>>84535278
i think its good. People should stop having babies, cause its evil

>>84535278
I agree with it but I'm a selfish cow and still want to have a kid anyway.

>>84535278
I am Antinatalist.

>>84535278
Unhappy people should definitely not have children. That I agree with. Unhealthy unhappy people should remove themselves from the gene pool.

>>84535278
pretty good idea for losers, outcasts, and generally useless trash because they would probably abuse they kids. it's a silly idea for most though, especially if you have to brainwash people to believe in the feminist "suffering" meme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RC9uLm9hC0

>>84535278
It's an incredibly shilled and forced reddit meme, but I think it's an anon's niche interest on this board. As long as it's not gay porn spam I don't really mind anymore

seems like some gay shit for reddit troons, their nonpassing hon body, dilation pains and repeat infections make them want to kill themselves so they want to drag everyone down with them in a neurotic tantrum, but it's not going to stop niggers and muslims multiplying exponentially is it, the whole thing is retarded and pointless

I'll cling to the belief life is ultimately good even if it is difficult at times, like Frodo and Samwise Gamgee and shit, fuck you

>>84535278
I agree with most of their points, but I don't really care about where humanity goes as long as it doesn't negatively affect me, I don't care if people have children or not, and I'm of the opinion they should if they wanted to.
having a say in it feels like it's interfering with the course of a different species than I am

>>84535278
>what do you think of antinatalism?
I partially agree with it, I think dysgenic people should stop having kids.

>>84535278
I think it appeals to gay nihilists and I am absolutely okay with their weak bloodlines coming to an end.

>>84535278
Stupid. If life is so bad just kys

>>84535278
Self induced mental illness very akin to transgenderism
Going against your instincts (food supression, sexual urge supression, supressing the urge to reproduce etc) is a sign that you have unresolved issues (being fat or anorexic and thus developing an eating disorder while trying to fix it) and sometimes unresolveable ones (being ugly or asocial and coping with it by being antinatalist, when you deep down want to have more uglings)

>>84535278
usually just a neurotic overintellectualised expression of a normal drive

if you are suffering, you dont want to have children, because you know their life would suck. and thats probably true. but if you're rich and healthy, they'd probably be ok.

i really dont know why my parents had kids, they were very selfish.

I'm split on the issue because I'm happy and am glad I was born, but I also recognize that I was extremely lucky to not be born in horrific times or conditions. My brother was born with several different issues that fucked his quality of life pretty bad, so its very clear me how thin the line between having a good or bad life can be. Also this world is ruled by very wicked people, its only a matter of time before their wrath hits us as well and I don't like the idea of handing my seed over to them.

On a deeper level I sort of lean toward collective conscious theory, which means this life is just a minor experience, so why be so attached to it? There might be something much better than human we could experience.

>>84535278
Don't really care. I would like to have a family and have kids of my own one day but I won't be upset if other people believe that having their own kids is wrong.
>>84535789
Food suppression has been easy for me this month. Fucking gas prices and me just wanting to lose weight. Like I still eat just not as much and cut out mid night eating when I get home from work.

>>84535278
Feminist brainwashing ploy done to murder innocent babies so they can keep banging chad without consequences.
No normal man believes murdering babies is good.

>>84535278
Pretentious garbage for pseuds

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Its funny that the more intelligent life becomes it starts to look around and decides life isn't worth living.

Zygotes aren't babies. Silly moralizer. >>84536013

based antinatalism thread on mothersday.

>>84535278
anyone who's in favor and isn't yet dead yet is a hypocrite and not to be trusted

>>84537115
>based antinatalism
>hasnt committed suicide yet
useless faggot

>>84535787
>Stupid. If life is so bad just kys
"If life is so terrible, why don't antinatalists just kill themselves?" is always presented like a devastating philosophical checkmate, but it s intellectually closer to unplugging a fire alarm by burning the building down.
Antinatalism is not "All existing life should immediately cease" it argues that creating new sentient beings without consent, knowing they will experience suffering and death, may be ethically indefensible. Those are completely different claims. Telling antinatalists to kys is an argument confuses preventing future harm with retroactively escaping imposed harm. Once someone already exists, theyre biologically wired for survival, emotionally entangled with others, and subject to fear, attachment, uncertainty, and pain.
The existence of self-preservation instincts does not magically justify the initial imposition of existence. That would be like saying: If you oppose being thrown into the ocean, why are you swimming? Because drowning is also bad, genius. The funny part is the response itself is weirdly antinatalist in tone. Someone says: "Life contains unavoidable suffering." And the rebuttal is basically: "Then die." Phenomenal endorsement of the human condition there.

