expansion edition previous >>16904906
>>16907921
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2020452348728869249
>>16907930>these vehicles are going to worksuperheavy already works. its starship that is the brick.
>>16907916Starlink still seems ridiculous to me.
>>16907930>just matter of timeuh oh
>>16907934The top looks very russian now.
>>16907934what an unsightly rocket
Cancel Gateway
>>16907934>Elon: I'm building the N1(M)
>>16907934is this the first fully frosted starship booster? Older versions had gaps right
https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1qxcj5p/inside_elon_musks_125_trillion_ai_and_space/
https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/2020343332313133393
https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/2020439352820830418
>>16907949>N1 rocketsnot spaceflight
>>16907864https://x.com/arithmoquine/status/1908288939586445324
>>16907931Fully expendable clameshell starlink carrier starships literally when?
>>16907950stay frosty, my friends
>>16907952>work began on merging xAI and spacex soon after tesla investors agreed to elon's trillion dollar pay package>people close to elon and some xAI investors were pushing for a deal because the AI startup was burning too much money>banks approved the merger after seeing how profitable spacex was>twitter being absorbed into X was the blueprint for xAI being absorbed into spacex>before the merger, several executives left xAI because of concerns about its management and financial health>spacex was valued as high as $1.26 trillion, but elon wanted the number rounded down to $1 trillion>some spacex investors are upset with the merger because xAI investors gained a larger stake in the dealhttps://archive.ph/70Kryso its as bad as everyone feared. spacex is being used to bail out xAI. an actual deadweight around the company's neck, threatening to bring spacex down with it.
also keep in mind that spacex is no longer profitable because of the merger...the company is now losing $4 billion a year
>While Viasat has no plans to join the rush to deploy orbital data centers, the satellite operator sees a role providing the communications links needed to connect such systems with users on Earth and other spacecraft.
>>16907967maybe, maybe notStarlink is growing very quickly so even if the combined entity was cashflow negative for a quarter of two, it might not be by the end of the year anymorexAI also raised 20bil like a month before this merger happened so they have a lot of runway, a SpaceX IPO will raise like 50bil at a minimum as well so more runway
>>16907968>W-we’re part of the team too, right guys? Guys?
One month left until Starship explodes again
>>16907977the internet said so, so it must be true
Im still excited about Artemis 2!sorry, just not gonna complain about stuff!hahahahaha
>>16907984>73% chanceThose are rookie numbers
>>16907985the fuck? are you some kind of spaceflight enjoyer??don't tell me you actually want mankind to leave earth?! you sick lunatic.
>https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/02/russian-spy-satellites-have-intercepted-eu-communications-satellites/>Luch 1 and Luch 2 are unlikely to have the capability to jam or destroy satellites themselves, the European intelligence official said. However, they have probably provided Russia with large amounts of data on how such systems could be disrupted, both from the ground and in orbit.>Maj. Gen. Traut said he presumed the Luch satellites had intercepted the “command link” of the satellites they approached—the channel linking satellites to ground controllers that allows orbital adjustments.>Analysts say that with such information, Russia could mimic ground operators, beaming false commands to satellites to manipulate their thrusters used for minor orbital adjustments.>Those thrusters could also be used to knock satellites out of alignment or even cause them to crash back to Earth or drift into space.Shit's going hot in space.
>>16907999Aw shit, forgot pic
>>16907996>are you some kind of spaceflight enjoyer??i confess it. and proudly
>>16907999Can't the satellite send a encrypted challenge that must be answered correctly for the command to be acked.
>>16908007satellites can do whatever the fuck they want
>>16907977I do wonder how bad it'll be if V3 gets to have the same track record as V2.
>>16908007I am no expert, but I would say that there are some users that can't pay for encryption and getting telemetry data, even if encrypted it can still tell you things like: this package series is for maneuvering, this is internal status, this is for checksum... etc.That is assuming that intelsat 39 uses cryptography for telemtry and it is properly done so of course, if it is not, then well yeah shit's fucked.But I am not an intelsat satellite operator, so idfk
Is Kessler syndrome just a meme?https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/02/congress-advances-bill-requiring-nasa-to-reconsider-deorbiting-space-station/
>>16907934Why is V3 so ugly.
>>16908029You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
>>16908025>https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/02/congress-advances-bill-requiring-nasa-to-reconsider-deorbiting-space-station/>“While still currently in development, vehicles such as the SpaceX Starship are being designed to deliver significant amounts of cargo to these orbits,” NASA officials wrote in their analysis. “However, there are prohibitive engineering challenges with docking such a large vehicle to the space station and being able to use its thrusters while remaining within space station structural margins. Other vehicles would require both new certifications to fly at higher altitudes and multiple flights to deliver propellant.”I don't think anybody had the ISS in mind when talking about doing anything but stationkeeping or deorbiting, much less with the ammount of multinational frankenmodules involved.
>>16908025>Is Kessler syndrome just a meme?yep, just like the climate change hoax
>>16907921Don't agree with this. When they were first building on the protected land, I thought it was okay because the impact was minimal, but now spacex is being greedy and expanding beyond their small testing facility.
>>16908040spacex should be required to spread beetles to mars
>>16908000Have to laugh at how Lurch is "intercepting" these EU satellites while being 10s of km apart, but Musk's plan to carpet the sky with AI satellites 50km apart is "plenty of space for competitors".
>>16908040bait or retarded
>>16907878It's a backer reward in her crowdfunding project to send items to the ISS.https://ssc.sorae.info/projects/oshi
>>16908046By most definitions the 400 km LEO orbit is USA territory just by sheer industrial might.
>>16908040oh no, not the swamp
>>16907921EVERYTHING in this image should belong to SpaceX. I don't give a shit about wildlife, Mars is more important than some fucking ants.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2020429188885631305
>>16908054>Mars is more important than some fucking ants.Moon*
>>16908045Fill the first ship with beetles. Then they have a good chance of being spread.
>>16908067dont forget the seals
>>16908065LEO*
>>16908067i've seen this movie before
>>16908072Suborbital testing regime*
>>16908040>protected landIf you actually wanted to protect the land, you'd donate it all do SpaceX but with a stipulation on the maximum size of the launch site. The rest of the area could be an exclusion zone that's closed to the public. People dropping trash and trampling over the dunes and vegetation does more harm than rocket launches.
>>16908067>>16908070The Martian Piped Plover, a delicacy among the colonies.
we goin exponential
>>16908089that looks worrisome
>>16908089This looks cool.
>>16908089Implessive levels of kardashev II space faring civilization, west has no chance.
>>16907968Send a tug up and move their satellites to mars where they can be useful
>>16908089looks like the 21st century space race is real
>>16908089That looks like a bunch of french fries
>>16908102kek
>>16908087expendable (edible) seals are the future. they are more tasty after exposure to loud noises.
>>16908102they copy everything
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2020555787441946999
I don't use twitter, if I wanted to see people posting on it I'd just go there myself.
