Me and the boys Edition>Previous thread:>>92437813>What is /awg/?A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to more specific games.This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre, let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.>Examples of games that qualify.A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Batman Miniature Game, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings, Deadzone, Dropfleet and Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate,Frostgrave, Gaslands, Hordes of the Things, Kings of War, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Moonstone, Oathmark, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam,Stargrave, Sludge, Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenotactics and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.>Examples of companies providing rules for alternative wargames.Atomic Mass Games, Black Site Studios, CMON, Mantic, OnePageRules, Osprey, Para Bellum, TTCombat, Warlord Games and, many other publishers.>Places to get minis; Updates to the minis list are welcome.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2DbNJ2mYAUxh5P9Pq9NZqS5tXHGn0i2JhZchEwbA2I/edithttps://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/373197.page>The Novice Troves; These troves are meant to serve as a sampler of available systems. Check out the Share Thread for more up-to-date troves.https://pastebin.com/MjtsC8AXhttps://mega.nz/#F!zSYW0I4a!vXh8-UPi_tWXpJES_-p4zg>TQHow do you store your minis? Do you have any nice display cabinet or cases?
>>92522438>TQThey are currently packed in plastic shoeboxes, but I'll buy a modular ikea bestå vitrine set with glass doors and pit the nicest models I have on display.
>>92522438>How do you store your minis? Do you have any nice display cabinet or cases?I bought a glass display cabinet four years ago, and made the rule that anything I put in it has to be fully painted and based, it has helped a lot in clearing up clutter and giving me the motivation to finish a lot of my projects. Since then i've had to get a second one.
>>92522438>How do you store your minis? Do you have any nice display cabinet or cases?Display cabinet, drawer, cabinet, under the bed, old romanian chest, plastic containers, transporter bag and its foams
>>92522438>How do you store your minis? Do you have any nice display cabinet or cases?Old shoeboxes, postage boxes, old GW figure cases from back in the day. Foam trays and bubble wrap line my containers. Would I like nice hard cases and a display cabinet? Yeah, would I spend the money for that when I have a perfectly serviceable system as is? Nah.
>>92522438This for the painted ones. Way too much storage space in the closet for all the rest.
>TQI've been doing the magnetized plastic bin thing recently and it's been great, though I'm not using sticky magnet sheets because in my experience they've been universally awful. Right now I just trim some sheet metal with some snips and use liquid nails to affix those bad boys to the bottom.
opinions on fww?
Hello anons, looking for 28mm miniatures that have a fallout new vegas soldier feel,something i could use for a game set in a US state in fallout
>>92523177Xenos Rampant has rules for "near future post-apocalyptic"
I have spent the last several weeks constantly seething at petty discord tyrants ever since making an account JUST for obscure tabletop games. Fucking thank God 4chan exists. I'm not even the one getting banned, but when I see jannies constantly stepping on actual discussion because "I don't like the tone. Gonna mute the channel for 24 hours." I fly into a fucking rage. It goes to show how deleterious a single centralized community hub is for small games. You NEED an independently hosted (or a couple independently hosted) alternatives.>>92522438Storage is all in boxes right now. Ive been planning a solution - saw some guy do his (Warhammer?) army directly on the wall. Like he made a cityscape, multilayered ant farm thing and glued it straight onto his wall as a vertical display board hanging there. It looked so fucking sweet but I didn't save the pics.>>92523177How about the official ones? Granted, the Wasteland Warfare miniatures game is 32mm. Which is 'heroic' modern 28mm with a honest label. If you want trve 28mm with realistic proportions, that's a bit harder. If you've got a printer there's a lot of Western style ranges that could source duster jackets for ncr troops, but the lions share of postapoc shit is MadMaxian.
>>92522653Got a link to that thing?Ive got 2 Ikea glass cabinets, but need some more space.
>>92523177Stargrave Scavengers?Brother Vinnie does "not-Fallout" minis with powerarmor and withoutThere is Anvil Industries who do 40k proxies, some of them are Romans with guns
>>92523310NTA but I'm pretty sure it's Ikea's BILLY / OXBERG combo - I have two of them.
>>92522438>How do you store your minis?A motley and shameful mess of cardboard boxes, plastic tubs, and proper foam case stuff.I'm slowly working on downsizing and organising things properly, I promise.
>>92523177Vermillion Miniaturs has a set. The models have weapon options too.
>>92523177I saw a bunch of fallout minis on Etsy recently. Check them out and see what you think.
>>92523380I see. I'll check IKEA catalogue then. I've got the Detolf twice but i never really liked it being glass to all sides.
>>92523535>Vermillion MiniatursGood tip. THey also have super mutants, ghouls and other miniatures for fallout.
>>92523535>Bear Force Roll Out
>>92523177This Is Not A Test's own minis are pretty Fallout (by design).
>>92523177it looks like you got some good answers for your specific need but brother vinni's has some powerarmor thats taken whole cloth from fallout. helmets too!
>>92524315
>>92523535lmao. I like that this guy has models based on Fallout 2 and even Tactics
Anyone got a copy of When Nightmares Come ?
>>92523310It's >>92523380 , keep in mind that there's several variations in the line but those keywords will get you there.
TTcombat making fancy buttplugs
>>92524466Yes.
>>92520519Nothing that's officially confirmed, but they have been talking about ways to make them mainstay
>>92522438>>TQ>How do you store your minis? Do you have any nice display cabinet or cases?Most of it is in cases. Got a half conquest army that currently fits in my bookshelf. But idk if i'd like to display minis in my home as if they were a big part of my life, contrary to how much time i actually spend on the hobby tho...But i'd nether try as hard as when my friend took home girls and threw a blanket over his "bookshelf of shame".
A monopose plastic... Lizardman? I've never seen before.From a game called Carnage released around a similar time to Fantasy Warlord, Fantasy Warriors, and other WHFB competitors.
>>92525948cute
>>92524825Oh damnit, now I need to place another order for that new Hydra box. Although that Sirena is pretty ugly compared to the others.
>>92523245im not sure i can find enough models for two sides of detachments for xenos rampant>>92523307which western minis do you mean? also how is the resin on the official minis?>>92523326thanks, looked up brother vinnie and that might work>>92523535considering using vermillion but im not completely sold on how they look >>92523577thanks will check on there>>92524188yeah could work>>92524315wow these look crisp irl
>>92525657That is one sick paint job anon. Good job.
>>92525948>Umm, akshyally crocodiloporpha isn't part of the order squamata or "lizards", they're part of archosauria, same as birds. *chuckles and fixes classes*
>>92526704>im not sure i can find enough models for two sides of detachments for xenos rampantIt scales in size, the recommended 24 points can be scaled down to 12 (or even lower) as needed
What's the lowest cost to get started with a small game?I've looked at Turnip28 and Burrows & Badgers as options.I live in the middle of nowhere Scandinavia.Trying to start a gaming club here, the natives don't leave their house.
>>92528619Do you have any minis already? Depending on what you have available maybe something like Frostgrave could work since you'd just be reusing D&D minis.
