https://www.streetinsider.com/dr/news.php?id=23077670>On April 15, 2024, Cynthia Williams, President of Wizards of the Coast and Hasbro (NASDAQ: HAS) Gaming, informed the Company of her resignation from the Company effective April 26, 2024. The Company is conducting a process to identify her successor, looking at both internal and external candidates.Thoughts?
>>92523452Not surprising if the financial troubles are to be believed.Makes the shareholders happy, protects the actual problem people, she gets a nice severance bonus.
>>92523452good riddance
>>92523452What was she responsible for?
>>92523452>Thoughts?No thoughts.
QUICKLY, ADVENTURER, THERE IS NO TIME! WE MUST FIND HER PHYLACTERY BEFORE SHE REINCARNATES AGAIN!
the asshole who tried to repeal the OGLgoodfuck her
>>92523505>responsible forNothing, she's going to parachute out and get a better job somewhere else, because that's how it works.
>>92523539>blaming her, rather than the fuckwits on the C suite board who will still be there when she is gone
So who's replacing her?
>>92523672Hopefully not another Williams.
>>92523688wait a second, was there any relation with the other Williams? or just coincidence of surnames?
>>92523766Silly anon, they don't ACTUALLY let the freaks get into positions of actual power
>>92523753It's supposed to be a coincidence but it's really just that the player names all his characters "X Williams" because he's lazy.
>>92523465has Hasbro had any success besides MtG and D&D last year?
>>92523791Transformers, maybe?
>>92523452I'm hoping that the shareholders or some internal people who actually love the game have raised the concern about how the IP is being sacrificed on the altar of financial expedience... and not even well.>>92523795How can someone have this thought pattern or modality of expression and not suspect that something is inherently wrong with them? Imagine hearing someone use this pseudo-parataxis in a context outside of identity politics.>Hey dude, want to get some lunch?>There is nothing wrong with eating the bread.>There is nothing wrong with eating the peanut butter.>There is nothing wrong with eating the jelly.
>>92523839as a Hasbro product? i heard the new comics are pretty good and are selling very well for American comics but i don't know if that lead to an increase in toy sales which is what Hasbro gets more revenue from
>>92523672Another more naive suit who they can pin the impending collapse on.
>>92523854Anon, what you are showing is that the mindset is so absurd as to be mocking.Further, it is ignoring how no matter what their immutable qualities, the problem is that they are are corporate shitbags, something you choose to be.
Identify a successorAre they royal families or what?
>>92523465CEOs are such horrible leeches. They torpedo a company and get fucking paid for it. They all deserve to get beheaded.
>>92523515Kiara love>>92523452Rats leaving the sinking ship
>>92523452If Hasbro does collapse who on earth buys them?
>>92525548Enslaved and used as forced labor.
>>92525920the chinese
>>92523452>Thoughts?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDU_Txk06tM
>>92523839Energon universe comics are ok.G.i. joe classified toys seem to do good in spite of 1 or 2 peg warmer figures per wave
>>92523896How am I being a corporate shitbag? You seem to lack reading comprehension. I hope that Hasbro either a) gets pulled back from brink of shilldom so that the things that we love can be saved or b) crashes down in flames. Either way the news from OP is a good thing, accelerates either the unlikely salvation or probable catastrophe.
>>92523858>selling well for American comics
>>92525892Don't you mean rrats?
>>92528933Why did he do it?
>>92527460Will they be getting rid of all the blacks, gays, and trannies from D&D and Magic?
If you play MTG, print cards.If you play DND, play any clone.Hasbro and WOTC don't need to get any of your money.This is chum in the water so you buy more product.
>>92523558this. CEOs literal function is to do what the board tells them to do, and fall on their sword when shit goes bad. I have no problem with CEO compensation packages as if I was in their position, I would want as much money as possible with a golden parachute as well. Publicly traded companies are the worst.
Alright fatguys, this is our one chance to fix everything. How can we get one of us into the position of the new WotC president?
>>92523539>repeal a completely meaningless documentOH NO!...Anyway...
>>92525444>Are they royal families or what?unironically yesan extremely small number of extremely rich families and their connections
>>92523539>OGLThe Open Game Liscense business was a joke, largely because the OGL was always just a largely worthless document that didn't actually give people any legal rights they didn't already have. The recent outcry was actually about the changes in the 5e OGL that would impact the DM's Guild publishing platform, which for the most part no one on /tg/ actually bothered to use or publish through because you'd have to be an idiot to do so, considering the kind of rights you had to sign away.Basically, it was a whole big nontroversy, created by Redditors who were trying to break away from a publishing platform once they thought they were too big for it and its current structure was no longer to their benefit, primarily using twitter to try and stir up outrage with trolls on /tg/ jumping on the bandwagon because any D&D hate they could get their hands on was worth jumping on. All the proposed changes that WotC wanted to make only affected the publishing platforms they themselves controlled, and only impacted people making more than $750k, which meant only a handful of people, who had used those very platforms to make that much money.It's actually a surprising low percentage of people who understood the situation beyond "WotC is trying to copyright imagination!" and other similar nonsense. There's even people unaware that you can't copyright game rules and the 3.0 OGL wasn't some charitable donation, but a document that did little more than provide an alternative logo people could use on their books to indicate they were compatible with the system, since WotC wanted to protect the "D&D" name and brand. That's literally the primary reason behind the "d20" system logo and name, and the only thing the OGL actually granted.This wasn't /tg/'s fight, but the trolls on /tg/ didn't care. They were glad people were spamming WotC hate, and were glad to misinform people about the situation.
>>92529695>trollschizo found the threadDon't you ever get tired of being wrong about everything?
>>92529695And they were based for doing it
>>92529739>trollschizoThe one who keeps spamming about "the worst trolls on /tg/"?
>>92529905That's my suspicion. We'll find out soon whether I'm right, because he's pathologically incapable of letting WotC's "honor" go undefended.
>>92523556Not sure if this is supposed to be an epic own or something but she's absolutely right from a business perspective. D&D might as well be the only TTRPG system that exists as far as normies are concerned and TSR spent their entire time with the brand pissing away potential money.
>>92523465The “financial troubles” are all deliberate.Investors sell high, “bad” CEO is brought in (with a big sign on bonus) to tank company, stocks drop, CEO then resigns with a golden parachute “resignation package,” investors conveniently buy up stocks while they’re still low, stocks shoot up as “good” CEO is brought in to “save” the company (with a nice sign-on package, of course). Everybody profits.Classic Wall Street scam.
