I have never been loved all my life.Is it a normal experience or are we just unlucky?Do other people care? How do they view us if at all?Does it get better?Can demons or the devil help? I would sacrifice my soul immediately just to be loved, but it seems like the Christians are lying>don't deal with the devil, you'll get what you want but you'll go to hell!I'm still waiting for the "get what you want" part.
>>84858469For the devil to give you something, you need to have something to give. The soul stuff is bullshit.
>>84858469I want to make an autistic woman happy with my genes one day
>>84858469If you are one of this things then it is your fault>autistic>fat>poor>balding or blad>not at least a bit fitYeah no woman worth anything will ever love you and you clearly do not want some fat single mom based on your video.
>>84858469>I have never been loved all my life. Is it a normal experience or are we just unlucky?It is a normal experience, even if not everyone goes through it, and it is still unlucky. It is not your fault you haven't received it. >Do other people care? How do they view us if at all?Most people are caught up in their worlds. Society doesn't reward caring about the meek. But there are people out there who care. They are just hard to find or have been hurt and put back into their shell. >Does it get better?It can get better. Effort isn't always proportional to the effect it has, unfortunately, but there are things you can do for yourself. You are, at the end of the day, the only person who you have to live with 24/7. It is better to help yourself become someone you understand and care about, than to wait around for someone else to try to. The better you can do these things, the more equipped you are for when a connection comes your way, anyway. It helps you not self-sabotage and to connect.
>>84858469>In a world of winners I'm a loser, because winning begets losing as per the dualistic nature of the universeWelcome to club pal, take a seat.
>>84858513>no woman worth anything will ever love youWhy do you feel this way? What makes a woman worth anything?
>>84858513telling an autistic sub5 to get fit and hop on fin is like putting fire out with a squirt gun
>>84858513All this proves is that love has been commodified into who can provide the most material vanity. Such a stupid system isn't worth a passing glance. You're fucking stupid.
>>84858522>>84858528>>84858531Why are you fucks coping go and get with an ugly piece of shit fat bitch if you are anything I wrote holy shit.
>>84858531NTAThe person you're replying to isn't stupid, they're just recognizing patterns.On the surface, and for shallow people - mostly those with looks because they don't have to have a personality - "love," if you can even call it that, is almost purely transactional. That isn't to say that a purer form doesn't exist, because I believe wholeheartedly that it does, but it's not "stupidity" that causes this thinking.
>>84858566Pic related will love you a lot why are you not taking her :)
>>84858563Love is about way more than looks. If you spend enough time around someone who is a good person, who has a good heart and personality, it is possible to fall deeply in love, even if they aren't the prettiest. This is backed by research, if you want to look into it.
>>84858469>I have never been loved all my life.That's ok, Anon. You won't ever be. Just find ways to be happy alone.
>>84858578It we could work out together and get healthy, and she was a good woman who I was compatible with personality and interest wise, I don't see why not. Why are you so aggressive?
>>84858589Not the OP>You won't ever be loved. You do not know this and it isn't right to tell OP this. You don't know anything about them and are projecting your own biases, and fears, onto him. >Just find ways to be happy alone.Yes, he should do this, but totally closing the door to connection makes no sense, when you can learn to be happy with yourself AND leave that door open (if you aren't focusing on it).
>>84858588Holy cope fucking blackpilled cuck. Love = lust nothing more. There is no love without attraction, this is not how humans work.>>84858599>get healthyShe is fat is healthy yikes you disgusting fatphobe. And she is a good woman she takes care of her child should say enough now go and work hard for her :)
>>84858641> Holy cope fucking blackpilled cuck. How am I blackpilled? >Love = lust nothing more. There is no love without attraction, this is not how humans work.Love does not equal lust, they are two distinct neurochemical processes. You can be attracted to more than looks, though. >She is fat is healthy yikes you disgusting fatphobe. And she is a good woman she takes care of her child should say enough now go and work hard for her :)I know you're trying to ragebait me here, but I also know you understand how being overweight is unhealthy. I would care about the health of my partner, because I would want to be with them a long time. I have no idea who she is. And what's up with your passive-aggressive smiley faces and attitude? I'm not being mean to you.
