I think I solved the red button blue button debate.
>>84551837I pick the one that allows me to die
>>84551837We decide that we all press red, this way no one die and no one is in danger. You guys are really bad at voting and that explain why everything is shitty now.
>>84552543why would anyone need to pick red if people survive with blue too
>>84552552red people are retarded pieces of shit, trying to gaslight everyone into thinking red is the smart choice when it clearly isn't.even if more people picked red and a every blue person died, you'd be stuck in a world full of selfish retards, blue is the only good answer and if it means you die, then at least you don't live in a world full of murderous retarded contrarian subhumans.
Everywhere this poll was tried, blue won in a landslide, even on multiple massive Xitter polls. 700 million people voting will be under the age of 5. It's pretty obviously easier to coordinate 50%+ of people voting blue than 100% of people voting red. This question is so boring and so obvious if you're not a NEETcel who loves to fantasize about killing people he disagrees with.>>84552596Blue would most certainly win as every poll where it has been tested, blue won.
>>84552596Dumbass you're suicidal for picking blue, guess you're just dumb
>>84552543coordination defeats the point. This only works if there's no contact.
>>84551837>>84552543>>84552552>>84552596>>84552604there's no rational reason for the first person who pressed blue to press blue. only the naive, the retarded, and people with a misplaced sense of compassion and virtue will press blue. red is the logical choice.that being said, i would go against my better judgement and press blue because i know my girlfriend and some of my family wouldif it was smaller scale and i'm doing it in a room with 100 strangers, i'm pressing red every time
>>84552623Or just don't be a dumbass and pick red?
>>84552633Don't talk to anyone else until you read at least one book.
>>84552609if you pick blue you might die, but you're not responsible for other people's death, if you pick red, you're responsible for the death of the blue people if red wins and all just because you wanted to be an edgy, avenged sevenfold "your fucking nightmare" listening, studded belt wearing, harley motorcycle riding retard. i'd rather die than live in a world with a bunch of dumbasses like that.basically most good hearted people would pick blue so if they all die, you're left with edgelords or actual criminals, i'd rather die than live in a world solely populated by trash.red choosers are basically indians, indians don't give a flying fuck about anything or anyone but themselves, that's why their country is a filthy shithole. if you were to get convinced that red was the right choice because "death bad" retardation, you'd end up stuck in a world where everyone thinks like an indian and all civil normal people who picked blue would be dead.red is the obvious right answer if you think of the future beyond the pressing the button. red button pressers are thinking "i don't care about anyone else but myself so i'd pick red" but they're neglecting the fact that the whole world would be filled with people who think that way and that would be the collapse of society as a whole. red is the retards choice.
>>84551837Red is the objectively correct choice
>>84551837this hypothetical question isnt even a fun one
>>84552649Dumbass you're gonna lose
>>84552653>Retard picks blue>DiesWell can't fix stupid (you)
>>84552661I suggest Frog and Toad by Arnold Lobel.
>>84552653>if you pick red, you're responsible for the death of the blue people if red winsyou are a low iq subhuman if you actually believe that. the entity that devised this scenario would be responsible for those deaths
>>84552692no. it would be their fault, but you would still be responsible. you weren't forced to pick red.
>>84552707You weren't forced to pick blue kekI guess all blue retards deserve it for being stupid
>>84552707And you weren't forced to pick blue. I'm not telling you to make the choice that might result in your death as opposed to the choice that will absolutely not result in your death.
>>84552631I would pick blue as the logical choice because I don't see the benefit of risking other people's lives if I pick red.this question is about way more than if YOU live or die, which is where redders always get hung up. They have difficulty thinking outside of themselves.
>>84552631blue voters are mostly liberals, their reasoning is something like "b-but some kids will press blue, dont you care about kids dying?11!!"
>>84552653>red button pressers are thinking "i don't care about anyone else but myself"This debate is almost too perfect of an insight into how dumbasses like you view other people.If anything, people who press Red believe that average person is smart enough to figure the question out and press red.While Blue pressers think everybody else is stupid and immoral, and needed to be herded along to press blue so they can feel victorious and in charge.
>>84552715>>84552718no shit, that's what I'm trying to tell you. the decision is your responsibility.
>>84551837I guess this experiment showed us the part of the population with no survival instinct
>>84552732Sure lil buddy we're here to cuddle your mistakes
>>84552731that's not it and you know it. red voters are obviously more likely to think others are stupid. look at this thread, for gods sake.
