As far as I know the act isn't painful for either side, so at most what you're losing is a little bit of time (which you probably won't, you can multitask, you probably weren't doing anything you had to move around for anyways) and maybe you'll have some mild discomfort while the other party gains a lot of pleasure. I would think that if you're in a marriage with someone this kind of exchange would be a pretty easy thing to accept, suffering a mild discomfort so that your spouse enjoys a much greater pleasure. I don't know what precisely I could point to about a marriage that neccesitates this but I feel like if you wouldn't do that what kind of relationship are you even in? There is a high level of trust between the two of you and so you can do these kind of I scratch your back you scratch mine kind of things because you will be certain of reciprocation and everybody benefits in the long run.Someone might ask me then, why can't this kind of thinking apply to sex with virtually anyone? If we are viewing this in this kind of utilitarian lens why don't you have the duty to offer up your body for any and every person who wishes to use it for greater gain to themself? And to that I offer two things to consider. For one, when having sex with random people, you incur various risks, like pregnancy, STDs, they might kill you, rape you in certain ways you didn't otherwise agree too or if you decide against it. You might have personal reasons why you don't want to have sex out of marriage or casually with a large number of people.(1/2)
>>84585320(2/2)Within a marriage, these problems are not as worrisome. You can agree beforehand what to do in the case of an unexpected pregnancy, which if you are a man you cannot trust some random woman to stay faithful to. You may agree with your spouse that you will keep the child, or you may be okay with getting an abortion. In the case neither of these are acceptable you really have ought not to be having sex with anyone. But I will assume you are already having sex with your spouse *sometimes*, and so this issue is already dealt with, I simply wish to discuss frequency. This brings us of course into STDs, which with a spouse you can trust should already have been decided on if at all you are having sex and thusly is out of the scope of this post. You can trust your spouse not to kill or rape you, and you do not need to worry about casual sex or sex outside of marriage with your spouse. I would also like to posit another argument against this "why doesn't this apply to anyone?" question. As I've mentioned earlier you have some level of obligation towards doing well by your partner. Putting in a small amount of work or making minor concessions to improve their life is kind of necessary to be in an actual marriage. You do not have this same obligation to some random person. You do not have the obligation to devote your life to marginally contributing more pleasure to other people than you would have experienced yourself in that moment should you have not decided to do so. With your partner however, there is trust and mutual benefit, you can devote yourselves to one another and both come out better because of it. I do rest most of this post on the assumption that you *can* trust your spouse on various things, which admittedly is not always true, but if you cannot then you really have ought not to be in that relationship in the first place. But still, if you do not then none of this would really apply.
>>84585320Wife wants it too muchDon't have the energy Also dick hurts
Women only want to have sex with someone they're attracted to, and this can change from day to day because women are retards. 99% of men would never deny their partner sex, because they understand that it means more than physical pleasure and it's about emotional closeness and romantic connection. But women don't care, they only see sex as something beneficial to themselves or a way to get what they want. i.e. if they don't want anything from you and if they aren't turned on by you, they don't think they owe you sex. This phenomenon is directly responsible for both men and women cheating in marriage.Women are evil selfish cunts
>>84585338Use your mouth, retard. Also this is larp.
>>84585338>Wife wants it too much>Don't have the energyNigga what?I'll help out if she's not disgusting
Speaking as a girl, sometimes I'm just tired after a long day. What's wrong with letting me get a good night's sleep and us just having sex tomorrow?
>>84585359Easting pussy is unattractive to women, express ticket to getting cucked >>84585364I'm tired boss
>>84585338Why can't she be on top? If sex does begin to hurt eventually then perhaps my premises are flawed, however... But I don't think pain is the main issue for most people, just not wanting it. >>84585369How long does it really take anyways? Are people really losing sleep over it? But I will accept under certain circumstances, at certain times when you're really not having it, or when the sex is otherwise regular it could outweigh the positives.
