Why new GW miniatures look so bad?I just can’t collect something past 6th edition of WHFB, I hate the nuGW style.
Its the sanitized digital scupting stylePeople refuse to acknowledge the fact that the imperfections that come with traditional sculpting is what gives minis that characteristic SOVL that seems to be lacking nowadays
>>92547062I found this article interesting.https://medium.com/@eric.seri/the-essence-of-warhammer-fantasy-30bcda063f92It’s just not the technical changes, also the conceptual ones that made Warhammer cool.
To me the peak is Middlehammer. Perfect balance.
>>92547045>Cute potatoes with beardsNards gonna nard
>>92547099A neutral but purposeful stance or gait is a lot more versatile and expressive than the shitty dynamic poses that GW does now. A model being frozen mid-leap looks fun on a display shelf, but it's just silly when you're moving it around on the board on a unit of 20 other guys also frozen in some shitty dynamic pose, several of which will also happen to be exact copies of each other.
>>92547137Imagine liking nuHammer.
>>92547154these ALSO look like garbage, warhammer dwarves were always ugly.
Hard agreed lads.Nearly everything from about 7th edition WHFB and 5th edition 40k onwards is just... a bit too much.Coincidentally that's about when CAD design took over too.Space Marine flyers and Centurions, all the stupid big monsters for the End Times that were made with AoS in mind.I go to wargame shows, and a rummage through a box of old metals is like heaven. Seeing badly undercoated Primaris and other nu plastics doesn't even raise my pulse.Not to say I don't own some nuGW bits. Not loads but stuff like the Warhammer Underworlds warbands are quite cute, and the Nighthaunt I got cheap (I've just realised, do I like them because they actually do have quite a stripped-back approach like older models do??)>>92547154>>92547045What really irks me with the Old World is the schizo release of anything vaguely nostalgic, rather than making cohesive looking armies.Like Dwarfs will have the fucking Gyrobomber piece of shit, flanked by these guys from the 80s.Feels like they're just pumping on a whim.Like Bretonnians, the new plastic Foot Knights look ridiculous compared to the simpler old plastic mounted Knights. Haven't really seen any out in the wild yet.
>>92547099Weapons are oversized, which is fine for a tabletop game as they are supposed to be easily readable from a distance. The armour looks functional like a combination of mail and crude brigandine. 10/10 pure kino would gladly play against.
>>92547185I think that's what he's saying anon, the later Dwarfs were nowhere near as soulful. Look at this mess.This isn't directed at you, but I see it every time when people get defensive about AoS or Primaris Marines, it goes like this>Grog: AoS looks like a collection of He-Man toys being moved around the table>AoS fan: uhhhh well WHFB had *this* [posts late-WHFB sloppa]>Grog: I don't like Primaris they just look silly/bland/etc>Primaris fan: posts a picture of a late-Firstborn unit like a flyer, Centurions, to show that Marines have always been sillyWhen in reality most grogs also despair over those late 00s releases too.
>>92547207>>Grog: AoS looks like a collection of He-Man toys being moved around the tableThat's why they're based
>>92547045I always think you guys are full of shit and the new models look great. Until someone posts a side by side and I get blown the fuck out.
>>92547282You will never be a woman.
>>92547045why slav not English good?
>>92547310Because anglo = skaven (jews)
Guys, listen up, bear with me... old = good, new = bad. What do you think? Will you all be my friend now? Please tell me I fit in.
>>92547359Why are slavs so obsessed over anglosaxons, a people who have not been a thing in a millenia?
>>92547367No, it's soul = good, soulless = bad. You're not our friend.
>>92547367Kill yourself immediately in the most painful way you can possibly think of
>>92547380I’m not slav, zionist. Not even close.
I really like the ironbreakersI hope I can get some recasts of these guys
>>92547380Learn to use a hyphen you mouthbreathing ape.
>>92547438>>92547477Are the anglosaxi in the room right now?
>>92547484>anglosaxiYou're doing this on purpose, aren't you
Reject modernity, embrace tradition.
>>92547779I'm not even that into Warhammer but this was peak troll design right here
Warhammer minis don't really feel like game pieces any more. They feel like static action figures that have been left in the last pose they were in. They're generally better suited to those joytoy's now. cad and a lack of ranking requirements mean everyone's pivoting and twisting. Look at every time they release a squad of spearman in aos and literally every model is holding the spear in different position. These guys don't look like they're a squad.I think miniatures work best when they don't leave their base much. They should look solid.
