yes but its more fair to hate them for giving birth to begin with

>>84518447
but i love being birthed, not circumcised however

>>84518421
i knew these white guys that would say "skindeed" all the time
anyway ive been debating sending my mom circumcision videos of the babies howling in pain to get her to understand what she's done
And yes your parents are faggots just like mine

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>>84518421
uhhhhh wouldn't you hate the hospital staff that made a malfeasant pitch in favor of it to your parents under the stress of a childbirth instead?

>>84518421
Low-key no. They didn't know any better and made the best choice they could for you.

>>84518495
>>84518479
>>84518492
they refused to apologize

>>84518528
Yeah but I mean they're not totally at fault for it
Why wouldn't you hate the people on the literal end of the knife instead

>>84518540
do you hate your enemies more or your traitors?

>>84518421
you allowed a bunch of trolls and autists to convince you that you will never experience as much sexual pleasure as them. there's no real evidence on this whatsoever other than speculation about nerve endings, but it won't stop people from believing it.

they'll throw a bunch of studies and diagrams at you, but they all rely on the same premises, and those premises rely on a variety of assumptions for which there is no data. no matter what they say, there is no proof your dick is numb unless you're actually botched, and that's very uncommon in first-world countries.

>>84518544
Being asleep at the wheel is not treachery, this is a categorical error on your part, I think the actual people who mutilated you are at fault for mutilating you and scamming your parents

>>84518568
>and those premises rely on a variety of assumptions for which there is no data.
Do I need to empirically prove to you with graphs that if I had my foreskin intact and I got it touched that it would feel good

What are we even doing here

>>84518568
anon the practice itself is immoral
they snip a babies dick while its howling in pain causing trauma and brain damage(proven)
grind the dick into a paste and sell it to the skincare industry(real) and scam parents into believing this is a good thing cuz...your babies dick will be clean ok!
who gives a fuck if sex is better or not look at the fucking premise of circumcision itself we wouldn't do this to females why is it fine to do it to males? because muh sex? are you fucking retarded?

>>84518584
what, are you gonna post that image with the color coding that says the foreskin is extra super duper sensitive? i don't buy it. the colors on the graph for circumcised dicks don't match mine. my sensitive regions are exactly the same as the example with foreskin. my personal experience contradicts every single diagram i've ever been shown on this subject. and beyond that, if i'm sensitive enough that i ejaculate faster than i want to already, then what do i stand to gain from even more sensitivity?

use your own damn brain instead of letting other people think for you.

>>84518608
circumcision is the removal of a vestigial skin flap that frequently gets infected. FGM is generally more akin to just cutting off the head of the penis.

"trauma" you don't remember doesn't matter, and it doesn't cause "brain damage". that's absurd and you're an idiot if you believe that.

no, get over it. it changes nothing because no one is gonna see your peen.

>>84518620
No, I'm not posting any images, I'm just asking you point blank anon-to-anon are you seriously asking me that I would need to empirically prove to you with data that if my healthy normal body was left alone that it would function normally

You said there's no proof that a foreskin feels good, I'm asking you are you being for real

>>84518636
>your trauma is ok because you don't remember brooooo
you can just clean yourself and it is commonly done in non mutt countries. that's if i said "hey bro your ears could get dirty better cut them off so your head stays clean"
Im not even gonna bother trying to get you to understand how traumatizing a baby by sawing away at its penis is.
But please address the fact that this practice is really only done to sell babies foreskins to skin care industries. the fact that 100 babies die a year from failed circumcisions and the fact that we would never condone such a thing with female babies thank you in advance retardnon

I'm glad that shit didn't happen to me. No dick cheese either.

>>84518574
the thing is, my parents still think they are right, i can never look at them the same

>>84518421
I hate that my mom circumcised me at 13 years old, after caughting me masturbating to hentai at the family computer. She specifically asked for the nurses to cut me very thigh.
Now I need lube to masturbate, and prefer to stimulate myself anally...

>>84518653
totally serious. you don't need your appendix either for much the same reasons, but you aren't throwing a fit about that. you're pissy because you think you're getting fewer tingles from your little chode than you would if you're uncut.

i don't buy the premise that the touch nerves in the skin are the pleasure point--i'm certain it's all in the spongeosum, but it's not like you're gonna care what i have to say.

you're certain of what you believe, and you will go on suffering for that, and i am happy that you are suffering, because those who are ignorant and self-obsessed deserve to suffer. i am not suffering, and i will not suffer no matter how much you wish i would.

>>84518671
it's not necessary but i don't believe that it does the harm you claim it does, and i don't believe the evidence you believe it exists actually does based on everything i've seen.

umbilical cords are also sold to the skin care and medical industries, but that doesn't bother you.

>>84518718
We're not asking you to suffer. People are just pointing how useless and barbaric it really is.

>umbilical cords are also sold to the skin care and medical industries, but that doesn't bother you.

Logical fallacy.

