I don't understand why most people kill themselves. You may have had shitty experiences but if you're physically and mentally capable, born in a country and you can leave from, and you're young, you can practically do anything in life. I legitimately don't understand how people get so worked up on losing their job, going homeless, breaking up with someone or whatever it may be and think that their life is over. Losing a loved one is a bit more understandable but still, you can eventually move on and still have a good life eventually.The only thing that would make me want to kill myself is if I ended up physically and/or mentally disabled, because there is actually no hope from curing these things and moving on with your life. Just imagine losing your limbs, your hearing, your vision and your voice, stuck in a silent, dark void for the rest of your life. It makes other problems seem like papercuts and it's because I believe disability is the worst thing that can happen to someone.And that's my point, most people who kill themselves aren't disabled (at least physically). You could argue that many of them kill themselves due to mental illness but to what degree is that illness inherited or acquired through trauma? Of course you're going to feel like shit if you continuously live a shitty life but it doesn't mean that something is internally wrong with you, and even then it's never a hopeless situation because it's still always possible to escape from shitty environmental circumstances (even if the odds of doing so are extremely slim). It's also possible that maybe you were never taught to toughen up and cry like a little bitch faggot because for some reason you expected life to be a place without some adversity.I don't know though, I'm tempted to just call most people who commit suicide a bunch of weak pussies and believe that but maybe I'm wrong, maybe they're not pussies and most people have genuine reasons to kill themselves?
You post this bait everyday people do this when existence is unbearable
>>84883501>you can practically do anything in lifeonly true if you're an attractive woman or already have or come from money, and those people aren't the ones killing themselves.
>>84883501I basically agree with everything you said, it's mostly refreshing. I think part of it is bitter complacency that is indeed heavily enviromental, that leads to a sense of feeling trapped. But that's a much more difficult symptom to fix. I also think it's also about things out of someones individual control that amplify that. And plenty of things do suck. I just don't get why some things need to be obsessed over to such an extent that it becomes a massive burden. Psychology, industry, family, etc, they tend to gaslight people into thinking their way is the highway, and that something must be deeply innate. Same thing with the people obsessed with looksmaxxing and whatnot.To me, I do think suicide would only be theoretically "rational" if someone truly did or at least tried to do most of what they wanted, pushed through, and still felt the other side wasn't leaving them fulfilled or with enough drive to continue on. Which seems most common among the older cohorts, really. Most suicides outside of that indeed are heavily circumstantial or enviromental. I think it really only makes sense if you're really throwing in the towel and you at least tried. If you really couldn't succeed/get somewhere you needed, well, fair enough, but at least you knew and got to experience it along the way
>>84883509Define unbearable>HopelessBe specific, give an example on what kind of life would be genuinely hopeless but ensure that the person in this example isn't disabled, is younger than 40, and not incarcerated and/or living in an inescapable place like North Korea.>>84883544You're a fucking retard if you think ugly people, non-disabled people still can't live a good life.
>>84883501>most people kill themselvesThey do?????
>>84883574>I don't understand why most people who kill themselves, kill themselves.Better?
Im killing myself the second my dad passes away. Not breaking his heart is the single, solitary reason I have to keep going. I will never own a home, have a real job, have a gf, have a family, be normal or just not be insanely miserable everyday. OP is a normal faggot retard, be grateful you dont understand what suffering is.
>>84883501Holy shitpost bait.I think its basic common knowlegde to see that with your mindset, you are probably stronger than most. There are strong people in the world like OP, but there are weak people in the world who, for one reason or another, cant handle things properlyThink on a very basic level. Some people get ear piercings and throw up/cry/pass out. Other people get them while barely wincing. This would be people who have different physical pain tolerances. Historically, humans who had better pain tolerances had survival advantages in harsh environments. Historically, humans who were more sensitive to pain were able to quickly identify the source of the pain. On a more emotional level, there are many people who unfortunately end up burying their parents. Some people watch their dad die and feel nothing, while others throw themselves onto the casket and become depressed for many years. Historically, people who were emotionally stronger were able to function in stressful situations. Those who were weaker were able to have a stronger sense of empathy, received more protection. In turn, they're probably less likely to do risky things.Now put this on a slightly more personal scale. Everyone gets sad, everyone probably gets depressed or hopeless from time to time. Some people are able to pull themselves up from the bootstraps and feel better about themselves, some people just cant move on. Some people cant see the light at the end of the tunnel. This doesn't necessarily make people pussies, it makes them different. Sometimes, on the far end of the spectrum, this strength of emotionally vulnerable people, without support, leaves them with no way out. Therefore, suicide.
>>84883581Stupid nigger, first off unless you're a literal 70 IQ retard, you can still get a high IQ job that makes you enough money to buy a home or just marry a rich woman. Second, literally search the world for a gf, if you still can't find one that's your fault. Third, even if those things are somehow impossible (it's not), you can still a good life unless you're a cripple.I'm probably never going to have those things either but I'm not going to kill myself i er stupid shit like thst you retard weakling faggot.
