>>92497564
The second most popular game in japan after call of cthulu. its flaw is that its a 1989 game so its harder to pick up and its specifically catered to appeal to the japanese.

>>92497564
only problems are it has like 8 or 10 perception skills (that only one, sometimes two, classes will reliably succeed) and the book/modules advise rolling for every-fucking-thing during exploration.

>>92497564
At least at a glance, it seems fine so far, if a bit messy. I can chalk some of that up to translation though.
There's the assumption of rolling for ability scores, though it's on top of a set of base stats which you can more freely pick, and the resulting ranges of modifiers are fairly lenient. Seems solid, especially since scores also seem to also improve at random.
The distinction of major/minor classes is rather interesting, where a degree of mixing classes is blatantly encouraged, where some classes offer pure utility.

Skill checks are 2d6 and assume you add your relevant class level, so that's pretty good for letting people specialize. Double 6s are auto-success and double 1s are auto failure, so not a major chance, but still a chance.
Penalties seem purely numerical, which could get fiddly with situational modifiers. They are stated as guidelines, though I'm not especially keen on that. Penalties also vary from -1 to -4, except most of the examples are just -2 or -4.
And some of those seem way worse than others. Like it's a -4 if you can't use either of your arms, but it's also a -4 for just fighting underwater (unless you're an elf, and then there's no penalty at all)
They are ultimately guidelines, so there's room to adjust to taste there, but it's something I would certainly adjust if I was running it.

The list of skill checks with time requirements, examples, and relevant classes is rather nice and codified. Maybe a bit strict in some ways, but since you just need a level in a relevant class rather than a specific skill, that makes it more broad.

The Power Table as a way to determine damage feels rather strange, though I think I'm just missing where Power of an attack is determined.
Spellcasting uses MP, unsurprisingly for something that's giving major JRPG vibes. The spell lists themselves seem quite short, though that's not exactly a bad thing.

Overall it seems solid enough. Perhaps a bit convoluted for such simple options.

>>92498094
Apparently the system is so tight that attempts to breaks some of the rules or homebrew for it usually break everything.

>>92497718
You're out of date by several years.
Both are less popular than D&D 5e now. CoC in particular has steeply dropped off, being essentially a short-lived fad.

>>92497718
Wonder why Call of Cthulhu caught on so much over there, though I do know the nips have a love for Lovecraft.

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>>92498188
Hasbro wins again. Crying shame.

>>92498188
>look it up
>official trailers and ads directed at Japan barely get any traction
>most fail to break 1000 likes

I'm calling shenanigans.

>>92498041
The implication I got was that the skills were moreso just categorizations of when certain checks would apply.
Since no matter what you end up rolling your Scout/Ranger class level alongside an ability modifier, they don't quite function as individual skills. The implication I got was simply that it was very worthwhile for characters to invest at least slightly into Scout/Ranger, since without at least one level you don't add your modifier either. And then there would be the option beyond that to invest more Scout/Ranger levels for a specialist.

The game seems to be fully built around multiclassing as a default.

>>92498180
I could certainly see that being the case. Everything feels incredibly meticulous. It could very well be that the -4 for underwater combat for non-elves or -4 for your arms being restrained are there for very specific reasons.
I mentioned that because it is the sort of thing that I could see people disliking, in terms of tracking variable numerical bonuses and penalties.

>>92498180
That sounds like a pretty damning indictment of the system. Is it really that inflexible?

>>92498342
From what I've read/watched, people love the system and think it's a lot of fun, there's just little to no wiggle room with it outside of your choice in combat style. It has two styles of combat, one that measures distance, and one that more closely simulates a JRPG. Homebrewing for it is apparently not easy at all.

>>92498401
ye say that, but there's also another style that is as close to grid based combat despite not using a grid, and a future sourcebook is actually adding grid based combat.

Also, two of the continents are pretty much designed for homebrew stuffs.

>>92498401
NTA. I did find a wikidot for the system, which is a plus since it means a lot of the rules are online in one place.
It does notably have a page for homebrew, although it really comes across more like houserules, like letting people add half their ability mod if they don't have the right class for a check, or making it so some Geomancer healing ability can't be used outside of combat since it would otherwise allow infinite healing.

I would expect that with such specific numbers in a lot of places, it would be hard to make something that fills in the gaps. Though it does look like supplements basically created entire brand-new subsystems for things like Bards and Geomancers, so I doubt it's outright impossible to homebrew. Merely something that would require more care, caution, and understanding of the system than people might be used to.

The system does seem like it already covers a lot of ground though.
Just for a though experiment a basic one might be for how easy it would be to either make a pyromancer within the existing rules, or otherwise homebrew a pyromancer by changing existing spells to be fire-based.

>>92498447
In 2.5? I thought there were only the two combat styles

>>92498277
Welcome to TTRPGs in Japan.
It's a tiny niche of a market, and also extremely fragile, to the point where even the biggest game can fade away within a few years because the community is so tiny and spread out.

>>92498574
in the core books, it shows Simple and "Standard" combat. But later sourcebooks have "Advanced" combat which also counts positioning and cover. And as mentioned earlier, an upcoming sourcebook has rules for Grid based combat. Hells, the translation group is prioritizing THAT book because of that type of combat.

Also, while advanced combat says it's not grid based, you can totally use a grid for it.

>>92498705
Might be due to a lot of their TTRPGs playing like worse board games. I was listening to some of the previews for the FFXIV TTRPG... and woof, it's rough.
>no role playing mechanics
>bare bones combat
>no character building at all
>roll to deal damage, roll better to do more damage, no fails on anything
>built around playing like a pen and paper version of the mmo.... which is more or less a schmup...
Sword World seems to stand out a bit from that. From what I can find, DnD has all but fizzled like the rest.
>>92498785
Aaaah, gotcha.

>>92498194
It didn't really catch on in any great capacity. and the years it was big are pretty easy to explain. It's less "Why did CoC catch on?" and more "Why did D&D sell so poorly?"

The answer is that WotC didn't do any real marketing (and they still largely don't), and the tie-in video game that was planned for 4e got scrapped. Even 3rd edtion only saw any popularity in Japan largely thanks to Never Winter Nights, and this was also the case in many non-US countries.

Basically, CoC filled in the vaccum that 4e created, and also did well before 5e managed to gain any traction, thanks again to next-to-no serious marketting from WotC. But, with the release of BG3, suddenly Japan is aware of the new edition, and it's catapulted to the top. It's a question of how long it will stay there though, but my guess is that it won't last particularly long, because the much smaller Japanese TTRPG market is incredibly volatile thanks to its size.

>>92498447
>>92498570
>Just for a though experiment a basic one might be for how easy it would be to either make a pyromancer within the existing rules, or otherwise homebrew a pyromancer by changing existing spells to be fire-based.
And to demonstrate what I mean here, something as innocuous as changing a Sorcerer's Energy Bolt to Fire Bolt led me to discover how many monsters have elemental weaknesses, the fact that those elemental weaknesses would often mean basic spells deal 30%-50% extra damage, and the fact that the game already has a Fire Bolt spell which is the same damage as Energy Bolt, but one level higher on a different class (specifically the Fairy Tamer which seems far more elemental-focused and more ideal for somebody making a fire mage).

I could very easily see somebody new to the system falling into the same pitfall I did. Seeing that a Sorcerer gets a Fireball spell, and figuring it wouldn't change much if the Sorcerer's other damage spells were also Fire.
I'm sure it'd be possible to do homebrew mechanics, but I can see even at a glance how it might require more care if even something as basic as this could cause problems.