>>9252973I'm hoping you're actually just an idiot, and not a troll deliberately spreading misinformation just because you're obsessed with a game you don't even play.The "OGL" business was nothing, largely because the OGLs have always been a meaningless documents that offered nothing that people did not already have. You can't copyright game rules, so even without the OGL you could create and sell compatible components for D&D without having to pay Wizards a dime.The whole "outcry" was just because Wizards decided to double down on its draconic "DM's Guild" licenses, which only affected the people dumb enough to publish on that platform. That's it. People who read the license agreement, saw that it would rape them and take control of any ideas they decided to post there, but still thought it would be worth it because of the exposure they'd get.It's similar to what happened with Machinima, another predatory company trying to make bank on "creators". They offered terrible contracts that were only good if you were a nobody, in the hopes that a few nobodies would go viral and get millions of subscribers but still be stuck with the same shitty agreement they had when they had only a few hundred. Except, the ones that went viral, after using Machinima as a stepping stone to e-celebrity status, created an internet-wide stink about how unfair the contract that they no longer were profiting from was.Same thing happened here. A few DM's Guild creators, after using the platform to establish a following, decided they didn't like the contracts they signed. So, they went to Reddit, Twitter, and eventually here, and decided to try and see if they could convince people that Wizards was waging war against Freedom, Imagination, and LOVE. And, retarded trolls jumped on the bandwagon, because of course they would.
>>92529739>>92529905>>92529942Are you on autospam or something? Samefagging aside, you, and you again, failed to read the post you replied to, because it's clearly not painting WotC in a positive light. Funny how "both" of you made the same mistake."Both of you" would do "yourselves" a favor and actually read it before you have a kneejerk reaction just because trolls were mentioned and you happen to be a troll, I mean trolls.
>>92529582We'll need a pair of Groucho Marx Glasses and a Fedora.
>>92530004>>92530029Called it.
>>92530165>troll on autospam mode still isn't aware that WotC's "honor" is not being defended, it's just the retarded trolls that are being called out on not caring about the actual facts and deciding to become some Redditors' private army because our trolls really are that braindead and easy to manipulateAnd, here you are, once again, ignoring the actual facts.
>>92523452Doesn't matter. They aren't going to start making good product anytime soon.
>>92529695>>92530004Name a single reason that it would have been better to let them get away with going back on a twenty-year-old promise instead of tanking their D&D Beyond revenue so hard that they backtracked.
>>92523452Once again proof that DnD and people named Wiliams dont mix
>>92523452>Thoughts?This woman torched the company and oversaw some of its worst years while doing nothing to make things better. This is more a sign that Hasbro/WotC are fucked worse than anyone knows and that none of the corporate raiders and parasitic monetization specialists they packed the executive board with will want to hang around long enough to see this company crater.
>>92530029>>92530165He does it to himself every fucking time
>>92531042>twenty-year promise...promise of what?You're aware the OGL didn't actually do anything, right? That the changes to the new OGL (only a few years old, and still the same amount of uselessness) would have zero impact on anyone not dumb enough to publish material on WotC's own platforms, right? That they had no control over people using their game rules elsewhere? And, the changes would only affect people who've made more than $750k on that platform, a platform that in order to publish on, you already gave away most of your rights and agreed to accept if the contracts were to arbitrarily change? WotC may be an evil corporation, but if you make a shitty contract with the devil in exchange for fame and cash, you reap what you sow when you get fucked in the end.Are you actually one of those idiots who fell for the publicity stunt of WotC giving out a license for something everyone already legally had the rights to anyway? Are you going to try and argue the license was a promise from WotC not to try fradulently sueing people who copied their games (which anyone could do, because game rules are not protected by copyright), despite them trying to sue people who copied their games long before this hoolabaloo?It's all a dumb nontroversy. If you think the issue is that the people who've made more than $750K peddling shitty "101 LGBT-friendly items!" PDFs on the DM's guild are not making enough money and that you're supposed to fight on their behalf, I don't know what to tell you.
>>92532201I'll give him this: Sperging out about the OGL drama is a new shtick for him.
>>92523452Whichever stooge takes over is going to make things worse.
>>92528722>How am I being a corporate shitbag?Not you, retard. The idiot they replace Williams with.>You seem to lack reading comprehension.lollmao
>>92532316Instead of samefagging some more, just take the L and recognize you still don't know what the OGL actually is and that you're just mad about correctly being labeled an idiotNo one's shocked you haven't actually adressed anything that's been said; you're just a troll mad because the posts include pointing out how dumb our trolls are.
>>92525548How are you this stupid. THATS the point of the CEO, they are to distract goyim like you. When the company keeps fucking you up the ass over and over again, they want you to redirect that anger to the CEO, who is there to be paid to be fired, it makes the company appear like “they are listening!!! The fired the big bad and put in a guy we like, let’s gooo time to support them more”
>>92532591I love when you talk like you've got an enraptured audience hanging on your every word, because it only makes your deranged schizo behavior even more obvious.
>>92532688>tries to dodge again instead of addressing what was said>gets mad that his antics are being called out despite doing nothing but antics, and desperately tries to figure out a way to try and not get called out furtherNo one's fooled.
>>92532688You are kind of a little bitch though.
>>92529994You know, if Disney didn't LITERALLY just do that in the last 5 years, I'd've called you a liar.
>>92532740>>92532755Don't go getting so greasy just because you're a silly little clown baby that everyone laughs at.
RIP bozo
>>92532809You’ll see the same pattern in almost every CEO change up for the last 20 or so years.
>>92523452Anyone who thinks this is some kind of downfall for her is a fucking retard. Look at any tech company when the president steps down. Williams will likely award herself a multi-million dollar severance package, take a vacation for about 18 months and then become an executive at another company. This is what executives do.
>>92523452How can I apply? I don't know shit about business, so I will either sink the ship permanently or fuck up and make it good through sheer luck.
>>92529991They pissed away money by thinking of D&D Beyond as a videogame, then pushing microtransactions to a degree that never would have worked even in a videogame, it's a glorified digital character sheet except that it's trying to charge you more every time you use it.Do you see this image? Do you see "Adept of the Black Robes: 1.99"? That means that you have to pay 1.99 USD before any of your characters can take that feat on D&D Beyond.Videogames have a captive digital audience, D&D doesn't and never will, they are unbelievably stupid and so are you.
>>92525920GW will probably buy some bits of it
>>92528933He didn't fly so good! Who wants to try next?
Pretty sure large % of voting share holders went. She fucks off now or we sell and others will allow and hostile take-over gladly selling the shares.
>>92532255Pathfinder would never have in a million years happened without the OGL. Paizo would have been sued to shit.
How close is Rudy to buying Hasbro?
