>>84640754
>women now are content with just hooking up, partying, hanging out with their friends, and focusing on career/school.
Thats all women. I have female coworkers and one of their worst nightmare is getting married to an average or ugly guy.
If youre a girl you can just get a high paying hr job straight after uni and then find a bunch of milionaires on dating apps

>>84640775
Yup. The only guys that are able to "betabux" their way into pussy in 2026 are those making a TON of money. If you're just an above average guy making 80-90k a year, that's not going to be enough.

I just think it's hilarious how far behind most incel cope is from how women actually think. Many women don't want to get married and have even less interest in children. Sure they'd want to lock down a top tier chad, but they are not crying over the idea of not getting married to some average looking guy that they'll stop having sex with a year into their marriage.

i'm over 30 but this mindset is kind of on us. we grew up with this mad idea that male and female sexuality are 'the same' (they're not, but bear with it for a second) AND that women are smart girls who pick guys for love, whereas men are silly boys who just want to fuck. a lot of dorky dudes end up with this idea 'i-i want love too!'

no shit. anyway, what IS the same is women would have a harem of hunks if they could. they just also require emotional support that men don't (as much), but there are more men available (unlike in your teenage animu fantasies where it's the SAME 3-6 grills for life).

basically, can you blame them?

>>84640791
In my shithole country 80k a year is a times what most people make but we have the exact same standards as you guys in the us (must make at least 100k euros, be above 190 cm)

>>84640847
Social media is everywhere and women are a hivemind. The only places that are "traditional" are those that are cut off from American social media.

>>84640872
Every place has access to shittok these days. I have been to very remote places and even then people recorded tiktok dances

>>84640754
It doesn't because I do not consider non-virginal used goods as love interests.

>>84640878
Indeed. That's also why even now it's pretty difficult to find a woman that isn't corrupted. That's why most guys good with women just say to expect her to be a whore but don't obsess.

>>84640798
They're just doing what is ultimately best for them. Women get horny and want to get fucked the same as men do. The sexuality is different but the reality is that if your pool of women that you marry is the same as the pool you have sex with, it's going to be contaminated.

>>84640885
This is an unhealthy and unrealistic idea to have past the age of 20 or so. It's just a fact of life that most women nowadays are having casual sex. If she is one of those that actually wants to get married first, she isn't waiting until she's 30 to get married lol. The other thing as well is a lot of those women wouldn't want a huge age gap in their man because they'd want a guy that waited as well, not an incel that couldn't get a girlfriend but a guy that's desirable but chose to wait.

>>84640907
>Women get horny and want to get fucked the same as men do.
i mean this is true: there's some weird Magnus Hirschfeld worship going on because of the transsexual thing, but he also (rightly) pointed this out. which is pretty fucking hilarious because no shit, we're animals, you could even just ask women behind closed doors.

but there's a real lack of long-term thinking and consideration for (genuine) sex differences. equality is great, sure. but i think we had it right before. don't shame or attack e.g. a teenage girl or young woman for having sexual feelings, which plenty of cultures still do. at the same time, teach both sexes to be sensible and considerate of each other. as a purely social/compassionate/secular thing, not some creepy cult or quasi-religious thing (which is where this Twitter-feminist movement has gone).

>>84640927
The thing is that a lot of men have to pretend women are asexual because the alternative is too painful to bare. She gets horny but doesn't want to fuck me, which means that he is undesirable in some way otherwise why wouldn't she be using me to fulfil her sexual desires?

What scares people about female desire is that it's a bottomless pit, and they have so much more sexual access than men do. Even the biggest Chad doesn't have as much sexual access to women as a 6/10 white woman does to men. Religions knew this but instead of explaining the why they just blindly said female sexuality is harmful so people dismissed it.

>>84640798
No i dont really blame them.
They have thousands of options and they pick the best one.
I am just angry at myself for falling for the trap of believeing in love which is basically a male fantasy

>>84640754
Well think about it. As a man, you would have nearly limitless options for sex. If you're feeling the slightest bit horny, it would be a matter of contacting a woman of your choice and have sex within the hour. It's not dissimilar to the availability of porn, except of course its a human connection. So you have sex, clean your dick, and move on with your day.
No nagging, no relationship drama, no hard decisions about whether to move in, no suspicions or tension. Just free, easily available sex.
I'm not saying its right or wrong, but who wouldn't want to be in this situation?

>>84640981
are you doing some devil's advocate shit here, anon-chan?

it's like the whole
>hurr durr just be gay
argument. you KNOW it's not the same.

turns out men ALSO want genuine connection, not just someone's vagina to masturbate inside of. how about that!