>>92547779I will when GW finally put the FUCKING THINGS UP FOR MTO IT'S BEEN OVER 3 WEEKS FUCK
>>92547798Life was good.
>>92547860Come back home.
>>92547875Inshallah, this weekend will be the one.
>>92547515That's what you call them, righto?
>>92547875It’s been 4 weeks now. Ffs they said they would be up shortly.
I can't even tell what this is
>>92547270If you want that, why not play Masters of the Universe?
>>92548033>Those birds at the bottom>Whole figure balancing on the tailsYou can tell this person is obsessed with digital sculpting
>>92548065>if you like X how it is, why not play Y instead? Then they can change it back to Z for me.True thinking happening on this website
>>92548136You literally admitted that want a collection of He-Man toys on your shelf, you could as wall go for originals
>>92548155NTA, btw. I'm not some American moron so I've never watched TV slop such as Hymen.
>>92548189That's because your family couldn't afford a tv, Dina.
>>92548033Dog shit, anon. It's dog shit.
>>92548211I think you should take your dog to a vet, anon
>>92548033https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkHCaH-rt5M
is this the grog circle jerk thread now?
>>92548236Yes, go away.
>>92548236>now
Do we really need to have this exact same thread every fucking week?
>>92548356Yes, people need to be reminded
>>92548374Nostalgia isnt Nostalgia anymore if you need to remind yourself every waking minute, and need validity from others.
>>92548356>>92548236>waaah talk about [new product]Die
>>92548389Its not nostalgia, it's factual.
>>92547045nah, AoS is better
>>92548428>OLD BAD PRODUCT GOOD>NEW PRODUCT BAD Nigga no one was even bringing up new stuff in a positive light, and here you are conjuring something that wasn't even there.
>>92548463Why else would you be rattled about people saying old = good lmao, you can just ignore it
>>92548459Better at being thrown into trash that is. Unlike pewter, plastic can be burned in garbage disposal.
>>92547300Why the fuck is everyone pretending the new model is an upgrade?
>>92548572Because bigger = better
>>92548487Im not rattled, just annoyed. The only good stuff you guys posted is the bretonnian models, but beyond that you guys are just cumming and shitting over the most awful models that have had the misfortune of being seen in the ip. Hell if you guys were having an actual discussion over design philosophy why you think the old stuff was good I can respect it, but this thread has been nothing but pure window shopping. >>92548572the old ones alright, his posing looks like hes in the middle of taking a shit though.
>>92548707>but beyond that you guys are just cumming and shitting over the most awful models that have had the misfortune of being seen in the ipSoulless golem
>>92548707>if I ignore the thread, it says whatever I want
>>92548722You actually posted something nice, I guess ill leave the thread to its tribalism. have a nice goon session everyone!
>>92547086These might be my favorite models GW have ever done
>>92547882Reminder that this mini was sculpted by a person who just lost his dominant hand, while in the hospital
>>92548487Because you say it over and over and over and over and over again. I'm sick of it. We all you know you faggots like the old models, you've said a gorillion times. Shut the fuck up already.
>>92550312He obviously didn't sculpt it while in hospital, but it is by all accounts the first thing he sculpted after the accident, and relatively soon given the extent of what happened
>>92550386t.>>92548505
>>92550312>>92550407The whole story seems to be a conflation that's just been repeated so often that even people involved have assumed it must be true. The Green Knight was the *last* model sculpted prior to the close call with a canon, with that other fancy Bretonnian character, Repanse de Lyonesse, being the first mini he sculpted after words, which he started around Dec 1996 (which must have been around 4 months after losing the hand, just presuming the Crecy re-enactment was in August '96 to commemorate the 650th anniversary of the battle)
>>92547779the new stone trolls are pretty good though
>>92550386>Because you say it over and over and over and over and over again.You're on 4chan, on /tg/ at that.Exactly how much new, fresh subject matter are you expecting? It's not 2007 anon.
>>92548102>You can tell this person is obsessed with digital sculptingThe fucking irony of this statement.