>>84883609>just get a six figure job with no degree and no money or means to get oneah yes let me just go to the high paying salary store and pick one up >literally search the world for a gfwhere am I going to go look for one? I dont have the money to stop working for more than a month, and if I do that, I will have to find a new job when I get back too. >just marry a rich womanyes I literally cant get a date on tinder with even a 5/10 average girl but marrying a rich woman is totally possible, of courseare you literally 12 years old?
>>84883601>This doesn't necessarily make people pussies, it makes them differentI call bullshit, most who kill themselves are either retarded and/or weak. Retarded to think that their situation is genuinely hopeless on living a good life, weak thinking their life is horrible when it's not. They have different lives but they're still retarded pussies.Again, unless it's like someone who's 85 years old, bed-ridden, blind and deaf does nothing but stare into the black void and shit themselves everyday then yeah, they have a legit reason to kill themselves.
>>84883581Im sorry anon, I fully emptahise with you here. I really hope, for the sake of yourself, that you can find a reason to keep going without him. My dad also passed away, and I ended up in the psych ward because my mom found my plans to kill myself without him. I realized that life isnt good now, but life might be good tomorrow. Even if it is just the simple joy of waking up and having iced coffee in the morning. I know im a random stranger on the internet, but it genuinely hurts my heart to hear a story so similar to mine. If you want to just vent and talk, feel free to leave literally any form of contact and I promise I will reach out. I really really feel what youre going through, and im so so sorry. You dont believe it, but you are genuinely never ever alone.
>>84883645Yes, they might be weak. I said that a couple of times in my thread you absolute illiterate nigger. Some people dont see reason to move forward, and if you cant empathise with that, or even see it, you genuinely have a room temperature IQ and should be too humiliated to show your face in public.
>>84883642My post is exactly talking about people like you. The same way I'm sympathizing less with the poor is the same way I'm sympathizing less with suicidal people. You're choosing to give up and think that your situation is hopeless when it's not and even if it was, it's still not s good reason to kill yourself.It's like I'm not figuring out that the "less fortunste people" in society leaching off of others and crying and bitching sre choosing to be that way instead of getting their ass up to work and stop bitching and complaining over nothing.
>>84883650thanks anon, you're a cool dude and I hope you find a reason too. to be honest though, venting my issues just really doesnt do anything for me. I have plenty of people I can vent to, but what difference does it make. the only things that would truly help me in life is a job with real money or a gf, and its just never happening for me. when i was young there was a chance but I fucked that all up several times over and its too late now. Im done and its easier to just accept its over than get my hopes up over some purely delusional fantasy.
>>84883663They don't deserve empathy that's for sure. Whenever I see a young, perrfectly abled person kill themselves I find that shit fucking funny. Funnier if they showed atrention pictures of cutting themselves or some gay faggot shit like that tranny that jumped off the portland bridge.
>>84883682I understand anon, but you having people to vent to is half the power you need that you might not even realize. I really do hope you find the reason, and you never know what tomorrow brings. Not to be a dick, are you semi attractive? Tall? Anything good going for you? Youd be shocked to see what mentally ill women settle for. >>84883685You are miserable and I hope you find love. I hope there is someone out there to help you learn kindness and understand what it means to be a real man. I believe that you can change someday, anon.
>>84883700I have a good looking face, but Im short and broke and out of shape and mentally ill and terrible with women. I am no ones type to say the least, and even mentally ill women want nothing to do with me, Ive tried.
>>84883501>you should just endlessly struggle because... BECAUSE YOU JUST SHOULD OKAY??The only reason I don't kill myself is because I still have a room and wifi. I will never be able to afford to live in this economy. Once my parents die I will inevitably be homeless. Why should anyone continue existing in this situation? It is meaningless. No one will care if some homeless bum dies in reality. Nothing will change. The world will continue. Your suffering will end. This world isn't worth working for. It isn't worth contributing to. It isn't worth suffering for.
>>84883700I've already changed anon, just not in the way you wanted. I tried to sympathize for the poor and the suicidal but not anymore because of how pointless it is. Many poorfags choose to be poor and many suicidefags choose to be weak. The poor who are still poor despite their efforts yet still have the strength to keep going, those are the ones I sympathize and respect. The ones who choose to do nothing and continue to leach off of others and/or choose to die because "life is le hard wah :(" despite still being perfectly healthy, I don't care, I just hope they livestream their suicides with s flip so the internet can laugh at their pathetic existence was.
>>84883738You are worse than them
>>84883727It's still possible to escape homelessness but it's your life, kill yourself if you want. I'm still going to call you a pussy faggot if you do though.
