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Snake Horse Edition

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>What is E D H?
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>Previously:
>>92550145

>TQ
Favorite combination of creature types?
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>Ossification
>Disdainful Stroke
>Go for the Throat
>Searing Spear
>Snakeskin Veil
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>>92561954
Did they get permission from anyone involved with Bebop to do this or is it just an 'homage'?
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>>92561928
Is Jace finally getting the snussy after years of amnesia bullshit?
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>>92561954
Genshin Impact collab when?
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>>92562119
The "story" they shat out actually confirmed that Jace has been filling Vraska like a cream donut but apparently they're not biologically compatible despite there apparently being a human/gorgon student on Strixhaven.
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>>92562029
the playmats and everything else is branded with Cowboy Bebop on it
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>>92561872
what card is this?
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>>92562151
Dude you have the set symbol and colours, how can you not find that in seconds?
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>>92562123
stop talking about non-mtg related IPs
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Please help me with my empowered Thalia design.
>Thalia, the broken Heroine
>Creature - Human Pony Mount
>Thalia can't be saddled by creatures with power 8 or less
>Saddle 1
or
>Thalia can't be saddled by creatures with power greater than 1
>Saddle 5
?
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What impact will modern horizons 3 make?
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>>92562261
the first one is perfect when it fits gitrog
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>>92562256
>non-mtg related IPs
Holy cope.
Nothing is non-mtg related anymore.
We could have a Rugrats crossover next year for all that matters.
This game is beyond ass fucked.
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>>92562296
God damn men are sexy
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>>92562296
imagine if this was about a neet girl instead of trannyshit
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Reminder that you can make anything seem viable in Pioneer if you put it with Thoughtseize and Fatal Push.
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>>92562296
that's why I said it like that. I want the ubtourists to ravage this general with "on topic" ""discussion""
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>>92562324
This also applies to legacy with sol lands + chalice + trinisphere
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>>92562323
That's called Wataten. Also, Onimai is the opposite of what genderspecials are; he wakes up one morning and is a perfect little girl, unlike what happens in reality when they attempt it.
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>>92562332
That's the whole point of the stompy package, it enables you to random stuff that's bad on curve but strong if you can get it out early. I don't think pic related would be good in modern for example because you can't consistently play it on turn 1, although I guess there's no Karakas there.
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>>92562261
Bro you know she got eaten by gitrog right?
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>>92561954
How get this.
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>playing against UW player
>they get visibly upset when they're losing
>sure
>sure
>counter that
>sure
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>>92562272
By January 1st, 2025, at least 2 cards from MH3 will be banned in modern. By 2026, at least 10
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>>92562760
How many MH2 cards were banned in the first 6 months in Modern? :)
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>>92562280
Gitrog isn't enough for her anymore. Only Yargle can satisfy her now.
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>>92562857
what a hussy
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>>92562119
The story basically confirmed they've been fucking during the entire time Jace and Vraska were recuperating on Vryn post-invasion. Given the weird mind love scene in the MOM side-story, the implication is that was their 'first time' and Vraska apparently just got hooked. Jace canonically fucks good enough that Liliana kept coming back after all.
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Jace cums in 10 seconds but fucks with his partner's mind so she thinks it was 10 minutes.
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>>92563032
The only true depiction of anything close to Jace fucking was in Vraska's own mind so take from it what you will.
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>>92563057
*gigglesquee*
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>>92563022
Liliana canonically is a pure maiden and is saving her virginity for me thoughever
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Fuck tokeniggers
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>>92562272
we need to see the cards first but given the eldrazi theme, eldrazi decks will likely be popular for a little while just like snow decks were in MH1 and food decks were in MH2
it's important to remember that ACR is coming out less than a month after MH3 so whatever is good post-MH3 might not do as well post-ACR
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>>92563083
Jace and Liliana canonically fuck in Agents of Artifice at least once and are noted to have had a few 'nighttime reunions' post-Gatewatch reforming.
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>>92563092
this should get powercrept
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>>92563101
I'm not sure ACR will have too much of an impact to be honest. I think it's mostly trying to ride on the hype of being a UB set than anything, though I think it could well still flop just for the same reason Aftermath did.
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>>92563107
No more lies
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>>92563113
every UB product (not counting secret lairs because I don't keep up with those) has had at least a few impactful cards, I don't necessarily think ACR will be as strong as MH3 or previous UB sets but it should be expected that it will meaningfully impact the format, it's just a trend by now
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>>92561872
>that fucking card
I'm so glad I don't play this horrible game anymore holy fucking fuck
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>>92563101
wtf why no haste??
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>>92563251
Well it's for Commander, so you're expected to equip it with Lightning Greaves or something to the effect.
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>>92563199
caustic broncussy...
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>>92563199
Bruh it's worse dark confidant what's with the pearl clutching
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>>92563129
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>>92563270
haha wouldnt it be crazy if you ran delve cards so you could make your opponent lose 7 life randomly out of fucking nowhere lmaoooo hahaha
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>>92563289
why would ouy ever play this over evoke elementals, murktide and other bean related spells?
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>>92563311
its all the same shit but they call me clouddead
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>>92563289
Yeah man I'm going to 5-0 my modern league with caustic bronco and fucking Gurmag Angler lmao
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>>92563326
Are you missing the point on purpose? Because I think you're missing the point on purpose.
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Any fun standard decks that don't get horribly fucked by rotation? I looked at wyte control but it's getting fucked after NEO rotates