>>92547062Has the hiring pool and process that GW relies on changed? Do millennial sculptors lack experience? Creative freedom?
>>92547045Plenty of new models are good. Plenty of old ones are terrible. Middle is generally the worst of the worst.
>>92547045I like the new Clanrats
>>92552107They're pretty cool individually. Not sure how they'll rank up though
>>92547477>minor grammatical mistake>OH I GOT EM NOW HEH HEH HEHFucking retard
>>92548455Art is subjective retard
>>92548033Mein gott what a fucking eyesoreIt's one of those things you can't even fix with a different paint scheme, you're caught between absolute visual noise and nonsense or having huge swathes of the model being undifferentiated
>>92552111>rank up>in AoSAnon, I...
It's actually just the paintjob and the photography.
>>92554879That anon clears is looking to use them in TOW.
>>92548155NTA but there's value in an original take on a culturally embedded vibe/aesthetic. If you're younger than gen x, you've probably been immersed in He-man references and homages throughout your life without ever having actually watched the cartoon. A modern setting in the same style captures that familiarity without making you feel like you're missing out if you're only ambiently familiar with the original. Star Wars is essentially this but for Flash Gorden.
>>92547045The modern stuff is 3-d printed magic cards. Overly huge elaborate for the sake of the upsale. What happened to the simplicity of toy soldiers?
>>92550522This. It's completely crazy to think he sculpted the Green Knight (perhaps his best model of all time) immediately after the accident - Repanse however, while a lovely model, looks exactly like what you would expect from a master relearning to sculpt after losing his dominant hand. It's a good story, bit completely untrue.
>>92547380it's because Putler propaganda tells them the west is Anglo-saxons attacking them
>>92547380Russia are using "Anglo-saxon"in their propagandaI think its because in the USA they have misconception about the term and think its synonymous with "White supremacy" so by using this term they are trying to radicalise brown people in the USA into thinking the USA is white supremacist.Its very sneaky Slav propaganda
>>92547062It's more so that a really bad hand sculpted mini still has charm while a really bad digital sculpt is usually just stiff and boring. There's a lot of abysmal hand sculpted models, but they still radiate a certain x factor.A good 3d design usually btfos a good hand sculpt though, at least at 28mm.
>>92552107So how long before the Skaven suffer the same fate as the Beasts of Chaos and are squatted from one of the games? I presume it's gonna be at least a couple years, after the new line has squeezed enough money out of their piggies
>>92547045Yeah because that fucking blob looks so much better.
>>92558053not enough pointless detail making painting basic infantry 10x longer
>>92548033I can't believe people think that looks better than >>92548216 calling the latter 'generic'
>>92558053>tactical rockNice touch
>>92547099if you cunts keep posting this cunt I'm going to end up buying a goatlad army.I've already got a hanful of the charming wee Nosferatu-loking Ungor.
>>92552107>>92552111They might work okay actually, they don't seem to have ridiculous tails like some of the other smeggy rats and most seem to have one axis where they'd be less than 20mm and definitely less than 25mm wide. I think the bigger issue would be the fact it'll almost certainly be 10+3(regular rats + command alt builds/extras) very distinctive poses that you *might* be able to squeeze one regiment of 20-30 out of with some judicious converting, but will have that horrible "sameness you can't ignore" feel that lots of modern GW minis have at army scale if you get multiple regiments of them. The advantage of the old rank&flank monoposes was they let the eye blender them together into a whole unit easily, while numodels stand out enough to catch the eye as individuals and so draw attention to their repetition.Still they're nice minis and you can never have enough ratmen for Mordheim.
>>92558728Take the Mordheimpill anon, with fanrules you can run campaigns anywhere on Planet Warhams with almost every faction and it's much easier to indulge the urge for cool new stuff when you only have to make 12-20 models.
>>92547099I mean the plastic version is basically just better.
>>92560324No way. The original had a forward looking stance with his chest out and his hair blowing back. He's got an aura. The new is just yet another "axe in air" pose.
>>92560324I feel sorry for you if you honestly think that.
>>92560742>auraLet me guess, you give your models a crystal bath before a game to cleanse the negative vibes off of them if Mercury is in Uranus?
>>92547045>Why new GW miniatures look so badWhy is your English so bad?
