Do men actually want a relationship anymore?I'm talking about the type of relationship where the woman is actually feminine, kind, loving, nurturing. In turn, the man is protective, strong, and caring. It feels like all men want to be cute and submissive, and be jobless while the woman passes her CPA exam and makes six figures so he can play fortnite all day. Its like the traditional dynamic that has worked for generations is dead and unwanted.
>>84872004fuck off with this nonsenseyou dont actually want a "protective" guy, you want a tall built animal who can beat others upyou dont want the average guy, stop trying to gaslight people
>>84872032>you want a tall built animalMost women don't want that. 8-12% body fat on a man whos like 200 pounds of pure muscle is only attractive to other men. >you don't want the average guyBut you're right, I do not want the average guy, because the average guy is weak both mentally and physically, and doesn't take care of himself. I don't understand the aggression towards a totally normal comment, but I guess I cam empathize with the idea of feeling gaslit. Im really sorry anon that so many people on the internet use this sentiment to make men feel bad or gaslit. This is an anonymous site, and I feel like it is the only place for me to actually be honest. It is hard to admit that as a woman id actually like to be submissive and protected, rather than larp as a girlboss.
Posting in a low effort bait thread for the hell of it.
>>8487214920-25% is so nice. 30% is fine too. could do 35%. why do men do this shit to themselves
>>84872004>Do men actually want a relationship anymore?No honestly. It doesn't seem like a good deal. It honestly seems humilaiting to be in a relationship with a woman.
>>84872172Because what women say what they want and what women actually engage with are two totally different things. You might be saying in this thread that you like 20-25% body fat, but my experience as a man is that women will actively go out of their way to ignore me in public unless I am below ~12%
>>84872004Society is collapsed. Men don't want relationships anymore. Women are just running around. If you're not proper and rich, the country is just going to become India, China, and Russia, where it's a massive poverty nation and a super rich oligarchy.
>>84872190i don't really give a shit what random foids do or don't do around you because they're not me. i wouldn't fuck 15% or below. 20-25% is my sweet spot. i wouldn't fuck 40% either. but i don't even fucking like muscles, i like lanky guys and hate muscles.
>>84872190That's not really true dude. Girls are very open about not liking guys that are too lean and jacked, it's dudes that tell each other that's what girls want.
>>84872004>Do men actually want a relationship anymore?No.
>>84872207Okay, then just understand that you are exceptionally out of the ordinary then and that men do these things to themselves because its what actually manages to get female attention.
>>84872172Agreed, 20-25 is pretty nice. If a man wants to take the extra effort and go for 15, fine. But I dont like when men pretend that 10-15% body fat is the only way women will want them. Its total cope for a man with 35-50% BF who have a terrible personality to claim that their physical looks is the reason nobody wants them. >>84872190> what women say what they want and what women actually engage with are two totally different thingsThis is the same for men. Men online say that they want "literally any girl who will like them back," but complain when the girl isn't good looking enough. Ideally, everyone would have perfection, but few people will actually find it. >but my experience as a man is that women will actively go out of their way to ignore me in public unless I am below ~12%I can empathize with this, and I'm sorry that it is your experience. I also think this is a combination of women don't really approach men anyways, but I guess when they see someone that is too good to pass up, maybe they will approach? Like, not everyone will pick up a dollar off the ground, but a lot of people will pick up a twenty. Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with a dollar, just easier to look past. Same thing with men looking at women. Men will very seldom pass up a 5/10 girl, but might shoot their shot at an 8-9/10. I hope this made sense. But face, in my opinion, is more important than body in many cases.
>>84872221I don't care if you don't think its true, it is precisely the life I have lived. At one point in my life I was almost 300 lbs because I lived in a shit household where I was fed a steady diet of mcdonalds and locked in my room all day. The only point where I started getting any female attention was once I was under 12%.
>>84872237>I also think this is a combination of women don't really approach men anyways, but I guess when they see someone that is too good to pass up, maybe they will approach?I'm not even referring to approaching me. I'm talking about the small things like playing with their hair while eyeing me or being vaguely flirty. I still do not have any women approaching me.