>>16908109>https://www.russianspaceweb.com/spacecraft-military-soyuz2-2026-0205.html>Coincidently, the number of payloads released in the mission was the same as the one delivered during the Soyuz launch from Plesetsk on May 16, 2024, when a trio of Rassvet satellites for Moscow-based Buro 1440 (INSIDER CONTENT) was launched but in a considerably higher orbit.What is Russia up to now?
>>16908102>gweilo can only think of fast foodthe joke tells itself
>>16908110Aw shit, did not mean to reply.Still, relevant tho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey01u4M69WE
>>16908040Think of the BEETLES
>>16908045>spread beetles to marsspacex could have spread at least one beatle to the moon, but this particular beetle was reluctant and the whole mission ended up being cancelled anyways.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot6WB9tNOW0
https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/2020524185957564606
>>16908126why the weird protrusion
I don't want to go to work tomorrow. I want to quit.
>>16908129do you want money?
>>16907968How is Viasat still alive?
>>16908131same reason there were like 2 million AOL subscribers. they don't know enough to know to switch. it's an information deficit
>>16908089>launchesWhat's up mass?
>>16908133>-2000 social credit
uh oh https://medium.com/@carmitage/exposed-letitia-james-can-put-elon-musk-in-prison-for-over-100-years-here-are-the-receipts-b7b59c5c19fc
>>16907930>>16907934I like how it still needs multi-story co2 tanks to prevent the engines from catching on fire.
>>16908131common sense skeptic goes into DETAIL babout how and why Viasat is the better alternative to Star*ink
New road closure>Massey's to Production>February 8 11:59 PM to February 9 4:00 AM
>>16908145Engines on B19Pad 2 is ready to static fire
https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/2020577118715813895>Pad 1 construction as seen yesterday:
https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/2020553336983019544>Gigabay as seen from yesterday's flyover. Its 24 bays will allow for the mass production of Starship.
https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/2020551017134236109>I flew over Booster 19 yesterday
https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/2020543149781725221>Massey's and Booster 19.
>>16908152who lives in the house there
https://x.com/whoisheartbreak/status/2020556453384233340
>>16908142No fire suppression needed when there no confined spaces for fire to accumulate.All those COPVs are for start gasses
>>16908156its a tiki bar
from the 1000'-foot view all of the complaints about tools being stolen and crappy foremen seem to appear meaningless
https://x.com/cnunezimages/status/2020301051660759104>Lookin a little ... - February 4, 2026
>>16908158Stage 0 bros? What was the point?
>>16908089China is an amazing country
>>16908154Heat shielding fir the dome? Looks weird and kinda complicated
>>16908139Litigious James is going to Federal prison followed by a fast-tracked execution under the law.
new munly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGwmywlr-vY
>>16908040After we exiled the boca boomers... after we incinerated the beetles... after the piping plover were pulverized... after the crabs were cooked, and the ocelots turned to dust. You actually thought I cared about "spaceflight"? You thought we were going to space for the betterment of Earth? No.I am going to space for the glassing of the Earth.
>>16907934Unfathomably based
>>16908168source?
https://lavieohana.medium.com/starship-iv-the-future-cc07c4b66544
>>16908025Wonder why this wasn't the first option
>>16908139>Pedon Musk is a criminalyou don't say?
>>16908127Methane production site
>2026>there's still people who support the Hart–Tipler conjecture
>>16908187How many hundreds of satellites has Musk already and it's not even 1% of the capacity they need? Would you even be able to launch into space safely without crashing into a satellite in the future?
>>16908193>Hart–Tipleralium probes are iPhone sized. so of course we don't see them
>>16908194hundred of hundred
>>16908194don't worry, with starship spacex will be able to launch hundreds of AI satellites at a time
>>16908194Don't worry, Elon has graciously allowed a 50km gap between satellites to fly through.
>>16908129Save me elon musk save me optimus I want UHI I am turning anti-work, not in the reddit communist way but in a based star trek idealized human society way. I am tired of the slavery to modernity I just want to be awarded the fruits of surplus and technological progress :/Also maybe a manned Mars mission if it’s not too much to ask
>>16908139Kick that nigger bitch off the rocket!
>>16908166GSE still needs it because the rocket isn't moving and gasses can pool when nothing is moving and there is no windIn flight there is going to be so much air flowing around the engines without the shielding so there is never going to be a high enough concentration of CH4 to sustain actual fires.Same on ship in the AFT attic, with the attic gone from V3, gasses can flow into space freely and not build up
>>16908194Elon wants us all dead so he can fuck all our girlfriends
>>16908154>Let's just tack weld some thin sheets on top for protection!That shit is cursed as fuck.
>>16908194You only need a coupla starship to launch Optimus to the moon. once there they build a mass driver and trillions of AI satellites to consume our sun
>>16908200Satellites move at like 10km/sec so best be quick!
>As of January 2026, the consists of over 9,422 satellites in low Earth orbit (LEO), according to the most recent Wikipedia update. Of these, approximately 9,347 are active and functioning, while others are in the process of deorbiting or transitioning between orbital shells.>The number continues to grow rapidly, with SpaceX launching new batches of satellites—typically 25 to 30 per Falcon 9 mission—on a near-weekly basis. Starlink has already surpassed the 9,000-satellite milestone and is on track to reach its planned limit of 12,000 satellites, with potential future expansion to 34,400 or even 42,000 satellites, subject to regulatory approval.>This massive constellation now makes Starlink the largest satellite network in history, accounting for 65% of all active satellites in orbit.Thanks Grok.
>>16908212@Grok is this true?
>>16908212>9,422 satellitesAmazon has a bit of caching up to do. No wonder they are trying to build satellites with wider coverage instead.
>>16908212b-but he promised 42 thousand, he's a conman
>>16908133>What's up mass?does china even do a significant number cubesats like other countries? their mass ratio per satellite might be decent.
When do the old starlinks start falling down?
>>16908219thousands have already
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-PlAutKMkw>"Is B19 taking the punishment for B18's failure?" | SpaceX Starbase
>>16908222Our actual greatest ally
>>16908222based sanae
>>16908222wtf lmao
>>16908222isnt that the new japanese prime minister who swept to power like some japanese trump?
>>16908229yeah
>>16908229Cool, I hope she rearms Japan and nukes China.
>>16908222PR Character-chan is so cutehttps://www8.cao.go.jp/space/prize/sixth/poster.pdf
https://x.com/Mikeggibbs/status/2020513834021101698
>>16908249Thanks for bringing the opinion of some literal who to our attention.
>>16908249I could've winged it.t. math degree
>>16908249ah yes, a young engineer fresh out of college with zero experience is more knowledgeable and reliable than someone with a bachelor in physics and 24 years of experience in an aerospace company, of course.
>>16908249>twitter nobody said...>leaf and alphabet people emojisWho cares?
>>16908249>you cant be an engineer because you dont have an engineering degree!lol LMAO even
>>16908249We really do need to boot Jeremy Hansen off of Artemis 2, the leafs are wearing their goodwill so thin
>>16908257Correct
>>16908249I can already picture it in my mind: media and normies blaming musk/the private industry if artemis II ends up killing its astronauts...