I don't feel bad for blue pressers they're digging their own grave, I think they're all suicidal
>>84552543Everybody picking blue and everybody picking red are identical outcomes.
>>84552742You are stupid if you pick blue
>>84552707i would be forced to pick between guaranteed survival and non-guaranteed survival. saving myself or putting my life in the hands of billions of people i've never met. i am not responsible for the button presses other people make, as i have no influence on them whatsoever and know nothing of their thoughtsyou retard>>84552724many bluetards don't seem to understand that we're not a hivemind, and humans have individual experiences, thoughts, and ways of processing logical problems like this. i see points on both sides though>>84552725not sure about most of them. a lot of them are also hyper compassionate christians who can't stand the idea of 'feeling' responsible for other people dying
>>84552762Bit your dumbass will pick blue all alone kek
>>84552764which button would your mom pick?
>>84552773>and know nothing of their thoughtsRed button pickers are autist with no theory of mind
>>84552776Red becuse she isnt retarded
>>84552653>if you pick red you have to deal with survivor's guilt>if you pick blue you have to fucking die>i don't care about anyone but myself so i'd pick redare you stupidis this really how you think i'm thinking with this questionhere's my actual thought process>boy i hope the other morons trapped here pick red too, if not i'm going to feel really guilty about this>it sucks that i'm in this situation to begin with>I am a schizophrenic individual, attempting to mind control you into becoming an Indian.>You will no longer be a civil human being, and you will actually care about your wellbeing instead of being a retard.>I am telepathically manipulating you into becoming Indian. I am telepathically manipulating you into becoming Indian.>(You) are not safe.
>>84552742No, we think YOU are stupid. The whole debate is pretty shit game theory, but its simple enough an average person should figure it out.>>84552776I'm nta but asking that really shows your lack of reading comprehension. the buttons are pressed privately, what my mom would or wouldn't do is irrelevant.
>>84552773>many bluetards don't seem to understand that we're not a hivemind... what?that's EXACTLY why they vote blue. They understand that people have different conditions and concerns and won't all just happily pick red without a second thought.
>>84551837I still don't understand what this is. Will I be able to?
>>84552812are you really this denseyour mom would still exist and vote in this scenario.what is going on with redders? they jump through so many hoops to avoid thinking other people are just as real as themselves
There are 4 types of voters>autist red button pusher with no theory of mind ("everybody will just pick red because it's rational")>eugenicist red button pusher ("stupid and suicidally empathetic blue button pusher deserve death")>stupid blue button pusher ("I got to save people")>empathetic blue button pusher ("I have to save the stupid blue button pusher like my mom")
>>84552841I push blue because it's not my place to decide the fate of others. redders want to play god.
>>84552849So the fourth option.
>>84552830nah, you're good. Only losers argue about pointless scenarios online. Treat yourself to a transformers movie or something.
>>84552833>>84552841>>84552849are you people unable to think that someone could maybe alternate between focusing on themself and focusing on other peopleif (You) are given the option, it is (You) who will either die or liveyou will be given the option to save other people, but at the risk of your own life, or you could just hope everyone isn't stupid enough to hit blue and hit red for the sake of (You)r safetyit is a choice, and picking blue is retarded by defaultthe only reason you'd want to press blue is because other people would be retarded enough to press it, putting your fate in the hands of other peoplepressing red is the following thought process>i want to liveor if you are more inclined to think further>the reason i want to press this button is because i am ready to deal with the survivor's guilt that accompanies it, and i am not suicidal, i am hoping that other people will be smart enough to press the button as well, though i am aware that other people may not be as such, the reason is because if i hit blue, the other people may hit red, which is putting me at a disadvantage for pressing blue in all cases, therefore i must hit red>>84552885it is fun though
>>84552833no, I just refuse to play your game. By asking what someone's mother would do, it's a thinly veiled attempt to guilt trip them. because once again you think people cant think for themselves, and need to be herded to a choice that you deemed morally correct.If people cant figure out this very simple question, then they deserve to leave it up to fate and press blue.
>>84552896So the second option
>>84552885Ok thanks mate I will not bother trying to then. Mght be a waste of time. I've tried but still do not understand.
Op here back to give my answer So the answer is the blue button is the correct oneThink of it like thisA guy is holding your children hostage both will die no matter what you do you're on one side of the doorway and them on thr other if you enter the doorway you will die 100% no matter what you decide to do your children will dieSo do youA stand there and watch Or rush in knowing you will die no matter what to save your kids?
