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>>84773781
so you'd let me assrape you because it's no big deal?

>>84773792
You get assraped by niggers every day and it doesn't seem to affect you much. You're probably not the best person to make an argument against op.

>>84773792
Yes. That's what I secretly was looking for when making this thread.

>>84773792
>unwanted heterosexual sex with a man and a woman is the same as a man buttfucking another man
Typical

>>84773792
It is a big deal, which is why sex should only be reserved for child rearing.

>>84773792
Personally I value chastity so rape would be traumatic to me.
But whores already have haunted vaginas and a body count to rival Mao, clearly they don't care when a dick is inside them.
That said, fucking a whore sounds very similar to the idea that she would be raping me, and whores can't get raped by chad because they alwats want chad.
So it would be chad doing the sexing and nobody would care.
So its only the homoniggers who would be doing raping against people who didn't want it but don't value chastity and people who didn't want it who do value chastity.
So basically gay sex is rape.

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>>84773822
What if it were a big fat Indian woman with a strapon

>>84773792
exceedingly low iq npc post

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>>84773781
There's such a sense of whiplash when you grow up and realize that feminists are bigger puritans and prudes than the worst example of one in Victorian times, plus the fact they're also hypocrites that lead an openly perverted double life.

I'm not even trying to be antagonistic here. I thought we were sexually liberated. I thought John Lennon's Imagine was here to save us. Do you know how disappointing it is to grow up as a horny teenager, have it made worse and more inflamed by the amount of pornography on the internet and in media, how the plot of every story or tv show has "girlfriends" or "one-night stands" or "hookups" and it is veritably a thing you observe happening around you in your culture, you hear about girls in your class dating and fucking other boys, you hear about them fucking college students and getting weed and drugs from them, and then when it's your turn, it just never comes? Your entire young adulthood was a turn that never came?

Like what else am I supposed to do? What am I supposed to think? Again, not trying to be antagonistic or especially chuddy right now, but am I literally not even a human mind in your perception? What did you think was going to happen when you acted like this in the mass for so long?

>>84773894
What's bad about being raped for a man but not for a woman?

>>84773781
Is this the part where "gender is a social construct" people start learning that "consent is a social construct" too?

>umm actually, here is a clever little internet argument that shows that BEING FUCKING RAPED is no big deal
This is the dumbest incel shit I've ever seen.
Like, sure, you can use internet arguments to argue for the dumbest most outrageous shit in the world.
You can use a bit of clever spohistry to argue that being rammed up the asshole with an industrial jackhammer is no big deal.
Maybe you can win an internet argument with this convoluted arguing, but the average joe on the street isn't going to accept that rape isn't one of the worst things in the world.

>>84773781
This is called affirming the consequent and it's a fallacy. It presupposes that only valuing chastity can make rape unwanted, even though it's perfectly possible to not want to be raped while not valuing chastity, for a myriad of other reasons such as valuing autonomy. 0/10 not even entry level bait.

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>>84773781
>christian autogynephile white supremacist armenian tranny
wow, you'll find some interesting characters on X.

>>84773905
This desu oreganonally

>>84773781
If asked to say why rape is bad, there is an answer on the liberal world view and that's consent. The requirement of consent is the only sexual ethic that exists on liberalism, but it does exist, so violating it presumably gives some foundation for viewing rape as bad. That being said, there's a difference between something being merely bad and something being viewed as the ultimate evil in the modern society, even surpassing murder in terms of how taboo it is. For example, there are non-sex-related consent violations, such as being stolen from. The act of consensual giving and taking of money is perfectly fine on its own on the liberal view, exactly the same as engaging in sex. Yet when this consent element is removed, one is treated as much much worse than the other. That's the part I also don't get on the pure liberal world view.
>>84773792
I presume OP values chastity, so on his view he should see rape as a big deal.

Women think their pussies are made of solid platinum OP

The reason OP image doesn't work as an argument is that it ignores the entire "autonomy" / "free will" aspect, which is sadly what many people here are overlooking as well.

>>84773905
>>84774057
The same people proclaiming this would without hypocrisy claim "if you can find a woman who wanted to fuck you, then go for it, congrats (it's just none of them want to lmao)"
So, again, it's not hypocrisy.
Don't get me wrong, it's a terrible stance, but hypocrisy it isn't.

>>84773934
He's not making a case for rape being acceptable, dumbass, he's making a case for judging bodycounts

>>84774177
If you are a puritan feminist on twitter but you also have fucked a dozen men then you are a hypocrite, that is categorically what a hypocrite is. I am not specifically interested in fucking the feminist. If you are a literal hoe that simultaneously advances the view that men approaching and flirting with women is actually accosting them and being rapey then you are a hypocrite of the worst kind and are ideally hellbound to eternal damnation

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>If you're a feminist who believes that sex means nothing
Feminists dont believe this, if this were the case they wouldnt be advocating for womens shelters, anti dating violence. Sex leaves you vulnerable, especially for women.