>>92560795Don't you?
>>92552107I like them but I worry its another monopose kit. I recently got a pack of GW skelies thinking hey fuck it they look alright and oldworld is coming back.. They monoposed the skelies. A few simple changes to this kit was all it would take to be a do as you please kit.
>>92560787The top shelf paintjob on the metal model is tricking you.It's a good model, but the pose makes him blend into whatever unit he leads and the chain texture sucks,.
>>92547901Deathrattle skellies are great
>>92560936Monopose is standard in how GW does things now. I get why they do it, monopose models generally look better in isolation, but if you're a hobbyist and not just a collector it's a serious annoyance. Only models that get spared really are space marines on account of being designed for easy modularity.
>>92547901These look like such shit compared to the later ones. Skeletons are one subject matter where CAD completely dominates hand sculpting.
>>92547438Every one of those models except the lute guy looks like absolute shit
>>92548033Overdesigned Timmy schlock except even Timmy thinks it's gay
>>92548236Yes, and you're not invited. Kill yourself
>>92551965What are some good new models?
get a 3d printer, stop wasting money on GW shit
>>92564034>good new modelsAoS Stitch model
>>92560984
>>92564284If you like the lumpy old skeletons you're brain is completely burned on grog juice
>>92547045>Why new GW miniatures look so bad?I think you just enjoy the style of handsculpted miniatures. Even CAD can capture that "oldhammer" looking charm, but it has to be done carefully to recapture it.
>>92566712Name one that does that.
>>92557013>A good 3d design usually btfos a good hand sculpt though, at least at 28mm.LmaoDelusionalPost your best 3d sculpt
>>92567038Old School Miniatures if I recall correctly their miniatures are CAD designed but they do a good enough job mimicking the oldhammer look that it doesn't matter.
>>92547099Middlehammer is literally the worst sculpt era, the beastmen this thing replaced where way betterThey replaced perry brettonians and jes Goodwin helfs for utter shit, won't even talk about the destruction of orcs with the abortions nelson made
>>92560984Lmao the new skeletons are shit tho
>>92548033How shit this is. What a downgrade.
>>92560324Anyone tried him on proper square?
>>92567038Monstrous encounters have very charming models that look old school, but are sculpted with computers. Duncan shadow and highlands miniatures as well.
Anons....A EU site where I can buy OOP stuff?Now that the UK left I am fucked if I try to buy from it
>>92568225Facebook
>>92556430braindead nigger that knows nothing about anything
>>92568225I buy recasts. Cheaper and in pewter which I honestly really like. I mostly buy from a German guy so you should be able to find someone if you’re no longer in the uk. I have no idea how gw have so much of their TOW range sold out when it’s so overpriced and there are other people out there undercutting them for the same shit.
>>92548489no, better in terms of models, rules, lore and sales.
>>92547045From soulful hand-sculpted to soulless CAD.
>>92568325Any hints? I've got a based chad in Mexico who does mine. But the range is limited.
>>92567066It's objectively the case, and I say that as someone who buys a lot from knightmare and other small stores who sell a ton of handsculpts because I find them charming. No one who was being honest about objective artistic technical merits and not just blinded by their personal taste would ever think otherwise, it's so obvious. Through the wonders of 3d sculpting you get such things as >hands and feet that actually look like hands and feet instead of lumpy turds>chain and fur texture that isn't a horrible garble >Guns and weapons that can look good without being the size of a cartoon paddle >Modularity that doesn't result in looking like he man action figuresThere's a reason every fantasy and mecha mini company uses it now.
>>92568273Nice try, Igor.
>>92569564>There's a reason every fantasy and mecha mini company uses it now.And the reason is it's cheap as fuck.
>>92567086>Middlehammer is literally the worst sculpt era, the beastmen this thing replaced where way better>They replaced perry brettonians and jes Goodwin helfs for utter shit, won't even talk about the destruction of orcs with the abortions nelson madeYeah I don't know how people don't realize this. The plastics of that era were awful. Monkey hand elves.
>>92567086>the destruction of orcs with the abortions nelson madeI'm sorry Anon, but I'm afraid you have a case of Shit Taste, and it's terminal.
>>92571644Not talking about the plastics zoomies, as they where mostly metal
>>92572649this is what happens when you have shit sculptors and exactly my pointtheir best mini and a charector is worse than the ancient generic plastic...
