THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF THIS """""SPORT"""""
why should denmark be allowed to break the rules?
>>142197721rules are rulesyou people are never happy
Following the rules is ..... LE BAD
>>142197721NOOOO YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW THE RULES BECAUSE... YOU'RE JUST NOT OK????
The toy story graphics always get me kek. It's like salt in the wound somehow
>>142197721The rule can be stupid, I agree
>>142197721>NOOOOOOOO HOW DARE YOU FORCING THE RULE!
>>142197789based fellow rule enjoyer
RIGGEDRIGGEDRIGGED
>>142197721>it's just a toe>it's just a foot>it's just his leg>it's just his bodyWhere would you draw the line?
>finally have the technology to get every offisde call right, no matter how tight it is>NOOOOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!
>>142197721>NOOOOO, DENMARK SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO SCORE AN OFFSIDE GOAL BECAUSE IT WAS VERY CLOSELow IQ retard detected
Anyone who claims the question is about precision is a troll or stupid. The question is how to rule an unfair advantage for the attacker. Keep in mind that the defender has, or should have, an incentive to keep up with an attacker that gains possession of the ball.
>"JUST TRUST THE PICTURE GOY, CAN'T YOU SEE HE'S ONE CM OFFSIDE?"
>>142197877This offside rule is stupid as fuck. The offside must be applied when the attacker has clear advantage in situation. What advantage did dannish player gain by being 0.5mm offside?
>>142197721Can I put my 2cm of my dick inside your mom?
>>142197721wow such an advantage
>>142198173Just say "all of it"
>>142197721kek fucking football mate. There are too many goals being scored each game, better make it more difficult !
Post the penalty kick replay, lets talk about rules :D
wasn't there something about they were going to make it you're offside if your entire body is beyond the last defender?
>we MUST NOT allow any subjectivity in calling offside even if it was in a position that no human could ever have called, and for no advantage gained>Also that hand was in an unnatural position>IT JUST WAS, OKAY!?
>>142197721fifAMG
>>142198255S E E T H I N G
>>142198164who decides what's a clear advantage and when it's present?
>>142197721IS THAT MOTHERFUCKING TIPTOE OFFSIDE? AAAAAAIEEEEEEEEEEE ALERT ALERT I'M GOING TO RING THE BELL
>>142198068>let's go back to games being won by players being 5 meters offside
>>142198054By whether or not his position gave him an advantage relative to the defenders line and whether he was overstepping it or not. The scientific method is never just the evidence alone. You make a conclusion with it in consideration but also make the right conclusion based on all the factors involved. This is why we had referees and entrusted them to make decisions based on their experience in the sport as an official or past player. What is being presented as irrefutable evidence does not tell the whole story in relation to the rule it's supplementing.
biggest case of refball since we played against englandabsolutely disgusting
maybe just step a little step behimd as attacker
>>142198300it should be that under a certain reasonable measure, if it wasn’t called by the refs, then the decision can’t be changed, the millimeter offsides can only count if they were caught by a human first.this shit as is defeats the point of refs anyway, just have a fucking roomba on the field at this point.
Rules are rules but taking it to such levels will always be gay as shit>the attacker's pinky was half a planck length ahead of the defender, it's offside
So many rulecucks itt., but none of them demands to know the margin or error.Somehow we are supposed to believe that the magic cam, looking at it from 50 meter away, has an accuracy of a few mm?
>>142198487see>>142198068
>>142198487don't question the 3D render goy
>>142198487Yeah sometimes it scares me to think I live surrounded by absolute autists such as the retards posting as we speak
>>142197784>>142197789>>142197798>>142197877>>142197917>muh rules How does the boot taste?
The problem is they don't often freeze the video at the moment the ball is played. One frame has the ball not kicked yet, one frame later and the ball is in the air.The margin of error is bigger than the lengths they give offside for.
>>142197721Why did they pause at that exact second? The ball was still traveling, wasn't it?
>>142198396common sensehave 5 refs vote on this issue>does the amount of offside MATTER for the outcome of the situationit's literally that easyremoving the human factor just destroys the fun and the flow of the gamethe penalty is the same thingthe point of the offside rule is that a HUMAN determines if the attacker has an advantage that's not permitted by the rules and affects the flow of the gamethis is a sport, a gamenot a geometry class
>>142198396the ref, that's his fucking job
>>142197721Its bullshit, how can the technology predict the exact nanosecond the ball leaves the passing players foot?
How can entire /sp/ be that retarded. Number 8 is Delaney, Andersen is not in the graph and is 1 m offside. Uefa is just too retared to show the correct player and you all fall for it.
>>142198610It's actually amazing to me as a casual soccer fan that they basically just use powerpoint or some basic software to draw lines on the field from a blurry still image of the play. At first I thought that was just the broadcast doing it haphazardly lmfao
>>142198537What am i supposed to see?The anon clearly doesn't understand that any measurement has a margin of error and we have no idea what it is here.
>>142198610So they need to invest in high-speed cameras capable of recording at 10 000 frames per second rather than 60 or whatever they do now.
this sport is becoming gayer and gayer every year
>>142198647>more reffing makes it bettergoy
>>142198603>no argumentsI accept your concession
>>142197721grim. i feel for you guys that aren't rulecuck cock gobblers. that shits ruined your sport
>>142197721what else do you want, if they increase the margin of error people would complain about that. At least this way it's always correct
>>142198418Yeah it's a bit sus.
Really though, you'd have to be a complete retard to to be able to see how much it fucks with the game as a spectator sport that goals are removed retroactively for conditions that you can't tell have even occurred without specialized review technology
>>142197721Thats the rule, now stop crying.
>>142198885>goals are removed retroactively for conditionsfor me, it's goals taken away because of a flop somewhere in the build up by the other team
>>142198885>to toto not
If the few cm being offside DO NOT provide an advantage for the attacker then just allow the goalIt's so insane that you need a literal sensor in the ball and replaying it 10 times, zooming in and slowing down the footage just to find the contact with the hand - and it didn't even affect the flow or outcome of the game. If you need so much work to prove that the ball was touched then it's not real because it doesn't MATTER It's insanity just how ruined the sport is. The point is for the sport to be fun and meaningful to spectators and to humans. Rules are not it. >>142198786Yesthey need a panel of refs that will determine if the offside matters. It's a subjective decision. We all know that this offside didn't matter at all. Common sense. Why is common sense so maligned. I blame 'science' honestly, people's obsession with numbers.
>>142198417The problem with such tech is, that the human immediately uses it to give responsibility away.>computer said so! It is unquestionable!VAR was supposed to be ASSISTED. But it is treated as the unquestionable judge.If there is no human notable advantage, it was not offside.Which is fair, because the players are also human.
>>142198417>whether or not his position gave him an advantagemost stupid thing I've ever heared
>>142198980Yeah, but in modern society 'science' and rules determine everythingyou can't make a judgement call, you can't have values, you can't have things that matter to humans internally. Things need to be OBJECTIVE and SCIENTIFIC
Just remove the offside rule entirely. No one wants to see (or play) midfield anyway.
