Burger bros, what would be considered a successful run in this tournament for you? I think that culturally you can already say that joint hosting the competition has been a net positive as your public are more interested in the sport than ever before. I live in Bong so I quite used to the associated hysteria of beating a few shitters in the group stages and everyone suddenly pretending we're favourites so let's be realistic. >beating a well respected european team of the level of belgium, switzerland, croatia, etc?>making the R16/QF/SF through the easier side of the draw?>outperforming mexico?>beating a highly regarded european team of the level of germany, the netherlands, portugal, etc?desu I just want a discussion without /int/ tier shit flinging
Mexicos results have no bearing on our satisfaction. Irrelevant shithole. QF minimum and that includes beating a higher ranked Euro nation.
>>155752889A success would be making it to SF, anything less is retreading old ground. I'd like to beat a high ranked Euro nation, but I'd feel like we didn't accomplish what we needed to if we just beat a good team and then were immediately knocked out before SF.
>>155752889Expect nothing and everything feels like what you're getting.Expect everything and nothing feels like what you're getting.That's what the difference in expectation is for us.
>>155752889SF, MAYBE quarterfinals if beat France on path, but unlikely. I think there's a script this WC to get USA far but Portugal to win it based on>Supposed color theory of the logos>Cristiano meeting up with Trump randomly before the WC
>>155752889Round of 16 at a bare minimum (equaling our usual result but in a larger format), preferably quarterfinals (at which point we probably face our first big boy team, Spain or Portugal, and go out). Semis would be a miracle run
>>155752889>beating a highly regarded european team of the level of germany, the netherlands, portugal, etcfor me, it's this. we beat Figo's Portugal in 2002 and it was pretty fucking kino, but it was also groups. if we had beat netherlands in 2022 i would have died happy.
Semis would be a success but they'll likely play Brazil in the quarters so it's not happening.
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>>155752889competitive match in the quarterfinals where we look like a threat to win (and not like 2014 vs. belgium where we nearly stole one despite being completely dominated). Of course, that depends on the matchups in the KO round. I think a loss to a team on our level would be disappointing in the quarters, whereas a competitive loss against a contender in the RO16 wouldn't necessarily be a disappointment.
>>155753008>they're rigging it for portugal but they're also leaving little clues of their riggingwhy do all conspiratards think like this?
>>155752889The consensus seems to be that we want to make the quarterfinals vs Spain and give them the game of their life
>>155753048Jews do the same thing
>>155753029Brazil would probably be like -230 to advance. Weirder things have happened.
>>155753048coping with their own inabilities, need a big bad who behaves like a movie villain
>>155752889Quarter finals and beating a well respected like the Netherlands or something semi finals would be nice obviously against like Germany france Norway etc we probably aren’t winning and as a New England bro I wouldn’t want to deal with a team making it far off beating shitters just to get assraped at the end anyway
I'll also add that I think the Turkey game will go one of two ways >they have nothing to lose and want to redeem some honour and play well and its a tough game>they are deflated and you stomp them >>155752968They're your regional rivals with a fairly dominant overall h2h, I would imagine establishing yourselves as the best NA footballing nation would be quite a big deal? >>155752985>>155753008>>155753025I think given the expanded format that a QF would be fairly impressive given your best performance was at the 1930 dinosaur era cup. We'll see how the draw works, I think SF would be a stretch but in front of a home crowd and in tournament football, I think SF isn't impossible.
>>155753183We are starting the 2nd string vs Turkey, so it doesnt really matter either way
>>155753029I think we theoretically could upset Brazil like if they played like they did against Morocco we have an alright shot it’s not like going against like Argentina france Germany Norway or something where we probably just die
>>155753206It would be Spain in the quarterfinal, not Brazil, theyre not even in our side of the bracket
>>155752889>Burger bros, what would be considered a successful run in this tournament for you?Only when we win and whoever is team captain or coach is (i have no idea what their names are) grabs the mic as he's lifting the trophy and says "we don't give a shit about soccer." Then he drops it and walks off the field.
>>155753183to be fair, we made the QF in 2002 and got horribly refballed there against Germany. Lost in ET in the RO16 in 2010. Lost comfortably to netherlands in RO16 in 2022, but weren't on the back foot by any means and got really punished for 3 tactical errors and lack of defensive discipline rather than getting played off the field. Given the talent on this team and home field, RO16 out against a team that isn't top tier wouldn't be a success.
