Suicide is perfectly ethical. There is no moral failing in worthless lives being snuffed out.
>>84882524Suicide is murder and murder is wrong It also doesn't resolve any of the problems in your life it just removes your agency to amend things
Agree. If anyone wants to kill themselves they should be allowed to. Unless it's one of my family members of course since I love them
Giving birth is unethical because the baby didn't give consent to being born (I heard children are too retarded to give consent or something).
>>84882548It resolves lifelong problems with no end. Agency is paramount, and the agency to murder yourself shouldn't be infringed upon.>>84882551Look at this humblebrag. He has family and loved ones.
>>84882524Suicide should be legalized and kits should be commercially available, choosing suicide should be normalized
>>84882581>It resolves lifelong problems with no endIt literally resolves nothing unless your suicide blows up the entire earth, if the world still operates without your agency involved then your problems are left unresolved and your loose ends remain loose
>>84882548>acting ethically is being rational>is rational to act according to your interests>therefore, acting ethically is to act according to your interests>and commiting suicide is of my interest>therefore, it is ethical>furthermore, it won't harm anyone but me, and I want to harm myself.
>>84882601My problems will never be resolved no matter my agency so suicide is based. There are no loose ends involved in my passing.
>>84882524suicidals are by definition mentally ill or in extreme pain. it's unethical to try to get people to commit suicide.
Aristotle's only discussion of suicide (Nicomachean Ethics 1138a5--14) occurs in the midst of a discussion of the possibility of treating oneself unjustly. Aristotle concludes that self-killing does not treat oneself unjustly so long as it is done voluntarily because the harm done to oneself is consensual..https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/suicide/#AncClaVieSui
>>84882683Very old fashioned get with the times grandpa
>>84882548>Get called into a hostile unpleasant universe where you temporarily enjoy things only to have them yanked away because everything here is impermanent and one day it will all evaporate to nothing>"Nooooooo! You can't choose when you leave this universe! That's up to your genes and/or chaos and randomness! The ancient spirits say you aren't allowed to have agency over your own existence. Only they can tell you when you live and die. No, you can't talk to them. Yes, they were made up by primitive man before written language existed. They're still valid, OK? Because they just are! Trust the spirits!"If you can't control your existence, then in essence you control nothing. You're at the beck and call of a society that may or may not have good plans for you. I'm not saying suicide is the answer to every problem, but what's the harm in switching your meat robot to "Off"?If we were immortal maybe there'd be issue with it, but we live 60-90 years if we're lucky. And the back half are miserable times, watching your eyesight deteriorate and your teeth fall out. I don't see a point of pride in suffering until you're so weak you can't move and then dying on an itchy hospital bed gasping for air as your lungs fail while Judge Judy blares at full volume from the monitor attached to the wall.
>>84882663It's ethical when being alive is the source of their pain. It's unethical to force others to continue existing in pain for your own beliefs. You're depriving their autonomy.>>84882683Provided it's decided and acted when clear and sound of mind, I think it's fine.>>84882692There's wisdom in the old one's words..
>>84882711>There's wisdom in the old one's words..No there isn't time to go to bed grandpa
>>84882643You can only maintain this facade by being intentionally vague about what the problems are>>84882624>>is rational to act according to your interestsNot always, premise 2 is wrong If you've become obsessed with sawing your limbs off for example then you aren't acting rationally
>>84882704You seem to be arguing with a sugar plum fairy in your head, I didn't say anything you quoted
>>84882725Can I have some warm milk first>>84882728What makes you the arbiter of whether my suicide is fair or not? My problems cause me intense duress and stress every single waking moment. Icing myself is the cleanest escape, and my last resort. Nobody recoils to this conclusion as their first port of call. For what it matters, it is sustained, utter isolation.
Speaking of suicide, discuss.
>>84882767>you seem to be arguing with a sugar plum fairy in your headI often do that. It's easier to jump off from an imagined argument than just what's in front of me.Whatever, I stand by it. Want me to argue with my own points? I'll do that too.