>>84858469You don't get what you want robot. You want love, that is something from God. His enemy cannot give you something he has no control over.You feel love as a reflection of your Father's love for you. Plato would say by living in accordance with virtue you will feel more love. Christians would say there is forever a God shaped hole in your soul, one we all try to fill with all manner of sin. He is the only path to feeling the kind of love you crave. The kind that comes from the one who knowingly crafted you, who knows every hair on your head and who died to give you the chance to know Him.That said>>I'm literally a fat chud who will never be loved romantically. Its over for me.Its more and more normal, almost half of gen Z are virgins and not by choice. Older gens see us as losers who just need to>>Get out there champ!I'm 21, been on 1 date, its worse having had the smallest taste.
>>84858469>have never been loved all my life.Me neither.>Is it a normal experience or are we just unlucky?We're just unlucky. Most of my friends had parents who loved them and a foid by the time they were 18.>Do other people care? How do they view us if at all?Most people do not care.Most men who care are sympathetic to us. Most women who care however are generally apprehensive and distrustful of us because our status in their minds indicates some kind of defect i.e. if he's still a KHV at 20 there must be something wrong with him, we should stay away maybe they're right I dunno. Most people however don't care.>Does it get better?I don't know, I think to think that it does.>Can demons or the devil help? I would sacrifice my soul immediately just to be loved, but it seems like the Christians are lyingDemons, the devil and god none of it are real. Neither are souls.However, the faustian bargain is a good analogy for what you can do. In short, if you want to gain everything, you will have to sacrifice everything. I can tell you more specifically if you would like. There is however a price, a paltry price I assure you. It was completely worthless anyways.
>>84858669You can't argue with retards who didn't arrive at their conclusion from logic. He's a seething blackpilled doomer. All you can do is attempt counterprogramming, not argument.
>>84858566And refusing to be the #1 clown in the circus is not something anyone should be condemned for. Hylics are the ones who scathingly lash the people who refuse to participate in their evil system. The whole issue of dating and procreation can simply be boiled down to the deep sickness if the human condition. It simply must be ignored, because anyone with any respect left for themselves will choose nothing over the parody.
>>84858469being loved once and then never again is its own level oh hell because now you know exactly what you are missing. if you get close enough to a girl, she becomes part of you. it's like your brains are psychically linked forever. i can feel her presence across thousands of miles of space and time. it makes me believe there might be such a thing as an immortal soul.
>>84858588>This is backed by research, if you want to look into it.Source? Or are you just gonna say its common sense and make shit up like most bluepillers.The research I've read is that most women decide within 30s of seeing you whether they will date you at all. What happens after that is another matter, but most of us here are stuck at the first part, getting women to be interested at all.
>>84859658Yeah, I have sources and I'm not a bluepiller, fyi. >The research I've read is that most women decide within 30s of seeing you whether they will date you at all. The 30-second claim is a real finding, but it's from speed dating research, a context specifically designed to simulate stranger-to-stranger snap judgments, same as dating apps. That research explicitly notes it can only speak to first impressions, not lasting impact on likelihood of actually dating someone.A consistent finding across multiple studies is that ideal partner preference-matching predicts attraction to photographs, but as soon as two people interact face-to-face, those pre-formed checklists have weak or negligible effects on how attracted people actually feel. Plus, a meta-analysis across multiple speed-dating datasets found that both compatibility (the unique chemistry between two specific people) and mate value (how broadly attractive someone is) predicted later romantic pursuit; meaning first impressions matter, but so does something that can only emerge through interaction. (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022103118305961)(https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2015/07/when-attractive-people-do-or-dont-choose-equally-good-looking-mates)(https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2206925119)
>>84859658>What happens after is another matter. Most of us here are stuck at the first part, getting women to be interested at allIf it is now, "what happens after is another matter," then we're no longer talking about a fixed biological wall. We're talking about a stage that has variables, that responds to context, behavior, and connection. That's a completely different problem than your first statement implies. The moment you separate initial physical screening from sustained interest and connection, you've already admitted there's more than one door, and that the second one isn't determined by bone structure or whathaveyou. So, the real problem is that you are struggling to find opportunities to meet women organically, where you can get to know each other and see if you're compatible. This might be a better focus and problem to solve than worrying about the first 30 seconds.