>>16908259go back a hundred years and a large % of the men building the modern world learned by starting as a apprentice at 14 years and put in front of a lathe. most of them would be much more skilled than a fully educated modern engineering graduate at the same age.
>>16908263they wouldn't even know where to begin with CnC or JIT supply chains.
>>16908264JIT is a scam
SpaceX bros...
>>16908264they'd figure that out really fucking fast. and in doubt, they could turn, drill, cut and handfile you a steel part that works just as well as if it was made with a CNC mil.real world experience > fancy education
>>16908268make payloads, not more rockets
>>16908268Thanks for the heads up. Just shorted the IPO.
>>16908268>20000 m/s exhaust velocityNuclear is over...
>>16908268>2 years ago and nothing sincethis guy really thought he had reinvented the wheel
>>16908274 https://www.astromecha.co/news
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2020637610884857934
>>16908286grim
>>16908286its’ over
>>16908286i think its moon first because of HLS. thats a big contract and spacex desperately needs revenue now because xAI is causing them to bleed insane money.
>>16908286Good. Mars '026 was an impossible boondoggle. Moon and LEO industrialization first so we have an industrial base to move from
>>16908290SpaceX is subcontracting xAI?
i wonder if moon first was the price of getting isaacman the nasa admin job
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2020640004628742577oh fuck so it does seem like the mars plan has been basically fully abandoned for now
>>16908294 (Me)Holy fuck, I did not know about this. This is retarded as fuck.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2020636494785024426
>>16908298that's not spacex's mission. and it never was.
/sfg/ - Elon Musk Twitter generalalso, I'm pretty sure the switch from mars to the moon was known already? why are you goys surprised?
I remember seeing the dragon moon flyby announcement in like 2016. Been a decade, lmao
>>16908298Uh yeah… I was pretty unaware of that
>>16908249Love him or hate him, but this guy hit the nail on the head. He's right, and that's why you hate him.
>>16908300>boring yet overly busy adwho approved this? its terrible
>>16908298I don't see why everyone is up in arms So long as access to space is very cheap, it doesn't matter what comes next in what order
>>16908290>>16908291>>16908295>>16908298Moon or mars it doesn't matter.Starship needs to be operational first. Both require tankers and depot functioning with launches on a regular cadence. The moon at least gives a since of urgency instead of dicking around till the 2028 window.Truthfully, I think what happened is both NASA and BO are accelerating. Artemis II seemed really far away until just recently with assumptions there will be delays that never happened. Blue Moon is real.
>>16908298Priority - a thing that is regarded as more important than anotherAbandoned - give up completelyNow that you know these definitions, please explain to me how the Mars plan has been abandoned?
Holy fucking shit never thought I'd see the day, he's come to his senses! Was really worried we'd end up with a situation where Artemis III happens (delayed or not) and SpaceX then pivot to Mars, leading Artemis to scrap by with Blue Origin/lesser companies while SpaceX is preoccupied with establishing a foothold on Mars and the end result is US human spaceflight is stretched thin and inefficiently spreading on Moon and Mars.Now with the full Lunar focus we're gonna see acceleration like never before I think
>>16908312>please explain to me how the Mars plan has been abandoned?mars is now 20+ years away for spacex
>>16908268This is EXACTLY what we need. They call it an AEROSPIKE. Elon Musk fuck is shitting his ass when he finds out. Good riddans musk
the moon is a harsh mistress
>>16908318just like your mom
>>16908315>20 years
so where is elon going to get the methane to refuel starships on the moon?
>>16908315>SpaceX will strive to start building a Mars city in 5-7 years
>>16908298>>16908315Im in my 30s. What are my chances of being alive for this?
>>16908323nowhere, SpaceX will now shift to the superior highest performing rocket fuel (LH2/LOX) just as NASA intended
>>16908323From Mars
>>16908323fermenting moon cheese
hhhhaahhahahahhhahaahthe moon
>>16908325That depends on whether they develop effective rejuvenation technology within the century
>>16908330ah shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDgCNMANCFI>SpaceX Acquires xAi To Help Launch Orbital Data Centers
>SpaceX is rolling in cash, Starlink is generating more profit than all of NASAs budget>in fact, elon probably isn’t even serious about HLS. If anything it will be a side-project. But the HLS contract? They don’t even need itThis was like 2 months ago btw.
>>16908333>yes, this should help with the IPO
t-thunderf00t status?
>>16908286holy based
aliens are laughing so hard at us right now they're in tears
>>16908323>refueling?
>>16908286Moon first, then Mercury (lowest delta v to anywhere), then incorporate SpaceX on Mercury, then colonize Venus' atmosphere, then Mars
2 weeks, 50/50, fusion is 10 years away, mars is 20, taxes, and death
Mars takes a back seat to Moon.Moon chads get winning
Member Musk’s Melty?
>>16908345its only bad on mobile
>>16908346yep
WHAT A LUNATIC!
never IPO
>>16908310>Truthfully, I think what happened is both NASA and BO are accelerating. Artemis II seemed really far away until just recently with assumptions there will be delays that never happened. Blue Moon is real.I think this is right. SpaceX is feeling some actual competitive pressure for the first time in a while with BO's recent successes with New Glenn and all of their recent announcements about their future ambitions. The indefinite pause on New Shepard flights to focus on the Moon is probably what really drove it home that BO is actually serious now. Maybe Elon, Shotwell, etc. are getting worried that if they don't get serious themselves about HLS that they could risk losing the Artemis III lander contract to BO?
>Get your ass to Mars!Sorry, Buzz. Sorry...
>>16908348I'm not on mobile and being given an impromptu shape rotation test every fucking time I want to post is just not fun, crazy that this is the first captcha 4chan ever implemented that defeated me, I'm going back to twitter.
>/sfg/cord has closed invites until after the IPOGood luck to those still posting here
>>16908354>buzz was 39 years old in this piche looks like he's 59
>>16908357Insanely high test, they don't make em like that anymore
>>16908345>>16908348>>16908355Quit activating every anti-fingerprint/tracking measure or atleast whitelist 4chinsCaptchas are based on trust of your browser fingerprint and cookies. They get easier as you are more trusted, but this requires your browser fingerprint to stay the same and cookies preserved.They become trivial eventually
Wow the shuttlefication of an entire company, bravo elon
>>16908361i have a whole browser just for 4chan on mobile. its never gotten easier.
defeat the from of clutching victory jaws
>>16908363Also depends on IP to a degreeIt never got easier when moving around on a mobile network but being constantly on a VPN to my home network and it did get easier over time
>>16908361I figured it has something to do with that but I cbf figuring out exactly what, nothing changed in terms of cookies or browser used, its just as soon as they implemented this new captcha it never got easier, never got the "No verification required" all day like I used to with the previous captcha
Alright so do >we just pretend like this was the plan all along and collectively act like a ten-year Moon base plan with power and data centers and AI in space has been the logical next step this whole time, or do we just eternally lament the fact that Mars just got hella rugpulled and stay salty about the whole thing?