>>92498915
>something as innocuous as changing a Sorcerer's Energy Bolt to Fire Bolt
That's not innocuous, adding the ability to set things on fire is a real game-changer. You've been playing too many tabletop video games and not enough RPGs.

>>92498856
I wonder if BG3 opened them up to try more than their 2 D6 tradition.

>>92498948
>That's not innocuous
It quite literally is. But if you don't like that example, it would also apply if the spell created a burst of wind, because there are also enemies vulnerable to that.

>You've been playing too many tabletop video games
Have you looked at the rules of the system we're discussing? It's a JRPG on paper.

>>92498948
>adding the ability to set things on fire is a real game-changer.
Energy Bolt is a Rank 1 spell. Fire Bolt is Rank 2. Ice Bolt is Rank 3. Windcutter is also Rank 3. Pebble Shot is Rank 4.
All of these spells have very similar costs and damage.
Do you think a spell being capable of lighting fires is less of a game changer than throwing a rock? Because the system thinks that the rock is more valuable.

>>92499184
>It quite literally is
If you can't see how giving somebody the ability to create fire where they previously had only nondescript energy opens up a wide variety of potential utility, there's nothing that can be done for you.
>it would also apply if the spell created a burst of wind,
Which would also not be an innocuous change, since you can do a bunch of shit with the ability to produce gusts on demand that you can't do with a generic energy blast.
This is an RPG. It's meant to be about creative problem solving, so start interacting with the world creatively instead of just pushing buttons on your sheet.

>>92499320
You're right. I can see how it would be.
I can also see how somebody trying to homebrew the system might think that it wouldn't be a big deal.

>>92499278
>Because the system thinks that the rock is more valuable.
Unless everything in the system has a weakness to Earth, that's completely ridiculous.

>>92499385
>Unless everything in the system has a weakness to Earth, that's completely ridiculous.
Right. Somebody looking at the system might see that same sort of thing, dismiss it off-hand, and go about making changes to the ranks of different elements of spells due to their own bias about what they see as useful.
But the fact that vulnerabilities do make up such a sizable portion of damage would indicate that such changes being made haphazardly could easily fuck things up.

It might very well be the case where Pebble Shot really is a ridiculously undertuned spell, but I could see people making the assumption for a lot of spells and changing them around thinking it's not a big deal. That's the point I was trying to make.

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AAAAAH WHEN WILL RAXIA LIFE BE TRANSLATED PLEAS AUQUID-SAMA I NEEEEED EXPANDED WORK SKILLS AND RANDOM ADVENTURE GENERATION eternal empire would be nice too kthx

>>92499587
I mean, if you can find scans or scan a physical copy yourself, yandex has a tool that will just auto translate the text it sees fairly accurately.

>>92498948
In non-combat terms, starting a fire is generally no harder than striking flint against tinder. Fire is only a game-changer in battle if your game has a way to account for the primal avoidance response.

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>>92497564
>soulless
>generic
>safe
that art is the japanese equivalent of picrel

>>92498188
Did they reintroduce it to Japan? I remember when Faraway Paladin was airing, the author said that he was bummed about the Japanese translations for DND books ceasing. 5E seems to be in a not so good place at the moment over there. But that was years ago.
>>92498194
Girls liked it for horror, roleplay emphasis, but also people making replays of their spooky story campaigns for internet videos.
>>92498212
Is this official art? This actually looks cool, is this in the Japanese books?

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>>92502912
Give us back the SOVL!

>>92497564
I've never seen a PDF of it, is it even translated?

>>92502978
>Did they reintroduce it to Japan?
The way WotC used to do things is for translations, they'd let companies in the country handle translation and publishing; WotC basically just sold them a license, and they didn't even QC the translations (probably because they couldn't). But, in 2021, WotC switched its policy and took back those licenses, and then pumped out some new translations into a few markets, including Italy and Japan. A lot of people in Japan thought this was the first time the books were being translated into Japanese, even though there had technically been a Japanese translation for years.

Add the D&D movie, BG3, the Critical Roll Animation, and vtubers, and to top it all off, CoC having spent the last few years fading pretty hard as a fad, and 5e was ripe for a "second" attempt, and it quickly dominated the TTRPG scene there.

>>92503222
Yes.

whole bunch of 'em here:
drive.google.com/drive/folders/1tg3hNkIw7sgAI8PH8XTEyMy6jpUO-thD

>>92503362
Huh

What's the next JTRPG to be translated? I hope it's Metallic Guardian.

>>92504627
likely Satasupe, then something else.

>>92499587
Since this book asked for several times already, moved Raxia Life to summer in the plan. (next time better to ask in our Discord, since this is not where I am usually)

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>>92504627
>>92504627
I know the guy tling Metallic Guardian, he's on hiatus right now.
Me? I'm currently tling Embryo Machine RPG.

>>92501330
>Fire is only a game-changer in battle if your game has a way to account for the primal avoidance response.
Or if you have real environments instead of mere backdrops. Consider such environments as:
>a library
>a dry savanna
>a coal mine (or other such underground area filled with flammable gases or solids)
>a village with any of: thatched rooves, wooden walls, timber beams inside the buildings
Setting any of these on fire can have significant effects on the progress of any combat going on within the environment.

>>92500118
>auto translate the text it sees
Those tools have a nasty tendency to struggle with concepts like line breaks and multiple columns. If you're machine translating from image like that, the workflow you want is an OCR program (Google Docs works really quite well) to transcribe the text, a proofreading pass to make sure it hasn't had any attacks of retardation, and then feed it into your translator of choice using proper paragraphs. That also allows you to set up the whole book's JP text so you can use find-replace on proper nouns and defined game terms.

>>92506297
Bro I know what you’re trying to get at here but 5e also explicitly states that low level fire spells don’t start fires.
Your imaginary scenarios work at your table and also on mine but don’t act like that anon is a retard by going with assumptions that are true in many RPGs and especially with the Japanese who don’t do RPGs that way

>>92506297
A lot of those situations sound like cases where having fire magic would be more of a hinderance than a help. You don't want to accidentally burn down the library or village you're in when you miss an attack, or get the entire party killed because you hit an underground gas pocket.

And like he said, if you need to start a fire, it's pretty easy to just strike up a torch. And if it's that tactically advantageous to start a fire in the midst of battle, then spending your entire turn lighting and throwing a torch is gonna be just as effective.

>>92498856
That's literally every TRPG market that isn't US or English speaking country in general. You will have obscure national system that's only know and played in the given country, DnD if any form of localisation exists and then odds and ends that were translated by some hobbyist in 90s played by less than 100 people total.

>>92506645
>100 people total
No, it performed remarkably well in Japan during the 80s and 90s, but TSR missed the opportunity and was surpassed by domestic games.>>92506645

https://www.tokyodev.com/articles/the-rise-and-fall-of-dnd-in-japan

>>92498188
Judging from yellow submarine sales and people I know who live in japan, objectively wrong and a gross misrepresentation of how ttrpgs are played in japan.
They are very oneshot focused, campaign play is relatively rare and often times they play a game one session, then play something else. They may come back to the game, but its what it is.
Sword World and CoC are consistently in the top 5 of yellow submarines sales charts, year after year. Often its actually the sword world supplements that released that year topping the charts, which is pretty indicative of how mass-adopted the game actually is.
5e is sometimes in the top 10, but thats about it.
Hasbro shill go fuck yourself.

