>>84553447
>Invader Zim picture
Checks out.

sorry you got diddled by your uncle so youre coping through it by not wanting to be a girl anymore, not all dudes are diddlers

>>84553447
No problem with wanting to be a boy. Just agknowledge thst it isnt possible and find things that make you happy. Uf that ends up with you acting like a tomboy no biggie.

>>84553458
What's wrong with that?
>>84553460
I do want to be a girl. But I also want to be a boy. I don't know what's wrong with me. Also funny because my uncle actually is a pedophile

>>84553465
I know it's not possible. I wish it was though. I wish I could switch between the two anytime I wanted to.

>>84553466
There's nothing wrong with it, it's just that Invader Zim and its aesthetics are very popular with mentally ill people. Always have been. My first girlfriend in like 2009 had a GIR hat and that was nearly 10 years after the show's initial run.

>>84553466
Yes we know, some of us have eyeballs and can see the patterns in people. Im 41 and I can damn near predict what people say anymore, theres like 6 basic archetypes anyone under 30 are anymore and nobody deviates even a little, sad fucking shit we live in

Lemme guess, youre asexual too? Eating disorder? Do tell internet strangers about mental disorders you have that nobody ever asked about and nobody besides a CLOSE personal friend needs to know?

>>84553466
>What's wrong with that?
ftm coded

>>84553476
I like it. I find it funny. Do you like it?
>>84553480
No to the asexual thing and the eating disorder thing. I actually used to have a porn addiction.

>>84553492
Is it really? I guess I know other trans people into it

>>84553480
Also, why does it matter if I tell internet strangers about my mental problems? I don't have anyone else to tell

>>84553493
I loved Invader Zim as a kid, but it's too hyperactive for me now. I appreciate it more than I enjoy it. Deeply weird show, hard to believe Jhonen Vasquez was allowed to make it.

>>84553530
It's hyperactivity is what I enjoy. I also just love anything about characters who are kind of like conspiracy theorists. So I love Dib

>>84553581
When I watched it as a kid, I always felt so bad for Dib. I was a high functioning sperg and I can see why other high functioning spergs would identify with him.

>>84553587
He was always my favorite but I felt bad for him too when others didn't believe him.
>>84553447
Anyways back on topic of complaining
I hate my vagina so much I've been neglecting going to the doctor over a health problem I definitely have

>>84553612
I've thought about going to the doctor but I'm too scared of someone seeing me naked

>>84553447
It's ok, you want to hold my penis and see what it's like?

>>84553683
What is it like having a penis? I've always wanted one

>>84553683
>>84553688
Is it fun?

>>84553688
When I see women or interact with them, it gets hard and strains against my underwear and pants. The tip is very sensitive and it feels so good to have my balls caressed

>>84553717
God I wish I had one. I wish I could be a boy

>>84553743
you really don't. being a guy is one big humiliation and suffering ritual, unless you are a top 10% dude. Even a low status woman is living life on easy mode compared to guys.
but yes, having a dick is fun.

>>84553821
nah, that's not being a man,
that's just being a loser on the r9k forum

>>84553821
I feel like being anything else than I am right now would be an upgrade. But I know men don't have it easy and I won't act like they do.
>>84553831
No need for that

I wish I had a penis so a guy could give me a blowjob

>>84553844
As soon as you grow a beard and cut your hair you'll pass as a man to most people, but you'll be a short diminutive weak man with the mannerisms of a woman. Women will want absolutely nothing to do with you and you wont have enough of an interesting personality for other outcast men to engage with you.

>>84553906
No need to be mean. I know I'll never be a man. That's why I'm upset. Plus, I already had my hair short and that was when I pulled the most

>>84553831
...yes, and? I know my failures, but I also know that society is fucked up, everything is being inverted and twisted.
>>84553831
Now I'd be a shitty psychologist, but if I were to guess, would you say these feelings come because you feel powerless?

>>84553922
>would you say these feelings come because you feel powerless?
I'm gonna assume this was for me. But yes. If I were someone else, anyone else, my life would be better. And when I imagine myself as someone else, that someone else is a guy. My irl life sucks

>>84553920
>when i pulled
First of all, you dont pull, you get pulled because you are a woman. Secondly, you got pulled because men saw you as a woman.