>>84883724You are a stranger on the internet so I dont feel bad saying this. You can find someone with even a mediocre good looking face.I dated this girl for a while. We broke up on great terms, she was just moving away and we decided a long term relationship wasnt worth it. Whatever, shes doing fine in life. She was way better looking than me. She was like some type of alternative whatever. I am a fat chud by all terms. Im like 5'7 and fat, and met her in the college class i failed. We ended up dating because I treated her like a person. I realized that she liked it when I made fun of her, and let her make fun of me back, then told her to shut up, etc. It was play fighting. This gorgeous ass girl liked me because she THOUGHT IT WAS HOT THAT I READ MANGA. As in, she could start watching a show, and I could tell her who died and I could answer questions about the show when she asked. Started with talking in class where she would be like "have you watched blah blah blah" to exchanging phone numbers to playing vidya to talking about life. The next semester, I asked her to hang out one on one, and boom we dated. You just have to be yourself, and unfortunately be outside in public. You are being lazy, if a girlfriend is something you really want. I probably wasnt her type, but she ended up liking me because we clicked. I believe in you anon.
>>84883501I was originally just going to vent about how I was suicidal (and still passively kind of am) during a certain point in my life, as well as the motivations why, but I thought that was gay. My argument is essentially this: hypothetically, if you could choose between being tortured for twenty years straight and then dying, or just being killed on the spot, what would you choose?Obviously, most people would choose to be killed on the spot, since they don't want to suffer and the outcome is the same, right? Well, the psychology behind suicide is essentially just the same idea.Fates worse than death exist, and reality can be incredibly unbearable if the conditions are right, so why shouldn't you just end your suffering prematurely if you don't enjoy being alive and see no way out of your situation? Besides, we're all going to die eventually anyway, so what does it even matter if you hasten the process? Maybe whatever form of existence on the other side will finally give you whatever everlasting solace you were looking for in life.
>>84883753Why do entitled faggots always harp on about MUH SUFFERING IS MEANING when they have literally never truly suffered in their entire lives? Just go flagellate yourself in the streets if you think this. Better yet donate yourself to sadists so they can torture you to death so you both get off on it.
>>84883565Not the same anon, but I have had suicidal thoughts before. I think hopelessness is definitely at the core of it.I am below 40, 6'2, white, able-bodied, intelligent enough to get into a prestigious uni, and I live in a Western country.These are petty metrics. They only have value if you buy into the "dream" first. You do so implicitly; I don't. Nothing feels real to me. I experience the self as disjoint. Consequently, all connections feel superfical at best, and all achievements feel empty. I distrust anything that can be described with words, as I know how treacherous and incomplete mind constructs are. I am also horrified by anything that can't be described with words, as experiencing the world as is is strangely alienating, like drowning in the primordial chaos.I don't expect you to get any of this, but, long story short, I reject your motivations. My hopeless does not stem from believing I cannot attain the goal, but rather from believing there is no goal who's attainment would fulfill me.As a side note, many outwardly successful, young people have killed themselves. If your model of reality can't account for that, it's obviously incomplete.
>>84883772yeah, its a lot easier when youre in school. even my failure ass managed to get a college gf. But im not in school anymore, and going back isnt really an option, and even if I did Im a 34 year old weirdo now.
>>84883883Except you're not being tortured, killing yourself because you can't get your dick wet anymore by some roastie who broke up with you isn't torture, it just makes you a weakling, and yet so many retards in this world kill themselves over that. The issue is that people think their life isn't perfect means they should resort to killing themselves all because they're too weak to handle non-debilitating pain.>>84883909Suffering is a part of life faggot, all of us have suffered to some degree. It just so happens that some sre too weak willed to go through with it and ACK themselves jn the process and they deserve to be ridiculed because they had no legitimste reason to commit suicide.>>84884069>rather from believing there is no goal who's attainment would fulfill me.So go live a selfless life then if you have nothing to live for yourself and no selfish desire would fulfill you. You can train yourself to be a medic and go help all the kids in Gaza being bombed and murdered by pissrael. Maybe you won't feel fulfilled still but selfless acts aren't focused on yourself it's focused on helping others. If you still kill yourself I'm still not going to sympathize with you decision and still call you a bitch baby faggot like the rest.And all the young "successful" people who killed themselves are still pussies because they likely chased society's idea of success rather than their own ide of success,basically they're still a puppet for society and they're too retarded to know that.
>>84883501No you're right OP, if anything it makes much more sense to be homicidal than suicidal, killing others at least directly solves a problem though it's a terrible solution because you invariably go to jail and sit in a box for your remaining years, but in the moment it's an understandable impulse, suicide on the other hand is a histrionic fantasy that only appeals to teenagers with zero perspective, or at least it should
>>84884190The absolute irony of that last sentence.
>getting mad at people who have literally nothing in lifevery well adjusted and normal behavior
>>84884224All suicidefags should kill a politician or a CEO on their way out, at least they'll die as a hero instead of as some pathetic weakling jumping off a bridge>>84884261Livestream your ACKing pls thanks
I need to kill myself. You to, OP.
