Space travel causes global warming edition previous >>16274623
>Eoin HigginsHm, let's take a closer look at 'ol Eoin here, lessee>Matt Taibbi used to take on the rich and powerful, but today, his reporting is crafted to please grievance-addicted American conservatives. Glenn Greenwald, whose reporting on the Snowden leaks arguably changed the course of history, has similarly taken a hard right turn. Yet these political transformations of journalists formerly associated with the left did not happen in a vacuum. The new mouthpieces of the right are paid and disseminated by an emerging “alternative” media ecosystem, funded by a cohort of billionaires whose goal is to censor critics, so these new plutocrats can pursue their businesses—and personal vendettas—entirely unimpeded.Oh. Oh noooo hahahahaha nononono
Starliner status?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg
>>16276689Delayed Indefinitely
>>16276689Arrested. Executed.
>>16276689
>>16276674Solved problem: just use a space elevator. If only the material scientists could get their shit together.
Say something nice about the SLS. Congress demands it.
When are they going to land Starliner so they can cut it in half to find out what's going wrong?
>>16276704This is like a ceo hearing "You have the full support of the board" isn't it?
>>16276698> Starliner is designed for a mission of up to 210 daysTick tock.
>>16276689Stranded in space
>>16276698>problems preventing returnSo it sounds like they are stranded.
>>16276689Standing by
>>16276677Glenn takes particular offense at being called right-wing, insisting that it is the left who have lost the capacity for self-reflection. Greenwald actually left the Intercept over being used as a press outlet for the billionaire owner.
>>16276713Which means all those journalists who two weeks ago assured us they weren't stuck, are a bunch of stinky liars.>>16276715Clearly Eoin Higgins is not a reliable source of information or unbiased opinion.
> Mark Nappi, vice-president and program manager of Boeing’s commercial crew program, told reporters that he was confident the Starliner program would emerge stronger because of the issues. “All this information is going to go in a big bucket, and all the engineers are going to review it and try to see if it doesn’t point to root cause...,” he said.May we see this bucket?"No."
>>16276711I thought the max it was allowed to stay attached to the ISS was 40 something daysoldspace getting the oldspace treatment though
>>16276689delayed ten times
>>16276720Starliner batteries are rated for 45 days. Also they can't block that port forever, ISS needs supplies and crew rotation
>>16276704More like reformations. Let’s move it to the grave.
>>16276717>All this information is going to go in a big bucket, and all the engineers are going to review it The bucket in question
>>16276723> The Boeing Starliner’s stay in orbit is limited by the crew module’s battery capacity. While the spacecraft is rated for 210 days, NASA stated there would be a 45-day limit, enough time for engineers on the ground to test fixes before re-entry. Whoops!So, we're off the right side of the graph again.
>>16276726Why are they like this?
>>16276674Now here's the kicker:
>>16276726I'm glad I'm from a culture that has cutlery
https://x.com/ashleevance/status/1811187526830293288
>>16276733It's their culture, please understand.
SPEHS
Does SpaceX need to send some help over to Boeing? Starliner seems like its gonna limp back home
>>16276750>Starliner seems like its gonna limp back homeI see you are a hopeful optimist anon.
>>16276748>Stars and sun visible in the same shotthis is CGI
https://x.com/brkgkc16/status/1811135629784441163>Awesome and never seen footage of Saturn I SA-6 stage separation. It includes onboard cameras, tracking camera and kerosene tank camera.
>>16276760Those distance shots of the RL10s lighting are pure kino.
>>16276689We are checking.
>>16276763With next of kin?
>>16276750Which craft is this character representing
>>16276733First worlders don’t get it but rice and slop beats going hungry.
>>16276768The one that represents a bratty memelord
>>16276674global warming is fake tho
>>16276674>Space travel causes global warmingI don't care
So boca chica was destroyed by hiricane
>>16276760Absolutely insane. We owe so much to Von Braun, he sculpted masterpieces
>>16276814thats insane
>无论多难,航天取星将始终与中国商业航天风雨同舟,荣辱与共,路还很长,兄弟们一起加油>No matter how difficult it is, Astronautics will always be in the same boat with China's commercial aerospace, sharing honor and disgrace. The road is still very long. Let's cheer together, brothers.China may have just had it's second launch failure of the year with a i-Space Hyperbola-1 attempting a launch out of Jiuquan
>>16276816Space IS hard
>>16276816space is HARD
>>16276816>北京时间 2024 年 7 月 11 日 7 时 41 分,双曲线一号遥八运载火箭搭载 3 颗云遥一号气象卫星在酒泉卫星发射中心点火升空,火箭飞行过程中出现异常,飞行任务未能取得圆满成功。 >At 7:41 Beijing Time on July 11, 2024, the hyperbolic No. 1 remote Eight launch vehicle carrying three Yunyao No. 1 meteorological satellites ignited at the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center. Abnormalities occurred during the rocket flight, and the mission was not a complete success.This is unusually quick and open for a Chinese launch failure report, especailly for a launch that was running almost completely silent before T-0.
>>16276819>>16276821It's so hard it get you quoting poets when things go wrong>"空间很难。">Space is Difficult>天空没有留下超勝的痕迹,且我骄傲,我飞期过。---诗人 泰北尔>There is no trace of super victory left in the sky, and I am proud that I have flown.---Poet Taibei Er
>>16276674>disaster for emissions I just did the math, and even with SpaceX's insane rate of like three a week, they're producing ~1/1000th the emissions of global air.
>>16276825You didnt do the math.
>>16276823Bro, you got that transcribed wrongIt's 泰戈尔, a transliteration of Tagore.It's translation of the following:"I leave no trace of wings in the air, but I am glad I have had my flight."You got the Chinese in the poem wrong, too.
>>16276828I also didn't do the math but launching manufacturing 10 rockets and launching them a total of 140 times is better for the environment than manufacturing 20 rockets for 20 launches
>>16276829You're assuming that I know anything about Chinese beyond copying OCRed text into a translator. The best I can do is remove extraneous line breaks so the robot doesn't break its brain trying to translate two thirds of a sentence.
>>16276830Was I arguing against SpaceX you fucking mongrel? Do you not realize how fucking ridiculous it is to say that 150 F9 launches is 1/1000 of ALL EMISSIONS GLOBALLY???
Wasn't shartliner supposed to leave already?
>>16276814That wasn't Von Braun, that was the engineers working under him.
>>16276837Yeah like 6 years ago
>>16276837Starliner. Calling it "shartliner" just makes you look like a dumb kid.
>>16276825so what you're saying is that a tiny handful of people are producing a significant portion of all co2 emissions. and you're not one of those people and you're shilling for them like a massive cuckand you do it for free
>>16276841To be fair the tax thieves in boing and the mic deserve a lot worse than just mean words.
https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1811233872262107440Booster 12 undergoing live testing now
>>16276763regretti...
>>16276841Shart in mart
Roggids
>>16276741>/pol/'s whitest posters
>>16276841Boeing isn't going to fuck you
>>16276867gathering mars roggs :D
>>16276872Taxwise they will
>>16276677Eoin doesn't get paid for writing? And is completely blind to who owns the Washington Post, well, unless there's a "climate crisis" article to write about that billionaire owner's rockets. But the billionaire owning the primary newspaper for the nation's capital? Nah, not worth mentioning that guy's politics.
>>16276712>I've done far worse than kill you. I've hurt you, and I wish to go on hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her: marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead planet, buried alive. Buried alive!Marooned is a much more fun word for their situation.
>>16276814Too bad it was expendable.
>>16276736Best part no part
Kek>No comrade lets unfurl the flag first before we get zhang out the capsuleThey know he died already, chinese people are so pragmatic
What do boobs look like in 0G? I'd imagine it would be a pleasant sight.
>>16276704>congress is considering subsidies for sls to encourage commercial customers to use it instead of commercial rocketsthe corruption is mindnumbing
>chinese spaceflight is collapsing before our eyesTHIS. IS. WHY. YOU. TEST.
>>16276723rating expires =/= stops working
>>162769478 day mission =/= 36 day+ mission
>>16276816They have their own Astra. Cute.
>>16276947It does mean that as far as the government bureaucrats calling all the shots care. Nobody at NASA is about to say "screw the rule book, let 'er rip & we'll see what happens"or at least nobody except Linda Ham
>>16276841No it's definitely shartliner
>>16276960They did with the SLS boosters. Those things were "expired" for months at the time of launch and I don't remember seeing any recertification.
>>16276841I'm going go call it shartliner exclusively from now on, even changing quotes to reflect this
>>16277002i called it poopyliner stinky gay retard
>>16276841i call it snot boogerliner idiot poop butthead
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/07/shartliner-still-doesnt-have-a-return-date-as-nasa-tests-overheating-thrusters/>“This is a tough business that we’re in," Wilmore, Shartliner's commander, told reporters Wednesday in a news conference from the space station. "Human spaceflight is not easy in any regime, and there have been multiple issues with any spacecraft that’s ever been designed, and that’s the nature of what we do.”
>>16277032
https://payloadspace.com/habitable-worlds-observatory-and-the-future-of-space-telescopes-in-the-era-of-heavy-lift-launch/>Lee Feinberg, a NASA HWO lead and principal architect, told Payload he and his team are in communication with representatives from all three super heavy-lift launchers, having recently visited SpaceX to track Starship’s progress. “We are really rooting for big launchers. That is really, really important for us,” he said.
>>16276703No need for magic materials. Just like build ORS my dude.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1811327840257761584I think he has said this before previously, but if you have read the foundation books then Terminus (Mars) was actually a distraction that did work for a while, but the actual Foundation was built elsewhereI wonder if Musk is doing something like that in secret now
>>16277073Have you SEEN Joe Biden? Cleon's Galactic Empire was in a much better state than the West is now.
>>16277073>I wonder if Musk is doing something like that in secret nowHe's not batman, dude.
>>16277089so I guess you haven't read the books
>>16277101I read one of them, can't remember which.I also watched one episode of the apple series and then cancelled my subscription.I'm more of a Heinlein man myself.
>>16276938Theres no fucking way congress actually pays for it. You essentially have to pay the entire 4.2 billion $ launch cost of sls to even come close to starship for less payload.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSii82yypug&thttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSii82yypug&thttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSii82yypug&thttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSii82yypug&thttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSii82yypug&thttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSii82yypug&t
>>16277125EVERYONE WATCH MY F*ING VIDEO
Most people don't realize that, but you actually can ignore those retarded skeptics and armchair specialists.
>>16277032>Wilmore, who took over manual control for part of Starliner's approach to the space station, said he could sense the spacecraft's handling qualities diminish as thrusters temporarily failed. "You could tell it was degraded, but still, it was impressive," he said.Yeah it's very impressive this dog turd manages to melt it's thrusters in normal operation and this wasn't noticed till now.
>>16277109you know heinlein had a book about cannibalistic blacks keeping white slaves as chattle slaves and breeding them for food
>>16277111Yeah it's just lip service, so over for the competition to SpaceX
>>16277132>said he could sense the spacecraft's handling qualities diminish as thrusters temporarily failedHoly fucking boeing, imagine feeling your spacecraft fucking slowly die beneath you. Can't imagine the size of the brick he must have laid when he got to the ISS toilet.