>>155752889>>beating a well respected european team of the level of belgium, switzerland, croatia, etc?>>making the R16/QF/SF through the easier side of the draw?>>outperforming mexico?>>beating a highly regarded european team of the level of germany, the netherlands, portugal, etc?None of that stuff matters to me or the people I see on a regular basis day in and day out. I enjoy the spectacle of the event on /sp/. But without 4chan I wouldn't be watching most of the games I'm watching now. I'd probably watch team USA play.America is a big country. While I don't give a shit about soccer and most of my neighbors don't care, there are pockets of enthusiastic fans across the nation (Seattle for example). Will it be satisfying to win it all? Yes. Will I feel like my team has let me down if they don't make it far enough or beat the right teams? No. I'm just here for the banter...and spectacle.
>>155753183a QF would be exceeding expectations in the traditional sense, with people going "oh hey that was cool we did better than normal" and then forgetting about it. a SF would be necessary to use the tournament to launch a new wave of fervor in the sport domestically, which would be part of the point of hosting it in the first place.
burgerbros, redpill me on Dr Pepper and Mt Dew, they don't sell them here.
>>155752889If we get to the Semis and don’t go out in embarrassing fashion I’ll be happy. We can definitely do it.
>>155753300Both are good but Mountain Dew Code Red is the patrician's choice.
>>155753300an excellent and tasty way to grow tits
>>155753300Dr.pepper is just cola and root beer mixed
>>155753297A semifinal might awaken the sleeping giantFor the first time ever I saw kids in my neighborhood playing soccer in the street yesterday
>>155753218Spain would beat this team 3-0
>>155752889The worst possible scenario would be us winning the whole thing. Not only will this board be rendered unusable for at least a few days, but it’ll expedite the process of zoomers and gen alphas becoming insufferable soccer-obsessed faggots (not that there’s anything wrong with this sport as a whole, it’s just that the people who follow soccer in my country tend to be fringe in-group pseudointellectual faggots. That’s just the truth).
>>155753205Our second string isn’t a big step down, a lot of guys on there that either are or should be getting minutes with the main team already: Reyna, Aaronson, Weah, Wright, etc >>155753183We go out in the round of 16 so often that it’s basically expected. casual fan expectations are “yeah they’ll qualify but they won’t do anything in knockouts”, so making quarters would be a huge success just to take away from that narrative.
>>155753357We have a history of beating Spain
>>155753357how would spain do against Cabo Verde?
>>155752968speak for yourself. They're our only rival and every Mexican defeat (especially Dos a Cero) makes my dick hard. A successful run would include winning the R16, anything after that is a bonus. Outperforming L Tri or sending them home like in Korea/Japan would be kino
>>155753396oddly I support my CUMbros, but I also desperately need to outperform them.
>>155753183>fairly dominant overall h2hUSA have dominated Mexico in h2h in the last 15 years
>>155753206You're overrating Norway. I've watched both their games so far, Haaland is a generational player but defensively they're weak. I would rate you a higher chance of beating them than Brazil. >>155753027The Dutch always seem to get better as the tournament progresses, I would pay to see American-Dutch murderball in a knockout.>>155753275So in short, you're a tourist? >>155753232I remember this game, you were 3-0 up in 35 mins, I still don't know why that Portugal team underperformed so much that year. iirc there might have been some rigging by the Koreans when they beat them too. I can't tell if you rate your team highly or not in terms of talent, you have some great players like Balogun, Mckennie and Reyna, and then you have a load of extremely mid players in your starting xi that kind of leave you vulnerable.
>>155753380>>155753385Mls ultra retards
>>155752889QFs at least given the path
>>155753300I used to be addicted to the Dew. It tastes so good and I abused that caffeine in the afternoons when I got sleepy at work. I have never enjoyed the taste of Dr. Pepper.Currently I try not to drink a lot of soda. I still love the taste of Mr.Dew. But when I do get a soda it is usually a Coke.
>>155753434No zoomer. Mental shit like that matters.We have a history of beating Spain in soccer and war.
Success is winning the world cup. Anything less is failure. Simple as. If this is our so-called Golden Generation, win significant honors.