>>16908369>Alright so do >we just pretend like this was the plan all along and collectively actisn't that what /sfg/ does every single time Elon changes plans?
>>16908370delightfully counterintuitive
>>16908369Like I said in another post it doesn't matter when starship refueling isn't operationalBoth are extremely close after that happens
>>16908345Filtered
>>16908372Yeah maybe a shitty Mars flyby or Phobos visit. We aren't getting boots on Mars until at least circa 2060 now
Bros I just want cities in space
>>16908375everyone wants that. the moon was happening with or without spacex. but mars and the rest wont happen without spacex.
>>16908298Isn't methalox kinda shit for the moon? In regards to ISRU.
>>16908298JUST LAUNCH THE FUCKING ROCKET ALREADY AAAGAGGHH)$/($#(:*¨´
>>16908369the pivot makes sensebut I do really hope that they start doing something mars related with the 2029 launch window even if the priority shifts to the moonbut elon tends to go all in on one thing, solves that and then does something else5-7 years might mean that 2029 is ignored then
>>16908378>Isn't methalox kinda shit
>>16908378yes
>>16908378Yeah zero (0) carbon deposits is a teensy weensy problem
>>16908378>>16908385The overgrown pringles can isn't refuelingRefueling is a mars thing because interplanetary travel is much more expensive than moon operations
shit
a bunch of "moon city" tech will be transferable to mars as well
>>16908386but it takes a lot more fuel to land on the moon since you can't aerobrake
see you guys in 2 weeks when musk switches sides again and tweets that mars was actually the priority all along, and then sfg agreeing with him
>>16908391Nah jared told him to gear up or the HLS contract is going to bozos
>>16908377>the moon was happening with or without spacexLolLmao
>>16908389everything is transferable to mars...because there's nothing on mars. its a blank slate. mcdonalds is transferrable to mars.
>>16908395are my app points transferable?
>>16908391>mars was actually the priority all alongyou mean venus
Morale at boca chica has got to be lower than Theia right now
>>16908399Why? They actually have a goal now, not just vague Mars nonsense that they knew was never going to happen this year
>>16908385Yeah the scientists who literally never went to the moon told us all about it
>>16908387Based on>Idk some black and white pics I guess
>>16908390What if I built a big catch?
Oof the amount of carbon in earth rounds to fucking zero. Good luck living there
>>16908397>venusDon't worry, anon! Mother Russia will realize your dreams with their upcoming Venera and Phobos missions, this time for real! Launch NET 2100**surviving beyond LEO is not included.
>>16908405Hey dumbass it's called having an atmosphere with CO2 and a biosphere that is carbon-based that creates huge localized deposits. Stop talking about shit you don't know about
>>16908406I volunteer to be in the landing crew.
>>16908387shit? thats the exact same as earths crust but with more iron
>>16908390Moon landing and take off is about 4km/sMars landing and take off is about 5km/s with the majority of that being on ascent.Aerobraking is out of the question for each so Mars has to deal with both a transfer to earth and braking for capture. The ship is also heavier compared to an HLS lander.HLS however just has to exit the moon and enter LEO and there are some low energy maneuvers that can be done to make it cheaper to go from LLO to LEO
>>16908405>7.5% of Earth's crust is composed of Artificial Intelligencehuh
>>16908410>thats the exact same as earths crustOne of the most important confirmations of the apollo sample returns, actually
soon the moon will have a thin atmosphere made of dust and rocket exhaust
who lands first, BO or xAI?
>>16908387Don't tell me. I bet it's>silicon dioxide>iron oxides>calcium oxide>aluminium oxide>magnesium oxideGuess that's why we need that lunar nuclear reactor.
>>16908407It's called tongue my anus nigger
>>16908298marsbros...
Told you. You'll still get a ride on Bezos' ship though, he probably won't even turn your shitty dirtball into more o'neill cylinders.
a moon just flew over my house
>>16908417I reckon it'll get stripped by solar wind about as fast as it accumulates.
Is there a bigger dickrider than Truthful, who just says>erm this was the obvious plan the whole time moron
>>16908443yes, Real Engineering on youtube. I'm not even sure it's a peson, it might be completely generated by LLM and """AI"""
>>16908446real engineering has EDS
>>16908447LMAO, no. Real Engineering is literally a Musk shill channel.
>>16908259>Thomas Edison>Nikola Tesla>the Wright Brothers>Henry Fordi guess none of them were engineers then huh
>>16908144>cssHas he killed himself yet now that spacex has not one, not two, not three, not four but five launch towers in progress?
>>16908317good morning saar and good riddans
>>16908452you're retarded
>>16908369I supported a moon first approach the whole time, so I'm dancing over Elon finally getting with the program.
A just to think a few months ago a lot of people were like "we just lost the moon".
o'neill chads, we won
>>16908286>>16908298
>>16908462
The Moon? We're uhhhh, going back there
>>16908462Bezos gets second-mover advantage, whereby Musk gets to sell all the lies and then weed out all the retarded ideas upfront and then bezos the hare is right on some things
>>16908467What would an average normie think when they see a stupid tshirt like that
>>16908379First we lost zubrin to COVID/Ukraine brain rot, and now we lost musk to ai grok bots (on the moon). Howard Hughes arc in full swing
>>16908482The average normie thinks, acts, talks, drives their car slowly in the left lane, and otherwise operates as if they have already had a lobotomy; so quite frankly I don’t care
>>16908378You don't need propellant to get off the moon
>>16908487How hard would it be to make a mass driver capable of putting, say, 150T to LLO?
Does sfg think Musk will have people on the moon again by 2030?
>>16908488Why would you need 150T?10T is plenty for starters, just use it repeatedly
>>16908490And what exactly is being sent up
>>16908491Everything of course
SN1 to orbit October 2020
I can see space colonies becoming a reality before 2050 if China decides to target US satellites
>>16908494That’s not going to happen
>>16908357Freemasonry ruins the soul, no wonder he looked like a fossil already
What did he mean by this?https://x.com/torybruno/status/2020536196628193504
You guys are really not smart, or funny
>>16908500Some posters are funny, occasionally
>>16908498Tory bruno was an active poster on r/spacexmasterrace during the thick of mlg montages and okbuddyretard culture
>>16908298I am vindicated
>>16908323They'll simply zerg rush the Moon with thousands upon thousands of barebones cargo delivery variant Starships which will themselves be used as raw material. It'll be a huge push to get some landing pads and the mass driver built.Then they'll find oil on the Moon.
>>16908323Ummm helloooo? Braphogs
>>16908505I guess we do need gassy latinas
>>16908504If that happens, scientists will kill themselves
>>16908369I've always thought the Mars plan was nice but lacked a solid financial and logistical foundation. I figured Musk would just be throwing money into a hole for an idealistic cause, and that was based.This pivot seems pretty solid to me. The orbital compute layer is a good excuse to get a critical mass of people living offworld.