Try marrying a black guy. The media seems to illustrate them as masculine.
men these days just wanna be babied like princesses cant do shit themselves
>>84872004>put in work for a relationship>long term plan to build a life together>I land the high-paying job>I buy us new cars>I work overtime and pick up volunteer opportunities to get more money>I make her a resume and apply for jobs for her>She's unhappy, but I wasn't aware>She wants to get married, I tell her that I do too, but I'm in no hurry>instead of communicating with me, she finds another guy and cheats and walks out>she claims that it's because I wasn't interested in her hobbies>this completely demoralizes me, possibly permanently>sends me in a depressive spiral that fucks my health for over a year>>Do men actually want a relationship anymore?Women don't want relationships anymore.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okX4ndkTpdE
>>84872004I want to be a "classically dominant provider" like that but only to a twink or a tranny. Bonus if they will wear dog ears and cosplay and I can roughly push them around to my satisfaction. Roasties can royally fuck off and die.
>>84872004I want to live on a farm and chain impregnate my big titted catholic latina wife who is also their homeschool teacher.
>>84872265>I'm talking about the small thingsI see. I wish I had an answer, but I unfortunately dont. I hate to be brute when I ask this, but are you attractive, like physically in your face? Because I think I am safe in generalizing women by saying we would rather have a good looking guy with 25% body fat than an ugly guy with 12% body fat. Its not an uncurbable curse either!! Go online and look at those dudes who do crazy transformations with just a haircut. A haircut/facial hair is a mans makeup. >>84872288Anon :( Im really sorry that this happened to you. Maybe this is a plague of this generation. I dont mean to be a POS when I ask this, because clearly it seems like shes in the wrong. 1. Did you let yourself go while she continued to take care of herself?2. Did you sense her withdrawing without asking whats going on? Maybe she felt like you stopped caringShe is definitely in the wrong forcheating, though. Im not going to pretend otherwise. I hope you can heal. >>84872313I really hope you can find this! Godspeed you, anon.
>>84872004Yeah, I'd like to. But I guess I'm not attractive enough for women. And on top of that I might end up inheriting some land in the countryside and move there, and women seem to not like living in the countryside. And after coming from broken family and seeing divorce rates and treatment of men in divorce courts, I have hard time trusting women. Last time it took me year to feel comfortable enough to suggest taking relation to higher level but by that time she lost interest. Future looks bleak.>It feels like all men want to be cute and submissiveBroken sub men you see here maybe.>while the woman passes her CPA exam and makes six figures so he can play fortnite all day.I don't know any many who find this shit attractive. Men know women would dump a man in such relation so if anything, that's a red flag.
>>84872004No, the internet ruined women.
>>84872004yeah. Although I want a woman who is also capable of caring for herself, otherwise she wouldn't know how to raise children to be good adults. I am also young, so I would like to spend a year or two catching up on what I want to do, being just enjoying the relationship between the two of us without external responsibilities.
>>84872330>Anon :( Im really sorry that this happened to you. Maybe this is a plague of this generation.thank you, genuinely.>1. Did you let yourself go while she continued to take care of herself?Yeah I did. I was too distracted in my own work. I gained weight. Stopped dressing nicely. I was just doubling down and trying to build a better life. Often distracting myself and not giving her the attention she deserved.>2. Did you sense her withdrawing without asking whats going on? Maybe she felt like you stopped caringI did, but I thought she was just branching out and making friends locally. I loved her so much that the thought of her cheating on me never crossed my mind. I gave her every benefit of the doubt. When you truly love someone, you're not analyzing them for flaws all the time.I won't lie, I'm not completely without blame. I made a lot of mistakes. But it fucking hurts. Thank you for listening.
>>84872330I'm not exceptional in the face department, but not ugly either, just on the plain side of masculine. That said, a haircut won't help me, I have to shave my head as I'm heavily balding, which yes, I won't lie, is an extreme detriment in the eyes of most women.