>>84554006
I said pulled because women asked me out a lot when I had short hair

>>84553922
>assume this was for me
yes, assuming you're OP/similar. Now again, shitty armchair psychologist, but I think that's the real issue, not actually wanting to be a boy (although it seems you may have sorta figured it out yourself).
Why do you have those feelings? who knows, but disregarding a specific trauma, I'd say the fact that society is in a behavioral sink probably has something to do with it. How do we fix it? hell if I know.
(thank you for coming to my TEDtalk)

>>84553900
This could be the most female brained post ever

>>84553964
shit, clicked on myself, this >>84554028 was meant for you...

>>84554025
Lesbian sexual market is nowhere near the same as dating as a man so you're still incorrect. Your mimicry is so embarrassing. Next you'll be saying "fuck you" and "suck my dick".

>>84554028
I think when I imagine myself I just imagine myself as opposite as I can, so instead of imagining myself as a girl, I imagine myself as a guy. Just to be as opposite as possible
>>84554029
Wow it's almost like I'm a female *shocked face*.
>>84554047
No I won't. Because I'm not upset like you are so I won't go to insults.

>>84554063
Of course you're not upset like i am. You dont have any investment in anything. You're like a child playing noughts and crosses while i lose my 100 chess game of the evening. You literally steal from me in the sexual marketplace and then nag me for being mean.

>>84554113
I'm not nagging you. If anyone is nagging, it's you.

>>84554113
Anyways, I'm not stealing from anyone in the sexual marketplace. I'm a virgin and plan to stay one for a while

>>84554127
Your existence is nagging.

>>84554063
>imagine myself as opposite as I can
This may not be an answer you like, but unironically finding a partner that gives you that baseline sense of normalcy/power by being around them would probably help

>>84554136
Then ignore me
>>84554140
You're right, I don't like that answer. I'm not good at dating, it's too complicated. Plus I'd need to find a boyfriend that's okay with no vaginal sex which I think would be difficult

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>>84553447
Just get over it and transition. Your SMV will drop to zero and you'll lose any and all social support if they find out you were born a female, but that's about it.
t. ftm

>>84554169
I don't understand why everyone keeps bringing up sex. Is that all y'all think about? I can't have sex anyways

>>84553447
do not troon. be proud you are a tomboy. tomboys are the best

>>84554182
I'll tell you why. Because everyone replying to this post knows you have a pussy and they are thinking of having sex with you. For the average robot, you're just a confused woman/potential gf for all they care. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but you won't receive any substantial help with your identity questions. I'll assume you posted about it here because you enjoy receiving attention from real men. Since I am also ftm, I can see through that.

>>84554192
I don't know how to be okay being myself though

>>84554202
No I posted here because when I posted on /lgbt/ they let my thread die without answering anything.

>>84554169
You dont look like your attached image by the way

>>84554215
You don't know that. No need for that

>>84554215
True, but I am fairly good-looking as well
>>84554210
Did you post the exact same thing? Board's dead these days
At the end of the day, transition is a cost-benefit analysis. You will not become a cis man, but you can live ~70-80% as one depending on how well you pass and what you're willing to sacrifice for it

>>84554244
I'll expound on this
If you're a 5'3" something woman, you will never become some tall handsome chad, but that should be obvious. Best you can strive for is successful sperg, or you just throw all of that blackpilled thinking out and live according to your honest nature without worrying about what others think

>>84554244
Not the exact thing but I posted asking for advice on how I was feeling and I got one reply and it wasn't even an answer. I was talking about how I was confused and questioning and couldn't figure it out

>>84554204
you just be. there is nothing wrong with you, just enjoy your interests, find a nice husband who appreciates you, and live happy. you are a female. that will never change. there is nothing you can do about it. so just be happy with it. tomboys are great. I love tomboys.

>>84554255
I'm 5'3 and skinny. I know I won't pass. But when I imagine myself I don't imagine myself taller or buff or anything. I just imagine myself with shorter hair as someone's boyfriend

>>84553447
sorry for squishing your arm flab
*squishes your little arm flab*

>>84554256
What's the most confusing thing for you?