>>92528619Gaslands, you literally just need a handful of toy cars
>>92528760Frostgrave noted,no minies I'm afraid.>>92528894Unexpected answer.
Anons I'm tired. 40k is a slog these days and 4th edition AOS is going to murder the game and I have so much staked in these damn games my only saving grace is that I can make a profit off of my armies even selling them decently below retail value.I want an actual game besides my historicals thats not a dumpster fire to play and could foster a community but more importantly is actually supported. Infinity has a community near me that I'll check out but that's it and the only company size or larger game around me is 40k/AOS.
>>92529066Sucks to be you.
>>92529066Each white hair is a step closer towards a chad Napoleonic collection.
>>92529072Nah I'll get over it if I can dump these minis. I play some historical rulesets that I'll just stick to. I just wanted to see if there was like an actual non skirmish sci-fi game that gets company support. After a quick couple of googles mantic seems to fit the bill for bootleg 40k so I guess me and my friends will run a trial game of that.
>>92529087I got napoleonic russians already.
>>92529105Just like Arneson, good man.
>>92527064I will find your house and shit in your chimney
>>92529186Ack ack ack ack? ack ack ack?
>>92529186>>92529309ACK ACK ACK ACK ACK ACK ACK ACK
>>92529309ACK ack ACK Fucking Mantic man
>>92529337I absolutely fukken adore the black and yellow thing.
>>92529353Think there's Chinese recasts openly available on eBay. There is of quite a bit of the range bizarrely. Can't vouch for quality https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325100147160
>>92528619In my opinion the biggest obstacle to getting a club or group going isn't necessarily the minis, it is the terrain. Of course there's a lot you can do yourself, but if you're not up for that or don't want to take on a larger project to start with, there are options.The cheapest is of course paper craft, which can look good, but might also feel cheap. The next step up is pre-painted cardboard which has started becoming more popular. Prices and quality vary, but if you're planning on playing something sci-fi there's Infinity packs that are pretty affordable and gives a decent amount of terrain for skirmish games.MDF terrain is also an option and can usually be bought in relatively cheap bundles to make a table, especially from TTCombat, but they require some work to make look really good, although often just getting it basecoated and drybrushed is good enough to start.As for games, I find Frost/Stargrave to be quite terrain intensive, as they require a fair bit of it to play "properly". Turnip28 has an advantage in that it only requires a handful of pieces, all of which are pretty easy to make at home. Just smudge some wall filler and something water effecty on a hard surface and paint in swampy colours. If it looks like shit that can be considered intended.If you're up for a small terrain project, Necropolis might be worth checking out. It's about small bands of 3-10 undead battling it out in a ruined city. Apart from only needing a handful of models on each side (seldom more than 6 or 7), and cheap GW or Mantic undead can often be found second hand, it is played on a 16"x16" board, meaning you need less terrain to start with.
>>92529392I wouldn't be surprised if these bootlegs were made with the actual molds. I've gotten other exact replicas of board game models from Aliexpress.
>>92529407Oh yeah, seems that way with a lot of these PVC Chinese bits.Never really bit the bullet myself, other than getting a load of 32mm round bases.
>>92529405>it is the terrain> if you're not up for that or don't want to take on a larger project to start with, there are options.That's excellent news!!I have a professional background and education that translates to terrain creation and design,won't be a problem at all!
>>92529446Oh Mel, he was like the YouTube guy in a different age, before the sloppa. Hope he's doing relatively okay.
>>92529066Battletech has been on an upswing lately with more support than it's really ever gotten before. It's also pretty much immune to whatever fuckery the companies that own it might get up to. They tried to kill it a few times and it did fuckall to the existing community.
>>92529503Ntayrt but I don't like the new Mech designs too much, like they're smart but they all look the bloody same nowI get they wanted to finally move away from the 80s jank but still
>>92529476Can't flock your way to better clickbait thumbnails sadly...Is he a solid starter for budget terrain?
>>92529186>>92529337I'm glad I bought into the kickstarter and have these buried somewhere. Someday I will make a crew out of them. >>92529392Nice. As much as I like Mantic, it's cool that there's someone somebody out there still producing their abandoned stuff. Maybe I will grab the big stompy robot one day.
>>92529603I'm new to making terrain and wargames in general. His videos are pretty good. I learned more from his stuff than anything else.
>>92529446>>92529603>>92529759His videos are quite good, I think they're worth watching.But what the fuck is wrong with him? He seems like he wasted away in just a few years, does he have cancer or something like that? Hope he's doing OK, like I said, his terrain skills are great and his videos are good and very informative.
Any tips for a first time conquest player? Just finished gluing together my "supercharged" starter set for sorc kings.
>>92527245>>92527245Heavy Gear: Blitz, Fistful of Lead: Battlesuit Alpha
>>92530221It's called getting old anon.
>>92522438Source on picrel models?
>>92533761Mierce. One of the few companies more expensive than GW.
>>92530221Yeah, actually. He had cancer, then got deathly ill around the start of 2020, then his wife divorced him. He's doing remarkably well, all things considered.
>>92528619You can build up to three OPR Skirmish warbands with a single Oathmark infantry box of your choice.There is always Battletech which is hilariously cheap to play.
>>92523177Mix and match bits from Anvil industry? They have pretty wid selction of modular miniature parts
>>92523177Kitbash something with bits from Mad Robot Miniatures and Anvil Industry maybe? Additionally, the box of Cannon Fodder from Wargames Atlantic makes for a half decent Vault Dweller (pic related). Anvil Industry has some stuff for robots (Automata Squad) and power armour (Exo-Lord) knockoffs, plus they have a nice range of retro sci-fi weapons too.
>>92534320Here's the Automata Squad, good for knockoff Assaultrons
>>92533900He should divorce her back
>>92534340And the Exo-Lords, remove the backpack and find a better helmet and they're okay for Power Armor stand-ins.
>>92534320This is awesome
>>92534352Mad Robot also has a good selection for some generic Fallout Raiders, plus some parts for Roman soldiers if you want Caesars Legion remnants/splinter groups.
>>92534391Roman stuff from them.I guess you could also use North Star's Scavenger kits too to make some, well, scavengers.
>>92525657You can also make up to 4 catabolic nodes with that kit
>>92534407Oh, I completely forgot that Northstar/Stargrave are also doing power armour, and you could probably use a lot of their line as parts for making wastelanders along side the aforementioned Scavengers kit of theirs.
>>92528619>What's the lowest cost to get started with a small game?En Garde is ludicrously cheap, basically a single sprue of models or a single large monster is an entire force. Other duel-scale games are similar. Gaslands is also an excellent cheapy game, not least because of printable HO-scale papercraft terrain.Anon isn't wrong that terrain is the biggest barrier, though. You can make a lot of good stuff for very cheap if you have a few days to spend. A couple sheets of foamcore and a box of paper clips from the dollar store, a box of a couple hundred coffee stirrers from Cash and Carry, a bottle of white glue, a pot of Spackle/filler, and some sand and paint will take you far. So will corrugated cardboard, masking tape, and a complete lack of shame. Pic related. >>92529476You magnificent bastard>>92523177>>92534352>find a better helmetUnironically CP Models miniatures. They've got great helmets. The standard solution for Legion is to snag some Victrix guys and a couple of the Warlord Male Survivors weapons sprues, those things have dozens of guns. The This is not a Test Road Wardens are very, very blatantly NCR, and they even have a couple Rangers in Combat Armor.