>>92498342
Its not as inflexible as people make it out to be. There is tons of homebrew (in japanese) for the game, actually. The english community also produced a bunch of homebrew content.
The skill system, which a lot of people seem to hold up as super rigid and restrictive is also a lot less strict then people make it out to be. It is very easy to make up skill checks on the fly, letting you as the GM or a player use any class and ability score mod. Together if you so choose, because all a skill check is is just class level + ability score mod. + 2d6.
I tend to stick to the paradigm of scout ranger sage being the skill monkeys, but there are situations where I as a gm feel like anyone should be able to make a check so I call for adventurer level instead, or when a player wants to mess around with a magitech device, I call artificer + int, and so on.
Its just that notepad said "its too perfect" and now people keep repeating that sentiment. From years of experience of playing the thing, I tell you its a lot more robust and homebrew friendly than you would first expect.
Races, Items, classes, spells, monsters... You can homebrew in what you feel is necessary. I also use a couple of house rules, without the whole game breaking down, so yeah.

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>>92507208
>Judging from yellow submarine sales
When was the last time you checked, 2020?

>mass-adopted
No TTRPG is "mass-adopted" in Japan. Hell, I'd argue they're not actually mass-adopted anywhere, but particularly not in Japan. We're talking niche among niches, and even just FotM RPG tie-ins to random Video Games or Anime get rocketed to the top spot during their month of release before disappearing into obscurity shortly thereafter, thanks to the incredibly small size of the market.

>hasbro shill
>filthy gaijin who are not even up-to-date
>This game is bad cuz I can't homebrew my fanfic!

God, can someone just open a /jtrpg/ thread already, it has been months since the last thread.

>>92498188
This is just an outright lie, lol. Nips don't care about 5e.

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>>92507635
Last week, SW and CoC were within the top 5, and surprise, Nechronica too

Looking at the Yellow Submarine sales, checking Talto.cc, booth.pm, published replays, niconico douga, youtube replays and other places where users can upload TRPG content. Looks like D&D 5e was the fad in Japan.

>>92507773
Nips don't care about any TTRPG. Market is about the same size as accordian players in Japan.

>>92507776
>Nechronica
Good ol' Nechronica.
Hopefully that helps you understand how small and wonky the Japanese market is.
I'm actually willing to bet there's more people who visit /tg/ than play TTRPGs in Japan.

>>92508412
You don't exist, since there are less than 0,000000001% of the world's population know or care about your existence.

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>>92507635
>>92508412
>>92508452
Why do we care about populations of something again? I'm a translator of several jtrpg, the people who know about me or my works are probably less than the finger in my hand (that might decrease since my day job is in the field lol)
But if people and my friend can play and read it, that is what matters the most to me.
Do things need to be big, or popular to enjoy it?

>>92508573
It's just that small markets are volatile, ie. games change "rankings" constantly with the sales of relatively few books. But, there's some guys going around trying to spread this lie (a few youtubers in particular) about "CoC IS HUGE IN JAPAN" as a point of advertisement, when in reality no TTRPG was big in Japan, and even CoC's player numbers have dropped dramatically in recent years.

I'm not knocking what you do, and do wish TTRPGs were bigger in Japan, in no small part because the game design sensibilities have really diverged from any Western Games and there's lot of interesting ideas developing there. What particularly interests me is how the Japanese are a lot less resistant to taking video game RPG concepts and closing the circle by bringing them back into TTRPGs.

>>92497564
>hear that Sword World 2.5's only flaw is its "too perfect"
Nobody who says this is telling you the truth and if you have even an 85 IQ you should be able to recognize that.

>>92501330
>if your game has a way to account for the primal avoidance response
Doesn't all games? The players and the GM are meant to react to situations as appropriate. If you don't want to roleplay, why are you playing roleplaying games?

>>92507773
It's D&D's own problem, they fucked up marketing to Japan during AD&D. If they had properly laid the groundwork they could have made bank on the anime boom in the West.

>>92507021
>TSR missed the opportunity
TSR deliberately opposed the opportunity because they were retards. Same reason they pulled the D&D license from Citadel/GW and ended up creating Warhammer.

>>92507776
>Advanced Fighting Fantasy 2E scenario at number 1
I call bullshit, nobody plays AFF.

>>92508726
>they could have made bank
The grand joke is no TTRPG sells well. Not even just in Japan, but in general. Even hitting a few thousand copies is essentially a big success.

Even D&D, best selling TTRPG of all time can't survive on book sales alone. Hell, it makes the vast majority of its money via liscenses, for things like merchandise and video games. A lot of people have this expectation that TTRPGs are a huge business, but the people who play the games the most don't actually make all that many purchases over the lifespan of a game.

Even if AD&D hit Japan right at the ideal moment, right in the middle of their enconomic boom and somehow managed to corner the entire TTRPG market there, it would have been a drop in a very small bucket.

You don't get into selling TTRPGs because you love money.

>>92499570
>It might very well be the case where Pebble Shot really is a ridiculously undertuned spell
A thought: How does Pebble Shot differ results-wise from just beaning somebody with a rock from a sling? Seems to me that they're conceptually identical, just one's magic and the other isn't. If they are identical or very similar then putting it at rank 4 is pretty rude.

>>92508848
>Even if AD&D hit Japan right at the ideal moment, right in the middle of their enconomic boom
Isn't that exactly what Basic did, and did quite well until TSR pulled the plug on the line?

>>92508936
Pebble Shot is Power 10 while a Sling is Power 12. Though I will say that at a glance, it seems like the main upside of a Sling over a Shortbow is that getting silver ammo for it is cheaper.
I expect Pebble Shot might have some upsides for being magical, but I'd also expect that any upsides it would have would also apply to all the other spells with Power 12 that I saw.

I will say that the Fairy Tamer class that actually gets these spells does seem like it has systems in place where you're not expected to be freely accessing all of them at once. So it's possible that Pebble Shot is purposefully undertuned in order to make Earth slightly less good due to one of its other spells being better, or something like that.
Like just for the sake of further comparison, the level 1 Earth spell is Snare to knock someone prone, while the level 1 Fire spell is Tinder, and ignites things with a touch. It could very well be the case where Fire gets the lowest rank damage spell on purpose.

That's the thing I've been trying to illustrate/puzzle out, that there might be a reason here for why things are listed how they are. And by extension, why Sword World might be a deceptively challenging game to try and homebrew, if it really is all this meticulously laid out.

>>92508971
We don't really know. Any concrete numbers are scant at best.

>>92507289
How long have you been running it and do the players tend to enjoy it more or less than 5e? I'm torn between it, Mouse Guard, and Ryuutama and I'm debating on which to buckle down and learn first for my friends who are wanting to play a ttrpg but want to try something different from DnD.

>>92497564
>sword world
>rabbit monster has a staff
>girl isn't even armed
Dropped

>>92498212
the lizard dude sword seems hollow, also his wrist is missing

>>92509453
Sucks that you have to use a feat slot for [Weapon prof A/Throwing] to even get to use the sling (and probably [Targeting] too to avoid friendly fire). The sling should have been a rank B weapon instead (with lower power level).

>>92509781
Only the protagonist matters, duh. Girl and rabbit are accessories.

>>92509781
What if the rabbit summons swords and the girl is a sword

>>92508848
I think TTRPG's found a bit of success when Critical Roll hit the limelight. It made it more of a fad and approachable, but it also changed how the masses approached the hobby. For a while there Hasbro treated it like a flagship IP, but its popularity is already dwindling again down to hobbyists.

