Nature is so fucking ugly. Consider this:>Did you know that the average moose has around 50,000 ticks and they can range in number typically from 30,000 to 90,000 for the most severe bodily infestations. They cause the overwhelming majority of moose calf fatalities by causing infections and blood loss and harass the deer family in general because of their large blood supply. Winter ticks specifically can persist on deer through winter, and if they are not on a deer, they hide in the environment and can survive dormant through all but the coldest winters. These ticks can infest the eyes and ears of deer, degrading and perhaps destroying their senses.God is pure evil. How is this a being that people want to worship? I basically have zero appreciation for nature because it's so ugly and horrible, and every time I am reminded of nature, I am also reminded of its creator, God, and how ugly and horrible he must be too. Nature can't be that great if man has spent his entire history trying to escape it via civilization. Hunters and other outdoorsman I simply don't understand too. What there is to like about the outdoor activities that they do? Whatever beauty exists in nature serves only to make the ugliness all the more ugly.
>>84762993Gods thoughts on the matter is Genesis 6:6-7
>>84763030If God regrets his creation so much according to those verses, why are we still here in this fashion? I'll tell you why. Because the relationship between man and God is best captured by a deer and a tick.
>>84762993you're just looking for something to be mad about anon
>>84762993true there is no god though but if there was you'd be rightfully mad>>84763083op is right
>>84762993Don't look into viral reproduction. Don't look into parasitism in ants.It's fucking horrifying. When I open my eyes all I see is horror
>>84763083>points out sources of suffering in creation that didn't have to be there>YOU'RE JUST LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO BE MAD ABOUT ANONOk, bru. >>84763124>there is no god All the richest and most powerful people in the world worship God and do secret occult rituals and sacrifices to him. You have to wonder why that is. People who go to church everyday worship God too. It's the same guy playing both sides.>>84763126I come from a biology background so I have heard of such terms before. Truly, if one is honest with themselves, they will see a circus of horrors where life is forced to compete with and prey on each other. The Darwinian race.
>>84762993i bet that petting that deer neck would feel real nice, like a plush toy with polished pebbles in the fur
>>84762993bill gates isnt godmore like the devil
>>84763169>Truly, if one is honest with themselves, they will see a circus of horrors where life is forced to compete with and prey on each other. The Darwinian raceIt's fucking nightmarish. I explain this to neurotypicals and they say I'm a pessimist.WTF? No you don't understand... Just LOOK. How do you handle knowing about things like Teleutomyrmex schneideri? Or that they repeatedly evolve in nature over and over again?These things, these cold mechanical nightmarish things, undermine all human intimacy and warmth for me. The entire human social layer is a cope. A delusion. A comforting lie to prevent us from falling into insanity. Knowing the material horror that surrounds us and determines everything in our lives. To fully comprehend it is evolutionarily unwise. It makes sense that only the most crazed among Us are bothered by reality itself
Ticks are awesome, it's literally the triumph of the small community over the big power in nature.
>>84762993owned, moose and deer are herd animals where alphas push the old and the weak to the outskirts of the herd where they can get predated. thank you mr tick for doing god's work
>>84763210That's disgusting, anon. The sight of those ticks makes my skin crawl. Literally. I am trypophobic. >The entire human social layer is a cope. A delusion. A comforting lie to prevent us from falling into insanity. Knowing the material horror that surrounds us and determines everything in our lives. To fully comprehend it is evolutionarily unwise.
A fish parasite, the isopod Cymothoa exigua, replacing the tongue of a Lithognathus
>>84763264Whoops, I meant to reply to you too in my >>84763323 post.
>>84763323Can you direct me to this video? This is amazing and I need to dig deeper. It is exactly how I perceive the world but articulated much more clearly
>>84762993Its a metaphor. Deer is Earth and ticks are humanity. Really makes you think
>>84763336Thank you, yes that is great. I believe a lot of great "Mad geniuses" of history were in fact completely and dangerous sane. "Sane" as in that were closer to perceiving reality for what it actually is vs. the comforting evolved delusions of the neurotypical, average intelligence mind
>>84763343I saved it from some other guy who posted it many months ago. I am not sure what the source of the video is.
