Over 45% young women don't want to have ever children
Most young women are more attracted to women than they are men.
>>84646577Shouldn't women have an instinctual desire to have children?
>>84646591Not because marrying an average guy and not looking for a bilionaire werewolf mafia boss is a nightmare to them
>>84646577>Over 45% of young women don't want to have childrenBased.
Is it pretty much confirmed that Islam will win and dominate the world?
>>84646591herd mentality is strongerif they cant guarantee their own security they wont be able to guarantee their offspring's security so they need the herdif herd is led by jews who promote feminism and ourself infilcted genocide thats how it ends
>>84646577>most of the "intelligent" countries are having fewer and fewer kids>this correlates with the countries being feminist and allowing women access to higher education>the only places that dont have this negative population growth are places that dont allow higher education for women>any change in the downward pop trend for populations that allow women autonomy is unlikelyFunny enough it appears intelligence and feminism are dysgenic traits, once you get far enough.
>>84646611How were our ancestors so stupid to not see feminism for what it was, a jewish plague designed to destroy societies?
>>84646607Yeah natural selection is happening right now and feminism is being selected against.
>>84646629White women are holding "kill all men" signs while Muslimahs are popping out 7 kids each, its wild when you realize that west will be made up out of Arabic sharia emirates in 100 years. I guess that's the future feminists chose.
>>84646607Mohammad was so right
We're seeing a society wide shit test and western men failed.
>>84646607No because major parts of the islamic world have low fertility rates, most exceptions being those that came out of a war.
>>84646577>>84646581Both of these change over time and I saw it myself with my generation lol, it's a non issue when it's teenagers being polled. However a poll of adults in their 20s and 30s would hold more weight, and reinforce the point you're making.
>>84646627White people and your infinite suicidal empathy.
>>84646897Its more a Christian thing than a race thing. The latest wave of feminism started in South Korea and they have like the lowest birthrate in the world.
>>84646905It's a race thing, maybe in combination with being part of the anglosphere thing. Christian subsaharan countries and muslim subsaharan countries still do well, have been that way for longer than shit like Korea. When Japan's constitution got rewritten by the american victor, equality became law. South Korea will have had similar interests.
>>84646927>>84646905>race thing>christian thingIts literally womens education. That is the number one predictor of birthrates, a inverse relation to how many women have college degrees.
Why the hell are incels so obsessed with this topic? Its not that fucking deep lmao the human race will go on, its just going to change. You and your weird fanaticism
>>84646965Before modern medicine, asia and europe had lower birthrates than africa pre modern medicine purely because you need a lower tfr if life standards go up.
>>84647063>the human raceSpook.
>>84647063There is only one race, the human race, so no need to bother with humanitarian aid or care about gaza
>>84647063Humanity will go on but western civilization is done. Europeans will be a minority in their own countries within the next hundred years.
>>8464657745% is nothing, 100% of women dont want kids with me in particular
>>84647098>Be brown manlet>Move to western country>Convert tall white men>They are now allowed to marry your women and have haremsAre they stupid?
>>84647098This has happened many a times in history. Its not that deep man. Its just how it goes.>>84647088Equating population decline and genocide is very retarded. Fewer babies being produced is not a moral failing the way bombing civilians is.Bad argument anon.Do better.
>>84647115>This has happened many a times in historyOf course and every time a group of people becomes a minority in their own homeland they never recover. Europe is being conquered.
>>84647115>GenocideBut there is only one race and it is called the human race, and arabs are still alive by the hundred millions. The human race will go on, its just going to change. So why bother with helping them out, not saying you gotta be the violent party but why care. Xinjiang, gaza.
>>84647063>why are people talking about the very real scenario in 50 yearsI know you're lukewarm IQ waste of space but who is going to take care of you when you're retirement age? Unless we get robots, we are irreversibly fucked
>>84647167Nobody frames it in this way. You incels only talk about it in a race and religion and gender war type of way.But realistically speaking this is gonna deal a heavy blow on the world, a heavy blow that is very much needed since the earth cant hold this many people sustainably. Change is inevitable, it is what it is.>>84647146Its not conquering, its just moving. Nobody is genocide europe or America for that matter. People are just moving around. Everybody are people at the end of the day. Cultures change, and thats normal and expected.Why are you so weird about natural and normal things?>>84647147Declining birthrate is not purposeful mass murder. I could murder your whole family, the human race would presist, but id be a criminal. Youre incredibly retarded anon.
>>84647223You would be a criminal, but why would a nigerian person care about what you did in a european country? Would they send my family money to rebuild?Why then even bother with help if you aren't part of it?So its not that fucking deep lmao the human race will go on, its just going to change. You and your weird fanaticism.
>>84647223You can call it what you want but the people who support women's rights will be a minority in Europe in a century because they're not having kids or securing their border.
