Have you thought about technology like CRISPR and genetic engineering? When designer babies become a thing, I don't think anyone will want an ugly son or daughter. Eugenics is a controversial topic, but I doubt people will care that much when you're not sterilizing and killing dysgenic people. Just look at Alysa Liu and Eileen Gu. Sure they're not pure designer babies edited on a lab, but their fathers/mothers still decided to choose the best sperm/eggs available and selected the best embryos. IVF is like proto eugenics. But this will become huge once some company reveals a baby was 100% edited and grows to be an athletic gigachad with the IQ of a genius.
>>84864918humans wont exist in the future if we keep doing what were doing
>>84864947STFU you support Down Syndrome people being born. >>84864918And eugenics is a GOOD thing. >t. Dysgenic
>>84864918Incels will always exist because women pick the top X%, if you make everyone 3x more attractive they will just get 3x pickier
>>84864959your mom has down syndrome faggot
>>84865034Really, that's the best insult you can come up with? "No u"? At least I actually addressed what you actually want for the human race. More dysgenics.
>>84864918>Have you thought about technology like CRISPR and genetic engineering?Extensively.Have you considered that science has been caught exaggerating and lying about the accuracy and effectiveness of their fantasy technologies for funding?CRISPR is cool, problem is it is they are selling it as something that is an autocorrect that makes no mistakes. I. Reality, it's like an autocorrect that occasionally changes words to shit no one was trying to say.(Cue the Apple autocorrect text memes)>When designer babies become a thing, I don't think anyone will want an ugly son or daughter.You are assuming it's all genetic. You can have great genes but if you do nothing but eat Doritos and game all day, you aren't gonna be Mr. Universe.>Just look at Alysa Liu and Eileen Gu. Sure they're not pure designer babies edited on a lab, but their fathers/mothers still decided to choose the best sperm/eggs available and selected the best embryos. They have done experiments trying to use genetic engineering in cattle so the absolute best sperm will fertilize the absolute best egg for the absolutely best calf. Wanna know what they learned? It was more effective and cheaper to just let two prime cows breed.I have a feeling humans will reach similar conclusions
>>84865111>I. Reality, it's like an autocorrect that occasionally changes words to shit no one was trying to sayntaIt's the first time I see this point of view. Where did you get this info?
>>84864959Ya know what, lets have the eugenics discussion.Wanna know why eugenics fails? Two prime issues that are not addressed.>Government doesn't take environmental chemicals seriously that can effect reproductive outcomes such as glyphosate and atraizine. They don't do this cause it hurts big corpo profits.>It is always negative incentives trying to remove people out of the gene pool and never positive incentives taking a wholistic picture into account.The problem with encouraging those dirty hecking low IQ poors to sterilize themselves or those disabled to sterilize themselves is sometimes their conditions are not generational nor is IQ tied to their achievements. Wanna eradicate autism? You lose one of the greatest minds that revolutionized meat packing and some of the greatest software engineers.Wanna eradicate aggression? Aggression leads to violence but the flip side is it leads to innovation as well. It's why matriarchies fall apart.Ugly people don't necessarily have ugly kids. Models don't necessarily have beautiful children.One thing that seems hereditary is IQ. If Eugenics were serious the goal should be incentives for high IQ men to have children.But there are flaws with the IQ quantification process. IQ isn't everything either (but it is helpful).So if you want a non objectionable eugenics program, have it so women get state assistance for raising high IQ sperm. But you run into another problem, single moms fuck over a kids future, and high IQ in a poor opportunity environment usually means really smart criminals.
>ewww he was made in the off-brand clinic
>>84865111Crispr is just the beginning tho. There's definitely going to be more tech born out of genetic research.
>>84865139Whitney Web went over the inaccuracies of CRISPR in practice vs CRISPR in reporting on her podcast unlimited hangout.James Corbett has also raised concerns over CRISPRs accuracy.>Here is an example of Genetic engineering not being what was promised>Take genetically modified seeds>Promised to have these insane yeilds, sold to farmers as needing less and producing moreSo what happened once the GMO seeds were used?>Yeilds were more or less the same>The data appeared to be purposely manipulated to show favorable results due to the company funding it telling the scientists what they wanted the results to be.Why do it?>They get royalties for their patented seeds being used preventing farmers from saving and reusing seeds.So doesn't do what they claim, has reduced nutritional value and patent trolls you into suing farmers with no long term studies on cross polination effects. Great. Hey at least Monsanto gets a royalty check for you subscribing to their licensed seeds.