>>92532255Yes, the OGL wasn’t legally necessary. But it was still a promise to abide by certain guidelines. Even if it was just a publicity stunt, I fail to see any reason not to hold them to it. Can you give a single reason that letting them fuck around with the language on a promise—even a legally pointless one—would have been a net positive?
>>92540921That's actually incredibly wrong.In no small part because for every single edition, with or without the OGL, there have been copies of D&D. And, they're entirely legal because, now let's all repeat it together:You. Can't. Copyright. Game Rules.What sets Pathfinder apart is that it was made by people who had previously worked for sanctioned WotC products, the Dragon and Dungeon magazines, and their company was in a prime position to take advantage of the rift that developed in the D&D community over the new 4e. Aside from Paizo, there have been dozens of companies that have published D&D copies, and even to this day new clone games are being published, even for non-OGL editions. The only thing that sets Pathfinder apart is it came out at a perfect time and with a reasonable reputation to act as a qualified Torch-bearer for 3rd edition.Without the OGL, Pathfinder would have still existed, and if WotC tried to sue them, Paizo would have won the court case, in no small part because Paizo has had an extensive relationship with Hasbro's lawyers and was fairly acquainted with how copyright laws work, particularly in relationship to tabletop games.
>>92542510The only difference would have been that Pathfinder would probably have taken a few more steps to avoid direct plagiarism and would have just reworded more of the text further, something they were already doing. That's about it. Everything else, including avoiding any Trademarked material to the point where they were creating brand new visual designs for every monster, modifying the rules for every class, and stripping out any text that was flavor-oriented were things they did even with the OGL existing. And, that's because the OGL was definitely not a promise that WotC wouldn't fraudulently sue people for copyright infringement, because they literally fraudulently sued people for copyright infringement multiple times even after the OGL, including the publishers of the Book or Erotic Fantasy (because WotC thought those books made D&D look bad) and even the publishers of Lejendary Adventure (because WotC had a history of sinking any Gygax project just as a matter of habit at that point).I really don't think you're getting it. The OGL was a joke. Paizo didn't trust the OGL one bit, which is why they took plenty of extra steps to make sure WotC wouldn't sue them. Hell, the OGL is such a joke that Paizo has gone ahead and created the "Open RPG Creative License", the biggest joke of all, because they intend for it to be a "license for every table top game", even for the ones that don't sign it or agree with it, because all the "license" does is reiterate basic US copyright law. It's so fucking dumb, but Paizo understands that most people really just don't understand copyright law or even just basic logic, so the idea of creating a "system-agnostic license" just becomes a great publicity stunt and a great joke for everyone at Paizo.
>>92529991Yeah, exactly what kind of 'cross-brand synergy' bullshit was someone going to be doing in the mid-90s?A movie? Saw how that worked out.Video games? They existed, and did well enough, but vidya in the 90s is nothing like vidya now (for one thing, you couldn't build a glorified slot machine and pretend it was a full-functional game at the time; infrastructure wasn't there.)The only way to do 'brand monetization' in the 90s would have been tie-in paperback novels. Which they did. And they sold so poorly that it's what killed them.But sure. If anybody knows what these 'brand promotion' ideas TSR should have been pushing back when nobody cared about nerd shit, feel free to enlighten us.
>>92542510>You. Can't. Copyright. Game Rules.Now enjoy proving in court exactly which elements of your system are purely mechanical game rules and which are setting-specific or draw too much inspiration from the forgotten realms. Every single time. For every single product. Just because you can theoretically win something in court means nothing if the threat of litigation is enough to stop anyone from trying, and even if you win you get bankrupted. Look at Chapterhouse for an example. Litigation is expensive and can take YEARS and most people using the OGL couldn't afford ANY court costs, hence why it was valuable.In 4th edition, WOTC switched to a newer, more restrictive Games Service License for 4e instead of rhe 3.x OGL. Guess what happened? THIRD PARTIES TREATED IT LIKE IT WAS FUCKING RADIOACTIVE, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANNA GET SUED!"hurr durr you can't copyright game rules so just stake your own livelihood, all your family's livelihood, the livelihoods of all your employees, and oh by the way everyone involved's continued access to health insurance and medical care which they get from their employer on the fact this vindictive billion dollar company won't ever sue you if your product ends up more popular than theirs" is such a retarded out of touch midwit take from someone clearly only passingly familiar with what litigation of this sort truly entails. "WELL, YOU CAN'T COPYRIGHT GAME MECHANICS, NEENER NEENER YOUR COMPLAINT IS INVALID!" is not a valid response when you get a complaint in the mail, you're still gonna have to fight it out in court every single time faggot.
>>92541787>But it was still a promise to abide by certain guidelines....including the guidelines that let them change what those guidelines were. It's really that simple. If the terms and conditions are subject to change, and you still sign that contract, that's on you.>can you give a single reason that letting them fuck around with the language on a promiseIn this specific example?Do you really not understand who you were fighting for?You were fighting for people who made more than 3/4s of a million dollars by exploiting the easy attention they got on Wizard's hosted platforms, selling basically garbage but to a hungry audience, ironically created not by WIzard's building up that community but by them not publishing enough material for that community. What we're looking at is people who shamelessy whored themselves on Wizard's platforms, gladly signing one of the most ridiculous contracts ever in exchange for easy access to a starving audience, and then getting upset when Daddy Wizard realized how much the starving audience was actually worth.
>>92543244It's not too far away from the whole horror that is Roblox, another system where a company has a platform designed to exploit anyone who partakes in it, but there's people gladly willing to sign up because the audience is so big that even trash has a chance of making them hundreds of thousands of dollars, or even just straight up millions. No one has to sign these contracts, but because people do, the system continues.The problem with the outcry over the OGL is that it didn't address any of the real issues, because the OGL is a non-issue. It's basically not even really what's at the heart of what's being discussed, because the only thing that Wizard's can actually affect is stuff published on their own platform, and it's the extensive contracts in relation to those platforms that are actually the issue. Hell, the leaked proposed document included restrictions on things that Wizard's quite literally had no way of actually restricting on anything other than their own platforms, because no matter how powerful they imagine Wizards to be, they can't just change US Copyright law. Hasbro lawyers are nothing like Disney Lawyers.But, you can't generate an outcry based on "People who've made a shit ton of money almost solely thanks to exposure they gained on Wizard's platforms are upset they won't be able to continue making the same ludicrous amounts of money," so it became "Wizards is changing the OGL and that means they're WAGING WAR AGAINST IMAGINATION WHO'S WITH ME?!?"