Any way to make this thing useful?
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>>92563332
Yes, I love playing nothing but Burn, Izzet Phoenix, Grixis Shadow, and Jund
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>>92564271
I would rather play Delver/Shadow/Jund matches all fucking day than play a single Infect/Tron/Storm match. At least the former actually wants to play a game of Magic.
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What color sleeves for the one-land twiddle deck?
I bought the OG core in foil back when the deck first hatched and prices hadn’t exploded. I’ll foil the whole thing out eventually, still need to pick up the blue flip lands.
I figured this was cheaper than buying the fetches and breaches for the current version of the deck, and fitting belcher in on a whim felt awesome.
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>>92564510
This is a modern deck btw, tendrils is just there for my toxic kitchen table friends.
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>>92564510
Visions over Preordain?
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>>92564197
I don't know, but landbases are gonna be pretty fucked by Innistrad and SNC rotating.
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>>92564694
I really should have jwari disruption in there instead. I need to play as many flip lands as I can manage, so no room for non-arcane stuff otherwise
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>>92562129
Supposedly that student uses paradox magic, sounds fitting for someone who shouldn't be able to exist.
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Watching this amulet player on NRG go is pretty fun. Shit's wild that he might pull this out of his ass.
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>>92564974
>>92562129
I mean, you can finagle any number of reasons for something like that existing even if it's not NORMALLY possible. Could also just be Ravnican gorgons are specifically not compatible because they seem to reproduce asexually.
Does Arcavios have gorgons, actually? Or is it just Ravnica, Theros, Dominaria? They're actually a shockingly rare creature type for how prominent Vraska's become.
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>>92564197
it seems like black midrange should be the safest archtype post-rotation, all the good cards are staying
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Who has that collage with all of the insane lines of text?
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>>92564510
You're just a little light on card draw IMO
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Rank formats by how you play and enjoy them. This includes kitchen table or however you play.

Legacy
Pauper
Silly Arena Drafts with friends
EDH (it's the party game they like sometimes :/)
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>>92566315
I’m going off the most recent 1-land twiddle lists which are at least a year old, but recross the paths into lotus field is incredibly strong (harvest as well) as it lets you stack your deck into perfect draws once you get it off.
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Drugs were consumed
Tequila was drank
Mutavault is a Mount
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this card should just be a 2 drop "choose one"
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>>92562261
Bro she's never going to love you.
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>>92562583
All that passive aggressive behavior and lingo is one of the main reasons I'm not playing at any lgs anymore. Can't believe the attitudes people had considering playing at fnm was supposedly the time people were having fun. So many sore losers, so many "sure!", so many people with zero sense of humor. It became a fucking chore to play there.
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>>92564510
Pic related, obviously. Just to confirm you know Tendrils isn't legal in modern, right? Cool art though.
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>Grand Abolisher
>Thalia
>Resplendent Angel
>Archangel of Tithes
>Monastery Mentor
>Not a single one of these reprints affects Standard at all in any way
Just fucking reprint Path to Exile at this point. There is not a single reprint of standard seasons past in the entire catalog of White that could ever even hope to stand a chance against the mountain of value pile bullshit every other color gets including FIRE design. Go ahead name one, just ONE card in white that could answer all the Grixis bullshit dominating Standard for the past 6 fucking years.
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>>92567045
leyline binding
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>>92567058
>domain 5 color nose shit
oh hi mark
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>>92567026
She's too powerful, bros....
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>>92567065
>nooooo you can't play multicolor because... you just can't okay????
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>>92567073
>no you don't get it, being forced to play 5 colors to make an O-ring slightly playable totally isn't a restriction on White at all! It just isn't OKAY??!!
cope harder, nose
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Name me the card
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Went 3-0 at my local pauper event with black drain tonight. Got 2 kills with Sign in Blood and 1 with the new ping land. Damn this deck is kino.
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>>92567270
I'll name it Jeff
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>TQ