>>84585369>As if he can't finish in 3 minutes anyways and barely disrupt your sleep scheduleAnyways no guy is really crying over a single night without sex. I could comfortable go weeks without sex, if I didn't know my wife was seeking elsewhere. Because she is. Plenty of guys go entire years without ANY sex because their wife simply isn't attracted to them and refuses to give them affection or sex. Yet will stay and drain his resources and cheat on himAlso ywnbaw
>>84585415The sex itself? Maybe 30 minutes.The foreplay and making out after sex is over? Can total four to six hours. My husband and I did sexual stuff together for about 17 hours straight once when we were newlyweds.
>>84585440>My husband wants to make out with me for 6 hours AFTER he's nuttedLol do you expect anyone to believe this?
>>84585415She usually is on top, when I don't have the endurance to keep up with her. I still end up worn out and sore
>>84585320>Why should you ever refuse to have sex with your wife/husband?If I'm tired, or just not in the mood, feel free to write out critical paragraphs about my answer, I will not read them
>>84585320>As far as I know the act isn't painful for either sideimpressive to be wrong from literally the first sentence and choose to soldier on anyway
>>84585357watch this post go completely unchallenged because cunts and simps know it's true
>>84585440Ok but is he really trying to fuck for four hours every night or can he just be quick about it? Regardless I mean, still, sometimes sure the negatives can outweigh the positives. So perhaps my title is not precisely true but as a general rule I would uphold it.>>84585466Hmm. I would say then, in your particular circumstances in which it seems you already have sex quite often and there is an important degree of pain the negatives may well outweigh the positives.>>84585500Truly? It's probably painful for some people but would you say it is a painful act?
>>84585421The sitcom Everyboy Loves Raymond is practically based around Raymond begging for sex from his wife and never getting it. So real it hurts.
>>84585500It's never stopped a virgin before
>>84585606>Everyboy Loves Raymond except his wife
>>84585606Raymond was a fucking cunt though. Just watched an episode last night where he wouldn't eat his wife's cooking because "it didn't taste exactly like his mommy's"And the episode where they go to Italy but Raymond acts like a miserable cunt the whole time
>>84585513might as well put a signature on your post that says kick me, im samefagging
>>84585665suck my sweaty balls
>>84585554yes i would say vigorously thrusting something hard into an orifice made of muscle which may or may not be lubricated and may or may not be engorged with arousal enough to be capable of taking said hard object is painful, yes, even without considering friction, thrust speed or frequency, or complications like vaginismus, painful muscle contractions or cramps, or tears in the orifice that bleed and become infected with the addition of bacteria from a penis, urine from a urethra, or from blood.>>84585622almost like the act is what makes them no longer virgins and is defined by pain, bleeding, and ripping the hymen (and potentially vaginal walls). also it does actually, many virgins do die when fucked for the first time in child marriages because they cant accommodate a penis. this is also why you dont fuck babies. or cats.
>>84585672wow you really fooled me, i wonder if there is something that existed that allows you to easily edit posts or, perhaps, a device that allows you to easily rotate your ip and no longer register a post as yours. you did grow up using a computer, right, and not just a smartphone? i mean, not like you can edit file names or anything either
>>84585699nigger you're schizophrenic. I'm drunk, on amphetamines and it's 5am why the fuck would i invest that much to own your loser ass. check the file name and compare to when it was sent and when your post was made or whatever damn in any case, go ahead and disprove what he said
>>84585320>Why should you ever refuse to have sex with your wife/husband?Because I don't fucking want to, end of discussion.
>>84585743>I'm drunk, on amphetamines and it's 5am very weird flex but ok. not even 11pm for me and i am watching a horror movie. why are you drunk and high on amphetamines before 5am and posting about how much you hate cunts and simps on 4chan. these are prime cunt hunting hours
>>84585760i've got friends over, dummyand flex? i'm saying i'm not gonna bother with some elaborate bs for smth like this in that state. are you a woman? you better be a woman with such a faggy and scared way of writing, itd be shameful else
>>84585777okay. why do you have friends over and are still posting both drunk and high on amphetamines on 4chan at 5am to neg some faggot. are you flirting with me, cocksucker? go fuck one of those bugchaser friends of yours
>>84585809neg? boy are you buzzword-mindraped lmaoyou never browse your phone when zoinked outta your mind and everyone else is tired too? strange
>>84585691Nothing about it has to be vigorous, or of a high thrust speed, or of a high frequency, or without lubrication. The other things seem to be uncommon enough that I wouldn't characterize sex as painful overall. But sure, if one *is* experiencing these complications then things are different. I will also note that I now read that a lack of arousal can cause said tears so IF that is common enough then in the particular case of an unaroused wife it may be advised to not do it.