>>84537126
suicide is hard you dumb fuck, are you seriously comparing suicide to not being born at all?

>>84537155
>suicide is hard you dumb fuck
no it's not you massive faggot literally just jump out the window
>>84537141
not reading your word vomit either kys immediately or forever be a hypocrite

>>84537141
>it argues that creating new sentient beings without consent, knowing they will experience suffering and death, may be ethically indefensible. Those are completely different claims. Telling antinatalists to kys is an argument confuses preventing future harm with retroactively escaping imposed harm.
you are reducing life to nothing but suffering and death, not being born is just preventing harm, then claiming that actually no i can't just kill myself because (retard noises) kys immediately like i said

>>84535278
it's a literal jewish death cult.

>>84535278
the mentally ill, the working class, the disabled, and people not able to reproduce naturally should not reproduce. Even then, the human condition is irreparably defective and transhumanism should be the next step in evolution. Antinatalists are fucking idiots who's only solution is to just die. No one is going to do this ultimately, because it's complete waste.

>>84537180
The argument is that suffering, deprivation, illness, grief, aging, and death are *guaranteed* and imposed on someone who never consented to the gamble. Pleasure does not erase the ethical issue of imposing those harms in the first place. And your logic still fails completely. If someone says "It may be wrong to force people into a burning building" you respond "OH YEAH? THEN WHY AREN T YOU RUNNING INTO THE FIRE RIGHT NOW?" Because once you already exist, self-preservation, attachment, fear, biology, and meaning become factors. Continuing to live after being thrown into existence does not logically justify the act of throwing new people into existence. Youre treating survival instinct like a philosophical gotcha when it s literally one of the conditions antinatalism accounts for. Also the fact your rebuttal to maybe suffering matters ethically is just screaming kys over and over is not exactly making existence look majestic and transcendent here.

>>84537220
blah blah blah blah kill yourself immediately

>>84535278
>don't have kids unless you're 100% capable of taking care of them materially
Amusingly a girl who has gone as far as happily but seriously saying she's open to getting married had a father who has the same thinking as me and she agrees with that as well given how the economy is
But money is just money to an extent? Because I'm not just working but getting my money up through others means I really can see a timeline where I have enough that both children won't have to work
That's kind of the only condition under which I want children (plus being able to hire security for them) but even then I'll probably get my genes checked since I don't want to bring someone into this world with some condition that no amount of money can ever undo the effects of

>>84537126
killing myself would make my mom sad.

>>84537220
>Because once you already exist, self-preservation, attachment, fear, biology, and meaning become factors
people kill themselves every day so all of these factors can be overcome.
you're just a jew hypocrite.

>>84537230
i promise you you're such a worthless faggot that it wouldn't. it would also make thousands of other people very happy.

so im assuming that the pronatalists in this thread that hold their philosophy so dear are successful fathers and providers for families, and have practiced what they preached because theyre so insulted that someone might have a differing opinion that they insist that they kill themselves.
oh... wait, theyre worthless incels posting on r9k on mothers day.
damn.

>>84537272
i'm not hearing the sound of your brains being blown out faggot

>life is nothing but pain and suffering
>HOW DARE YOU IMPLY THAT I SHOULD END MY LIFE
jej

>>84537272
>mothers day.
kind of strange to care about a festivity that relates to a person who gave you nothing but pain and suffering, no?

>>84537288
no one truly knows what death is like, it could be worse than now, if it was guaranteed that it's peaceful i would've done it

>>84537338
are you done looking for excuses?
after death there is nothing.