>>142198976>>142198980The guy in the graph is Delaney ffs. Andersen was offside and gained an advantage, these faggots just insist on showing the wrong player in the animation
>>142199096>>142198715andersen wasn't involved with that pass, he wasn't affecting the game at this point in time, he's not even eligible to be considered for offsideyou don't even know the rule
>>142199152He is passively offside which becomes active as soon as he touches the ball
>>142199096>ze tech is infallible, you vill accept zat he was aufside by 1 cm>never mind zat it shows ze wrong player
>>142198068>2050>well it was another intense 0-0 match with 7 disallowed goals but the most important thing is that the rules were followed flawlessly>Middlesbrough have won the Premier League on 38 match points and 380 Hisense (TM) Gud Boi Points!
>>142198248This
>>142197721people are upset about thisbut at least they applied a rulegermany was cancelled a goal for no reasonpurely subjectivedanes can get fucked
>>142197721S E M E NLURPING
>>142198068I don’t see any footage of the actual offside it’s a computer graphic
>>142198068wheres the footage? all I've seen are computer generated images
>>142198603you want a game without rules?
In the VAR overlords i trust.Long live Var Sinso.
>>142199036It isn't even scientific.If it would be scientific, they would have to give you a margin of error, based on where the cameras are, how accurate they are positioned and the distance and angle what they are looking at.The produced 3D render isn't a god-given perfection. If the margin of error is a few cm (which is what you expect), this whole thing was a dice role.The best speed cams, that the police has, have a margin of error of 1.5 to 3%. If those cameras are 32m away, a 3% margin would be 1m.Just to bring into perspective how accurate this has to be.If you make a millimeter offside decision in such a setting, based on this tech alone, you must be smoking something.The goal detection is a different topic because the goal line is something you can prep in advance and the measurement can be taken from 1m distance.
>>142197721Actual fucking joke
>>142199494Based, fuck all these rulefags and trustthvar goys
NOOOO WHY IS THE RULE BEING APPLIED I'M GONNA RIOOOT
>>142198477If the attack was really nice and the striker made a brilliant flashy move or belted it really well, why not award a goal, arbitrary lines on the pitch be damned!
>>142198054>Where would you draw the line?If the linesman can't catch it with his eye in real time it's not offside.Simple as.
>>142198408Name 2 (two) matches that's been decided by a 5 meter offside.
>>142198647>back to everything depending on the refat that point just scrap VAR and go back to having goals from 2m offside being countedall of you retards are crying about this only because the team you were rooting for lost
>>142198078> Low IQ retard detectedIs there such a thing as a high IQ retard?Dual retardation confirmed
>>142199578This. Worked fine for the past dozens of decades of football, why not now>b-but there were mistakes and unfairCool, are you gonna start taking off stars and winning team names off the records too? Sometimes mistakes are made, it's part of the game, deal with it. Trying to "evolve the game to the modern age" has been fucking retarded and everyone hates it.
>>142198054Must be at least 1m ahead
>>142198054the purpose of offside was never to catch people who were off by millimeters but just to make sure people weren't lurking behind the defense. This is clearly not happening in this scenario. They need to reconsider VAR, because humans do not and cannot function with such precision.
>>142199674>meterUh oh, the yard believers are gonna-
>>142198417Yeah, that's reasonable and all, thing is, the rule doesn't mention anything about advantage. You are offside depending on your position, not if you got advantage. Everything else is just mental gymnastics. We do what you're saying and we open the door to discretional offside decisions.
3rd worlders used to make a whole career out of cheating. the technology is not tuned yet but still better than what used to happen
>>142197721>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBbs44riQg8>the sniff of successhaters gonna hate.
>>142197721this 3D imagery is manipulated. the technicians feeding the imagery to the VAR refs sits in the UEFA headquarters in Nyon 100s of miles away and adjust these images to show what's advantageous to UEFA if they can get away with it. they probably modify the weather too, cloud seeding n shiet.
>>142199575what the fuck are you on about?
>>142199674>Must be at least 1m aheadThat’s over 3feet , offside would be obsolete dumb cunt
>>142199666Problem is that the gambling companies won't allow it and they're the ones who rule football.
>>142199666Also mistakes are still made WITH VAR.
>>142198752>10 000 frames per second rather than 60 or whatever they do now.The cameras currently record 24 frames per second.
VAR will do this, but ignore diving.
>>142199750>1)1954 World Cup - Hungary's team captain Ferenc Puskás, considered by many as the best player in the world in that time, was injured by German defender Werner Liebrich, Germany wins WC. 1 week earlier, Hungary had beaten Germany 8-3 and a doping scandal ensued after half the German team developed jaundice.>2)1966 - England and Germany collaborately rig the word cup so they eliminate opposing teams using a ref fixing scheme. German Ref Rudolf Kreitlein officiated in the England vs Argentina QF, and English ref Jim Finney officiated in the Germany vs Uruguay QF. Both European sides were severe underdogs. In the Germany vs Uruguay game, the referee (who was Jim Finney, from England) had not recognised a handball by Schnellinger on the goal line and then had sent off two players from Uruguay: Horacio Troche and Héctor Silva. Germany later met England in the World Cup Final.>3) 1970 - German's food poison English goalkeeper Gordon Banks. Germany ends up beating England in extra time.>4) 1974 - Carlos Caszely of Chile became the first player in world cup history to be sent off with a red card in a group match against West Germany.>5) 1974 - Bernd Hölzenbein of West Germany dives for a penalty after being down against Holland. Germany wins WC. Joao Havelange, who was FIFA President from 1974 until 1999 later states the world cup was rigged for Germany (host) to win>6) 1982 - West Germany scored through a goal by Horst Hrubesch again Austria, seeing both teams to qualify for the next stage. West Germany aimlessly kicks the ball around for the next 80 minutes while the Spanish crowd yells "Fuera! Fuera!" ("Out!"). One German fan was so upset by his team's display that he burned his German flag in disgust. FIFA introduced a revised qualification system at subsequent World Cups in which the final two games in each group were played simultaneously due to the German's disgusting faggotry.