>>84872004yeah, i used to. unfortunately, women are not kind, loving, or nurturing anymore due to poor parenting. so theres no point.t. born in 2000
>>84872149this image is utterly wrong
>>84872351> But I guess I'm not attractive enough for womenI cant judge attractiveness, but I said earlier that haircuts and facial hair are a mans version of makeup. Maybe a new haircut to boost your confidence even!>Broken sub men you see here maybe.I totally have a skewed worldview, living in a progressive city and going to college on a campus, but it seems to be common amongst a lot of men. The only two male friends I have... one is fat with a neckbeard but a great friend to me, and the other is as thin as thin can be with long bleached hair. >I don't know any many who find this shit attractive.Maybe because it shows the woman can take care of herself, therefor take care of them, which allows men to be lazy POS, thus the cycle continues. Many women feel like they cant rely on a man, so they have to make a life for themselves. I think this makes a cycle of women can feel protected, so they take care of themselves, which fills them with animosity, which makes them fearful of dating, therefore they have to take care of themselves, etc. I hope that made sense.>>84872372Of course. That was fucked up and genuinely hoping you can heal. Its not joever... its never joever. But this is what I mean by like a protective man. I guess in my ideal world, the man would bring up issues and the woman would be willing to talk. But also in my ideal world, nobody would cheat. >>84872373Baldness isn't necessarily meaning its over. Just means you'll have to work with what you've got. Think about all the women out there with police/military fetishes, most of them must have short hair, and many of them don't even have facial hair! Its not joever, not yet. But it might mean you have to lower your standards, or have a killer personality. Lean into the girls who have daddy issues (i think the link between a woman wanting a cop and having daddy issues is strong.)
>>84872004More and more men want what feminists called for for years - equality, without gender role expectations in either direction. Just a nice simple equal loving relationship with someone whose companionship you enjoy, without either of your behavior needing to be judged on the basis of which set of gender roles it's adhering to But most women only want masculine men, and the few who don't just flip it around and want feminine men. Nobody wants folks who just don't bother to perform gender roles altogether. The right is of course diving balls deep into hardcore traditionalism, and the left is diving into some sort of weird "sacred femininity"/"reactionary feminism" stuff that basically says "actually gender roles are good, and should just benefit women more", with a few holdouts instead saying "women should act like men and men should act like women", rather than having the guts to say that it's stupid to label behavior as masculine or feminine in the first place. All of y'all are a bunch of fucking cowards and conservatives, and its understandable that more and more men want equality and LIBERATION from your genderslop bullshit, rather than continuing to bend the knee to traditionalism or "traditionalism but mirrored"
>>84872445I never said it was over or that I was having difficulties, what I have been doing from the start is point out that women do not actually go for men in the 20-25% body fat range. I do not need advice on getting women, what I need is to get it through your skull that men do this to themselves because its what works for attracting female attention.
>>84872445>I guess in my ideal world, the man would bring up issues and the woman would be willing to talk.I definitely did try, but some, if not most women, are incapable of talking about their emotions. They experience emotions but are unable to quantify. at least that is the understanding I have come to. I don't know if it is actually wholly true. It's just my experience. we are both autistic so that probably played a part.
>>84872288Been there, done this exact thing. Why are they like this?
>>84872419I feel this desu. I was born in 2003, and I feel like men are just all weak, submissive, and I would be embarrassed to bring any of them home. I brought home one guy once, and he was nice. He was about my height, good enough looking, but when my family was like "oh what do you wanna do" he said he didn't know, and turned out his college gpa was like 2.2, trying to go into medical school. Being in a committed relationship with this guy for so long made me loose my dream of being a teacher, and made me feel so much pressure to be a breadwinner. I feel like the hustle of being in finance and business made me loose my femininity in a way. I grew more insecure. >>84872420Is it? Do you have a better ref /genq>>84872446Genuinely never thought of this. I jut feel like when all gender roles are thrown away, both parties kind of loose their place and forget what they want, if that makes sense. I totally empathize with wit the rejecting standard gender roles, but honestly, look where it has gotten us. >. All of y'all are a bunch of fucking cowards and conservatives, and its understandable that more and more men want equality and LIBERATION from your genderslop bullshitIts just difficult because so many men want so many different things. Some say "i want to live on a farm and have 3 kids while my wife is a homeschool teacher." some men want to stay at home and cook dinner for his wife. >>84872473Neurodivergency is definitely a factor. I find as a fellow retard expressing my emotions is difficult, so I tend to default to apathy. >>84872464Maybe attracting female attention just based on having a good body attracts the wrong type of women? Idk though, whatever works.