I'm having 3 with my Asian wife. The future is unironically WMAF.
>>84647223>But realistically speaking this is gonna deal a heavy blow on the world, a heavy blow that is very much needed since the earth cant hold this many people sustainably. Change is inevitable, it is what it is.A lot of countries in the global south are net importers of food and medicine and would implode if the current global trade system erodes. You can see it happening already with increased famines and outbreaks of disease, like ebola.
>>84647255You'll die anyway. Youre giving yourself away for the idea of a nation, and it is replacing what should be a village. Thats the reall tragedy, we dont know real community, only gay politics. Even if womens rights were to revert, they'd come back again. History is a tug of war.Youre being weird about all of it.>>84647252Again, youre argument is kinda ass. A community that helps eachother isnt necessarily built on common ethnicity. But values. NEETs might be ethnically European, but they are a net loss for society, a hard working thirdie nigerian is more beneficial for the community.This doesn't have much to do with ethnicity. Cultures change, people change, thats just human history. Again, do better.>>84647276Yes. And? My point of change still stands.Change is inevitable and it isnt that deep. Youre thinking about things that doesn't really concern our current lives, but a theoretical future we are not a part of.Nationalism is clouding your vision.
>>84646577polls are fake and gay and meaningless
>>84646577This will naturally balance itself out over the generations. On average, women who are genetically more inclined to want kids will have more, and those who are genetically less inclined will have less. People with natural anti-natalist tendencies will die off.
>>84647333Communities are limited in size even if there is a bigger overarching group. How are you a part of the same community as a man living in Hong Kong? You aren't. Which values are shared between a peruvian man and an uyghur? Base needs like wanting to eat aside? Zero.A hard working individual may benefit green line going up, but the human race will persist with or without him doing that.>Cultures change, people changeYeah and some cultures disappear, so why care if you aren't even part of it. There is only one race, the human race. Why should a nigerian man in belgium care about what happens in the middle east, especially if he believes there is only one race, the human race? Why would he use his money to help those people if the human race will persist? What would he achieve? You haven't given him any reason. So what would you tell him?
>>84647381Besides that it is charitable to care for others rights, and if youre somehow guilty it is obligatory of you to stop for moral reasons, not much. But collectively we do co tribute to what's happening in gaza due to companies and governments investing in it in some way shape or form. But nobody is doing that in Europe. There is no white genocide. if a culture disaperas naturally, it's whatever. Its natural. Its normal.But thats often not the case.That's all.This discussion is taking a bit long, so I fear I have to leave. Nice chatting with you anon.
People are suffering a malady of modern times, called "neural net model collapse". Rediscovered with the advent of generative AI, researchers realized that AI models trained on AI-generated output experienced model collapse. Devoid of the outliers and long tails of real-world data, the model's parameters clipped to zero or one, rendering it all useless. A similar phenomenon happens in human neural-networks if they're trained on human-made and other artificial data, instead of natural data. The pathetic shutin stunts his development with anime, vidya, porn, virtual human contact, and the confines of his little room, stunting his neural development beyond all repair. The inevitable result is all too common---seething, sexual perversion, and increasing suicidal ideation. Fortunately, there is no known cure.
>>84647421Who cares about charity, the human race will go on.And no, collectively we don't. Buying icecream from a guy who uses that money to make drugs does not make you a criminal. >if a culture disaperas naturally, it's whatever. Its natural. Its normal. But thats often not the caseBut even if it isn't natural, the human race will go on. It was very nice, and I hope you can set aside your weird fanaticism about specific cultures, compared to the one race, the human race.
>>84647433>Fortunately, there is no known cure.i cured myself and am very happily married now
>>84646626> >the only places that dont have this negative population growth are places that dont allow higher education for womenAsspull tho. First of all there is basically no such places aside from Afghanistan, and secondly the highest stable birthrates in the world are in Mongolia where women have all the normal civil freedoms even if slightly more conservative culture
>>84646626>>most of the "intelligent" countries are having fewer and fewer kidsexcept for Israel
>>84647433deranged people still can have normal kids, AI cant create not poisoned model.
>>84646577Business elites and politicians are the only ones freaking out about declining birth rates and population, because the more workers there are the less they have to pay you and the more slave labor/tax revenue/cannon fodder they can get. They're terrified of noomber not going up because their economic system will collapse without it.The thing is that all these people not reproducing are excess in the first place. Human society and the natural world aren't meant to support so many people, and we aren't collapsing so much as returning to a more natural level (actually still way above natural, but better). The less people there are the more you will be valued, both by other people and in terms of your work. Society and relationships will heal, everyone will make more money and be in higher demand, land and housing will be cheaper, food and goods will be cheaper, energy and utilities will be cheaper, stress levels will plummet. Cities might collapse but country people will be just fine and continue to breed. Hell, the Amish are having 6-9 kids on average, with many Amish families having like 15. Their population doubles every 20 years. White people aren't going anywhere, they're just not going to be leftist atheist urbanoids anymore.