>>84640915
>Unrealistic
>Unhealthy
>Incel
You forgot to include insecure and misogynistic to the mix brother
>but a guy that's desirable but chose to wait
Literally me

>>84640915
That's cute and all but I'm still taking either a virgin girl or nothing.

>>84640915
>It's just a fact of life that most women nowadays are having casual sex
And I don't want them. What's the problem?

>>84640754
Yeah, I feel like most people don't get that many women are actually fine not being married. They actually are fine just focusing on career and getting dicked down on weekends by guys they meet on the apps.

>>84640978
Correct. Even with women their "fantasy" is more about a rich, hot guy (usually a prince) falling in love with only them. That's what women want, a hot, rich guy that only wants them. Any deviation from this is a cope/settling.
>>84640981
Oh yeah, women just have it so much easier than men. They'll get on men for looking at porn but not only do women just read their porn, they can just have actual sex a lot easier.
>>84641859
You can say or do whatever man, it's just life. Vast majority of women have sex by the time they reach 19. Even if you try and only date 18 year olds, the majority of them have already had sex. Some of you guys don't live in real life.
>>84641913
As long as you realize that this means there's a 97% chance (only 3% of women are virgins on their wedding night) you'll end up with nothing, be my guest. Also realize that number just gets exponentially higher the older you are.
>>84641918
Why, are you gay?

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>>84640754
uh, i dont want a relationship, but to be clear, i do not have a roster of men, i just think sex is gross and scary and i hate myself a lot and i dont want to be sentient so its much easier to doomscroll and play videogames instead of living in my body. some women are out for their own reasons you know

>>84642148
>Why, are you gay?
Actually, you're right. Let me rephrase that. I don't mind fucking a whore. I'm just not comfortable spending any effort on her or getting attached on any level whatsoever for one. I wouldn't go on a date with a whore. I wouldn't buy gifts for a whore. I wouldn't want to get to deeply know a whore on a personal level. I wouldn't want to get a whore into my hobbies. I wouldn't want to introduce a whore to my parents.

If these whores stopped demanding dates and connection as payment for sex, maybe I wouldn't hate them. Except they're in this disgusting grey zone where they're not virgins, they're not loyal, and they're not feminine, yet they're still expecting serious effort and commitment for access to their holes. It's retarded. You cannot have it both ways.

>>84642148
>As long as you realize that this means there's a 97% chance (only 3% of women are virgins on their wedding night) you'll end up with nothing, be my guest. Also realize that number just gets exponentially higher the older you are.
Obviously I'm aware of that. What, did you think you had a point?

>>84642148
>only 3% of women are virgins on their wedding night
You're telling me all I have to do is meet and talk to 33 women to find the one for me? This is a hopepill, if anything. That's legit doable within a year or two, wtf. I gotta go out more.

>>84642176
>play videogames
what video games do you play cute femanon

>>84640754
>, hanging out with their friends, and focusing on career/school.
yeah, there is no convincing women to go back to before. it would require isolating them independent of technology and outside people, kinda like how jews do. it's not possible democratically; women will not vote their privilege away. kek we are fucked

>>84640754
in my experience single women under 30 arent dating because gen z men are genuinely really low quality cuz theyre a very misogynistic generation.
Its tough to even work up to it cuz online I've seen vids of guys beating the fuck up out of a pillow cuz "this is what i wanna do when she rejects me"
Not to mention so many of them are so jealous. I wanna keep talking to my friends from childhood, not because I wanna fuck them, but because they play the same vidya as I do
And then theres the countless guys who want kids but don't really want to raise them. They just want me to give them kids in the country with this highest maternal mortality rate. Like am i even gonna live if I give you kids? Are you gonna push the stroller and carry the backpack on vacation? Are you gonna help cook or clean? Are you gonna expect me to do all those things by myself, but also get a job?
So many dudes nowadays are man children who dont want a wife, but a mother. And not just for their children.

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>>84642196
whoah hey, im not cute, you dont even know me, i just said a bunch of 'im crazy im mentally ill', you gotta be careful what you say is cute, that could be bad for you

but i play a lot of roblox games, i really like astroneer though i have to think real hard about the engineering, i like a game i found called flock around which is a bird watching game. my favorite game ever is life is strange because max is literally me and i wish i was that brave or good at photography

>>84642186
> You cannot have it both ways
Wrongy here.
Women can have both because even non-virginal vagina is thousand times more valuable and sought after than any dick. You want to fuck, she is alright with that but ultimately doesn't care. So your only option is using effort to get what you want. It is on you, the burden of your desire. She is not burdened by lust in the same way so she has a leverage and can set up any price. Basic pussy capitalism for ya.