>>84585826are you unfamiliar with what negging is? on the failed pua board? cringe>you never browse your phone when zoinked outta your mind and everyone else is tired too?no, typically i am doing something with my friends when they are there with me. so you are all high and drunk laying around scrolling your phones as the sun comes up? are they showing you tiktoks while you shitpost on 4chan?
>>84585845I think you just want an excuse to post old porn ITT. That is perfectly fine. It is nice porn. But why bother with this bit? Not like mods will ban you for porn on a pink board.
>>84585851what a wonderful little mind you have. i am now convinced you're a woman
>>84585859I can assure you that's not the case. I have thought about this once before and just remembered yesterday.
>>84585320My ex GF forced herself upon me. She managed to make me sort of hard, I was desperately tired, did not want to at all, but she insisted, said she had needs, got on top of me and made it happen.It feels like I was essentially reduced to a dildo. I felt violated, like this was my entire purpose and I was doomed to this existence where I would not be believed or worse mocked for this destruction of my being. Looking at her made me feel sick, any and all trust I could have ever have in a person just flew out the window. She said she cared about me, then did this?You clearly are a virgin if you can't understand why someone would say no and why you should respect that.
>>84585320Careful, you'll attract that one radfem troll who's obsessed with the word "penetrate"
>>84585867okay. iwnbaw so i dont really care. see if i was high on amphetamines and drunk off my mind i would be making strenuous love to my equally inebriated friends, perhaps specifically gently caressing the inside of their intestinal walls via their puckered anuses with my penis. it would be interesting to see how deeply i could shove my sperm in there and if it would be possible, given enough anal exploration with beads and whatnot, to push my cum through their gastrointestinal tract, into their stomach, up their throat, and back out of their mouths. so they can kiss my cum back into mine, of course.but then im not a faggot.
>>84585910Yeah, I do not believe you at all. But keep posting old married porn, I need to cum.
>>84585320I'm married and you're pretty much right. Been married almost 10 years, have 4 kids. The only time I turn down my wife is I legitimately am in pain like I just ate 3 burgers, or have bad gas/am sick and I feel too gross and offputting to perform. Besides that yeah, if she wants and I can get hard its so little effort to have sex and make her happy. Its like asking me to throw out the trash if I have 0 percent horny. Its a chore, but one I am very happy to do because I love her, just fingerbang, show love by cuddling and kissing and caressing and eat out and its done. Same for me. Sometimes I've been super horny and she doesn't feel it so she just gives me an extremely sloppy blowjob.In my marriage, the times I didn't feel well enough to have sex have been very few. I think too often, married couples deny sex to each other to "punish" the other for things. But that's just very poor communication. Redditors call this "choreplay", but if you're at the point where you think your spouse is demanding choreplay before they give you sex, you must be a tremendously lazy piece of shit and your partner must be horrible at communicating. In my mind and something my wife also agrees with me, you should always strive your best in the marriage. Loving someone else is trusting they will do the same. Its such a liberating feeling. I don't have to keep score. If I'm having a bad day, my wife will clean the house before I get home. If she's having a bad day, I'll let her sleep in and make her breakfast and manage the kids. This seems so intuitive and easy. The fact that its a conflict maybe speaks volumes about how selfish people are, and the kind of calculus they do to optimize their benefit to be greater than that their partner receives. If this is messy I've been drinking right now. Watching wife play palia while I 4chan.