>>92534887>CP ModelsThey changed their name to CheckPoint Miniatures, didn't they?
>>92534414Surprising how well this awful AI pixel-vomit captures the slop nature of Conquest TLAoK
Anyone has experience on Elder Scrolls Call to Arms? I love TES lore and i'm looking for a side small scale wargame (I already play WFB and MESBG), would you recommend the system?
>>92535398Yeah, whatever you sad its neat little past-time
>>92535862>Yeah, whatever you sad its neat little past-time
>>92535398>bemoans AI>uses words like slop unironically
>>92536134?? he's right, AI is sloppa
>>92536134What's supposed to be the contradiction here, smartass? Because it seems like you're either trying to imply that the word 'slop' was somehow invented by an AI, or that AI is somehow antithetical to slop.
>>92536149He used the word for non-AI things as well, disqualifying his opinion entirely.
>>92536193It means you brain has been afflicted by zoomerspeak and has been turned into mush. The fact you can even post anymore is kind of a miracle.
>>92536215>Showing righteous contempt towards shitty zoomer technology is zoomerspeak nowYou truly have a fascinating mind.
>>92536306>missing the pointAs expected for shits for brains. The fact you are also luddite is irrelevant.
>>92529066Gaslands. Get some toy cars, d6 dice and movement templates (can be printed out for free on paper) and you’re good to go.After a few test games to try it out you can move onto converting and arming your cars to look like your post apocalyptic dreams
>>92529476>Thumbnail #6WTF?!!
>>92526704anons, after considering my options i think ill get great escape cowboys and get them various fallout esque heads and weapons,any idea where i can get them and how to convert them onto the models?
>>92537237Headswaps are easy, the Great Escape Cowboys come with separate heads, so you just glue the replacement head on instead of the intended ones. Sometimes necks might have to be adjusted, but that usually just means either cutting if off or filling a gap with green stuff.As for vendors of separate heads, there are plenty. The following all have wide ranges which probably has something that might fit. They pretty much all also sell weapons and arms if you want to mix in something more high-tech.Mad Robot Miniatures, Maxmini, Kromlech/Bits of War, Anvil Industry should all have something that fits.
>>92537603do those manufacturers sell stls of those weapons arms and head? id buy the regular resin parts but id rather minimize shipping from multiple companies if i can
>>92538033And where can i source cowboy ghoul heads as well?
Repost from last thread. Anybody know where I could get some gangly robots?Ideally clockwork style like pic related. I want stuff that looks skinny and easy to knock over or break.
>>92538184Konflikt 47: British Automated Infantry
wish me luck bros, im playing Hobgoblin! tomorrow. Built two armies, one is Cities of Smigmar and the other is the contents of my heroquest box.
>>92538352These are great. Thank you.
Found a copy of this in my LGS's used section fully intact for around $80. I know rules are out of date but is everything else worth it for that price?
Will forever look on at conquest thinking it’s cool, but I’ll never spend that much for 500pts when games are 200 and it’s unpopular
>>92538650cheerio, post your project after you finish
>>92538751It might be a while. I'm still in the looking phase.The idea was to have some clockwork automaton soldiers for a DaVinci inspired army.
>>92534271>>92534887Thank you,En garde and Oathmark both look great.I wish I liked cars enough to do Gaslands.
>>92530241Cut some balsa wood sticks in the length of 3, 4, 5, stands wide so you can easily place your models for turning.
>>92538750It's not uncommon to see some in 2nd hand really cheap. Bought the majority of my army that way. But yes, it is not a cheap game
>>92540982In game points per $ is ok, if you pick heavy point per model (OD/Nords/States) army its even better dunno how new guys. Also im almost certain its conquest dialog tree dude so no point in wasteing time
>>92524466hyg https://gofile.io/d/L6ykhn>>92524838weenis
I talked with somebody about using sheet magnets with MDF bases. They just showed up today. At first I thought they might not be strong enough because they are very thin. But after testing, they're strong enough to hold a metal troll up on a 40 mm base. I am planning on storing them upright, so I am not worried about them during casual jostling.
>>92538698Yeah, you're getting two starter boxes at price of less than one. Only downside is outdated unit cards and rulebook, which is whatever. It's a great deal.Personally I use the official app for it these days, so cards are whatever.
>>92534887>En Garde is ludicrously cheap, basically a single sprue of models or a single large monster is an entire force.En Garde has monsters? I thought it was historical?
>>92529759black magic craft does some nice stuff, especially his older videos are worth watching.
>>92545858There's a fantasy supplement for Ronin (see https://www.ospreypublishing.com/us/discover/gaming-resources/osprey-wargames-series/ ) that also has rules for building out monsters for En Garde. The page also has some errata for both games.
>>92541308I don’t know who dialog tree guy is anon I’m just lamenting it’s a cool game I’m priced out of and isn’t popular in the UK. Much with many AWGs it’s hard to sell a game that’s as expensive as GW but less popular
>>92538535Hope you had a good time, how does hobgoblin differ from opr or dragon rampant?
>>92546867Huh, neat. Might need to check it out then.
What skirmish games make a good use of standard playing cards? I want to examine as many systems using a standard 52-cards deck as possible with the main focus on combat mechanics.
>>92547678Only two that come to mind are Malifaux and Fistful of Lead
>>92547678Isn't Kobolds and Cobblestones card-based?
>>92547678Yeah Malifaux comes to mind. Besides being keyword-heavy. It's a rare game where i like the system very much, but have a hard time liking the world and models.
>>92534414Not joking but this looks like ai slop, still look cool.
>>92547678John Lambshead's One Hour Skirmish Wargames uses cards instead of dice, for activations, for combat resolution, for a surprise end to the turn (when the joker turns up).Most Lardies games use cards for activation
>>92547678A Billion Suns uses cards to generate missions I believe.
>>92547678Through the Breach uses cards for everything. Aside from that you'll find a lot of western games tend to use them. Dust Devils, Deadlands, West!, and Aces & Eights to name a few.
>>92547678This is Not a Test uses playing cards for determining rewards and events in the campaign system.
>>92533900Brutal to hear,he sounds so chipper and lovely in the videos.
>>92547678I believe Savage Worlds has a wargame option, and its base system used cards instead of dice. The vast, vast majority of players play it as an RPG though.
>>92547678If you want something more rule lite, Plastic Bastards uses cards as its resolution mechanic.