From a evolutionary perspective rape is bad because its a traumatic experience that can impact someones ability to safely procreate in the future. From a philosophical perspective rape is bad because it subjugates a person by reducing ones willpower and self control. From a religious perspective rape is bad because it is the ultimate form of violating ones agency granted by God for ones own gain. This is why it is used as a weapon on men, women, and children in times of war. The men in this thread may try to cope by trivializing it, but even the male both subconciously fears and understands that thier autonomy could be made irrelevant by a larger, stronger male if he so desired.

>>84773908
Because the example you used was a man's ass being penetrated and the ass is meant to excrete shit. The equivalent to a woman being raped as a man would be if a man was forced to insert his penis into a vagina of an ugly woman (since women see most men as ugly), not if you penetrated his ass forcefully. You can't just be like rape=penetration therefore a man being raped=him getting fucked in the ass. The equivalent experience of getting fucked in the ass for a woman would be getting fucked in the ass as a woman.

>>84774177
>>84773947
Autonomy doesn't work here. If someone complained about being tapped on the shoulder for some innocuous reason, nobody would give a fuck and they'd call them a faggot for caring, even if muh autonomy is being violated. If sex has no meaning, equal to the meaninglessness of a shoulder tap, then this is the position regardless of autonomy. Now swap being tapped to getting punched. Regardless of autonomy, fighting matters.
>>84773947
I can tell very easily you got your post from some LLMslop

>>84773781
>a crime only exists if pop culture places value on a specific unrelated virtue
You are confused. Its not the sexual experience that people despise about grape. I can agree that trauma is a meme, nobody changes from bullying or being abused.

>>84774493
>autonomy doesnt work here
Yeah it does. If someone enslaved you, you arent talking about how much sex matters, you are talking about your freedom. You are just pornbrained so you think everything you do is sexual

>>84774525
What you just said is so retarded and separated from what we were talking about that I'm just going to call you a stupid low IQ faggot and leave the thread

>>84774430
>sex leaves you vulnerable
>be "vulnerable" with a bunch of dudes, even complete strangers
Feminists DO believe sex means nothing, that it's not sacred, that you should be able to sell it like a commodity, and that you should be free to do it casually. They believe this, yet simultaneously hold puritan views that imply the opposite of the afromentioned. Ops image is exactly correct, the reason why rape is such a grave crime is because it's held as sacred, and it isn't enough to make consent the new sacred. Because any other kind of infringement on consent like theft or assault isn't treated even remotely the same as rape. Obviously this is an artifact of more traditional culture, because rape isn't treated nearly the same as when it happens to a man. Why? Because chastity for a man doesn't matter as much, it isn't held as sacred like it was historically for women.

>>84774567
Additionally, what women view as "rape", ie, regret or being manipulated, would basically be equivalent to wage theft in their own worldview, not an absolute depravity, which would imply that sex is somehow sacred.

>>84774564
Were you the low IQ retard who posted earlier in the thread about sex and tapping shoulders

>>84774586
Theres nothing sacred about sex its just a normal thing you do every day like drinking coffee. But I dont want anyone forcing hot coffee down my throat that would be illegal and immoral. Obviously a penis would be worse and deserve the maximum penalty. Incels are just always violent so they dont get it

>>84774567
I take back "exactly correct", it wouldn't be equivalent to 5 dollars being stolen like op's image says, but more like violent assault. For the so called "rape" where they just regret it, the guy was pushy, or they were manipulated, it's more like wage theft.

>>84774620
Depending on how hot the coffee is it could be more physically damaging than piv rape, which itself has a spectrum which ranges from no physical damage to a lot, same as the coffee. You basically debunk yourself here, if it really is equivalent to assault, then it doesn't deserve maximum penalty, because that isn't proportional to the crime. It would only deserve maximum penalty if it was something sacred that was being transgressed, not merely an infringement of consent/bodily harm.
>Theres nothing sacred about sex its just a normal thing you do every day like drinking coffee.
Then it's equivalent to violent assault

>>84774621
Usually when someone illegally watches a porn video they didnt purchase, thats the same amount of violence as mass murdering a bunch of wh*te people. My reasons is because thats why

>>84774620
>drinking coffee by myself
>another person forcing me to drink coffee
Totally good and not fallacious argument

>>84774657
You are really dumb. Are you a black woman perchance? That would explain everyinging
>>84774652
Feminists don't care about autonomy. They want men to risk their lives and empty their banks for women. Never listen to them, the sooner they go extinct the better.

>>84774652
Why would there be anything sacred involved?

>>84773781
This is completely fucking retarded

>>84774658
Nobody drinks coffee by themselves retard.

>>84774665
Its not dumb at all. Do you think its no big deal to watch porn you didnt pay for?

>>84774567
This isnt to say that I completely agree with third wave views on sex positivity, but the reason why it isnt hypocritical is because feminist ideas on sex goes under the assumption that all the things mentioned were done with complete consent. Its bad if any of the parties involved do not want to do it. Simple as.
>rape isn't treated nearly the same as when it happens to a man
It is if the perpetator is a male. Lets face it, from a physical harm perspective rape caused by a male perpetrator is simply more traumatic than rape from a female perpetrator. To compare it to losing a few bucks is disengenous, rape creates causes real injury that can make sex distressing and has been linked to fertility problems

>>84774621
It would be equivalent to hard sex, which women love

>>84774695
Do you believe the same about underage girls? Say it in a full sentence.

