>>84596544
What if ur last name is like super cool and unique. Would you change it anon for idk the last name smith or Johnson. Fuck no

>NNOOOOO!!!!!! I NEED HER TO TAKE MY LAST NAME BECAUSE I NEED TO MAKE SURE SHE IS MY POSSESSION
Exact reason I kept mine when I married my husband.

Who cares? Some names suck, some families suck, some people suck, and most of all, people do all kinds of meaningless shit for no reason.

>>84596570
>>84596566
Real as fucking hell honestly

Always was a retarded tradition, glad we don't have it here

they should just add last names until a child is born with like 10 last names, then they take the first letter of each last name and make that the new last name

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>men actually get insanely and violently mad about this
>historically, it was done to make her husband her legal authority starting in the 17th century
>up until the early 20th century, women would only have a few rights if she did not take her husband's last name despite being married
More and more reason to go 4B. There isn't any true reason to do so. Society is shit and deserves to burn.

>>84596544
all naming convention is gay anyway.

it should be required for everyone to pick their own name at 18. different from before - signifying being free from private dictatorship

and again if they are married, they pick their own name again. different from before - signifies willing enslavement to each other

>>84596566
>>84596604
why do you want to have sex with us when you got a husband at home

>>84596629
All this liberal shit is fucking stupid and gay as hell. Constantly getting rid of things that work and replacing them with homosexuality.

>>84596544
No idea. But im sure there was a good reason for it. One reason i can think of is at least as a guy you get to pass your surname even if she cucks you. Since only women can grantee its actually their baby.

>>84596544
It is a huge red flag. If a woman is going to fight you on taking your last name, she's going to fight you on everything else for the rest of the relationship because she sees you as a pushover.

>>84596645
What are you on about anon. The only reason I wouldnt want to change my last name is because its cool as fucking hell

>>84596645
Where did I say I wanted sex with any of you?

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>>84596566

Yes, women are property. Nature acknowledges this because a man's seed invades a woman's body and grows inside it while the woman is vulnerable and needs to be taken care of.

>>84596668
>things that work
lole

>>84596692
you don't have to say it out loud sitting in a room full of naked virgin men

>>84596674
this was basically it.
the only child you could assume to be yours was your first born. which is why a first born son is the biggest deal there is in the past and losing your first born son was a tragedy. having a daughter first was also a tragedy.
the assumption of the woman being a virgin, and the idea of a honeymoon was you both went somewhere away just the two of you and you didnt come back until she was pregnant.
after that, it was assumed you couldnt ever be sure of your child being yours which is why the 2nd plus kids were always considered nonessential.

>>84596566
congrats you are your dad's possession

>>84596625
the only people you hurt going 4b is yourself unironically.

you become irrelevant, lonely, and you go crazy then die alone.

the 4b movement is there as a weapon created by other women to prune competition, because for every one of you that goes 4b another will be laughing as she takes a good man you could have had if you werent retarded.

>>84596742
>this was basically it.
Thank you for affirming my thoughts, it was the most logical conclusion i could come to at least. As it made sense to me at least regarding how people in the past would have thought. Regardless I'm pretty sure these surnames and such are pointless these days due to the broken social system and since surnames were actually a nobility thing which is not a thing anymore...

>>84596745
My maiden name is was also my mom's. She kept hers when she married my dad. Taking the father's last name is more akin to lineage, not possession. Taking the husband's last name implies that he has taken possession of me.

>>84596629
That's retarded because it would be a bureaucratic and legal nightmare so many people with so much name changing what are you twelve years old still in school?
>>84596625
These are the reasons the name changing made sense to do before. Now in modern society it just doesn't matter anymore unless the wife wants it to be Mrs. bullshit and match her kids. Honestly I wouldn't want to bother with the hassle if I was a female so I don't blame them if they don't.
>>84596687
This is also true to some extent though if she just doesn't want the legal/life hassle of name changing its understandable but if she's like prideful arrogant feminist wacko about it she is probably going to divorce rape you down the line she's nor planning on being with you for life.

>>84596789
Nobility means that there is a logical reason to suspect you can get things done. Same logic applies to all things
Confirming and enforcing successful patterns is always good

>>84596830
>Confirming and enforcing successful patterns is always good
Sending incels to war to die by their lords to gain just a tiny crumb of resources and land was the successful pattern in the past. That's good according to you. So go at it.

>>84596544
It is 100% a red flag. I would never marry a woman that refused to take my last name. It's different if she's divorced and getting remarried, but that's a red flag itself.