Redpill me on Conquest. I keep hearing it's quite innovative and different from other R&F games. On the other hand people complain about the weird scale I don't find it an issue and rules being changed and updated frequently due to their primary digital nature.The only other R&F game I ever played was ASOIAF and I enjoyed it quite much as a casual kitchen table game.
whats a good skirmish sci fi game that would allow me to do asymetrical games with stuff like 3 advanced power armored guys on one sides and 10-20 regular dudes armed with not a lot against them? looking to run brotherhood vs ncr/raiders using a ruleset like that
>>92551859Yeah, I can see the rules changing can be annoying. They are very active with developing the rules, so some aspects have seen a lot of changes. Mostly characters and how they work. Also, anything that doesn't have a model released yet is a WIP, for example the Dweghom Stonegorged went from an infantry regiment to a monster when they finished the model for it. I don't see it as a problem, but I can see it annoying people.
>>92551990There's a non-zero chance that some people here are holding onto fears from Warmahordes 3.0 and how they handled digital model balancing, aka poorly.
>>92552006Well, there's also the changing and removal of stuff that people invested in proxying.Funnily, PP is still doing that with Mk4, but doing a much better and consistent job of it. Turns out the CID program was a mistake, not the idea of live updates.
>>92551859I like the game quite a bit. I used to play Kings of War, but that game was very low effort with the lore and flavor and hung on to some weird sacred cows. Conquest has really nice (free) lore that the creator autistically oversees, and the rules are simple while still giving each army very unique mechanics. It helps that the range is almost all hard plastic too and the figures look better than Kings of War or ASOIAF for sure. I don't think that the changes get that dramatic. The rules for things they haven't released the kits for are previews more than anything.
>>92552046I'm glad they've acknowledged that with Sorc Kings, so they only have full rules for releasing kits.
>>92551859I think both ASOIAF and conquest rely more on having an identity in their rules being fun, more then say old world or 40k, not that it's the best comparison. I don't think i actually liked playing wargames untill i saw conquest, the fun was more visible there, rather then reaching for an excuse to have my models on the table. I actually like watching batreps of conquest for example.Maybe i've yet to experience the bad side of everything being free and online, so i can only see the positive of it. Browsing the online listbuilder is a big reason i got in to the game.
this looks fun. anyone played this?
>>92552006it's not any one thing like that. it's the knowledge that once a company has made the conscious decision "fuck the players, we're just in it for the money", they will fuck the players again and again. it's just a matter of time. it might look like things are ok if you ignore their history and just focus on this one present moment, but it won't last.
>>92552768>$65 for 10 monopose reshit dudes>$300 for a starter boxWhat's the deal with momma's basement companies acting like they are GW?
>>92553002That applies to every company, not just in this case.
>>92552768>Black powder>Using modern firearms My autism would not allow me to play.
>>92538184make some out of beads, wire and pen parts anon.
>>92553046Ask Privateer Press, they seem to set an example in this regard.
>>92553046Turns out shit is expensive, even more so without GW's economies of scale and captive market.
>>92553319on a long enough timescale perhaps, but PP avoided doing it at all for 10 years. once they started the ball rolling though, it has been non-stop. at this point there's nothing worth salvaging there. only a complete asshole would point someone in the direction of WMH now, knowing that a new player probably won't even have a chance to paint up his battlebox before they pull the rug out from under him.the only future that game has is a community reboot after privateer is dead.
>>92559057>Turns out shit is expensive, even more so without GW's economies of scale and captive market.Other companies manage to make plastic monopose minis for $7 or metal ones for five.
>>92551958still looking for a ruleset i can use for this, anybody know such a system?
>>92556332This is also an option. I think I want to buy a few and try press molding parts.
>>9255959510 figures for $65 works out to be $6.50 a model, the same price that you are quoting.
>>92560988Touche
>>92560988>>92559057WGA is manufacturing hard plastic multipart minis for $1-1.5 per mini. Northstar is even cheaper with £0.85 per mini - multipart hard plastic kits as well. There is no excuse for shit like this >>92553046.
>>92561051You pay a premium for mono-pose I guess. >>92560988There's a difference between a one off character blister and a unit is 10 dudes.
>>92561156>You pay a premium for mono-pose I guess.
>>92547678Look into yafsiga. It uses playing cards 4 to 10 guys. Build your own models. Mini agnostic and has alternating activations.
>>92561296Do we have a PDF somewhere?
>>92561156Depends on how many you need. It looks like one of those games thar sells itself on only one box to play, so need to cover the lack of bulk sales.
>>92561184Posability is always a compromise.
>>92534887>Warlord Male SurvivorsThose were some great models. Such a fucking shame they discontinued that line
Has anyone ever made a wargame that used someone else's miniature line as the units in their game? Or perhaps that encouraged proxying minis heavily from other mini lines?I know the minis are where the profitability is, but that's not the point.
>>92563735OPR
>>92563735Plenty of "miniature agnostic" rulesets out there, and some are made to obviously be used with GW models in particular. One Page Rules is the epitome of that. And minis may be where you can make profit, but it is also expensive to design and set up, although 3D printing is making it easier these days, even if you only release minis as 3D files.
>>92563735>I know the minis are where the profitability is, but that's not the point.Eh you'd be surprised. Osprey as a publishing company makes a good chunk of its business model out of selling rules sets without dedicated minis behind them.
>>92563735so mini agnostic rules? Despite what globohomo corp wants you to think anon you can use any minis with any game, only fags insist that models have to come from a specific manufacturer
>>92552768Did you not see the quality seal of approval? America makes the best productsI think I'll pick this starter box up when I'm due to order more black rifle company coffee
300 dollar starter set terrain.Pre painted, ofc. Hence the slightly above average price tag for a typical tabletop starter set
A coaster to put your mug of black rifle company coffee on
>>92529309>>92529333>>92529337https://youtu.be/RFr2tFLZom4?si=gIRYTmE3CJksBkZh
>>92564795>black rifle companyAre those the ones that turned out to be Jews? Lol
>>92565969It's just good business
>>92564795>hips orientationwtf is this game? Btw modern operator minis are dime a dozen as STLs which would be the economical way to play this (just have to find a pdf of the rules). They're also generic for the setting so you can pick up another oper8tor game if this sucks
Went to market and bought some tat for about £6.30 totalThe Disney elemental thing is genuinely cool and a good sculpt, got the Paw Patrol vehicle as I've seen people turning them into like riot vehicles with a few extra bits. The tracked thing was just a cheap bit and I like the tracks, useful for Tonks or sci-fi terrain.And the Toy Story pig spaceship speaks for itself I think
>>92568399What even is that pig-abomination lmao
>>92568597Toy Story 3 imagination Evil Mr Porkchop's Spaceship or something
>>92568702Pigs in Spaaaaace
>>92568399>>92568702That thing is so retarded, i want one.
>>92559057I know what you mean. I'm glad that I got into 3D printing as it's the only way to keep mini prices reasonable these days. If only miniatures were as well engineered and affordable as Gundams and other Japanese plastic kits.