>>92509781
>Calling the Tabbit a monster
Fucking Barbarous trying to start shit.

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>>92509795
For a second I thought that was going to be a funny oversight on WotC part, but it turns out they just released portraits of the characters so that was probably created by somebody else.

>>92498833
Japanese RPGs in general are more about railroading. The DM has a story, the players follow it more, and don't really make choices. RP is less prominent, and rolling dice to tell you stuff is far better. A lot of by the rules games as well.

>>92509871
The coolest dragonborn I've ever seen, wotc ones suck ass

>>92497564
i want to ask something here, how much difference there is between 2.5 and 2.0?

>>92502978
>This actually looks cool
Homie it looks fucking HORRIBLE

>one of the nip sites I visit had a flash sale for 2.5 1-3 for 38 bucks

I couldn't help myself. This thread made me really want to run it and if the group ends up liking it (which I think they will) I know I'll want em on the book shelf.

>>92510201
Big armored girl does stuff to me even though I'm sure that was WotC throwing a tantrum for it and probably hated the breast plate with a passion.

>>92510160
If you want to know specific gameplay changes check the "Start guide to Granzale", on page 97+ it shows all main changes (also Auquid, the translator, has a note on some changes not explained on that supplement).
Link is on >>92503748
for the Granzale guide go to Supplements/World Guides
for the "using sword world 2.0 on 2.5" note go to Resources/others

As for main "content" differences:
- Different continents. Main continent is Alframe on 2.5, Terastier on 2.0, and Keldion/Razeldawn as the Empty "free use" continents for their respective version.
- Lots for races on 2.0 are missing from 2.5, but you can still use them on 2.5 games (either set on the 2.0 continents or immigrants coming to the 2.5 continents). There is even a scenario made for that travel, "Voyage to the alframe continent".
- Some classes are missing between versions and may not come back. One changed a lot (Warlock) because how daemons worked on 2.0 is different to 2.5 (On 2.5 if you let your daemon pet free for too long it literally opens a portal to hell and makes a dungeon on the other side).
- You actually have adventurer ranks on 2.5 (you buy with reputation points), which is up to the GM for it to actually matter (tho there are some examples on how it would work)
- There is no level 16+ supplement on 2.5 yet, only on 2.0 (tho you can still use it, it would be nice to have one for 2.5)

I think that's most changes that comes to mind rn. But in general, you can use whatever is available on 2.0 for 2.5 games with almost no issue (unless it has custom rules, on which case use those instead)

>>92510616
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but why did 2.5 become the de facto version of Sword World when it sounds like 2.0 with less options?

>>92510814
Probably because its the newest version, and the one that is still getting supplements to this day. 2.0 had 10 years of content before 2.5 released, so there may be atleast 4 more years of 2.5 content before 3.0 is released (if there is even a 3.0), which may include those missing races and classes.

Not that you can't play with 2.0, but i think it may be a bit harder to move 2.5 content to 2.0, than it is from 2.0 to 2.5 (tho if you invert the changes on the granzale guide to 2.5 classes and races then i think you can technically do that). Also the community is also translating the original Sword World RPG if you want to try that instead.

>>92511102
Oh I don't mind that, I just think it's weird that 2.5 is so beloved when it just sounds like it removed systems but maybe the refinements to the core mechanics are what put it above 2.0 as well (or just the fact they are still making content for it like you said).

If it's good it's good, I just wish I could understand why they cut so much out as it sounds like a downgrade more than a .5.

>>92511373
*removed systems/races

>>92497564
I'm actually working on setting up a game right now. I'm keeping it really simple and only using core I with the character builder.
Thinking of doing a basic dungeon crawl in Granzale and seeing where everyone wants to go from there.

Have a Runefolk Gunner/Sage, Human Fighter/Conjurer, Lykant Grappler/Scout/Ranger and a Nightmare Fighter/Sorc.

I know nip ttrpg's are more balanced around a full party, but would I be able to run a game with a total of three players (including me)?

>>92511373
From what i have played and read, i think more than removing, they either just simplified or made some changes to the gameplay for ease of use. An example is how on 2.0 you had 2 combat feats that were made to avoid stray shots (one for ranged and one for magic) while on 2.5 they combined it on the [Targeting] feat, or how they added the combat preparation "round" to all battles so people can prepare a bit before combat. Basically changes so people have it an easier time while playing

While the missing content is mostly part of supplements that doesnt have a similar book released on the other version yet (like there is still not a barbarous book yet on 2.5, but apparently one will release in a few months). So that's why 2.5 still has the options to use 2.0 content until they have a proper book about it.

Tho that doesnt mean 2.5 doesn't add some content exclusive to that version. Classes like the Battle Dancer (High mobility Glass Cannon) and the Geomancer (RNG buffs); Races like Meria(plants), Lykants(Werewolfs but for different animals), Tiens(Literally made to beat Daemons), Abyssborn(Born in a hell dungeon), Alv(Mana vampires) and Spriggans(Halfling Turn Giant), and these not counting the rare races, which are basically subspecies with different stats and buffs than the regular version (like how on this game Elfs are mostly from fishermen villages near the sea while Mist Elfs are the tree-loving race).

The whole Abyss (Hell) stuff going on in the continent (literally you can enter your own personal hell with friends and gain loot from it), especially the north as there is an open portal covering the north pole and the only thing stopping it from getting bigger is a giant wall around it...oh and trains, 2.5 added magic trains (and a train-loving god).

>>92511778
If your Runefolk is a gunner (as in with an actual gun) then remind them to have both Marksman and Artificer classes, as there is no Gunpowder on the setting and bullets use Magitech spells to be powered up and Marksman is used for the accuracy. Bad news, you require more resources with both bullets and MP. Good news, is that bullets can't be resisted, and the enemy takes magic damage (Defense doesnt work on bullets)...and you can technically turn your bullets into healing bullets so you can point blank heal your companions.

>>92512141
Campaign books can even be played solo, and most campaign and scenarios have different settings on each encounter depending on party size (it will either add more enemies to the encounter or increase the boss stats), so not really an issue if you play with 3 players.

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>>92512206
>magic trains

Double sold.
But I get what you're saying now. Sword World 2.0 had years of support and content and 2.5 is more than just additional content but less than a Sword World 3... so it's treated somewhere between a new game and an expansion with refinements and streamlining.

It's fun, and honestly not hard to run. It's player facing, you can make companion NPCs that practically run themselves if you have a small party, the setting is kino and there's lots of content.

That said, the campaign and adventure modules suck ass. They play more like board games than RPGs, reward grinding by replaying missions like some JRPG, there's little to no story on them (introducing a named NPC just to have it be completely irrelevant to the plot), and I swear most of them weren't playtested and just add extra rules for complexity's sake; an example, there's a campaign where you fight demons inside a rift that replicates the night that an ancient civilization fell. You eventually find the illusion of a princess who died that night being attacked by a spider scorpion thingie, her soldiers trying to protect her. Not only is the encounter quite unfair for third level characters, it's also the THIRD non optional encounter of the campaign and it even has extra rules about how many soldiers the mofo kills each round and will eat the arm of the princess if all soldiers die. Guess what? HAVING HER ARM NOT EATEN DOES NOTHING. No extra rewards, no plot impact, nothing. I remind you, this is an illusion, something that already happened, and changing the events of that night does jack shit for the plot or the characters. You only make a ghost girl that accompanies the party during the adventure feel less shit about it. By the way the girl only speaks TWICE during the entire fucking campaign.

