Wow, thats crazy, thats insane - editionprevious >>16256115
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yngaVQqrw-c
What are the differences in US space policy if we have Trump flavored potato vs Biden flavored potato?
>>16257951Not much I imagine, both will want a moon landing in their second term for prestige reasons so both have reason to accelerate artemis.
>>16257956>accelerate artemisSo they'll both cancel SLS and Orion?
>>16257959Congress won't let them do that.
>>16257951Not much. Trump is more likely to mooch off of spacex success occasionally for photo ops so he might bring more attention to it for better or worse.
>>16257960If it's all up to congress I don't see how a moon landing will happen by 2028.
>>16257963It's not all up to congress.There are certainly things you can do to accelerate artemis that won't piss of congress.
>>16257964Maybe you could just have SLS/Orion do a mission to scrub shit off the side of ISS or something.
>>16257951We are getting at the point that the US goverment has to crack down hard on boeing and i feel like a trump admin is going to be a lot harder on them then a biden admin who will just sweep it all under the rug.
Behold, the last sane Frenchman>CNES chairman and CEO Philippe Baptiste has responded to Eumetsat's decision to ditch Ariane 6 in favour of Falcon 9, saying, “How far will we, Europeans, go in our naivety.”https://europeanspaceflight.com/cnes-chief-responds-harshly-to-eumetsats-decision-to-ditch-ariane-6/
>>16257968Him and Lori Garver should fuck
>>16257968the leadership of eumetsat?
>>16257968How much longer can europe stick it's head in the sand about their space industry being the most garbage of the big 5?Will india putting a man in space on their own rocket and capsule before europe be the wakeup call they need?
>>16257976I think it's not reasonable to include organizations with no space industry like russia or europe.
>>16257976I think it'll take nothing less than satelite owners complaining that launching on mandatory Ariane 6 rockets costs 10x as much as it should
>>16257978Russia has the 3rd biggest space industry right now, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>16257931If it's not Boeing, I'm not going!
>>16257980NTA but yeah they have no industry. Cope
>>16257999shidd I fucked up the transparency, not deleting the get though
>>16257976I'm going to be the contrarian here and defend ESA. While the entire rocket side of ESA is peak old space coruption bullshit run by the ariana frogs and the vega pastaniggers, and the french having a massive monopoly on it all because of their spaceport on the equator.ESA still is more efficient at doing more science&research in space per eurodollar then NASA.
>>16258000>supplied americans with engines for decades cause american engines were crap>got american astronauts to the iss cause the shittle retire with no plan to re-place it>built half the iss>continually developing new rockets>>no industrystop posting retard-kun
>>16258002>ESA still is more efficient at doing more science&research in space per eurodollar then NASA.Faint praise when they do substantially less than america. About par with china.
>>16258004>b-but look at all these thing they did decades ago
>>16258004So? Rhodesia and South Africa were once nice places. Are they that way now?
>>16258005Please stop talking if you dont know what your talking about.
>>16258009euro malding lel
>>16258008>Rhodesia and South Africa were once nice places.No they weren't
>>16258012Beter then the rest of black africa at least.
I like to remind that if it was not for elon musk (a south african) brute forcing spaceX succes. Americans would still be riding bitch on the soyuz and SLS and starliner would still be in development hell. You should be gratefull to Elon musk and the good lads at spaceX for granting you the opportunity to be so smug about it all.
>>16258000Not sure what you"re on about. The still manufacture quite a lot of rockets and payloads. That's pretty much the definition of having an industry.
>>16258016Would.And judging by the amount of kids he has so would Elon.
>>16258013which does not in anyway mean they were nice places
>>16258016I wonder what south africans think when they look at Elon. Do they wish things had gone differently?>>16258010you're baiting, retarded and/or new.Russia's space program is declining rather quickly and doesn't seem capable of much beyond riding on the coattails of soviet successes, but they're still a major player because of that legacy.
>>16258021>I wonder what south africans think when they look at Elon. Do they wish things had gone differently?I think most black south africans hate elon musk by the looks of how bad the boers have it right now over there.
>>16258023I remember seeing of video of this black south african woman saying Musk made her proud of her country. Does anyone remember that?
>>16258016Lel. Imagine in that timeline the Boeing CFT being treated like the second Moon landing.
>>16258007>decades agoULA was using the russian engines until the invasion of ukraineAmericans were stuck flying on soyuz until 2020Russia put the latest iss segment on in 2021I know time flies when you get old but all these were very recent, not decades ago. Get with the times gramps.
>>16258047And in 2024?
>>16258056Still making enginesStill making and flying soyuzDeveloping the soyuz 7Developing their new post iss space stationIn other words doing the stuff a space industry does.Remind me, what is europe doing in 2024?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtBJjvxqOpk>SpaceX' Second Launch Tower is taking Shape!no talking, didn't know they made vids like these
Awesome job OP.
>>16258061
>>16258060>but what about europeeurope does nothing, like russia.
>>16258060>Remind me, what is europe doing in 2024?https://spacenews.com/europe-aims-to-end-space-access-crisis-with-ariane-6s-inaugural-launch/>"Honestly, I don’t think Starship will be a game-changer or a real competitor."
>>16258001I'm gonna miss this little bitch after she either kills two astronauts or gets abandoned in space.
>>16258076I can't wait for the art of whichever outcome transpires.
I hate you niggers who fall for bait more
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1806672865590428127
>>16258082https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1806673878493889023
>>16258075At the very least russia is taking reuse seriously.
looking this delta v chart, does it really take 27 km/s of delta v to get off venus? Is that all from atmospheric drag?
>>16258092Better deltaV map
>>16258091I hear they plan to start on a RLV right after Angara enters regular service, some time in the early 2070s.
>>16257951A better economy means more money for space.
>>16258116Interesting. Which candidate would be the economy president?
>>16258124You even have to ask?
>>16258124The business tycoon, not the career politician, I believe. The former wants to mug for the camera when big rockets are launching and for that reason alone I want him back. The current guy sucks and doesn't care about the outer space.
>>16258124Neither.
>>16258066cubeular
>>16257931yeah
boring monoparty theatre goes in>>>/pol/
>>16258156Ok. What kind of rogget do you like best?
>>16258158NTA but the skylab saturn v
>>16258158Aggregat
>>16258162Based. I like Titan II for hypergolics and pogo memes.
>>16258158NTA Starship. Its the normie choice but I dont care.
>>16258158paper roggets. I love stupid shit like hybrid propellant engines.
>>16258169The N1 was the best looking rocket ever made.
>>16258171Looks stupid
>>16258172you look stupid
>>16258171It really was. Korolev would have had that shit boostin' tight.
>>16258172You look stupid
>>16258173>>16258175Tankie group-think
What is the current Basedship status bros?I am at hardstyle festival cannot keep up
>>16258181The tower arms are cranking a shaft
>>16258177the setup is too obvious. come up with a better criticism of N1 or expect low effort replies
>>16258184Cranking my shaft to this.The catch is gonna be so good.
Wizards of /sfg/, is there an ebook/pdf copy of pic related anywhere on the wild internet? I've found fuckall so far, I had this book years ago and it got destroyed, now I just want a digital replacement.
>>16258188Such a shame glushko had these scrapped
>>16258171I really like its aesthetics and even variable thrust vector design to steer it. But I think Starships design is 2nd for me.
>>16258004>continually developing new rocketQuite literally, Angara's development started in the nineties.
>>16258133>The business tycoon,Anon, Trump's only competency is looting and scooting.
>>16258171Only a complete idiot would count on 30 rocket engines working together.
>>16258207this is true. the hard limit is 27
Good morning everyone! Now that Biden has the presidentcy locked in, who will he appoint for Nasa administration?
>>16258194Why was he such a huge cunt?What did Korolev even do to this guy?
>>16258001thank u for making us a special one
Any company actually working on a spin station right now?
>>16258001dumb brat needs course correction
>>16258220He disagreed with him on rocket design.
>>16258220Competed directly against each other. With Korolev out of the way he could wine and dine with the party heads and enjoy lavish lifestyle.
>>16258004If anon isnt a shill (doubtful) denying the decrepit state of Roscosmos doesn't help anything.Could be using its space and nuclear industry to gain hard currency but nope.
>>16258230scrapping the N1 is personal.
>>16258193No luck for me either.haven't finished yet though.
>>16258162Yup this and StarshipChefs kiss, kino, perfection, whatever you want to call it. These are cool ass rockets with strong auras
>>16258246Damn, well I appreciate you trying no matter the outcome anon, usually I don't have this much difficulty tracking down something like this.
>>16256099>>16256099>>16256099Staging the correct thread
Kek this tourist really thought
>>16258260wow thats crazy
>>16258238I am not denying the decrepit state of roscosmos. However denying russia has a space industry is ridiculous.
>>16258260Thats insaaaaane
>>16258092the pressure's so high on the surface that normal rocket engines are basically useless. it's not really 27 km/s if you're smart about how you do things.
>>16257073man you probably shouldn't say that lol
How will this impact the FAA? I recall /sfg/ was looking forward to this decision
>>16258220korolev called him incompetent for needing to split the combustion chambers on the rd-107/108 and then he later tried to get him fired from the r-9 program because he thought glushko was taking too long on the engine for that. the n1 was a terrible rocket and scrapping it was the correct decision.
>>16258272just depends on the roulette of which judges land which cases now. it could go really well or really badly.
>>16258272>>16258277Elon seems happy about it
>>16258273literally all they needed to do for N1 was build better engine testing infrastructure.
>>16258001>shidd I fucked upvery Boing-spirited
>>16258272>who should interpret the law?>judges? >bearcats with political agendas?>random rent-an-expert that you see on every tabloid shit?
>>16258279and that was going to fix all the other problems like pogo and KORD being a broken piece of shit and the engine sensors giving false readings because the thing was wired like shit?
>>16258279They already did that, the nk33s were gonna be installed on the 5th N1.
>>16258279That still only gets them to apollo 4. as much as I love n1, it wasn't as simple as fix the engines get a man on the moon. I don't think there's any reality where the soviet moon program panned out.
>>16258273Lies.It just needed one more test flight, bro
>>16258287What about the soviets going with chelomei's UR-700 instead of the N1?
>>16258284forgot about KORD, yes that's the other major hurdle.