>>84518697
Maybe it's user error
Or maybe you're calling them traitors and whatnot to you and have zero understanding of what happened

>>84518718
>you don't need your appendix either for much the same reasons,
This isn't about needing my foreskin it's about the foreskin working properly and feeling sexual pleasure from it
You are telling me that you would need empirical proof with data that the foreskin is erogenous tissue
You know, basically the male clitoral hood

>and i will not suffer no matter how much you wish i would.
I am asking you to suffer a little intellectual honesty here

>>84518718
because snipping the umbilical cord is an actually necessary part of child birth and doesn't alter a babies' body permanently for no real reason
I don't care about the sexual aspect i've been a virgin for the majority of my life but if i was a doctor and i came up to you and said
>Errrm yeah im gonna cut a part of your babies dick off and sell it there's a 0.0012% chance he could die and a 0.5% chance i just slip and fuck it up haha haven't had my coffee this morning kek, he will be howling in pain the entire time too as we strap him in this dystopian contraption. Yeah your baby could just learn basic hygiene and be fine or decide for himself in the future but you know how it is
Would you be like "fuck yeah doc do it" or refuse? inb4 its not that risky, you would risk even a small chance of your baby dying or being fucked up for life because his dick MIGHT get dirty?

>>84518734
people are just sharing their opinions. they aren't stating facts.

>>84518743
i don't believe the foreskin or any of the rest of the dick skin itself is involved in sexual pleasure. i believe the sexual nerves are in the spongeosum based on my experience of touching my dick from the very base to the very tip.

i am not actually convinced it's analogous to the clitoral hood, but even if it was it'd be irrelevant. the part of every clit i've ever touched that was the most sensitive was on the underside. no girl has ever moved me into position to tickle the hood.

i am not engaging in any intellectual dishonesty whatsoever. you just refuse to believe you could possibly be wrong--which is funny because i really do believe everything i've written, and i think the premise that there are millions of men out there who are hysterical about having been circumcised (when they're not actually missing out on anything) is really funny.

>>84518713
Blame yourself for not paying attention to your surroundings anon.

>>84518767
It's not an opinion. Circumcision is a useless practice.

>>84518471
Have you considered asking your mom to unbirth you then rebirth you since you love it so much?

>>84518760
do you really believe 1/10000 boys die in circumcision? in the USA? that would be hundreds, if not thousands, of boys every year. that's absurd and obviously not happening.

the fact that you believe something so absurd (which you obviously just copypasta'd anyway) makes it hard to take anything you said very seriously.

also, you're a virgin, and i'm not. it's not relevant, but you brought it up.

>>84518718
by the way here's a medical publication talking about this
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34973956/
imagine YOUR baby dying alone in a circumcision contraption due to septic shock because
>muh sex
>you won't remember brooooooo
>don't clean your dick and shower bro just snip it bro
i don't know where to start with you anon.
>also, you're a virgin, and i'm not
ok do you want a cookie? i mentioned that because i don't care about the sexual aspect of circumcision but the moral implications anyway read the pubs and learn a thing or two

>>84518784
https://intactamerica.org/newborn-circumcision-linked-to-100-deaths-in-us-each-year

https://www.darboninstitute.org/circumcision_deaths_complications_usa

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/240804903_Lost_Boys_An_Estimate_of_US_Circumcision-Related_Infant_Deaths

We're arguing with a troll. It took me two seconds.

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>>84518767
>i don't believe the foreskin or any of the rest of the dick skin itself is involved in sexual pleasure.
Why? Not yours specifically, but like why objectively?

>i am not engaging in any intellectual dishonesty whatsoever. you just refuse to believe you could possibly be wrong
Okay, say I'm wrong then
Why do normal men seem to like the sensations that come from theirs, what are they even talking about then

>i am not actually convinced it's analogous to the clitoral hood
Speaking literally yeah it's exactly analogous to the clitoral hood, which when turned on, retracts in the same manner

>>84518794
all i'm seeing is a bunch of examples of incompetence and medical malpractice that could have happened from any surgical procedure. i don't see "circumcision" as the cause, and that explains why they aren't being recorded as having been caused by circumcision. a hispanic neighbor of mine's daughter died after she got a brazilian butt lift in a south american country. but she didn't die from getting a BBL. she died from a blood clot due to poor post-surgery care. it would be inaccurate to say she died from a BBL, but i know you won't take any of this as valid reasoning, because you're ideologically driven.

>>84518818
The difference is this surgical procedure is completely pointless so your point is moot.

>>84518818
>because you're ideologically driven
>not to mutilate any potential children i have and possibly cause their death, for no reason other than a failure to teach them basic hygiene and sexual health
>this is illogical because....
>???
Cool, cool cool cool.

>>84518816
>Why? Not yours specifically, but like why objectively?
1. personal analysis of my own penis' behavior and responses
2. because orgasm occurs in the brain and not the penis
3. a neuron who sends a signal through two amplifiers produces more activity than 2 neurons that send a signal through no amplifiers, and our nervous system is full of amplifiers and inhibitors, such that the origination point of a signal doesn't matter as much as the intensity of that signal when it reaches its destination.
4. i don't see guys with foreskins fondling their foreskins when they masturbate--they do it just the same way i do. if the foreskin were so sensitive, why don't they play with it on its own?

>Why do normal men seem to like the sensations that come from theirs, what are they even talking about then
yeah, i mean, what kind of person would go on the internet and spout nonsense? what kind of person would go on the internet and lie? who would do such a thing?

go watch men with foreskins masturbating. why aren't they fondling their foreskins. they move them out of the way and then touch themselves the same way i do. that leads me to believe there's nothing particularly special in there.