>>16277129>IGNORE THE TRUTH BECAUSE IT HURTS YOUR FEELINGSAND PEOPLE SAY CHRISTIANITY IS A CULT. YOU NEW SPACERS ARE SOMETHING ELSE.
>>16277139The guy was controlling it from the ground, not on board.
>>16277141>ignore the truthIf it was something important, you would have written it instead of shilling the video.
>>16277132>The test sequence began July 3 with a series of firings mimicking what one of Starliner's thrusters experienced in orbit. But test engineers couldn't get the thruster on the ground as hot as the Starliner thrusters got in space, so officials have paused the tests this week to see if there's a way to better simulate the actual thermal conditions on the spacecraft. They hope to resume testing later this week and wrap it up over the weekend.Lol they could replicate the problem, probably cause they're not testing in a vacuum. Did they even test this thing at all?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FadmssD61J0&thttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FadmssD61J0&thttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FadmssD61J0&thttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FadmssD61J0&t
>>16277164>But my modelling!Watch this devolve into some intern not accounting for vacuum in some 30yr old proprietary sim that Boeing runs
>>16277171I'm going to watch this entire video and get mad
>>16277171>last week we watched a video about the soviet space programmea communist tranny, how original
>>16277186even has the anime profile pic lmaoo
>>16277184Give me a summary of his argument after you're done please.
>>16276839they definitely made shit that worked. big, heavy, solid and good looking engineering solutions. i never get tired watching their stuff launch and stage etc. All the Apollo hardware is the same way.
>>16277186>TAXES AREN'T PAYING FOR MY TRANSITION>CAPITALISM HAS FAILED!
>>16277164>they're not testing in a vacuumseriously? that seems unusual as these things go
>>16277201Standard practice for boeing.
>>16277201Vacuum is a kind of space, and space is hard. That's why they call it "hard vacuum"
>>16277200Billions must starve.
>>16277109>I also watched one episode of the apple seriesWhat a blunder, I'm so sorry. Never trust an adaptation. Ender's Game was an alright one, and Childhood's End. Most others suck though.>>16277133Now tell him about Lazarus Long.
fucking hate anti-space communists
>>16277220Go for a walk
>>16277226go fuck yourself
>>16277226I just took a walk and I fucking hate anti-space communists.
>like why the fuck should we explore space when we have heaps of problems on earth>if you think the former is more important then you are a fucking white nazi chud
Anyway...Stacking of Tower 2 has just started
why does india have the most chaotic rocket designs?
>>16277226so I can ponder how much I hate them and why?
>>16277231https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PikCV00aELU
>>16277240Because walking is good for your health.
>>16277233Because >>16276726
>>16277230Georgist here.Space is the only solution to the problems on earth.The problem is land.
>>16277202i wonder how they come to this conclusion>>16277204vacuum is hard job
>>16277230he barely has enough brain power to have an opinion on the merits of laces V velcro shoe bindings.
>>16277242its raining
>>16277248>i wonder how they come to this conclusionIt's the douglas taint.They only know how to succeed at office politics, not business. Thats how they keep failing but taking over whoever they merge with.
>>16276674If only someone had devised a 'Green Road to Space" .... OH WELL! https://www.isec.org/green-road-to-space-committee
>>16277256shame. amazing to think that you'd remove vacuum tests from a new space craft. i thought everyone had done that over the years. its not as if there aren't several very large vacuum chambers for both space craft and rocket testing in the US.
>>16277111congress will just put a tax on commercial space launches (read spacex)
>>16277231>>16277241about fucking time. how are tower 2's pilings going?
>>16277164There is a giant fucking vacuum chamber literally purpose built exactly and specifically for this. Did they just not want to rent it out for a week???
>>16276881>>16276677The guy is a Trump hater and a Biden cocksucker. What do you expect. Its a politic hitpiece rather than a neutral or a factual one.
>>16277267One of the newer RGV videos showed they'd just about finished them>https://youtu.be/7Zs31D8D3mI?t=294
>>16277270I figured as such by the tone of the article, that's why I looked up his name. That book was the first thing I found, where he's complaining that classic liberal journos are fleeing the left (which must be a right-wing trick!). Instant dismissal of everything he has said, is saying, or ever will say.
>>16277277>flame trenchim getting a headache
>>16277278Yep, the guy is entirely a partisan hack. All you needed to do was check this guy's twitter lol. The classic liberal journals havent fled anywhere. They are still reporting on privacy issue, free speech, government accountability, etc. The corporate media arm simply latched on the government censorship, government ideology and are trying to gaslight you into thinking otherwise.
>There is a small gap between foundation and first section.It's over. Two more year to redesign second tower.
>>16277193Sorry anon I turned it on after getting to work but I can't handle that voice. I thought it was just a British girl but it turned out to be a man. If I'd known I wouldn't have made false promises. The video description mentions Kessler syndrome though so you can guess
>>16277171>>16277186>>16277188this cannot be real
>>16277241>commentary stream for putting concrete on top of concretewhat a bunch of money milking faggots
>>16276940They tried that and the rocket flew of the test stand.>>16277233Who cares as long as it works?
>>16277188>>16277186HOW ARE THEY SO PREDICTABLE?Like you can spot a marxist just from their looks
>>16277301I think the mind-poison affects their exterior in time.
>>16277266It would need to be a 200000% tax for SLS to compete with spacex.
>>16277288Just mute it and turn off auto captions.
>>16277316I'm at work man I listen to audiobooks all day but my eyes are busy
>>16277233It’s a rocket for validating a capsule’s launch escape system. They frequently look goofy.
https://x.com/esherifftv/status/1811388974813872512
>>16277322https://x.com/ajtourville/status/1811398927041642742just the cbs morning section without commentary
>>16277038
>>16277329>we will see fuzzy images of real exoplanets before we dieYes, please.
Space is for crackkkers
>>16277335Direct imaging is nice. Getting the planet down to a fuzzy blob means there's enough light to do direct spectroscopy of the planets without needing to do the tricky stuff involved in transit spectroscopy.
>>16277337Yes
What benefit does full flow staged combustion offer over an oxidizer or fuel rich staged combustion design?At first glance it seems like more engineering work for something that by its nature has all the downsides of both fuel rich and oxidizer rich at the same time.
>>16277344The big one is the turbines run a lot cooler for a given outlet pressure.
>>16277344Performance. Higher isp and thrust.Eager space made a video about it and you need every last drop of performance you can get to make full reusability work.
https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1811410749622833222>Starbase Tower 2 stacking has commenced! >7/11/24
>>16277329>>16277338If I were to guess, high fidelity visible light interferometry via quantum-networked ground telescopes will achieve the equivalent of this long before HWO ever launches
>>16277364In english, doc
>>16277365>Buzzword soup will beat them to the punch
>>16277365https://arxiv.org/abs/2204.06044>>16277366Shut up faggot
>>16277372>"Quantum [thing]">Chinese workLike clockwork.
>Saw part of the Ariane 6 launch, seemed to do well>Find out it didn't go... perfectly wellApparently the last stage wasn't able to start deorbiting as planned? What's the status now (or is it already burned up)?
>>16277373It's not a difficult concept to understand
>>16277375it's stuck up there and the two reentry test payloads are SOL. the cope is that they have some orders which won't need vinci restarts so it's not a problem for those.
>>16277378No, it's not: Beijing wants to be the leading economy and economic power in the 21st Century, and they see breakthroughs in quantum physics as the path to doing so — to the point that they're not as interested in subsidizing work that doesn't have their favorite word in it. That leads to efforts like this one to cram in things that let them use the phrase "quantum technology" to an existing field that doesn't actually do anything different in the physics of the optics and imaging sensors.
>>16277385Retard. They're Australian and Singapore scientists and a colab between them
>>16277392Macquerie University is a joint research university with University of Hamburg and Fudan University in Shanghai.
>>16277385You're the blackest retard gorilla nigger I have ever seen. Maybe read the paper, or does baby need the popsci article to understand? It's really basic, qubits in a network with improved error correction will allow for optical interferometry to actually work. https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2022/11/quantum-error-correction-will-enable-quantum-telescopes.html https://youtu.be/eXchT7mtEao?t=1h4m19s
>>16277396So you're saying Australian university is a fraud? LMAO
>>16277344The most reusable engine due to lowest turbine temperature at given chamber pressure except for electric pumped which doesn't scale
>>16277401No, I'm not saying it's a fraud, I'm saying that it's inevitably a Chinese backed effort because they're trying to emphasize the "quantum" on an interferometer. It's Electricity and Magnetism: quantum bullshit is literally the fundamentals of the field.
>>16277400>qubits in a network with improved error correctionthat doesn't work by the way.>inb4 he believes in quantum advantage
>>16277384the good news: they can start launching the easy payloads and continue testing the new APU for long-duration missions after the payload is released. The next flight is now scheduled for December (CSO 3).
>>16277406So you're saying the Australian university is run by incompetent people or people who are only after money and cant actually tell whats real and fake because of join research with Chinese university?Woah. Thats fraud on massive level
>>16277404spacex seems to mostly be taking advantage of this by jacking up the chamber pressure to even more ridiculous levels
reminder that quantum telescopes can receive images faster than light thanks to their use of entanglement
>>16277416Remember that time they built those ridiculous cryogenic chandeliers and hyped it like crazy and then slowly tried to sweep it back under the rug once they realized there is no end-to-end supremacy observable?There is no fraud, people are just that confused about quantum physics.
>>16277420So you're saying everyone has perfect understanding of quantum physics and we dont need any more research?WOAH
>>16277420>>16277421Not spaceflight shut up
>>16277422quantums fly around in space all the time
>>16277416Other way around: China's willing to throw money at things that they think might give them something relating to their ambition of Quantum Supremacy, so researchers are incentivized to write it in as much as possible for the sake of grant money.
>>16277416>So you're saying the Australian university is run by incompetent people or people who are only after moneyWelcome to real life instead of a romanticized view of higher education.
>>16277408Refer to my previous ad hominem
>>16277416>>16277421>so you're saying->x2Disingenuous actor detected, cease all (you)s directed towards it at once.
>>16277364are there some projects about to do that?what drives you to think ground based telescopes would do it first?
>>16277431>make accusations>have no grass to touch>claim victim
>>16277432For starters HWO has an insanely unambitious timeline, launching in the 2040s at the earliest. Meaning at best it wont launch until the 2050/2060s, if ever. At least JWST timeline was ambitious, then was 10 years late (generous). Astronomers conservatism and fear of failure/budgets and incompetency of NASA's management and contractors will easily kill the project
>>16277437On the other hand, "qubit networked" telescope arrays are not actually within the realm of real physics so it's anybody's guess which will happen sooner
>>16277400>will allow for optical interferometry to actually workdo they not work now? i thought the VLA was such a thing.
>>16277437Hey, for all you know unambitious timeline means delivered on time. Could be good pr, even if it takes longer than james webb if they say it’s going to take a long time it’s not such a bad look.
>>16277445It does work. And you can make it better without impossible coherence thought experiments.
>>16277446>for all you knowWe do know, thats the problem, nasa can't hit a deadline to save it's life.
>>16277449im still not sure why they couldn't use it to image the apollo landing sites.