>>92543254Quite simply, it's shitty people being shitty to each other, and that's not something to get involved with. If you published something in the DM's Guild, made more than three quarters of a million dollars off it, and only started regretting signing those contracts when Daddy WotC decided it wanted a bigger piece of your pie when it realized the platform itself was far more valuable than they initially expected it to be, who the fuck is supposed to sympathize with you? If it really was about freedom and imagination and whatever, you would have just published that shit elsewhere, which you could do freely and without fear of being sued, like countless people have.It's why the next edition isn't gonna be called "6e". So many third party publishers have made "Compatible with 5e" material, completely outside of Wizards' control and not having to pay Wizards a dime, and Wizards can't do a thing about it because not only does Copyright law protect them, Wizards couldn't trademark "5e", because it's just a number and letter indicating edition. Those are the people who you should be "fighting for", except they don't need to be fought for because they decided not to publish their shit on platforms controlled by Wizards, and don't need a private army screaming about how unfair it is to make hundreds of thousands of dollars thanks almost entirely to a platform built on a brand you were allowed to slather all over your product, with the sole caveat that you were giving away the majority of the rights to it.
>>92543144>THIRD PARTIES TREATED IT LIKE IT WAS FUCKING RADIOACTIVEExcept, they didn't. Hell, Fiery Dragon Press alone published more than a dozen 4e compatible books. And, don't forget there were clone RPGs like Strike!. The reason 3rd parties didn't like 4e was simply because most didn't like 4e. Even Wizards was having trouble with selling it as a 1st party, so it's no real surprise few wanted to throw in their lot with it.And, please. You're still stuck on this idea that the OGL was some sort of "promise" from WIzards that they wouldn't sue anyone, when Wizards still had no problem sueing people even with the OGL in place. The OGL was truly meaningless.
>>92543244>including the guidelines that let them change what those guidelines were.It was an irrevocable license, which they then tried to revoke.>Do you really not understand who you were fighting for?You're evading the question. Why would it have been better to let WotC do whatever they wanted, rather than force them to cave? You keep whining about how forcing them to back down wasn't worth it and didn't realistically matter to the average player, but you haven't given any reason that people should have preferred the alternative.
I am seeing people try to spin this into some larger culture war narrative but there's so little substance beyond "this president is a woman." It sounds like the typical move of a high level person "resigning" to cash out and get hired elsewhere.
>>92543534>It was an irrevocable license, which they then tried to revoke.You're wrong, again. Please read through the entire posts before you comment again.Hell, you're wrong in several ways.1. The OGL isn't a true license. It doesn't grant any real permissions, so it can't take them away either. What actually protects 3rd parties is pure and simple US copyright law. 2. The only place the changes to the OGL could have any affect were on publishing platforms controlled by Wizards, and it's there where the ridiculous contracts already require any submissions to sign away most of their rights to begin with. That's ultimately not a matter of the OGL, but with the DM's Guild, etc., and doesn't affect anyone except the people who signed those contracts (and profited from them).3. The proposed changes to the OGL were from an internal leaked draft that was so faulty in legal terms it's hard to say whether it actually went in front of any lawyers. This was a controversy about something that was basically nothing, an unreleased draft from Wizards trying to figure out how to save their sinking ship, with the foremost idea being to put a "wealth tax" on the people making hundreds of thousands of dollars on their platforms.>Why would it have been better to let WotC do whatever they wanted, rather than force them to cave?Cave? With what?They apologized about an unfinished draft that had not even been released yet, then released a "revised" version which ultimately ended up just being a more realistic version of what WotC could actually legally do. And, they did it with an apology that explained their underlying reasoning as-1. Progressive and Anti-hate.2. Anti-NFT, another easy target.3. Ironically Anti-Corporate.I mean, fuck me, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't just grossly miscalculate and intentionally leaked that draft. Fucking hell, they somehow worked "Ant-hate" rhetoric into this nonsense.
>>92544133The bottom line is that this whole business is a distraction, a discussion about nonsense. You're acting like the "alternative" was that the "average player" would suddenly lose all their rights thanks to an unfinished draft of a fake license that would take away permissions it hadn't granted in the first place. That was, quite simply, never going to happen.Yes, WotC is a shitty corporation. All corporations are shitty corporations. But, please, don't act like some great war was fought and WotC was forced to let people use their imaginations again. All that really happened was people got obsessed about OGL and ORCs, giving companies free publicity while the absolutely heinous contracts in place on platforms like the DM's guild went untouched. It's kind of like me keeping you chained up in my basement, then threatening to kill you with my mind, and then feeling relieved when you convince me not to kill you with my mind.It's being relieved that the imaginary threat has passed.
>>92544147What people should have been during this business is learning what the OGL actually was, not crying about its imaginary death. But, because there were people on Wizards' platforms with a monetary interest in avoiding the proposals that would affect people who've made more than 750k on wizards' platforms, suddenly it became an issue that had people making 5 threads a day on this board to complain about it.It's like this whole female space marine business. A pointless distraction, and all because of people like you who need everything spelled out for them and even then you're still going to proceed to be wrong, because all you really care about is being mad.This isn't about WotC being allowed to do whatever it wants, it's about people like you spreading misinformation and misunderstanding what's actually happening, all just because screaming CORPORATION BAD is a replacement for actually playing games for you. Yes, corporation bad. All corporations are bad. But at the point where you're claiming a company is waging a war against the imagination just because some millionaires selling Wheelchair guides told you to, that's where things have gotten silly.
>>92543331>There were dozens of books!Yeah, compared to the hundreds for 3E.This is just revisionist cope.Multiple companies at the time talked about how ridiculously restrictive the license was, and made specific decisions based on that license.
>>92544378...Except that they didn't need the license to make 3rd party material.It almost sounds like your multiple companies were just looking for excuses, in no small part because Fiery Dragon Press was far from the sole company to publish 3rd party material. There were literally hundreds of 3rd party books for 4e, including monster compendiums, adventures, campaign settings, and various other supplements, with a fair amount of them still available on Drive Thru RPG. The GSL was just as much a joke as the OGL was, and neither of them were neccesary to create 3rd party content. Ultimately, if people found the GSL to be too restrictive, an easy solution was just don't use the GSL, which in no small part was even more useless than the OGL, because the GSL didn't even allow the copy-pasting of rules text like the OGL did. Hell, all the GSL really granted was the ability to use the "Compatability Logo", in a similar way to how the OGL enabled the use of the "d20 System" logo, a logo specifically designed just so that Wizards wouldn't have to risk using a "Compatible with D&D" logo because they value the D&D name more than the game itself. Ultimately, we're still talking about companies trying to play ball in Wizard's court when there's plenty of other spaces to play.It's like pretending that the only way to publish stuff for 5e is through the DM's Guild, when that's probably the worst way to publish anything. Hell, people are giving away free "Compatible with 5e" logos just so people can slap that on their products without having to give WotC a penny, because yes, that was and will likely always be an option. I don't foresee WotC developing enough clout to rewrite US Copyright law any time soon.