>>84552914>second option requires me to want people to diei don't though>first option requires me to have no theory of mindi have proven i have theory of mindyour model is inaccurate and has assumptions
>>84552929You don't activelly want them to die, but you think that if they do die they deserve it.
The main problem with this whole situation is that it is so vague. We dont know if SUDDENLY these buttons appear or if we know it will come up like governmental elections. In the first case the blue button is the correct choice because young kids will probably choose based on their favorite color. In the second case everyone can be warned to just pick red and then blue is a very easy way to let any and all suicidal people just do it without any judgement or possibility of living through the attempt with disabilities
>>84552947>you think if they do die they deserve iti do not think they deserve it, i simply think i want to live and i think the risk of pressing blue and having everyone live isn't worth the risk of everyone pressing red and the last thing i see is everyone considering me a moronyou can want to live and still have a theory of mind, that's the core issue with your model
>>84552961Inb4 >kids will still pick blueNo they wont. If someone they trust (hopefully a parental figure) says "pick red" they will. Kids arent retarded. They listen when they know the person telling them to do something cares about their wellbeing.
>>84551837Cuckhold chair sit test, it tests if you are willing to risk yourself for retards that make stupid decisions, like voting for stupid shit that make everyones lifes worse.
>>84552980Telling everybody to press bue would be more efficient, because as can be observed in the debate surrounding this question, there will always be a certain split.Getting 51% of people to pick blue is more likely than getting 100% to pick red.>>84552998Even if we are being very generous to the red side and say that 95% of peoplle pick red, 400 millions people dieing at once would certainly make the life of everybody left worst.
>>84552653pointless attempt at moral grandstanding
There is only one button. If over 50% of the world push it, everybody who didn't dies.Would you push it?
so we could all agree on voting red or blue, but since we can't talk to each other, nobody knows the color the other is thinking about. if the majority presses red thinking everyone would press red, then that's everyone agreeing on the same color, which is, to say, you're expecting everyone else to read your mind. if you vote blue, you have a 50% error margin, i don't get why people say you can "decide" on voting something, it's a private vote and you don't know what the other is going to votei'd still vote blue because there's a chance i could die
>>84553016I am suhhesting we offer blue button as a means of euthanasia for people who no longer want to live. Not everyone will live. Not everyone wants to live
>>84553016Imagine being left in a world of red button pressers
>>84551837All the talk about probability is downstream from the real disagreement. The fundemental question is: Are you willing to needlessly gamble your life for the sake of vast masses of strangers you've never met?I'm not.
>>84553028This is a way better question by every metric. Well made. I wouldnt press it, and id expect to die
>>84553016>400 millions people dieing at once would certainly make the life of everybody left worst.Literally no? less people would unironically straight up make everyones lives better.
>>84553051The economy has crashed for far less.
>>84553045I amBecause if the red side winsThat's an entire populace of spiritual baby boomersI'd rather dive head first into an active volcano then live in a world of nothing but then
>>84553064you sounding like everyone in the world is a hard working economy contribuitor and there arent billions of people that only reproduce and consume resources, theres a whole continent like that.
>>84553104what are you talking about? have you ever even been in the outside world? the vast majority of people are working
>>84553038Robin Williams would've appreciated that
>>84553065an interesting thing to talk about would probably be what you'd do if everyone voted blue and you voted redwhat would people do to you then if they knew?
>>84553164redders don't consider this
>>84553065oh, I get it now. you are actually retarded. Moral grandstanding and demanding everyone press blue so you can be the hero is the most spiritually boomer thing you could do
>>84553349how do you get moral grandstanding and hero complex from that?>>84553333quads confirm people will know
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8374040/blue button
>>84553424NICE IP GRABBER ANONYMOUS!! ANYONE WHO PICKS THE BLUE BUTTON... NEVER #GRU UP!! Talk about a Banana Fever!
>>84552904Welp I hope your mom can figure out that question
>>84553164Recognize as the asocial freak normal fags dislike
>>84551837It's funny to me that people think their 1/8.3 billion vote would tip the scales for blue to the extent that they would give themselves about a 50% chance of death.
>>84553996>50% chance>implying it'll be close>or maybe not and you're just saying 50% because there are two buttonsyeah it's funny what people would do to save 50% of all people
>>84552657>what if I asked a different question than the original and owned someone answering blue in that instead
There is no debate. The red button is the rational answer.No one has a duty or obligation to save others from their own consequences.