>>142199647>only Danes are butthurtWhen bulgayria gets fucked by VAR in the near future I'm sure you won't say anything
>>142199647>at that point just scrap VAR and go back to having goals from 2m offside being countedno, keep varbut have some human common sense in thereit's a game, a sport. it's not science
>>142199750>>142199986>7) 1982 - German keeper Harald Schumacher decapitates French player Patrick Battiston to prevent him from scoring. Battiston was knocked inconscious, suffered a fractured vertebrae,a broken jaw, and lost 2 teeth. The ref doesn't even award Schumacher a yellow card. Germany ends up beating France in penalties>8) 1986 - West Germany and Mexico draw 0–0 after extra time after 2 Mexico goals are disallwed. Germany wins in penalties.>9) 1990 - Germany player Rudi Völler taunts Holland's best player Frank Rijkaard to cause an altercation and get Rijkaard ejected from the game. Germany beats Holland.>10) 1990 - Germany dives untouched vs Czechoslovakia in the semi-final, the penalty secured a 1-0 win.>11) 1990 - Germany again dives for a 1-0 win against Argentina in minute 85. Argentina saw Roberto Sensini and Pedro Monzon with red cards during the match in what was deemed the worst final in history.>12) 1994 - Germany dives against Bulgaria to salvage a quarterinal defeat with a penalty but Bulgaria holds on to see the Germans off 2-1
>>142198126fuckin love this pic
>>142197789The rule is stupid 4chan is just too young to realise/remember that the current rule was not the rule for most of the beautiful game’s history so act like the rules are set in stone
>>142198418>>142198856Luk røven. An offside is an offside. Imagine if Tyskland got a goal with that pass. You would be crying rigged. Take the L, we weren't going to win that match in 99 different playoffs.
>yes, never question the rules, just mindlessly follow them
>>142199750>>142200025>13) 2002 - German handball not called against them in a quarterfinal match against USA, that could've allowed the Americans to equalize the game. Germany ends up winning 1-0.>14) 2006 - German player Miroslav Klose shatters Argentine Goalkeeper Roberto Abbondanzieri's ribs. Abbondanzieri is carted off. Germany scores on backup keeper Leonardo Franco to draw 1-1 and proceeds to win in penalties.>15) 2010 - Germany cheats against England, disallowing a clear goal from Frank Lampard which would've leveled the score and changed the momentum of the game. Alas the goal is not recognized and Germany proceeds to beat England on counterattacks 4-1.>16) 2014 - Argentine Forward Gonzalo Higuain is violently kneed in the chin, an impact that can kill a person and is prohibited in UFC/MMA [the guy is usually knocked out cold and the fight is stopped]. German goalkeeper Manuel Neuer does not receive a warning or card. Germany wins in Extra time. Lothar Matthäus on the 2014 world cup: "In 2014, Argentina should have won the final. The referee should have given them the penalty committed by Neuer. We were lucky...">17) 2018 - Sweden were denied a penalty as Swedish forward Marcus Berg streaked into the Germany penalty area. Goalkeeper Manuel Neuer charged at him, but just as Berg was about to strike the ball, Boateng clattered into his side and affected his shot. Neither the ref nor VAR checked the play and Germany won the game through a last minute free kick by Toni Kroos. Justice is served though as South Korea beat them 2-0, and for the first time since 1938 the world does not have to deal with cheating faggots in the latter stages of this once proud tournament.
>>142199720There are only two possible states, onside or offside, bet you think there are 72 genders
>>142199967And fouls, and faking injuries
>>142199986>>142200025dont tell me you actually fall for this copypasta nonsense?
>>142200004i wont because i dont get upset at the rules being upheld
>>142199986>a doping scandal ensued after half the German team developed jaundice.Doping wasn't illegal back then.
thing is: they should put the computers to work and everything and then present to the ref so he can judge if there has been an advantage or notyou know, just like normal judges interpretate crimes and laws given the context.
>>142200074Unlike biological sex the state of offside is a completely arbitrary and abstract concept on the field that literally only exists in relation to position of every player on field. The reason why people even entertain the idea of this abstract concept is to prevent goal hanging.
>>142199494>The best speed cams, that the police has, have a margin of error of 1.5 to 3%. If those cameras are 32m away, a 3% margin would be 1m.You CAN'T be this much retarded
>>142197784>>142197789>>142197798>>142197877I hope for your sakes that you're all literal bots, because none of you is a human being
>>142200074analogies are retarded and always a poor argument and a misleading deflectionjust stick to the topic
funny how a certain "goat" stopped winning meaningful titles after VAR was implemented huh
>>142197721At least it's fair
>>142200060faggot, you haven't had enough Tuborg tonight
is that.. is that.. a.. RULE? one you can see on a screen? AAAhh I´m going InsaNE
>>142197721https://khelnow.com/football/world-football-ifab-trials-new-offside-rule-202403they're changing it soon
>>142198126
unless it's the real footings of the game i dont trust itnot sorry, it's rigging for the host
>>142199986>6) 1982 - West Germany scored through a goal by Horst Hrubesch again Austria, seeing both teams to qualify for the next stage. West Germany aimlessly kicks the ball around for the next 80 minutes while the Spanish crowd yells "Fuera! Fuera!" ("Out!"). One German fan was so upset by his team's display that he burned his German flag in disgust. FIFA introduced a revised qualification system at subsequent World Cups in which the final two games in each group were played simultaneously due to the German's disgusting faggotry.that's why we have last round of group stages matches at the same time
>MUH OBJECTIVEWhy don't we just get robots to play the game, that'd be so much better.
>>142200298Some punjeet moving a bunch of asset store characters in Blender instead of showing actual footage is kinda sus
>>142198596You know, conversely, I'm scared absolutely shitless by knowing that people like you are making decisions in this world on a daily basis with completely disregard for rules set in place in order to prevent harm to other people.For example: That speed limit is not a "suggestion". It's there is order to prevent harm to you, other people and society at large.
>>142197721They should add a 5-10cm buffer in those occasions.
>>142200447yesif the player is xcm offisde, then the goal is valid
>>142197721looks offside to me m8 what's the problem?
>>142199986you sound autistic. are you ok?
>>142200225>assuming a dane isn't perpetually drunkI'm buzzing on Royal Export and Tullamore triple blend. Just sick of dumbasses who knew this game was going to be a rape and goes on to cry when we lost with some dignity.
>>142200445>That speed limit is not a "suggestion". It's there is order to prevent harm to you, other people and society at large.Lmao
>>142200129Bro, distance , geometry and precise measurements are the direct opposite of abstract. You have been traumatized by this defeat and your brain can no longer be trusted ,seek help or alcohol urgently
>>142200447JUST DRAW MORE LINES IN 3D RENDER BROUGHT TO YOU BY ALIEXPRESS, JK TYRE, ALIPAY+ AND VISIT QATAR
>>142198300 come on, he plays the ball with his hand and it clearly changes direction. what do you want? its penalty 10/10 timeswhat a retard
why not just stay away a foot before the defender instead of gambling on that 0,000001mm offside? if such small distances don't matter and they don't give you advantage..
>>142198418lmao what are you people even talking about? not a single argument just rants
>>142200090>>142200510Germans know all about cheating. Franz Beckenbauer literally went up to the referee in the 1975 European Cup final and told him to disallow Leeds 1-0 goal for offside when it was never offside.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbgQdT8eviI
Maybe Wenger is right
This is why I only watch volleyball now.Basketball and football, all ref sports.
>>142200732>video literally starts with a Bayern player being murdered
>>142200544Germany won thougheverbeit?
>>142200641it's COPE and you should enjoy the salt
>>142198976andersen was offside by a mile, first passive then active. delaneys offside doesnt even matter
>>142200544What defeat are you talking about? Also lol at calling MS Paint lines and CGI Pixar figures looked at by some totally-not-refs in a cuckshed room precise or reliable.