>>84596871
Do you always sidetrack concepts or only when you think it makes you look smart

>>84596830
>Confirming and enforcing successful patterns is always good
I agree on this. Trying to change that that always worked can lead to a bad outcome but sometimes you need to fuck around and find out. I am however not exactly the brightest tool in the shed so i cant see any good outcome from this whole challenging surname things. Since having the same surname promotes you to see people with the same one as part of your family easier. I can say that as i have a sister with a different surname. Yet i didn't know she was my sister thanks to that until i was 12, and i don't see her truly as my sister thanks to that to this day. However this might just be a unique issue to me.

>>84596889
Do you always get angry when the very thing you spouted is turned against you?

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1) Women now own all the property so takingon legacy of propertiless and historyless losers that are modern men is just ridiculous and pointless. Women now carry the legacy of their families, men dont carry shit. Most of men havent even talked to their families in ages because their families think they are an embarrassment.
2) It is now men who are desperate to marry, women have en masse heterofatality and only engage with men out of pity or curiosity.

>>84596908
I asked you a question and i dont understand your respo se

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>>84596566
A valid point, men seem to be extremely upset because they can no longer imprint themselves on women as they used to.

>>84596930
We don't have to get married then. But I'm not buying an engagement ring or paying for a wedding if you're not taking my name. It's symbolic.

>>84596895
Things were going well prior to the 11th century when this surname change started. Not changing a woman's surname worked back then. So according to you, we should never have changed the pattern.

>>84596926
That's because you are seething that your own words were being used against you. Cope.

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LOL at seeing excess moids seething in this thread

women dont need you anymore

>>84596895
Yeah, there are a LOT of outliers these days and that is deliberate
Life is always hard, but what makes it proven to be worth whike is taking the historically trustworthy route
That's the reeson that humans were able to teach monkeys to dipp fo

>>84596544
Wait you actually get mad over this

>>84596983
>So according to you, we should never have changed the pattern.
Unless you can name benefits and downsides to for and against. Id say so. However with how the times have changed perhaps its better for men to change their surnames to the women's and be househusbands. That is also a path that is quite ideal for me personally. Well that is if i got any bitches that is. But its nice to dream to be able to not work and just do household chores and game all day.

>>84596987
Women not needing men as much as men need women.

>>84596987
why are you here? aren't there other imageboards specifically for femcels

>>84597211
this board was originally created for cute girls but then incel nazi moids invaded

i just want you to leave and go back to /pol/

>>84596544
Moids should take womens names, women are the ones making children

>>84597234
uhh that's not true

also i'm not an incel or a nazi. you're annoying and not welcome here lol

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>>84596768
if women were lonely they would post about it on r9k

>>84597245
you voted for trump lol

>>84597272
i'm not even american. what's got you so assmad?

>>84596737
meant first for >>84596702

>>84596827
>bureaucratic and legal nightmare
bureaucracies and legal matter would be simpler if everyone were my legal property, therefore everyone should be my legal property.

you build bureaucracies around functional system, not work around them. everyone has ssn + dob unique combo, names has always been bs, just symbolic representation of your last owner

>>84596544
All lasts names are derived from male lineages. Women don't have last names. They never did, and they never will. And once we're all extinct it wouldn't matter anymore anyway. Women are coping for being history's last and greatest losers of all time.

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>>84596930
Yes. Lets go back to natural selection, where women just get raped constantly. So much better than marriage baka.

>>84596544
I took my wife's last name actually

lol

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>le appeal to tradition!! tradition is good!
>well [x] was a tradition too
>RRREEEEEEEEEEEE!!! THAT DOESN'T COUNT!

Nothing wrong with that if that is what you two agreed to do.

>>84597484
>gets raped constantly
never happened retard, doesn't make sense from male prospective if you can't make it certain at least one kid would be yours. pairing was always socially regulated, some forms of marriage was always a thing in human. without socially regulated marriage guys kill each other destroying tribe over mate guarding access, those tribes didn't' pass on gennes to modern day.

women are into submissive bs for 2 reason: 1) they are physically weaker, imagine if you were half your height what else the fuck would you realistically coom to 2) impregnable women are always far fewer than number of guys who can impregnate because of menopause so the valuable resource management while guaranteeing paternal certainty (ie marrige) - it was done through deals between men. for this to function, the women who were not very submissive and not willing to some degree get turned on by any random chud who'll marry her got extinct, we are left with submissive cucked women.

the attraction data is complicated, you are not smart enough to handle that

>>84596544
I would accept it being hyphenated if she was already famous or a professional or something. But I would never accept her just not taking my name at all.
>>84596566
Your husband is a cuckold.

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>this actually causes men to have meltdowns

>>84596544
i would love to take my bfs last name, he has a very nice last name.

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>>84596544
It's openly disrespectful for the woman to not take the husband's last name, and a signifier the guy is a cuck. If you ever see a relationship where the wife didn't take the husband's last name, you can just tell the guy is a pushover little bitch.