>>84774707
Most incels openly say they want children to be beaten and abused and would do the same to their own children if they had a chance. They dont see anything wrong with it.

>>84774669
The point is you can't have it both ways, either it's sacred, and should be treated differently as if it's especially bad, or it's not, then it should be treated consistently with any other form of infringement on consent (like assault or theft). If it's sacred that means you have to abide by the norms of chastity, if it's not then you don't have to.
>>84774693
>To compare it to losing a few bucks is disengenous
I addressed that here >>84774621 because I disagree with it.
>It is if the perpetator is a male.
Addressed here >>84774470, it's a false equivalency.
>rape creates causes real injury that can make sex distressing and has been linked to fertility problems
They can also be fine and even get pregnant from the rape, it's a spectrum of outcomes ranging from no damage to a lot, which is the same as any other assault.

>>84774716
Nobody said it was sacred. It doesnt have to be sacred to be illegal, bud. I cant rob a bank even though money is worthless.

>>84774731
Money is actually sacred. It symbolizes resources and wealth. Are you a retarded ass nigga?

>>84774731
And nobody said it wouldn't still be illegal even according to logc of modern norms of consent? I said it would be equivalent to violent assault, which it factually is if we remove any kind of traditional norms about chastity, virginity, and/or innocence. All you have to do to know this is true is just imagine a how man would be treated if an ugly orc woman forced herself on the man and forced him to penetrate her, it would be treated like violent assault, not blaspheme like rape against a woman is. Btw, none of this is me condoning rape, I am just taking this modern worldview to it's logical conclusion and being consistent with it's own principles and showing that it's harmful, that we shouldn't treat sex in this manner.

>>84774775
>money is sacred bro
Peak uneducated retard

>>84774716
>it's a false equivalency.
Its the closest comparison one can make. A man being forced to insert his penis into a woman would have a lower chance of injury compared a man forcefully inserting his penis into a woman. She may have vaginal or anal tearing, lacerations, damage to her pelvic floor, bruising. Women are more vulnerable to STIs, which can be transmitted during rape, and the risk of pregnancy is not an anxiety a man would have to deal with, at least in the way that women would.

>>84774783
Battery, not assault. Also the logical conclusion is that it would still be much worse than sticking someone with a used needle, but better than stabbing them with a knife. There is no comparison to wage theft. Using your body to overpower someone and possibly transmit disease or permanently damage their organs is cringe

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>>84774794
I just want to say, you might lowkirkenuinely be one of the most dimwitted, boneheaded, idiotic, retarded jew faggots I've seen on this entire site.

>>84774794
It's really not because getting anally raped is much worse than vaginally raped. There's also an element of emasculation in male to male rape that just isn't the case for women because they can't be "emasculated". Sure, it can be humiliating, but it isn't nearly as humiliating as a man getting raped is. I grant you that there's more likely to be damage and women have a risk for pregnancy, which isn't necessarily the case for female on male piv rape.
>>84774815
It's equivalent to wage theft if the rape is because they were "manipulated". Yeah, you may not get an std from work but you can get injured because it's laborious, and on top of that have your wage stolen from you. That's what the equivalent of being "manipulated" is which seems to be what a lot of women think rape is.

>>84774834
Are you the fucking retarded monkey retard who claimed that money is sacred

>>84774836
Grape is not wage theft in the same way murder is not wage theft. Manipulation is not why someone gets murdered in cold blood, its actually the killing part that is the bad part.

>>84774849
According to many women "rape" is them being manipulated or regretting afterwards, which is why I compare that kind of "rape" to wage theft. Rape rape would be comparable to violent assault without all the sentimentality and norms about chastity, intmacy, and innocence, if you simply treated it like other unsentimental crimes.

>>84774878
Nobody said there was sentimentality to intimacy or innocence. If you were abused as a child it would be criminal, not just manipulation.

>>84773781
Damn what is causing all this red pilling lately? Did someone burn there simps too hard?

>>84774910
There is though? That's why we treat these things differently instead of seeing them as merely infringements on consent or physical damage to the body. You're telling me things such as innocence or intimacy are not sentimental when such norms don't exist in animals? Do animals care about chastity and virginity? Do animals care about innocence? These are obviously human concepts that inform how we treat what are quantitatively the same actions. This is exactly my point. Quantitatively, rape is no different than violent assault. Things like innocence, chastity, initmacy are sentimental things that color our view of these things such that the same physical damage is treated differently if it destroys someone's "innocence".

>>84774834
No idea why you tagged that other guy, that isnt me. Interesting how you didnt say why anything ive said is stupid though.

