Can we just take a moment to recognize how retarded anti age gap arguments are? >power dynamics and suchThat's inevitable in any relationship, most foids seek more dominant men or men who provides more aka "high value man">shieee mane you don get pipo yo own age so you got for le kidsno shit? you couldnt have made a more obvious statement. I'd rather have an age gap than be treated like shit or indifferently by old hags my own age. maybe treat men better and they wont seek alternatives. >manipulation and shitPeople can manipulate other adults.Give me one good argument against agegap and I will change my opinion. I've heard most of your talking points
BTW teens arent kids
Those rations look good Yuuri
>>84712016>That's inevitable in any relationship, most foids seek more dominant men or men who provides more aka "high value man"absolutely true, desu most women are very stunted emotional maturity wise. not to say men aren't either, but at least in my experience its a lot more common for them to be stuck in their early teens.there is not that much of a difference between a 15 yr old woman and a 25 yr old woman, a majority of the time. >shieee mane you don get pipo yo own age so you got for le kidstotal cope by roasts who fucked 30 yr olds at 15 and men who were doing the fucking to try to gate keep the method from low value men.>manipulation and shitif we are going down this route, literally all forms of human interaction are at least a minor attempt at manipulation. it is very, very difficult to have a disconnected exchange of thought and feeling.
>>84712036True most normies are too retarded to see this though
>>84712043it all has to do with your intentions imo. if you are pursuing someone younger for the betterment of both of your lives, there is really nothing wrong with that. people know in their heart of hearts if they are looking to get in early on a good woman or if they are getting off on robbing innocence, taking advantage, etc. most ppl here aren't abusechads or abuselosers though. they just want a decent woman and most of them are already ruined by chadcock at 18. sad fact.
>>84712025Do you own any fumos yourself?
Idk man would you comfortable meeting your teenage foids parents or explaining it to your coworkers. Plus its more likely that your relationship would struggle due to being at different parts of their lives(ex: in college, while you're looking to settle down). Like it or not its a uphill battle esp due to how important their teens and early adult life 18-24 are in building their careers. They are just experiencing independence. Your position as a older person can easily influence them to make decisions that can completely derail/ruin their lives. Yes, they can get fucked up by teenage relationships but it is seen as less manipulative because those teens are just as young and naive as they are.
>>84712136I've yet to see a valid reason why autistic male virgins shouldn't be allowed to get with teens or young adults honestly, they are at the same level of experience and "maturity levels".
>>84712164The male autistic virgins aren't getting them tho, they don't have enough rizz
>>84712164a 30 year old autistic virgin isn't going to mature, once they are 30 their personalities are fixed
>>84712079Unfortunately not orgi
>>84712191I'm asking about the morality of it, which I think it's perfectly fine morally for a 30 year old autistic male and say a 19 year old got together. I can't think of any real harm or "power imbalance, if anything the 19 year old girl has more power inherently compared to an autistic male.>>84712204Ok? Not really sure how to respond.
>>84712136Sure but the alternative is dating some woman your age and knowing for the rest of your life that she wouldn't in a thousand years have dated you when she was young and pretty.
>>84712236Maybe you should ask for one during the secret santa threads if you cannot afford one
>>84712204A 19 year old would likely outgrow them, essentially wasting both of their time. Inb4-Women don't mature, that isn't a popular or widely believed opinion anon people will pelt you with rocks
>>84712016Because early adult women are all insufferable and stupid, have you actually had a conversation with one? Brain numbing at best, they are like teenagers who are figuring out how to not be retarded. When they reach 25 most of them become tolerable and some are even nice to talk to but maybe that's just me getting older. If you don't care about your gf being stupid and you just want a pretty girl by your side then sure go ahead and try to pick up an 18 year old but don't expect anything good, smart or entertaining to come out of her mouth.
Most people are just uncomfortable with how blatantly bleak and transactional such a relationship is>She wants a high value man>He wants someone young and attractive>Less likely to get along due to growing up with different cultures Plus most would assume the guy is a creep who just wants a young, malleable, bangmaid
>>84712294had an LDR with a younger girl, she eventually ditched me (unsurprised) and haven't had anything even close to a relationship in nearly a decadeI'll probably have to either get a doll or an escort, I'm finished
>>84712245>she wouldn't in a thousand years have dated you when she was young and prettyThen don't date past whores?Would you date someone your age and be happy with it as long as they weren't a whore and would've dated you young? You would be dissatisfied with them being old and unattractive. >but they're not a virginMost of the guys who desire virgins here are involuntary celibate. They are only pure because they can't get sex.