>Speaking literally yeah it's exactly analogous to the clitoral hood, which when turned on, retracts in the same manner
whether it is or not is besides the point. the part every girl i've ever touched reacts to is on the underside. if you've never had sex, you wouldn't know this. but you might not be the guy who said he was a virgin. idk who's posting what.

>>84518825
that's just an opinion. a brazilian butt lift is also "pointless" but she clearly believed it had a point

>>84518839
i consider it more of a cosmetic and convenience procedure. i don't think it's medically necessary or anything. i don't think much of it, because if you have a competent doctor than all of this is moot.

>Fuck medical data based years of research that proves sex while uncircumcised is more pleasurable for the man and the woman

>Here's my retarded argument based on my stupid personal anecdote

Yeah, there's no more that can said here.

>>84518863
Difference is she's an adult. We're talking about newborn babies here.

>>84518863
>i consider it more of a cosmetic and convenience procedure
lol, ok traumatize and mutilate your child for "convenience" and "cosmetics". At least you admitted it was a unnecessary procedure which means you actually came a long way from your initial response with me honestly quite respectable for a normie desu

>>84518855
I didn't ask about yours specifically, clearly you have some kind of deviation from the norm, but I'm saying objectively speaking if I hadn't been put under this procedure why would I not experience the same sensations that the rest of the world purports

>4. i don't see guys with foreskins fondling their foreskins when they masturbate
If you masturbate with your own living skin, you would feel the sensation of gliding over your own penis, I bet it feels great

>>84518872
"medical data based years of research that proves sex while uncircumcised is more pleasurable for the man and the woman"

this does not exist. there is no such thing. none.

>>84518877
i do not feel traumatized or mutilated. if you do then that's your problem.

>>84518884
i have no deviation from the norm. you have to believe i must be abnormal in order to press your point.

>if I hadn't been put under this procedure why would I not experience the same sensations that the rest of the world purports
purports? i purport to be god. i am god. i am your god. you have to do everything i say now.

do you understand that oftentimes, people have no idea what the fuck they're talking about? you guys believe i have no idea what the fuck i'm talking about, right? so why is this not possible from your perspective?

>If you masturbate with your own living skin, you would feel the sensation of gliding over your own penis, I bet it feels great
i don't understand what you're talking about because this is already what i do. you think i need lube? why?

>>84518886

>A 2013 study from Ghent University Hospital by Dr. Piet Hoebeke found that circumcised men reported lower penile sensitivity, less intense orgasms, and increased discomfort compared to uncircumcised men. Surveying 1,369 men, researchers linked circumcision to reduced sexual pleasure and concluded that the foreskin plays a significant role in BJU International penile sensitivity.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23374102/

>Women reported they were significantly more likely to have experienced vaginal dryness during intercourse with circumcised than with genitally intact men

https://www.cirp.org/library/sex_function/bensley1/

holy shit i didnt expect my thread to gather this much replies, you americans stink with your mutilation culture

>>84518855
>the part every girl i've ever touched reacts to is on the underside.
The forchette, which is analogous to the frenulum

>>84518906
>i have no deviation from the norm. you have to believe i must be abnormal
Your entire worldview here is touching yourself and then saying that it doesn't match what most people say in graphs and illustration, so from this I take what you say at face value that you are abnormal

>you guys believe i have no idea what the fuck i'm talking about, right?
I think you're well knowledgeable enough about your own dick and your habits of touching it, if you tell me you feel nothing here and everything there, then who am I to disagree with you, you have no reason to lie to me
I think this logically extends to the rest of the world

>i don't understand what you're talking about because this is already what i do
How do you feel the sensation of gliding over your own penis with your penile skin if you're circumcised? Can you read?

>>84518942
It's one guy trolling

>>84518931
these are complete junk "studies". the first one is from an online questionnaire (garbage) and the second one asked 36 women their opinions based on their lifetime sexual history.

if you wanted to test this properly, you would need serious methodology that didn't rely on self-reports. you'd need diagnostic equipment and possibly an fMRI to check brain activity.

>>84518966
the frenulum is the G spot in men according to the latest research

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2520982-surprising-male-g-spot-found-in-most-detailed-study-of-the-penis-yet/

>>84518967
You said none, bud.

>if you wanted to test this properly, you would need serious methodology that didn't rely on self-report

Burden of proof is on you, kid.

>>84518967
You literally relied on your own self-report.

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>>84518969
Right, I was just saying, anatomically speaking, it's the same thing as any other frenulum on the body, but because it's part of the sex organ, naturally, it's going to be an erogenous zone. So the frenulum might be the "male G-spot" but the underside of a woman's vagina is the "female frenulum."

The more you know

Personally, I wish I wasn't circumcised so I would also be able to know the sensations of my ridged band.

>>84518966
>How do you feel the sensation of gliding over your own penis with your penile skin if you're circumcised? Can you read?
because i have plenty of skin to do this with. do you believe it's impossible to do this if you've been circumcised? why do you believe this?