>>142200445this but ironically
>>142200544I love how american flags are always clueless about football.
>>142199473does me fucking your mom have any rules?
>>142201116you have to stop when she screams "Panama!"
>>142198083can i question if you're an annoying faggot?
>>142201062He was onside and VAR is killing this sport. The entire allure is from the thrill of a goal but now half the goals get overturned by nerds so every goal is neutered bc hey it's probably gonna be disallowed
>>142201220"because it says so in the rulebook" sticklers are way more annoying of faggots
>>14219805410cm margin of error is needed since VAR is too accurate and killing this sport
>>142198417>The scientific method is never just the evidence alone"Alternative facts" enjoyer
>>142201299JUST DRAW MORE LINES IN 3D RENDER BROUGHT TO YOU BY ALIEXPRESS, JK TYRE, ALIPAY+ AND VISIT QATAR
just wanna jump in here real quick to say i love 0-0 scores, but i also enjoy sucking penises. I'm visiting LA from England, if anyone was curious.
>>142201299>Brainlet doesn't understand that will just shift the seethe to "REEE IT OBVIOUSLY WAS INSIDE THE 10cm error margin REEE"
>>142201299>>142201376Yeah so then we get to goyargue about whether he was 9.99 or 10.01 cms offside
>>142197721If hypothetically somehow the offside call was wrong, will they even show the var animation video like this one or will they hide it to protect the referee and the organizer reputation?
>>142201421kys
>>142201299right so then we can argue about how it should actually be 12cm because 10cm is killing this sport
>>142197721you have to be the dumbest nigger imaginable to complain about this
>>142201390No need to render 3d renders, just add +~10cm to those offside rule.>>142201421>>142201437>>142201488Margin of Error is necessary dude. Its Physically impossible for the players to see they are fucking 1mm offside
>>142200801this is literally taking the ref out of the equation thoughare you perhaps retarded?
this german is so upset. lmao.
>>142201465With 5 years of data there should be enough to dona statistical analysis and write a paper about it
Why don't they just let them play the game and then a team of experts will review the footage and tell us what the final score is.
>>142201509so 10.001 cm is offside but 10 cm is not ?
/RARE/WHAT THE FUCK IS AN ALAND???
We won
>>142201662no no you dont get it, then we can get a margin of error for the margin of error
>>142201684Yes but at what cost?
>>142199720look at this fedora tipper pontificating about the purpose of offside as if he was in the room when they made the rule kwab
>>142201662Yes
>>142201725if we took the ref out of the equation, then id be a 4-1
Why is it responding to itself?
>>142201742He's right though. Methinks YOU are actually the fedora tipper.
>>142201744so how is that any different to 0.001 being offside you fucking retard
>>142201684girl is attractive, but not to the level of whatever she's doing. a hot bitch can get away with being retarded, but she's not there.
>>142201744then we come back to the main question how can 0.001 cm might be an advantage, it's either we let computers decide or "people"(referees) decide, there is no other option
>>142201828Its not. This is 10cm of Margin of Error were talking about, not 100cm. Players is impossible to measure that in the field
>>142197721i am fine with this decision. You have to draw the line somewhere. There's always going to be questionable decisions with offside regardless of what rules you follow.
>>142201509>Margin of Error is necessary dude. Its Physically impossible for the players to see they are fucking 1mm offsideyou are retarded. if it is physically impossible for the player to know he's 1mm offside, then that means he's supposed to err on the safe side and stay in a bit more. if he's not, then that's on him and he doesn't deserve the goal. if they allow a 10 cm margin of error, then they do that so that more goals can happen because players will take more offside risks while attacking. that's a totally different rule change and I dont know if it would benefit the game
europeans are faggots.
>>142200286Sounds potentially good.The problem is not rules being observed; it's that the rule is stupid. And in this case the biggest stupidity are the long stoppages to play and and taking away goals due to miniscule or meaningless rule "infingements". Also, like an another anon implied in a different thread: fuck the VAR tech if it can only catch this shit and not diving and other deliberate flopping harmful to the game.
>>142199666>Sometimes mistakes are made, it's part of the game, deal with it.negative IQ take
>>142197721>noooooooo not my underdoggerino teamerino, they should be allowed the break the rules whenever they want it's not fair nooooooooooooo
>>142201889I agree in general but the idea the system itself has no margin if error is retardedThey should err on the side of the system being incorrect tooWherever the line is drawn will always lesd to close calls and thats okay but theres this assumption VAR is some amazing super accurate sensor array but its actually just a couple of third world nonces and some cameras and theres a huge margin of error in that system, far larger than a lot of calls, including this one
>>142201889It will benefit the game entertaintmentMoR means more goal were allowed. Half the goal nowdays were disallowed due to fucking VAR dude. its boring that way. MoR is needed
>>142198885you have to draw the line somewhere. something that would actually make sense is adding an official margin for offside to the rules. but no matter what rules we all agree on, they need to be kept exactly - everything else is unfair
>>142201889>he's supposed to err on the safe side and stay in a bit more. if he's not, then that's on him and he doesn't deserve the goal.Wow it's almost like that used to be the literal rule but it caused so much slurping they had to change it
5 cm for the quantic world is the equivalent of our visible universe. it's huge.
Semi Automatic Offside makes this sport feels robotic already.
>>142202066I agree. VAR is a perfect system so they need to open it up to review all parts of the game at all times. After all, unfairness around the halfway line is just as impactful as unfairness inside the box.
>>142202076what was the rule?
>>142198068it's still based on footage that is limited in accuracy based on how many frames per second it is recorded atall that they have done is create this fancy computer graphic that will display the decision without fixing any of the underlying accuracy issuesobviously, this means that the offside issue is going to be solved for low IQ people and they are now free to rig things at will
>>142201684she looks russian kek
>>142199729As a mutt growing up, offsides in soccer was always an afterthought and just another rule. Partly because I didn't understand where the line was suppose to be, but also because that was a time when refs had more say and replay wasn't as prevalent back then. Now its changing the feel of a lot of sports. But my point is I never thought of offsides to be an integral part of soccer. It's certainly not something we think of when playing on the street or the playground. Now learning how to stay onside is another thing players have to practice along with passing, shooting, and dribbling. Doesn't that sound weird? Feels like people are just accepting it because the implementation of technology into everything is inevitable. A lot of people think it's a good thing. We're there times when your favorite team lost because of a non offsides call? It's always been an arbitrary thing until now. A line judge could give attackers liberty for one team and do the same for the other. There's ways to govern it internally, but we can't trust top leagues to not be corrupt so we settle? Feels wrong.
>>142200286this makes sense, but then there might be too many goals idk
offside is apparently the only rule where a 'clear and obvious error' is any error at all. there are no degrees in offside according to the VAR slaves. the on field decision by the linesman should only be overturned if they are off or on side by some arbitrary margin.not that it would solve the problem anyway, since you'd still be waiting around for a VAR check and soccer as a sport isn't really suited to video refereeing the same way as tennis or cricket.