>>84872004Hate to break it to you OP. but you do know it's literally your gender that is the one that is managing to maintain relationships/being proactive in sex? So you're asking why men aren't seeking relationships? Well probably because you said this sick shit. >>84872149>>84872237Ah yes another woman who WANTS AN ABOVE AVERAGE GUY AND THEN SAYS MEN ALSO PASS DOWN THE AVERAGE GIRL FOR A GIRL WHOS ABOVE AVERAGE.Thats why most of us don't date. Because dumb bitches like you with that way of thinking are running around without consequences until that Chad breaks your heart. Then once again once you realize you dont have the same pull potential as you used to younger, then your standards start shifting. Crazy to think we have to sit there and go with another foid belief we chase the hottest girls meanwhile , bro most of us men don't even get ass now what ?
>>84872508>Maybe attracting female attention just based on having a good body attracts the wrong type of women? Idk though, whatever works.But attracting the wrong kind of woman is far better than attracting none at all like the vast majority of men do.
>>84872519>>84872237>>84872330As a man who feels that I have something to offer, my impression lately is that most women want a man as defined by some random third party. Authorities, media, her slutty retarded peers who have never had a good relationship themselves, they will follow all of those and apply those standards to you long before they simply listen to you, follow you, and try to make that work. You can drone on about how if someone is a vampire werewolf chad they'll listen, but I don't think that's true, they seem to get bored with even him and even if they don't, they are still following these external influences.I want the kind of woman who would just be cool living in a small cabin with me in the woods, OR living in a high rise in a major metro, and our relationship would be about the same regardless. But you don't get that because women are married to the government. They literally don't need men anymore and they barely even pretend to care. The value proposition just isn't there for anyone.You want me to be a man? Be a woman.
>>84872499glad I'm not alone anon. It really fucking hurts. I think in life, women aren't meant to be understood. It's a primal social aspect that reminds us that we are really still just animals at our core. Hypergamy.I am bitter at women but I shouldn't be. They can't control their nature any more than I can.
>>84872004>Do men actually want a relationship anymore?>But to be clear I'm only talking about my weird self-insert pedophilia fantasy relationship where I get to act like a man's submissive daughterThen no, I guess we don't. Get fucked with your toxic gender roles, retard foid.
>>84872004>Do men actually want a relationship anymore?Not me, because the juice ain't worth the sqeeze>I'm talking about the type of relationship where the woman is actually feminine, kind, loving, nurturing.Where would I find such a woman.>In turn, the man is protective, strong, and caring.Not me.>It feels like all men want to be cute and submissive,I don't want to be these things.>and be jobless while the woman passes her CPA exam and makes six figures so he can play fortnite all day.Perhaps this arrangement could potentially be bearable.>Its like the traditional dynamic that has worked for generations is dead and unwanted.By women.
>>84872004>Do men actually want a relationship anymore?Yes, but the kind of woman who I would be happy to have a relationship with either doesn't exist or is so rare that I'm unlikely to run into her. The idea of dating other women feels extremely degrading.
>>84872508>I jut feel like when all gender roles are thrown away, both parties kind of loose their place and forget what they want, if that makes sense.Imagine having so little of a sense of self that one can't figure out what they want without being told what to want by antiquated societal gender ideals. Like, come on, I'm not some super special unique highly capable person, I'm just a regular guy, if I can know what I want without it being dependent on genderslop trash, then other people can do it too>I totally empathize with wit the rejecting standard gender roles, but honestly, look where it has gotten us.Lolwut? For most folks, the level of "rejecting standard gender roles" that has actually occurred in real life falls somewhere on a scale from "literally not at all" to "very inconsistently done to just an extremely limited level". I'd say that any problems occuring are because we haven't gone nearly far enough in actually getting rid of gender roles as opposed to just tweaking them a little bit to be vaguely more inclusive sounding
>>84872004>Do men actually want a relationship anymore?No. There is literally no reason to>Its like the traditional dynamic that has worked for generations is dead and unwanted.Women have spent the last century or so destroying it so yes it is dead and unwanted
>>84872004Not to turn this into a gender war, but it comes down to the market's supply and demand. There are way more women who want to be the provider so most men simply become the feminine one. I struggle to find any women that are interested in things like homeschooling, homesteading etc. I am e-dating someone right now that I am molding into a feminine, kind, loving, nurturing wife (this is only possible because I am her first relationship), but before that I maybe found two suitable partners out of the hundreds I went on dates with and they had major issues. One was raped by her brother and the other had a secret bf.
