Do pronatalists not realize how much this world breaks people? Why do you want to bring children into such a wicked place?
>>84567182umm cuz magic book says so. life is a gift or something. muh bloodline
>>84567268fuck my bloodline what has my bloodline done for me?
They want more people to suffer so they can get more money or some shit who knows
>>84567182>using naruto as an image when it explicitly answers this questionWe pass on our hopes and dreams of a better world to the next generation, and try to protect them from the things that hurt us. This is the Will of Fire.
>>84567680I love how all of that got thrown out the window with the whole alien ninja nonsense
>>84567182bro, just spend 20 years at school then 40 years at work every day then we're good. We're not asking THAT much!
>>84567659You will all suffer with me. I will drag you kicking and screaming into this wretched gutter whether you like it or not. You are always free to kill yourselves and leave... but thanks to your survival instinct you never will.
>>84567687naruto up to the pain arc and without filler is unironically top 5 animes of all time. it loses focus because it literally runs on forever but it has some of the best characters of any story out there.
>>84567182this world breaks you if you are a pathetic weak cuck, people like you are the reason thousand year old lineages are halting.
>>84567754all lineages are thousands of years old.your bloodline is probably just a commoner's anyways so it's essentially worthless.
>>84567769>your bloodline is probably just a commoner's anyways so it's essentially worthless.Whats this supposed to prove? Most of the world are commoners.
>>84567769we innately exist solely to reproduce you fucking retard, if you cannot pass on your genes you are a worthless meatbag that only takes up resources of the world for no meaningful reason.
>>84567786>exist solely to reproduce you fucking retardNo, you exist today because your parents reproduced. But this does not give you any obligation. We don't live in a video game with "rules".
>>84567803there are rules of the nature, every organism in the world exist solely to keep species alive and present, refusing to reproduce is a mental illness not something to be proud of.
>>84567837reproducing is a waste of time in modern world just making another slave only the elites can afford it now
>>84567845you wouldn't exist if your father thought the same, with your logic people who survived wars and famines wouldnt have reproduced and we all would be extinct by now
>>84567837>there are rules of the nature"Nature" is not an entity, but a concept.Every organism in the world exist because it was "put there" by it's parents.If you ever go outside and touch grass, you'll see ants, that will never reproduce because they were never "meant" to and physically can't anyway.Many different animals are born infertile, that's just the way it is.You seem to have the mental illness, because your reality is shaped by idea, and not facts.
>>84567782>Whats this supposed to prove? Most of the world are commoners.i'm obviously saying that the lives of individual commoner families are meaningless in the big picture.
look all im saying is that if they dont like it they can just kill themselves. im just giving them a chance. like i think they should at least try
>>84567863most people are just accidents from whores dude it doesnt matter if you breed or not
>>84567865i hope you reread what you posted and realize how retarded you sound, infertility is an anomaly, not the norm. an animal thats infertile is an exception, its lineage will end while the rest of the animals will reproduce and pass on their genes.
>...but I would never ever ever kill myselfantinatalist faggots are oversocialized kikeoids, who use this angle to attack others and make their lives worse. Antinatalism is just aggression for faggots.
>>84567895>i hope you reread what you posted and realize how retarded you sound, infertility is an anomaly, not the norm. an animal thats infertile is an exception, its lineage will end while the rest of the animals will reproduce and pass on their genes.not true at all for eusocial animalswolves, ants, mole ratesit's basically a law that as social complexity goes up the number of individual animals that aren't reproducing goes up
>>84567906if you truly think we are slaves to elites and we are essentially worthless why dont you go ahead and kill yourself and free yourself from slavery?
>>84567885It does because you will otherwise live a sadfag life devoid of any meaning.Nihilistcucks, just rope if you are too le smart for everything.
>>84567895>infertility is an anomalyin the human specie yes.In many other species, no.Evolutionary systems contain non-reproductive individuals all the time. Social species especially can still contribute indirectly to gene propagation through kin selection, resource support, group survival, etc. The classic example is eusocial insects, though humans are obviously far more complex than ants or bees.So the strongest version of your argument is:>reproduction is the central evolutionary mechanism, and traits that systematically eliminate reproduction are generally selected against.That's defensible. The weaker leap is:>therefore any exception has no biological reality or significance.That second claim doesn't follow as cleanly.(((Nature))) doesn't have goals in a literal sense. Reproduction is an emergent evolutionary pattern, not a conscious rule imposed by reality.>>84567924Turbo retarded take. Kys
>>84567924>if you truly think we are slaves to elites and we are essentially worthless why dont you go ahead and kill yourself and free yourself from slavery?i tried to hang myself when i was 16 and i was going to be put into a psychiatric hospital permanently. the only way i was able to convince my parents to keep me out of the system was to make an oath to them to never kill myself. now i have to live even if I don't want to because of my sense of honor
>>84567946in nature the more people in a tribe the stronger the tribe is, reproduction is not only ensuring you pass on your genes but also they become actually useful, there is a reason in rural communities the families have very high amount of children. the more people in a tribe/family there is the more dominant that tribe will be. you are just trying to make every sentence sound complex to seem like an intellectual.
>>84567978For most of human history, high fertility was materially advantageous. A larger kin network often meant more resilience and power. That's not controversial. At the same time, it's not a universal rule that "more people = stronger group" under all conditions. Population size helps only if resources, coordination, and stability scale with it. History also has examples where overpopulation, internal conflict, or resource collapse weakened societies.The part about rural communities is also broadly explainable without invoking ideology:children historically contributed economically, infant mortality was higher, agricultural work benefited from large families, and there were fewer pensions or state safety nets.So yes, reproduction has historically had direct social and strategic value beyond "passing genes."As for the "trying to sound intellectual" criticism: sometimes discussions about evolution get overloaded with academic wording when the core idea is simple. But precision also matters because small wording changes can shift a claim from:>"reproduction is evolutionarily advantageous"to>"nature imposes a moral duty to reproduce."Those are different claims. The first is descriptive biology; the second is philosophy or ideology.But again, you changed the goalpost (because you've been proven wrong but you still cling to being right about 'something') about reproduction being an imperative, to something about society.
>>84568026dnr faggot, its your lineage which will go extinct not mine
>>84568068>dnr faggot, its your lineage which will go extinct not minerobot got BEATEN and DESTROYED (he's cryin right now) with FACTS and LOGIC (he's trying to act tough now)How fucking hilarious xD must hurt to be a faggot like you xD
>>84568068after 10 generations, your descendants likely share none of their autosomal material with you. reproduction is just the cattle's method for coping with the fear of death
>>84568085you are the one gloating over 'winning' on a debate online against a stranger. i think you are the retarded one here pathetic little cuck, do something with your life.
>>84568111https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-R3LzEtumgThis you right now.Sorry I took you out of your delusions.
>>84568119you are unironically thinking you are being based lmao fuck back off to reddit
>>84568142Is being cultured about biology and coming up with demonstrations and logical assertions based?Yeah, you can call me based B-)keep seethin'
>>84567182Pro natalists are NPC hylic animals that need to breed. They do not have the capacity that comes from possession of a spirit to overcome this base bodily impulse.
>>84568151>cultured about yeah thats it