>>84774836
Hm, I guess from a physical perspective anal rape would be more traumatic. I dont see how this discredits my point however, women also experience anal rape, in fact the majority of anal rape victims are women
>emasculation in male to male rape that just isn't the case for women because they can't be "emasculated"
Women also experience a form of "emasculation" that goes beyond humiliation. For women reproduction is about being discerning, across all cultures it is seen as an inherent part of femininity. Being raped removes that aspect of reproduction which is why many women who are raped see themselves as broken or contaminated. They may blame themselves, or feel betrayal for being unable to "discern". This is functionally the same as emasculation, which is the stripping of a mans autonomy, masculinity, and self worth.

>>84774849
>grape
Just say the word rape my nigga

>>84774493
Being tapped on the shoulder doesn't cause physical or mental damage unless you have some extreme form of PTSD. Nor does it spread disease (unless you have a contagious illness) or forced pregnancy.

Mfs really sit around discussing how much they want to rape someone and give them lifelong trauma because they read something on the internet

Actual, true rape is often physically and mentally traumatizing for women.
For the moids who have never thought about what it feels like from a foid's perspective, rape for women is more like getting fucked in the ass for you, than it is similar to what you'd feel with your dick.
When a man is raping a woman, he physically and forcefully inserts something INSIDE her body. Being penetrated when you are not horny and scared and all your muscles are tight hurts.
It also seems like incels tend to forget that women experience the same array of emotions as they do. Rape is terrifying. If a man can rape you, he can, and is much more likely to, kill you.
Women actually have more nerve endings than men do (by double). Women's brains, on average, release fewer endorphins to inhibit pain.
There are bad women out there who do bad things, such as using rape to justify regret, but there are also actual women out there who have experienced it.

>>84774990
No one is doing that, (You) are just a normalfag who clutches their pearls at a discussion that is socially unacceptable and triggers your programming.

>>84774948
Ive never heard of someone treating them differently. Its called battery, not assault. Are you a small teenager so you dont know what battery is?

>>84774948
>Things like innocence, chastity, initmacy are sentimental things that color our view of these things such that the same physical damage is treated differently if it destroys someone's "innocence".
NTA but you just sound really stupid. Non-virgins can still get psychiatric problems from rape because their bodies were violated. You lowkey sound like a rapist trying to find an excuse to rape someone.

>>84774997
You posted a screenshot of someone saying that rape victims should just "get over" their trauma and that it's not an evil act. Stop acting like a disingenuous cunt like we don't have eyes.

This is all a moot point because 99% of cases where foids accuse men of rape have turned out to not actually be rape or it's just false accusations out of nowhere. I hope this statistic spreads so we can stop paying attention to such a nothingburger

>>84774948
Animals dont have concepts of chastity or virginity, but they do understand that rape is traumatic on some level. Keep in mind that an animal showing weakness or pain is bad because it leaves you vulnerable to predators, this is especially bad if youre a female animal with babies. We do see signs of depression in animals that have been raped, there is this case of a female orangutan that was repeatedly raped by human men and developed a fear of them that lasted for years. You can also see female dogs develop anxiety, chronic stress, and aggression due to overbreeding.

>>84775047
sourceless and bitchless
unlucky

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>>84773781
OP is a neo-nazi loser spamming his blue checkmark nazislop rapeslop accounts all over the catalog to groom a board full of mentally disabled people into committing crimes irl. you can stop wasting your time debating it now.

>>84773781
This is retarded. Just reverse the logic and apply it to males: would you feel traumatized getting pinned down and fucked in the ass against your will?

I would.

>B-B-BUT WOMEN HAVE VAGINAS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO FEEL GO-

Okay, let's ignore the fact that men have prostates and women don't for a moment. Let's shift the hypothetical:

If a man came along and fucked you in the mouth until he came without your consent, would you be traumatized?

Yeah. You would. So fuck off with all this copesville shit about rape not being a big deal, shit's retarded.

>>84775047
As a man you are more likely to be raped by another male than to be falsely accused of rape

>>84775077
I'm confused as to why you're tagging me in this. I agree with everything you're saying here. I was just explaining the same point, but with ass rape.

>>84775058
https://www.citystgeorges.ac.uk/news-and-events/news/2022/04/new-scorecards-show-under-1-of-reported-rapes-lead-to-conviction-criminologist-explains-why-englands-justice-system-continues-to-fail
Here, faggot, even this liberal rag that dances around the issue admits it, literal first google result

Don't mind me, I'm high and retarded

>>84775028
They get psychriatic problems because humans abide by social conventions and norms, unlike animals. An animal like a cat is just naked all the time, do they have a sense of being "exposed"? No, this is obviously a norm. A cat just has sex whenever they feel like, not caring that someone is looking, do they have any sense of being "indecent"? No, this is obviously a norm. And so to does this applies to things like innocence, chastity, intimacy.
>You lowkey sound like a rapist trying to find an excuse to rape someone.
Can you not moralize like a normalfag please? I'm arguing FOR norms, and I'm following modernism to it's logical conclusion and being consistent with modern tenets so I can show that they're BAD. That we shouldn't treat sex like it's just coffee which a person suggests here >>84774620, that even if these are just norms that we shouldn't deconstruct them and treat sex like any other act, which is the logical conclusion of modernism. Instead, people treat sex in a puritanical manner in one context, then they're laissez-faire in another, which is retarded. Either rape is treated like every other unsentimental act, where we look at the physical damage caused, and punish proportionally according to that, or it's sacred, which means that people who rape should be especially punished because they're transgressing on something that's more important than a fucking coffee.
>>84775049
Animals in nature are raping all the damn time, they hardly understand the concept of consent.

r9k is just full of virgins who are violently angry at sex havers

>>84775098
That doesn't equate to false accusations. Rape victims regularly get threatened/pressured into retracting their accusations so they don't "ruin" the rapist's life.