>>84872563>women aren't meant to be understoodNot sure if I agree with this. For me it's more like do I really want them now that I understand them. It's not like men are much better, so being gay is out. Don't be bitter, just wait til your skin thickens a little and try to play the cards you're dealt
>>84872519As an above average woman, I would like a guy who is at least to my standards. Im a fairly healthy, fairly intelligent person, and id like a guy who is the same. Im not a sub5 pos who is looking for a true chad. >sick shit its sick to want a dude who acts like a dude? >Hate to break it to you OP. but you do know it's literally your gender that is the one that is managing to maintain relationships/being proactive in sex?Could be, and I'm not saying you're entirely wrong. I am not a spokesperson for women everywhere, nor am I really a feminist. I guess, for me, it would be easier to be the type of woman men want if I was around a man who made me feel safe enough to do so. For example, it can be a humiliation ritual to be soft and caring to the modern man who finds joy in ragebait. It can be embarrassing to offer to cook dinner for a man who thinks that a woman cooking dinner is somehow demeaning herself (if that makes sense.)>>84872556>You want me to be a man? Be a woman.Powerful genuinely. >As a man who feels that I have something to offer, my impression lately is that most women want a man as defined by some random third partyI have never really thought of this, but that makes sense! As in, if her friends don't approve of you (for any reason), she may start also not approving of you? That's something to mention.>>84872567>"I wanna be taken care of, and I have a deep desire to also take care of someone else. I dont want to have to pretend to be a girlboss">"YOU MUST HAVE A PEDOPHILIA FANTASY">>84872595Congrats on the relationship! >they had major issuesI am afraid most women have major issues. It feels like women who dont have issues kind of clump together in this conglomerate of blonde haired-tanned skinned-lululemon wearing--homogenous type of woman. Nothing wrong with it, just something ive noticed.
>>84872631>I have never really thought of this, but that makes sense! As in, if her friends don't approve of you (for any reason), she may start also not approving of you? That's something to mention.Within the context of a relationship, most women get their opinions from somewhere. It's supposed to be from their husband, not from their peers. It's not just about approval but standards, expectations, goals and everything else. Women are driven too strongly by appearances which today is expressed as social media performance. You could be a 9.99/10 but they'd rather have a 3/10 who fits in better as an accessory on social media. Women are just not looking to be wives and mothers, they want glam and social buzz and toys and to die alone after a life of empty hedonism.
>>84872004what's wrong with being cute and submissive you fucking bitch
>>84872004>It feels like all men want to be cute and submissive, and be jobless while the woman passes her CPA exam and makes six figures so he can play fortnite all day.Kek this seems very specific good luck on your CPA you won't make 6 figs though only an engineer like me maybe>Its like the traditional dynamic that has worked for generations is dead and unwanted.Yeah no shit and women killed it.
>>84872362I wonder why the tranny OP didn't reply to my post.
>>84872508in telling me your story about your ex, you have completely missed the point of my post and have instead proved it.
>>84872004>Its like the traditional dynamic that has worked for generations is dead and unwanted.Correct, and women killed it.
>>84872718> good luck on your CPAIm not smart enough to maybe even pass a CPA exam but thank you. Good on you for being an engineer. If I was better with computers, that is what I would do. I find it interesting.>>84872362>>84872727Seems fair enough! Of course, I think the bare minimum would be a woman being able to take care of herself, as well as the ability to take care of her family, her husband, etc. I also think that a good 1-4 year gap of just being in a relationship without any other pressures like money, house, children, etc is ideal. >>84872419>yeah, i used to. unfortunately, women are not kind, loving, or nurturing anymore due to poor parentingsorry, you're right. I didn't really know how to reply because you're kind of just preaching to the choir. >>84872746It almost certainly is a shared responsibility. As in, maybe women had a hand, could be 50-75%, but you cant erase an entire generation of weak men creating weaker men.
>>84872004Not with a modern woman. Maybe I'll do the passport bro thing eventually.