>The forchette, which is analogous to the frenulum
yes--the analogous place on my body--my penis' highest sensitivity is in the exact same location everyone with a foreskin says theirs is. the graphs of supposed sensitivity in circumcised men does not align with my experience. i do not believe i am unique among men. i believe the data being proffered as fact is actually junk, and the people pushing it are driven by emotion, not logic or evidence.

>>84518975
i said none and i was correct, because what you provided is nothing. it would get laughed out of any serious debate with real stakes on the line. of course, this is 4chan.

>>84518988
i provided multiple explanations for why i drew the conclusions i drew but you all ignored most of it. not much else for me to say.

>>84518990
idk what point you're trying to make, but the part on girls that's the most sensitive is the underside of the clit, which corresponds to where the arrow is pointing on that penis. that is also the same location where my circumcised penis is the most sensitive.

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>>84518995
>why do you believe this?
It's not about gripping and pulling up skin from your shaft to hold it near your glans, it's that this is not what is meant by "gliding"

>my penis' highest sensitivity is in the exact same location everyone with a foreskin says theirs is.
Yours is likely intact
Like I said I'm not offering graphs to you, I don't care about data or science, it's just amazing that people can really think that normal functional tissue on the body doesn't do anything and that everyone in the world across all time and place is lying about it

>>84519019
>but the part on girls that's the most sensitive is the underside of the clit,
It would probably be less sensitive if you circumcised the cliteral hood.

>>84519019
>My self report is right but other people's self reports are wrong!

Retarded.

circumcision causes long lastinv trauma that extends to adulthood even if the male does not remember it

https://www.cirp.org/library/psych/goldman1/

>>84519030
i have plenty of skin and it doesn't feel particularly stretched. the skin glides effortlessly over the spongeosum. what else could you possibly mean by "gliding" here?

when i ask my friends they all say that the same location is the most sensitive. did we all magically get special circumcisions or is it possible that you're certain of things you have no reason to be certain of?

>it's just amazing that people can really think that normal functional tissue on the body doesn't do anything
what is your earlobe for? what function is it serving?

>everyone in the world across all time and place is lying about it
i didn't say they're lying. i said they have no idea what they're talking about or they're just misinformed. you're just choosing to believe them. i'm a lot more skeptical.

>It would probably be less sensitive if you circumcised the cliteral hood.
maybe, but i doubt it, since it's not present in the spot they respond to.

>>84519031
i didn't self-report any objective claims. i described how things are for me and why they make me suspicious of what i'm being told. i distrust claims that aren't measurable, and i have good reason to. you're just mad i won't accept "data" at face value.

>>84519040
this article literally does not say what you're saying it says. you didn't even read it.

>>84519019
>that is also the same location where my circumcised penis is the most sensitive.
*the only location where sensitivity even remains

>>84518882
>At least you admitted it was a unnecessary procedure which means you actually came a long way from your initial response with me honestly quite respectable for a normie desu
Normies are the reason that circumcision is trending downward globally, this is not a popular subject especially not with the internet allowing normies to see what it is with their own eyes and hear it explained in plainspeak by someone not in a labcoat

>>84519086
thats because you are an ignorant american who cant read

>>84519093
>*the only location where sensitivity even remains
now you're just talking out of your ass because you're mad i won't concede the point

>>84519100
i can read just fine. the article does not say what you're claiming it said. now you're lying because you didn't read it and i caught you. if you went through the whole thing you could not quote a section that says what you said, because the long-term section is talking about men who contacted "circumcision resource centers" and whined about their supposed inability to feel as many genital tingles as they wish they could feel.

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>>84519071
>the skin glides effortlessly over the spongeosum.
Does it glide over the glans though
>what else could you possibly mean by "gliding" here?
The tactile sensation of feeling your entire sex organ as it was designed by nature
How do you know what this feels like

>>84519071
>i didn't say they're lying
You kinda are though, if you're right that they feel nothing and they're wrong then that means everyone in the world that hasn't been circumcised is wrong and lying to us that it feels good, out of what you say is them being misinformed

>>84519106
>whined about their supposed inability to feel as many genital tingles as they wish they could feel.
NTA but that's why female genital mutilation is banned, because reductive surgeries on your genitalia reduce their sensory function. Male circumcision bans are proposed on the same logic but they're struck down by human rights groups that say it would be religious discrimination against Jews if they were not allowed to perform reductive surgeries on their infants.

>>84519106
you are a faggotted american troll with a mutilated penis

"Trauma results in dissociation, a separation of the traumatic experience and associated emotional pain from awareness28. Dissociation is a psychological survival response. To preserve a semblance of attachment to the mother, a child who has suffered trauma alters reality and 'forgets' that the trauma ever happened.29. In altering reality, the child is also altered. Based on neurological research, painful experience and trauma in childhood can result in long-term physiological changes in the central nervous system and neurochemical changes30-33. Two brain-imaging studies of adults with histories of child sexual abuse reported a reduced size of the hippocampus, a part of the brain associated with memory, and in a test of verbal short-term memory, adults who had been abused had lower scores34-36."

https://www.cirp.org/library/psych/goldman1/

>>84519139
>it would be religious discrimination against Jews if they were not allowed to perform reductive surgeries on their infants.
which also includes them sucking the babies dick by the way
i also want to add that this same "religion" forms the basis of christianity

>>84519113
>Does it glide over the glans though
yes, and if i pull it all the way up it looks a lot like i have a foreskin. but if i let go of it it goes back to normal.