>>84712581your brain doesn't work correctly. even engaging with the concept of virginity as being a level field between the sexes shows this much. men have absolutely zero incentive to preserve virginity, ZERO. you will not find a single woman who genuinely cares whether you've fucked 10, or 100 women before her, so long as you have fucked a few. only exception being severe mental illness, but even a lot of turbo BPDs and such really don't give a fuck. women absolutely have an incentive to maintain virginity and limit sexual partners, they just don't give as much of a fuck these days because they are being encouraged not to. they still lie, and try to minimize past experience when trying to a court a man.
>>84712368eh>girl wants a guy who makes her feel special, understood, and safe>guy wants a girl who doesn't make him feel insecure due to gap in experience, is youthful, and has yet to be corrupted by the carouselultimately you can view any relationship as a certain form of transaction, using this argument is not really valid imo.
>>84712016>People can manipulate other adults.and thats wrong and frawned uponlook any power dynamic that is abusive is going to be looked with disgust by the outside. the issue starts when there is no abuse at all but people are judgyjust do you
>>84712016>sincerely listening to the arguments of slags>seriously considering them>internalising them to the point where you realize they're wrong>arguing against themI shiggy diggy. You're meant to nod and say yes, and then forget they ever said it, and do whatever is good and practical. You can't let yourself be limited by the trendy retarded opinions of women. They date older guys then parrot this sort of stuff, heaven knows if they even see the contradiction. I don't care to ask.
>>84712358i just feel like you really don't talk to women much i cannot lie. the difference between the average 18 and 25 year old is that generally the 25 year old is far more jaded and beaten over the head by life, but in a way that is much different from someone who posts here is by 25. they are less energetic, they are far less interesting unless you want to hear about all of their relationships, and they are usually packed full of baggage that they will reveal to you VERY slowly if they find you to be someone they'd ever spread their legs for.
>>84712079I have exactly 1 fumo that I bought 10 years ago.I will buy some vtuber fumos later.
>>84713470stop hanging around retarded women or stop acting in ways that make women act retarded around you
>>84713459you really don't have to consider about it much tbf.>when woman is youngi won't tell anyone!! all the guys my age are sooo boring... come on please can we please just date pleaseeee!!!>when woman is oldhow fucking dare you date a child, a 16 yr old is LITERALLY a child.the script flip is literally just because they aren't youthful anymore and demonizing anyone who isn't valuing them (wrongly) over someone more youthful is a good play to maintain their sexual value. its that simple. guys getting lost in the rhetoric is what they want. im happy to argue if it might make one anon who was too stupid or ignorant see the light.
>>84713533its genuinely like 1/10 women in their mid to late 20s who still seriously pursue hobbies while also having any interest with someone who does not get deemed chad by foidbrain. idk where you find women like that, maybe in real life but then you're working outside of my operation zone so good for you i guess. in my experience, girls from 16-20 are the least jaded, most interested in whatever little thing they like doing and are still interested in doing more. usually only have one or two relationship that has shaped them a bit by this juncture. i will say for me PERSONALLY, 16 is too young in 99% of situations regardless of legality, i do tend to find their total lack of emotional maturity a bit problematic but, i have def met 17 yr olds in recent memory who i wouldn't have minded dating.
>>84713512what fumo is that?
>>84713536Most young women are pretty against dating older men though
>>84713583has not been my experience. this is usually a shit test to see how much you care about her age, ie. if you like her enough to ignore the potential consequence or if you're a loser. they don't really understand that the only people who pass it are Abusechad or desperate losers, i guess. i mean, societally its not a good look for a 17 yr old to date someone in their mid 20s even if its technically legal wherever you might be in the US for example.
all arguments for age gap fall flat when you realize 100% of the time the people arguing ardently for it 1 wouldnt want to see their close ones especially daughter in one 2 will never be in one because it's always lonely guys doing chads biddingIf having sex with 12yos became legal tomorrow you'd still be in the same spot socially as before, it's just that tall and handsome guys will have a wider pool to pick fromAlso it correlates with societal collapse, women value youth as much as men so the only times they date older is when all options fade away>Muh most women died throughout historyFalse. Mortality rates were the same for everyone even during war. Women didnt miraculously survive slaughters and the lack of manpower to feed peopleHumans pop kids the healthiest when they're barely out of pubescence (14-20) also a +30yo person in either side of the relationship increases the chances of congenital diseases and autism greatly. Goes for both men and women
>>84713664>most womenMost men*
>>84713583I don't remember this being the case in hs
>>84713664>all arguments for age gap fall flat when you realize 100% of the time the people arguing ardently for it 1 wouldnt want to see their close ones especially daughter in one 2 will never be in oneactually, I think I'd rather my daughter marry a 26 year old at 18 than be a whore in her 20s and end up a cat lady, I don't think this is a rare preference either.