Human Soldier.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6333412#paper

5C HUMANS T2 BABY
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>>92566964
>bunch of maladjusted losers with nothing else going on in their lives or achievements to be proud of get pissed when they lose at the one thing they think they're good at

I mean...what did you think LGS games would be like?
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>>92567330
That's a shit name, it clearly gives off big Bob energy.
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is merfolk too powerful for a merfolk token generator?
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>>92562583
well, control players are the whiniest bitches out there.
your experience is universal.
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>>92567396
It's clearly a Jeff you bunghole
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>>92567381
I mean, I'm the biggest loser on the planet, but going there to play was supposed to be fun and an escape. I'd usually go 2-3 or 3-2, but I didn't care about winning or losing at all. I just wanted to have fun playing a game I like for a couple of hours once a week to unwind and escape.
I've only been playing with a group of friends and family since covid and we have a blast every time.
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>>92567270
Homarid (Fallen Empires version D)

My turn
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>>92567583
Idk ice wall?
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good god that's disgusting once you see it in action
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>>92567583
Ding Ding

That ones Sylvan Library Legends printing
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>>92567360
I should have Legacy 5C humans completed within the next week or so but I still need to figure out if I want Lotus Petals or Aether Vials. I think the speed of the former can sometimes be necessary.
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>>92561954
>Bebops your spell
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>>92567696
Next One
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>>92565210
>Black midrange
Doesn't that get horribly raped by rdw
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>>92567716
>old frame
>3R
Is that Boil?
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>>92567784
Try Again, its not an instant.
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>>92563092
this could be like a 1b 3/1 now, really miss this kind of effect
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>>92567804
oh oh oh
I should have known, its Nekrataal but with 2 extra power
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>>92567716
Original printing Flametongue Kavu?
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>>92567818
Sick homie, but no

>>92567821
Nope, but it is a creature.
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>>92567716
Embermage Goblin
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>>92567852
You got it
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>>92567860
My first guess had been this one but I forgot the mana cost
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>>92566964
I literally had someone typing "sure" at me on mtgo whenever I played a card (they were on jeskai creativity). It's really getting out of hand
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>>92567875
That's a tough one, is it Mountain Yeti?
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>>92567913
Yup
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>>92567908
My favourite interaction like this was a guy on Cockatrice named Link who would manually type out 'Hiyaaaa!' or something like that every time he attacked. I say manually - as opposed to a keybind - because there was a delay between him tapping creatures and moving to the blockers or damage step.
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>>92567045
>path to exile

fucking swords dammit
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>>92567682

explain
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>>92567994

Path to Exile would have some good art in Thunder Junction.
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>>92568047
well in my last game for example

I have nothing but 5 lands, synthesizer and ancient cornucupia on board

on my opponents turn I use three steps ahead to counter their spell, +1 synthesizer, +1 karnstruct, +1 life, scry 2 to get 7th land
untap and on my turn, cast coat, +2 karnstruct +1 life, bounce coat, +2 karnstruct.
which leaves me with 5x 9/9 karnstructs, 2x synthesizer, cornucopia, coat and 2x disguised creatures
and I can bounce the coat again the next turn and turn them into 11/11s or larger

its like having multiple urza's sagas every turn, even if they untap and sweep it you just replay it over and over
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>>92568051
really?
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>>92568099

All the modern digital art is so good now.
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>>92568083

wow, you spent all that mana on t7 just to not win and only needed 3 cards to not do it
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>>92568099
honestly a little boring. come have been more stylized
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>>92568099
>>92568130
Not the worst, but probably would have worked better as a full-bore riding off into the sunset
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>>92568122
its an engine that prints lethal power of creatures
every
single
turn