>>155753415I can never support Mexico. Don't mind the leafs, in fact I applaud their victories (except when they beat us ofc)
>>155753434lol wut does MLS have to do with cabo verde
We can potentially upset one major European power 1 time, but not 3 times in a row.That limits us to a semifinal appearance at best
>>155753300I like Dr. Pepper by Dew is elite
>>155753461Stupid ass. I looked up USA record for Spain bc I don't remember them ever playing and guess what? Spain has won 4 of 5
>>155753496I could see us upsetting Spain like we did in 2009 when they were the best team in the world. Then we would get bootyblasted by France in the semifinal.
>>155753464This.>mfw all these fags accepting of failure
>>155753498Drinking this stuff gave me the shits worse than indian food.
>>155753503yeah I'm not sure that other guy had a real point there, but at least we are 1-1 vs. spain in competitive matches. Still don't think that would factor into a hypothetical matchup now, most of the players wouldn't have watched and remembered 2009
>>155753526>too soft for mountain dewyuropoor >men everybody
>>155753503>doesnt remember the soccerb owlStupid fucking zoomer.We've only played them in one competitive match and we won. They were the best team in the world, we eliminated them, they literally cried on the field.
>>155753531>/sp/is so infested with zoomers and third worlders now that no one even remembers the megab owlJfc just kill me
>>155753545You were probably crying too as a little child in Mexico.
>>155753545We also ended their empire in the Spanish American war
>>155753183I am (delusionally) confident we make it to QF, because we have a pretty weak path. I think we'll get exposed by the good teams in said quarter final match but there's a small chance we can sneak a win versus a top team and move on, especially if the reffing stays consistent like it has. I haven't been paying attention to England at all, how's your path looking?
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>>155753300dr pepper is superior in everyway, but I rarely drink it, mt dew is goycattle slop, there is no alcohol you can mix with mt dew and it tastes good. dr. peper and brandy is fucking great
>>155753593England have to play Mexico in the Azteca at that elevationI dont think they realize yet how hard itll be to win that match
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>>155753564i don't think you read my post, because I specifically referenced the 2009 confed cup game. I was completely asshurt when we melted down vs. brazil and deuce was crying. However, you seem to be mistaken that the current players on our team feel the same way about that game as you do. Also, they beat us in the WC in 1950
>>155753439I met a guy who vaped mountain dew flavored juice WITHOUT NICOTINE so he could stop drinking mountain dew kek. I laughed in his face because I thought he was fucking with me, but he wasn't.
>>155753593What would be better, making it to a SF and getting trashed or honourably losing in a QF?
>>155753300Doctor Pepper is legitimately great, and surprisingly Diet Dr. Pepper is perhaps one of the greatest diet sodas to ever exist. I don't drink a lot of soda, let alone diet, but sometimes I'll go out of my way to get some. It's a weird mishmash of flavors that all come together and end up tasting great. Mountain dew is for sugar addicts and Voltage is great, baja blast is great, but the original is just kinda eh. It's pepsi's brand that they get to do a lot of "experimentation" with but that just ends up with them making like a billion different flavors and trying weird stuff, which occasionally works but mostly is just "huh guess there's a new flavor of dew out"
>>155753645You have it all wrong.It's not about what our current team thinks about it.That result will absolutely be in the minds of the Spanish players and their media.
>>155753689Making it to a SF, because that means we beat Spain in the QF
>>155753689Oh trashed for sure. I wouldn't mind being 5-0 in the SF if it means we MADE it to a SF. Now if it's a Brazil tier destruction on the world stage, that's different.
not shitting the bed to weaker opponents is the bare minimum and hopefully that means getting through the R16. beating a competitive peer or superior team on the strength of home turf support in QF would be a success for meif this isn't the event that gets the country on board with soccer idk what will. a whole generation of stars performing at a high level, sexy dudes, tons of goals, civic pride tourism going viral, convenient match times, a funny looking autistic viking guy, a good US team. this cup has it all.
>>155753689Making it to the SF would legitimately make people care finally
>>155753696Oh no, think of what the heckin *checks notes* Spanish media will be saying. Surely America will beat them now.
>>155753744Man it was so much fun walking around Boston and seeing waves of Scots just milling around and having a great time, it definitely upped civic pride for me. I felt like I wanted to be a good host and recommend people about cool shit that they might not have known about, was super fun and everyone was so eager and open to talk to.
>>155753778It absolutely matters. Sports are 75% mental.It's why England always struggles vs us.
>>155752889I think making the semis would be a serious win for the sport here. Personally, they have shat the bed so many times and have never beaten a contender. If they could upset someone to make the R8/R4, that would be cool.