>>84775112
Yeah, in a society that glorifies victimhood and gives you sainthood for getting "raped" I'm not sure about that

>>84775098
Yeah yeah, okay, buddy.
Hey, man. 99% of rapes go without a conviction DOES NOT equal 99% of rape cases are false accusations. I'm looking for the second.

They gave plenty of verifiable and logical reasons why else this may be happening. Why are you convinced you're right?

I think the women who misreport are terrible pieces of human and deserve to be punished for it. It should be a crime. It hurts actual rape victims and creates a stigma against them.

>>84775151
>women misreport
>women most affected
How about it hurts the men who's reputations it actually destroys instead of the women it POSSIBLY affects.

>>84775116
>in a society that glorifies victimhood
If this were actually true, incels would rule the world.

The real world values heroes. The internet values victims.

>>84775159
Dude, I never said anything like that and agree with you. Why can't more than one thing be true?
Did you even read the full post that you're replying to?

>>84775151
Think about it logically. 99% fucking percent? I could get maybe like 50-60, but 99? When so many cases come down to he-said she-said it means there's an overwhelming lack of evidence being put forth by methods such as rape kits. Why would a woman not immediately get a rape kit done if a man held her down and forcefully penetrated her? Also the definition of rape has been completely destroyed by women so that's another reason not to care

>>84775103
>they hardly understand the concept of consent
If this were the case, why would male animals go through the various mating rituals and fights they participate in for a chance to be with a female? You could say that some dont, and youd be right. Male ducks have evolved corkscrew penises to force themselves onto female ducks, but female ducks have evolved maze like vaginas with dead ends that divert sperm. The logical conclusion from this would be that the female ducks are evolving like this to regain control over thier reproduction, otherwise they would just allow it. Obviously they wouldnt see it just as we do, but they dont seem to like it either.

>>84775116
The majority of rapists dont even get convicted. We have one for president right now.

>>84774980
So what you're saying is that sex should be viewed as sacred?

>>84775201
I mean yes but you're posting pro-rape nazi accounts so I don't think you're genuine

>>84775104
There's nothing wrong with that. They're probably injustly being put at the bottom of the sex hierarchy when most Chads should be there.

>>84775042
I didn't post any such screenshot, and I don't think a single comment on this thread endorses rape, only points out the absurdity in modernist thought which, ironically, if followed to it's logical conclusion would make rape less of an egregious crime. The same logic of deconstructing all norms, consent being the ultimate thing that matters, is for some reason not applied to rape, which implies sex is somehow sacred. But if there's nothing special about sex, if it's something that you can just sell or give out casually, if innocence, intimacy, chastity don't really matter, then why the hell is rape treated like it's an ultimate sin.

>>84775211
>buzzwords buzzwords emotional response
Tranny

>>84775178
Because right after being violated in such a violent manner, women are scared and tend to blame themselves about what happened. They often develop PTSD symptoms.

Most rapes are perpetrated by people the victim already knows. Only 20-30% are strangers. They are afraid no one will believe them or that they'll lose people they like/love over it.

They don't want to go through the pain of reciting their story over and over to the justice system. Many females drop their cases.

They don't want to go to the hospital and have a doctor poke around in the same areas they were assaulted. You don't have much time to be get it together after a rape for the kits to be effective.

Foids are human, too. Imagine you were beaten to pulp by a man larger than you, because that's more likely to happen to men. Why might you feel scared to report him to the police?

>>84775247
These people are really low intelligence and dense, they don't see that and want to continue letting women be whores but classify ugly men existing near women as rape.

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>>84775211
NO anon you're right GET BEHIND ME

>>84775248
Proving my point that you're just an inflammatory cunt whose opinion on morals is worthless.

>>84775253
Women should grow up and stop being weaklings. Report it to the police or it doesn't matter to her.

>>84775253
>Most rapes are perpetrated by people the victim already knows.
Yep it's usually their dark triad sociopath Chad boyfriend or fuck buddy. Only about 1 in 5 are family related. Are you retarded, gay, or a kike?

>>84775253
Uhhh, I'd report him to the police with the overwhelming evidence of being beat up and then buy a gun for if that ever happened again. That wasn't a gotcha at all

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>>84775233
You dont have to be chad to have sex desu, most incels that ive seen arent even that bad looking. Ive seen women get with guys who look like a troll youd find under a bridge. These guys arent rich either btw.

>>84775247
Because it's one of the deepest violations of the body and (in male-to-female cases) can result in a child born from assault, it's not that hard to understand.
>>84775259
>strawmanning and exaggerations
Let's be real most of you have autism and are shutins using your looks as an excuse.