>>84641913
Lol how old are you guys saying this? I could see it as okay if you were like 18 or 19 saying it. Still kind of silly but the naivety would be excusable. The sad part is you're likely 25+ saying this.

There's no roster of men, men are shit and they just have a better life not fucking any man.

I just want a loving gf so bad but I know it's not going to happen
Life is depressing

>>84642823
tbqh wouldn't a teenager be more likely to not care? It's when you get older and have been ignored by women for decades that you really don't want to be their last choice. I'm in my mid 30s.

I hardly care anymore, just master roshimaxxing at this point

>>84640754
i dont want to date whores anyway, they will all surely hit the wall and realize they are unmarriable anyway

>>84640978
>they pick the best one
i think it's more like, there's tons of rides they can get on.
and they choose the most appealing one, regardless of how long it will last

because they choose that top chad, who will fuck her for a month or a couple months
and then leave her

and they dont' really care, if it continues forever that ride or if it ends in one week or whatever
they simply don't care anymore to pursue something that has potential to last a long time
they only see that as a hopeful side effect

>>84643624
It's a shame that as a humans we're so fixated and limited by the superficial

It really makes me sad

>>84643659
yea, it seems that the woman strategy is to simply hope for the best until reality proves them otherwise

but in a sense it's the same for men
Men will message or swipe right on every girl they would fuck
and hope one chooses them

girl is the same way, except the people they inherently would fuck tend to be chads

>>84641918
Just really silly that you'd reject a woman for doing something 95% of other people her age are doing.

>>84643836
Flies flock to shit. Does that make shit desirable?

>>84642176
I mean like OP said it's not every woman but most "normal" women especially those with an IG have one.

>>84642186
That's what Chad does. Most men that actually know women understand that 90% of women are whores and just fucking around. Most robots think a single woman is only fucking one guy, but really a lot of women are fucking at least 3-4 different guys especially if she's hot.

>>84642187
Yes. I'm telling you it's very unlikely. As long as you understand that feel free to do what you want.
>>84642193
But that also implies that those women would have to like you back.
>>84642229
Yup. Only hope is a dictator coming into power that would effectively take women's rights away.
>>84642234
Here's the (You) you were fishing for
>>84642401
You got it. Men may get a bit of leverage back when it comes to actually getting married, but that has to be with a guy they actually like, and most women don't like most men
>>84642847
Women get horny just like men get horny
>>84643480
Life is full of challenges.
>>84643492
No, a teenager wouldn't care only if they want to get laid. A loser teen that wants to get married would care about body count and "body count" is something teen boys are insecure about. once you're an adult you realize women are all fucking so asking them about body count is retarded. DESU though, if you're in your mid 30s... You're already cooked, sorry to say. You won't be a last choice so much as you won't be anyone's choice. Most single men your age have been in at least a few LTRs that didn't work out or divorced. If a woman realizes you haven't even been in a LTR at your age they'll see it as a massive red flag even if they liked you and I'm not kidding.
>>84643524
Whores get married every day. You're coping
>>84643624
They understand they're not getting married to that Chad, they're actually fine with good dick for a few months and then moving on. The whole "heart break" thing is more of a high school phenomenon when they're virgins. By the time she's in her mid 20s she doesn't catch feels as easily.

>>84643836
95% is an overestimate, even 60% is too much. Data shows maybe 30% of women have 10+ partners.
There are 2 things holding them back.
1.) They're just not as horny as men, yes they get horny but not that crack addict type of horny. Especially since they know they have easy options their psyche is just more relaxed about it. No real urgency...except for chad.
2.) It still frowned upon to be a slut, and other girls, despite encouraging it, know it makes women look bad to CHAD thus reducing their the sluts chance to hold Chad down. Women like to make other women look uglier.

>>84644134
You don't need 10+ partners to constantly be having sex. A woman can have a few ONS, a situationship, and an ex she uses as a fuck buddy and STILL only have 6-7 bodies. Many women would also just use one Chad for their sexual needs while he is fucking 10 other women. Low body count doesn't indicate virtue.

>>84644146
Good fucking point.
>>84644096
Its the bitterest black pill, women can have their cake and eat it and there nothing you can do.

hehe nice anotha schizo thread

>>84644096
There no real move except never simping.Even then she'll still find a simp but at least for your own sake you'd have avoid someone can't genuinely love you.