>>84554162
yeah lol sorry, I figured you wouldn't like it, that's why I prefaced it. But that was the "solution" I heard from my (very limited) interaction with someone expressing those same feelings.
>too complicated
you're taking to a guy on r9k. I think we all understand that sentiment

>>84554268
I don't know how to just be. Something's wrong
>>84554274
Keep on keeping on anon. I love seeing your posts
>>84554278
When I see guys doing stuff with other guys. Or stuff like sports. I want to do that but in the way a guy can. I want to be a male athlete. Not the way a girl can
>>84554279
I just always mess up stuff

>>84554302
I know I can't change it, I just wish I didn't feel like this. I'm so jealous men

>>84554302
>I just always mess up stuff
That's just the way things are these days, everyones struggling to achieve normalcy, trying to "just be". Wish I had a better answer than that, but I'm not exactly well-adjusted myself. I just overanalyze things.
>guys doing stuff with guys
It sounds almost like your envious of dudes' camaraderie. which again I think speaks to the breakdown between and among the sexes

>>84554271
That's doable
Just warning you that dating and getting loved is only easy to women. I transitioned and stayed khhv for obvious reasons (most people are not attracted to passing ftms, although they might make an exception if you are above average attractive)
>>84554302
>When I see guys doing stuff with other guys. Or stuff like sports. I want to do that but in the way a guy can. I want to be a male athlete. Not the way a girl can
Yeah you can achieve that, at least as a hobby

>>84554447
I am envious of their camaraderie. Not saying women don't have that, but I'm jealous of the kind men have. I want to be a man and have men friends in the way men can
>>84554452
I know it's only easy for women. I'm not overly interested in dating anyways. I just want to be okay with myself.

>>84554271
>I just imagine myself with shorter hair as someone's boyfriend
Thats just being a fucking woman with short hair

>>84554474
>I want to be a man and have men friends in the way men can
I have kind of bad news for you in that regard. Not saying it's gonna happen to you, but if you were an autistic loner as a woman you're likely going to stay one as a man. I learned this lesson the hard way.
>I just want to be okay with myself.
That's the best reason to transition in general
I can't evaluate you for a billion mental illnesses (nobody can), so I don't want to take any responsibility if you do transition and realize it was a misstep
But it's pretty much impossible for transitioning to be a wrong choice if you're happy with the effects of hrt in general

>>84554507
Keyword being boyfriend.
>>84554512
>if you were an autistic loner as a woman you're likely going to stay one as a man
How did you know I'm autistic?
I think I might just try cutting my hair again

>>84554550
>How did you know I'm autistic?
Common theme
You're only going to get clowned on on this board

>>84554560
I know but I don't know where else to get advice, I don't have any other socials

>>84554550
>keyword being boyfriend
Holy shit you're dense

>>84554575
No you just don't get what I'm saying, and that's okay.

>>84554578
You're right. I dont get what you're saying you dont make any fucking sense. You're gonna cut your hair short and not actually make any effort to look and sound like a man or are you going to take testosterone and grow a beard and cut your tits off?

>>84554567
Maybe ftmgen, even though the quality is subpar now. You could look up DIY, it's no longer a secret really, even tiktok teens are posting about it

>>84554550
I would be real hesitant about the whole transition thing, anonette. You can perfectly fine as "non-conforming" partner for a guy without out fully committing to that bit.
Like I said above, everything is fucked up nowadays, everybody is trying to find a normal that works for them.

>>84554598
If you read the thread you'd know that I said I'm questioning how I feel, not that I'm certain. So why would I jump to extremes immediately? That's retarded. I make sense if you read what I said
>>84554600
Thank you for the advice

>>84554550
because youre all fucking autistic, almost like trans is mental something something but i guess we're not ready for that conversation yet, you didnt verify that a male member of your family diddle the fuck outta you as a kid

>>84554613
Yeah so you're just gonna do what most "ftms" do which is cut your hair short and wear a he/him badge like you think you're a special snowflake. You're not going to go further than that unless you were raped, trust me. Even the most juiced up pooners havent earned being called a man but your kind is on another level of taking the piss.