>>16277439That's why I started my original post with "if I had to guess"
>>16277446That's never ever how it happens. Especially with government-funded flagship projects. Double especially with decrepit old NASA + [insert your defence contractor]
>>16277421>So you're saying everyone has perfect understanding of quantum physics and we dont need any more research?Not that anon but I was raised by english speaking parents and my dog understands a little bit of english. That's a completely difference sentence
>>16277491You lack reasoning capability. >research project failed in their prediction therefore not science>any unknown with chance of failure = not science/fraud>therefore science can only be done with perfect knowledge
>>16277329oh boy i cant wait until 2100 when we actually get something like this. oh fuck we'll all be dead by then.
>>16277499Maybe you will but I won’t.
>>16277515My plan is just to not die, I don't know why more people don't do it
>>16277171One rule I have learned long time ago: when someone feel the need to repeat a link more times it means it's not worth it.
What are my chanches of surving riding a starship down to earth on the backside, in a spacesuit, ofcourse.???
>>16277527perchance
>>16277527The flap did, if you're on the side opposite to the heat shield then I don't see why not. You'd be hooked onto it with a carabiner right? I wouldn't want to be holding on the whole time.
>>16277527non zero
>>16277532>The flap didbarely.
>>16277532>You'd be hooked onto it with a carabiner right? I wouldn't want to be holding on the whole time.How about standing on it?
>>16276867Roggoids
>>16276867Hybergoliggs :DDD
>>16276867proonted roggid egngingnes :DDDD
I just shitted the fuck out of my pants
Why isn't it possible?
https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1810791963358048360So it was a failure. Failed to relight the engine, failed to deploy sats, failed to deorbit burn Failure all around
>>16277569send a pic
>>16277572It is possible though, although it only begs the question of what to do with all the CO2 now covering the surface.
>>16277572world’s largest sailboat platting a course directly for venus’s surface.
>>16277572Thats prob roughly 80 square km. Fucking huge
>>16277324The further they push it back, the more convinced I am it will kill them.Jesus, boing.
>>16277186>>16277188well there's your problem
>>16276689Marooned
https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1811378013847879920
>>16277590https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1811416584591941736
>>16277590>bioengineering humansthere's no way he's said this
>>16277591https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/11/technology/elon-musk-spacex-mars.htmlhttps://archive.is/HeUcA
>>16277597the screenshots posted by hanaia (the article itself is perhaps 2x longer)
>>16277597Another day, another hitpieces from marxist tranny times
>>16277598
>>16277600
>>16277599>Reporting from San FranciscoLMAO
>>16277572How far from Venus is V-S L1, how many cubic kilometers would that sunshade have to be?
>>16277591Wasn't there something about SpaceX having a Mars meeting each week where they talk about Mars related issues. I guess that wouldn't count as directed to work on it.
>>16277230is he really anti-space?
>>16277612I mean a mars club as an extra-curricular activity would make sense but talking about stuff is a far cry from actually using engineering resources and resources in general for itI do remember Mueller saying somewhere that the last 5 years he was at SpaceX he was looking at ISRU stuff for mars, which would be somewhere between 2015-2020Musk also tends to weasel around with technicalities, here he specifically said "no one has been directed to work on a Mars city"what about other aspects related to Mars? ISRU for propellant isn't directly related to a Mars city perhaps but I would say its very much related to Mars colonization efforts
>>16277614He's a commie shit and needs to be necked
>>16277616Propellant ISRU and wet-workshopping Starships as habs gets you at least a basic town in a single synod with enough launches.
>>16277597I know this article in nonsense cause it says spacexs plans for a mars city is a giant dome.Anyone who has bothered to look at the concept knows domes bigger than like 200 feet across won't work.
>>16277630>Anyone who has bothered to look at the concept knows domes bigger than like 200 feet across won't work.Elaborate on this point. We build domes bigger than that on earth all the time and big domes should be easier on mars.
>>16277416remember: it's not a crime if you're defrauding your enemies
>>16276677>>16276715>>16276881>>16277270why are wingnuts like this
>>16277597>domesKino! Musk has good taste in mars aesthetics.
>>16277633nta that anon, but domes on earth don't have to hold in the atmosphere.
>>16277656That makes them easier thoughbeit, the internal pressure offers support.
>>16277653Domes (solar panels)Tunnels (boring company)
>>16277579>It is possible thoughWouldn't this immediately self destruct resulting in Kessler syndrome? All of those millimeter thick plates acting as sunshade would quickly break apart and smash into each other, I imagine. >>16277581Those plates aren't to scale and neither are they hexagonal, Venus is to 1 to 1 billion scale but the rest I just tried to quickly whip up as a demonstration.
>>16277658It doesn't work like that anon.
>>16277633You just wouldn't build a dome. There are way cheaper and easier ways to get pressurized dirt
>>16277663How smart are you?
>>16277661>Wouldn't this immediately self destruct resulting in Kessler syndrome?That specific arrangement yes but you can have stable orbital shades around a planet.
>>16277663>pops hole in your gay little baloon
>>16277658what would it be run at? 4-5psi like in space or would they want a full atmosphere?
>>16277607>How far from Venus is V-S L1According to people on the internet, around 1,011,090 km or −0.00676 AU from Venus. So, a sunshade orbiting at the Venus-Sun Lagrange Point 1 would need to have a volume of approximately 4.6 x 10^3 km3 to effectively cover the surface of Venus, assuming the sunshade has a thickness of 10micrometers (0.01mm or 0.001cm). A4 paper is between 0.05mm and 0.10mm usually.
>>16277662Nu-uh
>>16277663I'll throw darts at it from the top of my glass dome habitat.
>>16277542the classic
>>16277675okay, what now
>>16277675>>16277669ETFE doesn't rip like that. Plus it doesn't matter anyway because the rate of air leaving the bubble matters less as the volume increases. I did the math once and it's like 50 acres per Starship payload with this method. 70 acres if you anchor it to habitable and cargo Starships instead of cables. That's 50 acres of pressurized dirt from one ship. Try doing that with a dome
>>16277672.5 bar with 40% O and 60% N, /sfg/ already decided this
>>16277687>40% ORealistically what would happen if your dome forest caught fire
>>16277690The atmosphere would gain some co2
>>16277690who do brainlets always say this? 40% O is fine at 500mb
>>16277690We would put it out with a hose. Same as on urf dumbass.
>>16277574Huh? No man
>>16277619>muh commie!!!Nobody spazzes out about them this much here. Back to >>>/pol/ you go, shouldve just sais tranny instead.
>>16277715nobody brings them up, fuck off commie
>>16277715Kill yourself commie rat
>>16277715Hm>>16277186>>16277188>>16277200>>16277220>>16277228>>16277295>>16277301>>16277304
>>16277715go back to your shithole website, leftypol troon
>>16277686https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2019/11/28/domes-are-very-over-rated/
>>16277715>posts some commie nigger from trannyland>complain when people dont want freaks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGzr5q2JGuYAerojet's got competition
>>16277765are Ursa Major actually doing something? what do they have
>>16277790They're building liquid propellant engines for other peoples' projects. They're also general purpose propulsion for the military. It looks like they're moving in on Northrop's solid fuel monopoly.
>>16277793I am aware, I was asking about specific projects and not just "yeah we're gonna be the engine guys"
>>16277794Yeah they're colonizing Jupiter. What the hell are you talking about, they're the engine guys
>>16277633Lifting force scales with area, while anchoring force scales with circumference. You max out at like 150 feet without doing some sort of crazy foundation work
>>16277765well that was 95% of nothing.
>>16277733>The Earth’s south pole in the middle of winter is closer to a beach in Hawaii than the nicest place on Mars on the nicest day of the year.lol, lmao
>>16277838You seem to be suggesting it will float off like a balloon. I don’t see that happening in the currently very thin martian atmosphere.
>>16277715kys commie faggot you deserve to die 20x as hard as any of the touhou niggers and that's saying something
>>16277715>and so the commie exposes itselftypical
>>16277687>/sfg/ already decided thisFag response
Has the us military considered using the superheavy as a minuteman replacement
>>16277715I assume even commies hate hasanIt would make sense
>>16277883No because it takes longer than a minute to get the rockets ready.Minutemans can stay in storage for decades I think
>>16277833I wanted to know about their enginesthey built the engine on that Talon hypersonic thing or whatever that flew under Rok, huh?
>>16277876seethe, and death to all communists
Touhoutal Communist Death
>>16277765>>16277793The video is promo trash but the website has more info>Draper - H2O2/RP1 - Closed catalyst cycle>Hadley - Lox/RP1 - O2 rich staged combustion>Ripley - Lox/RP1 - O2 rich stage combustion - "highest preforming kerosene engine ever built in the US>Arroway - Lox/CH4 - Staged - "future of American engines for heavy lift/RD-180 replacement"The only one worth a damn is Hadley just as a tech first, no one is going to buy Ripleys' when the Falcon-9 exists and Arroway is a paper engine that isn't currently needed when ULA has all of the RD-180's needed for Atlas V and is contracted with BO for Vulcan Centaur. Not to mention that it's 70klbs short of thrust at sea level.The whole company seems to be hedging its bets on getting some military contracts but wants the glamour of new space to attract VC funding.
https://www.ad.nl/buitenland/nederlanders-gearresteerd-op-russische-ruimtebasis-in-kazachstan~ae56b99c/>HAVE SOME GOD DAMN FAITH!
https://x.com/relativityspace/status/1811505046183702599
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1811120996914757818SpaceX response to the recent NYT hitpiece
>>16277897sorry meant 350k lbs of thrust short compared to a BE-4
>>16277900so clean its basically invisible
>>16277859Not lifting like a balloon, lifting like the pressure pulling against the foundation. Because the inside is pressurized your main problem is the opposite of earth
how long can that piece of shit stay there, they havet to roll the dice at some point
>>16277171i actually put myself through the pain of listening to this and they basically complained that falcon 1 wasnt designed with shuttle heritage and that falcon 1 was too expensive and then he said falcon 9 only launched 5 times then he said falcon 9 rockets cost 70 million and that blue origin has already landed rockets. he also said elon musk said they'd land on mars by 2012 and since he hasn't landed anything on mars by 2024 so he's a fraud basically.
>>16277918falcon 9 only launched 5 times? lol, lmao even
>>16277230 people really believe this too, very disturbing.
>Microsoft leads $40 million funding for Starlink networking startup >TAMPA, Fla. — Armada has raised an extra $40 million through a Microsoft-led funding round to develop mobile data centers tailored for SpaceX’s Starlink broadband network, the San Francisco-based startup announced July 11.>The venture, which said it has received around $100 million from investors after emerging from stealth six months ago, is first focusing on deploying artificial intelligence computing tools designed to empower remotely connected devices.>Microsoft is offering these software tools on its Azure cloud computing marketplace following the investment by its venture capital arm M12. The software includes Armada’s digital platform for managing Starlink terminals and other connected assets such as sensors and drones.>Ultimately, Armada aims to offer ruggedized data centers the size of shipping containers for its cloud computing ecosystem called Galleons, which would enable customers to process data faster and more efficiently on-site — known as edge computing.>Armada said Galleons would be integrated with satellites in low Earth orbit thanks to a deep collaboration with Starlink, but did not provide details. SpaceX has not responded to requests to comment on the startup. https://spacenews.com/microsoft-leads-40-million-funding-for-starlink-networking-startup/
>>16277900
>>16277927>Satellite-connected Galleons would enable off-the-grid customers to process data in real-time, according to Armada, and use generative artificial intelligence services typically confined to areas with terrestrial connectivity. What kind of off-grid customer needs data centers?
