has any amount of subjective reactions, but it is not quite becoming to admit these things. These reactions I call the subjective components. So the tl;dr would be something like: purely reactive, unadapted, withheld, repressed contents of the functions.Would be tempted to say that just means introverted and I bet somebody else ITT would have interpreted it that way without question, but that would discredit the entire idea of introversion being merely another mode of adaptation for the psyche, as opposed to a failure in doing so or a purely reactive phenomenon that's not even keeping inner consistency or making any sense purely given its own premises.
>To have overwhelming emotions is not in itself pathological, it is merely undesirable. We need not invent such a word as pathological for an undesirable thing, because there are other undesirable things in the world which are not pathological, for instance, tax-collectors.And now we finally get to the Jung tax fraud arc...Oh well, that applies to invasions since they are unconscious things carrying a certain emotional charge, it's argued that whether you would consider it pathological depends on the context, for instance an artist would not because he just calls it inspiration and serves him well in his job.
>>84482460>What's the most enfp media?Rakugo Shinjuu
>>84461302INTP with an IQ in between 130-140.All my life have been told I'm smart. Smart yes, gifted, not even remotely. I'm smarter 97% of people that walk in the room, some people are closer to chimps, than they are to me, in terms of IQ. However, intelligence doesn't give me motivation, it doesn't provide drive, nor happiness, it doesn't help you find common ground with others. The overthinking, anxiety, and depression, are magnified by your higher understand, especially when you know their are people far smarter than you that make you irrelevant, and people far dumber than you succeeding where you perpetually fail even when doing nothing wrong at all. You show clear signs of possible ADHD and minor autism, that will get ignored most of your life. As clearly someone "gifted" couldn't have those things. The problem with being smart but not a genius level of intellect, is everyone sees you as those who stand far above you in capability. They come to you for answers on everything and anything, knowing you probably know the answers. But when you yourself can't find the answers they in return are useless, and those above you think it a trivial matter, "figure it out yourself". Sociopaths will abuse you, as we are tied up too much in our own minds to see the manipulation and deceit being laid with every action every word. The few friends you will make, won't understand your loyalty, as very few people in the world can keep us from plunging into the abyss of our own minds. I truly wished lacked empathy or morals, enough to be an ENTP, so at least I wouldn't feel this crushing weight of my perceived wasted potential, and use my enginuity for something even if it's ends up being a shell.
>>84484775Perhaps i can contribute something that you might not see from your worldviewYes, you are extremely intelligent. However, you said yourself you have signs of ADHD and autism. Those factors weigh in on your potential as well. You can't think yourself out of every problem in life. Accept that you're a little closer to the middle when you start adding up the other factors of life. Be grateful you have your intelligence, because being adhd/autistic and uninteligent is literally a death sentence. you have the autonomy to do what you want during your life, which is more than most people actually get the self-actualization to understand. Where you are standing now, too, is part of your potential. Instead of focusing on your strengths, try to become more resilient against your weaknesses. A tower only needs to lose one cornerto collapse. You need to build up your foundations around what is already strong to build higher, otherwise it all comes crashing downt. enfp
>>84484775>All my life have been told I'm smart. Smart yes, gifted, not even remotely.Reminds me I've been straight called gifted myself, but I rationalize it as a reaction to being an intuition main who also bothered to differentiate thinking quite a lot and thus can make certain things emerge as perfectly reasonable or can quickly recalibrate to what doesn't sound quite right. That means, from an observer PoV, it wouldn't be always clear from where I'm coming from so one might imagine very high IQ or a much longer chain of thought than what was stated, but in reality it's because a large part of it is not "thought" at all, rather just a mode of perception that many modern people seem to believe to be either completely pointless or straight superintelligence without any real middleground.>However, intelligence doesn't give me motivation, it doesn't provide drive, nor happinessYea well, in Jungian terms what would "move" people is actually Feeling. And when that is your inferior function it does come with certain consequences, though it's more benevolent than you think(as in, you have Feeling, but you don't have it under conscious control, it has to happen to you accidentally or come from the collective).> and people far dumber than you succeeding where you perpetually fail even when doing nothing wrong at allHigher point about "intelligence"(in Thinking terms, not general terms) being extremely overrated, probably a residue from the Enlightenment that doesn't really apply nowadays.>I truly wished lacked empathy or morals, enough to be an ENTPRude, it's all about having just enough conscious Feeling to make peace with yourself and the fact that your actions aren't going to necessarily be considered moral for everyone, or even to yourself at all times, but actually that doesn't matter until you want it to make it matter. Actual Feeling types would do this way better and properly pretend they are actually empathetic at the same time.
>>84482977Why's it infp ?
Two scenarios involving an ENTP entering a room to find an ISTP seated and looking at his phone:Scenario 1 - At A Distance:ENTP: "Hey, wanna watch me eat this bowl of shit?" ISTP, looking up, glances at the bowl and then at the ENTP, while giving a concerned or disgusted expression: "I'd prefer not to."Scenario 2 - Up Close:ENTP, holding the bowl to the ISTP's face: "Wanna watch me eat this bowl of shit?" ISTP, jumping out of the chair: "GET THAT THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME!!!" The ENTP laughs, "Relax, man, it's fake shit!" ISTP pauses and says, "Then why does it smell like shit?" The ENTP grins, "It's been in my ass, duh!" The ISTP is confused and bewildered, "You're fucked up, man."