>>84554608
I will take it slow if I decide to do it.
>>84554616
Wow crazy that someone on here would be autistic right?
>>84554630
No, I'm not gonna ask people to call me he/him. I'm gonna keep it to myself and see how I feel about it

>>84554608
Do you think I could find a boyfriend that would be fine with me sometimes feeling like a boy?

>>84554652
You could date another ftm, but even then, he might not see you as a man. If you go for cis men, they will never see you as one, that's pretty much an illusion. They might go with it to get pussy though

>>84554646
>im a dumb foid and ive been handed everything on a platter my entire life. Im going to get in a lesbian(?) relationship and cut my hair short. Im not going to take testosterone or make myself look like a man and im not going to tell anyone im a man.
Go make "femboy" thrist trap porn for brain dead 3rd worlders that dont notice you dont have a bulge in your pants

>>84554667
I think I would rather date another ftm
>>84554673
Can you read?

>>84554652
at the risk of sounding like the usual lurkers in these threads, yes, I do. most of the women I've been attracted to have been somewhat androgynous, either in appearance, personality, or interests.

>>84554686
Would you actually see me as a boy though?

>>84554684
I only just read that now dont be fucking smarmy with me and the fact that you want a boyfriend only proves my point further.

>>84554690
He won't lol

>>84554704
What point? I don't see a point to any of what you're saying nonny.

>>84554690
Nobody will fucking see you as a man unless you full on troon out and by then it wont matter because you'll be lonely and depressed
>>84554719
Incredible autism or bait either way stop posting

>>84554717
How do you know?
>>84554724
Why would I suddenly fully transition though? That's what I'm saying. Shouldn't I take it small steps at a time? To see if I actually want it?
>Incredible autism
See post >>84554550

>>84554740
>How do you know?
I'm not naive and inexperienced unlike you fren. Try dating someone like that and transitioning on him, the reaction will 100% be negative

>>84554740
You're not going to fully transition retard, ive seen loads of dumbcunts like you say they're "men" and never do anything beyond performatively cut their hair short because they subconsciously realize life is far easier if people think you're a woman.

>>84554746
Yeah I kinda thought so, I was just trying to have hope.
>>84554755
How do you know? Plus, being a woman hasn't helped me so far

>>84553447
>wanting to be a boy
I know girls who like fashion and want to wear fancier clothes because they like those, yet they also enjoy drinks, guitar, gaming, sci-fi, hiking, cave exploring etc.
You don't have to be a boy to enjoy those things with others. Appreciate your unique traits and take care of them, even if you never take them to their peak. Those girls who want to get more into fashion? They didn't become obsessed with make-up. Able to have a child? Doesn't mean you have to.
But think about people who wish they could have their own child yet have no womb. They either accept this or make the effort to cultivate a good marriage with someone who does want children too.
I see transitioning has come up as a far-off possibility but watch this even if you do more research later on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC7EtIeWrPs

Over all though the point is: you can appreciate being a girl and still enjoy many hobbies that are usually associated with guys. Like riding a bike this balance is not learned instantly, but it's very achievable.

>>84554767
>what dis mean? What dat mean?
People like you shouldnt have access to metal cutlery let alone steroids

>>84554775
Not my fault you're not making any sense. And good comeback btw for what I said, really got me there

>>84554773
I'm always impressed by just how dumb you people think trans people are
Do you really believe that we think we're men/women because of some old stereotypes? That's all you. Trans people had those very exciting observations like "You can be a wild tough tomboy and still be a woman!" at age five or so, it's not revolutional unless you're genuinely cognitively impaired (which is what detransition grifters might be)

>>84554690
It may be trite, but I'd see you as a person first. Things like norms don't phase me, and judging by some of your responses above, you wouldn't see yourself 100% a boy even if you transed (unless I misunderstood)
So yeah, I treat you like you would want to be treated, because that's what a partner would do

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>>84554792
Translation: No, I will not see you as a boy. But I will play along for a while as long as I get pussy out of it.