>>16277927entire new businesses being built on top off starlinkstarship can't become operational soon enough
>>16277929It turns out building high performance rocket engines was actually kind of easy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eETrecCx9WE>Starship's Stage Zero: Ready for Flight 5? | Starbase Flyover Update 49
>>16276816>>16276822I guess the Hyperbola-1 is destined to merely be a Parabola.
>>16276677Ah yes their reporting was "taking on the rich and powerful " or "arguably changed the course of history" when they went after the powerful right but now that they are doing the same thing to the powerful left its "crafted to please grievance stricken American conservatives" and "taken a hard right turn". Fucking bullshit, they haven't changed, leftists just can't handle that the elite on their side are power grabbing, corrupt snakes. They aren't the purist bastions of freedom and champions of the cause that the leftists believe them to be.
Ariane 6 is a complete success compared to Starship
>>16277936The most disappointing kind of launch failure: ones that happen off-camera.
>>16277944China can only afford cameras on their most powerful rockets, prease undastandu
>>16277573lmao
So Starliner is stuck at ISS?
>>16277949It's been stinkin up the ol station for about a month now
>>16277572I can kinda see why people of old thought Venus a steamy Jungle world when seeing it as the cloudy white marble that it is.
>>16277936After this iSpace is sitting on a 3/6 flight record for Hyperbola-1. I know Chinese LSPs seem a bit more resistant to death than their western counterparts but if they survive this China must be really hard up for any possible launch capacity.
>>16277930I cant think of a single one. Seems kind of fucking stupid when they could just have a low latency starlink connection to a real data centre. VC so insanely easy to scam.
Now that SpaceX is on good financial footing, it would make sense for at least some individuals or small teams convene to game out colonization in broad brush strokes. Not everyone there has to be working on Raptor engine optimization all the time.
>>16277898joepie de poepie
>>16277973Until raptor and starship are fully operational, all company resources are to be devoted mainly towards Starship. Musk even pulled people from Starlink once it was going fully operation and put them into Starship program.
>>16277931Just soi'd over the portal 2 aesthetic it's over fur mich
>>16277931They're hammering these droneships with this cadenceNo time to fix the rust so another rocket is gonna blow off more rust combined with saltwater = rustyThey're gonna have to take these out of commission for a bit to replace the decks sooner or later
>>16277977not a crumb for beetle protection
>>16277973STEP ONE FIRST
finally got mine
>>16277988Stupid frogposter
https://x.com/airandspace/status/1811458016346038413>On this day in 1979, Skylab, the first U.S. space station, reentered Earth's atmosphere and disintegrated.
frogs posted more about their air force activities near the ariane 6 launch... on instagram
what the fuck happened to /sfg/? half the posts ITT are about politics and dumb shit and schizoid retardation. can't you faggots stick to the technical stuff?
>>16277994frog website
>>16278001are you upset?
>>16278001Schizoid anime pedos ruined it.
>>16278001It's been months since the last starship launch.SFG is in recline.
>>16278001You can look at the spikes in /sci/ posting every IFT. I'm pretty sure everyone is just new
>>16278011whoops wrong one
>>16278001
>>16278001Anime spamming pedos chased out the old guard and they don't know enough about space to keep up discussion.
>>16278014Is Europe finally understanding the value of kino military footage?
>>16277973>game out colonization in broad brush strokeshappening. just no hardware being built cause that would be stupid.tom mueller for some reason didn't want to be on raptor so he worked on mars propellant production his last years.
>>16278024Yeah, its been happening for years. Old SpaceX engineers constantly talk about mars projects at SpaceX.
>>16278009>>16278018anime website, newfag
>>162780264chan is an anime site like amazon is a book site.
>>16278026Nope, there is a reason they made quarantine boards for you pedos.
>>16278024>>16278025well even Musk gave a pretty broad strokes idea about what they need to do at Marschoosing landing locations based on a bunch of criteria, asking other companies to start doing things and gave a long list of necessary projects that need to be done
>>16278024I'd assume Tom realized after Merlin that work of an engine is far less long term legacy than Mars infastructure. To have a lasting impact you can't be part of something that may be obsolete in a decade.
>>16278018>chased out the old guardI can recognize the way you type.You're the one who had a huge faggot meltdown shitting yourself in the thread
>>16278030the pedo quarantine boards were here before you came along, newfagyou'd know this if you weren't new cancer
noo you can't insult communists, /sfg/ is dead
>>16278031I guarantee you landing locations are already picked out and that the base level projects are already picked out and have had projects on them.
>>16278012looks like it ;_;>>16278013maybe but as the other anon said there haven't been any launches...>>16278015not really, I can't. doesn't matter, though, I like learning from what other people say.
>>16278037Yeah that guy has gets suspiciously triggered when you say "commies".It's happened before
>>16278035Ah yes here is the mysterious boogeyman you will try to pin this on.>>16278036So you know where they are? Good go back to them then.
Oh great here comes the anime reddit faggot to shit up the general because someone called him out
>>16277973BE REALLY NICEIF LITERALLY ANY OTHER CUNTSCOULD PULL THEIR WEIGHT ON THIS WHOLEGOT TO GET THE FUCK OFF THIS SHITHOLE PLANETBUSINESS
>>16278044Tim Ellis and Stefan Brieschenk are the only space executives I've heard say they want life to be multiplanetary.I think a lot of em just want to dick around in earth orbit like a bunch of fags or the company is public so their highest ambition by law is providing maximum value to shareholders.
>>16277930Military. Networked battlefields have been in the pipeline for well over 30 years now. Oil and gas occasionally run discovery ops that need massive data crunching in almost realtime.
>>16278047>Networked battlefieldsThe battlefield of the future is going to be absolutely fucked for the average grunt.
>>16278051its going to be drones vs drones
>>16278051The battlefield already is networked.It's kind of a meme by the way.All you need is munition that reliably hits its target using onboard compute.Imagine a drone the cost of a bullet that hits a solider's head 90% of the time.No need for VC scam datacenter in a box.
anyway
>>16278051Its the never ending cycle of better offense begets better defense which begets better offense.Grunts always pay the price but they're still around, and they will be for another thousand years.I bet $50 that we'll see squads of soldiers walking around with their own dedicated cloud of mini-drones before the close of the century.
>>16278001It's terrible. We've had people in here genuinely talking about asteroid mining
>>16278059lol
>>16278035Nothing like just making schizo shit upGo back to whatever subhuman trash containment general you came out of over on >>>/vg/
>>16277988stick it up your asshole pig
>>16278001Consider eat my shit dumbass whiner
https://x.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1811568668507021429>What would happen if Booster 12 does a Tianglong3 in the event of a clamp failure.
>>16278081consider learn english, faggot
>>16277996Shuttle-Skylab would have been cool, although von Braun didn’t give a shit by then. Even if it saved the station.I wish we had gotten Shuttle and Buran at Mir at the same time instead, that would have been cool.Here’s a photo of some goofball at NASA spelling Endeavour wrong because I found it funny and needed an excuse to post it
>>16278091i'm already Tracer
>>16278100Back to >>>/reddit/
>>16278079fuck you
they knew beforehand whether they were maxing out shuttle's payload capacity on any given flight. they should have painted the tank white on any flights where they had the mass budget.
>>16277927Defense, Oil, and Gas
>>16278115Hostile response
>>16277980I've been saying it for yearsThey need another two bargesThey didn't expand their barge fleet because Starship was supposed to be regularly flying by now but yeah that didn't happen.
in case you missed ithttps://www.youtube.com/live/PikCV00aELUhttps://www.youtube.com/live/PikCV00aELU
https://youtu.be/DVh4cpCNz5cjellyfish launch time again
>>16277572>>16277673>>16277607what is the sunshade supposed to be made of? what's its reflectance and how hot does it get with one side in direct sunshine all the time?if it's just a thin film wouldn't it melt?
>>16278130to answer my own question, the JWST sunshade is always in sunlight and does fine
>>16277532Magnetic boots.
>>16278129https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1gqGvNkwZPgGBTwitter stream's liveOh God that's a lot of fog
>>16278129Will there be a fish?It's still light out there. I don't think the sun even set
>debris on the camerauhhh bros?
that's a big leak
early christmas
>>16278139and way more space rats than normal. I'm worried. This is a bad, bad week for upper stages.
>>16278129not even close to dark enough
>>16278145Probably just extra frozen condensation from the atmosphere at SLC-4E being so damn moist
>>16278149are you watching it my dude? it's spewing shit everywhere
>spacex rushing to shut the stream off before even confirming orbital insertion
So much space snow lately lmao
why dont the jeets and chinks blow up? theyre making all this new stuff and its going perfectly. wtf
>>16278156The last rocket China launched failed and India barely ever launches anything
>>16278152shame, I wanted to see what would happen to all that ice on engine shutdown
>>16278157did people blow up? and i saw a goofy looking india rocket launch on the news
so besides the whole village that got killed when the rocket fell on them, the chinese have never killed an astronaut
theyre uhhh... not going to confirm nominal orbital insertion, are they?
>>16278160Something in the fourth stage fucked up. And that Indian launch had to have been archival. ISRO hasn't launched anything since February.
>>16278008dumb frogposter
>>16278152>>16278162Ever since they moved to unhosted webcasts for starlink they always cut away right after the "mvac shutdown" call.The velocity on the previous flight with this inclination and altitude from vandenberg was 27338. It settled at 27336 this time, give or take because they fudge the telemetry a little.It looks good. Not that we know what happens with SES-2 and beyond.>inb4 2km/h short it's so over
>Houston we are venting something into space
houston , we have boobie
>>16278040I wonder if he's a Chicom or stuck worshipping the soviet union
>>16278175PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP REACH ORBIT REACH ORBIT REACH ORBIT REACH ORBIT
>>16278175nice
>>16278180do not do this
>>16278182sex with roggets
>>16278180just got done doin dis
>>16277900proont man marches on
>>16278175sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sekss!
>>16278206
>no Starlink deployment tweet>no Starlink deployment tweet>no Starlink deployment tweet>no Starlink deployment tweet>no Starlink deployment tweet>no StarIink deployment tweetSES-2 failure, so its just 2nd stage with a bunch of Starlinks attached waiting to reenter now
>>16278175sexo
>Upper stage restart to raise perigee resulted in an engine RUD for reasons currently unknown. Team is reviewing data tonight to understand root cause.Starlink satellites were deployed, but the perigee may be too low for them to raise orbit. Will know more in a few hours.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1811620381590966321
>>16278226Damn, how long has it been since a Falcon 9 failed?
>>16278230a bazillion years
>>16278226Polaris Dawn is effectively cancelled
>>16278221>>16278226It's over for spacex. They've been exposed for the frauds they are and now the adults like ULA can get to work.
>>16278230amos-6 was 2016previous engine out was 2021 (on first stage)it's the first time mvac fails
>Awww, did Elon fuck up again?>I warned you he would do this.>There is going to be Starlink debris raining down on orphans and nuns everywhere!>Musk really should be locked up for the good of humanity>Don't forget to like, subscribe, and hit the bell icon.>Your donations to my Patreon make possible this channel holding Elon Musk accountable for his crimes.
>>16278226That looks like a pretty gnarly LOX leak.
You just know the Merlin/S2 integration teams are sweating at the prospect of being under Elon's scrutiny for the first time in years
>>16278029That's a good one, Anon. I'll remember this.