>>84554070>>84554070If someone had to guessWhich political party do you think this poster supports RepublicanOrDemocrat
>>84552604And most places on earth are failing. It's not a coincidence. Blue voters cause unnecessary societal problems by choosing incorrectly.>700 million people voting will be under the age of 5. That was cope was hamfisted into the question by bluepills scraping for reasons to justify pushing blue. Logically this test would only be given to legal adults of voting age of sound mind and body. 5 year olds don't vote in 1st world societies.
>>84554099Nigger what the fuck does politics have to do with game theory? Are you retarded?
>>84554158Just answer the question originally
>>84554070>No one has a duty or obligation to save others from their own consequences.Sensible argument.>There is no debate. The red button is the rational answer.Why are red pushers like this? There's clearly a dilemma here.
>>84551837If you don't pick red you are a literal retard. But ultimately the choice dose'nt matter since greater than 50% of the population are retards. So blue will always win and be saved.
>>84554052>noooooo you can't just show there could be a fatal consequence to my virtue signaling
>>84552596Blue: might dieRed: won'tEveryone on earth is given the option to jump into a woodchipper or do nothing. If more than 50% of people jump into the woodchipper, the woodchipper is turned off, otherwise, everyone who jumped in gets Fargoed. Do you jump into the woodchipper?
>>84552604>easier to coordinateThat isn't the question. You aren't allowed to coordinate. All you know is that everyone else has been given the same question. >Every poll where it has been teseteOf course everyone will pick blue in an online poll with no consequences. How about in real life, with a squidgames dude having a gun against your head waiting for when the vote is clinched. if you pick blue, there is a solid chance that a bullet is going right through your head. If you pick red, Mr. Squidgames puts down the gun and shakes your hand no matter what everyone else did.
>>84554910That's a good analogy, but nobody's going to jump into a woodchipper. Anybody could press a button labeled "save everyone".Good people would die if red wins. The question is less about logic, and more about where your values lie.
>>84554986and to a certain extent your faith in humanity
Can there be a green button that if pressed by one or more people kills everyone who pressed, presses, or will press blue? There should also be a yellow button that does the same. Heck, all the colors that do the same thing of killing blues. I would press whichever button is closest and isn't blue. It's the only morally correct move because only evil would press blue.
>>84551837>noooooo dont people know game theory and econ 101 and and andIdk why retards cant wrap their minds around people not being exactly like them. Most normalniggers are pressing blue, if just for the thought that its what they should do to be le moral. Redtards seethe while bluecels dont die
>>84555025>only evil would press bluego on lmao
>>84555042Then I guess we can grill and be happy that all the evil people are goneThe fact evil is gone should be enough, you're just being greedy with your go on. Go on, go off, go home, that's it, that's the beauty of it. No more evil means all is good and you are free to live as a human. No more worry about bad people, they all died.
>>84554986Wood chipper is guaranteed death This isn't
>>84552543Babies are voting and dying here. The current world doesn't make enough babies to keep social security running. You're still feeling the effects.
>>84555082I thought the point was to make death sound as scary as it actually is, not change the parametersif guaranteed lethality was intended then idk what that post meant
>>84555090Its funny that retards create scenarios in their head with people without agency and discernment doing the retarded decision to justify their free will retarded decision
>>84555318haha retardscreating an imaginary scenario in their headso dumb
If you only care about your own immediate survival, you will press red.If there's a chance anyone you care about presses blue, only picking blue will save them.If they're children, they won't want people to die, so many of them will press blue instinctively.If you care about families, those groups will more likely press blue to preserve themselves and the society they depend on, so you would press blue to save those.If you believe altruists are valuable to the functioning of society or you dislike selfish people, you will press blue.If you want people to die, you will press red. But if you just want people to die, you don't need to press a colorful button to do that, and the people you dislike the most will probably press red too.The question is, who will put the shopping carts back if red wins?
>>84552543and how do you plan on making sure everyone of 8 billion people presses red?
Everyone moved on from this. Why haven't you? Are you still on about the bear as well.
>>84555612Typical screeching misogynist, hates women so of course he is against women's choice. Are you personally at your own time and cost going to feed and house all the babies, children, and infirm who failed to read simple instructions too?
>>84555987I won't vote because I don't care that much who lives or dies, including me (we all die eventually).But other people do care, so I tried to explain why they may vote that way.