>>84882833Only if you never facilitate suicide again
>>84882524Isn't it suicide if you dont get medical problems treated? Isn't it suicide if you sign up for war? Isn't it suicide if you force yourself to do things that are harmful to yourself, because others expect it of you? What is suicide? Any action that causes you severe pain or suffering, and not defending yourself? What if you know youre going to die if you go somewhere, and you go there, is that suicide? If youre constantly being tortured and have no way of escaping or working out of it or getting help, is it suicide to kill yourself? Suicide is only bad because people say it is, because then looshing and abusing pieces of shit would lose their victim.
>>84882883And by this logic you have to be rich or powerful enough to solve all your problems, or have someone save you, in order to not be counted as commiting suicide because you didn't have proper medical care or something.
>>84882833>What makes you the arbiter of whether my suicide is fair or not? I didn't say it's fair I just said that it's morally wrong and irrational because it is murder and also isn't a solution to the problem it supposedly solves. >My problems cause me intense duress and stress every single waking moment. Same, but you're over-exaggerating a bit, since you clearly have time to chitchat on 4chubs >Icing myself is the cleanest escapeOkay I will agree that it's an escape and an abnegation from your problems but it's not a solution to them >Nobody recoils to this conclusion as their first port of call.I don't know what that means. I haven't read enough books
>>84882883>What is suicide?It's when you kill yourself dipshit
>>84882850I think you can argue with yourself in a straight-jacket, carry on
>>84882878No, this is the last thing I have left to work towards. It would take way too much for me to abandon this pathway, more than I care to ask for and more than I care to express. >>84882911>isn't a solution to the problem it supposedly solves.Being alive is a problem. And I don't want to visit that on anyone around me any longer.>you're over-exaggerating a bit, since you clearly have time to chitchat on 4chubs No, I'm waiting for the last component I need. It's taking longer than I want and that's frustrating enough already. >it's not a solution to them There is no solution other than removing myself from any equation.>I don't know what that means. I haven't read enough booksNobody jumps to suicide as their first option. It's only ever the last, when nothing else works or is humanly feasible.>>84882916Laughed
>>84882849it was her choice, pretty clear cut
>>84882524That "worthless" life is a potential tax payer. Big Daddy Govt needs that suicidal person to keep working and paying taxes.
>>84882942Yes its based to escape this prison planet regardless of how good your life is or your stats or anything
>>84882942You're not wrong for feeling like you want to. You're not a bad person for considering it, but it is NEVER the answer, ok? It is literally NEVER EVER something you should do. It is completely VERBOTEN understand? It's not something you work towards. It's not something to do it NEVER is.
>>84882985I would disagree>>84882971My life is atrocious and I am hideous inside and out.>>84882849What's there to even discuss?
The problem with commiting suicide is that it does feel perfectly logical when you are mentally ill.After all, your brain is probably telling you to do it all the time, without your consent, isn't it anon?So you had no choice but to think about it, and think about it, and think about it...After thinking so much about it, you probably covered every scenario already. But you can't contradict yourself, so you seek out other people's thoughts, so that you're more certain about it.Because it's not enough that you are right. The others need to be wrong.I don't know what is up with you right now, anon. But I've posted threads just like this one before. It will take way too fucking long, fifteen or so years I would say, more than enough for you try and even suceed, but if you thug this stuff out you will eventually stop thinking about it.You're not the first or the last human to have this experience. I'm sorry I can't help you.
>>84882548>It also doesn't resolve any of the problems in your lifeit resolves literally all problems and prevents any future problems
>>84882663>men in relationships are by definition mentally ill or in extreme painsee? you can twist this into anything
>>84882849>NOO SHE HAD BIG TITS SHE SHOULD LIVEyou're a eugenicist, and by that same logic incels have the right to suicide
>>84882916everyone is speeding towards death already, retard.>NOOO YOU CAN'T SPEED UP YOUR INEVITABLE DEMISE BECAUSE.... YOU JUST CAN'T OKAY???there is no logical argument against suicide
>>84882942>Being alive is a problem. And I don't want to visit that on anyone around me any longer.Killing yourself does not solve the problem of being alive lol >No, I'm waiting for the last component I need. It's taking longer than I want and that's frustrating enough already. Stuck once again by the vaguepost king, king of vaguery, he knows a lot of things most people don't, and he will not tell you what these things are>There is no solution other than removing myself from any equation.Ostensibly false >Nobody jumps to suicide as their first option. It's only ever the last, when nothing else works or is humanly feasible.Are you going to be tortured to death tomorrow or something?