>>84484775>I truly wished lacked empathy or morals, enough to be an ENTPOh is that why I became an ENTP? I used to be an INTP then something switched inside of me hahaPeople have no idea how much empathy hinders them from living a fulfilling life.
Gotta appreciate the wholesome, goofy relationship between an ISTP and INTP.
>>84461302INTP here.Fuck.That's literally me with a lava lamp adjacent project.I couldn't bear to listen to the pedophile in the yellow shirt, so I didn't.>>84484168Yes.As an INTP, it feels like either you really, really find your groove, or every day is a struggle not to blow your brains out.I have not found my groove.
>>84484893I like how everyone, LLMs included, just agree that the proper way to write an EN is making them funny. With especially ENTP having twisted humor or be completely inappropriate, as a joke.
https://personometry.com/forms/_067_v1_en.htmlSocionics nerds, post results
>>84485108The manner that those statements are phrased keeps me from bothering.
>>84484709>For instance, when you meet a man you have not seen before, naturally you think something about him.I don't.>Clearly, they are subjectiveSo what's a subjective?
>>84485165And I was going to put in the effort in rephrasing these questions, here, but realized there are 250 of these. Fuck that.
Yeah nobody with a life has time for that a shit
>>84485222>So what's a subjective?As per usual with Jung writing, terms can take a different meaning depending on the context(and we all love him for it). In this case I believe it means that they are psychic contents without any validity beyond entirely personal subjectivity, both not related to anything "objective", nor actually adapted to the "subjective factor"(which is not personal subjectivity). I'd argue though, that they would serve as a starting point to eventually understand inner experience as a whole if you engage with them and seek to remove purely personal bias or conditioned reactions. You might end up with nothing at all, or you might end up with touching upon a relatively common inner experience, and I guess the introvert is very scrupulous here while the extravert is quick to dismiss it entirely(only for it to become an unconscious content that wasn't adapted properly yet).Or maybe not, that's how I understand it here anyways.
what's the best mbti test?
>>84485323Introspection(TM)(and also reading Jvng)Kinda like the best antivirus is Common Sense(TM)(and also researching malware and standard security practices)
>>84485323The realization that it's horoscopes with two cups of forer and a pinch of wanting to feel unique without being do
I find it humorous that people still believe one can get their type from a self report test.
I mean, you could. Even by freak accident.
>take self-reporting personality inventory>don't know yourself. Absolutely bomb the test>blame inaccuracies and inconsistency on the theory rather than on yourselfClassic human move desu
>tfw no Patchouli fren to caress you as they walk you through some obscure questionnaire they dug up from a Soviet era database that you take not because you're that interested but because you're in love
>>84485418I took the test and it says I have the personality of the Joker and that seems accurate to me
>>84485330I've never done that before in my life, can you observe me and do the test for me so then I don't fuck it up?
Real shit is when you understand what the theory is implying, then typing(either yourself or others, either real or fictional) becomes more of a formality or instrumental to getting there. Or an inspiration if you feel like a peculiar context involving certain types.>>84485482As the official MBTI webpage puts it, there are no right answersbecause they are all wrong lmao
Realer shit is when you understand enough you no longer need the theory
Does Patchouli play factorio?
Are we just ignoring function stacks, now?
Does Patchouli enjoy nice walks in the park and holding hands until we're in some strangers sightline and then go back to no displays of affection?
Would Patchouli enjoy being made a delicious whole grain chicken sandwich with spinach and ranch and red onions they could enjoy while reading their obscure Soviet era fringe theories while getting their feet massaged?
>>84485585Hopefully.MBTI dichotomies were always more forgivable, they just got a bad rep because people conflate it with 16p(which isn't even MBTI, or Jungian-derived).
And possibly also whilst playing factorio?
Sounds like someone hates compartmentalization.
idk about compartmentalization, but Compa-chan is a rather pleasant girl despite being a complete Fe-groid and doing every single ESFJ stereotype under the sun.How's that even remotely relevant? Well, typing the Neps in 201x was one of the first times I have seen MBTI being used on 4chan. Very strange piece of trivia, I know, but that's how it happened.
I have discovered something. I think a lot of INTPs are in actuality avoidant ENTPsI'm so smart for figuring this out
You can easily extend this to any "introvert" who might actually be an unusual extravert, one way or the other, including being avoidant.And let me add to your conclusion, it was always weird how some people identify through the auxiliary function through stack theories. In retrospect it might be because they have identified their true attitude that was distorted by a certain experience, or they might have misunderstood entirely what extraversion and introversion stand for(e.g. somebody can claim they are INTP because they are not social, but that wouldn't automatically make you less of a MBTI/Jung extravert)
>>84485585Yes because function stacks are complete nonsense.