>>16908323they'll just use mass drivers for moon launchall electric, like God intended
>>16908509>The orbital compute layer is a good excuse to get a critical mass of people living offworld.Yeah this.It answers the "UHM so what will you DO in space exactly" question
I wish von Braun was my dad
I'd like to see what the "spacex charter" tards have to say on this matter. Because from my perspective, it just got thrown in the dump lmaoOnce they go public, we'll never leave earth.
>woke up just to see that it's actually over for realElon better hope that starship doesn't fall over on moon.
>>16908298You gotta love how the baitposters know anons won't actually read what Elon said.
Question for you spaceheads: are you guys just into this like some people are into mechanical watches? Do you actually think this is important, or just personally interesting to you?
>>16908525I don't have any other friends
>>16908518No investor can force Musk to do anything
>>16908525How is it not self-evident to you that this is the most important thing happening in our era of history?
>>16908541AI is the most important thing. And space is just important for launching stuff into our orbit, which is basically solved.
>>16908369I was always in the "Moon makes sense for rapid iteration" camp and in general thought a Mars mission wasn't likely before the 30s but this "yeah we're totally gonna strive to do a Mars mission in 5 years maybe, 7 years definitely" does make me quite concerned considering what usually happens to projects that Musk calls maybes, plus timelines. I'm gonna be smug for five more minutes about 1s being Musked once again before accepting that they'll just smugly act like this was always the plan, changes nothing, five years is the same as 2028, and Musk timelines are always realistic just like all the other times.
Why do you even want to go to Mars in such a hurry? Don't you want space travel to become cheap and routine so you can colonize Mars properly?
There is some carbon on the moon and hydrogen is easily obtainable through ice. Maybe raw carbon can be imported to the moon to make methane out of that and moon water for a semi in situ solution
>>16908553Importing carbon to the Moon is a good reason to colonize Mars, since the launch costs are much lower than from Earth.
>>16908525the first colony in hundreds of years is kinda important
>>16908554why would you send carbon from mars to the moon when earth is right there? Martians need to keep their carbon for farming and other things. The moon can rely a lot more on imports
>>16908556Once Mars is operational, it might be slightly cheaper to import from Mars due to the lower escape velocity.
V9 starship will make it to Mars, trust the plan
>>16908558maybe one day we will see stuff like that but for the rest of this century earth will be the biggest source of everything
WHY isn't orbital construction of reusable ships to transfer from one body to another not part of anyone's plan? Just a few starships or BONG rips could build quite a lot
>>16908560But I want it now
>>16908562Because there's nothing out there yetWe need a reason to be going into space first, then it will make sense to have transfer ships.
>>16908565we're planning to establish bases on the moon
>>16908500To be fair you have to have a very high IQ to understand the sophisticated hunor employed here
>>16908567Why
>>16908576s'cool
>>16908525>Do you actually think this is importantspace colonization is currently the #1 goal of humanity. earth is in rough shape and rapidly getting worse. it might be terminal, and space is our only way out.
Thread has shaped up nicely this evening. One of the most active in a while. Gonna read through to see what I missed.
>I'm reminded of an art piece I once saw of a child with a rocket toy in front of a Soviet space future mural. Basically the juxtaposition of the future you were promised, vs the actuality of it never occurring and just having it be stuck to your imagination.
>>16908587
>>16908552Mars wouldn't feel like that if decades hadn't been wasted getting something significant on the moon.
>>16908323There are deep coal deposits and oxygen can be extracted from the regolith
>elon thinks a city on the moon is more feasiblesure, ok, maybe it is, but somehow i dont think spacex will fund it out of their own pocket
>>16908392I don't give a shit, and so shouldn't he. Bezos can have the Moon, Elon can have Mars. Carve up the heavens like the Treaty of Tordesillas
>>16908249>sls has problems because of elonspacex snipers confirmed
What we think is more or less irrelevant, but as far as I know, SpaceX employees were quite on board with Mars. Exchanging this for the Moon and AI data centers might be bad for morale/recruiting.The fact that they're changing priority that rapidly ("The Moon is a distraction" was last year) is also pretty bad in itself. After all it was one of the advantage of not relying on government programs and election cycles. And that's even without talking of the whole becoming a public company thing.
>>16908590Trump's no looker either so it still tracks
>>16908602>What we think is more or less irrelevantwe need money if we want to be heard, lots of it
>>16908502Do you think he lurks?
>>16908604Do you have 1 trillion dollars lying around?
>>16908222One Hundred Million Votes
Elon is not really in charge of SpaceX. Gwynne Shotwell and the MIC are. This isn't so much a 'pivot to the moon' as it is a requirement to fulfil their HLS contract and for national security (cislunar development)
Well /sci/ do you support the the current thing?Who is excited about the moon!
if elon wants to do the moon then lets push the moon as hard as we can so we can move on from it as fast as possible
>>16908312MIC wants the moon so there's money there, SpaceX is going public so there's never going to be any money for Mars. It's over faggot, stop coping
>>16908298>self growing city on the moon>no nitrogen >no carbon >no waterHe's just making shit up
>>16908635I'm out completely, I'm done hoping. Nothing out of this scam artist's mouth has come true. He hyped up a bunch of engineering students with promises of manned spaceflight so he could use their discounted labor to build a telecom company. That's all it ever was.
There's no need to make self sustaining city on moon because you can just supply shit from earth.
>>16908645There is water and self growing was specifically used instead of self sustaining as many materials will need to be brought in from earth. But could be recycledISRU what you can, import what you must
>>16908650>>16908649At first material has to be brought up from earth but eventually it will all be mined and processed off world. If he's not an idiot this is about in-space manufacturing. The city thing is a ruse to draw in impressionable young talent to work for SpaceX.
What is the value in the Moon?
>>16908650Meaning whenever the money dries up it's over, no matter what we've brought there. Historically that means a year of moon first followed by half a century of nothing
>>16908654In-space manufacturing what, dumbass? You're making up conspiracy theories to try to convince yourself things are somehow still going where you want them to. It's over!
>>16908656Hence the ai datacenter solar panel and radiator factories + mass drivers
>nasa decides on site for a moon base>nasa builds something there, temporary, permanent, whatever>spacex builds their own commercial site adjacent to itis that how this works? what's the business model for spacex?
>>16908659uhm, AI!
>>16908657Components for AI datacentersHave you not been paying attention, at all?
>>16908658Manufacturing data centers on the moon? Is that actually what you're saying? That's all scifi nonsense meant to drive up the stock price for investors that don't know anything about space. Which you should know if you've been here longer than a year
>>16908661a city is a place for people to live. its not a factory producing parts for data centers.
>>16908661You're stupid, I'm sorry. You're a fucking idiot unfortunately
>ship materials for satellites to moon>build satellites >launch satellites from the moonWhy the extra step?