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There's absolutely zero reason to bring children into this world.
The elite are currently preparing for a mass-extinction event. Either through climate change, famine, economic collapse, world war, or whatever else they can think of. Their goal is to replace humans with automation, impoverish the general population so that they cannot sustain themselves, then enjoy a restored planet with far far fewer people than what exists today. The remaining people will live in city states owned and governed by the wealthiest people.
Their goal is to effectively become gods. Without states to govern the world, they will reestablish slavery and eugenics. The non-elite survivors will be toys for them to do with as they please.
If you survive you better pray that you're within the walls of a benevolent leader's archology or fiefdom, as they're going to be a minority.
Knowing that this is the future, there's no justification for breeding. It's even difficult to justify romance. I'm becoming more and more absurdist and hedonistic because of this stark reality.

>>84537341
>j..just trust me bro okay?.....

>>84537350
>i'm just gonna suffer forever because some farmers from 2 millennia ago hallucinated and said there is an afterlife
i would respect you more if you just admitted you're too much of a wimpy faggot to follow your own ideology to its logical conclusion

>>84537369
i didn't say there's an afterlife, no one knows for sure.
>i would respect you more if you just admitted you're too much of a wimpy faggot to follow your own ideology to its logical conclusion
the logical conclusion isn't killing what's already existed retard, is that too hard for you to grasp? even if i kill myself right now that still didn't solve anything because you didn't give reasons for why antinatalism is bad

>>84537404
>the logical conclusion isn't killing what's already existed retard, is that too hard for you to grasp?
if life is nothing but pain and suffering, then why don't you want to end pain and suffering
it is its logical conclusion
you're just too much of a faggot to accept it

>>84537420
family, fear, overthinking what's after death, etc.....
now how preventing future children from this is a bad thing?

>>84537432
you are like an eel
i'm not arguing with you because you keep misrepresenting both what i said and what you previously said
like i said kill yourself immediately

>>84537446
>blah blah kill yourself spam
you lost retard

>>84536264
>Zygotes aren't babies
When do the human rights grow in?

>>84537455
any second you spend not killing yourself is proof i am right and you're wrong.

>>84537460
in planet retard maybe

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>>84537155
>suicide is hard
Do they not have bridges where you're from?

>>84537141
>it argues that creating new sentient beings without consent, knowing they will experience suffering and death, may be ethically indefensible.
It's impossible to obtain consent from something that doesn't exist. Ethics that would prevent life from ever existing if followed consistently are obviously a perverse value system unless you think not living is better than living, in which case you're free to kill yourself to improve your situation.

>>84537205
>the disabled
The *genetically* disabled. Johnny-no-legs who had an unfortunate giant sword accident should be fine.

>>84537220
>Pleasure does not erase the ethical issue of imposing those harms in the first place.
It's not supposed to erase it, it just greatly outweighs it.

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A philosophy for the Nietzschean last man, only a goy would praise such abomination.

>>84537349
>you can't have kids because of my sci fi novel
*yawn*

>>84537404
No one knows for sure if there's a unicorn behind you. Could you check for us?

>>84537432
>lists family as a bad thing
No wonder you're an antinatalist, loser.

>>84537539
i'm saying that it would disturb my family, i'm giving you reasons why i didn't do it, are you retarded?

>>84535278
>we don't know, therefore we should avoid harm.
No. We don't know, therefore we should seek glory.

>>84537220
>Pleasure does not erase the ethical issue of imposing those harms in the first place.
so true, this is why i'm no vax. the pleasure of not living in an iron lung from polio does not erase the ethical issue of imposing a needle into every child's arm.

>>84537581
Why aren't you afraid that the souls that would otherwise become humans instead suffer horribly eternally if they're never incarnated?

>>84535278
I think it's good because other people having less kids means my bloodline has a better long-game shot going into the future. It's also an ideology that can only possibly die out over time as its adherents don't breed

>>84535278
I've yet to hear a coherent antinatalist argument. Feel free to make one.

having a discussion on antinatalism is inherently retarded since whether you're a natalist or antinatalist is entirely a question of temperament and life experience. neither side will ever give an inch, and yet they still believe they will somehow convince each other. its a stupid topic that we've had a bajillion threads about and they all go nowhere. its the glass half full half empty debate all over again

>>84537272
>successful fathers and providers for families
I have gotten at least 3 women pregnant and haven't seen any of the kids in at least 5 years. I'm a pro-natalist, not a pro-simping-for-bitchesalist and I insist you don't confuse these two things

>>84537766
The first noble truth: all life is suffering. Therefore, creating more life is inherently unethical. This is obviously and transparently factual, however I don't care about that and I rawdog women I have zero intention of committing to no matter what happens out of pure sadism. I'm a pro-natalist BECAUSE all life is suffering.