>>84554788
Id say it was an excellent comeback combining your future schrodingers hrt with the fact that you're a niave inexperienced sheltered autist

>>84554789
What is a woman? What is a man?
Trannies and detrooners are two sides of the same dumb coin

>>84554795
This is what ALL relationships anon, congrats, youve figured it out. You think boyfriends and girlfriends are perfect matches for each other? lmao

Just take hrt, retard.

>>84554773
>Over all though the point is: you can appreciate being a girl and still enjoy many hobbies that are usually associated with guys
I know this. I'm not completely dumb. I just want to be a man while doing it.
>>84554789
This.
>>84554792
No I see myself as a woman sometimes and a man sometimes. Never one completely. It changes.
>>84554803
What's wrong with being inexperienced? And no, it wasn't that good
>>84554816
I'm still questioning

God everyone here is retarded, this femrepper needs to grow up and girlmode at least.

>>84554824
>girlmode
What is a girl?

>>84554824
What does any of that even mean

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i have no sympathy for troons and pooners.
at literally any moment, ANY moment of their miserable brainwashed existence they can choose to stop playing pretend and return to the beautiful tomboy they were always meant to be, for nothing except the cost of losing their LGBT victimhood card. but nope, they have to be special, how could they ever give that up? they'd have to develop an actual personality if they're not a troon, they can't let themsleves do that?
fuck off

>>84554840
Thats why i asked her which male member of the family diddled her. They always have one of the same three reasons for swapping genders like its a fucking light switch.

>>84554840
I never asked for your sympathy, thanks for replying though

All this holier than thou tranny faggot intellectualism and they cant even define man or woman

>>84554843
And my answer is no. That never happened. So there, what's the next one? Since it's not the victim card either, since I'm not planning on telling anyone

>>84554795
...no, where did I say that? shit man, I'm just as neurotic and avoidant as everyone else on this board. I just want someone I can feel comfortable with, no matter who it is.
>>84554823
>woman sometimes and a man sometimes
well, that's what I'm saying, that fluctuation would only be important to be insofar it would affect my partner.

>>84554856
So when I felt like a boy, you'd treat me like a boy and when I felt like a girl you'd treat me like a girl?

>>84554803
Also, I thought this was the inexperienced autistic sheltered board, why are you judging me for being like that?

>>84554866
How does one treat you like a boy and how does one treat you like a girl?

>>84553447
What's so great about my gender?

>>84554876
Refer to me as a guy or girl. That's what I mean.

>>84554789
>>84554823
It's not about "dumb". Life has just shown me that sometimes the obvious thoughts have not been considered, or have been forgotten over the years. It's not like OP has enough characters to explain the current mental state and its history in its entirety.
Anyway, I'd say just keep trying to focus your thoughts on appreciating yourself as a girl. These things can take years just like people who are trying to see themselves in as good a light as others do.
But, hey, you're smart enough to know your frame has differences. You won't, for example, start picking fights thinking you're just like any average guy.
It's just that since you mentioned often thinking of yourself doing something you enjoy but as a guy, I believe you have the capacity to turn shift your thinking in time to enjoying it while being happy being a girl. Wherever you go from this limited-time thread, take care and stay safe.

>>84553447
yet you'll never become one

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>>84553447
I'M NOT OKAY *goes to vans warped tour*

>>84554884
What is a guy and what is a girl

>>84553447
lemme guess, youre under 20 and life is 'so hard' you aint even old enough to know what the fuck youre sad about, make it to 30 THEN you START to understand how fucked we all are in the world and we're ALL just coping and doing our best just to get to the next fucking day.

>>84553612
chopping tits off is always the biggest first regret MtFs have so dont even think about it, also that pussy could fund your fucking life if you wanted it to. Stop being a bitch about it.

>>84554883
I just wish I could sometimes be a guy
>>84554893
I'll try, thank you
>>84554896
I know I already said that itt
>>84554906
Is it so bad that I want people to see me as a guy? Also, go ask that somewhere else
>>84554913
You don't know a single thing about my life and yes it is hard. I am 18 though.
>>84554915
Except it can't, because it's broken. Something's wrong with it and I won't go to the doctor for it

>>84554866
I'd like to think that being understanding and treating you the same regardless how you feel on a given day would be sufficient.
(I'm the anon you replied to fyi, but in response to your answer to him, if that's what you mean, then yeah. but I thought you said the whole pronoun thing didn't matter?)