>>92547045I just wish they would invest in better machines or more QC if they are going to put on a bunch of tiny bits that come out malformed half the time.Almost every model need some resculpting now.
>>92573839>their best mini and a charectorNazgob?
>>92573877Holy fuck literally every mini he made was shitLmao imagine losing the perry twins for this retard
>>92573930
>>92574054Copethe mini downgrade in middlehammer is what killed whfb and Nelson's entire orc range sold less than a single space marine charector
>>92574232>Nelson's entire orc range sold less than a single space marine charectorYeah, because space marines outsold and outsell literally fucking everything
>>92547045Because you aren't 13 anymore.
>>92574493this. only 13 year olds can like this shitty cartoony aesthetic. these >>92547154 dwarfs look like proper quality and grimdark aesthetic that an adult would appreciate
The current skeletons just look way better.
>>92574529these look good but they don't look SOVLFVLold skelies looked like shit but were PEVK SOVL
>>92574232lol get fucked mate, Nelson designs rule and remain the standard because the piss all over your shitty boil-covered fairy tale critters.
>>92574232>and Nelson's entire orc range sold less than a single space marine charectorThe entire WHFB catalog likely shifted fewer units every year than just the Space Marine Tactical Squad tbqhwyl
>>92573877SOVL
>>92560324No anon, it really isn't
>>92547188>Like Bretonnians, the new plastic Foot Knights look ridiculous compared to the simpler old plastic mounted Knights. Haven't really seen any out in the wild yet.i bought the a bunch of the barons war minis from foundry for that reason. the new footknights are pure bullshit fantasy they're more warcraft then bretonnia.>Like Dwarfs will have the fucking Gyrobomber piece of shit, flanked by these guys from the 80s.nobody uses the dragon company, that said i agree the gyrobombers suck, the new hammerers/longbeards suck.i wanted the old ones I have the old ones,i just want more>>92547438only russians care about anglos.
>>92547045CAD design makes things too symmetrical and smooth and allows them to recycle parts. This overall creates a mild uncanny valley effect some people pick up as "soulless". Also, CAD lets them put way too much detail on regular ass infantry you're going to be painting by the tens or twenties which is a pain in the ass if you're a casual or slower painter - though this is in part because GW views itself as a collectibles company, not a gaming company. This philosophy also becomes apparent in their monster models that clearly were never meant to be moved after being built, a least not without intense cushioning.
>>92547860I just want models with both feet on the ground. Look at any new GW model announcement and without hyperbole, 70-80% of models will be on tactical rocks.
>>92566712This is true. It's a style I wish wasn't so rare in STLs (or at least rare when it comes to being competently done). It does skill to create a sculpt which has the right amount of hard/deep detail and focal points to be visually interesting and easy to paint without going into the overload of visual noise/detail that modern GW models do which makes models ugly and a slog to paint on an army scale or overload of soft/shallow detail that a lot of STLs have because the sculptors was trained for 3D graphics modelling rather than actual miniature sculpting.
>>92575394
>>92575394It is a trapping of CAD models that there must be 'detail' everywhere. You can definitely tell the difference between those who only ever used CAD and those that have backgrounds in traditional sculpting. Avatars of War is a good example of this as their digital stuff leans heavily on their physical sculpting background, and whilst it has plenty of detail it isn't just crammed in there for the sake of it. Instead like with the physical sculpting it aims to have details where it makes sense and adds to the story of the model. AoW specifically though greatly benefited from the move to doing STLs as their physical stuff was cool but for a lot of it their reach exceeded their grasp and it became a nightmare to deal with their multipiece metal models.
>>92567086one could make the case that dwarfs were among the worst hit victims of the shift in design and the initial stages of phasing away from metal.I also agree that O&G suffered just as bad, but I can kind of understand someone preferring the new orcs over the old ones. but dwarfs?? I'd gladly trade away all of my plastics dwarfs (except for my skullpass boys) for half as many in metal.
>>92560984the pure white over pure black of the old ones' paintjob is also really not helping.