>>92528820Not like this capebros...
>>92544133And you're still dodging the question. What about not fighting back would have been preferable to doing so?
>>92523452Ugh. Fucking finally.All the shit that's been happening in the /toy/ world of Hasbro. All the shit in MtG and all the Shit in D&D.I've blamed her for YEARS.Now in MtG at least we'll still have to put up with that fucking "Year 2 cycle", maybe that's true for everything else. But I see a light at the end of this dark fucked up tunnel.Yet another Business dipshit showed up to the RPG world. Tired to capitalized on it, realized they're only fucking it up more, finally understands that it was already making maximum capacity by breathing on it's own. Leaves.This is what the 4th? 5th? time since oD&D this has happened? I'm sure we'll see it again, but it's nice to have a breath.
>>92544885Are you illiterate?Ask your mother to read those posts for you.
>>92544940it's not like her successor is going to be any better
>>92543331>Hell, Fiery Dragon Press alone published more than a dozen 4e compatible books.Irrelevant when other third party publishers did not.>And, don't forget there were clone RPGs like Strike!Came out after 4E.>The reason 3rd parties didn't like 4e was simply because most didn't like 4e.No, from their own words it was because of the GSL.
>>92523452>>92523465>Q1 finances get released on the 24th of April>She goes away the 26thShe's used as a scapegoat, given the last real money-making part of Hasbro is gone. In reality, Cocks knows its over and is just empying the treasury before it's done. Williams gets a nice bonus too, and she knows it, which is why she plays along.> Larian studios left the building because they can't get any resources from WoTC because everyone got fired> D&D down 30% over the last year.This is on top of all the other issues Hasbro is facing:> Retailers are refusing to buy Hasbro products en masse because none of it is selling.> Transformers, GI Joe, Horses, Pets, etc etc are not selling. The popularity of those brands is nothing compared to 10 years ago.> Board games are not selling> FurReal Friends are not sellingThe investors have no clue about this since 90% of stock is owned by retirement funds, and for those Retirement funds Hasbro only accounts for less than <0.1% of their portfolios. But I think the sector is starting to notice.
>>92545316You’re ranting and railing that people were mobilized to act on behalf of other people whose interests they had no reason to care about. I haven’t disagreed with that, but you’ve consistently failed to articulate why that’s actually a problem.
>>92548541>Irrelevant when other third party publishers did not.Except other third parties did.Mongoose, Goodman, Skirmisher Publishing, SlyFlourish, EN Publishing,Dias Ex Machina Games, Sage of Sorcery Productions, just to name a few, and dozens more produced 4e material.>Came out after 4E.I would be impressed if any 4e copies came out before 4e.>No, from their own words it was because of the GSL.It simply was that 4e didn't provide enough of a financial incentive for them to overcome their dislike of the GSL. If 4e was as popular/dominating as 3rd Edition was, they would gladly have re-evaluated their distaste for the GSL and published material for it like the dozens of other companies did.
>>92549507You seem to not have actually read the posts. I think I understand the problem, coming from how you'd only quote the first post.>>92544133>>92544147>>92544157These are not replies to each other, they're all essentially one long post separated into three on account of the 2000 character limit. Hopefully that clears things up.
>>92549596>It simply was that 4e didn't provide enough of a financial incentive for them to overcome their dislike of the GSL.If that was the case, 3E with the GSL would do even worse. 4E outperformed 3E.
>>92549661>4E outperformed 3E.Yes and no. 4e INITIALLY outsold 3e, up until they reissued 3.5 books a few years later.Also, if you combine 3.0, 3.5, 3.5-post-4e, and Pathfinder numbers, it's not even close, with both Pathfinder and 3rd edition alone managing to outsell 4e.
>>92542510>Without the OGL, Pathfinder would have still existed, and if WotC tried to sue them, Paizo would have gone bankrupt from legal feesFTFY
>>92544133Too bad you're retarded and everything you've written in this thread is wrong.
>>92549706Pathfinder did not perform even close to well enough to close that gap combined with 3.5.
>>92549661>>92549706>>92549904We actually don't know. Neither Paizo nor WotC has ever released numbers, and the 3rd party industry trackers like ICv2 were only able to obtain partial information. According to ICv2, 4e won some months, Pathfinder won others, with 4e leading in the early years and lacking in the later, and both companies just acted like they were outselling each other without ever directly calling each other out and releasing their sales figures.The community was nearly a 50/50 split though, which is part of why the edition war got so heated.
>>92550100>The community was nearly a 50/50 split though,Was it?Maybe when 4e first dropped, but after a year or two it felt like a majority had returned to 3.5 or moved on to Pathfinder.
>>92549821If WotC wanted to sue Paizo, they would have sued Paizo, OGL or not. They would have done it just like they sued White Wolf and Troll Lords Games and many other companies, despite the OGL existing.The reason WotC didn't sue was probably because Paizo had already had a pretty good relationship with WotC for many years, with its CEO Lisa Stevens being an old college friend of Jonathan Tweet and also an ex-WotC employee herself, and Paizo having been chartered by WotC to publish the Dragon and Dungeon magazines. Paizo knew the rules and played by them, and in an OGL-less parallel timeline Paizo likely would have still made Pathfinder, though with just more rephrasing.
>>92550198Why would someone search for 4E specifically when 4E is the current edition? You'd just search D&D.
>>92550198In the long run, the Paizo drones were ultimately totally vindicated, and the 4rries got fucking humiliated for it. They got ground so utterly into powder that you don't even SEE people trying to argue the game from their cuck perspectives anymore, which I assume means that it was always astroturfed.
>>92550708Funny way to say PF1 was abandoned due to a business model that doesn't function long term and 4E was killed due to mismanagement and office politics.
>>92532653What the fuck are you talking about you retard. The average person that the CEO is meant to "distract" according to your presumption, can't name a CEO other than 3-4 household names of big tech, much less know when a company replaces one.
>>92523556I worked over every hole in her ripe MILF body ama
>>92530801/toy/ here.Current year Transformers are pretty good. But Hasbro ruined MTG like over 20 fucking years ago, the last good block was Urza's Saga.4e was also the best D&D edition.