>>84644190
Yeah, that's why guys caring a bunch about "body count" are just coping about what they really want which is a virgin. She could be a football player's "stress relief" in college, be in a long term abusive relationship for several years etc and her body count be "low" but it's not like she's free from baggage.

>>84644096
>By the time she's in her mid 20s she doesn't catch feels as easily.
In my experience, one of the most common sources of mid-20s female mental anguish is catching feels for non-committal Chad.
>>84644134
>Data shows maybe 30% of women have 10+ partners.
None of those statistics are reliable, women just lie about this. Promiscuity is heavily segmented. An ever-decreasing fraction do actually have low body counts, but women with a revealed preference for monogamy end up cycling through LTRs until marriage, so they're almost never on the market.

>>84644259
It helps you but for most men they either simp or get nothing.
>>84644266
Once she's over 5 bodies it's pretty much a wash.
>>84644267
For your first point, it depends on if she is looking to get married or not. Maybe early 20s she gets sad but by mid 20s she's usually okay with it. For your second point you're correct. The monogamous women are those girls that guys spawn camp them as "friends" until they break up with their bfs and then jump in as the boyfriend so they can have sex with her. A lot of women like this actually have higher body counts than the single women sleeping with non-committal chad.

>>84644096
>No, a teenager wouldn't care only if they want to get laid. A loser teen that wants to get married would care about body count and "body count" is something teen boys are insecure about. once you're an adult you realize women are all fucking so asking them about body count is retarded. DESU though, if you're in your mid 30s... You're already cooked, sorry to say. You won't be a last choice so much as you won't be anyone's choice. Most single men your age have been in at least a few LTRs that didn't work out or divorced. If a woman realizes you haven't even been in a LTR at your age they'll see it as a massive red flag even if they liked you and I'm not kidding.
cool

I'm going to continue not settling for a non-virgin woman though thanks

your next reaction will be something like "you'll be alone then!"

>>84642292
do u want to play astroneer with moid

>>84644339
okay i am being totally earnest when i ask this:
can you explain your thought process behind wanting this
i am very fascinated by the men of this board lalala please indulge me :] thamkies

>>84644339
If your past 25 that's a pipe dream. Hell if your past 18 its a pipe dream these days.

>>84644359
>can you explain your thought process behind wanting this
I'm not interested in being the rescuer for some shitty woman who wouldn't have given me the time of day when we were both young, especially since I've built up a good career.
>>84644409
cool

>>84644445
ok but how do you tell if a woman is a virgin?? the hymen isn't 100% reliable and she can lie
so like...... how do you tell???

>>84644339
It's just weird is all, there are multiple people even saying as much. Also anon this is lowkey why people tell you to "have fun" before settling down. If you have had multiple partners in the past, it stings less if she did the same.
>>84644445
Anon the thing is that she could have done the same. Steph Curry married a woman when she was 19 that rejected him when he was younger and she openly disrespected him.
>>84644458
The only way you used to know is from growing up in the same town and knowing their reputation. Nowadays people move around so much and can just lie to you about their body count and you can't really fact check.

>>84644458
Of course you can't be certain, but are most women hiding it?

>>84644471
>Also anon this is lowkey why people tell you to "have fun" before settling down. If you have had multiple partners in the past, it stings less if she did the same.
I couldn't get partners in the past though so what's your point? I was a late bloomer. I aged slowly and also didn't get my career off the ground until my late 20s. So what does people telling me to do X thing I couldn't do matter?

>>84644458
>>84644485
Used women see men from a much more utilitarian perspective, that's the biggest giveaway. They're used to using pussy as a resource. The bigger the bodycount, the more conflicted she'll be seeing men as humans. Their ability to pairbond decreases massively the more bodies they have, starting at 2

>>84644471
>>84644496
>Also anon this is lowkey why people tell you to "have fun" before settling down. If you have had multiple partners in the past, it stings less if she did the same.
Yes, but it'd sting less but the connection would also be less genuine and meaningful

>>84644485
Women can have a body count of 35, she will tell you 4 (her LTRs that are verifiable on social media) and it's not like you could call her out on it. Women know that men judge them by how much they fuck, but they still enjoy fucking.
>>84644496
Go to Brazil/SEA/Eastern Europe and get experience? If you're truly a late bloomer you need to fix that.
>>84644504
Most women see men like that. A woman could be a virgin and still just want a rich tall Chad to take care of her.
>>84644514
Everything in life has a cost.

