Question for anonsHow do you know person from yesterday and you are the same? or person in few minutes is you
I used to worry about this when I was younger. Now, I don't understand the problem anymore. The same what? What is it that's supposed to stay the same, and that you're worried actually changes? "Me", my "self"? That's not really a thing, I don't think, just a sense or an experience. It's a useful rhetorical tool to help us think and communicate, but there's nothing to worry about.
>>84719809On the contrary, I know I'm not. I'm like a bottle of colored sand always being shaken up, sometimes getting a handful of new color, but keeping the old until it fades into static
>>84719839okay why are u worried of posting ur face on 4chan? going out and doing something dangerous?> The same what?the same experience of knowing that you now, past and future are you anon. Don't you feel regret of past and fear of future?> What is it that's supposed to stay the samethat's what i wanna know and apparently it's neuron pattern of brain but then if pattern changes are you same person from 9 years ago?>That's not really a thing, I don't think, just a sense or an experience. isn't it funny how the experience of self that experiences is an experience.>It's a useful rhetorical tool to help us think and communicate, but there's nothing to worry about.are you afraid of death?>>84719873why do u care then why not idk be a porn star or do what u like in moment like an animal
>>84719901>why do u care then why not idk be a porn star or do what u like in moment like an animalHow is that related? I'm just saying I'm a little different every day.
>>84719809I think it comes down to your own subjective feelings. Do you feel different from how you were yesterday? Did you make any sizable changes in your normal actions? If not, then I think it's safe to say that you are the same. The only time where this matters is over a long amount of time (months/years). You can try journalling your thoughts to analyze yourself over a long time since changes are usually gradual.
>>84719971"I'm just saying I'm a little different every day." what's different everyday the self? who, what or howhow is u dying from a knife any different from fact u already died a moment ago? how can u prove to me that u now is same person from 30 seconds ago>>84719976>I think it comes down to your own subjective feelingswhy do we trust our feelings? lets say we can stimulate part of brain where we can insert false memories and have u believe that it was you anon are you only going off vibes?>amount of time (months/years). You can try journalling your thoughts to analyze yourself over a long time since changes are usually gradual.how are you same person from a minute ago,hour ago, this morning anons how can u be sure that what happened in past was you other than feeling inside.
>>84720004>what's different everyday the self>how is u dying from a knife any different from fact u already died a moment ago>how can u prove to me that u now is same person from 30 seconds agodude put the drugs down and go to sleepYou're making so little senseIt's like you're not even human anymore
>>84720021no anwser the question how are u same person from a minute ago? how do u know this? if self exists, you exist than how are you for sure that person 1 minute ago is same as me
>>84720034that was never my assertion. I was saying almost the opposite, that I'm always changing.Seriously go to sleep schizo. I'll close the tab with you.
>>84719809>How do you know person from yesterday and you are the same?I define 'same' such that this is the result. Any definition that doesn't result in this being the case is ultimately self-destructive. Your self-esteem depends on your past and your expectations for the future, and society only functions because most people believe this to be the case.True maturity is realizing that if you only have today to live, and you're only where you are because yesterday's you died peacefully and left you many things, it would be disrespectful to him not to build a better life in that one day you have, and go to bed happy you can pass a good life on to the next you.
>>84720054>that I'm always changing.what's changing? the soul, mind,body which is "you" instead of running face the truth
>>84720072>True maturity is realizing that if you only have today to live, and you're only where you are because yesterday's you died peacefully and left you many things, it would be disrespectful to him not to build a better life in that one day you have, and go to bed happy you can pass a good life on to the next you.why is it a day? why not every second? every time you feel different? or everytime you blink?what's the frame rate of your "self" "consciousnes" why do you feel obligated to die for new you? why dont u just go out running naked on street and saying i died when we all died by time you read this.. Do you remember the r9k post u posted 10 hours ago on a thread that is archived? do you remember when you went to bathroom this morning and how it felt? what connects you to now and 1 minute ago
>>84720118stay in school billy
>>84720154>>84720073im 25 yrs old no need to belittle me but i just died so that wasn't me but previous iteration of me so it doesn't matter so i hold no ill will against you. That was not me but another "me" A CLONE, COPY MUTATION AND IM NEW ONE ACTING IN ITS PLACE THIS IS HELL WE ARE IN HELL CONSTANTLY DYING AND MOST OF U ARE IN ILLUSION THAT U ARE SAME PERSON OVER LIFETIME
>>84720118>why is it a day? why not every second? every time you feel different? or everytime you blink?what's the frame rate of your "self" "consciousnes" It is a continuous gradient.>why do you feel obligated to die for new you?It's not a matter of obligation. Death is inevitable. Legacy is the continuation of life beyond your own span of time.
>>84720194I don't think you'll ever meet an old man that will tell you "I was the same man my whole life".