>>84763169They worship Saturn/Remphan/Satan, not God.
>>84763370The god of this world is the Devil/Satan, otherwise referred to as Yahweh by the Jews and Yaldabaoth by Gnostics.As far as some higher god like the Monad is concerned, I am less certain of their existence and the nature of it.
>>84763369I found the video thanks to Gemini, lolhttps://youtu.be/Aslkp6J-EdE?t=577Go to 9:30 if timestamp fails.Here's the original tweethttps://x.com/i/status/1990974956784791713
>>84763480> Does natural selection favor veridical percepts-those that accurately (if not exhaustively) depict objective reality? Perceptual and cognitive scientists standardly claim that it does. Here we formalize this claim using the tools of evolutionary game theory and Bayesian decision theory. We state and prove the "Fitness-Beats-Truth (FBT) Theorem" which shows that the claim is false: If one starts with the assumption that perception involves inference to states of the objective world, then the FBT Theorem shows that a strategy that simply seeks to maximize expected-fitness payoff, with no attempt to estimate the "true" world state, does consistently better. More precisely, the FBT Theorem provides a quantitative measure of the extent to which the fitness-only strategy dominates the truth strategy, and of how this dominance increases with the size of the perceptual space. The FBT Theorem supports the Interface Theory of Perception (e.g. Hoffman et al. in Psychon Bull Rev https://doi.org/10.3758/s13423-015-0890-8 , 2015), which proposes that our perceptual systems have evolved to provide a species-specific interface to guide adaptive behavior, and not to provide a veridical representation of objective reality. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33231784/AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHJHH FUCK JUST BEE YOURSELFEVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON BRO
Survival of the fittest distorts our perception of reality. Objective understanding of reality = evolutionarily unit for survivalhttps://youtu.be/XSD62oZMzQQ
>>84762993I have an urge to pick at the ticks and squish them
>>84763480thanks anon, good work
>>84762993Fuck deer and fuck ticks, nigga
>>84763264>It's fucking nightmarish.Anyone who has peered at the biological world under the surface level of "look at X animal at the zoo, how cool" knows the grotesque horror show that is life. Non stop devouring by the billions every second.Manta rays slurping up crabs off of the ocean floor to crush them against their bony mouth plates. Owls ripping apart four or five live rodents every night to feed their young that stand ankle-deep in nest feces. Chimpanzees biting the heads off of live monkeys when they aren't even hungry.The parasites... ticks are only external parasites. Every wild animal is crawling with fucking burrowing worms on the inside. Cut open any ocean fish and parasites wriggle out of the flesh, the stomach, and the mouth. Birds, insects, mammals, nothing is excluded. Not even men.This is the true horror of life. The fact that were are part of it and we are born of it. Those twisted creatures are our Earthen brethren. Those parasites are an extension of us, they found success in consuming a host from within, we found success in growing a big brain. To the natural world, we are equally successful organisms. Actually the parasites expend far less energy in their quest for reproduction and they'll literally never run out of hosts, so in essence they much safer in the long run and will outlast us by probably a few hundred million years.
>>84763718My partner is very spiritual and deeply religious and sees beauty in all of this. I personally cannot. At least at this point I cannot. Even on significant doses of psychedelic drugs. The beauty is not readily apparent to me
>>84763795>My partner is very spiritual>and sees beauty in all of thisNTA, but what kind of spirituality is that?
This planet is a horror freak cosmic show and is intentionally designed by DNA as a mistake and every living organism is basically cancer trying to spread everywhere
this is such a fundamental problem of hating god you're not supposed to do that ofc
>>84763875>NTA, but what kind of spirituality is that?She's into all of it. Every religious school.