>>142202216the voyeur can fuck off with his suggestions
>>142201509Then the forward should not 50/50 the offside and starts the run 0,5 seconds later
>>142202212we colonized slavs
>>142197721what stops them from rigging it then? you can easily make his shoes bigger in 5s.
>>142202309but then mongol soviets came and raped and impregnated eastern part of your population
>>142202309>red army rape
>>142202355..which were mostly slavs
Margin of error means the position can be off by the margin IN ANY DIRECTION. Not to mention, all measurements have an margin of error (including human eye).
>>142202355You're the mongol one.
>>142202355Also, all sides raped (Americans, Canadians, British etc). The French even setup entire brothels for the occupying Germans.
>>142197789The ai should be a guideline. The ref rightfully never calls this shit offside first time, and looking at that case, there is 0 advantage gained from the player ffsIt's a fucking goal
>>142202476the french are homo
>>142200181Judge the game, not the player.
>>142202429your education is at embarrassing low point
>>142202564Says the illiterate one.
>>142202476i read somewhere that a lot of german women who got raped killed themselves or had an abortion
>>142202155if the attacker is not completely behind the defender he is offside
>>142202212she doesnt have a round face (=slav) but more of a horse face.
wtf is Aland?
>>142202755A small island between Sweden and Finland. Belongs to Sweden but is slightly autonomous like wales, so it has its own flag and country code
>>142202615I can write and read and yet you're still embarrassingly ignorant and have zero idea of history of this part of the world, suck on bubble tea you jungle SEA cunt or drink 50 ml of hard liquor and go on murdering rampage you genetic trash
>>142197721>NOOOOOOO!!! Offside isn't offside!!!!!KWAB
>>142200181>England chiming in about footballembarrassing
>>142202805You have zero idea of the history of the world. Your knowledge consists of social media memes and state media propaganda.
>>142202785>Belongs to Sweden
>>142202538but it's offside thoit's the rules
>>142202744>>142202212also not a potato nose, which is probably the biggest indicator
>>142202213>Now learning how to stay onside is another thing players have to practice along with passing, shooting, and dribbling. Doesn't that sound weird?A decent player should absolutely know how to not get offside, what the fuck are you about?
>>142202785>Belongs to Swedenit's an autonomous territory of Finland
>>142202936>>142203043Lol today I learned. For some reason I always thought it's swedish
advances in technology are making life more and more uninterestinghow terrible will human life become when the moment comes when all the places of human life become predictable sooner or later?i think modern people are depressed because tomorrow is not exited at allwhat's so interesting now that we don't have any more adventures
>>142197721so, whats next? chips in the boots? chips implanted in the toes and heel? chips implanted in the shoulders and the head?
>>142203059you though it because 80-90% of population there are swedish
>ngubus taking over euro national teams>VAR comes outcoincidence? I think not
>>142198396The ref, not a computer.
>>142203079at least I can experience south korean imported instant hot ramen and regret about my decision in the next morning
>>142197721You just know these 3D models are put there by random Indian kids watching the match in 144p
>>142203079i think modern people are depressed because tomorrow is not excited at all*last year, the founder of a south korean game company, one of asia's most successful venture businessman with $10 billion in assets, committed suicideif a person who seems to have everything is not able to find fun in his life, he becomes depressedit is terrible how the life of ordinary people in the near future will become less interesting in the next few decades
>nooooo denmark should have lost 3-1ok whatever
>>142203409Maybe because the world is evil and void of purpose is the reason why people don't want to live anymore?
>>142203403Hey, that's the shit that one of my friends "forced" on me and the rest of the mates just week ago on our yearly midsummer cottage trip. Except that was 3x. Pretty intense stuff.
I don't watch soccer, I only turned the game on because there was nothing else on. From my casual point of view with no bias for either team, that was a complete horseshit call. That would be like if an umpire called strike 3 and they reviewed it, only for it to be a ball by 1mm which walked in a run. Who the fuck wants replays ruling your game? No one. If you agreed with that overturn you're just a fan of one team, you can admit it. If it happened to your team you'd be equally pissed off.
>>142197721Yeah it was bsThat player didn’t even score so not relevant
>>142203435>Honorable 3-1 defeat to a well-playing team>Gay-ass lame VAR homo sport, watching ref micro-millimeter analysis cam to lose 2-0 in the most unexciting, frustrating mannerOne of these is better than the other.
>>142203607I'd rather eat this for every meal than have 24h daylight(that's intense) in the summer, no offence
>>142202969I just didn't know that was a thing. Clubs would do better now to find more experienced and composed players rather than fast twitchy ones. That's a big shift in direction I hope it works well for you guys.
>>142197721>More CGI shitI warned you niggers years ago when I told you about Crisnaldo’s ghost hat trick vs Atletico Madrid
>>142197721So a few extra inches do matter after all, huh?
>>142204087Yes, width
>>142203878Eh. I love the brief period of time of the year when the sun barely goes down. I think most Finns do. To me it's an essential part of summer and I hate the short summer days abroad. Besides, I don't live up north, so the nights are much darker than actual days. Still, proper blackout curtains are nice to have.>>142203683>>142203683I don't care much about the results either. It's just that the stoppages and uncertainty of goals are too much. Plus, the dubius accuracy of the contraption and not using it for other types of (potential) fouls.Also, the ref looked like he was just being led on by the VAR room. I didn't feel his peresence in the game at all.
>>1421977214th industrial revolution propaganda, same as the Japan out. You know it all comes down to this. Disregard your senses and judgement, the Machine is always right.To paraphrase Marx: Capitalism is the relation of machines mediated by humans.
>>142199750Maradona shits on every German player ever and btfo you in the finalThe handball against England was for bantz
>>142198083Motive is essential to usa litigation
this sport is peaked to shit hahahahahahaha
>>142204209I was once visiting Helsinki right when the day is the longest (June 20 or 21st) it was nice but bizarre experience during the "night"
>>142204324Can you type that again without sounding like a cucked subuman low IQ retard ? :)
this sport is so done
>>142204324literally lost the 1990 finaland Matthäus also won an italian championship against him
>>142200074Nah, but I fucked your mom 72 times
>>142204324This 100%. Maradonna should be added as a sub-chapter in anticolonial history, in the future when we the little people have freed ourselves from the tyranny of capitalism.
>>142204700Ah yes, Lothar Mathaeus, the name on the lips of the whole world.
>>142205644literally in the Ballon Dor all time team, island monkey
>>142205711Wow, on the ballon d'Or? That's amazing.
>>142205822no shit, cant see an irish player there
>>142205711>yashinreally?
>>142205941should be Neuer, obviouslybut they always put Yashin in for some reason
>>142205982should be one of these Neuer, Casillas, Buffon, Kahn
>>142198603like your mom's cunt.