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>>84773781
Having sex with Chad or Stacy for free is grate, but having it with Chud and Goblina causes trauma and ptsd, it has nothing to do muh chastity is valuable.

>>84775289
>Let's be real most of you have autism and are shutins using your looks as an excuse
Sure maybe some anons here, I'm a successful genius that just sees the nature of women and hypocrisy of faggot simp kike numales/cum dumpsters such as yourself.

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>>84775253
anon i genuinely believe everyone saying otherwise are engaging in ragebait but godspeed on fighting the good fight
empathymaxxing always wins

>>84775247
Rape is treated like a sin for the same reason that physical pummeling someone (especially someone who is unsuspecting, weaker, and smaller than you) is a treated like sin.
They both cause trauma, and trauma severely impacts someone's quality of life.

>>84775273
The police often dismiss rape cases, this is why so many rapists dont even get convicted. Rape is incredibly hard to prove, many women know this.

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>>84775288
The majority of robots are mentalcels and put everyone into retarded wojak categories (Chad, Stacy, incel, betabux) because of autistic black-and white-thinking. They would still be unhappy with a gf except they're going to have someone to treat like shit irl instead of on the computer.
>>84775260
Hai Neptune

>>84775310
And that's why society views fighting as something sacred, a final last resort between two individuals using the most primitive and natural force there is. Is sex sacred, yes or no? Rape is more akin to rough sex which foids love as evidenced by the Fifty Shades series.

>>84775259
That's basically how it always is. Any norm that benefits women is kept, the drawbacks of that norm are not. So women can act like whores whilst also being puritans, they can act like boss bitches while having zero responsibilities, they can demand to have the same rights yet be treated with kid gloves socially and in the courts.
>>84775289
It's only one of the deepest violations according to TRADITIONAL NORMS, how do you not get this? That the reason it's even treated as such a deep violation is because it's an artifact of an older norm where a woman's chastity was valued. That is why it's such an egregious crime, otherwise it would be treated the equivalent to any other crime which infringes on your consent and/or causes bodily harm, instead of an ultimate sin which transgresses on the very person's dignity. And a woman's chastity was very much tied to her dignity which is why rape is treated as such.

>>84775326
>The police often dismiss rape cases
Because there's often no proof. It's quite literally as simple as that.

>>84775302
>and hypocrisy of faggot simp kike numales/cum dumpsters such as yourself.
I'm a virgin and I don't like you

>>84775330
>It's only one of the deepest violations according to TRADITIONAL NORMS
Nigga we aren't talking about society we are talking about PSYCHOLOGY. Non-virgins still display mental deterioration from rape. It's not that hard to understand God you're amazingly slow.

>>84775310
Except pummeling someone isn't treated with nearly the same gravity as even a woman's word that she was raped.

>>84775338
Lemme correct that for that anon then. (Future) cum dumpsters such as yourself

>>84775348
>Non-virgins still display mental deterioration from rape.
Therefore sex itself is a sacred act. If it can cause this much damage, like a fight. What's so hard for your retarded shitskin ass to comprehend?

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the idea that losing your virginity automatically makes you immune to sexual abuse or the trauma of it is exactly the type of stupidity you'd expect from this board lol
>>84775306
there is a reason these people are lonely offline and it's not because everyone is a mean Chad and Stacy, it's because they're genuinely insufferable to be around. i study them here with the same interest as watching soldiers fight each other from the rooftops in assassin's creed unity.

>>84775352
Youre right, statistically the guy who was pummeled is more likely to be recognized

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>>84775354
With the way men talk about the gender that births them I'm probably gonna die a virgin. Be grateful I'm half-black since you're probably a racist as well.

>>84775354
So your mom is a cum dumpster

>>84775329
This is a media, internet, and prison trope. The world you speak of no longer exists.
Getting beat up might be personally embarrassing, but you can get in trouble win or lose.
Fighting has to be consensual to be respected by society at all, aside from self defense situations.
There's professional sports that involve violence, like MMA, but violence outside of a ring or self defense is very much looked down upon in the real world.

>>84775387
Yes, I hold no illusions about my mom being a slut. She's fucked at least ten dudes and that's a lot for gen x. Still love her

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>>84775367
>they're genuinely insufferable to be around.
true! i used to try and befriend a couple of them and it's a miserable experience. they're so miserable and it bleeds into everything they do. i can't help but feel bad sometimes
now i similarly observe and giggle

>>84775362
>sex itself is a sacred act
You literally called a virgin woman a future cum dumpster, shut the fuck up you disingenuous troll.

>>84775352
Not by the law, and not by doctors or police. If your social circle is shit and doesn't have empahty, then yeah, I guess. But nowhere else.

>>84775330
Nobody thinks chastity is part of grape. Incels are usually grapists because they are violent assholes, so they get punished for it. People like you target children all the time. Its not because of any other reason than the fact that you are an evil piece of shit

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Why are white supremacists obsessed with rape and BBC? Is that all you creatures ever talk about? Sheesh no wonder your suicide rate is so high.

>>84775367
Liberal women are the most mentally ill demographic.