>>84762993If a toddler held out his hand to an open flame, the resulting pain will cause the babby to pull back their hand before they totally burn their hand. Pain is a defensive mechanism that signals to you that something is wrong > a corrective course of action must be done. What you're seeing is creation's cry of pain in its fallenness after man sinned. Creation is trying to signal humanity to pull back their hand from the flames of sin so that it may return to its pre-fall state. You can save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails if you stopped fapping to futa right now and opened your bible instead.
>>84764061Dang it this is all Obama's fault again
>>84764061>stopped fapping to futa right now and opened your bible instead.No deal
>>84764061>What you're seeing is creation's cry of pain in its fallenness after man sinned>punishing Adam and Eve so severely for eating an apple>punishing their descendants, who had nothing to do with such a silly "sin" in the first place, by having them be "born in sin">punishing the rest of creation too instead of just Adam and Eve
>>84763327>and for no fucking reason I will make this fish suffer as its tongue is devoured by a isopod>STOP QUESTIONING MY DESIGN THIS IS ALL A PART OF MY GREATER PLAN OR SOMETHING
>>84764061I do not have a well developed funny folder but I have something perfect for this
I agree. Now, read the gnostics.
God is also suffering.
>>84764335>, read the gnosticsElaborate.Now.
>>84764387What a pathetic creature.
>>84762993The Bible literally states the initial creation was good, free of suffering and then becomes horribly twisted and ruined by evil. If you want to believe the Bible's fake and it didn't happen at all then fine, but it's internally consistent.
>>84763169>All the richest and most powerful people in the world worship GodThey worship a god for sure, but not the same one the peasants do lol. The ones that public ally say they are Christian/Catholic or whatever actually worship some ancient shit behind closed doors and actually perform esoteric pagan rituals and sacrifices.
>>84764424Group of Christian sects which agreed with the idea that the world is a flesh prison where everything decays made by an evil/foolish deity who was also an abortion by an aeon called Sophia.>>84764440At least according to Valentinians, one specific sect that believed He would be redeemed. Then you have other interpretations where he is evil.If you're interested: https://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html(56) Jesus said: He who has known the world has found a corpse; and he who has found a corpse, the world is not worthy of him.Avoid (((neopaganism)))/(((buddhism)))/(((hinduism))) an any other form of gaslighting "religion" that worships nature.
>>84762993the moose curses god for this suffering. the tick praises god for this feast.it's all about perspective
>>84764387God made us in hopes our technological development will lead to ascension, replacing him and finally giving him rest
>>84764511Pierre Teilhard de Chardin talks about something like that.>>84764508
>>84764212The pain that saved the babby from fully burning their hand is not punishment but mercy in the grand scheme of things. Momentary feelings vs. Eternal weight in Glory; immediate gratification from futa goon sesh vs your soul, you keep picking the futa.
>>84764547I wonder what do you still mention futa porn, Freudian slip much?
>>84764547When you compare actual functioning law to gods reasoning you realize he is a retard
>>84764319Only in an imperfect world can uncondtitional love be expressed.
>>84764496Buddhists definitely do not worship nature, and with Hindus it depends on what specifically that person believes, but it is overall not a nature affirming (collection of) religion(s)
>>84764467>twisted and ruined by evil>Omnipotent genie creates everything>"accidentally" creates evil too>suddenly powerless to do anything"Oh sorry, I made your world with a fundamental flaw that will make it an unending nightmare hellworld. Just deal with it, OK? I'm busy."What exactly are the religious trying to do when they praise god? Begging their bully to stop tormenting them for a moment? What guarantee do you have he'll follow through on any of that? If he doesn't answer the prayers of the living why, would he suddenly shift over and be nice to the dead? For all you know it he's even worse after you die.
>>84764559>>84764566Stop choosing the futa.
>>84764569NOOOO GIVE ME CONDITIONAL LOVE WGERE IM PERFECT CHAD STACY CHUNGIS 100
>>84764547>Momentary feelings vs. Eternal weight in GloryReality vs. imaginary ghost world dreamed up by mesopotamians high on acacia smoke.What's with the futa? How does that tie into god's plan?