>>84864918>average baby starts getting conceived with $20,000 worth of gene editing >women start wanting to only fuck men with at least $100,000 worth of gene editing >80/20 rule remains exactly the same as before, except now everyone has to spend a huge amount of money on their baby
>>84864918>everyone starts editing their sons to be at least 6 ft tall >some parents realize that if everyone is 6 ft tall, then their son won't stand out so they opt to make theirs 6'6 instead >but then other parents realize that other parents are also editing their son to be 6'6 and go even further determined for their son to be the most standout >within two to three generations all men are disgenic, 10 ft tall monstrosities with limbs so long and heavy they can't walk or feed themselves
>>84864918>whitey jerks off in a plastic cup and spends 100k on each baby to make sure its perfect>ngugu just plaps his wife and raises 6 kids for a quarter of the cost
>>84865356>>84865410You just think that people born ugly are more soulful, so you just want to keep the torture machine going on forever.
>>84865333Pt 2.Continuing on this thought, this is how I see "muh CRISPR babies" going, except they will push harder for patent license royalties on a living person.>Advertise your baby will have 0 defects and be perfect and stronger and better>When babies turn out not to be all that was promised, blame environmental factors and accept 0 liability >Then charge humans for DNA alterations made in living humansThis is why I am not a fan of what MRNA shit is coming down the pipeline until patent law around biological organisms is fixed.>Those antibodies that saved you are our property! You owe us a licensing fee for continuing to produce them>Do did you get myocarditis? Purely an external coincidence just like the aggressive cancer cases.Don't even get me started on the legal argument on if designer babies would still be classified as humans from a legal standpoint.And if that happens, oh boy is shit gonna get fucked up.I have no objections to Eugenics from a POSITIVE trait outnumbering stand point. Having nobel prize winners be sperm donors, state subsidized high IQ marriages that do not favor the mother of she chooses divorce, healthier family units, less endocrine disrupters...But the thing is that ain't a "Eugenics" program....That's government being efficient in it's welfare system and Government looking out for it's people.
>>84865356>Still pretending it isn't about looksThe handsome criminals living in poverty being desired by women wasn't enough for you?
>>84864918The future belongs to primitive hominids.
>>84865461lul was *just* going to post this.
>>84865461...but also this as well.
>>84865139NTA the problem is that there's no way to tell the cleaving molecules which parts of the DNA to cut and paste with any useful accuracy. As it exists rn, CRISPR trying to edit specific portions of a DNA sequence is sort of like putting chocolate syrup in milk and telling the syrup molecules which specific milk molecules to bind to while leaving others untouched. In reality, the syrup just binds to whatever it runs into first.
>>84865457>That's government being efficient in it's welfare system and Government looking out for it's people.Nailed it. The problem is the government operating incorrectly. And the source of that problem is people who are so addicted to comfort that they're not willing to put in the effort to keep their government in check.
>>84864918Pt 3 of >>84865457Raccoon Girl is used as the example for genetic engineering, one problem... Her success is a testament to single father households.Not Genetic selection.We have little info of her mom or dad being remarkable genetic stock. Above average? Sure.What we have extensive info on is the excellent family structure her father and grandmother provided which lead to her Gold medal success.>But what about THE ENHANCED GAMES!Peter Theil funded a stand up comedy joke and saw what would happen. Rather than trying to force every athlete to be drug free dope them up as much as possible for maximum performance.The results? Well, not as great as you'd think. Turns out they didn't exactly match or set any records despite being on hormones and chemicals.>However...That isn't to say it doesn't have it's place. What it shows is that strong drive and push to perform is more important than shooting up roids.As we learned from Lance Armstrong, steroids can help push you to world record achievements.But there is a trade off. There is a reason those insane 80s body builders died young as fuck of enlarged hearts and cancer.Look I'm not against finding out how to prevent autism or negative elements. The thing is we have yet to isolate the causes and we are already pushing a solution with the worse possible legal compensation structure.A profit motive ensures companies researching this will always do it in the shittiest "we are liable for nothing but you owe us compensation" way.If you want eugenics and genetic engineering that is not tainted by profit motives, you will need it to be ideological or government funded (that has it's own issues)Maybe let's focus on getting incentives for the environmental factors in society corrected first, then isolate the causes of undesirable health issues, before going in and trying to change the genome?I am kinda tired of pseudo intellectuals trying to hype up stuff without fully understanding it or the problem
>>84865333>>84865457>Whitney Web>James CorbettI will look further on what they say about CRISPR. Thank you for sharing your opinion.
