>>84617399
i want a girlfriend despite all this, not because of it

>>84617399
For one I don't think this is true for actual incels, maybe guys you call incels. For two, those guys who don't claim to be incels should not entirely reinvent their lives just to chase mediocre pussy. It's the height of gynocentrism to be this much of a slave to female affection and companionship while all they must do is exist. Shedding the things you are interested in, the copes that you use to keep going, forcing yourself to like that which you hate, simply turning off any social anxiety you might have.

reminder that for foids the template looks like this
>dont be fat(optional)

>>84617399
>start working out, get fit
Done
>learn to cook, eat healthy
Done
>stop playing video games (children's hobby)
Done
>stop watching anime (children's media
)
Done
>stop frequenting toxic online incel communities (4chan, etc.).
Nope still on 4chan and so are you
>develop healthy and attractive hobbies (musical instrument, outdoor stuff, reading ,etc)
I am into outdoor stuff but thats not attractoce to women at all. I also read classics and its the exact same
>develop at least one useful masculine skill (car mechanics, home improvement, etc.)
Done
>make real life friends, try to initiate at least one interaction every day, it will get easier over time
Done.
Still an incel that has never ever had a single date or women be interested in me
What do?

Let me fix you.
>Just be a chad

>>84617399
>start working out, get fit
Meme, this is a shitload of effort for a very minor bump in attractiveness, most women don't give a shit about muscles. Just don't be fat and you're good. You can work if *you* enjoy doing so, but don't delude yourself into thinking it'll pay off pussy wise.
>learn to cook, eat healthy
Again, do it for your benefit or don't bother, the average man can barely operate a microwave to make instant noodles and they still fuck.
>stop playing video games
The richest man in the world who has a gorillion children plays video games.
>stop frequenting toxic online incel communities
Agreed.
>develop healthy and attractive hobbies
A hobby is a thing you do for fun. If you don't like it, it's just a chore. Do those things if you like them, but don't pretend you can force yourself to like playing the guitar if you hate it.
>develop at least one useful masculine skill
Most of these can be learned on the fly with google/youtube/AI or you can hire a tradesman. Again, do it if you want to, but it won't change shit normally.
>make real life friends
A lot of friendless people are mentally ill and can't "just make friends lol" because of the double empathy issue.

TL; DR: you're giving some decent if generic advice but in wrong contexts.

>>84617399
I tried and did all of this and I remain a khhv so please tell le how this is akshully not enough

>>84617399
>You are incel because you don't tried
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

>>84617429
Women are the choosers. It's a fact of nature. Women aren't going to choose a loser if they have better options. That doesn't make them bad people. It's common sense. Losers aren't attractive in any way.
Incels are always losers. They have loser habits, loser hobbies, and loser attitudes. But being a loser is a lifestyle choice, it's something you're born with or something permanent. If you are content with being a loser, that's fine, but don't call it "involuntary", and don't complain that you can't attract a women. Every day you make the choice to continue living like a loser, and nothing ever changes.

>>84617499
Women have hundreds maybe thousands of options and would never pick a man whose not attractive or rich even if he does all of the above things.

>>84617432
I know you must be lying. There's no way you did all that and are still here posting on r9k.

>>84617526
I am not. Its just cope on your end. I hike and camp in the we. My job is chill and i can shitpost of the time.
I do all of the things you described and have never ever gotten a single date. Still waiting for your next cope that its akshully now not enough

>>84617399
if i looked like that guy id be so dysphoric, id probably rope

>>84617399
>find a girlfriend and vastly improve their lives
Girlfriends objectively make your life worse though when the upsides and downsides are added together.

>>84617399
did none of those (cept i never watched anime), am ugly and awkward and not even tall. can still get laid. nothing matters.

>>84617499
>Women are the choosers. It's a fact of nature.
It's not a "fact of nature" at all, it's purely chosen behavior both by men who self-sabotage and women who exploit the obviously advantageous position they're handed for free.

>>84617616
Women are biologically programmed to have higher standards, because carrying and rearing children is extremely costly.
Men are biologically programmed to have low standards, because there is little to no cost to impregnating many women.
This largely explains modern dating dynamics in an open and free market.

>>84617517
There simply aren't enough chads or rich guys to go around. Many women may have an opportunity to sleep with a chad here and there, but most won't be able to lock one down in a LTR, which they care about much more than casual sex. They have to settle. That's where (you) come in.

>>84618121
>most won't be able to lock one down in a LTR
They can. They just wont be the only ones
>They have to settle. That's where (you) come in.
No because they wont settle for a sub8

>>84617399
>stop watching anime
frick off

>>84617399
this makes no sense i see "alt" chads (aka tall and skinny white boys) slaying constantly and they love video games, anime, eat slop, scroll all day

>>84618267
>tall and skinny white boys
Kek i wish
>t.tall and skinny white boy

>>84617399
After careful consideration of the offer at hand, I was chosen to inform you, that no female is worth it. talk to me when you have a batter list of retarded demands.

>>84617499
>Women are the choosers. It's a fact of nature.
If we're going with nature then perhaps we should end all government subsidies to women? Gender quotas, equal pay laws, and welfare programs don't exist in nature and I think we should have natural selection, no government intervention to tip the scales.

>>84618313
nooo boyim its not the same!

>>84617581
Why? Are you a troon?

>>84617399
I'm not reading more of your post after
>you could get a gf
Yeah the incels here COULD but to what end? There are no women under 45 that understand reciprocal affection. In fact the vast majority of them require you to be unaffectionate and categorically refuse to show any affection themselves.

They will demand you sacrifice everything that makes you YOU and they will use this as THE excuse to jump ship kneecapping your goals and tearing down your accomplishments for the next guy they'll want to be rescued from. Men deserve better than this.

>>84617399
I don't understand human relationships, so doing all that would be pointless
No girl would want me anyway
I'm to fucked up mentally
>t.36 year old virgin loser

>>84617526
Tons of people who use /r9k/ have sex. Your list has very little to do with why most modern men are struggling romantically/sexually.

>>84617399
>Just do X
It's mostly predetermined, dude. Stop with this gaslighting

ive had 6 girlfriends and cheated with like 30+ women. my only hobby is video games and i don't even have good hygiene, but women just like that im tall and have a deep voice. most of the girls i fucked were stringing along guys that did all this stupid shit to try and earn attraction from a woman that never had it to begin with.

>>84617399
>because you don't tried
looks like you don't tried at english very good either, rakesh.