Technically there's nothing wrong with it... it's just a tradition. But it's just that, a certain type of guy is the type to engage with it. It's like someone who wears a certain type of clothes telling you about who they are. Essentially, it's meaningless. But socially, it's very meaningful. Like, for example, there's nothing technically wrong with wearing a trench coat and fingerless gloves and a fedora, but we all know the type of guy who does that.

>>84597701
It's definitely cuck shit. Like I said before, it's symbolic. Basically she's signaling to the world that she refuses to be seen as yours. Marriage is a commitment, and she's refusing to commit to you. Yet she expects it from you, she expects an expensive engagement ring. So you're expected to commit to her without her committing to you. The only guy who would agree to that is a cuckhold.

>>84597626
>doesn't make sense from male prospective if you can't make it certain at least one kid would be yours.
Yeah. That's why marriage was invented. Before it, whoever had kids had kids. Lots of tribes didn't even understand that sex caused women to have babies.
>pairing was always socially regulated, some forms of marriage was always a thing in human.
You're talking about bumfuck oogabooga cavemen here. Look at other primapes. The females just get raped mostly and sometimes give sex to betas who help them, who then get murdered by alphas if they're caught.
>without socially regulated marriage guys kill each other destroying tribe over mate guarding access, those tribes didn't' pass on gennes to modern day.
Yes. That's how it worked back then. The men would fight and kill each other to be alpha, and then they'd get to rape all the women.
>women are into submissive bs for 2 reason: 1) they are physically weaker, imagine if you were half your height what else the fuck would you realistically coom to 2)
I'm sexually submissive and heterosexual yet I'm a moid. Explain that.
>impregnable women are always far fewer than number of guys who can impregnate because of menopause so the valuable resource management while guaranteeing paternal certainty (ie marrige) - it was done through deals between men.
"Deals" is a strong word. The alpha would rape and protect/own all the women, want it or not.
>for this to function, the women who were not very submissive and not willing to some degree get turned on by any random chud who'll marry her got extinct, we are left with submissive cucked women
No. Pre-domesticated society alphas weren't saying "okay, you can fuck my women if you want. I want you to have a pure monogamous relationship like me."

Sperm is much less scarce than eggs. The whole genetic advantage of being born a male is that you can spread your genes to potentially infinite females. The disadvantage is that you might not get the opportunity.

I will take my husbands name if we married but only because I hate my father and since I am his only child and all his family are dead, I will erase his family name completely by that.

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>>84597626
Besides that, women choosing in nature leads to genetically fucked up animals.

Males have the abillity to just fuck everything without much consequences. So, when men choose, the main thing animals are rewarded for by natural selection is just life. Females have to be more sexually selective, at when they choose we get peacock tails and other wacky shit that causes misery and has nothing to do with the health of the species.

This is a trend, though not always the case. Seahorses, I'd imagine, would get fucked up too if the males chose, since male seahorses get pregnant.

That said, we're individuals. We shouldn't even be taking this eugenics angle on things in the first place. "Feminazi" was an apt term by millenials.

>>84597820
The funny thing is that you're going to end up dating/marrying a guy who is exactly like your dad.

On one hand I hate the idea of taking a man's last name, because it feels like saying my side of the family doesn't matter and that my relationship to my children is conditional on me being married to him. But on the other hand I want to find a man who I love and respect and want to submit to so much that all my fears about taking his name no longer even matter. Giving up my name feels like I'm not his equal, so I want a man who I'd never even dream of being an equal with.

>>84596819
>My maiden name is was also my mom's. She kept hers when she married my dad.
grandad then

>>84598627
its funny how in this post you can see both feminist brainwashing and natural female submissiveness

>>84597626
>never happened retard
Paleolithic races like niggers and abos rape women they dont even try to court them they just fuck them without thinking

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>>84598769

>natural female submissiveness

If only women would stop pulling our legs.

>>84596544
Why do you guys care, you're not getting married so why be mad on behalf of chad

>>84598798
I'd rather pull their legs. OH!

>>84598758
NTA but my grandma divorced, then my mom changed her last name to a name neither of her parents had (based on her middle name) and passed that name to me. Absolutely no men played a part in my last name.

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>>84598802

>so why be mad on behalf of chad

Chad ain't getting married to these bitches either though. It's bluepilled - or if not bluepilled, desperate and without dignity - beta cuck simps that these hoes who need a post-wall free meal ticket are settling with.

>>84598823
who decided her middle name?

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>>84597785
>primeapes

>>84598837
chad or simp, why do you care at all on their behalf?

>>84598883

>Why do you care about traditional social mores foundational to the success and flourishing of society being watered down or straight up removed?

Uh, because I don't live in a vacuum? We are individuals but we live in a group called society.