>>84883222>it resolves literally all problems and prevents any future problemsSolipsism?
>>84883430coping faggit
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>>84883218I think about other things against my consent and arrive at this junction as the only path left forward. I contradict myself a lot, it sucks. Others aren't wrong, others are right. But no, uh. I "thugged" it out for 15 or so years already. I'm tired of it, and no closer to what I set out to find in the first place. I have nothing left to think about, nothing left to direct my energy and efforts to, and would rather escape existence rather than shovel more and more empty distractions into the growing void of my life.>I'm sorry I can't help you.If you could've, I wouldn't be above asking. >>84883334That's a bit of a reach.>>84883430>Killing yourself does not solve the problem of being alive lol How not? You're no longer alive.>Stuck once again by the vaguepostWhat level of detail do you want? What satisfies your curiosity? To what end are you curious? Are you that incapable of filling in the gaps yourself? Feel free to ask a question and if it's not invasive I will answer it?>Ostensibly false For someone complaining about ambiguity you speak with absolute determinism as if you know everything and all. To which is it?>>84883483Inert gas asphyxiation
>>84883350There are five logical arguments for suicide. 1. (Aristotle, Ethics V) No one can do a legal injustice to himself. 2. (submitting to the law) The state is permitted to kill criminals. A statesman can be a criminal. Therefore a statesman can kill himself and do no wrong.3. (braving lesser danger to avoid worse) Like amputating an infected leg to prevent the greater danger of losing the whole body. By killing yourself you might save yourself from a lifetime of wretchedness or corruption. 4. (the kamikaze). Many exalted figures in history have killed themselves and have been praised for it, even canonized as saintly. For example, Samson killed himself. And even if one isn't remembered, the idea of facing certain death or entering a situation where you know you might be killed is not always looked down upon. For example, charging a turret nest as a soldier. 5. (the preservation of honor and dignity). One might correctly say that killing yourself is a choice to die nobly rather than be subjected to indignity and injury unworthy of you, such as in Maccabees, or with the Samurai.There are 3 arguments against suicide:1. (appeal to nature) It is unnatural to kill yourself. Every living being loves itself and wills its own good, to will against your good is disordered.2. (Aristotle, Ethics V) everything that is a part belongs to a whole, and thus injury to a part injures the whole. The instinct to stop someone from self-harm chiefly comes from this fact.3. (life is a gift) because life is a gift entrusted to you by your parents, nature/universe/God, therefore one who discards his life has committed an offense against them and produced disorder. The old adage comes to mind, "children should bury their parents"There are five objections to the logical arguments for suicide, but I don't have the space left at the tail end of this post. You can read about it more in Aquinas.
>>84883577>(the preservation of honor and dignity)checked and this is the main point that applies to incels
>>84883526>How not? You're no longer alive.If the problem persists in the world after your death, then you haven't solved the problem. If you kill yourself to avoid taking a math test, for example, the math test still exists, it's just you who did something irrationally out of proportion in response to it.>What level of detail do you want? What satisfies your curiosity?Concisely and in plain English just say why you are killing yourself. This is a common heuristic to bullshitting. >For someone complaining about ambiguity you speak with absolute determinism as if you know everything and all. To which is it?It's ostensibly false that there are more solutions other than "removing yourself from an equation," moreover, that's already not a solution in the first place as it doesn't solve the problem, it's denying the problem itself and turning away from it.>>84883463Killing yourself is also coping and it's inferior. Living or dying is coping. Since everything is cope then the word cope doesn't matter. >>84883583Of the ostracized, the amputation argument would be more apropos, since to be an incel is to already be of ignoble status. The primary objection to this comes from Aristotle's Ethics III. Death being the ultimate evil and feared object, to kill oneself is to assume a greater evil in order to avoid a lesser one, which is disordered. There are a few more secondary objections.