>>16258291chelomei was clueless about spacecraft design and the LK-700 would have never been ready before the late 70s. but i'm biased toward the rd-270 and like to think the rocket itself probably would've worked.
https://www.theinformation.com/articles/behind-the-demise-of-a-quirky-billionaires-spacex-moon-missionhttps://new.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/1dqm339/comment/lap4k7z/
>>16258082berger is being lied to and he's too naive to realize it>>16258272this guts the FAA. its all but a powerless agency now. its good for spaceflight but bad for america. civil war is closer than ever now.
>>16258299getting rid of the administrative state gets the US closer to civil war? Why the fuck
>>16258294>chelomei was clueless about spacecraft designDude made the proton, almaz stations and the TKS spacecraft
>>16258297Wow that website is cancer
>>16258297>Mockups of the design drew on Japanese and Nordic inspirations, with wood paneling throughout the space and bathrooms that resembled a Swedish sauna, according to people close to the project. Because the artists would be recording music and videos throughout their trip, Maezawa asked SpaceX to pay special attention to the acoustics of the space, some of those people said.>But, as The Information has previously reported, the space agency has grown frustrated with SpaceX’s delays in getting the rocket ready. Earlier this month, SpaceX successfully launched an unmanned version of the rocket into orbit before its first and second stages returned to Earth and crashed into the ocean in the fourth-ever test flight.
>>16258019>does not in any wayRelatively, they were nice places.Actually, fuck it. Rhodesia was practically paradise compared to the likes of Libya and Sudan. Definitely nice places in relativity.
>>16258301Because the state doesn't want to die and will happily sacrifice you and I to avoid it.
>>16258302he got some experience eventually but TKS took about 10 years longer than chelomei expected. LK-700 would have obviously taken even longer.
>>16258301There is one side that cheers the admin state while the other is harder into the constitution and codified laws.It's not even necessarily along party or ideology lines. Just mostly whoever benefits the most from each persuasion.The majority of people who feel they have or exercise power only have it because of the administrative state, unfortunately this is alot of evil people.
>>16258307administrative state, not the state altogetherbureaucracies won't disappear due to this ruling it just means that they won't have their own internal quasi-judges so it will limit their power
>>16258026I've seen all sorts of shit come outta SA. I think I saw that too.
>>16258291Korolev's big argument against hypergolics was that if a rocket that big exploded the launch pad would be uninhabitable for years. Chelomei's response was that it just wouldn't explode because Glushko's engines would be so reliable. While Glushko did build some great engines, every Soviet rocket went through a teething process where it lost a lot of early vehicles. The Proton had a success rate of just 40% during it's first five years of operation and the R7 was barely able to break 60% over its first five. If the Soviets had tried building the UR-700 they would have lost at least a few of them and each failure would have been as big a setback for their lunar program as the time the second N1 launch destroyed its launch complex.
>agency power got gutted by the supreme courtdoes this include nasa? noaa? nsa? will bezos begin dropping dozens of lawsuits on nasa to get contracts ripped out of spacex's hands?
>>16258305>It was around that time that he started talking to SpaceX. He developed a personal relationship with Tom Ochinero, a Japanese-born sales executive who sold launch services to commercial customers and private astronauts, according to former SpaceX employees. Ochinero was said to have sealed the dearMoon deal after he impressed Maezawa by eating spicy food at his request, said a person who heard the story.>In January 2020, he posted online that he was looking for a romantic partner to join him on the SpaceX flight. Maezawa said at the time that he had broken up with his actress and singer girlfriend Ayame Goriki because she didn’t want to go to space with him.>Tensions between Maezawa and SpaceX began to intensify in 2022 as it became increasingly clear the project would be delayed, said the people close to the project.>The billionaire and SpaceX began haggling over a number of issues, including the wood finishes Maezawa had requested for the interior of the spacecraft, one of the people said. SpaceX had concerns that the bespoke design was too flammable and conflicted with its style for the vehicle, the person said.>Maezawa also requested an array of colors for spacesuits, leading to jokes among some SpaceX staff members that the crew would resemble the characters in the space-themed videogame “Among Us,” that person said. Ultimately, SpaceX rebuffed that request in favor of an all-white spacesuit, because the pigmentation in colored fabrics creates heat and flammability concerns, the person said.sounds a bit gay desu
>>16258193Oh god, it's a pre-ISBN book. I unfortunately do not think this book is archived online.I should look into buying a copy to make a PDF.
>>16258325>By the first half of 2023, around the time SpaceX did its first test launch of Starship, SpaceX told Maezawa dearMoon would launch no earlier than 2026, according to a person involved.>Some people involved in the project speculated that Maezawa had lost interest in space following his trip on Soyuz, or that his decision was financial—by 2024, his net worth had fallen to $1.4 billion, just half of what it was in 2017, according to Forbes.TL:DR no real new information, other than that MZ wanted wood paneling and colorful spacesuits but nothing about the reason for cancellation itself
>>16258297>reddit linkKill yourself
>>16258327I see a few copies for sale on Amazon and elsewhere but they're a bit pricey, $50-70 by the looks of things.
>>16258299I know this wasn't your intention, but the idea of the FAA being this load bearing organization that, now that it is powerless it's causing the entire union to collapse... Well it's just fucking hilarious! Thanks for the image, friend.
>>16258329>wood paneled spaceship the kino we were denied
>>16258329We do know the price of about 650 million dollars. With maezawa's worth down to 1.4 billion he'd be spending half his fortune on this mission. That might be a bit hard to swallow.
>>16258305>NASA is frustrated with SpaceX delaying Artemiswhy is nasa so gay
>>16258338>NASAThey're probably referring to Nelson blaming HLS for delays when talking to congress recently. They all know the actual truth but they all have a financial interest in SLS. Just politics. You can disregard
S-See, chuds! They can SIT in their SEATS! That means the thrusters work now!!
>>16258341Or could be referencing that HLS guy admin that wants to cast doubt upon fixed price commercial contracts.
How did the RD-0120 achieve combustion stability without resonance chambers?
It's over.
>>16258327>I should look into buying a copy to make a PDF.Maybe you have access to one of these libraries, or can get it from them through an interlibrary loan?https://search.worldcat.org/title/602193511
>>16258353strong "THIS *CLAP* IS *CLAP* WHY *CLAP* WE *CLAP* TEST" vibes
>>16258330Not that anon, but it's a Reddit link to a comment chain with the full text of the paywalled article, one which can't even be viewed through archive.is. Kill yourself instead.
>>16258353How soon should I make a video saying that this is the end of spaceX? This cannot be fixed and it's over
>>16258359>tweet is 18 hours old >his "end of SpaceX" video isn't already outngmi
>>16258353but /sfg/ told me steel airframes didn't have a service life, how can they sustain damage over time?
>>16258323NASA isn't one of the three letter agencies that made up law as they saw fit.
>>16258004It wasn't because American engines were crap, it's because the Clinton Administration urgently wanted to keep Russian rocket scientists gainfully employed during the political and economic tumult that followed the collapse of the USSR, instead of looking to China or Iran or North Korea or Iraq for a paycheck. The engines were good, don't get me wrong, it's just not why they did it.
>>16258356THIS *SLAP* IS *SLAP* WHY *SLAP* WE *CRACK*
>>16258372>It wasn't because American engines were crapNo, it was because the american engines were crap. America still hadn't figured out oxidizer rich engine cycles and until they got their hands on russian engines straight up thought they were impossible. You can see this because boeing went with the RS-68 with delta 4. Why didn't boeing go for an american kerolox engine? Because there were none!The american government made the ISS to keep russian engineers busy, american companies went with russian engines because the russian engines were vastly better at the time.
>>16258353Elon already said they have a new shorter arm design that has less momentum when moving.I wonder if they'll attempt it anyway though. It's not like they'll actually re-use the booster, and it'll be nearly out of fuel when it lands so the potential explosion couldn't be too big.
>>16258376When Clinton was balancing the budget, they decided they should either build the Superconducting Supercollider or build the International Space Station: his administration decided that one of them had to be cut. They chose to build the ISS to keep the Space Shuttle busy and to keep the Russians gainfully employed, to the point that NASA paid for the initial Russian segments out of pocket. The technical specifications of the launch vehicle engines had literally nothing to do with these politically motivated decisions.
>>16258382Yeah, thats what I said, the iss was a political decision, NG and LH going with russian engines for their rockets was a performance and cost decision.Because the russian engines were better than anything that was available on the american market.
Why doesn't Turkey have a space industry? They've a big arms industry
>>16258385The US space industry was urged to look at Russian technology and use it to keep them employed. Boeing started outsourcing a lot of work to Russia at this time, and the RD-180 was chosen for the Atlas rocket because it was a good engine and straight upgrade to the RS-56, but the decision to make use of Russian technology was at the urging of politicians to make use of what was available.
>>16258376American engines at the time were focused on hydrolox, something that is still dark magic for Russia.
>>16257951Biden has basically left Trump's first term space policies on autopilot. With Trump we'd see better funding of interplanetary missions and less regulatory interference with SpaceX but that's about it.
>>16258397With Chevron Deference killed off in the courts, it's no longer legal for agencies to invent any authority for themselves and must instead rely on unambiguously written laws, so we should see a lot less regulatory interference now that they're no longer free to regulate on demand.
>>16258391Keep coping. Russian engines were better and it was a market decision. Zero evidence NG and LH were told to use russian engines by politicians.>>16258393Thats not true, the RD-0120 was the RS-25's equal in pretty much every way. The russians made good hydrolox (self-contradiction lol) engines.
>>16258353Add more stringers
>>16258402it's not that easy in rocketry
>>16258401>Zero evidence NG and LH were told to use russian engines by politicians.Zero evidence if you ignore the evidence, speaking of cope.
>>16258401You're gaslighting pretty hard today. Also, NG and LH? The companies involved at the time were Boeing and Lockheed Martin: Northrop Grumman did not have a space sector at the time. The Antares rocket using Ukrainian tankage and Russian engines was made by Orbital Sciences (later merged with Alliant Techsystems, later bought out by Northrop Grumman) because they were trying to be as cheap as possible without their own in-house manufacturing expertise.
>>16258407Whoops, meant to say launch sector, rather than space sector.
>>16258353Flex seal
You were imagining that you were the one interviewing him, right?
>>16258406What evidence? The only evidence provided is that the ISS was made to keep russians busy and that companies were told to "look at" russian engines. You never even provided evidence american companies using russian engines were a political mandate.>>16258407>The companies involved at the timeAt the time? What time? I never specified any time. I just listed the 2 major american rocket manufacturers who used russian rocket engines. And yes I did forget that OS was the original manufacturer of antares.Neither of these address the main point.