>>142197721You know your sport shit the bed when swedes are supporting denmark
>Here, Maradona has the ball, two players marking him. Maradona steps on the ball running on the right, the genius of world football, he leaves the third guy and is going to pass to Burruchaga. Always Maradona! Genius! Genius! Genius! Ta ta ta ta.. Goalllll goalllll!!! I want to cry, dear God, long live football, golazo!!! Diegooo! Maradonaaa!!! This goal is to cry for, excuse me. Maradona with a memorable run and the play of all time!!! Cosmic kite, which planet did you come from to leave so much English men on the road??? For the country to make a tight fist, screaming for Argentina... Argentina 2 England 0. Diego! Diego! Diegoal Armando Maradona! Thank God for football, for Maradona and for these tears! For this, Argentina 2, England 0.."
>>142206210like bitterballen?
>>142197917THE FAMINE IS OVER WHY DON'T YOU GO HOME
>>142205711>UEFA teamA literal memeI even like Matthaus but he is nowhere near MaradonaAnd if that list actually made any sense and was based on actual skill then systembabbies like Xavi wouldn’t be thereThe list is greatly influenced by ’’muh representation’’Switch Beckenbauer for Baresi, Xavi or Matthaus for Zico(better player than Maradona btw), Redondo or Socrates and you’re getting closer to a more objective listOf course Messoi and Penaldo are there as the plastic zoomer iconsIn an objective list they would never make it
>>142201299And then you start crying your eyes out when you're 11cm offside.Just fuck off
>>142198054Human eye
>>142206166>BuffonZoff was better
>>142198334NO SCOTLAND LETS PARTYNO SCOTLAND LETS PARTYNO SCOTLAND LETS PARTYNO SCOTLAND LETS PARTYNO SCOTLAND LETS PARTY
>>142206425retard
>>142206394blablablaswap all the german players out, no bias right there, right?
>>142198418Honestly what did Denamrk do to deserve the constant fisting you have recieved?Is it because you won outside the plan?
>>142206420No i wont. Because its fair. I can promise you this. No Margin of Error is not fair
>>142206576fight me
>>142206394>SocratesGOATOAT
>>142206664no, 10cm is just arbitrary and dumb. The average dumbass is just going to cry just like they are now.Also if you're thinking 10cm is going to make a meaningful difference to a player going 30-35kph you're just deluding yourself.
>>142199750He was simply compensating for the unfair disadvantaged caused by his manletness
>>142206838For you. Football players are human, not a robot. VAR is robotic. and OFFSIDE without MoE is robotic. Havent you see motorsports with track limits ?? Its exactly like that. Robotic.
>>142199750Just rewatched it and he was also massively offsidehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ccNkksrfls
>>142207005no, the ball came from an english player
>people complain nonstop about referees in every sport and the subjectivity of calls, human error, etc.>soccer FINALLY has a way to make offside calls objective, unable to be disputed, black and white decision>complain about that toowill you all kill yourselves already.
There shouldn’t be any humanly imperceptible levels of offside being called off they should ad a margin for error I think a 3 inch margin should be added
>>142198775How else can it appeal to the American market?
>>142207259ok, then what about the offside that is 3 and a quarter inches offside? then people say BUT THE QUARTER INCH DIDN'T GIVE ANY ADVANTAGE EITHER
>>142207409Then it'd be 6 inches provided the thing is even accurate which is a length that is perceptible.
>>142207409This. You can’t make it x distance or something. That’s functionally the same as the OP and people will lose their minds all the same.You either have it exact like it is with VAR or you get rid of VAR and use the eye test. There’s no in between.
>>142206613Sorry, but while Germany always had great teams, when it comes to individual skill level they can’t compete with other countries.Goalkeeper position is the only place where Germans can seriously compete with guys like Kahn and Neuer.
>>142206613>>142207654Also, I said swap Xavi or Matthaus outPersonally out of the 2 from that list I would swap Xavi out and leave Matthaus in
>>142207564Now it’s a 6 and a quarter inch offsideWhat do you do?
>>142207055I like how that fact matters until it doesn't. One of the Denmark goals that was ruled out was touched by a German player onto the feet of the Danish goalscorer.
>>142207654what ridiculous nonsnenseBeckenbauer for examples started as an offensive player, thats how he has 5 world cup goals (more than Cruyff)Then he played as the captain of the defensiveHes like Cruyff if Cruyff was also a world class defensive playerYou have zero idea what youre talking abuotAnd Gerd Müller mogs most other strikers in historyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfLvk6CkaNQ
>>142207224I’ve always thought refs blowing it is kino. Don’t blame me for gay var shit.
>>142207800there is a difference between a deflection and a pass
>>142207409There needs to be a hard cut off but there def needs to be a margin
>anti-VARSouthern Euros, South Americans, and Slavs (soulful chads)>pro-VARNorthern and Central Euros (soulless rulecucks)
>>142200090>>142200025>copypasta nonsense
>>142197721>2cm don't matter>says OP with an 4 cm cock
>>142197721>this is the frame>SHOW THIS ONE
>>142208007>misses the goal by 10 meters>rigged against francebwahaha
>>142208007yes, that is obviously nasty, but thats not what most of the copapasta isfor example the nonsense about Voeller provoking Rjkaard?Rjkaard spits at Voeller and then Voeller gets a red cardIf anything its an example of Germany being refballed
>rule is enforced>THE ABSOLUTE STATE>SHIT SPORT>SOVLLESS>rule is not enforced >RIGGED >REFBALL>LITERALLY THE WWEthere's no winning with you faggots
Yanks and aussies have been telling you euros that soccer is shit for a decade+ - why didn't you listen?
>>142197721It's funny because this isn't necessarily offside. Offside means the player is ahead, not his clothing.The image shows only the boot of the Dane, not his foot.
Offside rule was created so strikers couldn't camp in front of the goal 30 meters away from the closest defender.The result is that tournament-defining goals are ruled offside because of half a centimeter of a shoulder.
>>142209131meanwhile, penalty takers can just stop in the middle of their runup without punishment
>>142208359can't answer you on that, I'm not an expert on germ refballing: that's a full time job
>>142209776>doesnt know the Voeller Rjjkard incidentmaybe you should stick to boule
>>142207827No, I know all that. But for example Becks can’t compete with Baresi when it comes to actual defensive skillHe may be better when it comes to going forward(though Baresi was no slouch) but when it comes to defense? No dice.Muller was great but he was a poacher. The Inzaghi of his time only a lot more profilic.He can’t compete with guys like Ronaldo or Van Basten for example.In fact guys like Romario or Careca easily obsolete Muller because Romario was basically Muller but with god-tier technique and dribbling too. Do you understand what I’m saying?All of these guys you mentioned are great and would probably make a top 100 list with relative ease, but none of them are No. 1 in their positions relative to other players of other countries.
>>142210217I dont give a fuck what youre saying
>>142197721This is probably going to cause a rule change, it's the perfect visual representation of how the rule as it is now is completely retarded
>>142210484He is 100% right tho, they put Beckenbauer there because they needed to put him somewhere and there was no more space in the midfield, because there are far better players there.