>>84883680Death solves everything a permanent solution is always better than a temporary one since it will keep happening until youre gone and there is no need for copes when youre not here anymore
>>84883707This is just an axiom you keep repeating ITT that you've offered no substantiation for. Just because you keep saying it "solves" something and is a "solution" that doesn't actually make it the case if you can't expound on how. If it solves everything, and people have killed themselves in the past, then why are there still presently problems? Will there be problems in the future?>when youre not here anymoreA faith-based statement just as nonsensical as if I were to say that I know for certain that your consciousness is retained after death.
>>84883771Its an individual solution it does nothing for anyone else
>>84883680>If the problem persists in the world after your death, then you haven't solved the problemAre you lacking in imagination? Can you not understand that people see their place, and their existence, as an ongoing problem? There's nothing as corporeal as "a test" or "an oncoming event" that people do this to escape from. It's a grinding existential and neurological problem.>Concisely and in plain English just say why you are killing yourself.I said it concisely, and clearly, in plain English. >>84882833 "For what it matters, it is sustained, utter isolation."Since you asked for conciseness but seem to, again, lack imagination, I want to ask you to try and lay out what isolation means downstream. It means no friends, no memories, no experiences, no love, no family, no community, nothing of any of the sort. And you can shovel in as much solitary escapism, self-development, and introspection in that gap as much as you want, but eventually it all loses any and all appeal. You start to desire the simple. Eating in company. Holding a hand. And when you can't have, keep, obtain, or hold any of those things because you are utterly isolated and alone in this world, then it's much easier to cease interacting with the world rather than continuing to contribute to it in a pathetic, futile manner.>butYes, I have already.>It's ostensibly false that there are more solutions I am the equation. So, no. There's no falsehood there. Again, you lack imagination if you think the problem is something so banal as "an upcoming math test". I am materially wealthy, secure in shelter, well traveled and well learned, experienced more (by myself) than most dream of, and I still feel absolutely empty inside. Worse than empty, I am hungry. >>84883771>If it solves everything, then why are there still presently problems? nta but if "themselves" were the problem and they're no longer present, then the problem isn't, and thus they solved it.
>>84882524i would normally disagree but because you're avatarfagging with the worst character from one of the worst games i've every played i'll make an exception for you.
>>84883838Wow that's a hot take. What did you hate about both? What do you normally like?
>>84883850fake shutin neet was clearly written by a neurotypical. she was a walking talking trope like most persona characters. the game itself was the most persona-y persona game yet. i like the smt games well enough but the persona series since 3 has been half shallow NES era tier dungeon crawler and half inexcusably bad raising/dating sim. the thing is, i like dungeon crawlers and i love raising sims but persona does such a bad job at each that i could never make it more than 15 hours into one. from what i understand they're like 100 hour shitfest games. persona 5 cranked all the shit i hated about the games up to 11. the hand-holding, anime tropes, pointless daily grindfest. i just don't hate myself enough to waste my time on that shit.
>>84883816It doesn't even solve your own problems, it just defers and offloads them onto someone else. >>84883820>There's nothing as corporeal as "a test" or "an oncoming event" that people do this to escape fromActually as outlined >>84883577 here it's quite common to commit suicide in order to escape from perceived worse outcomes. >"For what it matters, it is sustained, utter isolation."So you're just lonely. I'm lonely too. I don't think killing myself would solve that problem though. >I am the equation.What you are is deluded. You are a part of a whole. Since you like math terms so much, you would be a term, not an equation. >nta but if "themselves" were the problem and they're no longer present, then the problem isn't, and thus they solved it.How can someone's self be a problem If your math test is a problem, throwing away your pencil doesn't help you solve it now does it?
>>84882524>There is no moral failing in worthless lives being snuffed outyou need to verify that your life is worthless firstThere was a time in my life I contemplated suicide, but I've made a lot of interesting things that people enjoyed since that date. No one knows what the future holds.
