Genuine question. A lot of the elements of capitalism just seem like a gateway for Jews and non-jews to act like Jews.
>>84503468Communism and capitalism both exist to enrich jews. It's a false dilemma.
>>84503476>Everything is badOkay...? What do you suppose we do then?
Just read and make up your own mind.
>>84503479Adopt a non-jewish economic model, ideally.
>>84503496Such as what? Feudalism?
>>84503496I don't think rich Jews will take kindly to wealth distribution via communism.
>>84503476>Marx waa a jew so communism serves jewsonly the mind of an american can produce such rich contradictions.
>>84503642>economic system promulgated by a jew serves jewsWhat's the contradiction, and why do you assume I'm American?
>>84503656The contradiction is that communism is literally meant to exist after capitalism is overcome, and the stereotype is that jews are greedy capitalists, so it doesn't make any sense.And Marx was non-practicing, he was only ethnically jewish.And americans have a brain so corrroded by Red Scare and their solipsistic belief that the US is flawless that none of that goes through your mind.
>>84503692Also, everyone who's telling you that socialism is bad. Is either using Socialism or has expected socialism to help them at some point.
>>84503696Socialism in theory isn't bad, but it's an entirely man-made system and thus is nearly impossible to maintain on a large scale
>>84503468For better or worse, capitalism outcompetes all other economic systems. Even China is only nominally communist. If you want to be a ruling superpower you gotta do it.
>>84503712You only think that due to propaganda. Almost every socialist country has failed due to American intervention. There are also more forms of socialism than Marxism. People generally want democratic socialism. Which would easily work here. There's no reason we don't do it by default. Our tax money should do more for us. The people who work at Amazon or McDonald's should benefit more from their billion-dollar profits because they are doing the work.
>>84503468Because nobody pushing for communism actually wants to do the hard work required to have a functional country. They all want to be government officials or have some do nothing meme job. None of them ever talk about how excited they are to be a farmer or miner or construction worker after le glorious revolution.That means the government will use force to make sure those jobs are done and the average person's choice is comply or die, which is exactly what the Soviets did. Of course, the people pushing communism are overeducated midwits so they don't realize this until they get what they want and end up against a wall. Again, intellectuals who agitated and pushed for communism were some of the first to be executed by the Soviets.Do some of these problems also exist under capitalism? Sure, there are still plenty of lazy people who want to have do nothing meme jobs. But the difference is those types of people can't use a capitalist government to force (You) to do hard jobs. If you want to be a NEET in the US, go ahead. If you try being a NEET in a communist country, you're either getting beaten until you work or disappeared to a gulag.On top of all that communist economic beliefs are completely fucktarded because they do not take into account human nature, which is why communists always cry about how capitalists not trading with them/embargoing them destroys their country while capitalists barely even notice if communists won't trade with them. Communism would be perfect if we were a hive mind species that always put the collective above the individual and treated each other equally at all times. Of course, we all know that's not how humans are wired to behave.
Socialism is not bad by itself and can work.The same can't be said about Marxism, it's fundamentally degenerate in its quest of destroying everything sacred in the name of "progress"
>>84503754Never said there aren't good examples of Socialism, I'd consider Nazi Germany to be one of them>You only think that due to propagandaI never mentioned any specific socialist countries failing, only that man-made systems have to be maintained, and that socialism is a particularly complex one.
I read the manifesto and it was funny to me how clearly exploitable this system is, its a dictators wet dream. It was only appealing because people were absurdly poor and desperate, but ultimately its a system that concentrates too much power into the state and in the wrong hands its a nightmare.
>>84503468You should read Capital.
>>84503476Bakuninposting in 2026
>>84503502that's not an economic model. Your opinions now mean nothing to em, because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about in the first place.
>>84503479>>84503496Nothing can be done. We lost the game long ago when people stopped thinking for themselves and started living in fear.Bronze age civilization is where its at. Small communities if you want a government and endless wilderness for those who want to be independent.Zero chance of it happening.
>>84503468>Why is socialism and/or communism bad? because for some reason socialists and communists like to spam bbc and pinkpill threads here
A lot of it is shit. Muh collectivization and famines. Politburo think they are Gods.Sadly, muh democracy and capitalism has also failed, as it succumbed to globalism.Capitalism got ruined for regular folk by open borders and outsourcing to slaves.It's all profiteering for rich cunts now. Nothing trickles down like it did in the 50s and 60s.It's a shame we can't have NatSoc, with a UBI, and Keynes' 15 hour work week.Work was 'supposed' to be automated away eventually; but they made an about face in the 70s.Now it's a race to the bottom, and to feudalism. Even worse since the West got into bed with Red China in 2001.