>>142210656see: >>142207827
>>142210656They put Beckenbauer in there because he’s iconic>>142210711Baresi did the same shit Beckenbauer did, only he was a far better defender.Beckenbauer only beats him when it comes to goalscoring, but he’s a lot worse when it comes to defending and as far as playmaking/ball playing ability goes they were about similar.
>>142210978> as far as playmaking/ball playing ability goes they were about similar.youre talking out of your ass
>>142209890there are too many german refeering incidents to know them all in detail.
>>142211031I have no idea, why you saved this random goal, but apparently it was judged dangerous play
>>142211112>I have no idea, why you saved this random goalmaybe you should stick to handball
>>142197721damn, the absolute state where you can't get carried away in the embrace of referees anymore like you were used throughout your entire existence. fucking pussy.
>>142211232do you want to go through all referee decisions in football history, you dumbfuck?seriously, what the fuck is you people obsession with Germany?
>>142211017Nope.Baresi served as a secondary playmaker in Sacchi’s and Capello’s Milan teamsWithout his ball playing skill those teams wouldn’t reach the levels they reachedHe was actually better than Maldini when it came to playmaking/ball playing skills He was so good that he could comfortably play as a midfielder when it was necessary
>>142211358and compared to Beckenbauer hes a Harry Maguire
>>142197721It's literally impossible to know at what millisecond the ball touched the Danish passer when the offside is less than 1cm.That goal should've been allowed.
>>142211436retard, the ball itself has sensors in it, you fucking eternal coper.
>>142197721>computer said, therefore true>just trust the science broi don't believe this shit.
>>142211325I don't understand why you're getting so hot and bothered over a nonsensical list
>>142202202This, only literal retards believe VAR SINSON should be used for off-sides (if at all).
>>142197721This is a joke
>>142211517I bet you also believe we poisened Gordon Banks
>>142198054Just let the linesman decide like before obviouslyWhat a stupid question
>>142207789Obviously it's offsides because that's too much distance. The line is measured from the defender's closest body part from the goal and that sets the edge across the field. Since this is difficult to perceive in real time, the 3 inch margin extends beyond the edge because neither player knows when the line will move. The reason it doesn't work to stand 3 inches back in the first place is because the line is more apparent to work from rather than trying to work back from the line and through another body. The feeling of being in open air is more apparent then being side by side with another competitor. If the computer is allowed to gauge off the exact point then players should as well. Move the line 3 inches forward and players won't cheat because they'd definitively know they're past the line. VAR makes the bold claim that it can augment a timepoint in 3d and represent it in 2d. If it is truly advanced it should be able to define a suspended point in the air and not just go off where the players outline was.
>>142211657>just let the linesman make an off play decision that will decide the fate of a match undeservedlydidn't expect this mentality from you
>>142197721El var sinso did it again
>>142197721It is justified cuz rules are rules. Otherwise, without VAR, it would be Germany 4:1 Denmark.
>>142211411No brudi, compared to Beckenbauer he is an overall better player.Tut mir leid.
>>142211896take your medshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfLvk6CkaNQ
>>142211771Its betterVAR can only step in when the linesman is way off
>>142211942Beckenbauer the goat
>>142211942Beckenbauer was another cheater
>>142211492Those sensos have no idea at what millisecond the ball left the Dane player, you retarded VAR n****rSimple as.
>>142206297GENIOGENIOGENIO
>picrelated>>IT IS IN, JUST OK??!?!?!?>RULES ARE RULES?!?!?! JUST OK?!?!
This shit completely blows my mindReferees have always been criticized for being wrong and people have asked for years to have robots and computers referee the game. That will make things better, everyone said. Computers aren't biased, everyone said. They'll get things right and no one will complainThey needed to use VAR for offside. EPL has guys drawing lines and everyone complains about that being too exact and potentially wrong. MLS has guys using the naked eye to determine if it's worth calling offside or not, and people complain that this is too imprecise. Then when you finally get the computers and robots calling offside, getting the call one hundred percent undeniably correct, people complain about that because now it's "well this is too precise and exact, the game doesn't want this" and other bullshit you all spew but you yourselves have no response to what it is that you actually wantand how to achieve it.Absolutely pathetic.
>>142211966>way offAnd how off is "way off" exactly
>>142212112beyond a margin like a meter. When the linesman makes a huge mistake.>b-b-butIts better than this shit
>>142199328Pretty much this. Germany got canceled often, so it was not cool. unrelatedpic
german goal was called on foul today (didnt even get to see the foul btw)danes just mad
>>142212301Hahahahaha cringe
>>142212041those sensors have the exact idea about at what milisecond the Dane player touched the ball, are you really insane? and that data is conglomerated with the position of the players in that little cabin of theirs. I'm telling you, quit coping, what is offside is offside, no more free meals for you.
if we ignored offsice rules it would still be 3 - 1 for germany
>>142212506Good more goals at least
>>142212535i can agree with that. but i dont like bs some posters here are trying to spin. if the rules were more lax regarding offiside, 3 - 1, if rules were more lax in general, 4 -1.
>>142212612We should do whats best even if the result doesnt change
>>142212651Just let it go. With a strict rule, Germany can win anyway. Without a rule, Germany can score more quickly.
>>142212717Just lose weight and stick to apehoop
>>142211942I can post jewtube videos toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhnm9ved2AsOnly issue is that there are no Baresi videos that focus exclusively on his playmaking they usually focus on his defending and interceptions and they intersperse his playmaking skills in those videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr2xKLsKAMshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67juSLPoox0Here are some match-specific videos thoughhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lkipB0yMKAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXy-o9UTosM
>>142212651whats wrong with super strict offside rules? offside if offside no
>>142212816Its not fun and it doesnt make senseThis goal is not unfairAlso you're denying individuals their goals and assistsIt does change the outcome sometimes
>>142212976i can agree with your argument somewhat, even though i still think rules are important, no matter how anal they are being followed.can you tell me what the foul was that took back germanys goal in 3rd minute? because that shit pisses me off to, but you dont see me crying
>>142212791Are you mad over the kraut won the game? Silly cunt.
>>142213092>even though i still think rules are important, no matter how anal they are being followed
>>142213435well im glad you think rules are silly. shouldve been 1 - 0 in 3rd minute then
>>142213531That's not what I said
>>142213725i assumed you meant that based on the childrens cartoon image you sent
>>142213761It means you can just change the rules if they are bad
>>142213799well take it up with uefa or whoevers in charge here. germany won even if we ignored the annoying rules.
>>142213867Ok Im talking about the sport
>>142213092>can you tell me what the foul was that took back germanys goal in 3rd minute?Supposedly the official explanation is because of a foul by Kimmich.
>>142213912its funny because that foul didnt seem to be shown on screen>>142213903>take it up with uefa
>>142198603>GERMANY ARE JUST CHEATING KEKS>who c-cares about the rulescan you subhumans stick to one narrative? its getting tiring.