Gonna need the proverbial Superb'Owl run. The world be damned
>>155753183We’ve owned Mexicos asses for years and years now and have been established as the best team in concacaf since like 2010
>>155753696i'm sure spain will bring that up fearfully and the 2009 confederations cup will dominate discussion ahead of the match
>>155753744>if this isn't the event that gets the country on board with soccer idk what wilNothing, and that's a good thing. Soccer is fundamentally unamerican. Once every 4 years it's a fine distraction but an America where soccer is actually popular is an America not worth living in.
>>155753812England record vs USA: 8-2-2. Reach in your ass and try something else.
>>155753860It was humiliating for them and every single player on that team watched it as a kid
>>155753879>including friendliesAre you 18 or something?England have a LOSING record vs USA in competitive matchesYou just lost all credibility you had
>>155752889Personally I’d be satisfied if we get to the Round of 16, but if we win it then it’s a big success for our team. Then it means we’re at least in the top ten and that’s a big tell on the difference in team management since past cups, and a huge boon for attention to the sport in this country.That said, Americans get a natural buff on home turf so we could go all the way.
>>155753887they won the world cup the following year bud
>>155753879England are 0-2-1 vs USA in competitive matches, including the most humiliating World Cup defeat in the history of their nation.
>>155753887yamal's parents were still counting his age in months
>>155753910It's obvious he doesnt watch the sport, and just looked up the record on Google without context and included friendlies
>>155753925What does that have to do with playing USA again? It only proves they were the best team in the world, and we eliminated them the year before.Anything is possible vs them in a 1 game knockout, we've literally done it before.
>>155752889I don't really care as long as we manage to make a substantial number of foreigners miserable.
>>155753988>Anything is possible vs them in a 1 game knockout, we've literally done it before.nobody disputed that. But I don't think they'll look at 2009 and think "thank god we dodged the US, that game would have scared us too much to win the World Cup." You're being retarded.
>>155753941Englandbros is this true?!?!
>>155754024History has a habit of repeating itself. Looking at all of the elite teams, give me the one led by an 18 year old.
>>155752889It’s not about how good the teams are, it’s about how much they care about soccer. I wouldn’t want to beat Brazil or Argentina to say that we're better, I want to beat them so they feel the shame of losing something that they live and breathe to a place that doesn’t give a rat's ass.Of course, for that to work we'd have to continue not giving a rat's ass so I’d rather bow out in the quarterfinals so we don’t get any loftier ideas. If it ever reaches a point that there's no real shame of losing to the US, the fun is over.Bottom line, maintain the image that we're aloof underdogs but take one or two good nations that care deeply down with us and enjoy the seethe it generates.
>>155754024I never said that! Only that the thought of that game will be in their mind. Anything that causes doubt is effective. We only have that history vs Spain, England, Portugal.After the first man broke the 4 minute mile mark, tons did it after him.When the human mind knows something is possible, it's much easier to achieve.We've already beaten and eliminated the best Spain team of all time. It can be done again.
>>155754081This. If this country ever actually starts liking gay ass soccer just fucking nuke it and start over.
>>155752889idk but im starting to like football
great success: qf
>>155753914On quality alone I don't think you're quite a top 10 nation, the home advantage is a huge deal and you should make good use of it. Knockout tournament football is the best way to watch international games but rarely a good metric for measuring who the best teams are. Argentina won in Qatar and I don't think many people would agree that they were the best team in the world at the time.
>>155754132Good. The whole "haha we don't really care about soccer we only care about cope and sneed" attitude is the worst thing about American fans. Nobody gives a shit about swimming but Phelps is a national treasure all the same.
>>155754320We don't care about the actual sport or club soccerWe absolutely 100% care about USA anything. It could be USA badminton and we'll care.Even my mom asked me about USA in the World Cup yesterday. People are caring.
>>155754364Because football is something you can arrange in the dingiest, most poverty stricken shithole in the world, I think US success would be different. Kids around the world get inspired to play by watching their national teams succeed so if it were to catch on with the zoomers (or whatever pre-zoomer gen will be called), I think that changes a lot.
>>155752889I was thinking there was a possibility for them to play July 4th, but not happening. That would have been the ultimate. As for what happens next, I'd love to see more play between the Northeast US and Western EU. Some specialty tourney where half the games are played here and the rest in England or whatelse. The Boston/Scotch connection was big, I think people are still processing the effect that had, hopefully it doesn't go to waste.