>>84720263>It's not a matter of obligation. Death is inevitable. Legacy is the continuation of life beyond your own span of time.why though? what drives u>It is a continuous gradient.of what? what's substance, the essence>>84720298do you regret the past old man? do you associate ur old feelings with current you?
>>84719809we're constantly evolving, constantly progressingand we're not a singular entity as far as time is concerned, we have past, present, and future selves (hell maybe even alternate selves for all we know)my past selves and my current self are all me, at different stages of our growth
>>84720313>my past selves and my current self are all me, at different stages of our growthhow do u know?
>>84720004>why do we trust our feelings?If you can't trust your feelings then what are you supposed to trust?>lets say we can stimulate part of brain where we can insert false memories and have u believe that it was you anon are you only going off vibes?What else could I possible go off of? I don't have a physical way of proving anything so I don't know how to answer this.>how are you same person from a minute ago,hour ago, this morningI don't feel like the things that I have experienced today have changed my way of thinking or feeling in a meaningful way and so that's why I think I'm mostly the same person. If you want, you could say that I have changed by 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000001% or something like that but I don't think its really worth counting.
>>84720394>If you can't trust your feelings then what are you supposed to trust?schizos trust their visions and voices how are we any different other than fact we believe it to be true?>What else could I possible go off of? I don't have a physical way of proving anything so I don't know how to answer this.then how are u so sure u exist>I don't feel like the things that I have experienced today have changed my way of thinking or feeling in a meaningful way and so that's why I think I'm mostly the same person. If you want, you could say that I have changed by 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000001% or something like that but I don't think its really worth counting.so ur basing this on an emotion? feel it but why do u trust that feeling? what makes u so sure that your same person? can u remember exact thoughts, feelings and idea u had 25 minutes ago? if not then why are u and that person the same? ur talking now to me but did u pick these words cause they felt right too? how did u choose them? is ur whole life just vibes?HOW DOES THIS NOT SCARE U? r all of literally mindless
>>84720375hmm... that's a better question than it looks likebut i think that a logical explanation would be that they all led me to my current self, any "past self" that can lead to my current self (or an alternate self) is "me"a more "esoteric"/"spiritual" answer (but less logical) would be that we're all connected through the same "being"but it gets more logical if we think about our "true selves" as a higher dimension being that can exist in multiple spacetimes at once, not unlike some spiky surface over a paper sheetif we were 2d we'd only see several points with apparently no connection to each other, but are all part of the same entity, we just wouldn't be able to see or fathom itas 3d beings we can see that, but if our "true selves" is a 4d or higher being, then it starts to make more sense
>>84719809I don't know this confuses me I have always had many questions about time
>>84720308>>It's not a matter of obligation. Death is inevitable. Legacy is the continuation of life beyond your own span of time.>why though? what drives uAnimal instincts and aesthetic appreciation for existence>>It is a continuous gradient.>of what? what's substance, the essenceI don't know and I don't think it matters much.>do you regret the past old man?Some things, but not most>do you associate ur old feelings with current youMy current self reflects on those feelings. Sometimes I feel echoes of them. Those feelings helped inform the decisions that made me who I am today. I can only be grateful to them.
>>84720447>that they all led me to my current self,what is this self? can u give me attributes of this self anon>any "past self" that can lead to my current self (or an alternate self) is "me"so is clone with same memories of you also same as past you? would a machine that replicates you then teleports you also be the same? what is the thing that is remaining same across selves over years anon? when did this self become aware of itself? did u wake up one day to the world and notice it>a more "esoteric"/"spiritual" answer (but less logical) would be that we're all connected through the same "being"but it gets more logical if we think about our "true selves" as a higher dimension being that can exist in multiple spacetimes at once, not unlike some spiky surface over a paper sheetso a soul of some sort that no one can prove then? how are u aware of this soul anon is it a feeling like an emotion
>>84720505>>that they all led me to my current self,>what is this self? can u give me attributes of this self anonIt is the process that builds the internal representation of reality that is my experience, and all of its biological support systems.
>>84720429how are we any different other than fact we believe it to be true?I'm not sure. I really could be just like them but more socially acceptable.>then how are u so sure u existI never said I was sure. This current "existence" or what I feel is my existence is all that I know. All of this stuff could be fake and I would be completely clueless.>ur talking now to me but did u pick these words cause they felt right too? how did u choose them? is ur whole life just vibes?I picked these words because I thought about my feelings, picked out words that I think describe them in a way where you could possibly understand me.>HOW DOES THIS NOT SCARE U?Do you want me to be scared? At the end of the day, this is all that I know and I don't know what else you're really expecting of me.>r all of literally mindlessWhat makes you think that OP? I think about things all the time but you wouldn't know unless I told you and you believed me.