>>84858469This is an extremely foolish thread and there are lots of extremely foolish replies.
>>84860005Enlighten us, 150IQ Veilwalker, architect of the unseen, weaver of probability, summoner of the liminal, who have drunk the black milk of the Abyss, carved sigils into the quantum foam of reality, bound servitors that eat stars for breakfast, and laughed as gods bled from forgotten grimoires.
>>84859983The first study doesn't say anything regards to that mostly that people aren't actually attracted to what they claim to.The second study does sort of prove your point that people who start as friends rather than instantly dating tolerate more variance in attractivness but only very slightly and its methods are rather dubious in my opinion since it was a sample of only about 150 people all in a tiny town in Evanston Illinois and most of them were married and just surveryed about how their relationships started it reeks of survivorship bias plus just tiny and biased sample in general from a different generation too.Your last study disproves your own point. It found that the initial 30s impressions (looks) linger long into the relationship and is one of the most defining predictors for a successful relationship. I.e. first impressions / looks remain extremely important even far along the relationship you would think it matters less but that study found otherwise.
>>84860016I think you know exactly what I'm talking about.
>>84859658Oh, and then there's mere exposure effect, first identified by psychologist Robert Zajonc. It's the well-replicated finding that repeated exposure to a stimulus increases liking for it, even without any conscious awareness of the process.Reis et al. tested this in live interactions specifically and found strong support for the familiarity-attraction hypothesis: the more participants interacted with each other, the more attracted they became, with perceived responsiveness, increased comfort, and a sense of being known identified as the mechanisms driving it. (https://www.psy.lmu.de/allg2/download/audriemmo/ws1011/mere_exposure_effect.pdf)(https://www.sas.rochester.edu/psy/people/faculty/reis_harry/assets/pdf/ReisManiaciCaprarielloEastwickFinkel_2011.pdf)(https://www.psy.lmu.de/allg2/download/audriemmo/ws1011/mere_exposure_effect.pdf)Sorry, forgot about these until after I sent my other posts. But I went deep down this rabbit hole a while ago, hopefully this is helpful.
>>84858469get high like I do weed is my gf
>>84859987>The moment you separate initial physical screening from sustained interest and connection, you've already admitted there's more than one door, and that the second one isn't determined by bone structure or whathaveyou.Arguable, the above anons 3rd study showed that bone structure might be extremely important for even the next few doors. In any case my point was just to stay focused, the first door like finding a job is hardest after all why would we be concerned about what comes after? Besides if a girl is genuinely interested in you the rest is easy and if you get dumped but you pass the attraction barrier: well you can just find another in a week so no biggie. You guys keep on obfuscationing everything to play devil's advocate but finding a relationship really is the whole game and I'm sick of pretending otherwise.>So, the real problem is that you are struggling to find opportunities to meet women organically, where you can get to know each other and see if you're compatible. This might be a better focus and problem to solve than worrying about the first 30 seconds.How can you figure out if someone is compatible in the first 30s? Women seem to stop with these 'personality' or 'compatibility' copes yes relationships might fall apart from these things but read above that's not the problem.
>>84858469It feels great, specially when you have tested her loyalty and you know she actually loves you by who you are and not for what you have, and you know she is capable of crazy things for you, having someone to coformt you and take care you in hard times or when you are sick, someone that would literally die for you is a beatiful thing. it sucks to think that some people will never experience that, i know it did suck before i experienced that, my view of the world was incredibly shallow, even though I had had sex with dozens of girls and already had relationships, they were all shallow, experiencing true love for someone and being loved its an entirely different thing, it's not just being attracted, it's much more than, that to the point that you both end up having part of one another's personality, it's crazy.All of that being said, like everything in life, it's not all sunshines and flowers and it's got prons and cons, when you are responsable for somebody else's feelings you are basically restricted in many ways since many things can directly or indirectly affect her, it can feel as though you can't live the life you wanted to or reached the potential you had, and you might even feel trapped and that will make you resent that person in the long term, many conflics will arrive, love also means loving the person to their full extent, with all their flaws, not just the idelialized version of that person. It's ultimately a trade off and a sacrifice. I would say for me it's not worth it, for other people it might be, but know that it's a trade off. Being alone you can be anythiing, you can do anything, your only limiting factor is your own will and skill.