>>84644471
idk reputation =/= truth? except if it's super obvious i suppose
>>84644485
ik why i'd do it? idk about other ladies but i could take a guess maybe
>>84644504
bros don't kill me but i sway around in being a misandrist and have the occasional "men are good for fixing the house and nothing else" type thoughts when i am truly going bonkers
where do i lay in this whole thing..... i gotta know....

>>84644546
>Women can have a body count of 35, she will tell you 4 (her LTRs that are verifiable on social media) and it's not like you could call her out on it. Women know that men judge them by how much they fuck, but they still enjoy fucking.
Ok, but that still tells me she's not a virgin. And even if they did start lying and claiming to be virgins, so what? Does that mean I should just throw my hands up and give up? I'm not doing that.
>Go to Brazil/SEA/Eastern Europe and get experience?
Why? I don't want "experience" I want love and lifelong commitment. Also tourists are bad people.

>>84644549
Aren't you mtf

>>84644564
am a biogirl but it's r9k so everyone assumes i'm trans or whateva

>>84644559
You don't have to "give up" but you do need to realize that they will change the number.
>muh love and commitment
Most people don't get that, half of marriages end in divorce.

>>84644602
Ok? I'm already aware women underplay their body count. And you do know the risk of divorce skyrockets if the woman has had sex with a different man before, right?

>>84644656
Yeah, but if you don't find and marry a woman while you're in high school, then you don't get this option.

>>84644682
Still going to try for it though!

>>84644706
Well anon I wish you the best.

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>>84644722
Thanks anon, I'll try my best.

>>84640754
She has a gorgeous body but I am not attracted to her face

>Does it bother anyone else that the vast majority of single women under 30 just don't want to be in relationships anymore because they already have a roster of men they're fucking?
I don't care for relationships, especially with the 'muh dating/outdoors' shit.
I just hate that I am not one of the men they are fucking.
Cutting off non-Chads from sex will have disastrous consequences.

>>84644546
>Go to Brazil/SEA/Eastern Europe and get experience? If you're truly a late bloomer you need to fix that
Nta but fucking prostitute isnt a valuable experience

>>84644706
Look for unmarried Mormon women lol idk where else you'll find a normal aged wife at your age. Most women (and men) have sex before 18

Are you also a virgin?

Why do incels post lies on the internet? Women are having less sex than ever. There are more sexless women than men.

>>84640754
No not really. My life involves almost no women at all. They are a non factor

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>>84640754
You sound like a hillbilly in the middle of nowhere.
This is ideal! I have never been anyone's public face till this day, everyone from my hometown got married for the sake of getting married.

>>84645389
I seriously hope you don't believe this

>>84645349
Nta but i dont live in the US, funnily enough my parents sent me some tradcaths instagram post advising european guys to go to the us to look for a traditional wife lmao

>>84644359
Non-virgins are gross and the idea of committing to one and loving one is repulsive. It's really not complicated.

>>84640754
No, Im glad they wont reproduce, we have enough worthless cattle anyway

I took the nihilism pill a long time ago.

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>>84640754
Friends to meet her social needs, academia to meet her status needs and chad dick to meet her sexual needs. Being a foid today is a good life.

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>>84640775
>you can just get a high paying hr job straight after uni
Good lord, thats probably one of the only benefits of AI, all those vapid useless HR whores will get replaced and fired.
>Bolt CEO fires entire HR team - blames them for creating non-existent problems
>We had an HR team, and that HR team was creating problems that didn't exist,
>Those problems disappeared when I let them go.
>going forward, Bolt will be operating as a much leaner organization and leveraging AI at our core.

>>84640907
>Women get horny and want to get fucked the same as men do
the difference is men can't just get it at the press of a button, and men default to just jerking off which to me is the more honest way of dealing with horniness. I believe having sex with a stranger to satisfy these urges is bad because sex should be reserved for special people you care about.

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>>84645509
The numbers don't lie. The entire incel narrative is destroyed by facts.

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>>84640754
>be inkwell
>be invisible to foids
>spend your free time thinking about the problems young women face in society
>somehow manage to get emotionally invested in it
>still invisible to foids
i only think about foids when im horny anon, and the only reason were in this mess right now is because too many people went out of their way to think too hard about foid problems in the first place

>>84640754
it bothers me but i can't do anything about it, so i just do what's best for me and enjoy the decline as much as i can.
collapse will come soon so it's best to make some good memories and enjoy some treats

>>84640847
>In my shithole country 80k a year is a times what most people make but we have the exact same standards as you guys in the us
how is that even possible? do these women stay abstinent until they find a foreigner or go abroad?