>>155754132it's called fruit ball
>>155754421It's an absolute travesty that USA isn't playing on July 4th. Once in a lifetime opportunity. The entire country would have watched.
>>155753008>beat France on pathLol wtf are you smoking
>>155754420american football is king, baseball, basketball. saying you're a soccer player dries women's pussies up and there's no big money contracts for it unless you're like .000001% of players, so basically no money, no pussy = no motivation to do it
>>155754504USA vs Australia had more USA viewers than the NBA final
>>155754132Did you play with Playmobil when you were a kid?
I've never seen kids playing soccer in my neighborhood until this weekSomething is happeningAnd I live in the south!
>>155754504>soccer player dries women's pussies uplmao, white women gush for soccer players because of the legs. They will tell you all about it if you know a single white woman.The lack of fame/status is there, but it can change based on the success of this tourney.
>>155754464I actually think it would've been bad for ratings.
>>155754504>implying i didn't play soccer and hook up with the football player's girlfriends during the summer when they were doing two-a-dayskek
>>155752889as of right now if the draw plays out as predicted its BIH rd 32 and egypt/ROK rd 16, so based on that i think QF is the expectation of baseline success. if we get to the SF that would be a very successful and admirable effort since we are outclassed by france argentina and spain and would have a difficult time with england germany morocco etc. tl;dr the first acceptable loss (tonight doesn't count) for me personally would be the QF
>>155752889Spaniard hereThe USA team has been playing very good against who? Teams. That said I will never root for them. My dad is from Zaragoza Spain, so since childhood he got me to support and root for the Spanish national team.
>>155752889Losing in quarters to a superior opponent, but being competitive.
>>155754540My son asked me for a Balogun jersey after the Paraguay game. Has never watched soccer before.
>>155754605>Spaniard hereWhy aren't you a Spaniard there? Like a Spaniard in Spain? Fuck off, spic.
>>155754674>hemad.jpeg
>>155753689don't we get a third place game for making SF?
>>155754821Yes
>>155753761lol we could win the whole thing and 90% of Americans would treat it like winning a gold medal in Olympic soccer. It’s not going to turn NFL fans into Premier League diehards overnight
>>155754913True. I didn't know the olympics and world cup were different things until like 6 months ago.
>>155754836yeah so in that case you take the sf even if you lose 50-0 because you've got two shots at some kind of hardware
>>155754420We already have baseball which is enjoyed in countries with fourth-world level poverty (that we inflicted on them)
>>155754913If the US makes it to the second round that alone will have more audience than the gold medal game in hockey a few months ago.
>>155754913The point is for kids to get inspired and want to playDo you know how many current gold medalists we have right now because they watched an American win gold at prior Olympics?It would absolutely have a huge effect
>>155752889Quarterfinals + competitive game vs Spain is the realistic minimum now due to placing 1st in our group and our pathway. Semifinals would be an amazing goal. Getting to a WC final would be a dream come true and winning it at home, well you know.
>>155754523>USA vs Australia had more USA viewers than the NBA finalThe World Cup is hyped into being more of a rare event that non sports fans like women and little kids watch for a month. Women and non sports fans aren’t going to watch an NBA Finals that happens every yearIn every country you have women and non sports fans watching their country’s matches but it doesn’t make them stay as your core audience of sports fans after that month is up or mean there was some established surge in popularity in a new generation that will stick
>>155754913look the only way anybody here is going to care about soccer intimately is if you rip up the PL and bring it here. you need 40-50 billionaires to buy the MLS clubs and just start ripping players across the water to play here, the best players, and then you gotta market the shit out of it, you gotta set millions and millions of dollars on fire paying for commercials, pundits, and influencers to shove it down everybody's throat, it has to be so clear that MLS is not a third tier league, its world class, here are the world class players to prove it, etcthen youd need a true club world cup where MLS doesn't fucking suckTHAT STILL DOESN'T deal with the fact that the entire first half of soccer season overlaps with college and pro football. there's an opening in the second half of soccer season, sorta. so even in ideal circumstances (all of the above done) its still gonna lose to the NFL. those world class players won't be appreciated here.the best we can hope for is exactly what's happening. we develop elite young talent, send it to Europe to keep developing, and maybe they fuck around into a trophy we cheer for every few years. there's simply no room for anything more than that here.