>>16278226Attach a screenshot, you fucking mongoloid.
Aluminium foil nozzel for peak payload capacity
>>16278238tongue my anus faggotfoot
>>16278001Oh yeah, now is a good time to bring it up for IFT5The first rule of flight club is you do not talk about flight clubThe second rule of flight club is you do not talk about flight clublast IFT someone linked a /pol/ post about the N1 or something and some guy came here and shit up the general for several threads. Other boards always talk about the launch, elon, thunderfoot, or something. That is the worst time to divulge the existence of /sfg/. And probably just better to avoid mentioning /sfg/ in elon salt threads 365 days of the year.
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1811635860481454487it's ogre
>>16278279spacex is finished
ITS OVER
>wake up in the middle of the night to shit>falcon 9 failedWhat the fuck
>>16278299>wake up to shitYou should seek treatment for that bowel cancer, anon... You dont want to die before humans get to Mars, right?
Thrilling Starlink rescue mission happening right now
>>16278279Musk has whipped the launch rate too high and the cracks are starting to show. It's over.
Anyone got an extra $3 million sitting around? If so, we can put 500 kg into sun-synchronous orbit. It's booked up through early 2026 but I figure that's enough time for the design and testing of our 500 kg payload, whatever it might be.
And so begins the downfall of SpaceX... All hail the new king!
>>16278302I am genuinely planning on spending a reasonable percentage of my retirement savings on a moon vacation in 2070
>>16278299No, it would be 100% "success" according to ULA.
Falcon 9 is no longer a reliable launch vehicle.
>Fallcon essentially grounded>Europa Clipper in the shitterWhat now?
>>16278310It deployed the primary payload?
now that f9 is going to be spending months under FAA inspection and wont be able to launch to the ISS...what happens to the starliner astronauts?
>>16278175Space dog!
>>16278175>>16278322oh damn she has her own tag nowhttps://danbooru.donmai.us/wiki_pages/atago_(space_atago)_(greyeth)_(azur_lane)?z=1
>>16278318just surround them in thicker lead wtf this is easy
>>16278325they don't have the mass budget to do that. mass autism coming back to bite these stupid niggers in a big way
NYT front page story tomorrow: The birds strike back! Elon Musk's rocket EXPLODES after company destroys bird nests.
>>16278334is the boob cage radiation proof
>>16278336yes the fat milk tanks absorbs radiation
>>16278338flight-certified booba
>>16277329>sleazy soiyence faggots making grandiose promises that will never be delivered on common trick
Jonathan has spokenhttps://x.com/planet4589/status/1811625201215357371
>>16278320All that FAA bullshit will magically disappear in an instant if the alternative is to ask the Russians for assistance.
wwwwwwww
Sounds like if they can get them inserted into a useful orbit, it will be a low one that will shorten the lifespan of the sats.
is it over?
>>16278360F9 stand down until 2nd stage issue resolved. probably 3 months?
>all this almost 2 years to the day of the booster 7 spin prime explosion
I wake up to shit and F9 fucking exploded? WTF
>>16278369not just exploded, the entire cape is destroyed, all launches have to be from MARS or Vandenberg now
>>16278371Today is a good day
>>16278369Also just woke up and it's over
The next F9 launch is still going to be on Sunday.
>>16278386Falcon 9s are grounded thanks to the irresponsible muskrat billionaire
https://powerlighttech.com/power-over-fiber/That's gotta be the greatest glowtech i ever seen
AND ITS SPACEhttps://powerlighttech.com/space/
It's over. Falcon 9 just EXPLODED, all launches are cancelled for at least a year pending FAA investigation, and Elon is busy shitposting on twitter instead of managing SpaceX.
Now you know why JWST didnt launch on Spacex
>>162784021/~340? that's better than Ariane
>>16278226>>16278251https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1811635860481454487
>>16278442https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1811638892879020243
>>16278443Warp 9Engage Soi face
>>16277597https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1811656325266334180
she's up there hexing launches
>>16278454lmaoPelosi also called them fake news today
Reused stage > new stage
>>16277599based botchad
you know the moon is a happening place when conjunction warnings are a regular thinghttps://spacenews.com/lunar-spacecraft-receive-dozens-of-collision-warnings/
They wouldn't have had this problem if they reused 2nd stage
I’m confident we’ll get another F9 launch by the end of august
>>16278318https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/11/science/europa-clipper-nasa-radiation.html?unlocked_article_code=1.6k0.-Ag8.LypxgeYjpcI4&smid=url-share
>>16278494https://www.science.org/content/article/vulnerable-transistors-threaten-upend-europa-clipper-mission>Some years ago, Infineon changed its manufacturing process for its radiation-hard MOSFETs, which it designs to meet U.S. military specifications—the same radiation-resistance standards used by the Clipper team. After this change, the company’s classified customers found that several lots of the transistors failed at lower than expected radiation levels, Fitzpatrick said. The company has already corrected the mistake, but Infineon did not report the flaw to NASA because the company did not know what the transistors would be used for, Fitzpatrick said. “They did not realize it was going to affect us.” Infineon did not respond to a request for comment.there was a problem with some updated manufacturing method for the chips but Infineon didn't inform NASA about the change because they didn't know what the chips would be used for
>be me>M.sc. Physics Student in university>listen to atmospheric physisch lecture because it looked ineresting>and the prof. also works for the German Center for air- and spacetravel, so its semi /sfg/ related.>for some reason talk about jet engines during lecture aa an example how pressure behaves>think i remember the exhaust pressure ist deprndant in nozzle sitze, and If you get below atmospheric pressure in your exhaust thats bad, and the atmospheric pressure can "crush" your exhaust beam, hence atmospheric and Vacuum rocket nozzles have different sizes >Not sure though, decide to ask the expert who is a PhD literally doing a lecture about exhaust velocity of Jet engines infront of a class of dozens of students>ask "couldnt the exhaust pressure get so low, that the surrounding atmosphere could rush back into the exhaust nozzle?">Prof says "No, how would that Happen? There ist exhaust coming out of the nozzle at high velocity, there ist no way that anything could enter the nozzle from the outside, the beam IS in the way.">Just nod and say okay, after all he s a PhD holding a lecture on the topic, and im a mere M.Sc Student Am I retarded?Ist he retarded?Whats the reason for different nozzle sizes then?
>>16278505maybe you asked it in a confusing way
>>16278505Doesn't that logic apply only to rocket engines? The jet engine breathes in air, so the pressure around inlet and exhaust should be similar and due to compression and combustion, the beam will have higher pressure than the air around.
>>16278395>>16278393this seems kind of goofy. why not use a cable to transmit electricity instead?
>>16278510shouldnt still Something simmilar to the venturi effect from hydrodynamics Happen?Higher Velocity leads to lower pressure?>>16278509Possible, but i dont think so, or believe IT to be unlikely, i m usually very eloquent in German, and never had this problem before when talking about physics to someone else who knows how physics Work.
Falcon 9 just crashed into my backyard anons!
>>16278456Wonder if the Russian segment is blasting this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISoSVmXXJuc
>>16278505>>16278525Oh right, and excuse the shitty writing.Phoneposting and autocorrect set to German doesnt combine very well with writing english Text.
> falcon grounded for the foreseeable future Its so Joever :(
>>16277897>Draper - H2O2/RP1 - Closed catalyst cycleThats a fuel combo you don't see very much anymore. Wish them luck just for being different.
>>16278038What is the ideal location for an initial mars base?
>>16278379Congratulations Pippa. Have some extra estrogen compliments of ULA.
>>16278552utopia basin or hellas basin, low elevation means higher pressure means easier to land more mass with Starship due to more atmospheric drag when doing landing manuever and easier to extract atmospheric gaseshellas planitia/basin might also have a glacierhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellas_Planitia>It features the lowest point on Mars, serves as a known source of global dust storms, and may have contained lakes and glaciers.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia_Planitia>On November 22, 2016, NASA reported finding a large amount of underground ice in the Utopia Planitia region. The volume of water detected has been estimated to be equivalent to the volume of water in Lake Superior.[11][12][13]
last IFT, nobody created a launch thread, so everybody got to see /sfg/ when it got stickied, that was the big problem
>>16278555meant to reply to >>16278268
>>16278555there was a launch thread, the janny just stickied both the launch thread and /sfg/ for some reason
>>16278557your mom lets you have TWO sticky threads?I don't remember there being a launch thread at all, but I was at work during all that, came home to find a totally fagged up /sfg/ thread.
>>16278554Hellas is really good cause it's so deep that pressure gets about twice that of earth. That means once terraforming gets going air pressure will become habitable way faster.
>>16278515Because copper is boomer tech and weighs a lot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suyvkfeCGrU>Orbital Tower B Segment 1 Stacking Timelapse - 11/07/2024
>>16278525Oh, right. I don't know much about rockets.
In color theory, the line of purples or purple boundary is the locus on the edge of the chromaticity diagram formed between extreme spectral red and violet. Except for these endpoints of the line, colors on the line are non-spectral (no monochromatic light source can generate them). Rather, every color on the line is a unique mixture in a ratio of fully saturated red and fully saturated violet, the two spectral color endpoints of visibility on the spectrum of pure hues. Colors on the line and spectral colors are the only ones that are fully saturated in the sense that, for any point on the line, no other possible color being a mixture of red and violet is more saturated than it.
>>16278494FUCK big if true. They new for a decade where the spacrcraft was going and only now they realize some chips won't work.
w-why is everyone talking about falcon 9 suddenly?
>>16278502just cut out current transistors and solder in new ones problem solved. It's literally that easy to solve this spacecraft problem.
>>16278598Second stage exploded on relight.
>>16278602you need to do it fast and quick and reliablywhat if you fuck up?
>>16278505with a subsonic flow out the nozzle the pressure right at the outlet will always be ambient no matter what. If supersonic - not sure.
>>16278605Aerofags cannot into space
>>16278604There's no way a board is a significant contributor to the $4bil price tag. Hell I made a custom board in college and I was so poor I had to sneak into the business school to eat free sandwiches. There's no way this is prohibitive, right?
>>16278505Efficiency, maximum thrust is achieved when Nozzle pressure matches the ambient pressure of the atmosphere so that you get the most amount of the thrust directly underneath you.This changes as you get higher up and into space where matching ambient is impossible but efficiency gains are still possible in a larger bell to reduce nozzle pressure.
>>16278610I mean its probably not COTS, so could be pretty expensiveon top of that they might have some custom modifications on top of thatso it might not just be about the cost, but perhaps time
>>16278603it's so over. Falcon 9's reputation as a reliable rocket is ruined. This this failure rate we'll never have cheap spaceflight.
>>16278251>reasons unknownkek
>>16278609>>16278617explain mach diamonds. Protip: you can't
>>16278610you would be surprised how much some of these aerospace electronics costs. not to mention the fact that they would have to disassemble the spacecraft just to get to these components could take weeks. This could easily become a 6month delay not sure.
reminder that ariane 6 is on a bigger hot streak than falcon 9
>>16276760they had more cameras than SpaceX.
>>16278628>le aerospace supply chain strikes again I'm so mad
>>16278626It's just compression and expansion of the exhaust of an over-expanded nozzle causing shockwaves within the exhaust and when the shock waves meet each other they form higher pressure/higher temp regions within the exhaust causing those areas to burn brighter thus mach diamods
>>16278636why don't they adjust aircraft nozzles then to not over-expand? pic rel.