>>84713728>It's either this unhealthy extreme or that oneOr she can just be paired with his some well-adjusted guy in her class who gets good grades and/or does semi-decently in p.e . Or paired with any of her classmates really as long as they dont have a family history of crime.
>>84713720Why would you care what a few whores do? The only mfs that dated older men were retarded sluts. Its your problem for being surrounded or effected by them
>>84713720lol I remember being in highschool and hearing about girls bringing or messing around with older men, couldn't care less. They always had shit grades, were irresponsible, and were overall shitty people. I wouldn't want to date them as a teen or as the older man.
>>84713764>>84713754This lol. Only maladjusted people take prefferential sexual interest in their elders and i say this as one myself For the girls at 13-14 it means getting a guy a standard deviation taller than her classmates that's a "badass" who kicks ass or whatever.
>>84713770As a female or male stating this?
>>84713742>It's either this reasonable scenario or this ideal rarityNot even you believe what you're saying. I don't even recall many functional relationships coming from school also. Most guys in their teens are just coomers or retarded.
>>84713770the trashy slut archetype is pretty accurate. if you spend time with them you can just feel how valueless they are also. if you say its wrong your saying it from this detached in general point of view. spend actual time with a trashy slut you realize you should just let them do what they want. the rules for others are not the rules for them. sort of like how its wrong to kill people but we eat animals every day. they are different things.
>>84713795>Most guys in their teens are just coomers or retarded.Projection. You're just idealizing old farts because that's the social norm, most people never grew up past highschool.
>>84713802How many successful relationship survive past high school? It's exceptionally rare. I might be projecting but that doesn't mean I'm wrong, most of us as teenagers are unfortunately like that. It's just a normal part of life, when teens discover porn and start developing sexual thought they become irredeemable coomers for a few years because it's when nature wants you to reproduce the most.
>>84713824That's solved yet again by pairing a girl and boy together as early as possible.
>>84713832You mean forcibly? That's not a thing that happens in current society so we can't consistently rely on that unfortunately
>>84713742>whore around with guys who don't have the means t support herwhy would you prefer that? there is no virtue in dating ones peer over an age gap
>>84713839>forciblyNo one said that, lots of people marry their highschool or college freshman gf and thrive.
>>84713754They were indeed loose (or so I assumed), it hardly changes things, if you whore around with older or younger men, you're still a whore
>>84713844>paired>whore aroundThis just reinforces the idea to me that age gaps are just a sexual fetish for people who are aggressive about defending it and not an actual relationship with a solid baseJust becaus he "has money" (most people are poor lmao there's little financial difference between a highschool senior and a college graduate unironically) doesn't mean he will "provide for her". Pairing doesn't mean whoring around
>>84713847But that's exactly my point, it doesn't always happen. There's so many different possible outcomes for every single individual that talking about setting an ideal for everybody is just pointless. I think it would be easier if you just accepted different types of relationship can just exist and also thrive. Unless shotgun weddings return, your argument is going nowhere.
>>84713858>But that's exactly my point, it doesn't always happenI never said that, you're disingenuous and jewish thus unfit for discussion.
>>84713847>>84713847>marrying your hs gf 2%>marrying a peer from uni12.17%>>84713832what sort of retarded thought experiment is this? not reality.
>>84713863I have to start considering people who call me jewish after an argument insalvable retards because I'm actually anti-semitic.
>>84713856>university graduatewhy is a 26 year old now the same as a 20 year old? Regardless marriages should result from love and the free will of both partners. It should be socially stigmatized to remarry or divorce, or to not be a virgin on your wedding night. >paired You are playing pretend.