>>16908663Eventually spacecrafts have to be manufactured off world if you truly want to scale up. 1TW+ of space solar is not doable because you would have to launch tens of thousands of Starships. The rocket equation is a bitch for space development. Whereas if you have cislunar production facilities you can make them there with resources mined and processed in the region and deliver them to GEO at little cost.
>>16908668You actually drank the koolaid. That's all asteroid mining tier investor bait nonsense. You should know better.
>>16908668Where does the fuel come from? Ships will run on magic?
>2036>spacex job postings>wagie for ai data center factory on the moon>pros: low gravity fun!>cons: 12 hour work days, 6 days a week, company town, nothing to do, radiation, brittle bones, management likes to limit your air if you get uppity
A radiator is just a block of aluminum, you can build the chassis of the satellite from that as wellBO has demonstrated some ISRU solar panel from lunar regolith simulant, but maybe some trace elements need to be imported for the most efficient setupThe chips and sensors i.e the guts of the satellite will be imported, then these will be combined as one AI dataventer satellite and shot into orbit with a mass driverProbably switch the stationkeeping engines from argon hall thrusters to something elseThis is going to be easy compared to actually building a fully self sustaining city on mars
>>16908671do we even know how HLS is supposed to be refueled yet?
>>16908667You will get most of the mass from moon ISRU, so the effective functio al satellite mass from earth will be higher
>>16908668I just learned the person who promoted this idea is an investor in the fusion company Trump's truth social partnered with. Idk how I feel about that.
>>16908671Fuel for what?Ghe moon has water, which means oxygen and that is the vast majority of starship propellant massMaybe you could even import some carbon and make methane by ckmbining with water derived hydrogen
>>16908649A very high initial cost to get something self sustaining anywhere is the problem. If that magically existed there wouldn't be much reason to send a lot from earth.
>>16908663Just the solar panels, retard
>>16908671also the mass drivers are not going to need any fuel, they run purely on electricity
>>16908680how are they going to get the solar panels onto the satellite bus?
Would (You) like to be ground station crew on the far side of the Moon?
>>16908249bruh his name is actually gibbs
>>16908682in a factory on the moon, importing the chips and other difficult to manufacture relatively low mass parts
>>16908682The expensive shit will be delivered to the moon and combined there
It's a really good move pivoting to the moon. Closer to us and far easier. See all the ideas its already generating in this thread? When people are united in one cause it makes it much easier to succeed. Can we just all unite behind developing lunar factories? Pls pls pls.
>>16908689Musk has been talking about the lunar factories for like two months now
>>16908668>Eventually spacecrafts have to be manufactured off worldThis will literally never happen
>>16908691Sorry but we're doing it. NASA is cleaning house getting rid of the unambitious naysayers. America will secure the Highest Ground.
>>16908689it doesnt matter if its good or not...he says he wants a city on the moon but all he's talking about is automated factories that dont require any people
>>16908694No automation is so perfect that it can't benefit from some people on site
>>16908694we don't have robots that are advanced enough for setting that up yet
>>16908672>pros: low gravity fun!>cons: low gravity stops being fun after a few days.
>we don't have the technology>we'll never solve the cooling issue in space>we'll never build factories in orbit>we'll never industrialize the moon>we'll never develop terawatts of space solar powerNASA will be replaced with geniuses with can-do attitudes only. People who don't care for your skepticisms. They just make things happen.
What about thermionic solar instead of photovoltaic? It would only require aluminium and glass, no doped silicon.
>>16908673Ohhh just aluminum, ok sure. >half a ton of carbon is used per ton of aluminum Aww :(Please try learning something
>>16908701Yeah NASA got to the moon by ignoring all physical constraints and fanatically following a scam artist
>>16908707You can smelt with concentrated solar. You don't need carbon electrodes
>>16908711Prove it
>>16908707using carbon anodes for the electrolysis isn't mandatory
>>16908710scamming 10k satellites up into LEO lmao
moon city 2050
>>16908715>LEO>Moon
We aren't playing a video game here where the presence of aluminum ore means that you can just hand wave the steps to an aluminum radiator. Especially when you're considering the business case, the scale and complexity here matters a lot.>>16908711There is no temperature at which aluminum oxide releases its oxygen without additional chemistry. >>16908713It is at an industrial scale. There is no replacement.
>>16908717you forgot the mass driver
>>16908715>promises exciting manned spaceflight >only actual accomplishment is the thing that makes him money You're so close
>>16908719there is this thing called research and innovation
>>16908723You don't understand, there's no point in doing the cool manned stuff until starship is completed. Ignore that starship is optimized for a LEO constellation
>>16908727Unfortunately there's also this thing called physics and chemistry
>>16908730https://www.blueorigin.com/news/blue-alchemist-powers-our-lunar-futureyou're retarded
>>16908737
>>16908739
>>16908739>electrodes made from ceramics or metalsReally sounds like a solved problem
>mass drivers on the moon>millions of optimus robots with their brains located in spaceelon is one step away from world domination
>>16908735any halo players here?
>>16908742https://www.alcoa.com/products/elysis
>>16908745Elysis is years old at this point. Look, any annode will require a complex recycling line to the point where you can start comparing capturing the carbon dioxide and turning it back into graphite. The benefit of mars is that you can run this outside constantly and even mesh it with the supply line that makes natural gas. On the moon, it's all increased complexity and cost. That's all this is. Every step is a factory that needs to be manned and built and then there's no longer a business case. Also, I appreciate what you're doing, but frantic googling is no substitute for knowledge
>>16908744Too bad Bezos wants to make O'Neill cylinders instead of ring stations.
>>16908728I just find it funny that in the midst of a computer hardware shortage or whatever, there's plans to throw that hardware into orbit and to burn in atmosphere in a few years afterwards when it goes obsolete.
>>16908749its not frantic googling, its 5sthe point is that this isn't impossible like you make it seemyou have no vision, you don't even entertain the idea and trybut its going to happenany anode might require a recycling line but its non-consumable and the mass used is de minimis compared to the mass of aluminium processed, then that doesn't matteryou can ship them back, or just ship in new anodesmaybe set that recycling plant up at some point if its actually necessary
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2020848181433491910
https://x.com/beffjezos/status/2020837729731551341
>>16908754It isn't about vision, it's about cost. Cold, emotionless, unexciting calculation of labor, materials, and transportation. I think people have forgotten that Elon's case for Mars was unique. An eccentric billionaire personally bankrolling a city which would eventually become self-sustaining. There's no need to justify the sunk cost to anyone, and there's a light at the end of the tunnel where the money can stop flowing and it still exists. There has never been a business case for manned space, or operations on the moon or Mars period. Nothing has changed. Any claims to the contrary is cope. We got excited for a very specific reason, which has now been soft canceled (2 years in Elon time is a decade, 5 to 7 years means never)
>>16908758>moon to marscope is terminal
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2020836688466215254
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2020832004062019826a
>>16908762Can't wait for v5 which is 300 tons
>>16908763upping the ketamine dosage i see
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2020829121916412129
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2020845358151266513
>>16908766you should lower your tranny hormone dosage
>>16908769ok he's retarded
>>16908770Coping AND seething now, are we?