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>>92509871
The artist is "Chomoran"
If his hentai works are any indication, that poor half-elf cleric is going to get wrung out by that boobplate fighter.

>>92512331
Yeah just using gunner as the shorthand for artificer/marksman.

>>92512341
I thought JRPGs are what they are because of necessity but they really do like that shit.

>>92512338
Yep that's exactly it (and i kinda feel stupid as i couldn't explain it that easy and instead posted a wall of text). I guess 2.5 will end up having almost as much content as 2.0 has when the next version drops, but probably not reach that amount just because how much 2.0 had.

>>92512341
they feel like "choose your own adventure" books doesn't it. I like the JRPG grind so i don't really mind it, but if you want a proper adventure with more actual consequences its better to play some scenario or campaign made by other players. It will totally feel more like a proper adventure.

>>92512351
Nice, i wish you the best for your group and i hope its fun for them and you all can keep playing it.

>>92512538
Nah, I appreciate you being thorough to be honest. Kinda put me at ease investing the time to learn 2.5 instead of 2.0 as you'd initially think more=better. I appreciate ya.

>>92511373
Well, removed isn't exactly right, since 2.5 is backwards compatible with 2.0 Material, so you can still use all of it. They just didn't reprint/rework everything quite yet. I think the new content 2.5 provides makes more than up for whats "missing", imo.
The only thing I really miss is playable barbarous races. I think some of them could use a rework/rebalance, and a 2.5 barbarous supplement could open the door for new barbarous not seen in 2.0.

>>92513019
technically there is a few playable Barbarous races in 2.5.
namely Weaklings of Basilisks, Garudas, Minotaurs, and Tannoz.

But you can easly just use older rules for the other races.

>>92512349
That's official DnD art tho.
Are you telling me Hasbro accidentally let a hentai artist do their promo art for 5e?

>>92514974
Hasbro allowed Larian to make a D&D game with fully modelled dicks in it, hiring a hentai artist is nothing in comparison.

Considering there are some DM's in the thread that have run it, mind sharing some general tips or things that might snag you up with learning/running it?

>>92508697
I understand the appeal of this, but, a game is just a fully automated ttRPG. The vast number of mechanics that exists in video games will never translate back to ttRPGs.

Here is a great example, where is the tactical (swat) shooter ttRPG market at even though FPS tactical shooters are through the roof in popularity?

I'm not here to shit on your parade, but videos games are the natural evolution of point of ttRPGs. We are effectively just moving backwards by doing this; I grant you that do to the loss of free roam/reign this seems desirable, but with more powerful AI (i.e. performance) cores in everyday computing I no longer view it as a good thing.

>>92515082
maybe I could import that game one day... ...maybe.

>>92515474
There's a translated PDF for all three core books on the other site. Should be the top search link. There's no actual, official translation, though, so any physical book you get will be in Japanese or printed off of one of those pdfs.

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>>92515652
I ment the DS game.
"Sword World 2.0 Game Book DS"

>>92515652
Do you have the link by any chance? I get a reddit link and it looks to only have the first core rulebook on there

>>92516397
Same thing linked earlier.
>>92503748

>>92516436
Cool, thank you. Gonna start reading it tonight.

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Anyone has that homebrew of using Aristocrat rules for social situations in general?

>>92519518
What the fuck are the "weaklings"?

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>getting into character creation and classes

This is already really neat. Everything just feels so tight and well organized and I haven't even gotten to the combat mechanics yet. I'm gonna be kind of jealous of my friends who get to be players.

>>92498188
The only people playing 5E in Japan are expats.

>>92512349
>The artist is "Chomoran"
>If his hentai works are any indication
based,please never change japan.

>>92519518
What book were Fluorites introduced in? I like the concept.

>>92502912
you have shit taste, this art is pure soul.

>>92519638
Sword World art, Yes. The art he posted, No.

>>92519556
>Weaklings are mutants born among the Barbarous with few soul scars. They choose to leave Barbarous society and live with the Humanoids.
>This book allows you to select one of four races with different characteristics: Garuda, Tannoz, Basilisk, and Minotaur.
You gotta read the picture.

>>92519556
it's a barbarous, the word used for tribes of enemies from goblins to shapeshifting dragons, but for some weird reason it's born closer to humans in appearance.

>>92519556
Having never heard of this before, I'm going to hazard a guess based on the little artworks in the picture there.

Kemomo.

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>>92497564
been playing with my friends in Fairy Garden

module sucks ass or my DM is just so shit giving us directions to places and calculating encounters. we get more or less 3 encounters per game and the last encounter is TPK 2/3 times everytime. outside of that the system is fun and fast to play and when we got things going allright it shows. i fucking love fairy tamer/fencer. got an idea for running west marches with it with the whole buying levels with XP and that adventurer's guilds are built into the systems

>>92519617
Fluorite were introduced in 2.0 Cardia Grace.

>>92519518
Iirc, this rule was using adventure level + spirit (essentially a willpower roll). I also remember in some 2.0 book that it recommended when you need a roll for information gathering, to use some class appropriate to the situation + spirit. An example would be someone chatting to some guards to roll a warrior class like fighter + spirit.

>>92515072
Ive played sword world extensively so I can offer some suggestions.
1. Have a boss monster that has no more then 2 higher accuracy/evasion (at lower level this is probably just 2 levels higher) then your warrior classes. The reason for this is that due to the probability curve of a 2d6 and that the passive side wins draws, if the boss has 3 or higher then your warriors are likely never going to hit it (8.66% chance). Later on this changes cause theirs lots of ways to increase accuracy but its good enough.
2. Instead of calling out a skill package like in 2.5, imo you should call out class + stat. An example would be tinkering with some magitech might be artificer + dex or artificer + int. (this also feeds back into the earlier discussion about people feeling the skill packages are restrictive)
3. Be cautious when using multiple section monsters with a main section, since if the party kills this main section then the entire monster will be killed.

You can find the google drive for all 2.0 and 2.5 translated documents at one of the reddit threads or in the sword world english discord.
You can find a helpful updated wiki with all 2.5 spells and such at http://sw25.wikidot.com/

>>92509894
You're completely fucking wrong and retarded. They have detailed scenarios for quick play, but the whole point is running YOUR character through it and reacting how they would.

>>92521804
>Instead of calling out a skill package like in 2.5, imo you should call out class + stat. An example would be tinkering with some magitech might be artificer + dex or artificer + int. (this also feeds back into the earlier discussion about people feeling the skill packages are restrictive)

Not that anon but you mean treat the skill rolls of scout and Ranger as the things restricted to them rather than all the things in the game?

>>92521804
>2. Instead of calling out a skill package like in 2.5, imo you should call out class + stat. An example would be tinkering with some magitech might be artificer + dex or artificer + int. (this also feeds back into the earlier discussion about people feeling the skill packages are restrictive)

A video I watched on playing described it like this too. It makes a lot more sense in practice.

>>92522080
Not them but yeah, the skill packages exists because Scout, Ranger and Sage cover most checks, but there are still some check that use other classes, and a few cases on which there are no premade skill checks for the action, so you gotta improvise.

Also even on the same package classes will have different values. For example if on the Observation package your ranger has a 5 bonus, while your scout has 3, you may have a harder time doing a search check on the city because ranger can't use search outside natural environments.