>>84712016>I'd rather have an age gap than be treated like shit or indifferently by old hags my own age. maybe treat men better and they wont seek alternatives.age has nothing to do with this, a younger girl will just treat you like shit too
>>84713884People like this are indeed retarded, I think twitter/ the sharty destroys some people's ability to argue.>>84713894No, they're nicer
>>84713900>NicerThey are the exact whores who put you in this situation, you are enabling them but from the end of older guy this time. They are only nicer to you to extract potential resources and status. Wtf is with weeaboos/spergs obsession with dating trashy bpd whores instead of someone they can relate to more
>>84713770somewhat true, but you may be underestimating just how many people are maladjusted at this point. regardless, you must look at this from the perspective of a non-normal man as well. even if you yourself don't fit into such a box, recall where you are posting. what the fuck does a well adjusted woman of any age see in a r9k poster besides betabux in their 30s? be realistic. >>84713802retarded take, you are detracting from the fact that most guys are like this in general, and that a lot of those who aren't grow in to it. you see very few worthwhile dating partners among men or women in a highschool setting, whether that be with eachother or someone older. but its the same at any point in life really. most relationships are dysfunctional and don't last long.
>>84713929Should have clarified, I am not OP>exact same whores who put you in this positionwhat position?>You are enabling them but from the end of the older guy this timeTeenagers can't provide for a family, you can do this in your mid 20s.>They are only nicer to you to extract resources and statusWe're only attracted to them because they're kind, have a lower body count (functioning pair bonding), are statistically less likely to divorce and have a large fertility window by that logic. That's how the human race moves.>Wtf is with weeaboos/spergs obsession with dating trashy bpd whores instead of someone they can relate to more>he can relate to women at allYour duty as a man is to understand and love your woman, relating doesn't enter the frame.
>>84713936>what the fuck does a well adjusted woman of any age see in a r9k poster besides betabux in their 30s?their physique. you ARE lifting like we've been saying, right anon? strength peaks at 30. To quote that proverb:>He that is not handsome at 20, nor strong at 30, nor rich at 40, nor wise at 50, will never be handsome, strong, rich or wise.
>>84713929NTA but>They are the exact whores who put you in this situation, you are enabling them but from the end of older guy this time.not true for everyone, for some of us it was family or genetics. over before it began, you could say.>They are only nicer to you to extract potential resources and status.not entirely wrong but lets not get into the extended conversation about the transactional nature of relationships overall. pure love is a romantic concept, not a reality. as much as it'd be nice if that weren't the case.>Wtf is with weeaboos/spergs obsession with dating trashy bpd whores instead of someone they can relate to moreare you fucking retarded? who else do you think gives them a shot you dumb nigger. its like you've never used this board before. 99% of men who aren't virgins or even just have had egfs have a horror story about a BPD bitch. its because that's all that bothers with us. """""Femcels""""" (fake word) want chad, you stupid nigger.
>>84713959birth control makes women attracted to younger, weaker looking men btw
>>84713955being a fit sperg might get you pussy but it's not going to get you a relationship any easier than otherwise. don't play dumb.
>>84713971honestly doesn't seem to be doing anything to detract from the motivations to pursue older men among younger women. what exactly is your point? i'm still a bit groggy.
>>84713978>He thinks relationships are harder than pussyBro is mixing up "incel" (reddit term) and "femcel" (caricatures of crystal cafe users we pull on one another), it's easier for women to get casual sex, harder for them to get relationships
>>84713987Wasn't related to that argument, I thought it was interesting how the two claims intersected>the only girls that bother with robots have bpd (are insane)>birth control (makes women insane) ruin their sexual tastes
>>84713992it depends on your value as a man if you are a guy. you are delusional if you think that being a fit sperg is going to get you anything other than a quick lay with someone who is waiting too long to get their next chad fucking. otherwise, any woman you could get you would have been able to get anyway without burning your life away in the gym. all good if you want to do that though, just don't do it for women.>>84713999the truth digits don't lie, i don't know. there are a lot of things about the modern world that make it awful for us, but heaven always leaves a way out. honestly i do feel very deeply that the best path to romance for the average robot is a bpd woman who has the right mental illness to be somewhat insufferable sometimes but never discard. you can either decide its easier being alone or be happy that, despite the nightmare, you will always have someone at the end of the day.
Yeah these are all dumb arguments.I'm not against them but there are obvious practical problems.Higher divorce rates.Higher rate of disorders, birth defects and pregnancy complications if either man or woman is old.Mainly those. But if you're okay with those risks it's fine, just know what you're getting into.