>>92574529NoProb some of the worst ever madeDefinition of souless
>>92574581Lol nelson orcs are shit and thankfully have been phased out in both whfb and 40kThe votan to squat change was less of a eye rape than the nelson orcs to old orcs change
>>92576452What do (((you))) think makes them look bad
>>92547099Based, that was when the hand sculpted stuff was at its peak among many MANY other things.
>>92576048Yeah dwarfs took a big hit too, they had real soul back then
>>92576493They are all wearing knee high boots showing their thighs, jagged bits of cloth look shit, standing with their feet more than should width apart doing the splits, shields held in bizarre angles and positions, you can go on Etsy and find a dozen other examples of the same souless slop
>>92552107Pretty average, you thing GW sculpts would be way better at this point, but they are just ordinary
>>92556430I doubt that's the reason, it's prob to make people rally around ethnic lines, anglos are prob the only group more hated than Russians in Europe, and Russia can use the term freely knowing america/UK ect can't retaliate and use a call to rally for their ethnicity
>>92574232dude, this is the strangest fucking take i've ever heard.like pure contrarianism. nelson's orks are great.If i'm not mistaken he did the range refresh of 40k, gorkamorka and fantasy, he's the reason why they are cross compatible.Nazgrob is a fucking great character and while i like some of the old scuplts by and large Nelson's work is the best>perryi don't think it was the perry who did those old orks, i thought it was jes or like kev or something.
>>92576858Wow just wow I've never heard such a thing, lmao faggot>pure contrarianism>if I'm not mistaken>cross compatiblego back troonNelson's orcs sucked, the only thing worse being made around that time was when he was tasked to sculpt a non orc
>>92576926>i am a massive nigger faggot with no argument and I'm screaming because i'm an advanced autistic who hates the very concept of change.>also i have no idea what i'm talking about factually.Cope, sneed and dilate, this is a terminal case of bad taste. get snipped you disgenic retard.
>>92576616Ordinary is excellent for troops.
>>92576985>reddit troon ignores the argument then claims there is no argument and he wonyou will never belong here
>>92577013Nothere's zero excuse for GW to be making such ordinary stuff that is no better than random stuff off etsy
>>92560937That you put this on a round base shows that you are a window licking retard and your opinion is thus discarded
>>92569564>>It's objectively the caseNo it isn't, it can't even be argued as an opinion
>>92552111I'm using the new/aos chaos warrior sculpts as my front rows and the older, easily ranked ones with tucked elbows to fill in the ranks behind, I imagine you could do something similar with these
>>92575827
>>92579854based
>>92576475>phased outOh honey. Oh sweetie. Oh wee lad. How can you be this delusional?
>>92577194>calls other reddit>while expressing the most basic bitch, normienigger, value brand ultrareddit Le Old Good Because, LE NEW BAD opinion ever seen on planet earthGet thee hence, faggoid.
>Yet another extremely sad grog thread to remind us all of our impending dementia Feels bad man
>>92576556God this is just the "knees too pointy, 0/10 would not bang" of model discussion.
>>92577194>ignore the argument.And here we see a low IQ anon insisting he's produced an argument.you haven't.>you will never belong herethank you, but unfortunately i do.
>>92576475>nelson orcs are shit and thankfully have been phased outERE WE GO ERE WE GO WERE WE GONelson sculpted Orruks for AoS too
>>92547394So…forcing myself to play a game with those garbage old fantasy models?
>>92577223Literally everything on etsy is overdesigned shit
>>92575827Hand sculpted really are just awful.
>>92585303>t tastlet
>>92584896Yes, that's the point
>>92580825>Selling fast
>>92580656Take the L mate, that didn't go well
>>92580583>what don't you like?>here multiple things>no rebuttal "knees too pointy" autismSad
>>92580256Look at the new orksthe nelson shit is over, funny thing is cos they are so shit they will disappear, even recasters don't stock his crap but have plenty of the older orcs
>>92548356>>92548236>>92550386Why are you angry?
>>92588512Have you considered that maybe a 5 point per model horde unit SHOULDN'T be covered head to toe in fiddly little details that you can't just drybrush?