Any copies of three steps ahead print them at instant speed while countering a spell AND drawing a card
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>>92567908
English isn't even the native language where I live and people still go "sure!!" at almost every fucking action you make. Magic lingo just got so fucking grating.
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>>92568140

oh no, i get it, but in competitive formats you'd be dead before you get to 1 karnstruct
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>>92568199
>>92568206
it slots into a hard control deck
the same decks that are already running cryptic coat and three steps ahead anyways, so the only extra card being used is synthesizer

You don't die by the time you get to a karnstruct because you're running no more lies, sunfall, get lost, march, lockdown, etc. Its lategame when even 1 synthesizer on the board means your opponent can't ever attack on the ground or survive a turn without a sweeper
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>>92568199
You're stupid, don't post
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the mtg legacy discord is just legit and unironically all trannies, I went in there trying to find some discussion about current meta decks and I wish I didn't
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>>92568419
Your own fault bro.
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>>92568419
>discord is just legit and unironically all trannies
I don't know what you were expecting
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>>92567045
Armageddon
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https://www.mtggoldfish.com/tournament/pioneer-challenge-64-2024-04-20#paper

SSS won the latest Pioneer Challenge, and has indeed made its way into Heroic as a playset.
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>>92568099
It’s too bad that path is unplayable in everything now, this version is sweet. I generally like all the newspaper cards, I’m probably the only human alive who doesn’t mind that they say “Prosperity Post” at the top
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>>92568695
>That Dimir list
Really the cheat with Valki works enough? Seems shittier than the average control Dimir list.
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>>92568713
How many times do I need to post this image anon?
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>>92568695
and meanwhile in standard you have decks with 4x kumano, swiftspear, scamp, monstrous rage, picnic ruiner, SSS and burn together and a hodgepodge of pump spells
the only thing holding them back from the power level of those pioneer decks is 2 color mana not being as fast and no pump -and- protection effects like blossoming defense to justify going 2+ colors, so they use mirran banesplitter or even felonious rage
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>>92568695
SSS will be banned right? This faggots create this ridiculous creatures and then we have metas ruined for months.
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>>92568856
I believe we're at the point now where awareness of the card's will increase and you'll start to see more and more of it. Expect Gruul to be the best version of the deck because Blossoming Defense is retarded here and Pick Your Poison kills enemy SSS's.
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>>92568899
>and Pick Your Poison kills enemy SSS's.
except it doesn't?
its a sorcery
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>>92568957
If they're running Blossoming Defense, PYP the turn after is a legit play. They can't use all of their mana because they need to hold up protection, so you take your 8 damage then PYP the turn after.

There are also other more kino ways to deal with it.
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>T1 Plot picrel
>T2 Plot SSS
>T3 SSS, Ruckus, Monstrous Rage, swing, Burn Together for lethal while holding up Blossoming Defense
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>>92569002
>T1 leyline scamp
>T2 gaea's might x2
>T3
>T3?
>no t3
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>>92567768
not at all, cut down, virtue of persistence, go for the throat, cruelty of gix, deep-cavern bat are all staying while kumano rotates
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>>92569044
Judge my opponent didn't announce his Leyline T0 and attempted to put it into play T1.
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>>92568856
Nope, SSS was created for arena in mind and since arena prints most moni it will remain untouched
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>>92568992
I'd fucking kill for fog in standard

the one we have costs 3 mana and doesn't even stop damage to planeswalkers
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>>92568992
Fogchads can't stop winning
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>>92569265
For some reason WotC just won't reprint the nice simple version of cards, they have to add a dozen pointless bells and whistles, then make it cost so much that it's unplayable.
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>>92568713
The Valki thing isn't something you should really lean into that hard but it is effective
I don't think Jace Awakened is worth it in pioneer though, seems weird
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Free him
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>>92569347
Only for control cards

creatures have to be one card combos that completely take over a game, shit out card advantage and counters and grow past blockers and let you dump mana into them lategame to activate something as strong as a planeswalker ultimate, and a single turn untapping with them basically wins the game on its own
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>>92569507
I really don't understand why WotC insists on making cards like this that sometimes don't work. Nobody ever had a problem with Fog.
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>>92569706
Fog is literally timewalk in current Standard meta
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>>92569765
Fog has been Time Walk in almost every single Standard meta and saw little if any play. Stop trying to make a card out to be something it has never at any point been.
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>>92569773
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Cardmarket went from using blurred pictures to this for the racist cards. What happened? Did the alphabet people push them?
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>>92569976
Someone in HR probably needed to look busy.
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JfC this game is so soulless now. Lorwyn/Shadowmoor (except planeswalkers) was the last real block of Magic the Gathering. Everything after that is another game altogether. Planewsalker, mythic rarirty and double face mechanics changed everything. And now they are releasing MORE legendary creatures than any one common card type per year. Think how messed up that is gamewise. A rough estimate from Scryfall tells me that in 2023 we got around 60 new artifacts, 183 enchantment, 224 sorceries, 208 instants and... 404 legendary creatures.