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>>84640798
>basically, can you blame them?
yes.
i can, i do, and i will continue to do so.

>>84646501
I can't help but feel that 18-35 is too general of a range for this to matter. I don't particularly care if 30+ year olds are having sex or not. Give me the stats for 20 year olds.

>>84640978
>they pick the best one
if they picked the best one they wouldn't be getting knocked around and knocked up and ghosted by literal criminals

>>84643836
if 95% of w*men jumped off a bridge because tiktok and their retard friends said so, it would improve society

>>84646601
Not they just date a foreigner or some top 1% guy like everywhere else ig.
We even have a trend where girls travel to monaco and hang around in the hope of being approached by a milionaire. Look it up.

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>>84642148
>you'll end up with nothing
what is the "something" by comparison? a brief honeymoon period followed by years of misery until the inevitable divorce.
the juice isn't worth the squeeze

>>84646634
The best one for them. They think dating some normal or sub 8 wagie is boring.

>>84642234
meanwhile gen z women say on dating profiles how they want men to "yearn" and "be obsessed"

>>84646501
Why arent they getting meters of dick from chads on fuckapps?

Can someone AI her to have decent H-cup tits?

>>84646501
https://aibm.org/commentary/gen-zs-romance-gap-why-nearly-half-of-young-men-arent-dating/
Uh oh baiterbros...

>>84646262
Same in my big progressive corpo. The make bs rules and keep telling girls at our company to rat men out so that they can justify firing them and shipping the jobs to india.
Idk if ai will replace them though because in my company they are a protected class

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>>84640754
Maybe 15 years ago, but now most of those "carrer womens" are having regrets about how empty their lifes could get.
Men on the other hand are so tired of that modern women attitude that they are now the ones who preffer beign single.

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>>84646262
>Bolt CEO fires entire HR team
Even Reddit is becoming redpilled on this

Yeah sadly it's the way of the world and going ot a thirld world country won't help since the virgins won't marry foreigners.

>>84645203
Better than being an incel. Lots of guys lose their virginities to hookers.
>>84645389
Nah, women are out here fucking. Women being virgins wouldn't be such a big deal if they really weren't fucking.
>>84645349
This, but even then Mormon women practice "soaking" which means the guy sticks it in and someone shakes the bed but he just isn't "thrusting". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VvuZcaAC2M

>>84645415
Why didn't you two get married? What happened?
>>84646501
It still shows that 80% of them have had sex in the past year. Vast majority are having sex. It's just that there are more obese, reclusive people.
>>84646084
Correct. That's also why they don't REALLY need marriage. They may do it because their friends do it when they get older, but it's not a burning need for most of them.
>>84646371
A lot of women will just use an ex or a regular booty call. The thing is they'll use those guys while they're also dating other guys for relationships
>>84646618
Yeah they need to separate it into 18-24, 25-29, and 30-34. I doubt a bunch of college-aged women aren't having sex. These stats are deliberately skewed this way because they want to give guys false hope that these women aren't getting cracked.
>>84646744
Those are the super fat obese single moms. The cute women are getting dick.
>>84647034
I know plenty of women in graduate school and most seem happy with what they're doing.

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>>84644359
I am a virgin. I want my wife to also be a virgin. This is 50% of of the thought process.
The remaining 50% is the fact that I would never be able to "get over" the whore past of a whore, should I marry a whore. Every conversation, every interaction, every intimate moment would be twisted and tainted by the fact that this woman, this woman whom I love, whom I have marred, who has born my children, was fucking and sucking some other man in her life. Those lips kissing my children? Also kissed chad's cock. That body which should be mine, and mine alone, was given for free to someone else. I would consider myself to be a cuck. I wouldn't be able to respect myself, and I wouldn't be able to respect her. Such a relationship would crumble in front of the reality that she is a whore, that some other man (or several men) remember having sex with her. Remember taking her virginity. Remember fucking my wife. I would hate her. I would hate myself for lacking the self control and self respect to wait for a virgin wife. I wouldn't be able to respect her, because she is a whore. Every single one of these issues vanish if I marry a virgin.
Also, I don't want to be a UBB.