>>84883898>I'm lonely too. I don't think killing myself would solve that problem though. Okay? Your experiences are not mine. Why do you think this is a retort? Do you understand that there are spectrums and degrees to everything, not binary states?>What you are is deluded. Huge leap of logic to make for someone you know nothing about, no circumstances about, or anything whatsoever. I am not a part of "anything". I have nothing. Nothing to do, nothing to look forward to, nothing to hope for, nothing to dream about, nothing to care for, nothing. I would rather cull my existence rather than perpetuate a "nothingness", flailing in desperation and futility to change that.>How can someone's self be a problem You truly have no imagination. I could lay it out in front of you and you would still struggle to understand, if you're incapable of doing so with what I've spoonfed you so far. To throw this back to you, if we are "parts of a whole", then there are always failed components that cause stress on the overarching system. Broken gears and cogs in a machine. Misshapen pieces of a puzzle and tiles of lego that do not intersect nor interconnect. The human brain is pattern-seeking, and it's easy to extrapolate patterns of yourself and your interactions with others.>>84883891Fair critiques. I liked the tropes and the sillyness and the slice-of-life. I've played other megaten games and found them fun in their own way, I always saw them more as monster collectors than dungeon crawlers like EO. I hope you get to play more games you enjoy.>>84883957>you need to verify that your life is worthless firstDouble and triple checked!
>>84883980> I have nothing. Nothing to do, nothing to look forward to, nothing to hope for, nothing to dream about, nothing to care for, nothing. I would rather cull my existence rather than perpetuate a "nothingness", flailing in desperation and futility to change that.Even in theory, you don't care about anything at all?
>>84884026There's a lot I care about. They're things I will never reach, obtain, grasp, keep, or hold. It is not of lack of feeling, but feeling too much. That makes nothingness so unbearable. If I didn't care, then nothing wouldn't matter.
>>84884058and how do you know? I understand feeling too much, I really do. but i've never really found it something worth driving to the depths of despair over.
>>84883980>Okay? Your experiences are not mineYeah my experience of loneliness is probably longer and worse than yours, as a matter of fact >Huge leap of logic to make for someone you know nothing about, no circumstances aboutIf you refer to yourself in terms of plurality, that's just schizophrenic. You're not an entire equation. If you're going to use math lingo to describe yourself, you'd be a term. Or, you'd be an element, not a set. And if you are a set, then you're still a set that's an element within a larger set. I'm making pretty simple statements that stand on their own to scrutiny. >I could lay it out in front of you and you would still struggle to understand,Okay lay it out in front of me concisely and in plain english if you're not bullshitting me. Repeating yourself with rhetorical flourishes isn't impressive and it also isn't making your case.
>>84882524assisted suicide should be easily available to everyone. The world would be better if everyone had easy access to suicide
>>84884220if you really believe in easy access to it, then why do you care about the middleman at all? why not care more about decriminalizing it/no longer being a stigma? all assisted does it put it in the hands of paid bureaucrats who read a sheet of paper and say "yup, eligible" or "nope, denied", that's not democratizing at all lmao
>>84884211>Yeah my experience of loneliness is probably longer and worse than yours, as a matter of factUnless you're in your 40s, I doubt it. Pointless either way, your experiences are not my own.>I'm making pretty simple statements that stand on their own to scrutiny.I know absolutely nothing about math. You're barking up the wrong tree.>Repeating yourself with rhetorical flourishes isn't impressive and it also isn't making your case.Because you really seem to struggle to grasp that I already have spoken at length. In multiple posts. I cannot make human connections as I desire. There is only one common denominator in all those instances of failure and rejection. Myself.
>>84884202>and how do you knowCountless years of internal monologue and discourse. How else do you come to understand yourself? You have nobody else to understand when you're left to your own devices for so long.
>>84884292Then I suppose we just see things differently and may have different pictures in mind for when "throw in the towel" is most appropriate. I admit, trying to logically argue this topic is like arguing about any other unknowable. Many (including myself) just have a habit of seeing individuals as worth saving in some sense, even if not said outright.