>>84719809It's all I can understandNothing else would make sense
>>84720549>It is the process that builds the internal representation of reality that is my experience, and all of its biological support systems.so is this process stagnant? if it's a process then the self is constantly changing like fire flickerin, screen frame rate or wind currents. So are you same person as yesterday? if so what makes u say that without including ur feelings>>84720552>I never said I was sure. This current "existence" or what I feel is my existence is all that I know. All of this stuff could be fake and I would be completely clueless.okay why not jump off a bridge what stops u if u think there's slight scenario it's fake>I picked these words because I thought about my feelings, picked out words that I think describe them in a way where you could possibly understand me.what part of u picked them and why? where did those thoughts come from? how did u pick thoughts that chose thoughts to type out>picked out words that I think describe them in a way where you could possibly understand me.so u picked out words from thousands in ur vocabulary in a minute or two?>Do you want me to be scared? At the end of the day, this is all that I know and I don't know what else you're really expecting of me.to question self that we don't exist that there's no self u can point to anon. Here's scenario imagine urself as rich, powerful and handsome how does that make u feel? what if u were model, artist, musician how would that make u feel?>>84720604is it cause u dont dare to try? does it scare u that death happens all time and connection between selves are figments of memory
>>84720505>what is this self? can u give me attributes of this self anonthat's a trick question, i can tell you about my current "self" but i can't tell you what it isi am me, at its simplest and most accurate answer, but that just loops back to the questioni can tell you i am a guy, a game enjoyer, that i appreciate certain kinds of music, that i hate peas and like cheese, etc.those are all parts that compose my current "self" (traits or behaviors), but not the full pictureyour "self" is something that you just know, and that only you understand fully, but you can't have anyone else achieve that same level of understanding>clone with same memories of you also same as past you?it could be, if we disregard the "esoteric" aspectif we address it, it could never be unless connected to my "true self" (which i'm not sure i would know, being a simple intersection of the being)>what is the thing that is remaining same across selves over years anon?i suppose, my consciousnessmy awareness of things, the "spark of life" that experiences things, thinks about them; that is shared with my previous selves but our experiences shape us, change us>did u wake up one day to the world and notice iti'm not sure i remember that far backmaybe we become aware still in the womb, since we're already born with a lot of our traits and behaviors that make ourselves "us">how are u aware of this soulyou know your "self" exists, as said at the start of the postif that "self" is an intersection of your being, then you already know it's there
>>84719809Enjoy your pol copypasta:Time does not exist to the nigger, there is only the present, the now. A cop yells, "do not run I will [in the future] shoot!" This phrase is meaningless to the nigger. In the nigger's mind he has two choices: be detained by the cops, or run and be free. That the cop will start shooting 5 seconds into the future is incomprehensible to the nigger. Niggers are living in a science fiction parallel universe where there is no continuity with themselves 15-seconds into the future. As a White man you think you are still you 15-seconds in the future, not so to the nigger. The nigger sees no relation to himself 15-seconds in the future, it is a completely different person. Their interests are unrelated if not opposed.Once you understand that a nigger cares as much about himself 15-seconds into the future as you do about some random nigger, all of a sudden all a nigger's decisions makes sense. Why go into obscene amounts of debt for some chrome rims? Some other random nigger will have to pay it back instead of you. Why rape some random White girl? Some other random nigger will go to jail not you. Etc. Niggers are literally free of all consequences for their actions as they've broken the cause effect chain through nigger magic.Now you can also appreciate the injustice of niggers being shot or put in jail. If a nigger shot at a cop 15-seconds ago, that was a completely different random nigger to the nigger. The nigger getting shot was just living his life (in an alternate universe where you forever live in one moment) and is now being shot for literally no reason.
>>84720635>that's a trick question, i can tell you about my current "self" but i can't tell you what it ishow is it a trick question?>i am me, at its simplest and most accurate answer, but that just loops back to the questionand u know this how?>i can tell you i am a guy, a game enjoyer, that i appreciate certain kinds of music, that i hate peas and like cheese, etc.those are traits you got from interacting with others so if u were raised in different state, neighborhood or had no internet access would u now not exist?>your "self" is something that you just know, and that only you understand fully, but you can't have anyone else achieve that same level of understandingu know how?>i suppose, my consciousnessu lose consciousness when u sleep though so is u from yesterday and u now the same?>i'm not sure i remember that far backbut wouldn't that be very significant to become aware one day? u open ur eyes to the world and notice urself>you know your "self" exists, as said at the start of the postu dont anwser how u know it exists? explain what it is or how it works>>84720639>A cop yells, "do not run I will [in the future] shoot!" This phrase is meaningless to the nigger.this makes no sense since nigger stole chromes to pawn them off and have money be used to benefit himself so he did think into future. >Once you understand that a nigger cares as much about himself 15-seconds into the future as you do about some random nigger, all of a sudden all a nigger's decisions makes sense.why steal so nigger in future can benefit?