So it may be better to just say to use class+modifier to avoid confusion with your players and use the packages when there is no way they can get confused.

>>92519888
On this game, the difference between a Humanoid (elf, dwarf, those bidepal rabbits, humans, etc) and Barbarous (Ogres, Lamias, Drakes, etc), is how corrupted their soul is. The more corrupt it is the more Barbaric they are.

Weaklings are Barbarous with low corruption and so look more humanoid, are weaker than regular barbarous, and because of that they are hated by their society. Thus they prefer to join humanoid society if possible (that also applies to other low corruption barbarous that doesnt have murderous tendencies, like Kobolds).

>>92508573
keep your fingers safe anon

>>92498188
I'm not so sure about that. SW 2.5 rulebooks and supplements are selling relatively well even after so many years. So does CoC.

Meanwhile, DnD 5th ed barely came to Japan two years ago, so it's kind of a novelty.

Anyway, I doubt DnD will ever become 'big' in Japan, for the same reason SW was created in the first place. It's run by a Western company with disdain to its fans. Try to publish a DnD session replay in print without Wizards written permission...

>>92524932
>Try to publish a DnD session replay in print without Wizards written permission...
Everybody has written permission, it's the OGL. You don't think Hobby Japan wrote to WotC for permission to make Metalhead d20 or Wares Blade d20, do you?

>>92527025
NTA but that first incident was way before d20.

>>92527025
ye sure that WotC was behind D&D at that time, I remember TSR was at the helm then.

The more I read into the rules the more fun it sounds.

I really like how exp works like a currency for major and minor classes, and I like how you roll for a characters backstory but the player can add their own flavor on it once it's figured out. I was torn between this and three other games, but I'm glad I went with this one first.

So if I'm reading this right, do you roll for your starting class or is that up to the DM's discretion? Or I guess that one roll can be up to luck as it seems each starting class gives you enough exp for another major class or a couple minors.

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>>92531792
Scratch that, I get what they are doing now. So you either get a good start or a great start but either way they give you enough exp to make more or less what you want right off the bat, it's just that you have a chance to roll well and get a little boost to your start.

Also, this race is gonna attract a very specific player.

>>92532031
there's also Miakis (Cat folks) and Lycanthropes (look human, but can go full beast) that have rules in 2.0

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>>92532221
I'm still carefully reading the rules in the character creation section, but I'm seeing how it'd be easy to bring over the 2.0 races so it'll be exciting to see what's all in there. It's a really neat system they've got going on... though Tabbits seemed to have gotten screwed from a stat standpoint, but maybe their racial ability makes up for it?

>>92527025
OGL doesn't do what you think it does.
It allows access to the game rules, because everyone already has access to the game rules; you can't copyright game rules in the first place. All in all, the OGL doesn't actually do anything, but it looked like WotC was bestowing a grand gift to everyone because most people don't really understand copyright law.

What the OGL does NOT provide, and is even explained in the OGL because of course they would use that document to outline the few things they can actually protect, is give access to anything related to the "D&D Brand Identity." You can't use the D&D logo (or name), you can't use certain protected names and monsters (Like Beholders or Mordenkainen), you can't use any art (or even the visual designs of certain monsters, like the Dragons [which is why all of Pathfinder's colored dragons are visually distinct from their D&D counterparts], and so on. All of that is protected by Trademark, rather than Copyright.

Ultimately, you could publish a D&D Let's Play, but you'd have to scrub it of anything that might make someone think it might be officially endorsed by WotC, including any mention of D&D. You could, however, just call it "5e", which is what a lot of 3rd Party companies do when making compatible material because WotC can't claim a number and a letter as part of their brand identity (That's actually why the next D&D edition will definitely not be called "D&D 6e").

>>92512341
Which module is this? I've been running a campaign in 2.5 and I've hit a bit of writer's block. The demon rift replication of the night the ancient civilization fell actually helps me with something.

>>92531792
You can choose your initial background if the GM allows it (which i recommended atleast) as that way you will have already an idea of the type of character you want to make (Tho you can totally leave it up to luck). Also there is a Point-Buy system which again, if the GM allows it, can be helpful if you don't want to roll for your secondary stat column (the "correction" column).

>>92532031
Yeah everyone starts with 3000 exp and then from that they take away the exp for the first level of the background class. That's why you get 2500 or 2000 free exp depending on background.

>>92532325
Some races have base stats that go better with specific type of classes at the start (which is why Lykant is used a lot as the grappler example or why tabbits are mostly wizards), but in the really, really long run it may not matter much as you can get buffs from equipment, spells and the natural character growths. All character grow 1 stat at the end of each session (you roll 2d6, and you choose one of the results to grow 1 point). For example if you get a 3 or a 5, you can either increase Strenght or the Intelligence Growth by one.

Also there is also the rare races which may have different base stat modifiers. For example Tabbits have 2 rare races, the Pico tabbits (Dex and Agi +3; Str and Vit -3) and the Lupus Tabbit (Agi and Str +3; Int and Spi -3) which also have different Racial Abilities (Pico tabbit can communicate over long distance on their own language and Lupus can see in the dark)

>>92532677
>Demons and time travel shenanigans
Sounds like Daemon's line (Couldn't be wrong tho)

>>92532709
Does sixth sense sort of make up for all the 1d rolls? It seems like a pretty decent racial ability, but it's just surprising how many 1d rolls they have for all their initial stats compared to the other classes even if it might not matter much in the long run.

>>92532918
>compared to the other classes
Races I mean.

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>>92532918
I don't think they can compensate those values with the racial ability, as that one mostly works so they can avoid being ambushed (and to avoid traps on higher levels). Basically to avoid combat or damage if possible

But as Tabbits have mostly Magic/Ranged support backgrounds, stats like strenght vitality or agility doesn't need to be that high for them, tho that doesn't mean you cant use a warrior Tabbit, just that you may have a harder time with combat at first.

>>92533177
Yeah, I guess if just seems like the base Tabbit is VERY specific when compared to how versatile the other races can be. For instance, it seems like a Lykant could be just as successful filling any roll a tabbit could without the physical drawbacks, but again, considering you said it doesn't matter all that much it isn't the biggest deal in the world, just that the base tabbits seem a bit lacking compared to the other races and their rare counterparts.

>>92533177
Forgot to add as an example of what i said. Grassrunners is a race that has no Mana on their own (MP 0) Yet they don't have actual class restrictions, so they can technically be wizards if they want but that would require them to use quite a lot of Mako Stones (MP replacement) for it to work.

Something similar applies to tabbits when they want to use warrior type classes. They could use them, but they would have a harder time because of their race base conditions, so it's better for them to be on the back as magic DPS or Support

>>92533317
Man, I'm loving how well thought out and tight this all is. I've only been a player in DnD 5e with friends and never read the core rule book (I figured with two of my friends already knowing it, it would be better to learn a completely different system). Seems like for every question I've had either here or reading through it there has been a very specific mechanical answer to explain or resolve the issue. It's getting me really excited.

>>92533416
I guess to expound on that a bit, it seems like this game is a lot more mechanically thought out than DnD 5e, but I really couldn't say.

>>92503748
With the auto fill version of the character sheet (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZUZl3OPG0qIUpdLJsRIu-zrZMAWgUJhw/view) am I just being a boomer or is there something I have to do to actually enter in the data? I try opening it in Google docs but it just ends up loading forever.

>>92498342
If the game is rigid but solid? That's fine.
If you want a system to plug and play stuff, use a generic system.