>>92568702ngl that's a good model and a good conversion. I hope that you hit it with some paint or at least draw in the lines.
>>92570270Given how the pigs look, yeah I think it needs some washes and rust effects.
>>92561184>>92561923True, but it always depends on the miniature. There are really good looking monopose characters, and there are (charming tho) monopose spearmen, archers and such.
>>92522438There's no homebrew or game design thread so I'll drop this here. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SD1G9euoHY8TaegjdK67YB5WttoRcGEoUGf4bykstes/edit?usp=sharingI'm still picking away at Skies Of Love! My space opera wargame. Please give it a read and leave a comment. Tell me it's shit or whatever, any attention is better than no attention. (My therapist doesn't agree with that last part)I wish I had gotten a better pic of the last test game. Our scouting phase shook out looking like this. A planet wound up right next to a black hole and it became the focal point for the fighting.
>>92571125Don't click google links without being on incognito mode people.
>>92571869What for? That only prevents your browser remembering you've been there. It does nothing to prevent Google or anyone else tracking you.
>>92568399Honestly taking the arms off of that little tracked thing and popping on some kind of missile rack could look really good.>>92568702The Porcs are coming! >>92571125I'll take a look at it later. I'll try a solo round if I can snatch a couple hours tonight while the baby is asleep.
>Our fantasy wrestling game needs an overweight fairy melting in marshmellow
>>92573578>BRAAAAAAP
>>92568399Piiiiiiigggss iiinnn spaaaaaaaaaaaace
>>92538184Ask on wipSome guy made some pretty good ones
>>92568399>neck hingeWhat's the interior like?
>>92573578I had never heard of this, but looking at it almost every model seems just as bad as that one
Can anybody describe their experiences with FFoL? I have the books and have been reading them, and it's kinda refreshing. It's both light on hypercompetitive balance crap like point values and strict unit structures, while also having a nice soft suppression system in the form of shock. Looking forward to playing with 40k and Battletech models, though the fantasy books also look fun. Kinda wish I had some historical or modern models to use with it.
>>92574830IDK. I like some of them.
>>92547678Malifaux
>>92522438Which game is OP image from?
>>92576058Darklands
>>92576484Thanks friend!
>>92563735Verrotwood - apocalyptic dark forest where you make up cult warbands
Just had my first couple of games of OPR skirmish, and it was surprisingly good.What are peoples thought on it, and what are some fun warbands
Sexo.
>>92578115they look like shit, proportions all over the place
>>92578115Never liked the avatara really, but these ones i'll get together with their prideborne. Them being able to fire over and behind my smaller shit will be so fucking good.
>>92578513>pridebornew-what?
>>92579221The release of the the Leonine will also include a new character that can lead them. If the Highborne is an mmo player that can afford to whale on the best gear there is, the Prideborne is the f2p grinder that can't afford the best, but makes the most of what he/she has. I think their actual fluff is exiles that enjoy the hunting more then warring.
>>92579327Oh that sounds cool, maybe there will be a chance to get siegebreaker without HB
>>92578115Is it safe to stick it into those things?They don't have those weird reverse barbs, do they?
Hello anons,I've been toying for a while with ideas to make a game with individual model movement but with the potential to use comparatively large warbands (in the 30-50 range) AND with players alternating in activation of groups of models. So, something like MESBG, except players alternate in activating some 6-12 models at a time, despite those models not being bound as 'units' and being free to move around as they wish. The main problem with this kind of system is keeping track of which models have activated yet. The first solution that came to mind was to have characters and other 'commanding' models (like standard bearers and musicians) act as lynchpins for activations and allowing you to activate other models around them; however, if I just had it be that characters can activate themselves and models within X'' from them, that would still not have fixed the problem.So, I landed on a solution that seems a little janky, but also appears to work well. In it, the activation sequence of a character/leader would go like this:>pick a character>the character performs their activation (move and/or shoot/action)>>then, every friendly model (except characters, monsters and warmachines) within 4'' that hasn't yet activated, performs their activation*. However, they MUST** end their activation within 4'' from the character. >>>then, if you activated fewer than 12 models in this hand, you may activate additional models that aren't within 4'' of the character, but they MUST finish their activation within 4'' of the character**.This means that, once the character has activated, every warrior within 4'' of its ending position has also been activated. So, if you remember that the character has been activated already, or put a little token by it to remember it, you know that every warrior within 4'' is activated as well, without any stragglers.
>>92581643After all character activations have played out, players alternate in activating independent models (monsters, warmachines etc.). Then, when all independent models have been activated, if there are any stragglers that haven't been activated yet, players alternate in activating these stragglers. >*If a warrior is on the edge of the command zone, you may choose to move it up to 1'' outwards instead of activating it, so that it may be activated later instead.>**You can have an activated warrior move outside of the command zone instead, but it can't shoot, charge or perform actions, and is knocked to the ground at the end of its movement. Also, if a warrior is activated outside of the command zone and fails to reach the command zone (eg. from failing a check to climb or traverse terrain), it is also knocked down.Then after all activations, combats are resolved in a manner similar to MESBG.How does it sound? I think it's a bit complicated to explain, but hopefully it's fairly intuitive in actual practice.
>>92581643>This means that, once the character has activated, every warrior within 4'' of its ending position has also been activated>activated => within 4">within 4" => activatedThese are different.From your description you're better off ignoring model facing and using the usual Blood Bowl solution: turn around models that have activated. And if you separate moving and shooting then everyone turns twice per turn and ends up facing the right way. As long as you remember to turn everyone that doesn't move/shoot as well.
>>92581807>These are different.How though?>Character activates>Afterwards, warriors within 4'' also activate and can't go outside of 4'' from the character>Ergo, if warrior is within 4'' of a character that has activated, they must also have activated. >ignoring model facing and using the usual Blood Bowl solution: turn around models that have activatedThank you for the suggestion, but I don't like that visually.
>>92575904Oh shit, don't show me that. I don't want to order more of that horrid TTCombat resin.
>>92575904They need to make a goofy hippie to complete the Three Faces.
>>92574830>>92573578You both sound like bitches.
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>>92581845What if the character that just activated moved close to another character, which hasn't activated yet, and yet, it has a few models around. The activated character would activate and move his 'retinue', but they could potentially end up within 4'' of the character that hasn't activated yet.Unrelated question, does anyone know of any good looking, greek-inspired Centaur models? Same for cyclopses.
>>92563735Gaslands and Bangarang in the Gutterlands both encourage kitbashing.
>>92537001icywinters
Debating on picking up some models from Gamenerdz for Marvel Crisis Protocol. Looking at Immortal Hulk, Agent Venom pack, Warmachine pack, and Ghost Riders. Thoughts?
>>92586670Sure, do as you like.I have both official and non-official models, sometimes I switch them up based on what I am running. It's nice to have variety, and I am going to be getting the Hellfire Storm soon which is exciting, hope someone also makes alt sculpt for the 2010s animated Wasp and maybe evolution Rogue.
has anyone tried the good old battlesystem 2E?is it good? worth its PDF price ?I'm looking for more mass fantasy games to try and for some reason I had never heard of this
>>92582122C'mon now it's not THAT bad.