>>84648159
Based and same.
I'd rather try find happiness on my own than date a non virgin.
Since I'll be 30 soon and am still a KHHV, It's probably gonna be the "alone" option, but at least I can look at myself in the mirror without feeling revulsion and disgust.
I'll just get myself a nice house with a large yard, do some homesteading, get a dog, potentially an AI robo GF in a decade or two, read books, play musical instruments, and enjoy life on my own.
Maybe I'll even do commercial surrogacy and become a single dad that way.

>>84648159
Basado.
>>84648359
Also considering surrogacy. Already 26 so I'm thinking of doing it in 4-6 years.

>>84648380
Do not rush with surrogacy, it's expensive and overall not worth it if you're content alone

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>>84648159
Same. I literally just don't want to. My goal has never been to just find any random girlfriend anyway, it has always been specifically a virgin like myself. None of my romantic daydreams, none of my wants regarding a partner, none of my future plans, etc, have been related to a non-virgin woman. The people who say I need to drop my standards to not die alone are missing the point. That's not the goal here. It's like telling me to learn to ride a motor bike when all I want is a driver's license. Sure, they're both forms of transport, but I don't give a shit about one of them.

>>84642234
>in my experience single women under 30 arent dating because gen z men are genuinely really low quality cuz theyre a very misogynistic generation.
Nope not at all. More and more young men are feminist leftists who reject misogyny and support egalitarianism. Women simply reject us in favor of the men who are openly sexist and toxically masculine but also make the effort to be desirable chads, and/or are lucky to be born tall. If women really cared about equality, a lot of incels wouldn't be incels.

>>84648426
Just as I will be able to give all of myself to my wife, I want her to be able to give all of herself to me. I will be able to give 100% of myself to my wife. Both good and bad. I want that from her as well. I want the awkwardness, the shyness of being naked in front of someone for the first time. The uncertain kisses that are eager, but inexperienced. The unexpected passion of a first sexual experience. The satisfying learning process for both spouses, teaching each other about our bodies. The absolute confidence that this woman is my one and only, and the joy that she can say the same about me. I want to live with her. Raise a family with her. Grown old with her. The foundation for all this is marriage, and coming into marriage with a perfectly pure slate is what I expect, and what I offer.
I couldn't live with the shame of looking at a woman and knowing that she isn't fully mine. That a part of her belongs to some other man. The pain that knowing she gave so much of herself away to someone else. It would tear me apart.

>>84640754
they literally all fuck blacks on the regular.

>>84648159
But she could still fuck someone else after marrying you even if she was a virgin when she married you.

>>84642234
Gen Z is objectively the top 2 least misogynistic generation throughout all of history. Millennials are probably slightly less misogynistic, but Gen Z is second. The equal pay act only came into effect 50 years ago. Every single man, no exception, saw women as lesser before that.

And yet, despite us living in objectively the single most gynocentric time in history, with the least misogynistic men in history, they are getting laid the least. What gives?

>>84648523
Beautifully written.
'tis a shame so, so many guys and men have a self-hating, used goods accepting cuck mindset that further encourages and justifies non-virgins, just for the sake of getting their dick wet.

>>84648553
>Gen Z is objectively the top 2 least misogynistic generation throughout all of history
nope. zoomers appear that way on the surface but got really sneaky and performative. in reality they embrace a thin veneer of feminist rhetoric to justify "going 50/50", which is ultimately misogynist itself. men and women aren't THE SAME, so expecting a 50/50, "just treat everyone the same" thing is misogyny. a lot of these men also use therapy speak and social justice language to argue that women should stop having preferences and standards and boundaries. just look at some of the incels on here for example who do the same thing. it's not really "anti misogyny", just "how can i try to bully women into doing what I want while appearing anti misogynist"

>>84648616
Even if you're spot on here (you're not), this is still significantly less misogynistic than any man before the 20th century throughout the entirety of human history. Are you retarded? We're the 3rd generation where women have actual rights throughout ALL of history. Your great grandma and entire female lineage couldn't have an independent bank account until 1975, 50 years ago. Women were seen and treated as second class citizens by default by every man, and it was completely normal. You're really claiming that Gen Z, the guys that grew up going to school with female classmates, listening to female musicians, getting their first fast food job with 50% female coworkers, that got told non-stop that women are equal and just as capable as men... is more misogynistic than any of the generations before this?

>>84648546
If I had a virgin woman to marry, I would be willing to take that risk. Besides the exact same can be said for marrying a non-virgin woman, and in fact I would argue the risk she cheats is even higher in that case.

>>84648615
Most men don't care because most men have had sex before so they realize most women have as well that's life.

>>84648745
I don't mind that. Let the manwhores get together with the whores. No one is complaining about that.