>The tactile sensation of feeling your entire sex organ as it was designed by nature
i don't care about this and i already explained why regarding the spongeosum versus the skin. to me, loss of the foreskin is like loss of the earlobe. the skin is not sensitive like the spongeosum, and i know this from comparison in the rest of the penis, where there's still no twitch until i put just enough pressure for the spongeosum to detect it.

>You kinda are though, if you're right that they feel nothing and they're wrong then that means everyone in the world that hasn't been circumcised is wrong and lying to us that it feels good, out of what you say is them being misinformed
first off, if you don't believe other people would collectively lie to you, then that's just naive. but that isn't what i'm saying anyway. i'm saying they don't know any better. you're just choosing to believe they do.

those studies were based on self-report. they're meaningless. why isn't there any hard data that was made with actual measurement equipment? nobody should need to resort to self-reports for something that's objectively true or false.

>>84519143
you are actually stupid--far stupider than the other guy i'm talking to. none of that is relevant to any of this, and you can't quote anything in there that backs up what you claimed it said originally.

>>84519139
FGM is banned because what they're doing is equivalent to cutting off the head of the penis, if not also some or all of the shaft. this is an absurd comparison.

>>84519168
teeth make good scissors. probably better than stone tools thousands of years ago.

>>84519178
>i don't care about this
Right, exactly, there's no way you could know what it feels like, but since we both know that they're erogenous sex tissue, wouldn't it make sense that it feels good?

>to me, loss of the foreskin is like loss of the earlobe.
Okay well to the rest of the world the loss of the foreskin would be like the loss of the foreskin.

>>84519195
>what they're doing is equivalent to cutting off the head of the penis
The female genitals, circumcised or not, functions normally for giving birth and pissing, so it's really not the equivalent to chopping up the penis, it's just chopping up the most erogenous parts of both to reduce sensitivity

wtf americans can be this retarded...!!
i know you fags are retarded but this..!

>>84518942
The jews which defile the internet every day have entire JIDF staff with dragnet bots that troll the internet every single day, every hour of every day, simply to lie, pilpul, and antagonize any topic, thread, or thought anywhere which questions the practice of circumcision.
Even when parents explicitly say they do not want it done, hospitals have time and time again, over many decades, tried and succeeded to perform the procedure on the sly against the wishes of the mother and father. This is because the medical profession in the USA is run by jews.

It is done only to harm people out of pure sadism. This sort of intransigent, recalcitrant behavior by jews and their servants on this topic has been going on since the days of the Roman Empire.
Circumcision is objectively a completely useless practice which is done primarily to cause harm, to profit from the harvested human tissue, to expose the entire male gender to traumatic psychological conditioning by inflicting agonizing pain and mutilation on them within their first moments of life, and to maliciously mutilate people whom by their own jewish beliefs they simply do not consider human beings, per their own dogma.

And most fundamentally of all, to be circumcised is, by their beliefs and rules, is to mark the one it is inflicted on as a slave.
This was done to me, along with most of my peers of the same age. I will never forgive my mother and father for thoughtlessly allowing it to happen, and upon realizing what was done and the ramifications of this barbaric practice - I vowed that the jewish people and their godless, faithless, cursed, evil tribe is an enemy of mine, forever.

>>84519218
i am telling you that i believe the skin itself is not erogenous tissue, and the erogenous nerves are all embedded in the spongeosum. i'm not sure how i could prove or deny this to anyone, and i haven't looked for studies on this specifically, but this is one of my reasons for not caring about the foreskin the way so many of you do.

and there you go again repeating that the foreskin is the most erogenous part of the penis as if it's just settled fact. there's no evidentiary basis for this claim. none. i've looked. i've asked so many people in these threads to provide some. but everything turns out to be garbage upon closer inspection. i get nonsense like those self-report "studies" or a diagram that isn't even accurate to my own dick (so either my dick is special or the diagram is bullshit). i keep engaging in hopes of finding new information. but i never get new information.

>>84519250
>i am telling you that i believe the skin itself is not erogenous tissue,
Okay, we'll agree not to be pedantic and just call it "part of my body that feels good when it's touched"

1. Why would it not feel good to touch the sex organ?

2. If #1 even has an answer, then why is everyone on earth who says it feels good to touch the sex organ lying at the same time and all about the same thing?

You keep bringing up these 'studies' and whatnot, just speak some sense. You should be able to give plainspoken and legitimate concrete answers for those two questions, otherwise, you are taking the piss

>(so either my dick is special
Your dicks seem very special and unique by how you talk about it, including the dicks of your friends when you have dick erogenous zone surveys

>>84519249
Beautifully said.

The Jewish people used to sacrifice babies to please Molech (the god of pure evil.)

They would later downgrade it to just sacrificing infant boy foreskins, another sick and twisted practice.

Nowadays, instead of worshipping Molech, they worship money. Abortion clinics sell the fetal remains for profit, in fact there was a doctor caught stockpiling them in his home (it's a real news story if you search for it.)

Hospitals also resell foreskins for $800 each to medical/cosmetic testing companies. Circumcision is genuinely a multi-million dollar profit industry.