>>84884279Middleman systems can research into the most painless easiest, shortest kit possible
>>84884284>Because you really seem to struggle to grasp that I already have spoken at length.A great many words to say very little Anyway, your claims have not been substantiated >I know absolutely nothing about math. You're barking up the wrong tree.Don't speak of equations and solving them then. You say that suicide is like a solution to an equation and that you're an equation. When pressed on this you say "I have nothing" or something similar a dozen times. >Unless you're in your 40s, I doubt it. Pointless either way, your experiences are not my own.And your perception might even be wrong, in fact it probably is if it's anything like your ability to reason as evidenced by this thread.
>>84882524we suicidal people are the most oppressed group in historyeven minorities and lgbt people have more rights than usit's not fair why does the governments tries to ban peaceful and reliable methods and corner us to extremely unreliable and painful ways to escape our sufferingyou also get involuntary committed to the psych ward and billed like if you were a criminal
>>84884455You are quite genuinely autistic.
>>84884495You summoned me by saying suicide is perfectly ethical, which I think we've determined by now is a statement that you can't substantiate >>84884490Why not just stop killing yourselves?
>>84884530At no point did you discuss ethics but hyperfixated on *checks notes* Mathematics despite me repeating multiple times the root cause.
christcucks and other moralist make the world a hellhole and then try to keep you in this prison. If there was a god he'd be a demiurge for doing that. They hate suicide because it's the ultimate accusation against their untrue worldview and thus against their god too.
>>84884553I recount bringing up aristotle and aquinas about two or three times and have been consistent in my language You are now misremembering the contents of the thread. I did not "hyperfixate on mathematics." The root cause was supposed to be your loneliness. I remember commenting that I'm also lonely. >>84884567I don't hate suicidal people but it doesn't magically make suicide ethical if I did. I literally can't stop you from any course of action or outcome over which you govern the determination, this includes irrational and/or unethical things.I'm not even trying to talk OP down per se, because the outcome isn't up to me. But because OP is appealing to reason as a justification for his suicide, then I can point out that he's being irrational, and in at least this instance, it prevents any lurker paying attention from taking a retarded belief away from OP.
>>84882548>murder is wrong because...>IT JUST IS OKAY
>>84882663>suicidals are by definition mentally ill or in extreme painSounds like they are better off dead Jim.
>>84884567>christcucksThey don't like suicide because it takes away a follower who could sing songs and bake cookies for their dead Jew in the sky. They are literally a death cult who want their master to return and destroy the Earth.Their goal isn't to preserve life but to praise their master with as many followers as possible so he will reward them in his flying death castle. That's the only reason they care about abortion too.>that heckin' fetus could have served my master! How dare you?They're deranged. Anyone who takes that garbage literally is dangerous.
Report every suicidal person to the police.
>>84884656chaotic evil
>>84883577>1. (appeal to nature) It is unnatural to kill yourself. Every living being loves itself and wills its own good, to will against your good is disordered.The fact that it appears naturally and throughout history means that it is a natural part of human nature to potentially kill yourself.Any argument to the contrary isn't a real appeal to nature but an appeal to an idealised version of it which only holds weight to those who believe in it.>everything that is a part belongs to a whole, and thus injury to a part injures the whole. The instinct to stop someone from self-harm chiefly comes from this factpeople are individuals, their counscious experience are limited, the "whole" you refer to is an abstraction that doesn't really exist like all universals.>because life is a gift entrusted to you by your parents, nature/universe/God, therefore one who discards his life has committed an offense against them and produced disorder. The old adage comes to mind, "children should bury their parents"the responsability a child has toward their parents isn't an essential part of their being. A hypothetical lab grown baby wouldn't be any less of a human regardless of the circumstence of their birth
>>84884709seems pretty lawful to me
Legally I am not allowed to tell anyone they should kts, but ethically, who am I to tell anyone not to kts?