Results over rhetoric bros we are so back
Will they be able to save the satellites?
>>16278641Cost-benefit anon, btw jet engine nozzles are already optimized for their range of operating altitudes, you need to compromise, adjustable nozzles are more for thrust vectoring than overall thrust.The F-22 uses rectangular nozzles for stealth rather than thrust efficiency
uhh why is it legal for SpaceX to launch rocket over Mexico
someone please suggest a way to cope about the recent Falcon 9 failures
>>16278145Will engine rats be the first terrestrial life on Mars?
>>16278139>>16278142>>16278145>>16278149>>16278152>>16278153>>16278173>>16278217>>16278221The falcon 9 failure as it unfolded.
>>16278628AEROSPACEGRADE
https://youtu.be/WHsZ5wlVOj0?si=hwDEHg4-G0gdthY9&t=44does the blanket around the engine usually inflate right at stage separation?
>>16278344Shitty translation back into English
>>16278667This failure has nothing to do with reusability
>>16278661What you call Mexico is the pieces of the country that America refused to annex due to the high number of Mexicans
>>16278685but you cant reuse it if it blows up. Or can you?
>>16278692No, but 2nd stage which failed was new unlike the booster
>>16278672thanks buddeh. Im just hoping that the space rats are ok.
>>16278667become European
>F9 fails and the thread is deadImagine how different it would be if SLS or ULA failed
>>16278724Nobody cares about your>imagine if it was on the other footargument
>>16278724just wait until Starliner does something
>>16278724It was just starlinks, if it was different payload then maybe you would have some activity
Ariane - partial failureFalcon - total failure
https://x.com/FAANews/status/1811755300774379860FAA discussing Starbase launch candance increase to 25 launch per year
>>16278732https://www.faa.gov/space/stakeholder_engagement/spacex_starship
>>16278724>70th launch of the year of mass produced satellites vs $4bil taxpayer dollarsImagine if things that are different were the same
>>16278731If they actually manage to save some satellites then it wouldn't be total failure.
>>16278732>FAANewsits crystal porn isn't it?
>>16278750Official FAA account, actually.
>>16277002>>16277032>even changed starliner to shartliner in the URL, making everyone have to change it back to actually read the articleI kneel.>>16277145Butch Wilmore was in the capsule, anon, he couldn't have been controlling it from the ground.
>>16278724This is the most /sfg/ activity for a starlink launch in years.
>>16278505Excessive ambient pressure over exit pressure can in actual fact force its way back into the nozzle and separate the jet. Once you get to 15-20% of ambient weird shit starts to happen and since separation is unstable and not guaranteed to occur evenly around the nozzle exit it results in oscillations and asymmetric thrust.When formulas describe thrust or specific impulse, baking in the ambient pressure as if it were a thermal engine expanding a fluid down to that pressure, they use an accounting trick. The exhaust doesn't know there's an atmosphere producing losses unless there's flow separation. The mechanistic explanation for how thrust is produced is that there's a pressure distribution across the nozzle interior, that diminishes as it flows down and expands. Highest in the chamber and lower towards the rim. The exhaust doesn't know there's an ambient, it simply exits higher than the speed of sound at whatever static pressure it was. The portion of the nozzle where the absolute static pressure of the jet is lower than ambient nets a suction instead of thrust, since it has high ambient pressure acting on the exterior face and low pressure acting on the interior. This is why there are atmospheric suction losses. They always add up to atmospheric pressure acting over the nozzle exit area. The implication is that the ideal nozzle for an altitude has an exit pressure equal to ambient and even that ideal nozzle will suffer suction losses too, no matter what.Real first stage engines are a compromise between performance at sea level and altitude and are almost always overexpanded at liftoff to some degree.Another implication is that the portion of the nozzle that overexpands suffers compressive hoop stresses, this is why large vacuum engines threaten to collapse even if they fire at sea level without flow separation. (remember the hoop around raptor vacuums they install for static tests)
>>16278755hmm
>F9 will be shutdown forever now
>>16278773No danger to the public, retard>>16278770Shut the fuck up, frogposter
>>16278759nta but is thrust still mass flow * velocity even with these suction effects? Cool explanation btw.
>Shut the fuck up, frogposterrude
>>16278676Slightly, but there was a bigger leak this time
lack of frogposting is what made Falcon 9 abort in the first place.
Doomposting aside how long do we actually think before falcon flies again?
>>162787832 weeks
>>16278239It's got ice, so I think it's from the preburner turbine or MCC
So why don't they recover second stage of F9? Also, what the hell are they gonna do if that happens with astronauts on it? Not like you have another engine, right?
>>16278676you can see the blanket inflate a lot and start forming a lot of ice at 1:30
>>16278344I agree, Japanese person, grass
>>16278788>Also, what the hell are they gonna do if that happens with astronauts on it? Not like you have another engine, right?Simply separate the capsule and reenter after noticing anomalous engine venting. Also I think they don't do two burns with manned missions?
>>16278776It's mass flow rate * velocity - (ambient pressure * exit area) for conventional nozzlesThere's an argument for total aerospikefag death in there if you're paying attention. If chamber pressure increases arbitrarily then you get arbitrarily high thrust out of the same exit area and suction losses amount to fuck all.
>>16278788>So why don't they recover second stage of F9Falcon 9 is just just not big enough. The increase to dry mass of a fully reusable second stage seriously cuts into performance and falcon 9s payload of about 20 tons doesn't make it worth it. New glenn has a payload of about 45 tons and there it's barely worth it.Might be worth it on falcon heavy but evidently spacex thought it better to go even bigger with starship.
>>16278801>It's mass flow rate * velocity - (ambient pressure * exit area) for conventional nozzlessource? Seems not intuitive. Does the same formula hold for jet engines?
>>16278806it was revealed to me in a dreamIt doesn't work that way for jet engines, there's a second mass flow rate and free stream velocity associated with intake air that has to be accounted for. And in a lot of textbooks that merely touch on rocket engines as a subset of jet engines the formula for rocket thrust is simplified from the airbreathing one. (Which is why it's wrong and violates conservation of momentum) I'm not entirely sure who committed the original sin but it's out there in multiple copies now.I love mechanistic interpretations because they don't give a fuck about the triple integral shitsperg that formulas up as and lose intuitive meaning.The jet flow coming out of the nozzle exit is locally supersonic. Interaction with the atmosphere doesn't and can't propagate up the nozzle. The engine, on the ground on static display has atmospheric pressure acting on all of its surfaces cancelling out (minus an insignificant buoyancy) even though these forces amount to tons for small areas. When the engine ignites and the jet attaches there's an area missing from that sum amounting to however large the nozzle exit is. Atmospheric pressure over the surfaces of the engine that it can reach nets to P0*Ae in the direction opposite the engine is producing thrust.The engine in a vacuum produces thrust amounting to its mass flow rate out of the nozzle times the exhaust velocity or thereabouts. This part is non negotiable or conservation of momentum is violated.Remove the part above from this thrust and it gets your thrust at sea level.
>went to bed before falcon 9 failed>had a dream that spacex would be demolishing both starship towers to redesign them>wake up to falcon 9 RUD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfB32FkAxh0>The Next Frontier Of Space Tourism — Going To The Stratosphere In A Balloon
>>16278816>When the engine ignites and the jet attaches there's an area missing from that sum amounting to however large the nozzle exit is.Is there another explanation for why we can't take into account this area when calculating the net force of air pressure on the rocket (which is zero when the engine is off but works against the engine when the engine is on). The point about the jet being supersonic and therefore information about the atmosphere not being able to propagate inside the engine doesn't satisfy me. >(Which is why it's wrong and violates conservation of momentum)howalso can you recommend some textbooks on jet engine and rocket engines?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGgsome kind of testing happening
>>16278819>remember what they took from you
>Falcon 9 is grounded pending FAA review
>>16278829well there goes the 200 launches/yr target, any investigation will probably take a couple of months.
>>16278829Commies
>>16278836Shut up chud
>>162788293 weeks? Damn
At this point I would love to involve the possibility that this was an act of sabotage.
So who are we simping for now? Blue Amazon?
>>16278829we're going to miss out on 40 launches this year because of this.this is why we need redundancy. neutron and new glenn can't come online fast enough.
looks like we'll have to issue more bribes to Michael Whitaker. He's getting greedy.
It's fine. One failure out of 333 for Falcon v1.2 is acceptable.
>Ariane 6 second stage: FAULTY>Hyperbola-1 third stage: FAULTY>Falcon 9 second stage: FAULTY>Europa Clipper computer chips: FRAILIt's so over. Competency crisis has reached the highest echelons in all corners of the globe.
>>16278862Imagine if your car engine exploded every 333rd drive. SpaceX is finished.
wen ift5? 14 days?
>>16278865Where do all the talented people work now-a-days? Construction?
>>16278868Kill yourself
>>16278867imagine if the car with the best track record on the market exploded every 333rd drive and the rest were worse. rockets are so unreliable it's a joke
>>16278867It's no big deal for for Dragon which has no black zones for abort. Excitement on Starship human flights is guaranteed however.
>>16278631Ariane 6 has no successful flights
>noo falcon just EXPLODEDare these people retarded or just pretending?
>>16278873So is that the new official musk line on when its happening?
>>16278883Dilate
>>16278868Latest news was early august but it’s increasingly looking like it’ll be NET mid august at least
>>16278559there was a launch thread and the faggot mod stickied both>>16278691by the time we were strong enough to start big dick swinging (right before the Civil War, basically), Mexico was also a powerhouse and we fought a couple of warsthat's how we got Texas>>16278773I hate it when you're right
>>16278882RUD means exploded and elon explicitly stated that the MVAC RUDed>>16278251
>>16278878It does have one succesful orbital launch however
>>16278887Shut the fuck up you stupid fucking chud
>>16278820As far as explanations go no, as far as evidence goes, yes.Does your disbelief stem from thinking of Pe as relative to ambient? You can tell it's not the case by looking at vacuum engine tests at sea level. The jet contracts dramatically as it exits despite a radial velocity component at the nozzle rim. You could also dial in an engine with whichever nozzle exit area you want into cfd and compare expected suction losses against whatever the software spits out. Or look up thrust versus altitude charts of documented, existing engines and calculate what losses amount to at a given altitude (closed cycle probably least confusing here)Pt, Pe and P0 are taken as absolute pressures. If the static pressure inside a portion of the nozzle is lower than ambient then there can only be losses in that portion. Ultimately it doesn't matter if it's local supersonic flow that enables this or some other kind of fluid dynamic hoodoo. Whether there's loss or not and what it amounts to is a simple summation if you admit Pe is lower than ambient.>>16278820>howMomentum is conserved when a parcel of exhaust gas leaves the engine in a vacuum. The impulse delivered to the rocket is going to be equal to the velocity times the mass of the gas. If force is the time derivative of momentum then the left term becomes thrust and the right term becomes mass flow rate times velocity.Some documentation derives thrust for a jet engine in the general case, from conservation laws as mass times velocity of exhaust minus mass times velocity of intake. Adds the nozzle, introduces pressures then simplifies for the special case of rocket engines and leaves a term attached that gives vacuum thrust as mass flow rate times velocity PLUS exit pressure times exit area.This gives the correct difference between vacuum and sea level thrust but overestimates vacuum thrust to begin with.I'm sorry can't tell you what to read, I'm rusty and this isn't my area of expertise.