>>84872004>woman wants to be a boss bitch career woman>also still wants a """"traditional"""" provider husband who makes more than her instead of a house husband Women are better off being property. They are simply too retarded to be allowed any personal freedom.
I have this good thing going where I only have to work part time. I'm comfy. A woman would only ruin that. I would be back to slaving my life away and for what? Some woman that probably doesn't even like me that much and she has been with other men too.
>>84872631>As an above average woman>posting herePick one
>>84872769>sorry, you're right. I didn't really know how to reply because you're kind of just preaching to the choir.completely fair
>>84872004Yes. Know a girl who wants a healthy, happy romance but can't find anyone yet. Even after mentioning she wouldn't mind if he didn't have a job (especially in this economy) since she makes enough for two, none of us even joked about asking her out. We really try not to bring her lonesomeness up, especially with some of the unfortunate past experiences she's had despite being more careful than many others.Now I personally think she'd be able to have a happy relationship with a number of people in that group, but they've all got goals and jobs they're early on into and would rather establish themselves firmly as adults before getting into a relationship. Maybe things have come together while I've been busy, but basically all of them are just starting their post-secondary careers so probably not.Ideally my plans go even half as well as they can and I'm basically set for life before I get into a relationship. I'd really like to not have to think about how to pay for various realistic expenses, especially if I have children. But this is easy for me to say since I've gone after opportunities most happen to not attempt to take advantage of, especially after a long day/week at work.
>>84872004I'm just a fat autistic chud looking for the loser womanchild of my dreamsI'm not dominant at all but I'm not into femdom shit either
>>84872631>>84872888Yep and this proves my point that OP is a retarded chopped average woman. Because once again, another woman who gets attention through out her whole life believes she's above average. You see OP even this anon called you out on this. You're saying you're "above average" well then, why can't you find your ideal man? Because truth be told, above average women HAVE better options in men. But you don't ? You can't find your ideal guy? Oh we all know why. Because your ideal guy in your eyes is "about as above average as you are" but at the same time, above average men don't show interest you though ? That's weird because women, ESPECIALLY THE ONES WHO ARE ABOVE AVERAGE, do get significantly way more options than a fucking average guy.So let's get this straight OP. You're above average , listed the reasons why,but you struggle on finding a man ? I don't think you're above average OP. Because above average women are more likely to have a chance with above average men. Because a dude knows he is above average most men when he gets put in a position in being one. Us men are very open and honest with ourselves in how we view ourselves.But yet , you as an above average women are on /r9k/ seeking advice on where to find men who are just as on-par with your standards but it's a hassle? It's because you're not top shit as you think you are
>>84872631>It feels like women who dont have issues kind of clump together in this conglomerate of blonde haired-tanned skinned-lululemon wearing--homogenous type of woman.Fatherless behavior is incredibly common now. Women need to love themselves first and without a father to show them; They sadly let society dictate their worth and for some reason blonde haired, tanned bimbo's are considered to be the most attractive form of woman. Most likely due to the feminist porn propaganda brainwashing moids into lust-filled degens.>>84873260You're delusional if you actually think there are a lot of decent men out there. 9 out of 10 times I've talked to a woman about their past relationships they have pegged their ex. Not because they wanted to, but because their boyfriend wanted to. Women's standards are so incredibly low and average men are still failing to meet it.
>>84873612There's plenty of decent men out there. You do know recent men just don't like to date now right? Because once again like I said , we don't like women with inflanted egos which vast majority of women have. Which in this case , you as well. It's crazy that you didn't even said a single thing about how you claim to be above average and yet struggle with finding men you claim to be decent. Because the men that are decent you wouldn't give them a chance .I'm 5'5. I approached over 20 times. Who's the gender that takes height so far up their ass? Women. So wait a minute, girls don't want me to judge them for their weight, body count , see them for their accomplishments (which most of them are losers) , be significantly shorter than me ,tell me "well height is a preference !" Women are pickier than ever LOL. If they weren't , most men will be getting laid. Gen z women are significantly more likely to get STDs. Gen z women have higher body counts than an average gen Z men. Gen z women still managed to be in abusive relationships and continue the statics but most Gen z men don't get laid ? So how is it possible that MOST men fail to meet most girls LOW standards but men in the top 5% get way more ass than 95% of them ? Also , how the fuck can other men asking their girls to have them peg them IS THE SAME AS WOMEN NOT BEING PICKY? Those two are fucking irrelevant. Your statement about women being not picky and most men aren't meeting those standards are fucking retarded. Women filter out 90% of men already in the first minute of talking to them unless they see them as attracted. So sorry to break it to you OP, we just have way too much evidence backing up women are hypergamous way more than ever. Doesn't make a lick of sense the nonsense you're saying. "my friends pegged their ex boyfriends so men are just failing to meet most women low standards" girl most women don't even want to give me a chance the moment they hear I'm 5'5.