>>84597785
>bumfuck oogabooga cavemen here
I think you got some misunderstanding about how human works, humans were as smart and depending on who you listen to tiny bit smarter in the past as individual unit. essentially same people as us has been walking around on earth doing bs for last 200k years at least, before that maybe you can argue they were dumber
>The men would fight and kill each other to be alpha, and then they'd get to rape all the women.
This only happened like 10k or so years ago when people started farming and became dependant on others for food and resources they control and can manage police force in one place.

Humans are not chimps. Chimps do not have concealed ovulation like human.

It works out for their strategy both because they are too retarded to coordinate together to take out any alpha or otherwise break apart to cripple alpha's power since tribe can't survive with too many women too few men.

With chimps there are specific detectable impregnable window when you can compete and collect all female and impregnate them, their ass becomes red or whatever bs. In human the 2-5 day window when women can get pregnant is undetectable and even when timed right it's like 50% chance of working, this needs a very long mate guarding to gurnatee a kid with your gene is passing on. Random rape and short term collecting and fucking doesn't work. Chuds will get together and bash chad's head open.

>Pre-domesticated
Things were more distributed then, after people started settling is when the people in power got to take nearly all women for a short while. Both directly and indirectly by fractions killing each other. It improved after chuds invented female distribution specific religions that are still popular today to fight against chads.

>>84598867
I meant "apes" lol.
>>84598987
>think you got some misunderstanding about how human works,
Doubt it.
>humans were as smart and depending on who you listen to tiny bit smarter in the past as individual unit.
I know. If I lived back then, I'd be just as fucked over. It has nothing to do with being smart.
>essentially same people as us has been walking around on earth doing bs for last 200k years at least, before that maybe you can argue they were dumber
They didn't have very large societies or any way to record shit.
>This only happened like 10k or so years ago when people started farming and became dependant on others for food and resources they control and can manage police force in one place.
Why do you think that? Of you examined primative nomatic societies when before we colonized all the land, they weren't all innocent. People just fought and fucked as they could and tried to control the women.
>Humans are not chimps. Chimps do not have concealed ovulation like human.
Well, no. But why would this drmatically change how we behaved? Our non-human animal subling soecies are the closest we have to how it looked. Most of our common genetic relations as a species do the alpha rape shit.

>With chimps
I wasn't just talking about chimps. Gorillas don't have concealed ovulation, and they still do the alpha rape shit.
>this needs a very long mate guarding to get a kid with your gene is passing on
Hence, you're biologically incentivized as a male to fuck as much and as many as possible.
>Random rape and short term collecting and fucking doesn't work.
Exactly why alphas didn't share and weren't short-term.
>Chuds will get together and bash chad's head open.
And then what? Equally distribute the women? Not happening. Such groups were self-defeating until farming existed.
>Things were more distributed then,
If by "things" you mean women, yes. Women were easier for most men to rape.
>It improved after chuds invented government mandated gfs
Kek. You admit it.

>>84596544
Depends on if the last name sucks. My husband's wasn't ideal but I wanted to erase the only thing keeping me tied to the family name, as they are all dead.

Women who don't want to take the mans last name should settle for me. Trad shit is so stupid. It sucks that progressive women won't settle for me.

>>84599932
That attitude is a pussy repellant.

>I have a bachelors degree and my bf doesn't
>I have a cool ass last name, I am the only me in the entire world (for real) and changing my name would make me the same as thousands of other women (ew)
He should take MINE bro

>Why do women do this lame, unfeminine shit? And why do men get married to women who won't take their last name? That should be a red flag.
Yes, it's despicable. More of their feminist misandry shit. Mercenary whores, already ready for the divorce-rape. Won't have to change their name back. The double barrelled shit for them and the kids is also disgraceful.

>>84596544
Its incredibly fucking weird to take his name. I come from a culture where they dont do that. My mom carries her own name. Why the hell is that even a thing over here? Its like erasing your whole lineage. Why the hell would I willingly do that?

I would NEVER marry a woman who takes issue with becoming Mrs. Anon

I don't like my last name so I don't care if a woman takes it

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>half a day later
>moids are still seething over this that much
Holy shit, get the hint.
>"b-b-but why do women hate us so much?"

think the better option is just combine them, i really never got this shit considering a lot of people just mash em together like the spanish. bonus is you can use it to mess with any kids you have with them by using the whole name + middle names when scolding them

>>84600164
Why do retards think having a bachelors degree is impressive in 2026? Have you guys gone to uni? There are so many retards here. No one gaf if you got some useless degree from some no name uni.

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>>84601240
>t. brainlet
Just say you are too dumb that even University of Phoenix didn't accept you.

>>84601273
>t. Bachelor's of sociology