>>84646577Why would I bring a child into a world that is unaffordable and cruel. That would just be selfish and stupid
>>84648772World was always unaffordable and cruel but its never been this fake and gay too.
In the future, I reckon there will be more single elderly women and left out middle-aged men. Every girl born will face high pressure starting and navigating society, whilst every guy born will find no partners available as women date up higher age brackets. I'm daydreaming lonesome solarpunk and/or Girls' Last Tour
>>84648761>They're terrified of noomber not going up because their economic system will collapse without it.just wait till you hear about industrialisation
>Teenagers on reddit don't want childrenwtf is this supposed to prove
>>84648862Anywho globalism will probably weaken as governments focus on more orderly shit. So expect more security, rationing, and no-fun-zones.
>>84648772Only city life is unaffordable and cruel. You suffer because you choose to stay there and suffer.Buying land and building your own house + infrastructure is way cheaper than renting, it's just more up-front than spread out. Then in a few years the costs disappear once you've built out and paid off your land. Your kids and their kids and their kids will never have to pay rent or a mortgage. Property taxes in sane states/rural areas are a couple hundred to a thousand dollars per year provided you don't have a McMansion. You can raise your own food, gather your own water and heating fuel, and generate your own electricity for free after the initial setup costs. Living rurally is damn near free for the second generation onward.>>84648867I can't wait for industrial collapse. I can't wait until we return to independent, self-sufficient village economies and unique, insular cultures/communities.
>>84647368Yeah just like how suicide should have stopped existing 200000 years ago.
>>84646577>implying I care about what r*ddit thinksgo back
So many problems could have been avoided if our ancestors kicked useless women out of the tribe instead of pumping them full of kids against their will ensuring their bad genes passed on.
>>84648948>implying insular cultures/communities are somehow without faultThere will always be confilt, within or between communities. This cycle of growth and destruction will always repeat till complete extermination.
we have a big world population already sir. nothing changes
>>84648155Israel is getting subsidized by the US. Why wouldn't you have kids if finances aren't an issue?
>>84647115>This has happened many a times in history.We have used up every bit of easily accessible energy storages and resources.Anyone who comes after us will NEVER make it even close to where our civilization was.Western civilization collapsing is pretty much the death knell of humanity.
>>84648948>Buying land and building your own houseI dont even have money for that >Your kids and their kids and their kids will never have to pay rent or a mortgageDo you really think with how the world is going we will even be caring about that shit. I cant even take care of myself im mentally ill and insane. I wouldnt trust myself in reproducing
Societies that cater to women the most are the ones that die faster. It's fascinating. I know it's disappointing, but women are more like a resource to be managed, not people to be catered to. Societies that decided who women would be paired with, and used them almost as something to barter with, are more functional and sustainable in the long term. Women never evolved to make their own choices.
>>84647458>the one race, the human race.This premise is wrong and you come across like a dogmatic religious fanatic about this issue. Since your premise is wrong, then everything after that is also wrong.Based on what you have posted about, you're stupid and incredibly naive, probably comically submissive to the mere appearance of authority, or imagined authority like social proof or collective shaming.I'm just going to ignore what you say and shake my head at your shit takes and wrong thoughts.People like you are going to die quickly anyway once the things which you imagine are true firmly prove they are not true. It's inevitable, a law of nature.You're also attaching some sort of naturalistic argument to a completely synthetic social environment, so that's another big oopsie of yours. Nothing you say is based on reason or real life, so there's no actual loss to rejecting everything you claim to believe and dismissing you as a person to listen to.
>>84646591no, because for the past 300 years women were forced to have kids or become prostitutes or nuns. most chose to have kids, but that meant that they weren't doing it out of instinct. women who dont have the instinct were still forced to reproduce. this is all temporary as now only the women who want to reproduce will, and by next generation itll be normal again.
yeah, having kids actually sucks.it's extremely painful, and will totally derail your life. no shit women don't want kids.
>>84648996A lot of bad genes were weeded out by infant mortality, both boys and girls. But it is true that women women evolved to be directed and led, rather than to make their own major decisions. This is part of why the complaints and dumpster fires only increase with their "freedom."
>>84649076It will take 3 or 4 generations really, but yes it will be sorted. Women who don't want kids, unpleasant and disagreeable women, women who are antagonistic to men, they're all being weeded out. Men who are too focused on pleasing women are also being weeded out.
>>84646591A lot of birth control literally makes the body think it's already pregnant.