>>92549629And the fact remains that none of those posts actually present a downside—and, in fact, they themselves contain misinformation! WotC didn’t release a “revised” version of the changes to the OGL—they talked about it, sure, pitched a draft…and then walked that back, too. Instead, they reaffirmed the existing text of the OGL, committed to no changes, and released the 5E SRD into Creative Commons. Whether or not that’s legally significant, it’s a far cry from just doing what they wanted to do.And it does matter. Not on a legal level, yes, that’s never been up for debate. But because, as you noted, they tried to pull the “anti-hate” card as a reason that these changes were necessary, and the customers DIDN’T accept that. They forced them to back all the way down, denying them that distraction. WotC didn’t get anything that they wanted out of that. Other games got more traction, and a large number of people were actually convinced to try not playing D&D. And a wide variety of different games getting traction is better for the industry overall.You seem to be laboring under the misassumption that the alternative to people getting riled up about this was them somehow shaking off their ignorance and shackles. It wasn’t. The alternative was complacency, pure and simple. And stagnation, more than anything else, is death. Were people fighting on behalf of causes that didn’t really need them? Sure. Were the primary beneficiaries of the debacle several steps removed from the average player? Of course. But, even if misguided, that short-lived crusade shook things up. People demanded that WotC stick to its promises—pointless and ephemeral though they might have been—and dented its wallet in protest. A standard of behavior was demanded and, eventually, received. Does it fix any of the major issues with D&D? God, no. But I find it impossible to understand how one could prefer that nothing happen at all.
>>92552145> WotC didn’t release a “revised” versionThey released 1.2 to the public. They ultimately didn't put it into action, but they had it up for review.>They forced them to back all the way down,Why are you still pretending there was some kind of victory, or that the 5E SRD in the CC matters when all the Game Rules, the things that actually matter, can't be put into CC to begin with? You're still playing this game of THE ORIGINAL OGL MATTERS! and patting yourself on the back for portraying WotC as a corporation that listens and cares, and is willing to acknowledge it made a mistake even when the mistake was never actually put into action, and never had any power to begin with. It's illusory from start to finish, top-to-bottom, and the old adage of "any publicity is good publicity" holds true to this day, with people like you "taking a part in the discussion and helping influence the company!" when in reality you're just making sure we all keep hearing about what WotC wants people talking about (their fake license) and not any of the important stuff.It's all a fantastic distraction.>The alternative was complacency, pure and simple.No, the alternative was their lawyers going through it, saying "none of this makes a lick of sense", and nothing changing. 1.1 included things that attempted legal impossibilities, and was laughably naive in the scope of what it pretended it could actually do. Hell, 1.2 was still a clusterfuck bit of nonsense, but it at least showed evidence that a lawyer actually looked at it and said "No, we can't just make shit up like this."And, here you are, STILL trying to pretend we all dodged a bullet, and celebrating your victory over forcing a corporation to not do something that it couldn't even begin to do, in regards to a worthless license that only exists as a PR move. Congrats, I guess, on letting the world know that WotC's PR move is still around. Congrats on letting everyone know you're a big part of WotC's PR move.
>>92528820>>92523858Yes, Transformers is and has generally been a better seller than the Big 2 in the last decade. Compared to manga? Still peanuts. It's just so sad.
>>92549275The hilarious part is that the company can collapse in 2 MORE WEEKS. God knows how much money they still got on the bank, once they run out of it is over.Screencap this: they're going to try to get rid of the brands that are costing them money, because by selling it they can give bonuses to the execs and pat themselves on the back from lowering overhead costs. This would extend the lifetime of the company, meaning more bonuses still, so Cocks would do it in a heartbeat.> /toy/ will have a spergout when they sell GI Joe and LPS> containment board will have a spergout when they sell the horsesHilariously though, those board should accept this, it's the only chance for these brands have to get good.
>>92554174but that is mostly just due to issues inherent in how American comic market, it's unsurprising that no one wants to buy a 20-page book that can be read in under five minutes for $4.99.
>>92558183who is going to buy WOTC from Hasbro?
>>92561556My 2 cents:Probably will go independent once Hasbroke dies. Transformers/BeyBlade goes 100% to Takara Tomy. Board games divided between Goliath and 999games. Furbies/FurReal friends, GI Joe, containmentboardhorses, pets and others go to the highest bidder.
>>92563156Avalon Hill could end up going to GW since they have a deal right now to republish Talisman and some other old non-Warhammer GW board games
>>92564148>avalon hill to GWOnly thing worse than Hasbro buying them, you fucking nonces and your casualized crap ruined gaming forever
>>92563156100%. WotC is the only profitable part of Hasbro at the moment anyways, so them going independent is a no brainer. Though that does assume that hasbro going belly up isn't CAUSED by WotC becoming unprofitable as well
>>92523452>thoughts Corporate rot is rarely ever one person and even the most intelligent, passionate, and uncorrupted CEO who actually understands their customers can't do anything to course correct when you're dealing with an organization filled from top to bottom with idiots that either have no clue what they're doing or are intentionally shitting things up for whatever reason.At this point if you wanted to course correct and save wotc the entirety of wotc AND hasbro would have to go from top to bottom, their positions filled by top talent, all of whom totally ignore the hedgefuck shareholders and what they demand done with the product.How likely do you think that is?
>>92567445>all of whom totally ignore the hedgefuck shareholdersThis Supreme Court has said that's illegal in the famous case where Ford wanted to redistribute the amazing wealth of his company into Employee salaries so they could all afford to buy his cars and live lavishly, that he was ousted from the company because that was seen as "not taking care of his shareholders"To court case that followed said shareholders are top priority.
>>92565915companies still make those type of chit wargames anon they are just very niche these days in comparison to skirmish games with models
>>92561556>>92563156>>92564148>>92565915>>92567275WoTC is now losing money because of the retardations of Cocks & Williams. The reason Williams resigned was because Cocks is still LARPing towards the toy sector and the investors that he is ''reforming the company''. I think the retailers and Larian Studios have figured out that Hasbro is cooked, but the toy sector itself and the investors won't get it. That would need them to have insider knowledge or read between the lines, and those people don't have the time for that. Not if Hasbroke only accounts for less than 1% of their portfolio. Besides, the toy sector is full of gullible idiots that can't phantom the world changing. /toy/ talked about that in detailHasbroke and WoTC are going to go bankrupt. There's no doubt about that. If that wasn't Cock's intention - burning the company and running away with big bags of cash - he wouldn't have fired half the staff actually making shit right before Christmas, and then give yourselves big bonusses. Or cause your retail staple to decline even further over the past 3 months as /toy/ and /horsecontainment/ reported.
>>92568974when will people start shorting the stock?
>>92568974Bankruptcy is a thing of the past. Instead they'll just find someone bigger to gobble them up so they can fail more slowly.
>>92567770The "law" is only applied when it is damaging to White Americans. Raising their standard of living? Illegal. Fire-selling a multibillion dollar company to serve the political interests of Israeli hedgefunds? Powerful, brave and stunning.