>>84551837I press blue and the chinese and jeets all press red so all humans die and the world is left with jeet china paki hyperrace
>>84551837I push the red button and encourage my friends and family to push the red button and I encourage all the people I hate to push the blue button.Unfortunately, I hate a lot of people, so they all end up living anyways.
>>84551837I pick blue because I would rather insta-die than spend the rest of my life surrounded by sociopathic red-niggers (if they actually outnumber good people).I'm just fucking done with shit people. I fully get why homes that are the furthest away from poor niggers cost so much. Living your life in peace and harmony away from trash human violent retards is worth more than gold.
>>84552631The correct take. The two purposes of pressing blue are bailing out irrational actors and to having a way out to avoid a world in which the people willing to so are outnumbered by sociopaths.
>>84551837You can't solve it because blue people don't understand the concept. They think it is kill everyone button vs save everyone button. When really it is do nothing button vs jump off a bridge and hope someone saves you button. No logic can convince them blue is a retarded choice.
Browns/Blacks/Niggers: red because I survive!! >I WILL FUCK YOUR WHITE GIRLFRIEND! WHILE YOU PRESS BLUE!(some jeet on 4chan unironically said that as if it were a win)White people/Higher levels of thinking: Blue. It's the right thing to do.There's also the smug white chud choosing red, but it's a separate case altogether. They'd most of the time choose blue anyway, even if they say they will press red. This whole test comes down to pic related. We all know what races leave the shopping carts in the parking lot.
>>84557089>away from trash human violent retards is worth more than gold.Aren't homes in rural white areas extremely cheap? There's like 0 murder or violent crime in those counties too.
>>84557089>>84557103>Guy stood there doing nothing = sociopath>Guy stood there holding a knife to their own neck threatening to kill themselves unless half the population also agrees to put a knife against their own neck = empathAmazing logic kek
>>84557229If the voting population was cut down to only include able-minded males, then I could see the argument for pressing red and running an IQ high pass over the entire population. Otherwise, you're basically just letting a bunch of women and children kill themselves.Even still, intelligence doesn't preclude people from being pieces of shit. I would much rather have a method of filtering out people by empathy and or shopping cart return rate
>>84557398Reread what I just wrote and explain how blue is empathetic. Bluetards really imagine they are the one who takes the vote from 49.99 to 50%. They don't actually want to risk anything, they just want to be the savior. They can't process that if they vote blue they are now one of the people who is demanding help.
>>84557453demanding, threatening? In your version, are we all in one room at the same time?
>>84552604yes, pressing blue is herd mentality, this is established. Most people are part of the herd, by definition. You are not smart for following along with the herd and hoping it leads to your salvation.
>>84557453I don't think other people are as stupid as you imagine them to be. You wouldn't consider it empathetic to vote blue despite being intelligent enough to know that, on the individual level, red is the superior choice? The idea behind blue is that among the entire population, inevitably you will have at least 1 irrational actor (to include children) that votes blue, and enough people voting blue is the only way to keep them from effectively committing suicide as a result of their underdeveloped reasoning skills. Do you understand?
>>84551837>white/east asian societyblue button>jeet/african/sudaca societyred button
There's no "debate" I'm just pushing the red button. I don't care what anyone else does.
>>84551837if you pick red you are an indian (selfish blob with no sense of moral duty in civil society). >actually saar it is the logical choice saarAny rationalisation is just coping your way out of being a jeet.
>>84557912Why are irrational people and children allowed to vote?
>>84552596Suicidal empathy is one of the primary drivers of white genocide. We would be better of without you.
>>84558409Woman's suffrage and also the prompt says everyone in the world
I know what button Donald trump would pressAnd I know what button mayor Mamdani would press Im siding with mamdani
>>84558025Now show the women only cars
>>84558025Japan is a highly conservative country. Japan's flag is literally the Red Button.You got it exactly backwards. Red button people want to get rid of people who suck and make the community shitty. Blue people want to be kind and forgiving to shitty people. Look at real life where red judges want to death penalty the serial stabbers and blue judges want to let them out to strike again.In fact, wanting a little less crime and litter in the neighborhood has been called "fascist coded" and being the gateway drug to conservatism and nazism.The red team serves the system at the expense of people. The blue team serves people at the expense of the system, crashes the system, then demands free stuff from pro-system countries.
>>84558804We should vote to change who is allowed to vote the button then. That would solve all the problems. Also a possibility is while counting the votes we just change all the incorrect votes to the correct vote.
>>84557912>you have to vote blue to save children because blue is what dumb kids would chooseAnd bluefags wonder why we think they're retarded