>>16278887>upper stage>engine RUDso? this is a manufacture issue. I'm not even a musk fanboy but probably will be fixed soon.stage 1 landed just fine.again, are you retarded or just pretending?
https://x.com/rookisaacman/status/1811786433482706978
>>16278893https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1811788709345509377
>F9 grounded>no Dragons can reach ISS>shartliner astronauts are actually trapped now
>>16278896Jeff Bezos will personally pilot New Shepard to save them
>>16278892>so?irrelevant>this is a manufacture issueirrelevant>I'm not even a musk fanboyirrelevant>probably will be fixed soonirrelevant>stage 1 landed just fineyou guessed it, also irrelevant.an explosion occurred on the second stage of a falcon 9 rocket. anyone who is saying that is not wrong or retarded. I'm sorry if this is hard for you to grasp.
>>16278887Do you understand the difference between the engine and the whole second stage? There is no fucking way it still can deployed Starlinks if the whole stage exploded.
>>16278901>the explosion wasn't too big thoweird cope but you do you
yeah, he's just pretending. move on, don't feed the troll
>>16278902So do you think the second stage exploded or not?
>>16278902Who are you quoting?
>>16278908>>16278901 but I paraphrased their point. which was that the second stage didn't explode because it was able to deploy satellites and any explosions to the contrary can be ignored.
>>16278893>transparent when issues arise>refuse to release video of engine exploding>refuse to say if they will be able to save the Starlinks
>>16278868OFT5 launches August 15
>>16278829>spacex gets grounded for a mishap>boing gets to keep flying even though they're killing hundreds of people and have two more stranded in space????????????????????????????????
reminder that the second stage experienced an explosion as reported by Elon musk. anyone trying to deny this is extremely delusional. No this does not mean the whole stage disintegrated.
You people are overreacting
reminder not to keep feeding the trollretards
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYQxG4KEzvoa whole ass video about elon that features tesla, twitter, sex scandals, but barely anything about spacex
>>16278910the engine exploded, not the second stagethat is a pretty important differencewhether it can be ignored or not is another matter which you just made up
>>16278893>>transparent when issues arise>SpaceXLMAOO
>>16278917We are not. Musk isn't that young and will risk a heart attack from this grounding.
>>16278912Assumption Day - When Catholics believe Mary was taken up to Heaven.
https://x.com/AndrewParsonson/status/1811716555324915828lmaoo
>one functionary in the Rocket Branch (safely in Washington) who had apparently been reading Captain Horado Hornblower, wanted us at NARTS to build ourselves a 10,000- gallon tank, fill it up with 90 percent peroxide, and then drop into it—so help me God—one rat.Thanks to whoever posted ignition a few threads ago, been having a blast reading it.
>>16278824frost on the 'ster
>>16278931uhm, did no one tell him about A6 problems?
>>16278891okay another question. What if the rocket engine is a weak engine with a subsonic exhaust speed. Will there then be a suction drag or no. And if the engine increase power until supersonic exhaust speed will suddenly suction drag appear suddenly.
>>16278931hehehehe
>>16278931We all know that Falcon flew many times successfully and will fly many times successfully after this launch.
spin prime
>>16278936>>16278824
>>16278732>>16278733>25 launches out of starbase next yearhow likely is this? keep in mind we're likely to only get 4 launches this year out of a projected 9 total.
>>16278951depends how quickly they can get catch and reuse working I would say.entirely possible if flight 5 booster lands in reflyable condition, but I don't really expect that to happen.
>>16278951hmm even at that rate its one launch a month next year
https://youtu.be/St-yEc6fyLgTHE END OF SPACEX
>>16278938When the flow is subsonic there isn't a distinction between thrust and suction losses, the pressure differential drives exhaust velocity directly. At an extreme case an absolute chamber pressure of one bar at sea level will result in nothing happening, no exhaust velocity, no thrust, no losses, no mass flow rate. In a vacuum even one bar would produce something, not anything worth calculating though.Suction losses would suddenly appear (and thrust would increase) but that's besides the point since exhaust velocity is a function of nozzle geometry and insufficient chamber pressure would result in the jet failing to attach.Either way even cold gas thrusters reach supersonic speeds.
>>16278957This reminds me of the first airplane crash. It is only downhill from here, no one will want to fly on a plane after this
>>16278951If there's no real issues, it should be fine. There hasn't been any issues so far yet. So I think it will be fine
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1811805798940422533the starlinks are fuckedhttps://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=sl-9-3
https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=sl-9-3>However, a liquid oxygen leak developed on the second stage>As such, the satellites will re-enter Earth’s atmosphere and fully demiseOWARI DA
>>16278970
nasa and boeing are going to open full page spreads in multiple news outfits on monday with hit pieces on how dangerous and reckless spacex is due to this failure
It's actually owari da.
FALCON 9 FLEET IS GROUNDEDAAAAAAAAAA
it was bound to happen eventually. and the way it happened is not exciting, a small lox leak.
>>16278975Good? It's warranted
>>16278975>nasa Take your meds and count to ten before posting
>>16278950>>16278945https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyu9bOKtS5s
so it was a LOX leak
boring
>>16278985Yeah, we saw the liquid leaking and ice forming a lot. The question is whether its a bad Q/A or if there was new anomaly/interaction that is uniquehttps://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1811807843005399134
>>16278988>The question is whether its a bad Q/A or if there was new anomaly/interaction that is uniquewhich is worse for spacex? I'm going to say new interaction. if it was just bad QA they can fix that validate existing hardware pretty quickly. design changes could take a long time.
>>16278988it was a joint hit squad with drills from ULA, BO and Arianespace
>>16278989Neither are really worse. Maybe bad QA is worse from a pipeline pov and they are too lax with some standards. This would mean they would need more rigorous verification process all around. New interaction means novel new thing thats an interesting find ofc.
>>16278973>>16278251>>16278226>>16278895https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1811805238699131093
>Each pass through perigee removes 5+ km of altitude from the highest point in the satellite orbit. At this level of drag, our maximum available thrust is unlikely to be enough to successfully raise the satellites.https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1811805147833729260
They had the camera view, they saw the leak happen, and they had onboard sensors, so should be quick to isolate the cause imo
https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1811805768582082991They just did the spin prime test for the booster
>>16278117they should have always had 600 lbs to spare, even if it meant cutting out some gay shit
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1811808946451054903
>>16279005this. second stage reuse from now on!
>>16278502moving away from vacuum tubes and iron core memory was a mistake, I tell you hwat
>>16278657>>16278641The F-22 loses an estimated 10,000 pounds of thrust by having rectangular nozzles; they're definitely not for efficiency's sake.
>>16278789yeah, at exactly T+4:07
https://x.com/relativityspace/status/1811816997367480755
>>16278560>Hellas is really good cause it's so deep that pressure gets about twice that of earthummm you mean Earth atmosphere at 40k ft vs 80k ft?
>>16279025Dang you guys post shit before me.. Bleh..
>>16279026Sorry I meant mars, not earth.t. retard
>>16279027you've gotta step it up nigga
>>16278560>HellasYou mean Greece right lol
>>16278932Ignition! is mandatory reading. Informative and entertaining. (almost every rocket fuel they could think of was tried in the early days, with the baffling exception of methane)
>>16279032>GreeceYou mean grease right lmao
>>16278932>been having a blastso were the rocket fuel testers
>>16278829Just launch anyway chevron defence doeant work now
>>16278865SAVE US JEFF BEZOS, YOU'RE OUR ONLY HOPE.
>>16279037a lawsuit would take far longer
Any webms of the moment of the owari da?
>>16279048Nope, stream was cut before the first burn was completed, failure was on the second burn
>>16279048There is no real owar da moment. Ice buildup and leaking during first 2nd stage burn. They didn't stream the relight attempt.
>>16279048leak occurs at t+4:07
>>16279048The engine exploded after they cut the feed
>>16279033>almost every rocket fuel they could think of was tried in the early days, with the baffling exception of methanebut they did try methane as fuel, just not with oxygen as the oxidizer>NASA itself, have concentrated their efforts on OF2 and the light hydrocarbons: methane, ethane, propane, 1-butene, and assorted mixtures of these. (In most of their motor work, they used a mixture of oxygen and fluorine as a reasonably inexpensive surrogate for OF2.) All the hydrocarbons were good fuels, but methane was in a class by itself as a coolant, transpiration or regenerative, besides having the best performance. The OF2–methane combination is an extremely promising one. (It took a long time for Winkler’s fuel of 1930 to come into its own!)
>The streak is deadDamn. However there's now a chance that the consecutive successful landings streak could overtake the launch one, which would be funny.>>16278911>>16278922I'm sure they're more transparent with their customers, especially those that are actually going to ride that rocket.
does someone know coordinates/water depth at the booster splashdown site? is it possible to reach with scuba without fancy gas mixes?
https://x.com/payloadspace/status/1811821419811967275>The space sector contributed $131B to American GDP in 2022, according to the most recent and precise analysis by the US government’s Bureau of Economic Analysis.https://payloadspace.com/the-growing-space-economy-is-doing-its-part-to-fight-inflation/
>>16279047Keep launching, they wont be able to keep up
Do you guys not understand what just happened?? STARLINER CREW IS STRANDED IN SPACE FOREVER. FALCON 9 IS NOT ALLOWED TO SAVE THEM
>>16278553pippa debooonked thunderf00t though
SpaceX will be shut down by FAA and liquidatedIt's over
>>16279078they'll come back on Gaganyaan
>>16279067>However there's now a chance that the consecutive successful landings streak could overtake the launch one, which would be funny.how many consecutive launches are we at now?
>>16279078Boing lucked out
>>16279068nice try Chinese agent. Bet you want to take a look at those engines
>>16279005some intern didn't tighten the blumbing good enough and this happened.
FAA just announced SpaceX can't be trusted to deliver high energy payloads to precision bullseye orbits so their assets will be liquidated and given to ULA to takeover
>>16278998will they use the Satellites remaining time in orbit to provide internet services
>>16279078couldn't an unmanned Dragon go up on a Falcon 9 though? Can an unmanned Dragon be sent up and remotely docked?
https://x.com/FronteraSpacial/status/1811797499775971528reentry, its ogre
Imagine if that upper stage exploded over a populated area, we need to shut down SpaceX before they kill someone, even if it saves one life it's worth doing
>>16279101>Imagine if that upper stage exploded over a populated area of Mexico.ummm nah no biggie.
https://x.com/rookisaacman/status/1811786433482706978Holy shit Jared is PISSED, never seen him this mad before, it's over
>>16279090as if there wasn't any enough high res photos from all angles online. it'd be a really neat dive if it's not too deep. tell em you wouldn't want to do it
Do we really want people to fly on Falcon 9 knowing how upper stage can just randomly blow up?I think not, we need to bring the good times of Space Shuttle back and restart the program
>>16279098anon, they'd need to admit that they have a problem and ask for help. can you imagine what a PR disaster that would be? think of the shareholders
>>16279098What part of Falcon 9 being grounded don't you understand?
>>16276704>other customers for SLSHow much death threads / bribery would be necessary to make this happen? I don't think even Congress can pull this off.