>>16258355Oh shit, there's a copy literally a town over.Now I just need to figure out how to scan in such a PDF...
so maezawa didnt want a ride to the moon, he wanted a luxury space yacht? and spacex found it too impractical to work on?
>>16258417I think I see what happened now: I didn't have the Orbital Sciences COTS contract in mind when I was debating you, and you are correct that Russian engines were chosen because they were cheap and "good" (aside from the part where the NK-33s were a known risk factor and had to be heavily rebuilt to even be useful, and were abandoned after the LOX pump exploded in flight on ORB-3), and then moved on to the next cheapest option in the form of RD-193s.
>>16258421Damn closest one to me is a whole state over. Making a .pdf from a series of scanned images is trivial so long as you get nice page scans.
the fact that axiom hasnt announced a crew for the axiom-4 mission yet suggests that the mission has been delayed, likely because of the recent collaboration between nasa and india (isro)
>>16258424To be fair all the NK-33's were built in the early 70's and had just been sitting in a warehouse for 40 years when this was flown.
>>16258376>Why didn't boeing go for an american kerolox engine? Because there were none!... I don't get this argument in the slightest.They wanted to reuse the Rocketdyne F-1 on the SLS but came to the conclusion that because those engines were hand made, it wasn't worth it. It may not be an efficient beast, but it sure as shit was a kerolox engine we built. There's also the Rocketdyne H-1, RS-27, RS-56(everything here is stuff BOEING HAS BLUEPRINTS FOR,) and SpaceX Merlin rocket engines. These are all American kerolox engines, and most of them were even available during the Delta IV program.I guess you have a point if you're really meaning RG-1 and not RP-1, but that's a fuel refining process, and unless your engine is straddling a very thin line, you don't need to worry that much about the /slightly/ higher energy density of RG-1.Bleh, I need to proof read more.
>>16258435They were dismantled and rebuilt with all of their seals replaced, gimbals added, and all new electronics were developed and built for the engine computers.
SC just overruled chevron deference, how could this help SpaceX? Less obstruction and shit?
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1806444825979543725New vid
>STARLINER: NO TARGETED DATE FOR LANDINGLmao
>>16258453NASA: this is why spacex is holding us back
>>16258448Before:>Agency: "We at Agency have decided that you can't do this">You: "by what right have you made this authority for yourselves?">Agency: "Chevron Deference">Courts: "Checks out."After:>Agency: "We at Agency have decided that you can't do this">You: "by what right have you made this authority for yourselves?">Agency: "Well if you read between the lines in the law that authorizes our agency...">Court: "Nah, let me take a look at that, first."
>>16258448Regulatory agencies have less powers and now require congress to pass specific laws. The power over law gets passed back to the congress rather than to agencies.>>16258452
>>16258382i'd rather have the ISS than CERN at least. europe wasn't going to build ISS on its own and there's no spacex without it.
>>16258452I don't think thats new, just a repost from them
>Nappi says, regarding the helium leaks and the thruster issues, "we understand these issues for safe return... We don't understand these issues well enough to fix them permanently."What the actual fuck
>>16258472The leaks will continue until the end of Starliner program.
>orbital fuel depotany good realistic guess as to when they would start construction? for me it would be 2028 or 2029. i dont think it'll be like the ISS where they plan everything out ahead of time, i think it'll be like starbase where they start out with a minimum viable product and expand from there.
>>16258382>NASA paid for the initial Russian segments out of pocketWe also paid for Spektr and Priroda to be added on to Mir so the Shuttle-Mir program could function as a kind of pre-ISS program.
>>16258472>yeah it'll just leak sometimestheir ceiling birds are chirping too I bet.
>>16258474there's not going to be any "construction" of the first depot, it's just going to be a single starship that they keep in orbit. one starship can hold more than enough propellant for anything artemis is going to need.
>sieveliner
>>16258353Why not just make it so the arms can't close further than the radius of the booster with a stupid doorstop-like mechanism on the tower/arms?
>>16258481pissliner
our chubby jewess is backhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pi1Zpprq9Y
>>16258442>They wanted to reuse the Rocketdyne F-1 on the SLS but came to the conclusion that because those engines were hand madeI'm pretty sure it was because the F-1 hadn't been built since apollo.>Rocketdyne H-1Gas generator that stopped production in 1975>RS-27 & RS-56Both gas generators that were substantially below russian performance. Both had stopped production by the early 2000's>SpaceX MerlinMade because musk realized making engines in house was cheaper than buying from manufacturers.I'll admit I thought the RS-27 & 56 were dead by the 90's but doesn't change the fact that the russian engines were cheaper and better performing that the american kerolox engines.
https://x.com/Austen/status/1806755967637528762
>>16258521i aint reading that, give us the tl;dr
Dragon-derived Deorbit vehicle
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1806762777333076064deorbit vehicle will be dragon based
>>16258523agencies exploited gray areas in laws resulting in lengthy lawsuits and refused to clarify these murky areas of the law but then still used them punitively
>>16258524Could they just use a regular cargo dragon and pocket the rest of the "development funding"?
>>16258171we've been through this before. its not bad but the Saturn V is obviously far better looking and its pointiness is superior. i like rockets that didn't explode on the pad.
>>16258526so a dragon has enough power to drag the ISS into the ocean?
>>16258532~50m/s is all you need
>>16258529a regular cargo dragon wouldn't be able to deorbit a 450-ton station. you're going to need at least 10 tons of propellant for that.
>>16258133>The current guy sucks and doesn't know about the outer space.FTFY
>>16258529I'm pretty sure it doesn't have enough TWR to reliably crash it into Pacific graveyard even if had enough fuel.
>>16258540if you use the superdracos then TWR is no problem
https://x.com/jeff_foust/status/1806763912668364959
>>16258526>modifications to the trunkSo either a big ass pair of tanks, and we're talking 7-8 tons of the stuff. Or it docks asswards through a dummy port in the trunk to expose the preferred thrusters for a velocity change and then the tanks are inside where the pressure vessel should be.or both?>>16258532it definitely doesn't, not the current one by itself
>>16258541Does regular cargo dragon have those even?Not like it needs them for anything.
>>16258547yeah you're right now that i check.
>>16258521So this has gotta help SpaceX/space startups/nuclear startups/AI startups somehow
>>16258554it will bring more clarity eventually from lawsuit precedentsless arbitrary bullshit from bureucrats
>>16258558"eventually" being the key word. it's going to take years and years and many more SCOTUS cases before thing start getting sorted out.
>>16258558That's good, at least there's nothing to make the upcoming Starship LC-39/SLC-37 EIS harder
>>16257999>>16258001im gonna seggs her after she comes back from orbit!
>>16258554>somehowRegulatory capture is one way that established companies can stifle competition from upstarts. Now that's a little bit harder, since congress critters are a more expensive purchase than regulators.
>>16258571hopefully you will experience no seggfaults
>>16258571I'm afraid there's only a 41% chance of "her" returning to safety.
>>16258542>>16258526Dragon heritage does not inherently mean a Dragon capsule but it does mean things like the docking ring, engines, tanks, software etc.
>>16258587:(
>>16258597Gud.Ol sha Sha's got a present for you as well.
>>16258353The SpaceX yaoi paddle.
https://x.com/OfficialKion/status/1806757059368829119
>>16258604*yuri
https://x.com/balajis/status/1806773841395675218Even longer thread about the positive outcomes>Technology is about to accelerate.>Because Chevron deference is over.>And regulators can't just make up laws anymore.>So, countless new startups just became feasible.>This is often spoken about in the abstract, so let's do three examples and two visuals.>THREE ELooks like will be good for space startups
>>16258614>In other words: if a regulator can't point to the law that gives them the power, they may not have the power. And you might be able to win in a court of law.Damn this is actually huge put this way, can foresee lots of positive and negative consequences
>>16258614>countless new startups just became feasible.what's a possible spaceflight startup that could be feasible now that wasnt before?
>>16258617Space mining? idk, just like AI these industries are too early to have too tight regulations imposed on them, so by that metric at least it doesn't looks like things will become more infeasible over time with regulatory excess the likes of ALARA
>>16258614>2) Nuclear power. Did Congress explicitly give EPA and NRC the authority to implement ALARA? No, it did not. But these agencies came up with this "as low as reasonably achievable" standard, forcing nuclear energy to become as expensive as other energy sources by spending all the cost-savings on "safety." Implicitly, this was under Chevron too.so nuclear power became easier?what about nuclrea in space propulsion
>>16258614>>16258615>>16258619>>16258621a court is still going to have to rule ALARA unconstitutional before anything chages. courts make stupid decisions all the time and there's no reason to assume this is going to happen out of hand.
>>16258619>>16258621>space mining >nuclear propulsionenough pop sci, give me something real, something tangible
>>16258621Presumably things remain as they are and eventually some regulatory burdens get eased by court challenges I think, so best case scenario no regulatory over-burden, wonder what this means for NTSB and FCC and their efforts to interfere and regulate commercial spaceflight too...
Did congress sign a law specifically stating NOAA has the authority to issue space/earth observation licenses btw?
>>16258625now there is going to be a court decision so easier to implement a law that fixes that or overturns it compared to the gray murky area being an unknown random riskat leas you will know what is allowed and what is not and if something is not, you can start lobbying to change it
>biggest worry was that as SpaceX dominance and commercial spaceflight kept increasing the "regulatory state" would step in too quickly in attempts to seize power like NTSB already is trying and hamper the acceleration>Supreme Court just made that happening much less likelyMan, this is great actually
>>16258628https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/15/960.1
>>16258646Basically "stay in your fucking lane" unless Congress says otherwise
>>16258649Yeah I never checked but that makes sense, since its for national security imperative, and congress sometimes signs other weirder shit like mandating SLS
>>16258649btw NOAA considers cameras “remote sensors” thus under its authority, for context
Please help us /sfg/... don't let us die out here...
>>16258654the NOAA considers? so that is something that could be litigated
>>16258665yeah its already making progress, https://payloadspace.com/noaa-gives-heos-holmes-a-thumbs-up/
>>16258382Supercollider is a complete waste of money compared to the ISS
>>16258660JUST STEAL THE DRAGON FOR GOD'S SAKESPLASH DOWN SOMEWHERE AND CLAIM ASYLUMEVEN IF REENTRY DOESN'T KILL YOU THE BOEING WHISTLEBLOWER CONTAINMENT SQUAD WILL
>>16258421university libraries have copy machines that can scan a whole book into a pdf unless I am dreaming about using one
>>16258660>Boeing kills two astronauts
>>16258505i already knew about fallenshadow’s announcement but thx anyways
Are there any tools I can use to simulate plate tectonics or tectonic activity on a 2d map?