>>142214008There are bad rules and you are dirty cheaters too
>>142214094if the rules werent a thing we wouldve won still. its that simple sadly
>>142213947>its funny because that foul didnt seem to be shown on screenNah I think they showed it a bit, it was like 2-3 meters behind SchlotterbeckIMO a foul out of play and the goal should have stoodThe call was bullshit
>>142214136Maybe, maybe notHard to tell how the dynamics of the match would play out
No fun allowed
>>142198054dont care about the body shoulder head etc just look at the foot and thats it. but muh attacker gets and advantage i dont care. and its a natural position as defenders are the opposing force to attackers.pic related for me its not an offside if the attackers foot is same or behind the last man.
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There's nothing wrong with VAR itself, the rules simply need to be adjusted to account for it. > but then you would argue about 10.001 cm!You fucking idiots, that's the point, setting the rule up so that attacker has the advantage, but not too much of one. That's what makes the sport exciting, the balance where attack is better, but not so better it's effortless.
>>142199630How about we go back to matches being decided by flopping latin Americans in the penalty box.
Guess i don't trust var cuz it seems to review only some situations, not all and the offside AI stopmotion replays are 3D graphics that can be manipulated easily.
>>142220820The attacker already has the advantage since the defender has to turn and catch up
>>142202538>AINigger its geometry as old as pythagoras. Not everything is le AI boogeyman kek.
>>142198603>t. FraudtugalAt least I know I am a fraud. Can you say the same?
>it's always a travesty and a murder of justice when VAR is disadvanteous to my team, what a gay sport, sport ruined>oh your team got fucked by VAR LMAO GET REKT DEAL WITH IT RULES ARE RULES HAHAThe hypocricy is hilarous
>>142200445Yeah 1km/h above the speed limit and 50 is the exact same. Based german autist.
>complain when objective rules are subjectively applied>complain when objective rules are objectively appliedjust decide what the fuck you want
The amount of people who seem to blindly trust anything that comes out of the VAR room as if more important decisions that actually require accuracy like measuring speed in traffic don't already have to concede tolerance and inaccuracy issues is insane. As if you can genuinely measure the very exact nanosecond that determines whether or not someone was offside by a hair even with ball sensors. There's always going to be some room for error even with all that technology.
>>142222917It's really not tho.
>>142199729souless & legalistic kike argument
>>142199057field hockey removed it with basically zero consequences for how the game is playedthe idea that a player constantly staying all the way forwards is beneficial isn't really true
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>>142197721Its definetely a cleaner tournament and shows that the referees except a few of them are shit at referring. Also, get on my plate you austic cod.
>>142223261It would mean defences would be unable to defend without parking the bus because any fast player can leave them in the dust on any deep pass, not that 1 attacker would camp the area
You should enforce rules even when players gain no advantage from breaking them because.... BECAUSE YOU JUST SHOULD OKAY
>>142223043I want the rules only applied when players gain an advantage by breaking them. Toe offside or ball brushing a finger does not give players an unfair advantage, it makes the game less fair by enforcing these rules in situations that were already fair without the rule enforcement.
>>142199034Why do you think the fucking rules exist in the first place, if not to prevent unfair advantages?
>>142212105They're calling offsides in situations where players do not have any positional advantage whatsoever from having a toenail offside and its calling into question the purpose of even having the rule to begin with. Enforcing the rules in these situations is making the game unfair and killing it. Goals are scored in legitimate ways and then scratched off because 30 seconds prior something happened that could have been a foul but was overlooked by the ref gets flagged by VAR. How can you not see how overbearing it is?
>>142197721not enough yummy commercial breaks for ya?
>>142197721yep... gone pretty crazy alright.>>142198417>>142199720this.>>142220446that's clearly an offside tho...
>>142223675Goals are scored in legitimate ways and then scratched off because 30 seconds prior something happened that could have been a foul but was overlooked by the ref gets flagged by VAR.This. Also, everything looks worse when zoomed in on and played over and over again in slowmo.
>>142212095Yes
>>142197721Soulless
>>142220797this but the blue haired girl is VAR
Notice which flags autistically defend this soullessness and you'll see a pattern.
>>142197721Name 3 reasons why shouldn't just remove offside altogether.>no more VAR>no more seething>can forward pass instead of having to slowly tiki taka aheadIt would be a lot better.
>unjustly cancel German goal, no VAR verification>:/>justly cancel Danish goal, with VAR verification>:O
>>142197789>>142197954>>142202954Now I see how Hitler managed to kill 6 million jews, germans just blindly follow orders, they wouldn't dare questioning them. As soulless as it could get
>>142197721It's offside. Deal with it, Chuddie!
var is killing football
>>142226243Why should niggers be allowed to exist, Mogombo?
>>142197721>VAR gives my team a goalBest decision EVER>VAR gives the other team a goalthe SOUL of football is LOST, BILLIONS MUST DIErules are rules bitch
>>142197721YusThis is the sport...Eyup <:3
So many people desperate to defend an organisation they know is completely corrupt lmao
>>142226671wow we do live forever rent free in the mind of argensimians
>>142226762Why are so many people willing to rely on these same corrupt people to eyeball the rules instead of automated systems who are considerably harder to fake?
>>142213092clear foul by kimmich. turned completely away from the ball. eyes only on the danish player. then a bodycheck to stop him. he did not just block him, he aggressively leaned into him with his shoulder and brought him down.
>>142228152>clear foulShow the replay
>>142222585Not enough of one, evidently, given the number of below 3 goals slurpers.
>>142228462
>>142228666THE SOUL OF FOOTBALL IS LOST
>>142202538>An offside player screening the goalie is 0 advantageYour retarded
Offside is offside. It doesn't matter if it's just 0.00001mm.The rule as it is already gives a lot of advantage to the attackers since the defenders have to turn, that's even more true if you go over the line.There's a reason forwards play so much on the limit, it's a risk worth to take since being on line gives them a big advantage.The referee was shit but not because of this, but more so because of the constant made up fouls on Germany's favour and yellow cards given to Denmark as if they were free candies, if the entire team wasn't carded for no reason Denmark would have played way better defensively.I hope we won't get rigged so blatantly against Germany.
>>142197721all uefa and fifa events are rigged
>>142229686You will get rigged against Georgia, I'm already on the phone setting it up.
>you'll have to draw the line somewhere
>RULE ARE RULES!!!>here believe this made up line on a made up frame that proves the rule!!
>>142197789VAR was never considered when writing the rules of football. Every body part is measured and scrutinized. That is not what football is about. Fucking Germans ruin everything with their "RULES". Meanwhile COPA is putting on vastly superior matches night after night.
>>142234853the ref was english, you stupid fuck
Just let the referee arbitrarily decide if the player was in a true advantageous position or not like they want and then cry about how VARdrid and VARca are ruining the sport. Will be funny to see how what is truly an offside changes every game.
>>142234875The match is in Germany, or it is spelt Türkiye these days?
>>142235095completely irrelevant
Why not get rid of the shootout if there is a tie and go to VAR judges decision based on footage from the game?