>>84774493
>nobody would give a fuck and they'd call them a faggot for caring, even if muh autonomy is being violated.
I wouldn't. I've known people who get legitimately freaked out due to personal space issues. I wouldn't say the other person necessarily did anything wrong in this instance as its so innocuous, but really "touching people in public" isn't something people have a right to in the first place, it's just most can brush it off.

>>84774208
Feminism is female supremacy essentially.
>a literal hoe that simultaneously advances the view that men approaching and flirting with women is actually accosting them and being rapey
Again, this is entirely a non hypocritical stance. The simple answer, under the feminist's viewpoint of "men approaching women = rapey", is that of women approaching men and/or "women giving the okay signal to men to approach (and not approaching without that signal)". This doesn't work because women are delusional or insane and have no understanding of population level behaviors, and I'm not defending them, just stating that it's not inherently a hypocritical stance.

>>84774567
>Feminists DO believe sex means nothing, that it's not sacred, that you should be able to sell it like a commodity, and that you should be free to do it casually.
They don't believe it means nothing, but they do believe it should be a casual thing (at their initiation). It's kind of like food I guess if you want a bad analogy. Casual in its having, yet also important.
>Because chastity for a man doesn't matter as much
Because men don't matter as much for society. You can kill half of them and the population won't even dip down for the next generation. Sure you may be missing some workers so only have a big war every couple of decades.

>>84775348
A person's psychology is affected by norms, conventions, concepts. Why are you trying to make this like it's some kind of objective science? It's not equivalent to measuring how much damage you do to the body if you do xyz because it's mental. That being the case, why do non-virgins display mental deterioration from rape? Because the sex was a violation of their person/dignity in some way, and this causes damage to their mental state. And why do they feel this? Because sex is an intimate/vulnerable act. But why do they feel this? Because that's how they view sex to be or that's how they were taught/learned that sex was. If this weren't the case, why would they have any kind of mental problem from rape? If there was any physical damage, they would simply heal from it and move on. The fact there is any mental damage implies the existence of certain norms or conventions which we abide by, that sex is a special act, that it's intimate, vulnerable. And how can you reconcile this, with the view that norms and conventions ought to be deconstructed, that they don't matter, that sex isn't special, it's just two bodies rubbing against each other, it can be bought and sold or given out casually? If the latter were truly the case, no one would feel such mental harm from being raped. If the latter were the case, rape should not be treated as it is, instead it should be punished proportionally to whatever objective damage there was instead of how the person feels.

>>84775422
The problem with your logic is that men are inherently stupid and dont understand the law. They think mass killings are the same thing as a tap on the shoulder in their own worldview. Its why nobody in society trusts men anymore, nearly all violent crime is just them

>>84775151
>It hurts actual rape victims and creates a stigma against them.
You can not comprehend that the true victims of false rape reports are those who were falsely reported (men), not other rape victims (women). You are unable to understand the ethos or pathos of this conversation.

>>84775444
Its completely false to assume that incels arent committing all of these crimes. They objectively did do it

>>84775422
>it's just most can brush it off.
Because it is an inherently meaningless action

>I've known people who get legitimately freaked out due to personal space issues.
And they are probably dysgenic SSRI-addicted freaks such as yourself. Opinion worthless, concerns discarded.

>>84775409
It doesn't matter if they think it's a part of it or not because it's true regardless. The reason why rape is treated as it is is because we implicitly hold sex in special regards, that it's in a way sacred.
>buzzword, you're pedo and you're evil
If you're too stupid to make any response can you just not? Leave your moralfagging finger wagging to shitter.

>>84775453
A recent study showed that rapists have more consensus sexual success than non-rapists. You are simply wrong, no ifs and or buts.

>>84775330
The problem with your logic is that you are assuming the older norms created the idea, when it is far more likely that the norms were made due to people creating a justification for why the act of rape caused physical and mental harm in the first place. Those who lived back then did not have the technology we had now to understand exactly how rape takes its toll, but Grug would be able to observe how Florga appears to be in pain and has a mood different from the other females after the enemy tribe ransaked the village. Humans likely observed how the act affected a woman and looked to what they had to conceptualize what this feeling was.

>>84775455
Anyone with sensory issues or the stupid fucking introvert disease is lying. It doesnt take SSRIs or anything else, people fundamentally do not care about personal space or their own bodies. Ive seen guys claim they dont drink alcohol and then I see them smoke weed

>>84775440
>They think mass killings are the same thing as a tap on the shoulder in their own worldview.
If that's how you interpreted that post then you belong in a zoo

>>84775464
That study proved that it was incels at fault

>>84775444
This is my post, read the last paragraph:
>>84775151

Can your brain not comprehend that two things can be true at a time, what are you even arguing against?

I never said that men weren't hurt by it or that they are not the main victims in the false reporting scenario. I'm just adding onto the justification of why false accusers should be punished.

You're cherrypicking my responses and using them as evidence to say I'm saying something other than what you're responding to.
Either come with a real argument or sit down.

>>84775473
Nobody was talking about interpretation. If thats how men really see the world, they are mentally ill.

