i get along with most women just fine, but it's impossible to get close beyond a certain limit. i think i've been khhv (now just v but it's not enough) for so long that i can't be normal about it and they feel it. i'm gonna get a bunch of "you're not Chad", but i don't think i look that bad, i am certain that i'm at least some girls' type.so how can i possibly will myself into not "scaring the hoes"? i feel immeasurable anger when girls who seem interested, sometimes that i'm even on a second or third date with, still show no signs of wanting sex. to them it's normal, to me it's like being strangled to death, since every new failure strengthens the hypothesis that i'm going to die never having been laid. but i don't suppose they realize that. so i'm not allowed to show it, but then apparently you can't be too passive or she's going to think i'm not interested in sex or something and either she gets bored and moves or she stays and becomes even more impossible to fuck her, so saying nothing isn't going to work either.what the fuck am i supposed to do then? i can't try, i can't NOT try, am i in hell? do i have to just work on pretending to be normal and hope that a sufficiently naive girl comes by to fall for it? is there something inside me that i could heal so that i don't even feel this way anymore?
>>84547191>second or third dateHow long have you known them before the first date?
>>84547219depends, from a year (classmate whom i invited to a date after we graduated) to basically right away (random girl from instagram)
You're not Chad.No seriously, that's all it is. If you feel like you're ever putting in more effort, it's because you are.It doesn't matter what you try, you're an average male in the modern age. You stand out and excel in something or you're more worthless than a feudal peasant despite doing way more and being far more thoughtful.
>>84547266i see normal-ass dudes have decent-looking girlfriends, i don't need your retarded blackpill, i SPECIFICALLY said it's probably not that.
>>84547231Thanks. Was asking since girls tended to know or later find out I was the type of guy who was just fine waiting until marriage to do sexual things, yet their feelings would grow to the point they'd fantasize about me and feel comfortable saying this, sometimes before or during actually dating. All this to say, some girls aren't expecting to be that intimate on just the third date, and even think they might be the ones taking things too fast when months into dating they start having fantasies. Girls who might even feel guilty about having those thoughts. My experience shows some are like that, so maybe that's the case for you. Ultimately, you know these girls better than I do. Are they that type? Maybe you just don't know them well enough to answer that yet.An older girl took me on a boat ride once. Later admitted she want to take me to bed that evening. So yeah some girls end up thinking of moving fast. But a lot are aware of why a guy might want to get to know her well, really trust her, before ending up in a scenario where you might accidentally have a child. Just some stuff for you to think about. In the end, it all depends on getting to know what values the girl you're dating has.
>>84547300that sounds complicated but i suppose that's how it is>taking things too fast when months into datingmaybe i'll kill myself when that happens, that'll show em.thanks anon.
alright, since you said they start bringing it up when they feel comfortable enough, i guess i could do that. maybe subtly drop double entendres here and there too in case they need a hint.
>>84547326Yeah, don't put too much weight on sex. You can be amazing in bed and she'll be disturbed if it seems like you are or have become dull in others areas. Sometimes that does happen: sex enters the picture and every other area suffers and the relationship is lost. It may not even be true but just the perception can hurt a relationship.Every girl who started having thoughts about me long since saw I was the type to laugh at her pervy jokes, talk about sexual questions maturely, but not actually bring that stuff up myself. You ever seen how needy a girl can get for cuddling or fondling? When you light that spark you might be surprised how intense it can be.Are there girls who are super casual about it, calmer about it, sure. But it just goes to show why you gotta get to know the one you're dating. People get dumped and cheated on because they feel a greater connection with someone else, even if the skinship is good. So never underestimate how important it can be to a girl to feel like you see her as a real person and that you're still interacting with her like a real person, rather than just some walking toy. No this is not about being a pushover, always agreeing, always putting your hobbies to the side for her. Balance. And you learn how to fine tune that balance as you get to know her more.>blows up relationship, gets burned by others, comes back apologizingYeah, that can happen. People being irrational and later realizing they took it for granted? Sadly common. So even if things go wrong here don't automatically assume you messed up. Sometimes people throw away good relationships.
>>84547452alright thanks for the effort anon, this really helps.
>>84547569Happy, healthy trails, anon.