>>16258542>NASA is preparing both Dragon Crew-10 and the next Starliner mission in parallel for Feb 2025 crew rotationNow I am not a betting man but yeah, I’d say the chance of Starliner flying this particular mission is pretty much zero. Embarrassing for a company that was once so great.
>>16258684Be more specific
>>16258684This could range from something found in a phd thesis to something found on a worldbuilding forum
>>16258205Pre-COVID economy was pretty great. Better than this shit anyway.
>>16258660https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2KzfTbbs3Y
>>16258325Spacex: That's flammableYakuza: Yeah, but really flammable or just *pretty* flammable?He's a dumbass
>>16258707kek
>>16258706I don't remember this scene from Fifth Element
>imagine being mogged by Chinaat this rate, the jeets might have a moonbase before EU and the US. wtf, can you faggots speed up?
>>16258727we need a babylon 5 style moonbase...all these powers working together in the same area, which often results in military showdowns and gun battles
>>16258727I'm curious to see how far China goes on their own. The neofascist commie/market hybrid seems to be really good for space development. I'm skeptical about the level of innovation though. They've done well so far with derivatives of old soviet shit but that limits you to missions the world has already seen. Would be incredible if they match Starship though. Can you imagine a space race where both sides can launch 1,000,000 tons to orbit every year? At that point the winner of the space race would be everyone
>>16258731I can't recall a single episode of B5 that talked about the moon. So I'm not sure what you mean. Like a B station in moon orbit?
>>16258735i meant have the moonbase be a joint project between major powers like the ISS, only more dangerous
>>16258734Wouldn’t say these “neofascist communist” govts are conductive to accelerating space as much as they are simply interested in it / executing a gameplan.Even with the US running on turbo backburner mode with expensive/late hardware it is still probably going to land back on the Moon and get some sort of sustainable hardware down there for longer and longer duration stays before China even gets boots on the surface
>>16258738berger thinks a chinese moon landing is due before the end of the decade
Weeks over, you fags are now stuck with me for the weekend. Now, why does /sfg/ seem to not hate Northropp as much as other oldspace counterparts like Locksneed or Boing? Is it becauee they keep to themselves more so we dont hear about them as much or something else?
>>16258741I rarely think about Northrop and their plane division makes cool stuff so I have more leniency
>>16258412
>>16258741i just cant bring myself to dislike a company that made this little cutie, no matter how much it has changed.
>>16258741mostly because they are not in the same news cycle as LM and Boeing most of the time. Plus ULA also puts more heat on the aforementioned companies.Northrop Grumman still has its hand up the pork pigs asshole though, with ludicrous contracts being divvied out left and right
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>>16258737where the most dangerous criminal in the galaxy shows up every week but they can't track him down because he's hiding in the designated slum zone, and even if they catch him he manages to escape with the innovative tactic of punching security guards
>>16258738The progress here is basically luck (autistic billionaire) rather than policy. China had a real shot at wiping the floor with NASA. Of course now the dynamic is moon landing vs moon base but there's a timeline where it was moon landing vs congress scrambling to turn their jobs program back into an actual factory
>>16258761Yeah no fuck off mate America is beating china on this even in a best-case-scenario for Chinks and a worst-case-scenario for America every single time, every single faggy little alternate timeline you can conjure up
>>16258741Northrop doesn't do all that much that /sfg/ cares about outside of solid propellant applications, but inside that space they seem to know what they're doing. Their space division was mostly built by absorbing smaller but competent corporations, and they don't fuck up their huge projects in the dramatic way that Boeing does. When the B-21 Raider went over-budget Northrop owned up to it and the CEO put out a statement about how they needed to make more realistic bids on fixed-price contracts while admitting that they just weren't going to make a profit on the first few production lots. Being pretty good at your job and not blatantly gaming the system goes a long way.
>>16258757By russian standars it's still a new station, they are going to keep it going long past 2030.
America has frontrun China solely thanks to Elon. Once the chinks catch up by IP theft they will start to mog America. They don't have to deal with shit like "oh you can't launch once a day here because of the turtles and residents are suing us". They will just build a fuck off huge facility somewhere and the government will green light as many launches as they want. It's the same as literally every other industry in China mogging the west, cars are the main example right now.
>>16258780this is either engagement bait or you are mentally retarded
>>16258783American industry is so threatened by Chinese cars the government had to basically ban the cars from being sold in America. Chinese government actually understands industrial policy, something America has pretty much forgotten about.
>>16258787banning foreign car sales is industrial policy, anon
>>16258780Chinks also have all the blueprints (from corporate espionage) of most western jet engines like rolls&royce, but at the end of the day they still cant build a reliable jet engine. The chinese still get most of their militiary jet engines from russia.
>>16258727>Dongfang HourIt's always amusing to watch him downplay China dropping first stages full of liquid cancer on villages.
>>16258727>>16258793He's a chinaboo
>>16258788No it's not, it's impotent seething protectionism as your trade enemy mogs you throughout the rest of the world.
>>16258795sorry, i missed that you were just throwing around terms you don't understand because you were wanting to make some country console wars posts. i won't bother you again.
>>16258787Chinese cars do not pass American safety standards and America isn't interested in China's games of heavily subsidizing their industry.The BYD shilling on /o/ was hilariously blatant.
>>16258798>BYDCant wait to see how the CCP is going to hide the BYD battery fires in western nations. They have complete control in china and can hide that shit, but how are they going to hide it when a BYD cooks it's passengers alive in the US or europe.
>hey /sfg/ is really active now>just another chink timeloop:/
>>16258798>Chinese cars do not pass American safety standardsBYD scored 5/5 in Europe and Australasia NCAP. It's very obviously a political move because American shitbox manufacturers would collapse overnight if a 10k suburb-walmart-wage cage machine appeared on the market.>Noooo china is subsidising EVsEr, meanwhile at Tesla...
>>16258805Euro's are sleeping, americans are occupied with sleepy joe&orange man debat. The only thing left is the summer fags and wumao's. And me.
>>16258807>BYD scored 5/5 in Europe and Australasia NCAPThat doesn't mean much my wumao friend.>Er, meanwhile at Tesla...Companies like BYD are heavily subsidized by the Chibese government, Tesla is not recieving subsidies from the US government.
/SinoFaggotryGeneral/
>>16258801Funny story: I used to be a hardcore leftist twenty years back, and I kept that same image handy because I fell for all the CHINA STRONK faggotry (in addition to a big bunch of other leftist faggotry). Twenty years of economics later, I now see what a bad joke that was...on China.China is this big, dumb fucking plowhorse that the G7 uses to build widgets and gizmos for the West. We don't give a shit about anything else they do...we just want their cheap labor. They get a pretend seat at the grown-ups table, but after that Covid and Hong Kong shit, they get invited to a lot less get-togethers. They know they're going to be replaced eventually by India and Mexico in the widget race, and their frustration causes them to make idle threats at Taiwan and buddy up with truly degraded shitholes like Russia, which is the geopolitical equivalent of flipping the Monopoly board over to avoid bankruptcy.It's pretty funny that this childish propaganda endures. They're catching up to the US space program in 1990s, and this is supposed to be a crisis. What a laugh.
>>16258807>BYD scored 5/5 in Europe and Australasia NCAP>suburb-walmart-wage cage machineoh no it's retarded
/pol/ said ISS is about to explode. What happened?
>>16258834/pol/ was retarded happeningfags
>>16258834Halley's comet fragments are destroying T-mobile xsats, Russian weather satellites, and the Station!
>>16258834SpaceX was awarded a contract to develop and build a deorbit vehicle for the international space station. Otherwise, nothing happened.
>>16258823European safety standards for cars are very stringent, what the fuck are you talking about?>Tesla does not receive any subsidies https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/tesla-inc?????????Plus a 7.5k tax credit on pretty much every Tesla, which is just a roundabout subsidy.
>>16258834it's possible that some things posted there are not true.
>>16258834astronaut corpse reanimated, now has super strength from cosmic rays and is pounding on the hatch to get at the living
>>16258851Loans that are paid off in short order are not subsidies.
>China is gonna overtake us guysCCCP concern-posting needs to end
>>16258846>Otherwise, nothing happened.>https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/russian-satellite-blasts-debris-space-forces-iss-astronauts-shelter-2024-06-27/My favorite part of this story is how all the astronauts were ordered to shelter in their respective vehicles in case of an emergency evacuation, which completely scuppers the SpaceX fable that the Starliner is unusable and "stranding" it's astronauts.
>>16258851European safety standards for "suburb-walmart-wage cage machine" are not stringent.
>>16258868>SpaceX fable Is the Elon man in the room with you right now?
>>16258512>hadn't been built since ApolloAgain, they wanted to build more. The main problem was that they were designed to be built by hand, using far more primitive tools. This meant that each one would be INCREDIBLY temperamental with its own different "personality quirks", and many of the engineer notes made over time because each engineer was more directly involved were lost.Ultimately, it wasn't worth updating the F-1's production up to modern standards, and it's a hand made engine.>gas generatorsYou asked for kerolox engines, not powerful ones. Yes, the RD-180 outperforms those ones, I can't deny facts.>Made because Musk realized making engines in house was cheaper than buying from manufacturersYeah. They're cheaper engines, that could be made even cheaper by stripping what's necessary to reuse them. (In hindsight, this was just a bad argument to begin with, since the Merlin didn't in 2002, when the RS-68 was first deployed.)>I'll admit, I thought the RS-56 was dead by the 90sThat fucking engine first flew in '91 though? And also it was the Atlas 2AS's primary engine, a rocket that flew until 2004? Why did you think this engine got retired before the 2000s?
>>16258612>A lot of these tiles have different shapesSo we can just talk out of our ass now? Last I checked a gross majority are the exact same with a minor amount of different ones around the nose and flaps. What a raging fag
Wait why is it not called the orange planet? It isn’t red at all wtf
>>16258872Every MuskRat on YT has been screaming about "stranded" astronauts for the last week. Take Elon's cock out of your mouth and have a look around.
>>16258615>>In other words: if a regulator can't point to the law that gives them the power, they may not have the power. And you might be able to win in a court of law.So Sue Origin will become powerless?