Foreskins get sold for profit. Fetuses get sold for profit. The Jews have always worshipped Molech, the most sick and twisted god to ever exist, but the current incarnation of Molech is profit.

This is why the love of money is truly the root of all evil. Mutilated infant boys, and murdered babies. Millions of them, all sacrificed to Molech by the Jews.

>>84519273
no, specificity actually matters here. i do not believe the skin on the penis is actually erogenous tissue. i have already explained why.

>1. Why would it not feel good to touch the sex organ?

if the nerve endings everyone is always talking about aren't erogenous nerve endings, then they have nothing to do with the sexual pleasure response.

>2. If #1 even has an answer, then why is everyone on earth who says it feels good to touch the sex organ lying at the same time and all about the same thing?

because we require extreme specificity to even confirm we're talking about the same thing. a guy who has to press through his foreskin to put pressure on his frenulum will tell you he's touching his foreskin. but if the foreskin isn't where the erogenous nerves are, then this would be a miscommunication about what's actually happening. i'm not saying anyone is lying. i already said that.

>>84519329
>[entire rest of the world]
>this thing of mine feels good
>(You)
>um actually no it doesn't feel good because it doesn't contain erogenous nerve endings sexual pleasure response

So you can't give an answer in plainspeak without reverting to being a pedant

>>84519250
hi i think you should actually kys, jew fag, nobody likes your mutilated shtick

>>84519375
my girlfriend does

>>84519343
nothing i said was pedantry. all of it was substantial. you're calling me a pedant to waive away the substance because you cannot address the substance of what i said.

i don't care what people say. i care what can be measured with diagnostics. the whole world used to think the world was flat. measurements proved it wasn't.

>>84519394
>nothing i said was pedantry.
I thought that you would be able to give plainspoken and legitimate concrete answers for those two questions. You could not. Therefore, you are probably taking the piss

>my foreskin feels good
>I don't care; that statement has no substance; the earth isn't flat
You sound like you've lost your mind

>>84518574
All right, all right, fuck the kikes then, gee.

>Removing the clit is the same as removing the head of a penis

This has the dumbest thing I've ever heard. >>84519249 has to be right

>>84519436
>if the nerve endings everyone is always talking about aren't erogenous nerve endings, then they have nothing to do with the sexual pleasure response.

if you don't understand why this is relevant than there's nothing more for me to say. you're ruling my arguments off-limits without addressing them substantially.

>>84519456
explain how it's wrong then. you would know, right?

>>84519249
Good lad, good post, good luck in your quest.

I'm not gonna try to explain something so simple to a retarded Jew shill. And you're not getting anymore (you)s' from me.

>Removing the clit is the same as removing the head of a penis

This retard actually believes this. Everyone, point and laugh.

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>>84519459
>if you don't understand why this is relevant than there's nothing more for me to say
You have nothing to say in plain english anyway

I'm not having some a priori debate with you with arguments or whatnot, I'm speaking anon-to-anon plainly

>>84519492
that's a google AI overview, so if you want to press this point, link the studies that make this claim directly.

i'll bet you that they're simply claiming all nerve endings in the penis are automatically "erogenous" which is what i'm not at all convinced of based on touching my own penis in various ways from tip to base.

>>84519471
you keep repeating yourself without explaining how i'm wrong

>>84519510
Yeah this is why I don't use pedantic vocabulary
How am I going to open up my body and say "this is a nerve ending"

No, I'm going to listen to someone who wasn't cut at birth tell me what it feels like to have a foreskin

>>84519510
He keeps repeating himself because without the head, the man wouldn't even be able to have sex you absolute retard. His penis would not even function correctly.

A woman without a clit would still be able to birth kids and have sex normally. Explain your way around this now or you're a troll.

>>84519519
there you go again, ruling everything i said off-limits, because it's "pedantic" or whatever. just another cop-out.

i'll copy and paste what i wrote once before:

"you're certain of what you believe, and you will go on suffering for that, and i am happy that you are suffering, because those who are ignorant and self-obsessed deserve to suffer. i am not suffering, and i will not suffer no matter how much you wish i would."

>>84519527
>He keeps repeating himself because without the head, the man wouldn't even be able to have sex you absolute retard. His penis would not even function correctly.
we're talking about sexual pleasure. this has nothing to do with the question of whether or not having a foreskin actually results in greater sexual pleasure. this is the *only* thing anyone really cares about here, and i'm not interested in you pretending that you actually care about women's opinions on foreskins.

>>84518421
i will never migrate to USA

>>84519539
If you're him and not a guy that accidentally replied to me, this is irrelevant.

Prove a man can still have sex without a head or you're retarded.

>>84519558
i don't know what you're talking about. i never said a guy can have sex without the head. i'm ignoring his point about "function" because none of you lying little weasels give a damn about the "function" of the foreskin.

all of you who are so butthurt that you got circumcised are upset because you think you've been cheated out of the 100% possible sexual pleasure you can experience in life.

>>84519534
Being intellectually honest is suffering for you so you will indeed never suffer

Just say in plain english why I shouldn't trust someone who wasn't cut at birth telling me what it feels like to have a foreskin, but I should trust you

By plain english I mean...plain english vocabulary and not scientific jargon. The substance of this discussion is that this is a plain interaction between two laymen and not a scientific debate.