>>84503642He was literally right though.Not only was marx a jew, marx's communism is heavily funded and promoted by jewish interests.Who do you think keeps putting hios books in peoples hands.
>>84503468it denies one of the simplest economic ideas, supply and demand and thus by denying this model it constructs a flawed perception of human nature that it then uses to base itself upon
>>84503468I actually think it can work well and people dismiss it without knowing anything about itBut I also sorta get it, retards acting like we should bring back ussr and stalin wasn't a terrible dictator are really offputting
>>84506016I mean the book is in the public domain now, not really a point to selling it anymore
>>84503468It's just wishful thinking.
It's dead, the soviet union fell.
>>84506044the european union replaced its functionality
>>84503468Are you willing to give all your money and possession to homeless people until you're all equally poor?The reality is that all people pushing for communism are poor, and just want everyone else's stuff
>>84506062I think its a little more nuanced than that also most old people in Western countries have some kind of social welfare system keeping them afloat (social security). So it goes past just poor people. Im not a commie tho.
>>84506049it's just neo liberal
>>84503468On the other hand, communist countries are always very restrictive and oppressive. Freedom is very important for your quality of life. People need motivation too. Without adequate reward, people just do the bare minimum or try to get away with doing nothing, which definitely happened in China and Russia.
>>84506081I wouldnt engage with what that anon is saying, they seem to be making stuff up. The Soviet Union contrasted the EU in many different ways, they were two completely different systems. Troons have a warped worldview.
>>84506108I don't even know what you would class the EU as system wise it just seems to be an abominable failure filled with corruption
>>84506081neo anything just means jews took over and "revamped" the ideas
>>84506120I've talked to people who call everything communism just admit that's what you are.
>>84503468sounds good, doesn't work. (c) Trump
>>84506127I'm not doing that though, you have to observe similarities in corruption and mangaement."communism" and "capitalism" are two lables applied to create a false dichotomy, for fabian socialists to exploit
>>84506164but even that's just a lable, it's more a fundamental philosophy of underming
>>84503468Democratic socialism is the most base ideology by far. I disagree with the Leninist variant of authoritarian socialism.
>>84503468Communism is too idealistic, and the economic theory is outdated at this point, not to mention corruption is a big concern considering how the government has the absolute power to misuse taxes, that was a major problem in the soviet union for example.
>>84506085>Without adequate reward, people just do the bare minimum or try to get away with doing nothingNot completely true, soviet farmers under stalin who didn't meet their grain quotas got their land seized and were left to starve. In every system (except anarchism possibly) you have to work to survive.Vladimir Lenin - Those who do not work, shall also not eat.
>>84507800>communism is too idealisticmy brother capitalists think a free market will manage itself and that anyone can ascend through hard work, capitalism is more idealistic
>>84503468Marx was a jew himself
>>84507863You can regulate the worst parts of capitalism. You cannot regulate the worst parts of communism.
>>84507902theres many different ways communism can be approached, not just the vanguard (soviet) communism you picture in your head
>>84503468it takes a completely valid criticism of the (((capitalism))) and proposes shit solutions as (((communism))).this is basically how the jews manipulate every world matter
>>84507897yeah but he also renounced his ethnicity and heavily criticized jews. like jews or not, his theory holds up.
>>84507939what solution do you propose? fascism?
>>84507838>Not completely true, soviet farmers under stalin who didn't meet their grain quotas got their land seized and were left to starve.ALL Soviet farmers had their land seized actually. This is what "collectivization" was about. And it was Russian farmers land. in 1914 Russian Empire peasants owned 90% of the arable land, they bought it on free market fair and square paying with their labor, sweat an blood over 1861-1914 period. Then commies just seized that land from them in 1930.
>>84507942Does it though?
>>84503476That's what they want to believe. People still think the American dream and upward mobility aren't fucking dead
>>84507929>theres many different ways communism can be approached,Read Road To Serfdom. Communism is impossible without totalitarian dictatorship.