>>92569592Already happeninghttps://www.investopedia.com/hasbro-stock-falls-as-sales-sink-and-the-toy-maker-warns-of-more-declines-ahead-8576660https://seekingalpha.com/article/4658746-hasbro-excess-debt-leaves-shares-unattractive
>>92552491>And, here you are, STILL trying to pretend we all dodged a bullet, and celebrating your victory over forcing a corporation to not do something that it couldn't even begin to do, in regards to a worthless license that only exists as a PR move. Congrats, I guess, on letting the world know that WotC's PR move is still around. Congrats on letting everyone know you're a big part of WotC's PR move.Most of the people I saw celebrating were ironic D&D shills and youtubers whose entire careers are hinged upon whether or not D&D maintains enough natural popularity and relevance to keep them from having to change topics or learn another fucking system.That said, the OGL issue was absolutely blown out of proportion. The amount of people who would actually be affected by it was extremely minimal, but it was still a wholly scummy thing to do. It demonstrated a level of unchecked greed and ego on WotC's part, but also displayed just how fucking retarded they've become as a company. Someone inside WotC with the authority to make those moves believed that they had the ability to actually win any case where they would enforce a license that serves no purpose and holds no power. People were right to be mad, but they believed the issue was defending the OGL, instead of spitting in WotC's face for thinking the OGL ever held power over anyone.
>>92574535 1/2>Most of the people I saw celebrating were ironic D&D shills and youtubersAnd, you're worst than both, because you hate the system but are still giving it free publicity and attention. At least the shills are acting in their own interests, as opposed to you who's doing it in theirs.>was still a wholly scummy thing to doExcept they didn't do it, and more importantly, they couldn't. We're talking about a plan that was prematurely leaked, not put into action or even (allegedly) intentionally publicized, that was so fucking dumb that many lawyers, when consulted about it by journalists who should understand copyright law considering their profession but don't because they're reporting on D&D and that indicates they weren't exactly the top of their class, mostly just chirped in to say "That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.""People" had no right to be upset, because a corporation pushing how much money it can make is basically fulfilling its fiduciary responsibility to its share holders. Welcome to capitalism. Corpos gonna corp, up until the law stops them. The only people who really had a reason to be mad were the people who published on Wizard's platforms, who could actually get fucked if WotC went ahead and exercised the proposed changes in a space they could actually impose and enforce those changes. Everyone else was just getting mad because they were being told they needed to get mad, fueled entirely by ignorance because all of this hinges on a simple, though admittedly somewhat counter-intuitive bit of law.In this era where people get sued over everything, people really struggle to wrap their head around the idea that you can't copyright game rules. And, companies like WotC would want to obfuscate the matter as much as they possibly could, because everyone understanding basic copyright would apparently be the worst thing to ever happen to them.
>>92575882 2/2> It demonstrated a level of unchecked greed and ego on WotC's part,That's a given. Corporation. They've been stuck with D&D despite, contrary to popular belief, it being far from a money making machine. Hasbro bought WotC solely for MtG, which IS a borderline money printing operation, and has spent the last two decades discovering the unpleasant fact that TTRPGs are an incredibly unprofitable business, with most companies going under within one year and even the colossus that is D&D making most of its money via licensing/merchandise rather than book sales. They're in the bad spot of figuring out how to "monetize" a game that people can spend $100 on and play for years without spending another dime, and the game they're comparing it to is the precursor-to-Loot-Boxes MtG where people drop hundreds of dollars every three months. Of course the executives thrown into the D&D dungeon would try to rip up the OGL, in no small part because they spent their time in business school learning nothing rather than learning how copyright works, so of course those idiots would fall for the publicity stunt trick that the old WotC lawyers cooked up more than two decades ago.Getting "mad" at corporations for being greedy is ridiculous. It's like getting mad at parasites or viruses; It's their nature to do what they do.This whole episode wasn't the "community" rising up to stop an evil corporation from enacting its doomsday plan that would destroy imagination forever. It was a corporation exploring an impractical idea, and this getting prematurely leaked, likely by someone with a vested interested in keeping WotC from enacting its tax-on-the-rich of people who publish on the Wizards-controlled platforms because it might actually have been able to do that, and the internet being misinformed by people acting as those millionaire's person army.
>>92575882I was upset because I figure that if they'd succeeded, all the srd sites would be taken down, which does negatively effect me. They're so much more convenient than searching a pdf.
>>92575882>>92575893Man, even when you're being agreed with you have to go out of your way to be a massive pretentious, pedantic faggot, huh? You're just really that mad that people got upset with WotC for the things they got caught doing, aren't you?What's your opinion on their "we're never going to use AI" statements in light of getting caught using AI repeatedly and their plans to keep doing so? How do you feel about them firing 2000 employees? What's your opinion on them hiring the fucking Pinkertons to harass some nobody because of a mistake they made?Eat shit, schizo.
I hope Hasbro collapses and WOTC gets bought by someone who gives a fuck about their properties outside of monetization.
>>925766255etools breaks both the OGL and copyright law, but it's still up. Hell, it's got good ol' EXPLICITELY FORBIDDEN BY THE OGL Mind Flayers stats. In fact, there's a lot of websites that contain protected material, including material for editions prior to the OGL, but it seems like the current policy is to turn a blind eye to them in a similar way to how many video game companies ignore ROM sites despite having the full legal weight to bring them down. As long as the website isn't making money, and contains some sort of "this is for people who already own a copy of whatever they download/access", it looks like most companies tend to ignore them and treat them as fan projects, even though neither point actually provides any actual legal protection.5etools has a "5etools is intended as an easily-accessible digital reference for products you already own. Please ensure you only access content in accordance with your local laws" disclaimer, but that's kind of on the same level as the people who put "I do not own this video and it is intended for educational purposes" in the description of their unedited upload of some movie on youtube. It's just nonsense that looks like it has some legal purpose but is entirely worthless.All in all, whether or not WotC "succeeded" in their impossible quest, the question of 3rd party sites would still be up in the air, because they tend to just do the ol' trick of having their servers based in a country where all the red tape involved in sueing them is too much of a headache and the website may ultimately be helping build the community so it would work against them to send a CaD.
>>92576654> you have to go out of your way to be a massive pretentious, pedantic faggot,If you can't stand being insulted, don't do things that warrant insults, you loser.You're always looking for reasons to be mad at a corporation, to the point where you're willing to both spread misinformation and generally just be a little puppet who can be easily manipulated.Be better than that.I'm pretty sure I've made it clear I hold no love for any corporation. But, I don't hate them, because hate is one of those emotions that can cloud judgement, and leads to things like allowing yourself to become a pawn by people who sucked at the teat of that corporation but now want to use your hate for it to protect their lucrative exploitation.You'd gladly join some loser's personal army if it means fighting against your eternal enemy, a corporation that makes games, and that's pretty fucking sad.