>>92533434
>it seems like this game is a lot more mechanically thought out than DnD 5e
Not to burst your bubble, anon, but almost every system out there is more mechanically thought out than 5e.
Good thing you're having fun, though. SW really does seem a pretty nifty system even among the more common fare D&D-likes. I'm still trying to convince my players to try it (or anything other than PF2e, really, which I have also found to not be quite all there mechanically), hopefully soon.

>>92533883
I believe Gdocs doesn't work with autofill PDFs.
There are a few Gsheet ones that auto-calculate stats as well.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lqj-uOO4_mNOftldxuFfS5FyzoaX8RlBbNd7dL_z-hA/edit?usp=sharing

>>92532677
There's actually three dead civilisation.
The ancient magic civilization.
The magic civilization. [Got its own source book in 2.0]
And the magitech civilization. [Most recent]

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>>92533416
I think one of the best parts of the system is how they mix the lore with the gameplay mechanics. Like how death and revival is used on this setting is interesting, as basically with each revive your soul gets more corrupted (You get a soulscar), with barbarous enemies having more than 2 soulscar by default. You revive by paying 10000G either on church or at the guild.

When a humanoid PC gets a soulscar their physical appearence changes randomly (pale skin, horns, black eyes, etc) and most humanoid communities doesn't want people like that as they think they will become barbarous after a while. Which is actually true as if your character ends up with 5 soulscars, they become a Revenant, a mindless undead monster. At that point your character is permadeath and you have to make a new one.

Also each humanoid city has a security system (Sword of Protection) that detects soulscars and will cause pain to both NPCs and PC with specific number of soulscar or higher, which helps towns and villages to avoid raids from the enemy (and barbarous have a similar sword of protection with the inverted qualities, so only barbarous can get close to them).

>>92536948
It's also the justification for why most normal people refuse to get resurrected since being soul-scarred is an affront to the gods.

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>>92535893
My friend group took a long break after our DM had kiddos, so they are very open to 1-3 shots playing a different game, plus I figured it would be nice to get some experience actually DMing. I'd always heard that to be the case with DnD5e and PF2e so I grabbed a couple recommended games here but SW2.5 is the first one that legitimately gets me excited as I'm reading the lore and rules (I'll still eventually give Ryuutama and Mouseguard a go eventually though).
>>92536159
Perfect, thank you!
>>92536948
See, it's stuff like this that is just so darn cool. All these systems are so thought out yet somehow still so simple. I mean, when you look at the actual amount of rules you have to learn, there aren't a lot but there's quite a bit of depth in the simplicity. It's a really neat mix of old JRPG mechanics and ttrpgs but everything is just so smooth.

>>92536948
Technically Runefolk are immune to getting Soulscared... ...they just loose a bunch of memories when ressed.

>>92539315
Which is also part of the fun, as it mixes both lore and gameplay, as runefolk are machine generated Humanoids, so they can't get corrupted but still suffer consequences of death by losing 1 year of memory.

Another example of lore based rules is how Runefolk and Tabbits can't be Priests. Runefolk because they can't see spirits nor hear the voice of god (They can't be Fairy tamers or Druids either because of that) and Tabbits because on their legends, their ancestor were cursed by the gods so they can't hear their voice either. So you are locked out of those classes while using those races (Tho that doesn't mean you can't bluff as a Priest Runefolk spreading the word of the machine gods).

>>92539315
>>92539495
That's so neat. I was just wondering how other races dealt with the soulscar mechanic. Do tabbits get soulscars on a res? Imagining little evil horned rabbits running around is a fun thought.

>>92540125
Yeah they do get soulscars, pretty much all races do except Runefolk, which make death so important for humanoids. And there are even some "Barbarous" Divine Spells that can give temporary soulscars to the targets. So yeah you can totally play as a Jackalope Tabbit.

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Japanese CoC is wild. They generally separate scenarios to either "Closed" (on rails) or "City" (explore big areas freely and gather clues, usually with time limit).

The scenarios are usually open about how lethal it is (ロスト率) and whether its events can inflict permanent aftereffects on investigators (後遺症).

While most are oneshots, people carry over their investigators to subsequent scenarios pretty often, there are modules that are explicitly marketed to recover sanity for low-san investigators.

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>>92540374
>that art for a lovecraftian horror ttrpg
Gotta love it. It's wild how that sounds very much like how people handle DnD over here (in terms of the leagues and such).

I wonder if there are any fun recorded sessions of the nips playing a session.

>>92540125
>>92540371
Also another interesting point i just found out is that Nightmares are basically soulscared humans in appearance regardless of the parents race. So even the Lildraken (the dragonlike folk) can have Human like children if they are Nightmares...and Dwarfs can have really tall children

>>92540427
There’s an entire niche of streamers who mainly do TRPG sessions live with archived replays, here's some:
https://www.youtube.com/@MeiTanteiJack
https://www.youtube.com/@mutuu_gaming
https://www.youtube.com/@madaraUsi
https://www.youtube.com/@Misorafujino
https://www.youtube.com/@neonpi_chan
https://www.youtube.com/@hiyorin_ch
https://www.youtube.com/@monyumotty/

>>92540427
Not sure if they have recorded sessions (tho i bet they do) but the japanese really like the Replay book format (novelized versions of game session scripts) so much that they have magazines about replays and TTRPGs, so i bet they have that atleast. Which is also how Record of Lodoss war (and subsequently Sword World) started as.

>>92540482
This is so neat and weird. Just skipping around the videos a bit, it's absolutely wild how much work they put into this.
>entire in depth design sheets for characters
>unique art assets to create something in-between a visual novel and ttrpg
>some really solid acting during the rp

It's just nuts. Their ttrpg scene really did go in a wildly different direction than ours from an entertainment standpoint. It's gonna be fun to watch some of these with my barebones duolingo moonrunes knowledge.
>>92540492
I had no idea. It's wild, I started the thread just curious about the quality of Sword World, but learning about Japan's ttrpg scene has been really cool. After watching some "demos" of some of their newer ttrpgs, I just assumed most of their games were bad and was worried a lot of the praise Japanese games got was from weebs.

>>92540429
Some races are gonna have one heck of a time pushing out those babies.

>>92540648
Sometimes the weebs are right

>>92540648
>I just assumed most of their games were bad and was worried a lot of the praise Japanese games got was from weebs.
This is also true. Most attempts at TTRPGs suck no matter which country you're in.

>>92540648
Nice to know that you end up interested in the game, hopefully you can have fun with it and maybe get more people interested too.

If you end up having more questions i suggest you join the discord community (its linked on the reddit and the youtube channel) before the thread dies (dunno how fast threads die on /tg/, tho im impressed that this one is still alive). They have a channel made for GMs and also rooms for voiced and PbP games

>>92540786
>>92540884
Yeah, and to be fair, most ttrpg's that are based on an IP tend to be relatively phoned in from what I've seen.
>>92540934
Definitely will do, so far if you read carefully the examples will clear a lot of the confusion up, but if it wasn't for: >>92521804 I'd definitely have gotten confused on the skill packages early on as they introduce the concept in the character building and how to figure it out, but you're still not quite sure what it does till later on in the book.

I'm hopeful it'll catch on among my friend group. My old DM is down to try anything, one of my friends is pretty diehard into 5e, but still willing to try and likes the art. I know my cousin will like it if he can get past the initial math needed in the character creation (which sounds and can look more off-putting than it is), all their wives could go either way with it, so fingers crossed all around.