>>84507800It's currently completely shitting itself. There will be a permanent underclass in a couple of decades.
>>84507863How is capitalism idealistic? It doesn't promise the world propserity. It's not a utopian philosophy like socialism is. All it was created to do was deliever profit to shareholders as it was intended to do. Now compare that to traditional communism has never been achieved because socialist governments keep degenerating into autocracies that never end, and often with half-baked economies that still borrow aspects of capitalism anyways. But Lefties keep saying that someday communism will be achieved if we try one more time. It sounds like a scam.
>>84507964i agree they aren't nearly as viable, but if you want it to work you have to take that risk of creating a dictatorship, since a strong state would be nessecary to redistribute wealth and whatnot
>>84507947i can't propose solutions because i'm not in a position of power to have all the data let alone be able to do anything about it. being on the side of the good, truth and justice, working for unity within your community/nation is most a single person can do. even so, as soon as you gather significant number of people, you would get appropriated by some jewish scheme that would take your vision off on a tangent
>>84507987capitalism promises prosperity in return for hard work (ever heard of the american dream?) which just isn't always the case. in practice capitalism leads to backstabbing and exploitation, even child labor in worst cases. capitalism is built off of the backs of the workers, yet it offer no (or at least not a sufficient) reward for those who hold our society up.
>>84507996i agree that the chances are low, but as a born american citizen i feel a strong sense of duty to liberate my people of their capitalist shackles. even if i die for nothing, i will know that i died trying to make our nation the great one it claims to be.
>>84508010>even child labor in worst cases.Fun fact they don't teach in commie schools: USSR had forced child labor until it's end in 1991...
>corporate monopolies suck so instead everything should be a government monopoly>democracy sucks but every workplace should be a democracy
>>84508010>yet it offer no (or at least not a sufficient) reward for those who hold our society upAnd it isn't mean to, if anything I think its your fault for believing our society's lies. Nobody ever said capitalism was perfect. What you see is what you get. Just a system working exactly as intended - a wealthy few profiting over the backs of the perpetual underclass stuck in the 3rd world. If you live in the west, even you benefit from this system of imperial exploitation, and you quality of life would be significantly worse off without it. Not to say that capitalism is a net positive for humanity, infact much of human suffering now can be attributed to capitalism, but saying that you need anymore by getting rid of the system itself is quite counterproductive. It sounds very entitled actually. If you are american, you are not oppressed, you are already very privlieged at least in material terms.
>>84508141I can tell you didnt actually read marx
>>84508222>you are already very privlieged at least in material terms.not arguing that, obviously i have internet access and whatnot since im typing here, but i want everyone to have the life i have. i live a pretty middle class life, but i believe my middle class life is a human right for all who work. im not trying to get more for myself, im trying to get what is deserved for others.
>>84508262or even watched a watered-down tiktok explaining the basic tenets of communism lol
>>84503468Imagine if your DMV were now in charge of managing the entire economy. That's socialism.
>>84508262You didn't address arguments above.How did you beloved Marx address them huh?
>>84508341Watered down communism: you will work for me, for free.
>>84508277you aren't wrong in wanting more for your people, we should all strive for a society where everyone's needs are met and where no one is abused for their cheap labor. Humanity tried a different route with marxism-leninism, but that didn't turn out so well considering the chronic famines (in 1930 and 1947 for example). So we are stuck with capitalist and mixed economies for now. Social democracy is the closest we can get to egalitarianism without fucking shit up.
>>84508347muh communism is when long lines
>>84508363still proving my point
>>84508413Your point was just debunked.
>>84508405Unironically yes. There is not a single ex-commie country that didn't immediately swing towards capitalism as soon as they broke free of the USSR's loving hugs. The only pro-communist countries are the ones that have never had to live through it.
>>84508425not exactly, people in the ussr had an average caloric intake of 3100 (its true look it up) and dont even get me started on the paris commune
>>84508467>believing Soviet propaganda People in Soveit union rode trains to Moscow to buy meat (sausages) on weekends otherwise they would see any meat at all
>>84508524>believing western propagandaat least try to disprove my point bro, there are declassified cia documents stating soviets ate better than americans
>>84508569>CIA knew about real economic situation in the USSR BTW do you or your beloved Marx and CIA know what residential standart was for Moscow that allowed to expand residency? Let's check your Soviet communism literacy.
It's not bad it's just impossible