>>92587395It's pretty bad, anon. It's too fragile, way to bendy compared to most resin (including 3D printed ones), and sometimes sold bubbled. It's up there with GW's awful resin and gating.
>>92587451I know, I just have to keep telling myself it's fine because I like the models and must consoom
>>92587451>fragile, way to bendyHow can it be both fragile and bendy?
>>92587660Buy some and find out. It's got the usual bent that many resin models get for thinner parts, like swords, but it's also more brittle than most resin (but the designs also tend to be more detail and thinner too, so that don't help like say with legs of civilians.)
Anyone got Fantasy Trilogy from Wiley Games?
Who makes some good conquistadors miniature? Have been feeling extra colonizer'ing lately, and would like to make a small warband for some skirmish game
Anyone have experience playing Black Powder Red Earth?Thinking about buying the starter box set.
>>92587395>>92587451The sticking point to me is that it doesn't stick. The primer to the resin.
>>92588297Wargames Atlantic. Their footslogging Conquistadors is simply amazing and they are getting a cavalry kit soon™ as well.
>>92588378>>92552768People here are complaining about $2 per mini. This is the worst place possible to shill for your overpriced garbage.
>>92588718They are some lovely models, and really like their foot knights as well
>>92588731I see people complain about $5 or more per generic trooper, and point out that ranges like Norf Star and WGA are under $1 per decent mini so a $2 range ought to actually offer something good. $2 each isn't expensive, but it's not competitively cheap either.
>>92588297>Who makes some good conquistadors miniature?>Have been feeling extra colonizer'ing lately, and would like to make a small warband for some skirmish gameAntediluvian has some really good character models, so do the Blood and Plunder guys. WGA's plastics are great for rank-and-file.>>92588378I watched their demo stuff from the Kickstarter and it just didn't activate the ol' almonds. Ultramoderns is pretty saturated right now, so I'm not putting that kind of time and cash into yet another one. Is there anything they've added that's particularly interesting?
>>92588378Looks uninspired and hilariously overpriced for very middling models.
>>92588731>if it's not the cheapest mini out there, it's overpriced garbageWonder why these guys don't just play with wooden blocks
>>92589251I like miniatures a lot, I just like them cheap
>>92589251Prices kinda need to be justified with proportional quality. There's a difference between 'just play with meeples' and 'I'd rather grab better models of the same kind for half the price".
>>92589251let me guess... you need more?
>>92589251WGA are more expensive than Perry's and yet I have no reason to not enjoy both. There are obvious market standards regarding both price and quality and '$65 for 10 monopose resin dudes' definitely doesn't belong to the reasonably priced category.
>>92588378Isn't it a /hwg/ game?
>>92589274>linerats yellow>runners greyCute sculpt but that bugs the shit out of me.
>>92589184Looks like they pushed out a few expansions with more teams but not much else.
>>92588731>>92589233Yeah thats what was making me hesitate. Modern GW prices for 80s quality. What are some similar ranges for better prices?
Are there any strange horror infastation like miniatures, for a fantasy settingsomething like Tyranids or The Thing maybe. Just something weird and strange to use as a skirmish warband
>>92546970Sure did. Writeup - https://bat-reps.blogspot.com/2024/04/i-played-mike-hutchinsons-hobgoblin.html?m=1Tl;dr its not opr, as in, its not "warhammer but simple."
>>92589572Reaper's worm man. Maybe a few big worm creatures, green stuff some worms coming out of the faces of some frostgrave soldiers.
>>92589251Quality post, right on the nail.I can understand them however, money is shit now. And as much as i hate to say "In ThiS eConoMy", it really is fucked. But same shit goes for expecting minis to be unreasonable cheap.
>>92589287Sovl
>>92590631/awg/, and /tg/ as a whole to some extent, is a bad place to talk about miniature prices because while you can say some minis like GW's are too expensive, the board is filled with extreme misers who assume anything more expensive than dollar store green marines is a ripoff.
>>92589251>He doesn't play with blocks of wood.
>>92590695I prefer it that way desu. I'd rather have misers telling me where to find cheap minis than whales showing off their $4,000 funkopop collection.
>>92590750In theory I agree with you, but a lot of those misers just kinda bitch without offering anything in return.
>>92589287Something about flocked hexes speaks to me.
>>92590774I think both are caricatures of the extremes of the hobby. Reasonable people can find a middle ground. I'll still take the extreme misers playing with paper cutouts and wood blocks over the spendthrifts. I remember towards the end of WHFB players praising GW's exorbitant rates, because they kept poor people out, and mocking people who complained about their "luxury hobby".
>>92590631>>92590695>>92590774I, for one, am very happy to cash out for high-quality miniatures. People are bringing up prices because >>92552768 are really not very good, in addition to being shitty resin.
>>92590832>and mocking people who complained about their "luxury hobby".That in itself is a fucking joke, because Warhammer (as an isolated hobby, compared to wargaming in general) is still pretty cheap compared to other hobbies. Someone has a $2-4000 army? Whats that compared to someone who has a decent motorbike, or plays guitar or any other kinda expensive instrument. I could buy a fucking bumper for my BMW that costs more than some peoples entire armies. This entire "its so expensive" meme is just that, a meme. You realize it if you start interacting with other people, and engaging in other hobbies. But enough of the rambling, ofc GW is fucking overpriced compared with most other wargaming company, but people pay their retarded prices instead of going for cheaper alternatives by WGA, Northstar etc.
>>92590839>I, for one, am very happy to cash out for high-quality miniaturesI do sometimes. But desu, the really high end amazing stuff looks nice. But I'm but a pro painter so my work tends to obscure their quality. Looking more like the foxes at the bottom of your pic then the flowery dress.
>>92590877>Someone has a $2-4000 army? Whats that compared to someone who has a decent motorbike, or plays guitar or any other kinda expensive instrument.This is a still comparison. I might spend $1000 a month on prostitutes, but that doesn't mean I want to be fucked by a miniature company.
>>92590879I do that too, even without being a pro-painter.Some of GWs stuff is just very pleasing to look at, even nu-hammer minis sometimes. And ofc i buy some of those. But i also buy a lot more cheaper stuff, for example i've "invested" $600 into WGAs fundraiser for their traitor guard proxies because i think something like that is worth my support more than GW (whose traitor guard i could have bought instead i guess).
>>92590903>I might spend $1000 a month on prostitutes, but that doesn't mean I want to be fucked by a miniature company.Thats true. Its expensive if you compare it to similar wargames. But its nothing to brag about towards other people, claiming its a luxury hobby, because in comparison with other hobbies its not. Its really not. Even if you look at other "toy" hobbies, warhammer is not that expensive. Do you know the prices of Lego these days?
>>92590941I think what sets people off is that green army men and 3d printing make people wonder why plastic mold kits are so expensive compared to poorly made resin prints and cheap plastic army men that are 1 color with 0 detailing and come in the same 7 poses.
headsup that Northstar launched their Scavengers II (females) today.