>>84537220
>never consented

Consent has to be assumed at some point, otherwise the concept becomes an inapplicable infinite regress. Consider the following: You ask to suck my balls, to establish if I consent you sucking my balls. You assume consent in doing this - you assume I consent you asking me to suck my balls. There is no way around this - you have to assume consent for something at some point for the concept to matter, unless you live your life as a hermit and eliminate all interaction. Are you currently living as a hermit? You seem to think we consent to reading your retarded nonsense.

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>>84537798
>I have gotten at least 3 women pregnant and haven't seen any of the kids in at least 5 years
brown?

>>84537814
> all life is suffering.
I'll just grant this, because:

>Therefore, creating more life is inherently unethical.

... Is a non-sequitur.

I'd need to also grant you that all suffering is unethical, which I'm not going to do.

>>84537818
White as snow. Strawberry blonde and freckles. I am a spiritual nigger, the romans were right, my people are barbarians

Someone gets paid to spam these threads. Just picture that. Sounds is like a sad life even worse the anons that post here

>>84537829
based suffering appreciator. if causing suffering is fundamentally good in your view, as it is in mine, then you better keep having kids.

>>84537838
>histrionic moron thinks anyone cares enough about his dying incel NEET board to pay for shillcampaigns
this shit always genuinely makes me laugh

>>84537815
notably, you can withdraw your consent to live at essentially any time and simply kys. the exit door is always close at hand. it is quite rare for someone to actually do this.

>>84537772
Internet debates are made to convince spectators, not participants.

>>84537814
>The first noble truth: all life is suffering.
This is silly, orgasms are not suffering.

>>84537838
OP here, this is actually the first time i post about this and i don't post here a lot

>>84537901
yes but my point is that this is different. nobody arrives at antinatalism or natalism by being convinced. its a specific set of circumstances, personal experience and temperamental inclinations that makes someone bend one way or the other. you cant convince a depressive person to be happy, or a happy person to be depressed

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>>84537942
These are philosophical positions, not moods.

>>84537300
>kind of strange to care about a festivity that relates to a person who gave you nothing but pain and suffering, no?

He didn't say he actually cared about it, did he? He just said it's clear the pronatalists here are incels too because they're posting on Mother's Day.

>>84537970
antinatalism is only a philosophical position by merit of being contradictory to the biological drive to reproduce, if even that

>>84537973
>it's clear the pronatalists here are incels too because they're posting on Mother's Day.
My wife is driving us to my parents' house currently.

>>84537992
What the fuck are you talking about? Any belief about what's right and what's wrong is a philosophical position

>>84537973
is mother's day supposed to be some big festivity where you have massive family get togethers and exchange gifts and it takes up the entire day or are you both massive faggots and do you just visit your mother, maybe have a coffee together, then get on with your day?

>>84538079
As an antinatalist I really don't care about Mother's Day desu

>>84538099
what made you think i consented to reading your words you faggot?

>>84537854
one again, killing yourself is not the same as having never existed at all.
once someone is born it becomes a net negative to remove their life prematurely.

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>>84535278
This game looks cool, have you played?
I read that it is a point and click adventure, does it have horror elements?

>>84538177
>This game looks cool, have you played?
yup i've played it a long time ago
>does it have horror elements?
yeah

>>84538177
https://sonoshee.itch.io/critters-for-sale
looks like a cool game

>>84538148
It does not, you just arbitrarily decided that.
Furthermore, your existence is a net negative, so ending it would be a net positive. Therefore, if you ended it right now, it would not be premature, as you sadly already have had time to infect the world with your awfulness.

antinatalism is mostly just a bunch of mad incels seething that other people are having sex and the crux of 90% of antinatalist arguments boil down to "well, I don't like it so you're bad!"
antinatalists should be mocked with the same intensity as anprims

The jews who came up with it should practice what they preach desu