>>84720612>so is this process stagnant?It both changes slowly over time and comprises parts that change rapidly to produce stable but malleable patterns in aggregate.> if it's a process then the self is constantly changing like fire flickerin, screen frame rate or wind currents. False dichotomy. Systems can have multiple layers of aggregation with different levels of stability.>So are you same person as yesterday?Yes. >if so what makes u say that without including ur feelingsFeelings are independent events. The kind of feelings you have are more or less permanent, the way you feel about certain people and things is semi-stable, individual emotional reactions are less stable than that, and the way you process and think about your feelings in the moment can change quickly. Yesterday's hunger isn't today's hunger, but it's the same type of hunger.
>>84720675>how is it a trick question?i explained it right after>and u know this how?it's right there toothink about all the stuff that makes you "you", can you describe it in one go?>those are traits you got from interacting with othersi don't think me interacting with others made me like cheese, for instanceour environment and interactions add to our traits and behaviors true, but there's a set that comes from birthwhere do those come from?>u lose consciousness when u sleep thoughmore so it "pauses", it's not a process where it gets destroyed and recreatedit's like if you watch a video and pause it, then resume the next day, is it the same video?>wouldn't that be very significant to become aware one day?maybe my kid self would remember that, but i've already progressed to a point where that memory of "awakening" is gonesuch is life, we forget some things to give way to othersi think the fact that i'm aware of my current self is more important than when i first realized it>u dont anwser how u know it exists?i'm currently aware of myself, the "spark of life" previously mentioned, that interacts with the world at large through my memories, mind, and sensesi'm aware it exists, thus i know my "self" existsand if that "self" is part of a larger being then there's part of your "soul", so to speakanyway anon, hopefully you can gleam some insight off my schizo ideasi have to sleep, thanks for the opportunity lol
>>84720787>think about all the stuff that makes you "you", can you describe it in one go?and i would say different thing a year later>i don't think me interacting with others made me like cheese, for instancethe fact u ate cheese in first place is cause of where your raised in. >our environment and interactions add to our traits and behaviors true, but there's a set that comes from birthso those traits plus enviroment make "you" then?>more so it "pauses", it's not a process where it gets destroyed and recreateddifference between pauses and ceases is what? ur using different terminologies for same thing and can u mention any biological process or anything in world that pauses? why is consciousness the exception?>i think the fact that i'm aware of my current self is more important than when i first realized itso the thing that makes you you isn't important enought to remember but ur sure its real?>i'm currently aware of myself, the "spark of life" previously mentioned, that interacts with the world at large through my memories, mind, and sensesur memories, senses and mind are experiences without them what would be left? can u point to the thing noticing it, can u describe it, where do u feel it?>i have to sleep, thanks for the opportunity lolwhat if u die tonight? u realize u die everytime u sleep since ur conscuousness reboots and new you is made. Do you really wanna die
>>84720612>why not jump off a bridge what stops u if u think there's slight scenario it's fakeThere's a chance that its real and I'm too scared to die.>what part of u picked them and why? where did those thoughts come from? how did u pick thoughts that chose thoughts to type outWhatever part of my brain / mind is responsible for converting feelings into thoughts and words. I don't have a real name for it so we can call it the "language processing" part of my mind. It unconsciously analyzes my feelings and then proposes ways those feelings can be expressed in spoken word to the conscious part of my mind. I think about the words and their meanings and then say them if I think it matches. It's not perfect though.>so u picked out words from thousands in ur vocabulary in a minute or two?I mean I can take all day and look through some dictionaries to try to create the perfect sentence, but I don't feel like it right now and so I won't. You might not even still be here if I did that.>how would that make u feel?That would make me feel really cool and happy.
>>84720733>It both changes slowly over time and comprises parts that change rapidly to produce stable but malleable patterns in aggregate.if it changed then it's not you now is is it? if u change ship day by day there's a point where it's no longer same ship it once was so the self is changing defeats idea of stable self that exists until death.>False dichotomy. Systems can have multiple layers of aggregation with different levels of stability.fire is stable until it's fuel extinguishes but is fire from hour ago the same fire from 2 minutes ago? why would ur experience as a self somehow which is a process contain an essence that remains over time?> Yesif soemthing is changing then it's not identical>Feelings are independent eventsfeelings aren't independent events they arise from stimuli>he kind of feelings you have are more or less permanent, the way you feel about certain people and things is semi-stablewho controls this stability?>e, individual emotional reactions are less stable than that, and the way you process and think about your feelings in the moment can change quickly. Yesterday's hunger isn't today's hunger, but it's the same type of hunger.how are u sure hunger from yesterday is different but being self isn't?
>>84720877You seem to be under the mistaken impression that there's anything material that is unchanging. Things changing enough to be considered something else is the exception, not the norm.