>>16908773no I mean that unironically
>>16908759things have changed a lot actually with the unending demand for AI computethis wasn't the case before
>>16908776>unending demand for [thing that can be aquired on earth]I've heard all this before. Nothing has changed.
>5-6 years in Elon time What is that in a real time? Never?
>>16908131Biden admin gave them bunch of contracts to compete against Starlink
>going from moon to marsWasn't that NASA plan?
>>16908783yes
Remembering better times.https://youtu.be/0qo78R_yYFA
>>16908525I just think it's cool, I don't really care if humans live or die but space colonies are just a cool concept
>>16908783The NASA plan was to shut up the Mars heads by pretending their MIC moon grift had anything to do with it
>>16908757The delay between attempts was always going to cause delays, because it rarely doesn't explode the first time.
https://x.com/robert_zubrin/status/2020831591950631387
I, for one, have always thought making a habitable moon base (or huge ass space colonies) is more feasible and logical than going straight to Mars.
https://x.com/JeffBezos/status/2020861883524247807
>>16908792Would be funny
you can also send oxygen to LEO with the mass drivers for Starship refilling, so this could help mars launches directly (other than economies of scale and rapid iteration that a moon base would mean for starship itself)
>>16908789>Zubrin vindicated
>>16908790That's because you're retarded and don't know anything >>16908799>you can produce several hundred tons of oxygen and then launch it from the moon for cheaper than launching it from Earth
>>16908801oxygen will be a byproduct of aluminium smelting
>>16908404Mass driver in reverse. Aim carefully!
>>16908804Then it's basically free! That's definitely how this works!
uh, marscucks? you okay?
This thread isn't alive, it's full of tourists looking for anger, despair, and other emotions and baiting for them when there's less than they want.
People are finally starting to realize just how retarded Musk and SpaceX's "mission" is.
>>16908792https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2020874043667226748
>>16908699>we don't have robots that are advanced enough for setting that up yetOptomos
>>16908814yes eventually, not now
>>16908701Yeah I don't care about any of those things
>>16908814lol
>>16908806Add a skyhook and thrusters on the craft and the whole thing starts to seem possible
>>16908750Benzos wants to do whatever Elon is doing. He will announce ai data centers mext
>>16908813is he just always on drugs these days?
>go all in on an architecture optimized exclusively for mars, near useless for going to the moon>just as it's getting ready decide to suddenly abandon mars plans and pivot to the moonyeah this guy is fucking retarded, I'm killing myself
>16.6% gravity
What about a very long hose to LEO to pump fuel?
KWAB!
>>16908821>tries to land starship on moon>falls over
My post on r/nasa about this moon pivot got DELETED instantly
>>16908821>architecture optimized exclusively for marsDo you actually believe this? It's optimized for launching a leo constellation as cheaply as possible. You know, the thing his actual business is doing? Goyim are so easy to hype up. Tell them the right lies and you can get them to do anything and everything. Then, when you don't give them anything in return, they'll negotiate against themselves about why it's still fine. No wonder Elon and Trump are friends
>>16908789Zubrin got off Mr Musk's wild ride years ago
>>16908827It was probably for a clerical reason like you making an account five minutes before using it to post you dummy
>>16908821Elon is a genius. You are Boo Boo the fool
>>16908829Well back in 2016 starlink didn't exist yet.
The Starlink money was used to bail out X/xAI. Now we need a new cash cow if we want to go to Mars. Elon thinks capitalizing on aislop is the way, so we need to get on board. Stop whining
>>16908834neither did starshit
>>16908834>>16908838Back in 2022, AI wasn't shaping up to become the thing that it is, and didn't have a plausible path to a business plan.
>>16908839>didn't have a plausible path to a business plan.still doesn't
>>16908596of course he won't. He will suck the teat of Artemis for as long as Trump is in power, using it to get valuable testing for Starship. He'll move back on to Mars when the moonbux dries up.
>>16908840It's doing better than people think but not as good as OpenAI and Oracle banked on.
>>16908840yes it does, OpenAI and Anthropic are making a lot of revenue, its just that to keep up with the competition they have to keep building more and morebut if they stopped, they would be profitable
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/2020873182341681658https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/02/has-elon-musk-given-up-on-mars/>The first change is that the one company with the potential to seriously challenge SpaceX in spaceflight over the next decade, Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin, has finally started to deliver. The company has now flown, and landed, its New Glenn rocket. Multiple sources have told Ars that Bezos has told his team to go “all in” on lunar exploration. This includes development of a crew transportation system, Blue Moon Mark 1.5, that does not require orbital refueling. This raises the possibility that Blue Origin might land humans on the Moon before Starship, a threat sources at Starbase say SpaceX is beginning to take seriously.>The other major change is Musk’s obsession with artificial intelligence and his view that AI and space are increasingly intertwined in their ambitions. SpaceX and xAI recently merged, and a major focus of Musk going forward will be to construct orbital data centers to provide enormous computing resources for his vision of humanity’s online future.
>>16908848
>>16907966Someone's gotta pay up for all that grok csam >>16907984You need to read polymarket rules carefullyThat market is basically a bet on splashdown vs successful catch Might actually put cash down on that because it's been heavily signalled they aren't going to attempt a catch with the first v3's and splashdown means boom
>>16908386>>16908390Just use Starship scaleup to build a lunar space elevator
>>16908829If that was true they would just build more falcon 9 launchpads instead of wasting billions on a clean sheet design of a completely unproven rocket with features completely useless for launching bulk cargo to LEO. They also started work on starship years before starlink even existed, never mind being proven to be a viable business.
>>16908845The paid triers of ChatGPT don't even cover the electricity costs of running it, never mind the free one. It's purely propped up by investors.
>>16908853It's not about generating more near term profits. Investors care about the future projections and your market share. By building this super LEO optimised bulk hauler SpaceX can stay ahead of competition. New Glenn is a more capable vehicle than Falcon 9, and if Bozo builds a LEO optimised stage 2 then it could also be cheaper.
>>16908849>we weren't going to Mars any time soon anyway, so at least something gets done this wayberger dropping the trvke
>>16908848GenX has been completely oneshotted by AI
>>16908822To be frank, 0.38g on Mars is probably too low as well.
>>16908789True, but they don't exist on Mars either.
>>16908849Shouldn't any effect mostly be on the Mars base plans? The ship still needs to be built, and keeping people alive for that long is still necessary. Once they can send one, an attempt each time until something lands in one piece can still be done. That was probably going to take a few tries before risking humans.
Not a one of us will ever leave this accursed atmosphere. We're all going to die in here.
The way I see it: we just pour money into DeepMind, they will solve Navier Stokes, which will lead to better rockets.
The idea that Mars would be the first to have a permanent prescence was always retarded tbqhwyf. Just because it has higher potential than the Moon doesn't mean it should be first when we have zero experience
>Promise the moon by saying Mars is the goal>Actually go to the moonThey don't think it be like it is, but it do.