>>16258879Why are you so fascinated with cocks? Do you miss yours?
>>16258875When you have 9999999 tiles on the vehicle, even a small % of unique ones does add up to a lot.
>>16258770I really really don't have enough faith in SLS/Orion to believe that.
>>16258798>secret Chinese postingSometimes they get me going but then they slip up by including an analogy involving a tiger or something
>>16258884>even a small % of unique ones does add up to a lot.Easily 75% of the tiles are exactly the same. Probably more, I'm being generous.
>>16258868It's possible to open the door and sit inside a car with no engine, anon. A vehicle is supposed to do quite a bit more. Though I'm 99% sure everything will go fine
>>16258888A tiger is a good metaphor for the nation of China. Tigers are beautiful animals that were largely hunted to extinction by the Chinese people so they could be ground up into a power and snorted as an erectile dysfunction cure.
>>16258892how can you evacuate the area on a car with no engine dummy?
i struggle to come up with good startup ideas for spaceflight, but i enjoy the mental exercise nonetheless
>>16258894Did they do that dummy?
>>16258897It will never be profitable unfortunately. Your best case is coming up with a palletized product that would be useful for developing Mars so SpaceX buys it from you instead of doing it themselves. They haven't even started yet so there are some opportunities.
>>16258890Sure, and that's still a whole shitload of uniques. The shuttlfication will continue and you will be happy.
>>16258614>https://x.com/balajis/status/1806773841395675218WoahNow I get it
>>16258898no but the whole point was to be prepared to if they needed to dummyThey were gambling that 50% chance of making it back in the boeing is better than 0% if iss explodes
Too much terra incognita in our own damn star system, that’s unacceptable
>>16258798Why do people repeat this lie?Where is the testing an evaluation that says BYD or other Chinese EVs don't meet US standards?If it didn't meet standards, you wouldn't need to use tarrifs to defacto ban it.
>>16258672There's no way they can hit numbers that low
>>16258897Mass produce super cheap probes with some basic instrumentation on them, flood the asteroid belt and sell the surveys. With that many asteroids being surveyed there are guaranteed to be ones with crazy rich veins/deposits/whatever of very expensive metals. You might not even have to sell the surveys, investor money will flood in if you show off some of the more crazy surveys. Basic mining operation could be done totally automated, the machine would look like a mosquito, solar wings for power, some legs to clamp onto the asteroid, core drill pulls out cylinders of your very expensive metals and then send them back to urf. If your asteroid has a small dv to get back to urf you could have a coilgun setup to shoot the slugs back, if the dv needed is bad then have small solid boosters you strap to your cylinders which you resupply occasionally so long as there is still metal to be mined.Seriously, you can't tell me there aren't sick deposits of shit like rhodium or Iridium that sell for many times the price of gold and if you can't make THAT profitable then asteroid mining is never going to be profitable.
>>16258921This is a shocking amount of words from someone who understands neither automation, market forces, launch costs, development costs, or the actual requirements for a vehicle in space. I hate asteroid mining fags so much. The only people who think it's a good idea don't know anything
>>16258521>>16258526SuperDraco bros it's our time to shine.
>>16258929hell yeah
>>16258928We are going to strip mine the belt and earthers like you can stay malding
>>16258921>you can't tell me there aren't sick deposits of shit like rhodium or Iridium that sell for many times the price of gold and if you can't make THAT profitable then asteroid mining is never going to be profitableCorrect, it won't be profitable. Compare the cost of everything you just said to just digging a big hole in the ground.
>>16258928Okay, anon. Why in the fuck would it not work?
>>16258934Yeah, 300 years from now. Anon was talking about actual startups not the premise of an Issac Arthur video
>>16258935Oh, so apparently coming back with 3500 metric tons of copper in one go is somehow less profitable than the entire yearly copper production? If we're doing asteroid mining, we're likely going to be doing it on a massive scale where these numbers are to be expected.>>16258937We're going to see space megastructures within our lifetime, anon. We also might see 300 years be the average human life expectancy but eh, details, details.
>>16258935Digging a big hole in the ground is really fucking expensive, having to move literal megatonnes of soil for paltry returns and then processing all that shit costs a lot of money. Plus all the legal, environmental and native land rights bullshit. Ongoing overheads in the form of fuel and electricity as well as maintenance of gigantic fucking equipment is also tremendous.
>>16258939I’m neither of those anons but the way someone else has explained it to me is that it could [emphasis on could] be profitable by a large margin if you did it en massebut the cost of getting it there by sheer force just isn’t realistic right now and won’t be for a long time. i.e. ANY amount of money you throw at “space mining” to try and turn a profit will just suck all your money dry before you ever see a fresh dollar.
>>16258950Despite all that it’s still cheaper to do it on Earth at production rates that aren’t even teetering on running out. Earth has everything we need, it’s kind of hard to believe
>>16258915By the same logic where is the testing that shows BYD or other Chinese automakers pass US safety standards.
the asteroid thing is impracticable at the moment, but it made me think of space buoys (pic related). a large asteroid will pass between the earth and the moon tomorrow but we only just noticed it [1]. maybe its time that governments start contracting out the development of space buoys which can be attached to asteroids, acting as navigation beacons, warnings, and scientific instruments. and once its time to start mining asteroids or visiting them or whatever, it'll be easier to find them because they'll already have a beacon pinging their location.[1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/asteroid-2024mk-1.7247336
>>16258950The rising cost of refined material will overcome any regulatory red tape well before launching a mining colony to Ceres becomes the cheapest available option, to say nothing of the overhead of running that place. Think of all the upkeep costs you'd have for a comparable operation on Earth and then add in the need to maintain a completely closed life support system.
>>16258962Why would humans have to get involved with the mining side of things? Refining, I get, but the mining operation could be done entirely autonomously once an asteroid is picked out.
>>16258962We are talking about autonomously exploiting rich deposits of high value materials at small scales, not sending dudes to Ceres to mine copper with pickaxes.
Clear UpdateClear visited Mitsubishi Electric's Kamakura Works which primarily works on building satellites and satellite components. At the plant Clear interviews several engineers there. Video will go up on the 30th.https://twitter.com/ME_JP_official/status/1806631238431920545Go Clear! Can't wait to watch it.
>>16258967>a vtumor is visiting a real world placehow does that work
>>16258965>>16258966"It'll all be done by fully autonomous robots!" is no different from saying "A wizard will do it with magic!"
>>16258957>production rates that aren’t even teetering on running out.It's actually a becoming a big problem in the mining industry. For a lot of metals the discovery rate of new deposits is going down, the discovered deposits are of smaller scale and increasingly lower quality. Lower quality deposits cost more to extract and that is compounded by the rising cost of energy. Turns out we live in a world of limited resources, it's kind of hard to believe.
>>16258971Yup /sfg/ always hand waves shit kek.We could be autonomously mining a planet as we speak, that planet is Earth. Yet we’re not. Curious.
>>16258973In two months they will find a huge deposit under North American soil and it will be a non-issue.It keeps happening.
>>16258971What part about the suggestion is magic? A machine that grabs onto an asteroid and drills out core samples to load into a dispenser mechanism? This isn't exactly some self replicating Von Neumann machine.>>16258975Mining operations are getting more and more automated by the day, also go back with your shitty reddit speak.>>16258979>It keeps happeningIt actually doesn't keep happening, that's the problem.
>>16258958You can't claim chink EVs don't pass standards when you don't have data to back it up. Burden of proof and all that.It's the same excuse for the Kei car bans. They claim safety but in reality it's salty truck dealers lobbying the local governments. You otherwise allow motorcycles and ancient shitboxes of the same vintage and relative safety.
>>16258960looks like nasa is interested in something similar but for the moon, but otherwise a quick google search didnt turn up any similar resultshttps://science.nasa.gov/science-research/science-enabling-technology/technology-highlights/space-age-buoys-for-long-duration-monitoring-of-the-moon/
>>16258981Guess how good we are at off-world drilling right now. Seriously take a guess.
>>16258985>Guess how good we are at automously landing orbital class reusable rocket boosters right now. Seriously take a guessYour comment circa 2010
>>16258971 >>16258975Part of the issue is that robotics hasn't evolved enough to properly traverse Earth's rough terrain.It's a lot easier to traverse through space, dipshits. We've been doing that autonomously for years. We even did that for the asteroid return mission.>>16258985Well considering our first attempt went well, I'd say we're FANTASTIC at it! Realistically though, we won't know until we put it into larger scale.
>>16258987Actually a good point but quit reddit spacing everything
>>16258983>thing not manufactured to meet American safety standards does not meet American safety standards>fucking magnets how do they work?Start by educating yourself what American auto safety standards are.
/sfg/ does not understand business. we have this discussion every week>>16258936I'm not even sure where to start. You'd need to invent like four things to even do a survey and your minimum launch cost to get out there would be like $90 million. You want your vehicles to go far and do a lot so weight would be a limiting factor on vehicles per launch. Anon was asking about a startup and you said >just spend hundreds of millions of dollars to do something with no immediate return for anyone involvedYou basically described a NASA mission. >>16258939>3500 metric tons of copper in one go is somehow less profitable than the entire yearly copper productionProfit is what's left when you subtract expenditure from revenue. If expenditure is higher than revenue then you lose money. 3500 metric tons of copper is half the cost of a falcon 9 launch lmao>space megastructures within our lifetimeDon't get me wrong, I sincerely wish your optimism wasn't completely uninformed>>16258950>digging a hole is more expensive than asteroid miningDummy>>16258962Costs would need to rise something like 1000x to 10000x to justify it, in which case digging a deeper hole will be economically feasible first. It's just not happening man>>16258971kek
>>16258990>>thing not manufactured to meet American safety standards does not meet American safety standardsWhere is the data they don't? You can't claim something doesn't meet a standard without evaluating and gathering data.Why is the data a hard ask?>what American auto safety standards are.A low bar
>>16258993Hundreds of millions is startup size these days if you can con some VC rubes
>>16258996The only way to make money from asteroid mining this century is by tricking investors who know just as much as >>16258921
>>16259000The only way to make money from a planet spanning network of tens of thousands of satellites providing high speed internet to every corner of the globe this century is by tricking investors who know just as much as >>16259000
>>16258993>You'd need to invent like four things to even do a surveyN-no? NASA already has everything required to do a survey. For god's sake, the Psyche mission launched from a Falcon Heavy, and they apparently knew the metals BEFORE they even launched the vehicle. We just need to take the sensors and find ways to make it cheaper, which sounds like a dream come true with basically any start up in existence ever. After all, what's the point of a start up if you're not somehow offering something unique that your competitors cannot offer? What's the easiest way to get a leg up?>You basically described a NASA missionI also described practically every Silicon Valley tech startup.>3500 metric tons of copperOkay my original point was actually gold(which is why I ended up with an oddly specific number that seemingly matched the total tonnage of gold produced year over year,) but I decided copper was more valuable when it came to reducing costs. That's my bad for not adjusting the values accordingly.