>>84860036Here's a source for the people not weighting what they think is important as much as they say: (https://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/eli-finkel/documents/EastwickFinkel2008_JPSP.pdf)Speed-daters' stated preferences correlated poorly with their actual yes/no decisions, correlations ranging from .00 to .17, and the evidence for sex differences in physical attractiveness preference was substantially weaker when people were actually interacting with a potential partner versus reporting hypothetical preferences. The second, I agree that the methods were kind of dubious, maybe not the best example. Although the sample size was 167 couples, not people. Here is a stronger source, it's a meta-analysis of nearly 1,900 participants across seven studies.It found that two thirds reported their current or most recent relationship began as a friendship, and the vast majority said they hadn't entered that friendship with romantic intentions.(https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/19485506211026992)The Baxter (2022) read isn't right, though. That study separated initial attraction into three components (broad attractiveness, general desirousness, and unique chemistry between two specific people). Both attractiveness and unique compatibility predicted later pursuit, at roughly comparable effect sizes. The researchers themselves noted they were surprised compatibility was just as strong a predictor as popularity.So it doesn't show looks dominate everything. It shows two things linger: how broadly attractive someone is, and something that can only emerge through actual interaction. That second variable is the whole point, it's not visible in 30 seconds.
>>84860062>3rd study showed that bone structure might be extremely important for the next few doorsThe study did not show that attraction was the most important factor, nor did it show that attraction alone keeps people in relationships.I'm not trying to make broad claims that looks don't matter with this, just that physical desirability isn't the only important, nor decisive, factor. >The first door like finding a job is hardest after all why would we be concerned about what comes after? Besides if a girl is genuinely interested in you the rest is easy and if you get dumped but you pass the attraction barrier: well you can just find another in a week so no biggie.Getting an interview doesn't mean you get the job, and getting the job doesn't mean you keep it. Nobody argues you should only focus on the resume and ignore everything else. "If she's interested the rest is easy" isn't most people's experience and you probably know that. Interest fades, compatibility problems surface, people grow apart, timing goes wrong. The men I know who are also miserable in their dating lives aren't the ones who can't get initial interest, they're the ones who keep getting to date three or four and hitting the same wall. I guess if you only want sex and not a relationship, that matters here, but I'm talking specifically about long term, rewarding relationships. I'm specifically trying to say that, yes, attraction makes getting into a relationship easier, but it isn't the only way to get into a relationship and 30 seconds doesn't seal your fate, if you're in the right environment (which you CAN pursue, even if it isn't easy).
>>84860062>How can you figure out if someone is compatible in the first 30s? Women seem to stop with these 'personality' or 'compatibility' copes yes relationships might fall apart from these things but read above that's not the problem.The compatibility framing wasn't about the first 30 seconds; that's not my point. My point was that the problem you actually describe, struggling to meet women organically, is a structural and social problem, not a fixed biological one. Those have different solutions. Treating them as the same thing is what keeps people stuck.>You guys keep on obfuscationing everything to play devil's advocate but finding a relationship really is the whole game and I'm sick of pretending otherwise.Yes, finding out where to meet women and be around them and allow these sorts of things to flourish is the problem; but, there are things you can try if you are committed to the idea of finding someone. I understand how frustrating it is and I empathize with you on that. It's just, when you frame it like "only the first 30 seconds matters," that's not the full picture and not true in itself.
>>84860307why dont these things get brought up more in redpill conversations? seems like i only see the opposite
>>84860789Ambiguity is harder to stomach than something pre-prescribed and "certain" - even though nothing is certain. People overcome the odds everyday. It's such a slim chance that we'd even exist and be talking right now.