>>84764574Yeah my mistake, but still:>saar please redeem the good karma>saar please become bodhisattva and don't leave reality until you had liberated 72342342743972341987237123187231239871412364932157385 sentient beings from samsara sarr>sarr if you eat meat is 984398 years on hell sarrHonestly I prefer regular abrahamism to the massive dumpster fire of shit that are dharmic religions, fuck the buddha.
>>84764595stop chosing to set people up for failure, even the military understood this rule
For OP:A Carcass, from BaudelaireMy love, do you recall the object which we saw,That fair, sweet, summer morn!At a turn in the path a foul carcassOn a gravel strewn bed,Its legs raised in the air, like a lustful woman,Burning and dripping with poisons,Displayed in a shameless, nonchalant wayIts belly, swollen with gases.The sun shone down upon that putrescence,As if to roast it to a turn,And to give back a hundredfold to great NatureThe elements she had combined;And the sky was watching that superb cadaverBlossom like a flower.So frightful was the stench that you believedYou'd faint away upon the grass.The blow-flies were buzzing round that putrid belly,From which came forth black battalionsOf maggots, which oozed out like a heavy liquidAll along those living tatters.All this was descending and rising like a wave,Or poured out with a crackling sound;One would have said the body, swollen with a vague breath,Lived by multiplication.And this world gave forth singular music,Like running water or the wind,Or the grain that winnowers with a rhythmic motionShake in their winnowing baskets.The forms disappeared and were no more than a dream,A sketch that slowly fallsUpon the forgotten canvas, that the artistCompletes from memory alone.Crouched behind the boulders, an anxious dogWatched us with angry eye,Waiting for the moment to take back from the carcassThe morsel he had left.And yet you will be like this corruption,Like this horrible infection,Star of my eyes, sunlight of my being,You, my angel and my passion!Yes! thus will you be, queen of the Graces,After the last sacraments,When you go beneath grass and luxuriant flowers,To molder among the bones of the dead.Then, O my beauty! say to the worms who willDevour you with kisses,That I have kept the form and the divine essenceOf my decomposed love!William Aggeler, The Flowers of Evil (Fresno, CA: Academy Library Guild, 1954) https://fleursdumal.org/poem/126
>>84764335I have read The Gnostics. The Forbidden Religion by Jose Aragon is better though.
>>84764612No a maximally good God will, nay, MUST express a good in it's maximal peak evolution form ie unconditional love when it comes to love. >b-but he must express mooses and humans in their mega evolution form too thenThe future earth will have you resurrected in your dream ouran high school bodies therefore accounting for both the experience of unconditional love and creations that are also perfectly good at the same time, not just one or the other. All according to His eternal keikaku.
>>84764754Oh hey l remember that from a song
>>84763264>The entire human social layer is a cope. A delusion. A comforting lie to prevent us from falling into insanityThe human social layer is itself another biological horror. It's a complicated selection display.
>>84765970>The human social layer is itself another biological horror. It's a complicated selection display.Yes lol. Good point. Equality horrifying with you understand what is beneath every human gesture and "normal" behavior
>>84762993maybe that retard deer shouldnt be running in tall grass 24/7 if it didnt want those 50000 ticks
>>84764793That God would see two choices>A) A perfect world with no suffering but my creations do not know a specific form of my love>B) A world of unimaginable, all encompassing suffering but a specific form of my love can be expressedAnd choose the later is more horrifying than a world with no God at all
>>84766506>world of unimaginable, all encompassing sufferingYou are trying to make it sound like we are in the hellraiser universe every passing second. I am posting in my spiderman undies right now eating tendies, brother it ain't too bad.