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>>84640754
>>84640775
You don't get it, all these women think one day they will marry one of these millionaires. They don't believe they are being used for sex, they believe it is "empowering" and that the nerdy guy in their college class who asked them on a date is the creep.

>>84648756
brootal

origami

>>84648750
Even if you aren't a "manwhore" chances are you'll end up with a whore, it's just statistics.

>>84648756
There are so many submid asian women that get fucked by white guys with yellow fever. It's also hilarious how she admits that what men go through is awful and "humiliating"

>>84644346
sorry, i super duper beat the game already. also guys on here are usually really pushy or edgy and i'm not good at being like hey knock it off, so anytime i add someone i basically just get bullied for like a week until they lose interest.

>>84642823
Id rather just be anti social and hurt society than be enslaved by society and get divorced by a foid that isnt even a virgin. Im not in denial I am totally at piece with being an enemy of you and this regime.

>>84650430
Lol no one is an enemy of anybody, it's just that being lonely is more dangerous than not having anyone.

>>84640754
>superstacy
>it's a high tier becky with bleached hair

>>84648756
Dumb whore still won't admit these men aren't in her league but being used as a cumrag is somehow better than dating a non chad.

>>84644346
>>84649832
> thread is about women having infinite options and living on easy mode
> woman walks in and ofc tries to make everything about itself
> pathetic beta who calls himself "moid" swoops in on it
> gets denied
Kek

>>84652422
That kind of just proves the point right? Some ugly attention-seeking foid can come in here and try to gain attention by being "not like the other girls" (is exactly like the other girls) and this dude tries to play captain save-a-ho only to be farmed for attention and rejected.

The fact that women can so easily do this (if it was even a woman) shows how desperate and lonely many men are.

>>84652693
They dont even need to. They can litteraly go on any app and have thousands of guys competing for them. Most of them attractive with good jobs

>>84651238
I've given up on women and I'm much happier for it. It's a shame because I don't think my grandparents deserve to have a miserable incel chud as their progeny and it looks like the home my grandfather built will go empty after I die but it's not like a 21st century nagbeast would understand these things either.

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>>84652422
i mean i wasn't trying to refute the point of the thread, i was just saying there's girls who are voluntarily checking out of relationships entirely, not just ones who are going casual only. idk why me saying "i do not want a relationship at all" and then saying i don't want to get a boy's contact info is confusing or seems hypocritical or something, i'm being pretty consistent here.

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>>84640754
in some ways, women's liberation movements benefited chads and rich men more than anyone else, including women themselves

>>84655214
This is by design. Feminism was backed by corporate powers from the start, and all major corporations are run by Chads and the wealthy. Feminism would have no power without male enforcers. Stop thinking of feminism as something women did (even though they're guilty and it wouldn't have worked if they weren't horrible) and start thinking of it as something elite men did to attack non-elite men.

>>84654273
You know we can all tell you're underage from your writing style, right?

>>84640754
relationships only benefit the man. the juice is no longer worth the squeeze in my opinion, women should stay single and just avoid relationships in general.

>>84652693
their "loneliness" is entirely self inflicted

>>84655572
>relationships only benefit the man
How? Literally the only thing a woman offers is sex. If men had sex on demand they would never date. Everything else related to dating benefits the woman.

>>84655572
>relationships only benefit the man. the juice is no longer worth the squeeze in my opinion, women should stay single and just avoid relationships in general.
Why don't you offer your perspective? Why are you being so vague? Tell us exactly what you think a man has to offer for you to benefit and to actively want to be in a relationship. I want to be a good partner and be attractive to women, if I am lacking, I would love to hear your actionable advice.

>>84655596
How much time have you spent building a meaningful relationship this month? Or do you just want all the benefits of one without actually giving a fuck?

>>84655568
uh. apparently not. lol

>>84655596
not her, but for me im just way too intimidated by the entire concept. the culture of dating is so high tension that it feels like agreeing to be each other's ambassador of the opposite gender since strangers are so hostile all the time instead of just being like "yeah i like hanging out with you enough to be with you most of the time." like oh god i have to be Every Woman for you instead of just the one you like most. i'm also really uncomfortable with sexual stuff and i just dont really expect a guy would ever be patient about it or not have super intense fetishes from porn so all together its like, just too much pressure.

i think like what to do to be more desireable in general is be socially open to women just to be friends or joke around too, dont make any woman feel like she's your sole tether to femininity in the whole world, the other thing is more personal and probably doesnt matter for you