>>92576938>>92576870>>92576654>>92575893>>92575882>>92574535It's all kind of redundant whether to love it or hate it. Fact of the matter is, Hasbroke is dead in the water. You can't run a functional operation if you fired everyone that actually made the bloody products. The only question anyone should be asking, whether you're a MTG or DnD diehard, a /toy/ collector, a horsefucker or a /co/ enthousiast, is ''now what?''
>>92569862>Toys R Us never happend, anon?Hasbroke isn't a retirement fund, a bank or a heavy industry company. Only those get bailed. And shoving congolmerates from fund to fund isn't that popular anymore.
>>92578416>now what?the IP/subsidiary companies will be sold piecemeal presumably, I would guess WOTC would stay together as a single umbrella for MTG/DnD and will be sold off, and certain toy IP will probably go to whatever company is most interested in the IP itself e.g. I could see Disney buying ROM/Micronauts just to have those character be used by Marvel again and could be slotted into the MCU at a later date(if it even matters in five years)
>>92578416This. There's no fucking way Hasbro is going to rebound again.
>>92576938You resort to insults and wishing violent death on anons every time anyone dares to question your schizo ramblings, and you do it with all the righteous indignation of an unpaid paypig shill. You misunderstood the outrage and you selectively interpreted the situation, and now you're pretending like you're just some impartial observer who is just mildly frustrated, and not someone eternally assblasted that people have a legitimate issues with WotC and 5e. Fucking hilarious to see you, of all people, talking about emotions clouding judgement after you've wasted years of your life spastically defending 5e because it makes you so assblasted to see anyone say "have you tried not playing DND?"
>>92579812>You resort to insults Resort? The first thing I do when I see a dumbass is call him a dumbass, you dumbass.Now, quit being a dumbass.Fucking dumbass.
>>92580417Yes yes, you're so rational and calm about these arguments you choose to get into at least once a week. That's why you're sputtering like a pre-schooler who just learned his first swear.
>>92578518with today's announcement about Embracer Group splitting up, I think Asmodee will probably go under first but Hasbro probably isn't that far behind
>>92578518That was 7 years ago and Toys R Us was a brick and mortar chain that was getting slaughtered by Amazon while having nothing unique of value to offer. Hasbro is an entertainment company that owns the rights to numerous lucrative IPs, putting it alongside Hollywood studios and video game companies more than any sort of lesser corporate nobody. Which means they don't go bankrupt. They get bought out.
>>92580695>Get so broken that all you can do is complain that you're being insultedMight be a good idea to leave this website and stop posting forever. Stick with Reddit, where you won't have to face insurmountable arguments or words that might hurt your feewings.
>he keeps coming backLollmao even.
>>92567770No it wasn't. The lawsuit was because Ford was intentionally tanking the value of his stock price specifically because shareholders were using their dividends to establish a rival car company. The verdict states that companies cannot intentionally devalue their stock.
>>92523791The monopoly GO micro transaction mobile game was their biggest success.
>>92529991She was delusional. The only money being left on the table was from games like BG3 which weren't coming out frequently. They were getting as much as they were going to for the TTRPG.
>>92529994Some of those paperback books were nyt best sellers. Do you have data to back up that claim?
>>92583516>She was delusional.I don't think she was, I think she was a huckster. The stock market is a game of lies.
>>92532255DMS guild explicitly disallowed the use of the ogl, anon. And required you to use a different license and no publish anywhere else. Nothing about the OGL changes affected anyone on DMS guild.
>>92561540>4.99$ nice try gramps. comics go for 15 ameribucks now. At least.
>>92583580>disallowed the use of the oglThat's not how the OGL works.
>>92583600not for 22 page floppies anon
>>92544157"On wizards platforms"DMs guild did not and does not allow you to use the OGL. So which platforms do you mean?
>>92549596Some of the people who refused to use the GSL actually put out 4e compatible material under the OGL.
>>92552491"Listens and cares"They listen to their bottom line and care when thy rapidly lose money.
>>92583853Right, the important part is the part where all those people canceled their D&D Insider subscriptions. Which, to be fair, probably wouldn't have happened if Insider had been good.
>>92567445Does anyone want to save Hasbro? I just want Forgotten Realms to get sold off to someone less retarded. Doubt it will happen, but that's the ideal scenario.
>>92567770And this is why publicly traded corporations should not be allowed to exist.
>>92583902No form of corporation should exist, it's an artificial barrier between ownership and culpability, all pfizer shareholders should he hanged for crimes against humanity.
>>92543144NTA but an actual lawyer explained all of this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZQJQYqhAgYWhat other anon said is pretty much true and the whole OGL thing was mostly a nothingburger. I'll take the word of an expert over nerds hyperventilating online.
>>92583787That's literally not how it works. Oh my god that's not how it works at all.
>>92583613Wait... You think the OGL lets you get around the terms of other licences you've agreed to? Just what part of it gives you the right to disregard other licences?
>>92584175Not how what works? It happened. There were people who just never used the GSL and published shit compatible with 4th using only text from the 3.5 SRD, to avoid touching the GSL. To my knowledge Hasbro didn't put them out of business over it, though Hasbro certainly wouldn't have wanted them to do that.
>>92584372>compatible with 4th using only text from the 3.5 SRDThat's called system agnostic at that point.>>92584278The original OGL doesn't provide anything except a "Compatible with d20 system" sticker you can slap on your book. The new OGL doesn't even provide that. The DM's guild has it owns license that allows people to publish on it and to use various material including art/graphic elements, and in no way "disallows" the OGL because the OGL doesn't do anything to begin with. They even have a helpful chart that explains what "opportunities" you have with either license, and look! The first slot lets some idiot choose to slap both licenses on their content if they so wanted, the poor dumb sap.God, this chart is such a fucking mess and lie, holy shit."I want my content considered for inclusion in Wizards digital games" is a great way of saying "I want to sign away my rights so that Wizards can use my stuff in vidya without paying me anything additional for it."
>>92584700>system agnosticDesigned for use with 4e. I vaguely remember both a monster book and some adventures that came out that way. I think maybe by Goodman Games? IIRC they were unwilling to agree to the GSL because it would have required them to drop C&C.
>>92584700>DMs Guild has its own licensing terms instead of using the OGL.>OGL doesn't do anything.Ostensibly it gives you permission to directly copy paste passages without rewording. But yes, it offers you very little you couldn't already do.
>>92584873The first green text was supposed to say "yes, exactly." Underneath. I accidentally deleted it it seems.