>>84649032>There will always be confilt, within or between communities.Did I say there wouldn't be?>>84649072>I dont even have money for thatYou can get onto land for a couple hundred to a couple grand down if you owner finance. Monthly payments in the $200-400 range for up to 10 acres. You can easily make it work even on a minimum wage job. You can build a tiny one room house for a couple hundred to a couple thousand depending how fancy you wanna get. It's not a matter of money as much as it is a matter of will.>Do you really think with how the world is going we will even be caring about that shit.What you care about and stress about is individual to you. What you believe is not how everyone or even most people see the world. Not everyone is demoralized and afraid.>I cant even take care of myself im mentally ill and insane. I wouldnt trust myself in reproducingThen you're not the kind of person who will take matters into their own hands and survive into the future. Sorry to say it, but if you don't take responsibility for your own life and work to improve it outside of the system then you're going to be abused by the system and die out. Mental illness and insanity isn't an excuse or a way to get pity. No one cares about your defeatist victim mentality.
>>84646591No, women have only one desire, to get the most resources while doing the less possible.Kids are the social only responsibility that's left for women so they'll do everything at their hands to avoid it
>>84649076I am going to disappoint you anon but there's like half a planet worth of countries where women have same rights as 300 years agoThis "great filter" of yours will simply be nullified by them replacing filtered populations even if it wasn't retarded bullshit >BUT THEN SAME WILL HAPPEN TO THEM LATER!!!yup
>>84646577They're under no delusion that you can have the stable career you want and kids. Time wise it doesn't make sense, is a retarded question. Of course the men answer more positively because they still fully expect to delegate the entire childbearing task to the woman. Men are shit.
>>84646577>teenagers this will change, at least 50% of the women that say they don't want children at whatever age they are polled here(I assume it's between 14-18), will get baby fever hard in their late 20's or early 30's.Gay ass thread
>>84649743Women do less than ever, they do not just expect but actually delegate everything on their parents, and then deflect everything on men despite in many occasions doing less than the men they're complaining about
Population will decrease until quality of life increases.
>>84649763Why do teenage boys say they want a normal amount of children but teenage girls say the contrary? It has historically been the opposite
>>84646665White women are literally the most retarded women on planet earth>KILL ALL MEN!!! MEN ARE THE PROBLEM!!! MEN RUIN EVERYTHING!!!>what's that? 6 bazillion refugees(mostly men) need to come into our country? WELCOME! YOU ARE A RACIST IF YOU DONT LIKE IT!
>>84646786MoMo the Molester allowed for cousin marriage, the Islamic world as inbred itself into oblivion and likely won't last the 21st century.
>>84649797They have exactly the same objective that shitskins have. Becoming a client group of the democratic liberal state to parasite the society through the rents redistribution mechanism.Just like liberal jews, another group of self-destructive retards acting out of spite
>>84649076This is wrong, if we're taking about the west women were not forced to have kids, a significant portion of the population were unmarried and childless actually, so only those who wanted to and could afford to had kids. Women could work, women could also choose their husband. This wasn't enough for women apparently though, no, they must be able to have casual sex on demand with whomever we want even if this destabilizes society, they must be able to vote even if men who were being drafted couldn't vote. This idea that women were just maid sex slaves is just feminist revisionist nonsense. It's ironic how tradcons bought into this notion and wish to retvrn to a time where women didn't work so the man could be a paypiggy again (this wasn't the case because women did work). When women complain about not being able to work they're complaining that the government didn't mandate equity quotas so they could work in hr being busybodies who micromanage people. Businesses have zero qualms about hiring women, there were company towns during the industrial revolution made up of women workers. What would businesses give a shit if they actually did their job?
>>84646797Is there a way to fix this or is it too late?
>>84646577>Women hate having kids!Artificial wombs go brrrrr
>>84650652>artificial wombThat'll be $1,000,000 per child.Or we could just not perpetuate this globalist goyslave society. Population collapse is the only way we can start to heal humanity and civilization.
>>84650700>1M for a plastic placenta, nutrient tubes, and computer managed dosages of maconutrients and hormonesNah. Nice try tho.
>>84650700The only way to defeat goyslave society is to make people who are too high IQ to fall for goyslave society.
>>84650724Brother, you're only taking material costs into account and not the insane price inflation that would be slapped on by whatever company offers the service. The medical industry tends to rape you that way, if you haven't noticed.>>84650735We have more high IQ people than ever yet our society is the most slavish ever. Everyone is demoralized and devalued. Eliminate the surplus of humans and human value skyrockets. The people will have more power on top of living in strong tightknit communities. Large populations, industry, and technology allow parasitic elites to gain more power and exert more control. Without the large low-value populations necessary to maintain the modern globalized system their power will collapse.
I dont really care. I am a freak and outcast. Why should I care if the society that hates me collapses? Why should I care if women who have always hated me hate me even more? Let it all collapse. Ill be at the bottom either way.