>>92588580You're still arguing my point?thanks I guess
>>92588537Anon, Brian Nelson was still involved with the Beast Snaggas. Picrel is confirmed to have been a pure Nelson sculpt'The Nelson shit' is now just the default, and Nelson is still Games Workshop's Greenskin guy
>>92588660Lmao is that shit by Brian Nelson? holy shit no wonder GW has such bad minis coming out>be GW>see picrel>think yeah let's keep this guy around and not fire him immediately >20 years later literally 90% of your minis are trash
>>92588690>and not fire him immediatelyWhy would they fire him? The Deffkopta was killer
>>92588660okay but that model looks sick
>>92588696>The Deffkopta was killerLmaoI've seen better stuff come out of warmachine
>>92581431>>92547367Do you really think >>92548033 looks better than >>92548216
>>92588833More detail and more complex mini = betterSimple as>n-no you dont understand, old minis who are a blob with a couple details are superior!>okay, why?>they have soul!Not an argument
Are people here unironically shitting on Brian Nelson?THE Brian Nelson who sculpted the 1998 Games Day ork Nob?THE Brian Nelson who sculpted the 2000 Games Day black orc boss?THE Brian Nelson who sculpted Grotfang?Fucking kill yourselves right this instant.>Verification not required.
>>92588999>THE Brian Nelsoncringe
>>92589067Show some respect for the man, he's given us some of the best orc sculpt that exist
>>92588999very few sculptors can do what nelson did, he was way ahead of his time, to be able to hand sculpt and produce minis with no soul was groundbreaking, only now with mass produced CAD slop can minis with no soul be produced to rival THE brian nelson
>>92588974Use of ‘empty’ space, proportion, posing and balance are more important than details and complexity. Just adding details and complications to a shit composition makes a detailed and complex piece of shit.
>>92588974t. paintlet
>>92588537Nelson completely reimagined the Ork design and even modern CAD-slop still follows the principles he introduced. This is either the most retarded or most clever bait I have read in a long while. At least have the good taste to compare Nelson's work to Kev Adams - the fact you're complaining GW moved away from the unloved middle-child Perry Orks is a real masterstroke of autism.
>>92588999>people hereNah it's just one incredibly booty-bum-blasted faggot that can't get over the fact that outside of his deranged senile lead-poisoned pals and groglarpers, everyone prefers the superior mid-90's onward greenskin design language to his pseudoDiscworld grinning fairytale shit.
>>92547045Every Age of Sigmar model is better than every Warhammer fantasy model released before the End Times.Prove me wrong.
>>92574529See:>>92591157
>>92588833Yes because they have no taste and pretend otherwise by talking about soul. >>92590011>Use of ‘empty’ space, proportion, posing and balance are more important than details and complexity.I agree. AoS does it better on TOP of having more detail and complexity.
>>92591176>>92591157Golem detected
>>92590161>>92590209>even modern CAD-slop still follows the principleslol wot?so are his orks good or not?>At least have the good taste to compare Nelson's work to Kev Adamshow is that good taste? that doesn't even make any sense>unloved middle-child Perry OrksLol>This is either the most retarded or most clever bait I have read in a long whileanyone that doesn't share your opinion is wrong huh, nice troll>everyone prefers the superior mid-90's onward greenskin designsource: my crack pipe>booty-bum-blasted >faggot>senile lead-poisoned >pseudoDiscworld Settle down reddit
>>92591197That honestly just looks like a 40K model stuck in fantasy.
>>92548572>CUZ IT'Z REALLY BIGGER AND REALLY DETAILED! THAT MEANS IT'S BETTER!
>>92591176>Yes because they have no taste and pretend otherwise by talking about soul. >AoS does it better on TOP of having more detail and complexity.literally blind
>>92547154Imagine liking Warhammer at all
>>92592576That’s the thing nobody likes Warhammer . Have you seen this board? All these faggots do is complain about it and how much they hate it but refuse to stop talking about it
>>92548033This is awful, and why is it missing the Slaanesh head?>>92591398It is a 40k model, the CSM ascended daemon prince.
>>92574529BAHAHAHAHAHA
>>92592658GW was planning on killing off Slaanesh in 40K and AoS, nothing Slaanesh was allowed on any products for a while.
>>92552107They look like the old clanrats, but having random monopose fits. GW I was about to buy like four more boxes of rats you cunts, give them back.
>>92573789>Not talking about the plastics zoomies, as they where mostly metalMiddlehammer is 4-6th edition which had plenty of bad plasticsShow your painted oldhammer models, if you even have any. I bet you don't even have preslottas lmao
>>92591249Oh I get it, you're a schizo.