>>16259008you have such a romanticized view of industry and businesses hahah
>>16259013Ad hominem
>>16259013>every Silicon Valley tech startup is a literal capitol investment scam with the mass majority of them never making more than a couple dollars of profit>you have such a romanticized view of industry and businessesI feel like I'm more jaded than anything. It's why I'm being as optimistic as I can be with the megastructures statement.
>>16259018I should have clarified I was nta heh
>>16259007That's a completely separate business you stupid faggot, that's like saying filtering gold from seawater is profitable because undersea cables exist.
>>16259025No it's a straight comparison in how cheap launch costs turns near impossibilities to the mundane.
>noooooooo potentially profitable thing is hard and needs lots of engineering work done before I can even conceive of it being possibleWHERE DO YOU THINK YOU ARE, FUCKING KILL YOURSELF
>>16258967i'm gonna laugh my ass off if it ends up being the anime girl equivalent of estronaut where all she says is EHHHH, MAJI DE?!! SUGOI!
>>16259008>Okay my original point was actually goldAlright, so you need to fly out there somehow, either mine and process on site and send the processed gold to LEO or just move the entire asteroid to LEO, and then safely bring it down to the surface. You need to do that for 3500 metric tons and not spend more than ~$55 billion per ton. That's a fantasy.>>16259029>near impossibilitiesCommunications satellites are among the only things in space that turn a profit, building a bunch of small ones is not enough of a leap to justify the feasibility of asteroid mining. >>16259034>potentially profitable>needs lots of engineering work doneThis is economics. It will never be more profitable than just digging a hole in the ground. If the price of the commodity goes up, then digging a deeper hole will still be cheaper than asteroid mining. Starship will make trips up and down from LEO absurdly cheap and it still won't make sense.
>>16259045$55 million*
>>16258559Startups can benefit immediately through a herd defense. Just start building shit with zero regard for federal regulations. If enough people do it the court system will get too backlogged to get to any of these cases for years. The illegal alien issue has shown that courts have no remedy for a backlog other than issuing court dates years out and hoping the problem resolves itself before then. Once a build is completed it can't be retroactively deleted by regulation.
it's not that easy in rocketry
>>16258994lets see those studies of Chinese cars passing "strict Euro safety standards" my wumao friend
>>16258967I love her body and spirit
>>16258900Vibe
Guys i'm dying, i have 38 degree fever, a sore troath and a massive headache. If i dont survive this, let it be know that i hate all you fucking summerfags so much.
We don't have a commercially available space mining vehicle. Asteroid Mosquito may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. Bagger 288 is real. You've seen it down at Garzweiler. We're building the main structure. We have all the buckets done, ready to be put on the test stand at Rheinmetall... I don't see any hardware for an Asteroid Mosquito, except that he's going to take a core drill, some solar panels and a coilgun and put them together and that becomes the Mosquito. It's not that easy in space mining.
>>16258353this is a non issue
>>16259071Only six degrees above freezing?!
>>16259071we use the units of countries that can into spaceflight in this thread
>>16259079>>16259082Nobody tell them.
>>16259083Ngl I’m kind of ready for this rocket to go away it’s getting boring
Don't ask questions, just consume rocket and get excited for next rocket
https://x.com/AdrianDittmann/status/1806656690496086321Musk's birthday
>>16258171Why did the Soviet moon landing hinge entirely on getting the N-1 to work? I don't get it, just because the Apollo program planners decided that a single launch on a super-heavy was the way they'd do it why couldn't anybody else who wanted to land a man on the moon in the 60s who didn't have a Saturn 5 equivalent just launch the crew capsule and the lunar lander separately on two (or more if you want) medium lift rockets and rendezvous in orbit and go from there? It doesn't seem to me that a moon landing was ever dependent on a super-heavy lift rocket being developed like the Soviets (and even the US) acted like it was. And if you say because the Soviets couldn't do orbital rendezvous/build in orbit then what about all the space stations they built? How many launches did those take?
>>16259094They wanted to do everything automatically, so an orbital rendezvous of soyuz was off the table.
>>16259093bro said happy birthday to himself
>>16259094lmao holy fuck, is this SDXL
>>16259094Because the space race was an arms race, that's why.What's the point of going if you can't also have the largest greatest most powerful rocket ever, or at least a direct competitor. Think of it this way, you don't need a Tsar Bomba sized nuke to level a city, and yet..
>>16259094You'd need at least seven Soyuz launches to pull off a lunar fly-by. Soviet computer systems in the early 1960s were simply not up to the task of handing that many automated dockings. The goal was also to land on the moon and I haven't ever seen it clearly shown that the Soyuz-ABV could have pulled off more than just a lunar flyby.
>>16259075There's no sugar coating this.....
>>16259094>>16259113Wouldn't they run into the same problem that Artemis has where they need to launch multiple rockets within a short time frame before the transfer stage fuel boils off?
>>16259109DESU I think the Soviets just used the N-1 blowing up as an excuse to not even try, I think they knew that N-1 or not if they tried they probably would have ended up with some dead cosmonaut on the moon and egg all over their faces. Too bad, if they had and succeeded there might have been a "moon base race" and there might have been people living (or at least "personnel stationed") on the moon for the last 50 years now.
>>16259127DESU instead of the t b h I wrote, sometimes this place really makes me shake my head.
>>16259129I just blew shit all over my bed
>>16259118Please do not compare the SLS to the N-1, we're begging you.t. NASA
>>16259118Soyuz probably could have managed a fast enough cadence once it hit its stride in the late 60s, but all of these early 60s designs were pure hypergols so boil off wasn't an issue. Most of the Soviet's work with cryogenic space tugs wouldn't come until a lot later when they were adapting the N-1's Blok-D stage to other jobs. >>16259113That said, there was an even earlier plan called Sever that did away with the automated docking and fuel transfer idea from the early Soyuz and had a stripped down Vostock capsule manually docking small booster stages together in LEO. Once five of those had been assembled into a chain a larger spacecraft (5K "Sever") would then get docked to the train and light each of the boosters in sequence to push it onto a translunar trajectory. Sever was a competing design to the 7K Soyuz that hadn't moved all of its non-essential gear into a separate orbital module. Again, it's uncertain if this could do more than just a lunar flyby, but it might have been easier to scale by upgrading the booster segments or just stacking more of them.
>>16259135what in the world is that abomination
>>16259058Chinese cars are sold in the EU right now, and everyone with a brain knows that the EU has stricter standards than the US
>>16259144A lunar mission idea from 1961 that would have been built using an Soyuz rocket that could only lift 6500 kg at a time
Who else is really psyched for this mission? I fully expect it to be the best human spaceflight kino since shuttle retired.
>>16259150Much higher than Gemini, so yeah
>>16259045>BillionNo it's not, that's totally->millionOh okay yeah.This is of course assuming you're doing EVERYTHING on Earth. In the near future, we're probably going to try to create off-Earth manufacturing centers, and the most important of which is propellant manufacturing. If you can get tons of propellant into an orbital refuel depot for cheap, then it completely offsets the costs. I ran the numbers on a dV map, and going from Cerus to Earth LEO is only 400 m/s more than going from ground to Earth LEO.Coincidentally, we actually have the PERFECT spot to manufacture more propellant, in the form of Mars. Methane and hydrogen production are completely feasible, and the gravity is much lower, meaning far less dV is required to lift off. Also coincidentally, Mars is really, REALLY close to the asteroid belt. Using Cerus as our example mining platform, we can get away with only having 7290~ dV on the transportation vehicle itself(not accounting for shifting weight and all of that,) saving us over 2000 dV compared to a direct Earth->Cerus transport.It's totally feasible, though obviously it'll take a lot of time to prepare for all of this. And also, this wasn't the startup's intention anyways, the proposed startup was to have simple probes that could probably be propelled through solar sails if time wasn't a concern, to survey the asteroid belts.
https://x.com/astroferg/status/1806537933442134448
>>16259150I look forward to seeing regular dudes go on EVA, that'll be neat.
>>16259162
>>16259160NTA, but you seem extremely deluded.There isn't an economic basis for this stuff, local production outcompetes interplanetary trade in all but the most extreme cases.
>>16259170Uh-huh.Extreme cases. Like megastructures... Or orbital building in general... No matter how you slice it, 9k dV is 9k dV.Also, I know I only took one economics class so I do have some gaps, but I fail to see how this would be ANY different to the modern global goods transportation. It's just an even larger scaled version of that.
>>16259160I'm who you replied to and I actually expect asteroid mining to be feasible from a fully industrialized Mars. The sort of vehicle you could launch to the belt or the trojans with something like the reusable superheavy first stage would bring costs down to something reasonable. We're talking about centuries from now though. That's so far off that surveying remains in the realm of governments. There's no money in any aspect of it right now.
>>16259172To be fair, an minimally industrialized Mars could probably benefit immensely with it too. It'd be pretty easy to just (precisely) lob hunks of material into a barren side of the planet in such a way that it doesn't cause a century-long sandstorm.I wonder if you were thinking I was going to try to land the transportation vehicle because I wasn't ever considering that this was a possibility until just this moment. It makes no sense to me to give up the vacuum of space, where your vacuum-optimized engines would be way more efficient than anything required to escape Earth's gravity, just so you can land a bulky transportation vehicle.
>>16259173I'm skeptical. Small asteroids wouldn't be worth the trouble and large asteroids aren't possible to move. We're talking so far in the future it isn't relevant to this general
>>16259171>megastructuresNo one has ever said that asteroid mining wouldn't close its case for building Zeon. The problem is that no one is even thinking about building Zeon for a very, very long time.
>x thing won't happen for centuries Incredible midwittery. Even one century ago most people were still riding around on fucking horses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0ofmSePqRMA Falcon 9 is launching an NRO payload out of Vandenberg in ~25 min.
>>16259175>small asteroids wouldn't be worth the troubleAhem...Phobos.Alright, but seriously. I'll take the hint and just stop. I don't think it'll be centuries like you think though. I think it's closer to decades after the first humans reach Mars.