Would there be any issues writing up 2.5 characters to use in a 2.0 module? I was thinking of running Mist Castle, but I wanted to give 2.5 a try.

>>92541272
Apparently not (the translator says atleast), just use the monster data from 2.0 during combat (the ones on the Barbarous Tales and Alchemist Works Supplements). Doing the same with World Odyssey and haven't had issues at all

>>92541372
Thanks!

>>92541372
>>92541272
they also sent this list with reviews for 2.0 and 2.5 campaigns, if you want to try the others: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-qt5psgdtWVq_ZJPgEpBbJWZcUELchwh

>>92540374
Is there any PDFs to those modules? Want to see the art.

>>92540482
It's really easy to find Japanese CoC channels, you just need to search クトゥルフ神話 or クトゥルフ神話TRPG and you're good to go.

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I'm a tad confused on what the "4 higher" means. Is that 4 higher than the set check?

>>92542532
I think it means you get a 4 bonus while searching. That's because its generally harder to hide than to search (the other way for concealing, setting traps or using a disguise).

On one of the books (can't remember which) there was a table for the penalties of hiding depending on distance, and the highest bonus was 4 (basically trying to hide in plain sight was the worst option), so my guess is that you get the 4 bonus on searching by default because of that.

>>92542908
Gotcha, that makes sense. I was reading some of the other skillchecks and they are pretty clear on when something gets a -2 or +4, so that little text was pretty ambiguous.

Appreciate the help.

>>92543006
Asked on the server just to be sure, but still not 100% sure if its like that. Like, if it was 4 points harder then it should say Target number 4 higher, not success value. So take what i say as a grain of salt and avoid hiding for a bit until i confirm it.

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>>92507208
>>92507635
>>92507776
>>92508452
>>92508848
Hahahahaaaa!, WotC shilltrolls beaten with facts!
Now,
....I do know for a fact that Gaijin living in japan do play 5E quite regularly, and most of their adventure leagues are half Filthy Gaijin and half Japanese westaboo who made friends with a californian.
White peeps in japan buy 5E.
The Japanese themselves tend to be a really big fan of " flit though all the game systems we can with a one shot or three" and they typically come back to CoC when they invite a new person into their group.
ALSO: USA/UK expats never re-run their scenarios/modules. The Japanese do it all the time. To the Japanese, a scenario is just like a gameboard.

>>92514974
It wasn't an accident, and "hentai artists" legit has more dignity to it than "porn artist".
For one, when you think of "porn art", it's some monkey faced dude down an alley getting his dick blown by some dirty crack whore. On the off chance that it's "mature", it's some dirty heroine addict guy getting choked by a tattoed prostitute mother of 3. Shit is -always- ugly, and inorically -always- too shy to stick around for more than a page.
Hentai is 99 times out of 100 about some smoking hot anime babe being molested pages on end. A lot of effort goes into making it look hot, even when it's tentacles or some shit, and it makes sure to show you every angle. It also doesn't help that anime is expected to look beautiful, while western art can be whatever it wants to be.
It also really doesn't help that if you're western and you draw porn, you're a freak, while if you're a jaypee and draw porn, it's not porn, it's hentai, and it's art.

What edition of CoC do the Japanese play anyways?

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>>92543186
Just read this and I think it expounds on it a bit but I'm still not quite sure how it's done.

>>92543875
Ah i think i got it. So basically what it says is that the Target Number (the number you have to surpass on this case) for the Notice and Spot Traps checks will have 4 added to it, meanwhile if you use Search check to look for traps or concealed objects, the passive side wouldn't get a bonus (but you would use 10 minutes on the search).

Also the Target Number for the Danger sense check doesnt get a bonus, so you just need to surpass the result of the Hide check. But if you proactively use the Search check (using 10 minutes) then you will have a 4 bonus on finding hiding enemies.

So in summary: Search is used by the players on their own choice and time, so they get to look for and notice stuff without penalties and sometimes a bonus(against hide check). The others instead are Checks the GM commands you to roll for because you are either about to be ambushed, activated a trap or missed something important, so you will get a penalty (the other side got the bonus).

For example: If the enemy set a trap with 7 Success value, then the TN for your Spot trap check would be 11, and as its a contested check and you are active side, it means you need to roll 12 atleast to win the check (Passive side wins ties). Meanwhile if you used search, then you would find the trap with a TN 7, so rolling 8 would be enough.

At the end its not that complex, it just means that a player looking on their own have better chances to find traps than the player that's about to step into one.

>>92532734
I'll check it out, thanks
>>92536176
In my case it would be the magitech civilization

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>>92541401
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk0K9XNL-Y0

I like to watch a video or two after reading dozens of pages of the manuals, puts me on the mood to read again, sometimes I just need that audio/visual stimulus.
Also, has anyone read the Replays?

>>92545401
>Also, has anyone read the Replays?
I haven't. are any particularly good?

>>92544620
That does make sense. So the penalty is more or less a fair way of dealing with things the players either rushed into or missed when they could have taken the time to deal with them with the proper skill checks. That final analogy of yours really puts in into perspective.

>>92545401
Is that a real replay?

>>92543470
It's almost always 6th edition, unless there's a 新 in the title which means it's 7th edition.

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>>92545718
Yeah see the google drive link here >>92503748
There's different content in the 2.5 and 2.0 folders, there's a couple of 1.0 books.

>>92545757
>that art
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>>92543470
this >>92545721 , but I also saw lots of 5E japanese modules.

>>92541445
a lot of the popular scenarios are free, you can download the pdfs from here:
https://booth.pm/en/search/coc%E3%82%B7%E3%83%8A%E3%83%AA%E3%82%AA?max_price=0&sort=wish_lists

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I swear, Japanes idea of "used" is "basically brand new". They even have their little advertisment strips.

>>92550971
I like the aesthetic of a TRPG manual looking like a 3 big manga volumes.

btw I've opened supplement pdfs at random and some of them mention that you need "at least Core Book 1" to play, so it's true the other two are optional? What rules are on them in the first place?

>>92551298
When you read corebook 1 you'll see that all 3 corebooks were written together and cut up. I believe corebook 1 is meant for level 1-5 if I'm not mistaken, but if you read all 3 at once you'll be able to take advantage of all the mechanics right off the bat. Rulebook 1 just introduces you to all the basics needed to play the base game.

>>92545401
wow the last one really sounds like my jam, really looking forward to reading it translated

>>92551298
CR I gives you all the basic rules + low level (lvl 1 to 5) content to play with. The others add more rules, classes and races on top of it (with CR II for lvl 6 to 10 content and CR III level 11 to 15 content), same applies to the supplements.

Basically all books will require you to read atleast CR I to understand the game, and they will either add new rules or expand on the ones already on CR I, but never replace them.

There is also the wiki if you need to do a quick search for spells, items, races and classes, tho its still recommended to read the books because the wiki won't give the whole explanation of how they work (and sometimes the wiki and the books have different info): http://sw25.wikidot.com

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>>92545401
I've read most of the translated replays and Rock n role is my favorite. Mixed humanoid/barbarous parties are a lot of fun.

>>92521804
>>92519617
>>92519518
Do Flourites have stats in any of the 2.5 books?

>>92555661
nevermind, I found it in Arcane Relic

>>92555689
The wiki also has all the races and stats

>>92553382
>Mixed humanoid/barbarous parties are a lot of fun.
I miss when you could have Good and Evil members in the same party

>>92557239
Still can, at least.