>>16279098>Using death trap known as Falcon 9 to send anything into orbitMight as well set that dragon on fire, would be cheaper
the rolling success rate of F9 over the last 1 flights is 0%
>>16279115We need to start pulling the orbiters from the museums ASAP, once we get them to the Cape and top up their tanks they should be good to resume operations by the end of the month I bet, but only if we act with urgency and don't let the SpaceX cult members get in our way.
>>16276772That doesn't explain their refusal to serve food using utensils.
>>16279131Musk cultists will do anything to prevent sensible and reasonable government run space program, imagine using a rocket with a capsule to send people up, it's not 60s anymore, I don't even
>>16279120no dum dum, I mean in an emergency couldn't a falcon 9 take up a Dragon to bring down stranded astronauts, yes it would be despite this anomaly with last night's Falcon 9 second stage, what I'm really asking is can an unmanned Dragon dock with ISS not for you to reiterate what happened 12 hours ago.
I'm so upset
>>16279101literally CSS tier dunning kruuger
>>16277579After most of the CO2 snows out of the atmosphere (this happens at relatively high temperatures, due to the immense pressure of the Venusian atmosphere) it can be packed up and shipped off the planet with mass drivers.
>>16279144look, I'm sorry that you're not allowed to ride the scooter in the hallway but it just isn't safe
>>16279139how do you think cargo dragons are docking? a little goblin in a tiny cockpit steering the capsule?
>>16279127>It was me, Elon, the source of all your pain this whole time. *maniacal laughing*
>>16277913Put weights on top of it.
>>16279149Have they ever remotely docked a crew Dragon, more smug than smart one?
>>16277715In space, anybody who tries to do communism will suffer a mysterious airlock accident.
>>16279099>exploded and entered the earth in my countrystage 2 just flew over my house!
I'm so upset that anon is so upset
>>16278097To be fair, "endeavor" is the normal modern American spelling of the word. The shuttle used the British spelling because it was named after the HMS Endeavour, Captain Cook's ship.
>>16279158Messi will lose
>>16278931>Ariane 6: 0/1 = 0.0% (lmao)>Ariane 5: 115/117 = 98.3%>every Ariane rocket combined, going back to 1979: 252/262 = 96.2% >Falcon 9: 361/364 = 99.2%>still time to come back on Ariane 6
>>16279154If your tension/compression gets too crazy then instead of something going slightly wrong your dome just explodes
>>16278691President Polk was angry that his negotiator left Mexico with so much dirt.
>>16279165>counts every ariane family rocket failure>doesn't count falcon 1 failures
>>16279160More than upset, I'm pissed.
>>16279168What could have been. Look at all that rocket launchable coastline
>>16279149yes
>>16279167not an inflatable dome inflated to .5 bar and subject to just 38% earth gravity
>>16279168We need to bring US imperialism back, just for this
https://x.com/SpaceBasedFox/status/1804522662955483583
Theoretically, if they wanted to send a crew Dragon up to the ISS, but launch it unmanned, does anybody here know if the crew Dragons are outfitted with the same equipment (ie radars/computers/data links etc) that allow cargo Dragons to rendezvous with and dock to the ISS, thus allowing an unmanned crew Dragon to do the same? Does anybody here know the answer to this (please, anybody except that same bozo who doesn't know the answer but keeps telling me "Falcon 9 is over dude!")
>>16278829does this make any sense?Did the second stage produce a debris field? Is there any risk to the public at all if this happens again?Why are they treating this like a passenger airliner? Shouldn't they just suspend crew flights? What happens when we have thousands of launches per year with an amazing safety record, and one failure grounds a massive fleet and spaceflight economy?
>>16279189Makes no sense, FAA need to stay in their lane
>>16279189didn't even happen in the air. how is it federal AVIATION administration jurisdiction?
>>16279177>inflatable Not what we were talking about. That guy was arguing for structural domes, I posted >>16277663
>If the Falcon 9 is out of commission for an extended period of time, it could mean rolling setbacks for NASA’s astronaut launch schedule, SpaceX’s orbital space tourism efforts, the company’s satellite internet service, and the global commercial satellite industry, which relies heavily on the Falcon 9.
>>162790870 (was 320 or so, plus 10 Heavies)Landings are somewhere around 200 I think>>16279155>>16279187Anon...>>16279165It is kind of funny banter. Just not the kind you should post on Linkedin or make when your rocket just had a very similar failure.>>16279189Rocket didn't adhere to flight plan, so it gets investigated. But as you point out the risk to public is likely minimal, so they probably won't do much except follow the investigation.
>>16279193Chevron Deference got tossed by SCOTUS so SpaceX should sue the shit out of the FAA for making up rules they have no congressional authority to enforce.
>>16279194same way the IRS is asking for shekels of US citizens, even if they life and work in another country.
Seriously, what the fuck is FAA doing, are they retarded?
>The two Starliner astronauts went to space without two suitcases they packed with clothes and toiletries because NASA needed to squeeze a bathroom pump on board their flight. It’s not yet clear whether NASA will be forced to delay that resupply mission. holy shit whatWHAAAT
>>16279198so you don't know the answer either or are you the bozo?
>>16279187we already established its a little goblin piloting it. works the same with crew and cargo version
>>16279204all government agencies are power hungry it seems
>>16278318>>16278494>>16278502https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1811846102385328528https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/07/nasas-flagship-mission-to-europa-has-a-problem-vulnerability-to-radiation/
>>16279216>The Clipper mission has launch opportunities in 2025 and 2026, but these could lead to additional delays. This is due to the need for multiple gravitational assists. The 2024 launch follows a "MEGA" trajectory, including a Mars flyby in 2025 and an Earth flyby in late 2026—Mars-Earth Gravitational Assist. If Clipper launches a year late, it would necessitate a second Earth flyby. A launch in 2026 would revert to a MEGA trajectory. Ars has asked NASA for timelines of launches in 2025 and 2026 and will update if they provide this information.>Another negative result of delays would be costs, as keeping the mission on the ground for another year likely would result in another few hundred million dollars in expenses for NASA, which would blow a hole in its planetary science budget.
>>16279212so I'm sensing that nobody here knows whether an unmanned crew Dragon, (to reiterate: a CREW Dragon with NO pilot aboard) can be remotely controlled to rendezvous with and ultimately to dock with the ISS and then be accessed from the outside to allow human entry into said vehicle. It's OK, I'll wait and ask again later when there's other anons here, maybe somebody will know then.
>>16279099
>>162791104chanx needs to update to allow embedding x posts
>Europa Clipper MOSFETs fucked>Falcon 9 second stage engine blew up>Ariane 6 second stage re-light failed>Starliner stranded and astronauts maroonedwhats next? Starfactory burns down and the launch tower falls over?
>>16279226It used to have but twitter API change or something made it not function anymore
>>16279225Imagine them falling on someoneSpaceX must be cancelled before they kill people
So some people are arguing that SpaceX should slow down the production and launch so they can be safer. What makes more sense?100 launch per year with 1 failure every year?or10 launches per year with 1 failure every 10 year?
>>16279222why do you think a cargo dragon could dock independently but a crew dragon could not?if not, the modification should be relatively straightforward
>>16279232More like 100 launches per year with 1 failure every 6 years
https://x.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1811840870389256230
>>16279232Any failure is bad when it can kill peopleSpaceX must be investigated or even shut down if it can prevent just a single death
>>16279237what the fuck
>>16279235Well, how about this.Year 1: 100 launch with 1 failureYear 2: 100 launch with 0 failureYear 3: 100 launch with 0 failureYear 4: 100 launch with 1 failureYear 5: 100 launch with 0 failureYear 6: 100 launch with 0 failureYear 7: 100 launch with 0 failureYear 8: 100 launch with 1 failureYear 9: 100 launch with 0 failureYear 10: 100 launch with 0 failure3 failures in 10 years vs1 failure in 10 years
>>16279239Sydney Sweeney school of fashion
>>16279241Why dont we despose of the FAA for good? Who's with me?
If FAA is a legitimate organization, the investigation would be done in <2 weeks. If its just a grift, it would be 1+ month delayIf its evil, it would be 6+ month delay
>>16279169My point was that Falcon 9 is more reliable than both Arianespace's incoming and outgoing rockets, and that it has also had more successful launches (361 vs. 252) than every Ariane rocket combined.
>Boing crashes the same plane twice killing over 300 people>Everything's fine folks, just keep on flying them>SpaceX has upper stage failure on uncrewed Falcon 9>CANCEL THAT EVIL CHUD RIGHT FUCKING NOW
>>16279222the docking procedure is autonomous anyway so i dont really see why it couldn't. i assume other maneuvers and/ or can be remotely/autonomously carried out too but im not sure right now
>>16279207Shitter was full.
>>16279237really, this conspiracy theory drivel is what the space force uses for promotion?
>>16279226>>162792294chan X hasn't been updated in over a year; I think it's more or less abandoned. Xitter embeds work fine for me with the 4chan XT fork.https://github.com/TuxedoTako/4chan-xt
>>16279260ah the cycle of 4chan extensions, thanks anon
>>16278318JUST GO TO VENUS, URANUS, AND TITAN ALREADY YOU BLITHERING IDIOTS. These are literally the most straight forward missions they can do and yet we'll have to wait until we're a bunch of old men possibly see a chance to have them realized.
>>16279260Awesome, it works with my 4chanX config too.
>>16279257boo hoo nigga, movies about faking the moon landings have a fine premise.do you also get mad that abe lincoln didn't actually hunt vampires?
>>16279222Obviously it can, the hurdle as I see it would be NASA objecting to an upper stage parking in the same plane as the ISS where it could potentially explode and send debris into higher apogee orbits (as explosions do).When CRS-1 had a flame out on the first stage they threw a shitfit and didn't allow a second stage reignition. The second stage wasn't even involved in any capacity but it is this time.
>>16279272NTA but yes.I also hate fateshitters.
>>16278691To think we could all be migrating there if we had kept it
>>16279168Such an easier, shorter border to defend too, we really fucked up
stage'd >>16279314>>16279314>>16279314>>16279314>>16279314also pi get
non faggot staging>>16279321>>16279321>>16279321>>16279321
>>16279114But you could look at the turbines and materials
>>16279231Oh, so the BRILLIANT PEBBLES faggot isn't pipe up now? Interesting
>>16279245This is an unambiguously good idea. The real problem with the FAA is the "Federal" part. There's still going to be a procedure for launch licensing no matter what, but imagine how things would be if independent regulators at Cape Canaveral, Wallops, and maybe Camden, Georgia were all competing to have the most responsive process so they could attract the most business.
>>16279222crew dragon has the same equipment as cargo dragon>>16279245can't be done until we have the high ground>>16279359I like this idea
>>16278897
>>16278950is this loss?
>>16279316>>16279322how do I decide
>>16279425pick the one that isn't gay as fuck
>>16278997F
sorry chuds. falcon 9 is being grounded for 6 months due to that MISHAP. Meanwhile Starliner will return and fly again after a flawless mission. Who's laughing now?
>>16279125It ain't fucking happening, period.
>>16279425The first one always wins, thems the rules
>>16279237>>16279239She's so nasty. Only reason she's popular is because the media brainwashes NPCs into lusting for her. Literally just go outside and you can easily see dozens of women that are 10x prettier than her. 20 minutes ago I went out to buy a milk shake and the woman behind the window at the dairy bar was beautiful and kind, not a fish faced bitch like johansen.
>>16276674How is this science related?
>>16279072good find anon