https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28type%3Alegendary+type%3Acreature%29+%28game%3Apaper%29+%28year%3A2023%29+%28is%3Afirstprinting%29&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
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>>92570035
Don't dispair... Kino soon anon.
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>Don't despair just because the punchline to the latest set was a shallow attempt at creating a cute cuddly mascot character, anon
>Because the next set is an entire plane of them!
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>>92570035
>404
fugg
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>SSS drops in price
>red players in shambles, asking for Sheoldred ban once again
lol
lmao even
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>>92561872
>TQ
>Favorite combination of creature types?
None. I like my creatures with a singular type.
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>>92570035
Reminder?
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>>92570276
It actually ticked back up. Yesterday it was $68 for a set and today it's $70.
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>>92569976
Everyone who won those cards should be arrested ASAP
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>>92570306
It's still 17 each for me since yesterday and it will likely continue to drop
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>>92570328
Yeah but yesterday the card won a Pioneer Challenge in a deck that was a glorified brew.
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>>92570312
Won?
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>>92570352
ESL, please understand.
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I cannot believe they ruined another format with karnstructs
my fucking god its been 3 years since MH2 and now its shitting up standard
whats next, are they going to somehow add mass artifact karnstructs to a draft format too?
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They're gonna make a Bitterblossom except it makes a Karnstruct every turn.
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>>92570392
And it'll cost 1, gain you life, and be green
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>>92570463
>{U}{G}
>Enchantment
>Whenever you draw your second card each turn...
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>>92570035
>404 new legendary creatures
>1,135 new non-legendary creatures
That comes out to 26.32% of all new creatures in 2023 being legendary. I want to vomit
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>>92570392
naw its gonna be a whole set mechanic


>Simic Biomechanist {2UG}
>Creature - Mutant Artificer (U)
>When Simic Biomechanist enters the battlefield or is turned face-up, create a token that's a copy of target artifact you control.
>Mechamorph {1U} (You may cast this card face-down for {2} as a 0/0 Construct artifact creature with Ward {2} and "This creature gets +1/+1 for each artifact you control"
>2/2
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>>92561872
What's your opinion on Rakdos Madness deck in Pauper, I'm thinking about it as my first deck in this format. The mechanics are pretty fun and I enjoy playing aggro decks, but I don't think it's very popular right now and how it plays in current meta. Any tips would be appreciated.
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>>92570536
2 different morph mechanics in the same standard sounds like cancer and that's why they just might do it
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>>92570583
Are you okay with losing to 7/7 gingerbrute unblockable on turn 3?
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>>92570623
Disguise and Cloak were in the same set THO
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Karn, the Struct
X
Legendary Artifact Creature - Golem
Affinity for artifacts
~ enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters on it.
~ gets +1/+1 for each artifact you control.
WURBG: Distribute a vigilance counter, a flying counter, a first strike counter, a lifelink counter, and a trample counter among any number of creatures you control.
0/0
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>>92570754
Make one of the counters a hexproof counter and we're cooking.
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>>92570767
We need to be innovative like WotC here, so how about replacing the flying counter with a new ward counter? Then they would be forced to put in some reminder text like "(A creature with a ward counter has Ward 2.)"
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>>92570665
Well, If we follow your way of thinking then everyone should just play Affinity?
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>>92570829
A ward counter wouldn't do anything in response. A shield counter, regenerate counter, or hexproof would though.
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>>92570854
Ah, I see your line of thinking. Well a hexproof counter would put it in line with Scion of Draco, so that should be an acceptable power level for Commander-- I mean Modern.
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>>92570829
The only innovation JOTC has done in the last few years is stripmine White for mechanics and giving them away to other colors, leaving nothing but flash bears and SunTitan memes
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>>92570880
You're right. Our new Ward counters should be in White's color pie.
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Hey guys MaRo her- I mean, an ordinary anonymous 4chan user here. What are some changes that have happened to Magic in the last decade that you think are actually positive? Personally I think Ward as a replacement for Hexproof is a great change, but now the problem is they're putting it on too many cards that wouldn't have had Hexproof in the first place.