>>84865525Knowing that gives me some hope that the next 10 years will still be livable even with technology advancing so fast. I'm actually kinda afraid of what's going to be of us, normal people, in the weird world people like OP want to live.
>>84865658>"normal" peopleYou mean unmarketable dregs destined for retail. I can't wait to be reborn as a designer baby, so that I can stay away from you insufferable sanctimonious virtue-signalling and victimhood worshipping bastards ever again. Not OP btw.
>>84864918if everyone gets more attractive we'll still have top 20% of attractive people
>>84865583>The problem is the government operating incorrectly. And the source of that problem is people who are so addicted to comfort that they're not willing to put in the effort to keep their government in check.I think the diagnosis here is incorrect.It's not even necessarily about comfort. If comfort=negative outcomes in children the ghetto would be producing nobel prize winners.>So what is the problem.Freakenomics (the 2 books and the podcast... at least until the podcast went to shit and became ideology propaganda and was only done by the writer and not the economist) answers this perfectly.Incentives.Incentive structures change everything.However incentives are structures and cause and effect are harder to comprehend than you would think. Pay kids for good grades? Okay, what if they care more about socializing than academic performance? Freakenomics Movie learned this was often the case.As for governments... Ugghhh. It's beyond complicated. My political beliefs are that I am an infrastructuralist, the governments job above all else is to make sure that infrastructure is kept in tip top shape so that it is easy for business to run, people to go to work, and leisure to be possible. From there when people start messing with stuff too much you get unintended outcomes.And example was the Romanian abortion ban to increase birthrates. What happened, they went up short term, declined again, then lead to an overflow of the most horrific state run orphanages where the children were abused and neglected in the most heartbreaking ways. You can see footage on YouTube.>Mothers didn't want the kid and weren't incentivized to raise them>The state took them but weren't incentivized to do a good job>The state employees had more incentive to run fucked up experiments or sell them to child traffickers than find them loving homes.>Corporations were incentivized to sell tainted medicine to the orphanages for tax write-offs instead of eat a loss.
>>84864959Eugenics can only be implimented by an already eugenic society: It's a preventive measure, not a cure.
>>84865679>I can't wait to be rebornYou won't be reborn. We will always be failures and if CRISPR advance too fast, we will need to compete against these superior humans in the job market.>virtue-signallingI'm not signalling any virtue, I'm only being selfish. It's that simple.
>>84865733>We will always be failuresSpeak for yourself, I already cheated and conned my way out of the capitalistic cradle-to-grave serf/slave hamster wheel. Now I just need to be Stacy, instead of the Beckiest of Beckys.
>>84865758I want to beat you up tbdesu
>>84865821Yeah yeah, another person who hates me because *I* am the one that won. You wouldn't be so pissed about it if it were a Stacy in my position, because unironically only Stacy deserves freedom and happiness. While I deserve nothing but hell and torment, due to the way I look. Get in line and take a number. /fin
>>84865729Eugenics misinterpreted the problem and then implemented a solution.>Remove negative genes from society Problem is genes aren't that simple. Turns out certain traits are a combination of genes layered with epigenetic effects from the environment. It's never as simple as turn one gene on and you are a super human, turn one gene off and you will never get cancer.Oh, I'm not anti Eugenics, however the solution is all wrong. You see the goal is you have your top humans breed in massive numbers with optimal conditions to our number undesirables.>But what if muh pure genetics breed with a filthy undesirable Good. You see it's a numbers game. The goal is to BRING UP THE AVERAGE.Not eradicate genetic diversity.Take racism for example.Sure, there are reasons one may not like blacks but as Peter Nygard learned there are certain black genetic traits that have benefits (even if just for stem cell consumption).Also a certain amount of genetic diversity prevents certain illnesses.If it's a matter of not liking behaviors, it turns out understanding behavior incentives and raising a kid right is more effective than a eugenics program.
>>84865837>You wouldn't be so pissed about it if it were a Stacy in my positionI can't see your face through a screen so there would be no difference in my reaction.
>>84865875Oh, so then you're just jealous that I don't have to do the humiliating monkey dance that is the current state of the college to career pipeline. (As in, non-existent for anyone outside of the right families or those who can't find important connections.) Get in line and take a ticket for that too. Idgaf
>>84864971Entered this thread to say exactly this.Women would only judge men by even more particular minutiae.There is no finish line for men.