Which onepagerules fantasy faction would be the best fit for na eldritch horrors and their cultists warband?
>>92591474>na eldritch horrorsNorth American? Narcotics anonymous?
How fun is Badgers and Burrows I want to see a little knife rat shiv a dude
>>92591474>>92591527for an eldritch horrors and their cultists warband*
>>92590877apples and oranges. of course you can find other completely unrelated things that have higher costs. that doesn't mean anything. a racecar is more expensive than a golf club? you should get in to private spaceships, that's a real hobby! what point do you think you're making here?
>>92591201the people who print aren't really part of these discussions anymore.you might be able to talk to them about the cost of STLs I guess.
What are the general thoughts around Kings of War Ambush?
>>92592939I think that it's good for demo games but I don't think that it's super balanced. The swinginess of nerve rolls in the game evens out when you have ~13 units a side, but not as much when each side only has 5. Also soul reaver infantry and other uber elite units can get too strong. At Adepticon it was used for the doubles event, which was effectively a 2000 point tournament, so I think that it works there for non-demo games.
>>92592939Send kinda weird to me. Why not just play Vanguard if you want the low count skirmish option?
>>92592932They shouldn't, but they still like to butt in at random.
>>92592932>the people who print aren't really part of these discussions anymoreI think it's still pretty valid when you can get cheap 3d prints on Etsy whether or not you have a printer.
>>92592883the point is, that its idiotic to brag about the ability to be able to purchase warhammer stuff, or that its an expensive luxury hobby, when it clearly is just toys to "really" expensive hobbies.
>>92593196The prices on Etsy have gotten pretty high.
>>92593014Does it play well? My understanding is that fewer units means more important manoeuvring. Do spells break things?>>92593154I already play the best Skirmish game on the market.
>>92593410>I already play the best Skirmish game on the market.What is the best skirmish game on the market?
>>92593426Fallout Wasteland Warfare, of course.
>>92592932>>92593177huh? You can print, and buy alternative minis as well as buy gw stuff. Neither of those things is exclusive and rules out the other. In fact, kitbashing all sorts of things from all those sources together is pretty cool.
>>92593410Positioning matters about as much. Individual units are more impactful, but you don't have the big formations you have in the regular game with units covering each others flanks and screening chaff being used. It plays OK but games go very quickly. Spells are about the same honestly given that you aren't able to bring many casters with the repetition limit at sub 1000 points.>>92593154Vanguard is significantly different than Kings of War proper. It's a complex skirmish game with alternating activations and special abilities on unit cards while KOW is a lot more straight forward in comparison.
>>92593472>you don't have the big formations you have in the regular game with units covering each others flanks and screening chaff being usedYeah I was wondering how the ban on Legions etc would impact things, do Armies like the Undead suffer because of these restrictions? Or does it all sort of work out in the end?
>>92589799Thanks! It sounds quite interesting based on your summary, I'll have a look at other reviews, battle reports and the army builder app.
>>92593449Printing your own models is a completely different discussion than comparing market prices of existing product. The problem is when printfags don't acknowledge that and bring it into a discussion inappropriately. Like when someone asks about a cheap plastic alternative kit for something, and someone comes in and tells them they can just print them out yourself.
>>92593513I think that Undead do well with how strong their high defense units like soul reavers and revenants do. But units like zombies which shine in hordes probably won't be as hip.
>>92593177some intersection between wanting to feel smart and superior, and probably a few cases of people earnestly trying to help fellow hobbyists. I don't see the point personally. home 3d printing hit maturity 7 or 8 years ago, and gw has had an abusive relationship with its customers for 3 times that long. if there's a guy that hasn't got the message yet, he ain't getting it.
>>92593545>inappropriatelyI wouldn't go that far. I know what type of situations you mean, but usually the suggestions of a printfag is more like a "teach a man how to fish"-type of thing.
>>92593557>But units like zombies which shine in hordes probably won't be as hip.Grim, I was liking the look of those big blobs of dudes. Well, thanks for the info anon, I'll do some more research
>>92593564The food analogy would be if someone asked where to get a cheap but decent burger, and someone says "Why don't you cook your own?" (kitbashing). The amount of planning ahead for printing, it would be the equivalent of saying to them "Why don't you just grind your own beef?"
>>92593196>cheap>3d prints on EtsyPick one.
>>92593440Do people actually play that? I've been trying to pirate stuff for it and there's a ton of releases that aren't shared.
>>92593833Yeah, pretty decent game. Very narrative focused if you're into that, and has really good AI play options. If you're not into narrative games then I say hard skip it though.They also sell STLs for stuff they don't want to have a large stock of.
>>92593833>Do people actually play that?Very frequently indeed.
>>92593747define cheap. compared to GW prices (which are retarded), most stuff on Etsy is fairly cheap. You can get proxy tanks for half the price or less than that. around 30€ for a Leman Russ proxy isn't that bad, if you really need one and you have really no way to print it by yourself. You also have to keep in mind that you are essentially buying from private persons there, so prices differ depending on your location, same as ebay prices for used stuff. Here i hardly can find GW stuff for less than 20% discount on ebay, even badly painted, people try to sell it for 10% below retail, so those etsy prices aren't that bad compared to that.But you could also get toys like pic related (or the many toy story space ships that people often use) for less than 10€.
I just found out about it, as far as I understood it it's a system where you build your army with rules as you want them correct?Did anyone try it, is it good?
>>92595225No, it's not.
>>92593729that analogy made a lot of sense a decade ago when it was coined, because at the time 3D printing was difficult, time consuming and involved compromises. now it just comes off like boomers ranting about simple consumer tech they can't figure out.like I get it, you're set in your ways, the brain fog has set in, but paying ten times more for lower quality, fewer options and less convenience in the name of traditionalism isn't the argument you think it is.
>>92593729>>92596058While 3d printing isn't for everyone if you actually are spending 1k plus in this hobby you absolutely should do it, and it should be the gold standard of mini pricing going forward, anyone who thinks otherwise is a shill and faggot trying to peddle the latest kickstarter scam or a rampant consumer.
>>92595595Elaborate
>>92596058Nah, its an apt analogy. Both take time, even if 90% of that time is just waiting (chilling the meat and grinder; waiting for the prints), neither are actually hard but do need some know-how to make it painless, and both involve extra equipment that, if you're really not super into it, is just another thing that you have to have space for and can be seen as a pain in the ass.