>>16259180Technically they still are... Anyways, it's only about 20 years before horses get obsoleted(1945) and you'll have to be a bit more specific about it. Or just say that most people couldn't afford air travel, one of the two.
>>16259171By extreme cases I meant those goods with the highest value/mass. That's luxury goods basically. The economic basis for orbital megastructures isn't good without already established interplanetary trade, since they're entirely dependent on resources from elsewhere. You'd be better of establishing colonies on spinning asteroids and trying to set up isru there so they can support themselves to some extent, even that's sketchy.>>16259180>>16259183see picrel, now compare to current cost to orbit which is ~$1500 per kg. Note that landlocked countries trade much less than countries with costs: switzerland specializes in luxury goods because of this. The impact of transport costs is huge: for interplanetary trade you need what you might call 'sci-fi' technology.
>>16259164>>16259162starship twilight effect is gonna be INSANE
>>16259187*You'd be better off*trade much less than countries with coasts:
>>16259180Any advancements that apply to asteroid mining will also apply to ground mining. There is no path near term that would make asteroid mining feasible. There is no engineering problem here, it's just economics. See >>16259187. Transport costs go up 150,000%.
>>16259187>cost to orbitIf you're reusing the same vessel to transport things and just throw heat shielded cargo pods or something other easy, aero-braked method at Earth that doesn't dispose of your space-faring transport vessel, your cost to orbit goes down dramatically.Likewise, with an orbital propellant depot at Mars, your cost goes down dramatically, as it is 1/3rd the dV and you need 1/3rd the TWR to get the same propellant to a depot.I guess you could consider things that have been planned for literal decades at this point "science-fiction" but I disagree.Anyways, I did promise to end it, so I'll end it here.
>>16259182shut up we're debating science fiction
>>16259194>dV>TWRYou need to stop using metrics besides dollars.
Clear Live for NROL-186 Missionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLzby57f76Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLzby57f76Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLzby57f76U
>>16259182https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1vAxRvDPwBrxlTwitter stream is up
>>16259187With solar powered mass drivers, the cost of space transit anywhere in flatspace is essentially 0 outside of the upfront construction cost. Mass drivers are not at all "science fiction". Getting goods down a gravity well with an atmosphere is also super cheap.
>>16259201then stop shitting up /sfg/ and go for it.
>>16259198>the cost is very clearly a logistics problem and not a result of any hard limiting factors>discuss the logistics problem and solutions>you need to stop using metrics besides dollars
it's up
>>16259206it's a 'friction of transport' problem.We need to reduce the cost to transport to orbit in the region of x1000 to make interplanetary trade feasible, this is all that matters.
>>16259210>We need to reduce the cost to transport to orbit in the region of x1000Just scale the rockets larger. Obviously.
>>16259204Honestly, I would if I was wealthy enough.I'm working on the wealth problem but I probably won't be wealthy enough before someone else manages to solve the whole thing.
/sfg/ still doesn't understand economics. fuck you guys I'm watching the spy say launch
lunch
>>16259215why would the spy say that?
Max-Qute!
That stage sep looked kind of tilted
my baka wife clear lost the stream
>>16259200What's with all the debris? I haven't seen that much on earlier streams.
>>16259215Sad, small soulled E*rther mindset. YWNGTS
he's done it again x326
>>16259227There isn't anything wrong with his argument, you're just coping.
>>16259129>DESU instead of the t b h I wroteHow nu r u?
felon's company can't keep getting away with itreusability was supposed to be a science fiction meme
>>16259222they usually dog-leg for Vandy launches
>>16259234it's ok, we can currently mald about husk getting a billion dollars to blow up ISS!how could he con nasa into letting him destroy a piece of history?! the man is a menace
>>16259238jokes on NASA. His master plan is to boost it into a parking orbit and then claim it as his own. Will then add a centrifuge (maybe the one Japan mothballed) and start doing real long-term Mars occupation studies.
When is NASA going to announce commercial cargo and commercial crew contracts for Artemis Gateway?
>>16259245first falcon launch from hell
>>16259248spacex already got it for dragon xl
>>16259245fuck, I thought those were cool shock cones until I squinted hard. Fucking vtumor.
>>16259255yeah I know spaceX will be #1, but I wanted to see some other companies try to make lunar transit stuff
made some webms while listening to Clear
https://images.nasa.gov/details/KSC-20240625-MH-AJN01-0001-GOES_U_Isolated_Launch_and_Landing_Views-M7629.mov
man imagine if this was centered and focused
>>16259243It would unironically be cheaper to trash the thing and start over
>>16259283It's too bad SpaceX will never break even on this doomed rocket.
>>16259037It's a scripted japanese event. Of course it'll be the most vapid shit you've ever seen with nothing risky or confrontational.
nucelar quadrad incoming
Its been almost 2 weeks since any Vast news. And a month since any hardware news. Im being starved of Vast newe bros... please Max if youre reading this post some more stuff about whats going on over there.
>>16259259RFA is making Argo for "lunar logistics services"https://www.rfa.space/argo/And I'm pretty sure JAXA is also developing a lunar version of their HTV cargo vehicle
>>16258741Northrop stays in their lane and quietly works on black money skunkworks projects for DARPA
Wow that's just insane
>>16259377that's crazy
We need to replace Biden. Who is the best Democratic alternative for spaceflight?
>>16259377
>>16259388None of them, they're fucking statists.We need to elect Jaiver Milei.
>>16259388Why dont we elect Elon musk?
>>16259395Not born in American
>>16259388maybe some sort of China basherrealistically, they are all awful
>>16258419This is gonna be so Epic.I'm gonna have to prepare spare pants for this one.
>>16259392More like Jewvier Milei
>>16257968We need to hire the Germans to build us a real reusable rocket. Ariane is too expensive.
>>16259492What about that secret german project in darkest africa that was like 1000 pencil-thin boosters lashed together?
There are virtually no improvements that can be made to the tunnel boring machine. They have essentially reached perfection.
>>16259493https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfBcCLSQP-c
>>16259491
>>16259529Who's this fag? He looks like a Jesuit (catholic jew)
>>16259527From a future Mars textbook:>Having evolved geodynamic efficiency, boring machines evolved no further. Boring machines are an evolutionary dead end.
>>16259527there are plenty, some of the low hanging ones that the boring company is going for are1) Porpoising (start and end above ground so you eliminate the dig a hole) and lower the TBM into it)2) Zero people in tunnel (ZPT), eliminates the need for safety etc stuff for people in the tunnel and mostly automates the machine except a remote control center (for example in a container next to the starting location)the boring company is also iterating on the boring machine itself, they just tested iteration 3 but iteration 4 is already mostly done I think and iteration 5 is being builtthere is bound to be a bunch of optimizations that rapid iteration will uncover
>>16259530I find it funny that he literally met with the Pope randomly that one time. Like for what purpose?
>>16259546Are those the Pope's grandkids on the right?
>>16259546
>>16259547>the Pope's grandkidsAnon, think about what you just posted.
>>16259549No.
>>16259546>>16259547Shit those kids look a lot like Elon.You know what that means right...I can't believe the Pope fucked Elon's wife
>>16259554which wife? which concubine?
i can't believe elon fucked the pope
>>16259546Musk heard “ban the latin mass” and mistakenly thought it had something to do with saving weight on starship
>>16259557Gwynne Shotwell
>>16257951>Bidenonly funding for meme IFLS bullshit like astronomy>Trump (or really any other republican desu)Funding for BMD aka BRILLIANT FUCKING PEBBLES HELL YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH BOYS
>>16259546why does that one dude have long hair? Is this the one that went troon mode?
>>16259388Tulsi Gabbard. She's still calling herself a democrat, right?
can you mutts shut the fuck up
>>16259464>>maybe some sort of China basherNone better in Washington than Nancy Pelosi, but unfortunately she doesn't support BMD.
>>16259571unfortunately mutts are incapable of shutting up about their second most popular religion.
>>16259571In the last 24 hours we got confirmation that the best space president in decades is coming back and the supreme court decided the three letter orgs can't make laws anymore. There will be more money and motivation and less regulation. This is so unbelievably good for space flight I can't believe it.
>>16259577>>16259579like poetry
>>16259581kek
>>16259581It's relevant you retard. What is there to talk about in Europe? Your unelected officials decided not to develop a modern rocket and not let you use any other launch vehicles? No one was calling that off topic the other day
>>16259593You have a monoparty with a bit of political hat changing theatre for the masses to lap up. Nothing significant is going to change for space regardless of who who gets elected.Case in point: biden changed almost nothing about artemis when he came in.
>>16259571Anon, its euro hours
>>16259585uhh I thought rockets could only fly in space. this rocket is clearly at cloud level
>>16259600Yeah, for Israel or something, sure. You'd need to be completely unfamiliar with recent US space policy to think it applies there though.
israel mentioned
>>16259604it’s a spaceplane sweaty it doesn’t have limits unlike inferior crafts such as starship
>>16259606Here's what's going to happen1. Artemis will continue2. it will be delayed3. congress will be pulled at by oldspace contractors to cancel and restart with something 'more sensible', and pushed on by NASA to provide more funding for Artemis.4. SpaceX will continue to rise in profile while Bezos continues to sue.Who gets to sit in the big chair and put his signature on paper given to him has absolutely 0 impact on any of this.
>>16258393>hydrolox, something that is still dark magic for Russia.Not sure about their capability to build them currently but they used to have the best hydrolox engines in the world. RD-0120, RD-57, RD-0146, RD-701 etc
>>16259612the admin being pro-Musk instead of anti-Musk will have an impact
since we're already talking about politics may I draw everyone's attention to what's happening here in the Balkans
>>16259622What? More balkoids chimping out?
>>16259620Even if Trump was pro-Musk (he isn't, in fact he has publicly insulted him on truth social) it would have zero impact.
>>16259622is it relevant to spaceflight?
>>16259612Beyond being a jobs program Artemis is basically an ego project. Trump being in charge will impact that kek. Also the recent supreme court ruling will decrease the impact of sue origin.
>>16259627wrong, Trump is opportunist but sees the benefits of working with Muskin the very least the lawfare against Musk would stop, in the best case Musk might influence Trump and the republicans in general to prioritize certain legislation, removing hindering legislation and so onit might have a very large impact in fact
>>16259561"But I'm not launching the Mexican welders to space yet?"
so what if Trump is convicted even more times? He gonna go to jail?