>>84865679>"I am gonna be a super Genetic human being cause I will have superior genes and the companies pushing the tech for a profit motive will never make a single mistake or over exaggerate the abilities of the technology for money.>Anyone concerned about "long term side effects", "issues with interbreeding", "CRISPR not working correctly" is just a genetically inferior Luddite unlike me who is super duper smart and listened to what some NPR think piece said and didn't ask any questions!>WHY DO YOU HATE PROGRESS AND TECHNOLOGY!>DIDN'T YOU SEE HOW AWESOME, SAFE AND EFFECTIVE THE COVID 19 VAX WAS? THAN MRNA VAX TECH WORKED ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY!I BET YOU ARE UNVAXXXXED AND A BROWN NIGGER!"You are seriously one of those people who think you are high IQ if give money to NPR.
>>84865908...yeah, and *you're* still a carnie-ass gravitron operator with meth teeth. Many such cases.
>>84865897>Won't do humiliating monkey dance of working to achieve goals>Does humiliating rodent dance of being a medical experiment I'm not even against the tech persay but over hype like this doesn't help make progress, it just angers people when it doesn't do what it says it would.
>>84865897You never had to be in the rat race if you are a girl. Nobody wants you in the job market, go become a housewife or something.
>>84865204Poverty does not cause crime lmao. Monozygotic twins have 2-3x the concordance rate for crime in comparison to dizygotic twins, even when controlling for shared or different upbringing, so genetics are the primary cause for crime.
>>84865923I literally build and test nuclear reactors for a living.But go on, tell us more about your superior human fantasies or reincarnation in a designer gene baby and how superior you are for taking gene therapies you don't fully comprehend that aren't fully studied yet.
>>84865926Goals are only for the genetically gifted. Not the dysgenic consumer-slop Walmart tier moo moo cattle. It should be a crime for dysgenics to breed in a capitalistic society.
>>84865942>taking gene therapies you don't fully comprehend that aren't fully studied yetYeah, you got me. I *would* volunteer to be an experimental baby. It's better than being Walmart. /fin
>>84865939Exactly where did I say genetics had 0 effect?Also by this logic people predisposed to crime should be raised in prison due to genetics.Once again, pro eugenists think they have the solution without fully understanding the problems, cause and effect, or incentive structures.>But what if someone is predisposed to be a murderSounds great for military service.>But what about narcissistsThey are specifically screened and selected for roles as pilot so that you have someone who doesn't 2nd guess themselves.My argument wasn't genetics have no effect, my argument was a proper incentive structure and upbringing yeilds good outcomes.
>>84865946Oh hot damn, not only is this guy a master of biology and genetics, this nigga is a PHD in criminal science and has all the solutions to how the government should be ran at 100% efficiency and 0 negative outcomes.Let me guess, a system where people have no rights and you micromanage their life and if something goes wrong it's their fault, not your system failing?>>84865954You can get a COVID 19 vaccine now. Let us know how it goes.>>84865971Lol, you think I enlisted. That's adorable.I see why someone who jumps to conclusions fell for the "techno gene edit utopia" meme.
The money is the PRODUCT. We are NOT all created "equal". Don't fucking (You) me ever again. I already took the vaccine more than once.
Now I am leaving this thread.
>>84864947>>84864959>eugenics is a GOOD thing.Yes, which is why the human species will not exist in the future.
>>84865995>Let me guess, a system where people have no rights and you micromanage their life and if something goes wrong it's their fault, not your system failing?Yes.
>>84865978Predisposition is not a guarantee for crime, why would they be raised in prison lmao. >poverty usually means really smart criminalsYou said poverty usually caused crime, I just chimed in to tell you you're wrong, because it's primarily genetics. Idk why it's so hard to admit you were either wrong or phrased it wrongly, because you specifically implied what I said you did. I didn't even talk about eugenics, you just assumed I'm pro eugenics because of the thread we're in and started sperging out about hypotheticals I don't care about, despite me not claiming they'd happen.
>>84866051>Muh Peter Theil worshiperHe's literally a government subsidized welfare queen implementing Government programs in the private sector to get around the Government doing them being illegal.Most of his garbage is DARPA hand me downs.His private equity firm Mythril would have been wiped out in 2008 during the subprime mortgage crisis if he didn't get a bailout.4 years ago he was targeting the very same people he is pretending he is totally siding with now.Companies like flock don't even encrypt their footage or data.His predictive technology has 50% accuracy, or about as good as just guessing.Hell his recognition tech can't tell the difference between a gun and a bag of Doritos.Nigger, if you hate nigger cattle Walmart welfare queens so much maybe not choose the butt fucking faggot who is literally the biggest welfare queen on earth...