>>84884872It doesn't appear naturally, in fact I don't think there's a single instance you can point to where a suicide has happened that could be construed as a force of nature. Usually it is extenuating and unnatural circumstances, like distress, prompting the suicide. Even lesser animals don't commit suicide. Natural death happens in far greater proportion to suicide, which is just one subsection of unnatural death. This would indicate that suicide is unnatural.The best objection to this would probably to say, "so what?" Admittedly, appealing to nature doesn't usually go far>people are individuals, their counscious experience are limited, the "whole" you refer to is an abstraction that doesn't really exist like all universals.This is a modern neoliberal concept that every man is just an atomic economic unit that spawns randomly into the world without context, without family, without community, equal in quality to any man from anywhere from any time.The best objection would eventually be, as this refutation is more fleshed out, "I don't care, though." >A hypothetical lab grown baby wouldn't be any less of a human regardless of the circumstence of their birthThe adage just came to mind because it outlines the context of man's being and his fundamental identity being interdependent on others. At the very least, a hypothetical test-tube baby or even an adopted child is helpless and thus cared for.>the responsability a child has toward their parents isn't an essential part of their being.I think you're saying this because of the presupposition that man is an atomic individual, a babe-in-the-wood that just happened upon his own life. If you believe this, then the concepts of responsibility, duty, etc are probably meaningless to you altogether. No one can be responsible for anything by the nature of what's being taken to be the case.
>>84884490yeah, you can't even openly say suicidal on social media, it has to be a retarded synonym like off myself
>>84885185>Usually it is extenuating and unnatural circumstances, like distress, prompting the suicideIs hunger natural ?>Even lesser animals don't commit suicideLook up the the mouse forced swim test>This is a modern neoliberal concept that every man is just an atomic economic unit that spawns randomly into the world without context, without family, without community, equal in quality to any man from anywhere from any time.Man existing in a certain contxt doesn't make that context an inherent part of his being. Which is easily proven by the fact that a man removed from his community and family isn't any less of a man than one who isn't.>the context of man's being and his fundamental identity being interdependent on othersframing that interdependency as holding any special metaphysical weight is a concept just as arbitrary and culturally dependant as the neoliberal idea of all men being equal.>the presupposition that man is an atomic individualto deny that presupossition is to deny the most fundamental way we have of knowing the human condition, that is the subjective experience.You can't reduce poeple to cogs in a machine when you know you are you and not anybody else no matter how those other individuals shaped you.>If you believe this, then the concepts of responsibility, duty, etc are probably meaningless to you altogetheryeah pretty much
Suicide should only be legal when someone reaches 13-14 y/o. Then the person will be required to live for one more year with social/medical/economic support so they have the chance to live life and perhaps change their mind.
>>84885353>Is hunger natural ?Yes>Look up the the mouse forced swim testThat's an animal being drowned >Man existing in a certain contxt doesn't make that context an inherent part of his being.If you exist within a closely connected context that you inherited, then it's an inherent part of your identity. >framing that interdependency as holding any special metaphysical weight is a concept just as arbitrary and culturally dependant as the neoliberal idea of all men being equal.This doesn't need metaphysical framing, physical framing is enough. An interdependent web of relations is a thing. You are either a part of one or you are not. And if you are, then that means there is particularity about you. If there is anything particular to you, which is also particular to others in the same web of relations, you are both parts of it.>the neoliberal idea of all men being equal.This is what you're arguing to be the case: that men have no particularity about them, and are intrinsically equal in quality to each other.>to deny that presupossition is to deny the most fundamental way we have of knowing the human condition, that is the subjective experience.A refutation of my being a proverbial babe-in-the-wood with no particularity about me is not mutually exclusive of your subjective experience's existence altogether. >You can't reduce poeple to cogs in a machineRight, which is why I didn't. I think I am accurately describing people and not reducing them, to reduce someone I would have to take away intrinsic properties of his being, for example, his family, extended family, his friends, acquaintances, his culture, his country, &c.And like I predicted, you don't believe responsibility can even exist, but the underlying beliefs necessary for this to be the case do not stand up to scrutiny.