>>84872004>I'm talking about the type of relationship where the woman is actually feminine, kind, loving, nurturing. In turn, the man is protective, strong, and caring.In the west 60% of women are overweight. They would move ro china if they wanted that.
>>84872004Yea but I don't want an ex-whore which all modern women are now.
>>84873754I'm not OP, as was obvious by my reply to one of OP's posts, but you are clearly too angry to care. Your post is incredibly passive aggressive, entitled and filled with rage. This is why you struggle to date and it is the only reason.
>>84873790Nah I'm not mad or butthurt. I'm just pointing out another foids false belief about herself. Plain and simple. OP claims to be above average. Ok good for her. But she also wants to find a dude whos in her league and also fits her values . There's a lot of men that fit her values. And she is above average so she does have a significantly better chance at finding said menBut that's the thing. She can't find these men. But she's above average as well? So she's struggling on finding a particular man but she's also the same gender that gets swamped with men? If 100 men were to hit up OP and she rejected them, is it because all these men were shit or is it because OP has some bogus standards for her dream guy ? If OP claimed to be what she looked like ,she will find out that she can find the guy she's looking for. But she isn't . So she's on r9k asking where these men are. Well it's obvious , these men she sinks don't give a fuck about her. Because she's just as piss shit average as everyone else.OP wants to date up and thinks she deserves to date up. But she can't and she never will. Because once again , women view themselves way differently than a man will view himself. And then make the claim "well we have low standards" then say some stupid shit about nothing relating to women having low standards.I'm just pointing out a good and her retarded way of thinking. This isn't anger. Just another foid who thinks she's top shit
>>84873754>I'm 5'5. I approached over 20 timesRookie numbers, is this copypasta? Why are they "hearing" you're 5'5 instead of seeing you IRL>>84873790thisare you counting discord dms as approaches or something
>>84872149Where are the skinny guys?
>>84872004>Its like the traditional dynamic that has worked for generations is dead and unwanted.Women demanded that. Now that they're finally getting it, they're upset. Well, tough luck, buttercup. The cat is out of the bag and now you have to live with it.>It feels like all men want to be cute and submissivewhat's so wrong about that?why shouldn't men want to be cute? why shouldn't men focus on themselves for once?the entire "civilization" is built to cater only to women's needs and women still aren't happy. men are right to say "fuck this shit".if you ever voted (and, even worse, voted for the left) you personally are partially at fault for this too. enjoy what you've supported and created.
>>84873908How many men do you personally know who you'd be happy with dating your mom or sister?
>>84872445>haircuts and facial hair are a mans version of makeupMy hair is fine, as for haircuts I see hairdresser like twice or thrice a year, always cutting hair to around 5cm length and waiting till they grow long enough to reach my eyes and start being annoying.There isn't much I can do with facial hair besides either having goatee, or sheriff moustache, or going clean because my beard on the sides is so sparse it looks really shitty the moment it's longer than couple mm. I'm simply unable to have nice shade. And I don't want to go clean shaven because facial hair gives more mature, stern look which is useful in my job.Roundish face with big nose and old acne scars doesn't help I guess.>Maybe because it shows the woman can take care of herself, therefor take care of them, which allows men to be lazy POS, thus the cycle continuesI don't think you got the point I was making. Men don't like that because they know women aren't attracted to men below them. It's just typical hypergamy.>>84872446This whole fiasco taught me there is no point in taking women seriously and all their demands should be treated as just another shit test. Words are worthless if there is no action behind them.>>84872508>I jut feel like when all gender roles are thrown away, both parties kind of loose their place and forget what they want, if that makes sense.You aren't getting rid of gender roles because they are consequences of our biology and necessities of life. Western world wasn't always this prosperous and peaceful, standard for life is actually struggle for survival and gender roles helped with that. If anything, people will be forced to return to them as west is slowly collapsing due to exporting all industry because of corporate greed, and importing thirld world with their barbaric customs.