>>92595450Faggot learn to read I stated specifically the mini being replaced, it wasn't replaced in plastic
>>92560937>It only looks good because it's painted better than what I can do!That's not the argument you think it is...
>>92596751>no argumentConcession accepted
>>92588660Beast snaggas are absolute trash.
>>92593791They're still available from GW and a lot of retailers. There's also a ton on the second hand market because they're so common.
>>92569564>hands and feet that actually look like hands and feet instead of lumpy turdsAt 28mm I don't notice much desu>chain and fur texture that isn't a horrible garbleI prefer abstracted handsculpted chain to the oversized rings>Guns and weapons that can look good without being the size of a cartoon paddleYay for extra fragility.>Modularity that doesn't result in looking like he man action figuresFair maybe. I don't have many handsculpted multiparty kitsY'know the original greenies of old sculpts generally of plastic bits, bobs, and greebles on them. Hand sculpting most of a mini with some cad bits slapped on it could turn out well. I bet people do it too
>>92574509Still looking for the grimdark dwarves in that image. They must be real small
>>92547438The chainmail looks awful.
>>92569564>hands and feet that actually look like hands and feet instead of lumpy turdsNope, more defined than your example>chain and fur texture that isn't a horrible garbleAgain better def and detail than your example>Guns and weapons that can look good without being the size of a cartoon paddleway off again>Modularity that doesn't result in looking like he man action figuresAnd again...It's almost as if you've never seen a good hand sculpt
>>92564166This model REALLY highlights one of the main things I hate about the new models.Look at how flat the surfaces are. Almost all the detail is painted on flat surfaces to make it look like it has detail, but the figure itself is almost all totally flat surfaces.It's only Forge World still making figures with actual details on them.
>>92547146This. Luckily not every nu–GW mini is dynamic. There are still some nice ones in between
>>92547779Troll with rock and blood Axe commandos I need
>>92547045>more details = more better>more pose = more better>sensible proportions = goodThe first two are just GW overshooting the sweet spot, there was a room for improvement from WFB but they went past it and then some.The third is arguably the biggest issue since some common exaggerations shared by different factions go a LONG way to build a cohesive feel for all sculpts within the game.
>>92588524>anti brian faggot is an aussie
>>92567038warp miniatures are pretty good at it imo
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>>92610671>>92548033Amazing that a cheap boardgame piece from decades prior looks better.
>>92610671It really is the best thing about Heroquest. Except for the tiny furniture.And the cards.And the board.And the Quest Book.And the inside of the box.And the screen.And the brodesode.And rolling to move.And ignoring the roll to move rule.And the combat dice.And the Barbarian.And the Dwarf.
I am not knowledgable on the entire sculpting process but judging by the process of sculpting itself and an ancient blogpost i found of one of the FW designers, I feel like that the fact of the technical limitations of the time (Lack of CAD programs and 3d print prototypes), made it so that the visual language of the miniature became more defined. You didn't had the time nor the space to really create a lot of character within a mini without countless sculpting hours being spent which is (except for bigger army piece models like characters) not worth the time and effort, I think And another thing I remember is what my friend once mentioned to me when he saw an AoS monstrosity (I think it was some sort of giant dryad or tree person, I don't remember, it's been years) and that was what he called as "lining" of the sculptI couuld surmise that he meant the flow of the edges which couldn't decide what they wanted to be, rounded out or blocky. I assume this plays a huge part in the design process today, that a lot of visual language gets lost due to the fact that you can now get higher details in, which overload the miniature and overcomplicate a lot of areas, where there really was no need for itGranted, this is just conjecture based on my lackluster knowledge, but I believe the issue just is that with the lining going thinner and details being more easily done, a lot of old design elements, which were a consequence of the time, were lost.
>>92547045>newanon......
>>92551129lmao some people aren't capable of self-awareness
>>92610671lame!
>>92547779It's honestly incredibly silly. The AoS rock trolls are some of the best AoS sculpts in the entire range. It's such a waste of skill and good taste, when the old rock trolls were already some of the best GW models in existence.
>>92548033This is an abomination.>>92610671This is a gargoyle.