Besides that one tiny thing I genuinely can't think of anything that I'd say is a positive change, but there's a wall of negative things.
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Marko is a great steward of the game. Said by Garfield himself.
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>>92570947
Gay bolas.
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Now that time has passed, What's your opinion on this?
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Only Thoughtseize can save Standard from the bird menace
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Marologically speaking, what lessons have R&D learned from OTJ?
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>SaffronOlive's budget Standard RDW is more expensive than the meta list because he made the budget version when SSS was $1 and the meta list doesn't have it in yet
lmao
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>>92571066
Stupid images
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>>92571150
offensively designed both visually and mechanically
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>>92571117
That as MKM bland sets are horrible a waste of time, resources and history, BUT if you release some really busted cards even the worst set can be profitable.
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>>92571108
reprint this instead
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>>92571161
Pick Your Poison is the most played card in Modern (by a decent margin) and is a $2 common from a set only three months old. Wild.
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>>92571004
Maro is a great guy but he mentally checked out years ago. His design articles from the early 00s show he knows what's best for the game and they basically describe everything that modern magic is not.
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>>92570583
It's very fun, >>92570665 can happen but the solution is to run removal for the creature getting the All That Glitters
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>>92570672
Semantics, they did the same thing functionally
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The only format I care about is Legacy, and it just isn't the same anymore. 2011- 2013 were my favorite eras. So both: before Deathrite Shaman - and just after Deathrite Shaman (two very different formats, I know).

Points to whoever knows which Legacy deck sideboard ran this card, and for what matchup.
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Lands, unsure of the matchup.
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>>92571150
what were they thinking? seriously was it worth?
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>>92572003
They're completely out of ideas on how to make their game more popular so now they're trying the "force a cute mascot" angle.
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>>92571971
The answer was "RG Lands." And also "RG Lands." It was for the mirror lol.
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>>92572065
Lands implies RG because it was a PFire control deck iirc.
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>>92572042
Did they forget about "making a good game" after the corporate takeover and endless virtue signaling?
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>>92572083
Well, there was also turbo lands. Also, I think was mistaken, I don't know why the hell you'd run it in the mirror. I decided not to run it the one time someone offered to lend it to me. I'd much rather run it against true name decks. Or possibly against omni tell? Actually, that makes the most sense. Because if they show and tell, instead of omni, you can show and tell in honey, which kills Big E on your turn.
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>>92572156
They can't do that because it would require them to admit they've been doing a bad job, and that's how you get yourself fired.
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>>92572158
>>92571958

Although, I'd still much rather show and tell in a trinisphere, I think. Honey on show, and then drop trin on your turn is the safest line though. Unless they drop sneak, and then you're basically just done anyway.
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>>92572156
Oh yeah. The companion mechanic? That was the final straw for me. I'm sick of buying cards, only to have them be banned or totally reworded.

I still remember when Sam Black put out that article about it. He was on the dev team, and he was adamant that the mechanic was just totally broken, and could not be printed. And no one listened to him.
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>>92562323
Gender bender as an anime trope predates your tranny obsession by several decades.
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>Vampires in Black
>Vampires in Black and Green
>Vampires in Black and Red
>Vampires
>Vampireeeees
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>92572259
*millennia
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>>92572218
I'd love to go read that again. Have a link?
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>>92572364
https://articles.starcitygames.com/magic-the-gathering/premium/companion-is-the-worst-mechanic-for-the-health-of-magic-since-phyrexian-mana/

I literally googled "sam black companion article" you stupid lazy fuck.
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>>92572376
Just for you then, I won't read it, faggot
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>>92572405
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>>92572218
>And no one listened to him.
They did. It's just that companions where just what wotc wanted. Landed just where they wanted it and working as intended.
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>>92572605
>>92572376
And both were MaRo's ideas, shocker.