>>92596309the analogy breaks down because I can go to a fancy restaurant and buy a burger that is better than anything I as an amateur chef can make. that's not true with miniatures anymore. almost nobody working in resin, metal or plastic can compete with what you can do yourself on quality, and even the best mini makers on the planet can't give you anything like the range of options or freedom to modify. you're ordering out for a substandard product even if you go to the equivalent of a michelin five star restaurant.like sure I can go to GW and give them a large pile of money for 10 multipart space marines. maybe that kit is very nice. perhaps it has some variant poses, weapons, the ability to combine them in different ways. but for the same effort I can sit here on my computer and have every space marine armor variety ever, posed however I want, with any combination of weapons and heads and optional bits I can think of. I've got like.. 400 weapon options. if I want to stick wings or horns or feathers on the helmets, custom crests on the shoulderpads, whatever. If I want a helmet design that came to me in a dream and has never before existed as a bit, I can just have it. an hour from now I can have it in my hand, as many copies as I like. and even factoring in equipment, power, supplies, the whole nine, for the cost of that SM box I'm printing a whole army, easily.if you want a food analogy, in 2024 the choice is this - you can make a gourmet burger at home, or you can pay fancy restaurant prices for mcdonald's. those are your options.
>>92522438>>TQI built this shelf. I always wanted one of those quarto cabinets but they weigh a million pounds and this works better, it's just less classy.
>>92593410>>92593440Tell me about the game. Sell me on it.
>>92586582Oh, a fat guy jerking off while affecting a female pitch! Very cool anon!
>>92590832>luxury hobbyPeople who brag about this always live like shit lol
>>92589251I play Kriegspiel and Fletcher Pratt occasionally, Anon, but horses for courses. The other thing you're forgetting is that most of the thread has ridden many a game to its death. If the minis are expensive, mid at best, and there are acceptable alternatives out there people just aren't gonna be shitting themselves to pick them up. Regardless of what they're attached to.>>92589411Ultramoderns and especially ones with speculative-fiction rules overlap heavily between the threads. >>92589567It depends on what you want, exactly. If you're willing to pay the same price for much better models, then there's Hasslefree's modern troopers. That involves rolling the dice on shipping. Crooked Dice inherited the old Apocalypse Island range, which has a bunch of African paratroopers, SE-Asian pirates, and survivalist types. Both have a bunch of models good for organized crime or Western terrorist groups. SPECTRE minis are slightly cheaper, and a mix of resin vees with 3DP and metal troopers. They just pulled a whole bunch of their non-MENA models like the Cartels to focus on a new edition. Anvil Industries does multipart resins as well as a 3D printing service. For cheaper multi-part plastics, Warlord re-upped their Project Z line. $14 for 7 modern troopers, comes with a selection of guns for US/Brits/Russian-aligned forces. Perry and Wargames Atlantic have dirt-cheap Afghans that you can convert with the AKs and RPK/RPG-7 from the sprue. The Warlord Bikers and Survivors minis have a massive array of spare guns as well. Sadly their shipping is expensive as fuck.Empress has a huge line of metals that cost significantly less than the BPRE ones. Most of them have similar detail, a few are worse, though the posing on a lot of them is awkward.
>>92597076Not that guy but my two cents on it.1) Super customizable. You want to do X with it you probably can. You may need to buy several expansion card packs to do so but you probably can do whatever you want within fallouts logic.2) Super token heavy. It's not bad once you are used to it, but when you start you WILL say "damn that's a lot of tokens."3) PVP and PVE modes mean you can play it with friends however you want. You can set up a dungeon crawl type thing, or just go head to head.4) IF you like the head to head, Fallout Factions, is coming soon, and that's just a streamlined wasteland warfare that is JUST PVP with 3 different raider type factions.
Does anyone know of sources for good-quality top-down printable cards or foldable standees for ancient warfare? I want to try some new systems but I'm not ready to drop a bunch of money and space on new minis and terrain.(preferably late rome if that's possible)
>>92594094Nothing I've seen on Etsy is even cheap compared to GW. That's infantry rather than tanks, but I'm not sure they're much different. A quick look finds some around £50 plus £5 shipping,which is far worse than GW's retarded £40 even before a 20% discount.
>>92597404https://mortem-et-gloriam.co.uk/meg/paper-armies/Googling for DBA top downs or paper armies should give you more. Pixel art on Junior General. Wargame Vaul probably has prettier stuff.For a more zoomed out look of massed troops Too Fat Lardies sells a pdf for their Strength & Honour.
>>92597861It's been pretty cheap for me. Comparing to GW is always a shit show, but you can get 10 big multipose trolls for $25. GW charges $45 for the "rock gut troggiths"
>>92599443The search function must like you a lot more than me, because it found me one troll for £15 + £4 delivery. Or another lot of 4 for £44 + £9.So maybe cheap minis exist, but i the site isn't going to show me them it's still no use to me.
>>92599495>The search function must like you a lot more than meMaybe. It was like the third option when I typed in troll.
>>92597076It would be better for you to ask questions rather than have me fart on about the game at length. What would you like to know anon? It's my favourite, and the best, Skirmish Game on the market.
>>92599495>>92597861I think it has a lot to do with your region, and since i'm in germany i try to avoid high shipping costs so i filter for Germany and EU only. So i honestly have no clue how prices are for UK people on etsy..Maybe the sellers here are just cheaper than in the UK, but then again, you get better GW prices to beginn with."Your" Leman Russ is 40 pounds (=47€), while "my" Leman Russ is 55€ retain (=63GBP), but those retail prices are a different topic anyway.I did a quick search for "40k tank" on etsy and got that one for example:https://www.etsy.com/de/listing/1719411407/station-forge-grimguard-flammenpanzer31€ compared to 45€ (40 if i buy it from a store that gives the usual discount) for a Hellhound (with trailer) is not a terrible deal if i really needed one.The same store has squads like these 11 "kasrkin" for 13€. That is a lot (!) cheaper than GWs plasitc kit, which is 50, for 10.https://www.etsy.com/de/listing/1699401341/station-forge-royalguard-kommandos-11But of course, people try to make money, and you can find the same kits for twice or three time those prices too.
I'm not 100% sure about Northstars release schedule, but one of the next sets will be female frostgrave cultists, right?
>>92600023Huh, that gif is smaller than I remember...
>>92597861>>92599495>>92600644I don't know if it needs mentioning, but etsy should generally be a last resort for printed models. it's trivially easy to get in to 3D printing these days, and to get ahold of files. so even if you don't personally do it, you can't walk 5 steps in any direction in most hobby shops or game clubs without bumping in to someone who does. and having stuff printed by people you know will not only cut the shipping out but also substantially reduce both costs and ease of getting things you want.
>>92601512>and ease of getting things you want.For many people, ordering something online is a lot easier than to approach other people.
>>92601693sure, if you're a recluse, then "last resort" and "only resort" might be the same thing. but I think you're projecting more than a little if you call it most people, since this hobby at minimum requires meeting with other humans and sharing a table to play games. and those other humans you're miniature gaming with are not coincidentally the members of your wider community most likely to be invested in 3D printing.
>>92601512Personally, I've found that if I compare ordering from an etsy or other marketplace 3D printer and buying files and asking an acquaintance to print them for me usually ends up around the same price. If I wanted multiple of a single set there's probably savings to be had, but as someone who mostly play skirmish modes I seldom want more than a single set of anything.
>>92551958This is Not a Test