>>84873956Because after the 20th and having a girl friendzoned me at my job and then wanting to give me a chance after she ended up a single mom was just the last straw. Shit man I had women who are 5ft, actual 200lbs (not from my estimation their own words about their weight) , piss shit insecure about what they look like , think I'm the shit until they hear my height If I genuinely had a better success rate even with wingman's from other good friends I met , then I wouldn't have this belief on wanting to give up. Even my guy/girl friends gave up too and roasted their friends for being picky and picking well , shit men. >>84874030My mom got recently engaged with her long term boyfriend of 6 years and I have siblings but they're all men. They get ass. Probably because their 6ft. And I'm the one who makes significantly way more than them and have a whole house going on at 23. Lol one of them was getting ass while he was still living with our mom. Like I said women are pickier than ever like OP is because they think they're the shit. But still question why they can't find their ideal man even when they acknowledge they see themselves as above average. I think it's funny I'm the only one that can call out OP about her BS way of thinking.
>>84874123I agree that women overestimate themselves today as a sort of weird cultural trend, as though we're supposed to chase mediocrity instead of them having something to actually offer, but your post is all over the place. It sounds like you're brown, extremely insecure, not too bright, and looking for excuses. Also,> My mom got recently engaged with her long term boyfriend of 6 years lmao. Sorry dude but you come from a fucked up background, you are not alone thogood luck out there
>>84874175Issue is that women have inflanted egos. Ain't me man I'm chilling. Women like OP are never going to be chilling and will date shit men. Doesn't matter what my background isWomen are going to be replaced soon and that's the only thing I'm waiting for . They're already ass blasted about AI sex robots and they're not even a big thing yet . Glad I went out of my way to get a nice job so I can afford things like that soon.
>>84873754>Who's the gender that takes height so far up their ass? Women. So wait a minute, girls don't want me to judge them for their weight, body count , see them for their accomplishments (which most of them are losers)man are you not seeing tthe problem here>>84873908>Nah I'm not mad or butthurt. I'm just pointing out another foids false belief about herself.you absolutely are and you can just admit that here without throwing a tantrum
I don't know why any well meaning women try to offer men any advice on here. They don't want it. They don't want your comfort either. They want to sit here and insult you repeatedly because by their own statements they hate everything about women and the existence of one in their presence sends them into a blind rage. All they know about you is that you're female (supposedly) so they're going to project every single issue they have with women as a whole onto you while defending it with increasingly complex mental gymnastics. They don't want to be happy. They want to complain and make everyone as miserable as they are, because then there's nothing to be jealous of. Just stop trying.
>>84874570>well meaning womensuch beings literally don't exist. stop gaslighting, anon.
>>84873908holy truth nook
>>84874570OP never offered any good advice whatsoever. What comfort did she give besides telling us she knows women that date as well and they have low standards? Nice advice from OPs end Instead she comes out with this belief that she's above average meanwhile she struggles on finding a man who is also above average in her leagueNo one here is insulting OP the way you think it is. This isn't some incel misogynistic rant. It's us pointing out OPs fallacy in her belief that she's above average. Came out of her mouth not ours. So if she's above average , and we all know very fucking well girls who are good looking TEND to get more attraction from other men . She some how still struggles to find her ideal man who is above average from other men? Well that's the issue we are pointing out. Because we all know women do have more options than an average man will. She is above average so her chances are even higher than an average woman. Yet she can't find said man? OP can find a man who fits her values. I know plenty of guys who go hard as fuck. Thing is though , she wants a man with said values , be above average (so tall, good looking and or has money) . And she can't. Because men like that are fucking/settling with girls who are above average because these men know they get a pick in women. >>84874690Even this anon agrees. Because men fucking know that women get easier pickings in men. They also believe they're top shit as well but men who are top shit don't give a fuck about them. I wonder why