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>>84518421
Yes. It's natural to not like Jews.

>>84519596
this is an argument about physiology. if i can't explain why i don't believe the foreskin is necessary to maximizing sexual pleasure then there's nothing for me to say--you're just engaging in dogmatism by ruling certain lines of reasoning off the table. you might as well tell me i can't question the narratives we were given about covid because we're just laymen. i disagree. you're not stupid. i know you can understand what i'm saying.

additionally, you can try this on your own body to understand what i'm talking about. take your penis skin and pull it away from the shaft. anywhere from the tip to the base. see if it's erogenous on its own. then compare it to even the tiniest amount of pressure on the spongeosum.

>>84519590
>i never said a guy can have sex without the head
>Literally stated that removing the clit is the same as removing the head of a penis

The rest of your post is just ad hominem and bad faith diversion.

>>84519657
>this is an argument
This is two anons yapping on 4chubs in the middle of the night

>if i can't explain why i don't believe the foreskin is necessary to maximizing sexual pleasure
How could a reductive surgery on the sex organ maximize anything?

(x3) Just say in plain english why I shouldn't trust someone who wasn't cut at birth telling me what it feels like to have a foreskin, but I should trust you, just give me the plain english explanation I'm begging you

I have seen bad faith online, but rarely to this degree and not that early in the morning.
I award you the oyest of vey.

>>84519678
what are you, some kind of imbecile? read it again:

>i'm ignoring his point about "function" because none of you lying little weasels give a damn about the "function" of the foreskin.
>all of you who are so butthurt that you got circumcised are upset because you think you've been cheated out of the 100% possible sexual pleasure you can experience in life.

what you're blathering about has nothing to do with what me and him are talking about.

>>84519688
>How could a reductive surgery on the sex organ maximize anything?
i didn't say that. i'm saying that i don't believe having a foreskin makes sexual pleasure any more intense than not having one. i believe it's just extra skin that was needed for protection in the distant past but isn't now. since it was used for protection, it would make sense that it isn't erogenous, but don't let my logic get in the way of your certainty.

i never said i know what it feels like to have a foreskin. all i'm doing is refusing to take specific claims about physiology at face-value. and i'm telling you to show the same skepticism. or don't. like i said: i enjoy it when the self-involved and ignorant suffer needlessly.

>>84519729
>i never said i know what it feels like to have a foreskin.
You said that the people with foreskins that say it feels good are wrong or misinformed

(x4) Just say in plain english why I shouldn't trust someone who wasn't cut at birth telling me what it feels like to have a foreskin, but I should trust you

Circumcision is a Goy brand the Jews do to non-Jews as a sign of ownership.

>>84519708
if i was speaking in bad faith do you really think i'd bother typing this much?

>>84519739
i said what they're saying is meaningless in most cases, and yes--wrong or misinformed in others--and i explained why. you ruled my explanation "pedantic" and said i can't use any physiology terms when making my case.

i'll repeat it again because you're (all) still reading it and i want the words to echo in your head(s):

"you're certain of what you believe, and you will go on suffering for that, and i am happy that you are suffering, because those who are ignorant and self-obsessed deserve to suffer. i am not suffering, and i will not suffer no matter how much you wish i would." (x3)

>>84519755
>i said what they're saying is meaningless in most cases
Why is it meaningless and what you're saying not meaningless?
They actually have a foreskin so wouldn't their description of its sensation be the most accurate?
>misinformed
What's misinforming them?
Their foreskin?

Please give actual concrete answers to the questions

>>84519758
>They actually have a foreskin so wouldn't their description of its sensation be the most accurate?
organisms misinterpret their own senses all the time. this wouldn't be any exception, and it's why discussing the physiology matters. if you don't start there then you're wasting your time even discussing this stuff.

>What's misinforming them?
you can put all kinds of ideas in people's heads. you can convince them they're sick when they aren't. rather easily in fact. tell people they're missing out on the greatest sexual pleasure and they're likely to tell you they are in fact missing out, even if it's not happening. the only way we can confirm or deny it is why objective diagnostics.

the only objectively measurable argument i've seen is the nerve endings argument. but i'm not convinced those nerve endings are erogenous based on the reasoning i already provided. if they aren't erogenous, then they're just a skin flap that isn't providing any pleasure, and it would be cosmetically convenient to many people to get rid of it. i wouldn't be surprised if this is what the ancient semites concluded--it wasn't actually providing any sexual pleasure and it was dangerously likely to get infected because of their lack of modern sanitation, so it would be better to remove it. it would make sense that it's not erogenous, because it's meant for protection, and body parts that are meant for protection tend to have no sensation or less sensation.

>>84519826
>organisms misinterpret their own senses all the time.
So, that would have to include you.
So if it's everyone's fallible experience, but everyone with a foreskin says it feels good, but your fallible experience says they can't feel good, then it would make more sense to go with everyone's point of view.

>you can put all kinds of ideas in people's heads.
We're not talking about ideas being put in people's head, how is everyone's foreskin misinforming them? The foreskins aren't whispering in their ears. How is someone who thinks his foreskin feels good misinformed? Who misinformed them?