>>16259630>Trump is [Wishful thinking caused by parasocial relationship]It needs to be said again: politics is a major mutt religion that otherwise fails at representative democracy. The fact that you have had an almost corpse president for four years should tell you that this stuff does not matter.The supreme court will continue what it does regardless of president. The lawfare against Musk will continue.
POLITICS NIGGERS OUT>>>/pol/>>>/pol/>>>/pol/
>>16259640I don't care about Trump but you clearly have TDSlmaothe lawfare isn't coming from the supreme court you fucking retard
>>16259640So how come the president of the US can be so senile? Wouldn't it make more sense for the party to suggest someone younger who would then have a greater chance of winning the election?
reminder to only post spaceflight in the new thread which we will make at page 10
>>16259644Reading comprehension you absolute pillock.
>>16259651nta but I have good reading comprehension
>>16259549Who was Cesare Borgia and how many children did he have?
>>16259647That would upset the status quo. His wife would push against it, so would all the others the current arrangement benefits.Basic institutional inertia.
>>16259655so why don't the people just vote someone else in.
China has successfully tested a reusable rockethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FobpGG31qEwAs a European, I despair. Arianespace is committed to their too-expensive, non-reusable Ariane 6.
>>16259656Because there are more than 300 million people in the US.
>>16259657>As a Europeanprove you're one of us
>>16259644I don't care either, I just hate hearing about american politics when It doesn't actually matter (it really doesn't). Serious american policy isn't dictated by elected officials, it's formulated by lobbyists and unelected government employees at all levels.If you read a history of, say, Comcargo for example, it becomes clear that the government alternates between being a puppet of private interests and a vehicle for agency employees to pursue various aims and jockey for power: elected officials simply exist to take bribes.
>>16259392Based.
>>16259656We are about to.
>>16259546Cause the pope believes Elon is doing the right thing and the good thing. Pope has recently come out against the gender ideology nonsense
>>16259662that is true to a degree but how did it get that way in the first place? this isn't like some force of nature, its people doing thingsand the president does have powerthis chevron decision will lessen the power of the administrative state for instance, so perhaps shifting the power more towards lobbyists again but if retarded laws can be eliminated then then the unelected government employees will have less leeway to do retarded thingsbetter to have the laws come from lobbyists (which are ultimately affected by markets through capital/money and thus how good an agent in the market is able to use that capital) than unelected bureaucrats that are much more difficult to get rid of and much more opaque
>>16259659I have access to the clean tap water.
>>16259657Yeah but at least you guys have RFA, russia doesn't have any private spaceflight industry.
>>16259671>>16259662basically, do you want communist party apparatchiks running the country or capitalistsI think the incentive structure and results in the first case are much more negative for the general population than the second case
>>16259672I love sipping my clean mountain water. American tap water runs brown
>>16259668>No don't vote for that senile old man, vote for my senile old manThe absolute state of US politics.
about the arms catching thing I see people all over various forums losing hope. They will resort to using landing legs and that's a good thing.
>>16259678It's what happened with the spin separation thing, maybe they'll try catching the booster a few more times than once but I reckon there's a 50% chance they'll end up doing it a different way.
we went from concrete to showerhead to flametrench
>>16259684the concrete wasn't supposed to be a permanent solution
>>16259688>you don't get it, the acoustic environment was supposed to suck
>>16259657> Arianespace is committed to their too-expensive, non-reusable AriaThey have shifted towards reusability, but Europeans being european they don't have the money or will to deliver before the rest of the world surpasses them.
>>16259678No reason it can't workFalcon landings are otherwise accurate enough for chopsticks, it only lands where it lands on the droneship because they lack the control authority and deep throttle to hover and fine tune it's position.It's more the risk if anything. Booster is doing a suicide burn from 1000km/h+ and MUST avoid the tower
https://x.com/Vooper3D/status/1806807195910091191/photo/1
>>16259579>the best space president in decadesthere's no conceivable way spacex could have survived if dubya hadn't been president and mike griffin hadn't been nasa administrator. it pains me to say anything positive about the guy but i'm not sure there's an argument for putting anyone in the past 55 years ahead of him.
>>16259702why geeorge w bush
https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/H3 launch coming, should be the second successful one (third if you count the maiden flight but the second stage didn't work)
>>16259706no COTS, no f9, no dragon, no starship, no nothing.
>>16259659I live in the most European country of all, the UKWe're still part of the ESA (pic related), just like other non-EU countries such as Switzerland and Norway
https://x.com/AschbacherJosef/status/1806932966276305391COPE
>>16259313Argo's probably dead without the ISS contract though
https://spacenews.com/spacex-launches-nros-second-batch-of-small-satellites/>NROL-186 was the second batch of satellites of a new imaging satellite constellation built by SpaceX and Northrop Grumman. The number of satellites was not disclosed.
>>16259711Why aren't they launching a slab of concrete? Or some cubesats?
>>16258353kiwi bros... we win!
>>16259714ESA has been talking with Vast I think (might have been axiom or gravitivs, not sure), but I'm pretty sure ESA knew the ISS wouldn't be around foreverthey might rent or buy a station alongside NASA
>>16259711they know that now all the media coverage of the first A6 launch is going to bring up that even europe doesn't want to launch its own sats on the thing. they're mad about the timing of the announcement more than the announcement itself.
>>16259711>it's difficult to understandNo it isn't.
>>16259710I am more and more prone to regarding uk as not part of europe/ UK is more like america despite its proximity to europe
>>16259723lmfao
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/nasa-orders-more-tests-on-starliner-but-says-crew-isnt-stranded-in-space/>Two NASA astronauts, commander Butch Wilmore and pilot Suni Williams, will spend at least a few more weeks on the space station as engineers on the ground conduct thruster tests to better understand issues with the Starliner propulsion system in orbit. Wilmore and Williams launched June 5 aboard an Atlas V rocket and docked at the station the next day, completing the first segment of Starliner's first test flight with astronauts.>Batteries on this Starliner spacecraft were initially only certified for a 45-day mission duration, but NASA officials said they are looking at extending the limit after confirming the batteries are functioning well.>“I want to make it very clear that Butch and Suni are not stranded in space," Stich said. "Our plan is to continue to return them on Starliner and return them home at the right time. We have a little bit more work to do to get there for the final return, but they're safe on (the) space station."
>>16259717kek. when that happened i thought i could meme on him by saying that first stages rarely get attacked by flying i-bars. i was wrong. beck-sama, i kneel.
>>16259726> Boeing's Starliner spacecraft encountered similar thruster issues on an unpiloted test flight in 2022, and engineers thought software corrections would resolve the problem. "We clearly missed something," Stich said. "We clearly have an integrated effect between how we’re executing the rendezvous profile and how we’re using the thrusters, so I think we learned something there.”lol
>>16259662They literally just changed the decision that let unelected officials create laws for the last 40 years. Either read these posts or ignore them
>>16259729>We clearly have an integrated effect between how we’re executing the rendezvous profile and how we’re using the thrusterwell he certainly said some words there, didn't he
>>16259627Musk said some where that trump actually calls him every now and then
>>16259717We should have listened...>>16259718Yeah, ESA's talking to Vast and Starlab has European partners, so they'll probably have options after the ISS. I'm just thinking that with ESA picking Thales Alenia and Exploration Co. instead of RFA for ISS servicing, RFA doesn't have much incentive to continue with Argo. They could wait for the replacement stations or the Gateway, or hope Exploration Co. folds, but it's an uphill battle now.
stairs
>>16259736then why doesnt trump go on twitter
>>16259740Made his own, so he can't back down now
>>16259735they haven't tested the system end-to-end, just run parts of itand these problems are problems that only showed up after running an integrated test all the way from start to finish, i.e. not just firing a thruster on the test stand or running the software on a computer
>>16259726The more clear they have to state that they AREN'T STRANDED IN SPACE, the more positive I become that they in fact are.
>>16259740there is some contract with truth social about exclusivity or whatever
now that the two astronauts are effectively stranded in space how long before SpaceX can launch a rescue mission?
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1806915216460111975
>>16259726Doesn’t it have a 45 day cap or something? The capsule itself I mean
>>16259751why rescue them? they made the bad lifechoice of being space jannies in a timeline where boeing exists, their problem.
>>16259755we'll just recertify it for 90 too, no worries
>>16259729>>16259735I actually think I can translate this lol:A while ago, someone (maybe the very same man?) said that the thruster shut down issues seemed to be related to high chamber pressure temps that kept forcing the computer to shutdown everything. So in other words:“We had thruster control issues on the first demo flight. We thought a software update could fix it. Turns out it’s looking like it’s a hardware issue and in this case we were trying to dock but the docking burns themselves kept making it worse for the thrusters to stay online”
>>16259627>(he isn't, in fact he has publicly insulted him on truth social)Nigger he does that to everyone. If he insults you that means he likes you. Notice how he walked away from Biden with absolute disdain at the end of the debate yesterday.
Imagine reentering with the ISS. What module could you shelter in that'd give you the best odds of making it through? Assuming you've got a chute handy to bail out before you hit the ground.
>>16259768whatever's furthest back in the airstream at entry interface, probably
Morning friendsClear is currently picking locations for a microsat to image and is also taking location suggestions.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNblWt2NMZ0https://starsphere.sony.com/ja/
>>16259768The starship
>>16259755Take off your engineer hat
>>16259772do you understand this bizarre language
>>16256099>>16256099Just continue to this thread
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>>16258960I don't think there's any difficulty in tracking asteroids in known trajectories. You would definitely need to know the trajectory of an asteroid to land on it.
>>16258981The magic is skipping the hard work and risk involved in actually doing it and proclaiming it done because it's not physically impossible.By a similar argument, it is not physically impossible that I impregnated your mother, and therefore I am your father. You can't imagine how much of a disappointment you are to your mother and I.
>16259791kys
>>16259755i want to know what it CAN do, not what it was designed to do gentelmen!
>>16259791>>16259798Uh oh, this is starting to look like a Challenger style issue
>>16259755Boeing decided it could last longer.
>>16259862just ignore birth defect threads and those who shill them
hullo is so passive-aggressively buttmad over chevron lol
>>16259953>spend retarded amounts of time and money to get a pilots license>get butt mad that any retard can now take to the skies effectively consequence freeThose who have invested effort in navigating the admin state are of course going to be ass mad when it's made null.It's glorious of course, no more good goy badges of honor