>>84585921Penetrate this, patriarchal shitlord.
>>84585320>Why should you ever refuse to have sex with your wife/husband?because you don't want to. the other person will live, trust me.
>>84585949>Redditors call this "choreplay"they do what now?
>>84585957A big thing on reddit is lazy retarded people that do nothing all day, getting mad their spouse or boy/girlfriend not giving them sex. Imagine if you will, a typical egotistical argumentative redditor that is constantly filling the house with pot smoke and making a big miss. Doesn't clean after themselves. Their significant other is clearly distressed and digusted. Tells them "hey, I'm kinda turned off since the house is so gross and you didn't shower today". The redditor will say "WOW, really?! So you want me to do a bunch of chores before you give me sex? This is crazy. This is choreplay. You're gas-lighting me as a narcissistic abuser. Just give me sex NOW! Reddit told me I was right!"You can just google "reddit choreplay" and find like a million examples of these oblivious fucks.
>>84585915I am sorry to hear of your experience. I did not condone rape in this thread.>>84585945I cannot assure you any of these subjects are married.
>>84585949Congrats on the marriage and kids, your scenario sounds nice. I cant imagine turning down my hypothetical spouse for sex because I would be constantly turned on by the thought of giving them pleasure, but I can also see where if it felt like a chore or they got whiny about not having it enough it would be something to resent. Thats no fun for anyone.Do you find your relationship has grown stronger over the years together and with the birth of your children? Has the stress of daily life, especially raising little ones, come between you two when you try to be intimate together? I know the novelty of it must wear off early on during the honeymoon period, but do you feel as in love now as you did when you were first a couple? Or, if not more or less, is it different?
>>84585970wow. i assumed from the way you were discussing it that you meant others (likely women) were demanding their spouses do x amount of specific chores before they had sex, but that is significantly more annoying. something is deeply wrong with the redditor mind. if AITA tells me YNTA i can never do anything wrong, right?
>>84585970Ive had multiple boyfriends do that and so did my dad to my mom. Now that you mention it, they WERE all big Redditors.
>>84585980Every copulating couple is married in the union of their flesh into one in the eyes of the Lord, our God.
>>84585984>Do you find your relationship has grown stronger over the years together and with the birth of your children?Yeah you kind of meld together in function. This can turn into a negative and its something we've brought up. Sometimes you kind of shorthand state a command or express a feeling and the thought is that the other spouse will do something about it. Its pretty exhausting with kids and you have to vibe it out with when someone is at their limit and you have to tag in. >Has the stress of daily life, especially raising little ones, come between you two when you try to be intimate together? Absolutely not. Sometimes you just have to lock the door and let them cry while you fuck. I honestly feel zero percent guild about this. They're fine. They don't need another yogurt or to have a specific series and episode of blippy on any more than I need to fucking slobber all over her ass and pussy. >I know the novelty of it must wear off early on during the honeymoon period, but do you feel as in love now as you did when you were first a couple? Or, if not more or less, is it different?More because I'm more secure. We got married after only 3 months of dating. Like I mentioned you kind of meld together and most conversations are just what must seem to others as insane streams of consciousness. Zero shame and zero filter.>>84586004>wow. i assumed from the way you were discussing it that you meant others (likely women) were demanding their spouses do x amount of specific chores before they had sexFrom what I've seen its independent of sex.
>>84585447why would that be unbelievable? its a direct segue into more sex. are you stupid?>>84585411women love getting their pussy eaten but they want to feel like their man is doing it just for them, not every other woman
>>84585320She beats the shit out of me pretty badly, and regularly. Sometimes it just hurts a lot and I'm still recovering, for sex
>>84585949>>84586049You and your wife sound fat as fuck
>>84585338Sorry that no un-virgin responded to you. Maybe the virgins will learn before it's too late
>>84585338>>84585949>>84586132how frequently do you do it?
>>84586229think that anon was directly making fun of redditor posters. it can be hard to read between the cumshots on the screen
>>84586378Three times a day, daily. Call me low T or whatever you want, but it's too much for me