>>16908861Yeah, so less than half that is even worse.
>Extracting thread details>Compressing long prompts to reduce tokens while preserving meaning.>4chan /sci/ SpaceX general (/sfg/ expansion edition). >Starship V3 booster fully heatshield-tiled ("frosted" appearance, called ugly/Russian/N1-like). >Elon tweets vehicles succeed soon; Superheavy reliable, Starship problematic. >Mixed Starlink views. xAI-SpaceX merger concerns: xAI bailout, profitability loss, IPO impacts. >Russian Luch spy satellites intercept EU comms, potential disruption risks. >Minor Artemis sarcasm, ISS deorbit debate, Kessler meme, Boca Chica environmental gripes.>Core debate: Elon pivots Moon over Mars. Lunar city/factories proposed for AI data centers — ISRU solar panels/radiators (aluminum/glass, regolith simulant demos), import chips/sensors, assemble satellites, electromagnetic mass driver launch to GEO. >Advantages: closer/easier than Mars, water ice for oxygen/propellant, electricity-based drivers, scales space solar power (TW+), bypasses rocket equation limits via cislunar production.>Counterarguments: missing carbon/nitrogen, non-self-sustaining (Earth resupply dependency), high initial costs, radiation/bone loss risks, hype for contracts/IPO/investors, perceived Mars abandonment, MIC/Gwynne influence over Elon, automated factories need minimal humans (robots insufficient yet).>Sentiment mixed: some excitement for lunar industry stepping stone, others pessimism/scam claims, calls to push Moon quickly then return Mars. Ideas include in-space manufacturing, thermionic solar, concentrated smelting. Overall active discussion on spaceflight feasibility/economics.
We got seriously close to Elon cancelling Starship HLS, and now he's going all in because Benzos scared him? Bipolar
HLS is not even the same vehicle, what's the plan for spacex only mission? Starship docking with HLS for crew transfer?
>>16908874There is no SpaceX only mission. They didn't even want to go to the moon unless NASA gave em 3 billo. Now they definitely not going unless NASA pays them 100 million per commercial lunar flight. And Mr Isaacson will give it to em
But Elon wants to build ai on moon
We missed out on Apollo era orbital data centers.
>>16908683yes but only if I get to mine hydrogen with my robopal :D
>>16908750cylinders are a gateway drug to ring worlds
>>16908883>noooo don't leave me alone with ample free time to pursue my hobbies in total isolation! Ahhh I'm going insane! Help me, GERTYman!What was Sam's problem
>>16908883this guy was such a good bait and switch. you think hes going to be the evil HAL robot that kills his crew but actually is nice and helps them.
>>16908886dude would have been dead within 2 years from the radiation poisoning the korean hacks who built the station didnt even bother to shield. it wasnt the "clones dont live long trope" it was radiation.
>>16908885Surely a ring world an extremely inefficient version of a cylinder? Halo fucked up by having gay ass agartha style shell worlds when the forerunners (ancient humans) were obviously lead by Jeff Bezos and built huge cylinder versions of the halos for dedicated habitation.
>>16908867That's because it was always empty hype and vaporware
>>16908886he was horny(((their))) biggest mistake was not cloning his hot gf too.>>16908887I stood up and clapped when he typed in the password.>>16908888>it was radiation.fuck, how did I not realize something this simple. I suppose this makes the ending more optimistic than I thought.
>>16908889Rings are just chad. Tubes are just beta
>>16908889>forerunners (ancient humans)
>>16908897wasn't that retconned by 343
>>16908298>10 more years bro
>>16908892>fuck, how did I not realize something this simple. I suppose this makes the ending more optimistic than I thought.if you watch the (pretty shit) movie that happens i the same universe then you can briefly see a bunch of clones arguing in court
turns out AI was the great filter this whole time
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2020902239506780185
>>16908898Yes. Humans were so obviously forerunner in the bungie games. It's a gnostic story about us discovering our own divinity and overcoming extinction through it. Tranny devs didnt like that for some reason.
>>16908904Also the humans are righteous, and the covenant are a wicked multi racial society controlled by prophets (jews) who create strife within the covenant to maintain their own control, and ultimately attempt to genocide the elites (whites) and replace them with a mongrel race, because the elites are too hard to control and many recognize the falsehoods of the prophets.
>>16908904This is true
>>1690889910 best 15-20 worst case. 2031 is still on. You've got to believe.https://youtu.be/IiPJsI8pl8Q&t=842
>>16908635it's fucking over, the tweet is corpo speak for Mars is cancelled.
if the option between moon and mars nobody will pick moon except literal actual tourists
I'm seeing Moon landing denial going properly mainstream now that the attention is brought back on it.
I get that this is mostly informed by the difficulty of developing Starship. Still gonna enjoy seeing all those "Mars of bust" leech influencers pivot.
>>16908912how will they explain livestreams from the moon?
>>16908914They will just say it's fake because it doesn't look real, like they always do.
>>16908719The moon is a vacuum if didn't know. So you can just distill the metals off at different temperatures after you vaporize the regolith
>>16908911Tourists are smarter than sfg..sfg only breathes anonymous farts
>>16908758>using Tesla techBro is retarded
Elon has a lot of experience building mass drivers with hyperloop
>>16908872It's a bit too information dense to my liking
just when people started realizing that going to mars was a terrible idea, he conveniently changed his mind...and, as we can see in this general, his followers are in the process of adjusting their brainwashing. lmao
>>16908922kek
>>16908789WOW, first spaceflight-related tweet from Zubrin in years? is sfg's king back in the game?
>>16908890I believe that he believed it (and still does) though.
>>16908089What can we do to stop this?
>>16908924its still the plan, realistically this pivot towards moon might not even slow it down because most things will be transferrable
>>16908931why should we stop? lets accelerate.
>>16908909fun fact: that screencap is actually from 14 soon to be 15 years ago now.
That podcast with Musk, the jeet, and the Brit (?) was so bad jesus christ. Had to stop listening half way through. Musk's a given, but all three are terrible talkers.
>>16908874>launch HLS>refuel in LEO>launch crew on dragon >dock and transfer>moon trip on HLS>return to LEO, docking with dragon, transfer>reentry on dragonwould there be any problems doing it this way?of cause NASA would throw a tantrum if it didn't use gateway, if it ever gets built.
>>16908934Because I don't want chicoms polluting space. They need to stay on Earth. Space is for Americans and a handful of japs.
>>16908939>return to LEOThis part, it would require shitloads more refuels.
>>16908940>AmericansVisajeets?
>>16908939HLS starship has to actually work
>>16908943There's no other kind of jeet
>>16908940should have thought about that before financing them through chase and other banks and offloading 90% of your manufacturing industry there.
>could've landed on the Moon years ago with an enhanced Dragon and FH>pivot nowlmaooooooooooooo
>>16908945doesnt need to reenter. so the biggest problem is out of the way