>>84775422
>You can kill half of them and the population won't even dip down for the next generation. Sure you may be missing some workers so only have a big war every couple of decades.
Losing 25% of the workforce doing critical infrastructure jobs would be catastrophic. Are you retarded or a woman? It's not like women want kids anyways now. They're letting the population die worldwide as we speak.

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>>84775435
We get it you want an excuse to rape someone, just shut the fuck up already. You're all the same.

It seems like people can't remember what OP is about and that OP is defending:
>>84773781
>isn't rape just an inconvenience equivalent to five dollars

>>84775493
His argument is that he should he allowed to rape because virginity isn't considered as important to a woman's existence anymore. So basically just the average incel line of thought.

>>84775493
>isn't rape just an inconvenience equivalent to five dollars
You conveniently ignored the "per feminist logic" part. Are you seriously that dull or purposefully misrepresenting the entire post?

>>84775493
Incels value the life of a child they are trafficking as only worth five dollars. And a lot of them grape young boys too, so its not even about gender wars slop.

>>84775504
People are defending this logic in the thread.

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Rape wasn't even considered evil in the past, getting raped back then was a canon event for women as feminism didn't exist. If a virgin was raped it was considered her fault or property damage, not the violation of a human like it is now.

>>84775499
>considered as important
No, it itself isn't considered important at all. In fact, women are encouraged to be whores and have sex as much as they can by Globohomo and ugly feminists. Yet beta Steve makes a failed pass and now he's a rapist who needs to be hung. There's no consistency.

>>84775504
Feminists say the exact opposite. In fact its only incel logic that defends it

>>84775512
Good for them, their opinions aren't relevant to the original post you slow witted shitskin

>>84775515
To be fair that was when the most normal experience for a man was to get killed in war

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>twitter screenshot with blue checkmark shock value engagement bait
>why is __ like this?
>___ can't argue this!
>___ lost/won
>100+ replies in arguments that just end in insults/slurs
These threads are some of the biggest wastes of time in the modern era. If you participate in these things for hours on end it's safe to assume you have too much free time on your hands.

>>84775490
Why is it always like this? Anytime you try to debate this it just ends with accusations. I support traditional norms which is why I'm against rape, you don't support them so you have less of a strong argument against rape being particularly bad instead of among other forms of bodily harm or infringements of consent. Because I recognize the sanctity and specialness of sex I see rape as an especially egregious act that infringes on someone's very dignity, you have no such justification. You just blurt out canned responses like an npc.

>>84775527
Then go after anyone else engaging in it too?
Chill out, lil bro

>>84775540
Debating these numales and ugly feminists leads nowhere. They don't follow logic and they have no moral principles, their entire beliefs revolve around the idea that women are all beautiful rational queens that can do no wrong while non-Chads only exist to serve them. These people are a sickness, thank Jesus they have the lowest birth rates, most mental illness, and most likely to chop their genitals off among anybody.

>>84775539
Why do /pol/faggots like posting shitter screenshots? They like to act like they're above the normiez, but they love their twitter slop

>>84775540
>sex is when you lose dignity
Keep your logic consistent at least.

>>84775579
You sound like a degen. How many kids do you have so far? I hope they dont see you like this

>>84775626
How many times a day do you have to dilate that fake vagina of yours?

>>84775611
Because sex is meaningful, meaningless sex is undignified and empty. It's even worse if that sex is forced violently. Meaningless sex is like if you opened your heart out to someone only for them to betray you, it's a vulnerable act. And if it's no longer a vulnerable act then the person has become desensitized which in itself brings problems because it means they can't connect with someone and see sex as merely a transaction of pleasure or even of money instead of something that's intimate. Is this not undignified? Or is it dignified to give yourself out freely? A person's sexual identity is just one facet of their dignity, all that means is keeping a part of yourself that you don't just give away freely, it means having boundaries. Obviously if someone forcefully takes this away from you it infringes on someone's dignity, that's exactly why it's traumatizing. But if you don't acknowledge this, if you instead say sex is a meaningless rubbing of bodies and exchange of body fluids, that it can be bought and sold, that you can even have it casually, how could you possibly in turn condemn rape as if it was especially bad instead of it being comparable to other acts of bodily harm or infringements of consent? If it's not that special then why are people affected like it is, and why do we treat it like it is? And if we do, then why are we inconsistent about it, why do we simultaneously accept laissez-faire notions of sex like it was merely a business or financial transaction then act like puritans in other contexts? You either accept the laisez-faire notions of sex, or you think sex is more than that, it's logically inconsistent to hold both view of sex at once.
>>84775579
Yeah I think that is the case, they just believe in whatever norms suits them, so they believe in more puritan norms when an icky incel is being rapey, but when it's having sex with a bunch of chads those norms don't matter.

>>84775707
>Yeah I think that is the case, they just believe in whatever norms suits them, so they believe in more puritan norms when an icky incel is being rapey, but when it's having sex with a bunch of chads those norms don't matter.
Exactly this brother. They are stupid. You've already put the good arguments in front of them and look what they've resorted to, actual retardation that elementary school kids would peddle.