>>84766862>your underwear was sewn by laborers that make under $2 a day and wish they were dead>the chickens you're eating suffered incredibly as they lived their entire short life in a tiny cage shitting on themselves until the day they were tossed onto a conveyor belt, got grabbed by a metal claw, flipped over, and had their head sheared off by a sharp wedge.>every little feast you participate in represents a few hundred hours of combined horrific suffering that probably is legitimately worse than anything out of the first two Hellraiser moviesHumans aren't magic golems made by a Jewish wizard. We're alive and we spawned on Earth just like everything else.>but animals are dumb and they aren't consciousPigs, crows, dogs, cats, dolphins, parrots, elephants, and apes have all passed self awareness mirror tests.It's assumed most mammals have a some sense of self and all have nerve endings capable of the same pain we feel.If some entity it this way on purpose, that thing is the purest evil or at least the most indifferent entity you could imagine. To allow this for millions of years is not good. There's no way you can look at it as good. Existence is adversarial and life exists to devour itself in an unending cycle of stealing energy from one organism to another.Someone already mentioned it in this thread: The pleasure the predator gets from eating is incomparable to the suffering the prey feels as it is hunted and eaten. Right off the bat life is an unequal exchange or far more suffering than joy.
>>84763030>Genesis 6:6-7SIX SEVEN
>>84766995the thing about animal suffering is that you don't have to carelike nobody's calling birds (especially penguins) evil for eating fishwe were given a fertile land filled with all the tastiest animals to eat, and for that we give thanks to God
>>84766995It ain't too bad but it ain't all good either. You're able to post here using a comfortably designed keyboard instead of one with with rusty needles tacked on the keys. This is why people are tired of talking with pessimists, catastrophizing while appropriating the pain of others that are absent in their own lives makes you look like babbies.
>>84763169These rich guys are biohackers who want to minmax everything about their bodies. Spirituality is very strong cope that can significantly reduce depression. These guys often take psychedelics that make believing in paranormal stuff easierit doesn't mean god is real, just that believing in god is good for health because that's how humans learned to cope with mortality and lack of meaning
>>84763030>"god" doesn't know the effects of his own creationlmao these jewish fairytales get dumber by the day
>>84762993Yeah but you also have cool stuff like symbiosis in coral reefs and humans riding horse try and find examples of nature being nice and not ebil and you'll find it
>>84767436Elohim are not omnipotent beings, bible mistranslations and theologists trying to make work for themselves corrupt a history book into a religious text
>view this thread>checked my yt homepage >reccomends parasites videosThank you Gook Moot.
Life sucks because of le ticksCreation is good
>>84766187Is though?Is all you think off sex and food?For me its at most 50% of what I think and do
>>84762993I don't get it, are you mad at God for not existing, or for existing?
>>84766862Heaven is the hell of hellraiser.There's no death in heaven, the people there live for all eternity.So they will begin with doing the things that made them happy on earth until they lose all pleasure for them, and then move onto other pleasurable activities until they too run dry of pleasure, they will see all their relationships also lose their pleasurable components, and then they might use this post-punishment life to engage in a little sin (if your capacity to sin isn't present is it really you in heaven?), and this will gradually escalate to the point where you start to seek pleasure in pain, and from there its more escalation, until eventually you descend into the cenobite level stuff, but you keep at it only until that becomes boring, and probably cycle back to the other stuff I mentioned, and as you find yourself feeling bored with that you check the time, and you've barely been dead for half a millennium. Or maybe you will forget and the thrill of the stuff you did would return, however happiness is a drug and likely a tolerance would build up anyway. I don't even know what heaven might be like. We get all these descriptions of hell, but very few of heaven, I guess it would be hard to imagine what the ultimate greatest pleasure might be like without turning it into something unacceptable. The bible is vague about what heaven is like, and I don't figure out how I could even tell heaven from hell when I'm dead because all the things I use to experience anything at all exist in my physical body (such as having nerve endings to feel pain with), and we know that stays behind and rots, it doesn't go nowhere, either, eventually it breaks down and cycles itself into other living things, potentially other human beings, so a resurrected body also makes no sense, then there's the attributes of the soul assuming I have one, aside of being able to experience its own existence and things other than itself, what other properties should it have?
>>84767739>projecting human bodily pleasures on the eternal sovlAverage Atheist
>>84763336Cool art, thanks
>>84766995We should only care about animals so that they are healthy and good for consumption and to appease human well-being.