>>84554844
>I never asked for your sympathy, thanks for replying though
"I don't care what you think." wow how brave. but then why you did you begin the thread apologizing to some unidentified person?

>>84554920
Sometimes it does matter, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it feels worse
>>84554923
To get people to respond obviously

>>84554919
Nobody will see you as a man and i will continue to ask you to define man and woman until you admit modern civilization has made these roles redundant and that "manliness" consists of how others perceive you. You dont want to be perceived as a man.

>>84554934
I do though. You don't know me

>>84554938
Im telling your dumb niave ass that you dont. You still havent defined what a man is.

>>84554945
I don't see why I have to? You're not making any sense

>>84554949
Just try i want to see your silly foid brain in action :3

>>84554956
To me a man is an adult male human being. There you go

>>84554969
What is a male?

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>>84554919
I would advise you to stop engaging the retards itt. And don't tell them about your pussy either. If you're interested, we could chat on discord (@unansehnlch). I transitioned two years ago, if you have any questions or want insights.

>>84554978
Okay, I'll take your advice

>>84554978
I could rape you with one hand tied behind my back

>>84554980
wise choice anon

>>84554982
You can add me on discord too! Just don't send weird stuff. I have filters for that.

>>84554980
Enjoy being groomed retard

>>84554932
>Sometimes it does matter, sometimes it doesn't
In what ways? feeling like a boy/girl, or the pronouns in particular?

>>84553492
>ftm coded
We live in a bleak shit hole and we only have ourselves to blame.

>>84554994
You're just mad you won't groom him into being a tomboy girlfriend. sucks to suck, you all have skill issues

>>84555019
Im a virgin and i couldnt care less about women at this point just dont appreciate them pretending to be me

>>84555037
What do you mean pretending to be you?

>>84555037
It is pretty evil when women pretend to be virgins even though they're for the streets.

>>84555054
Yeah this is more prevalent than pooners and far more insulting

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>>84554919
>18
Yeah, definitely keep trying. One of those girls I mentioned earlier actually had a time in her life where she was being told she's tomboyish and people were trying to encourage her to think about transitioning.
Later on she stopped meeting those people, just like many contacts change after high school, or as one's career develops.
She had her own money and much more money, to go out and experience new places and their people, new activities, all of which let her experience over the years that she could enjoy adult life as a girl. Even something as simple as now having way more budget to try out clothes and other aesthetic options that are designed for girls. Mind you, I've talked with her and others in a group setting about why kind of clothes guys look best in.
So experience the world and journey into adulthood as a girl or more like give it more of a chance. Again, you don't have immediate plans to use chemicals or surgeries that are difficult or impossible to do. But if you give yourself the time in this new arc of your life to see how nice life can be as you are, you just might enjoy it enough.
That girl I mentioned earlier? She's 25 now and no longer thinks herself as tomboyish, even wants children of her own. She doesn't take this for granted either or think it's only natural due to being a girl. She believes she has more maturing to do if she's to make a good parent and raise her children well.
I don't assume you do or will want children of your own. It's just better to keep your options open as you enter this stage of life where you're gradually acquiring multiple significant new options, legally becoming to do many things you couldn't before.

>>84553688
its annoying
its hard every morning and it constantly tries to get you into trouble

>>84554919
if you werent playing with toy cars and trucks and roughhousing when you were little youre not a guy

>>84553447
I miss when women would just cut themselves for attention. At least that damage can be healed.

>>84554980
its 2026, you really shouldnt be taking advice from someone who trooned out off the internet.

>>84553743
Do you like when guys jerk off when they talk to you?

>>84553529
>Also, why does it matter if I tell internet strangers about my mental problems? I don't have anyone else to tell
Don't listen to him
I only come to this board to hear the mental problems of people

>>84553480
what are the six archetypes give us details

>>84554915
>chopping tits off
>MtFs

>>84553447
I forgive you ^~^

Oligarchy!!!

>>84553447
Take your testosterone