>>84518421
Yes. It is also fair to hate your parents for vaccinating you, giving you any other pharmaceutical drug, smoking in your vicinity, feeding you anything other than animal products and fruit, giving you mercury fillings after destroying your teeth with goyslop/toxins, kicking you out of the house, not leaving any inheritance behind for you, not helping you get a job or learn to drive, and all other forms of life sabotage

>>84519844
to you maybe. i explained why i don't go along with the crowd who agrees with you already. you dismissed my reasoning. nowhere to go from there.

their foreskin isn't misinforming them. their brains and their emotions are. they're telling you they're experiencing sexual pleasure you are not. i explained why i'm not convinced they are. i'm open to the possibility, but i see no evidence they are, and the evidence i've been provided both here and elsewhere is specious for reasons i already laid out.

at this point you're just refusing to engage with what i've already written and then repeating yourself. there's not much for me to work with here.

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>>84519939
If 'organisms misinterpret their own senses all the time' then that includes you, why should you be trusted at all over everyone with a foreskin?

>their foreskin isn't misinforming them. their brains and their emotions are.
Your brain and emotions are misinforming you into thinking they're misinformed.
Like you realize these holes in your sophistry, right? To save the pitiful amount of face in this thread sure, deny it, whatever, but speaking to the part of you that knows what I'm talking about, you know you sound like a muppet if you say the senses are subjective and therefore other people can't be trusted but you can be trusted based on your own subjective senses?

>>84518421
no but I bring it up when we argue

Im europoor so I was saved from this insanity.
Watching porn I always wondered why their dicks looked so weird until I learned of the mutilation ritual.

>>84520023
I wish I was born in Europe

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>>84518421
For rl

>>84518713
do you remember much from how it felt before? was it "better"? I got snipped before I got into my real jacking off years but I was just starting to get into it :/
desu all I remember is that I had really thin cum and I don't remember it feeling insane when I had a foreskin but maybe it's just cause I wasn't really grown up yet. idk
Whenever this topic comes up it does bad things to my brain

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>>84520309
After being snipped my dick hurted for some 3 days, and it was harder getting hard for some weeks. After that I couldn't slide easily and at the same rhythm that I was used to. So my first orgasm post circumcision took a lot longer than what I was used to.
Also my bitch mother told her friends about the incident and they all laugh at my mutilation...

>>84520375
sorry to hear. I mean how is it now are the orgasms worse or is it just harder?
Lots of circumcision grief types say they would have toe-curling full body orgasms before and now it's just like a dick sneeze and it worries me .. it can't be THAT bad right?

>>84518492
No, it's not hard to know ahead of time that circumcision is a thing and to make a decision about it before the birth.

>>84519851
>giving you mercury fillings
Are you a boomer? This is like getting mad at your parents for getting you the wrong horse and carriage.

good thread, i learned why america should collapse, thx

>>84518421
it is perfectly fair. don't let anyone gaslight you into thinking otherwise
these people actively made the choice to mutilate you and then continue to make the choice to this day to gaslight you into not only forgiving them, but into thinking that mutilating you was a good idea. fuck them. these people are vermin.

>>84520787
My brother got silver amalgam fillings in the early 2010s. We live in america too. Kill yourself gen alpha retard

>>84520773
We used to live in a high trust society where parents got fast-talked into doing snipdick by doctors for the jews sick ritualistic goyslave marking as well as the cosmetic industry harvesting

Worse than being cut is being buck broken by it and arguing in favor of circumcision like the kikes itt

>>84522616
This. I skipped over all the posts from kikes. Only someone evil or retarded could think sexual torture and permanent disfigurement of male babies is beneficial or harmless.

>>84520773
>Hey mr. and mrs. anon, out of the interest for your baby --- congrats on the healthy boy with nothing wrong with him btw --- would you consider a minimally invasive procedure to protect him from penile cancer? If you don't he'll be at great risk of penile cancer and if we do it now it's likely he'll just sleep through it.
>Cool, cool, you made the right choice, now just sign here and we'll get your baby out to you in about 15 minutes

>No, it's not hard to know ahead of time that circumcision is a thing and to make a decision about it before the birth.
It actually is immensely hard because nobody normal thinks about cutting off parts of a newborn or even considers it an option.
It would be like if you gave birth to a baby in some other country, and then the doctor hit you with some insane shit that you've never heard of.
All of the circumcision info now basically only exists as a warning to parents that it will happen. You didn't get this 20 years ago, you got a pamphlet written by Brian Morris, a circumcision fetishist, about the benefits of circumcision full of jargonism that you wouldn't understand as a layman.

>>84520429
>Lots of circumcision grief types say they would have toe-curling full body orgasms
i'm snipped and have these. how is that possible? explain.

>>84520375
i'm not hearing anything about how extra super duper sensitive your foreskin was. you're just bitching about it sliding over the shaft. i have no issues sliding over my shaft. maybe your dick is just inferior to mine.

>>84523817
desu I'm circumcised tightly and I don't have the ability to roll the skin over the shaft. maybe that's the key. My answer to "how is that possible" is that not all circumcisions are the same and some people get luckier
People who do foreskin restoration also say they have better orgasms when they can reach that gliding stage so