Also funny that wotc is in shambles, CEO is leaving to save face.
Fixing MTG and DnD is simple as fuck but people are either retards or afraid to go against the twitter crowd.
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>>92573091
Fixing MTG and DnD for the playerbase is very simple. The problem is achieving that while also pleasing the shareholders.
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>spend a lot of money on magic cards
>barely eat at all, lose 10 lbs
>stop spending money on magic cards
>eat compulsively and gain 10 lbs
how do I break this cycle
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>>92573324
Set a realistic budget plan that allows you to realize your long term goals and see how much you can spend on magic without ruining your life.
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>>92573324
what's wrong with that? other than giving wotc money
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>>92573363
I'm not spending money I don't have, I'm just aware that it's retarded to spend money on cardboard yet I do it anyway
I do have the liver of a middle aged alcoholic though
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>>92573324
eat your cards
easy
you can thank me later
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>>92573385
I don't know what situation you are in but when you say have to choose between food and magic cards that does sound worrisome
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>>92573421
one day that addiction to exercise people keep talking about will kick in
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Bloomburrow Kino waiting room.
Fuck Third impact
Fuck OTJ
Fuck Ass Creed
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>>92573653
i'm more excited about the standard rotation, it feels like innistrad has been in standard forever
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>>92568237
>>92568331

what shit formats are you playing
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>>92561872
Is the new mascot thing the Scrappy Doo of Magic?
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>>92573838
>"And whenever Loot isn't featured in a set, other characters should be asking, 'Where's Loot?'"
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>>92573838
Loot should be erased and forgotten.
A mistake and a horrible design.
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>>92573653
Anons who are excited about bloomburrow don't understand that it'll just be another 50 legendary creatures and pushed nu-magic design philosophies. This set isn't any more or less exciting than the ones that have come before it
>muh cute things
Then you're a part of the problem
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>>92572405
>Just for you then, I won't read it, faggot
Meds. I recommend Anhero®.
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>>92573934
Nobody is excited for Bloomburrow. Social media is canvassed by marketers all the time trying to raise opinion of their products. It takes seconds and no account to post here.
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>>92574020
I'm not particularly excited for the furry plane, but in comparison to MKM or OTJ it looks a thousand times better.
Duskmourn has the potential to be good but it will be toned down to Scary Movie tier gag garbage.
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>>92574020
the most disappointing thing to me is that it will finally give me the ability to build the frog tribal deck I've always wanted and the deck will build itself and I'll immediately lose all interest
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>>92574020
Disagree with you. I know they will find a way to make it revolting, but the fact is cute animals plane with good and not shitty mechanics feels me with not hype but at least more interest than this two shitty slops.
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>>92574101
It looks like a shitty excuse to make the pathetic losers with no standards still playing the game collectively *gigglesquee* over cute animals because lord knows nothing relating to Magic makes people excited anymore.
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>>92574101
>I'm not particularly excited for the furry plane, but in comparison to MKM or OTJ it looks a thousand times better
People have been saying "last plane bad, next plane good" for years and it's never once held true.
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>>92574101
OTJ is actually fine. Yeah it’s filled with soiboi nonsense and it’s too pristine to really be “western” but for what it is I’ve enjoyed it a lot. Don’t expect anybody here to understand that, though
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>>92574374
>OTJ is actually fine.
No, it's not.
I will say it again: No, it's not.
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>>92573241
Fixing D&D for both players and shareholders is easy. They keep trying to directly monetize the game like retards when they should treat it like a Free-to-Play video game. You make the game itself, release the core rules for free, and then you make dungeon tiles, minis, dice, and other accessories to play the game. The problem is that both TSR and WotC fucked up and those niches were filled by third party manufacturers, making it nearly impossible for them to compete. They still have the option of licensing for movies, TV shows, books, etc, but they squandered a huge opportunity in the early 2000s. They could easily bring back Dragonlance (again) and use that to push various modules/accessories, but that level of creativity and coordination is beyond them, not to mention they scammed their writers.
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>>92574374
I like some of the cards mechanically but the
>theme of the set and it's execution
>price point
>four bonus sheets
are all big problems
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>>92574374
how can you call a western set without a single fucking western element like guns "fine"?
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>>92574499
There are guns. Just because they’re stupid-ass fantasy guns and not metal slugs doesn’t make them not guns. I didn’t say good, or great. But fine
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>>92574481
>theme
>execution
>complete lack of worldbuilding
>complete reliance on pre-established real world setting while bald faced lying about making their own world
>lying about not having guns
>godawful story
>too many legendary characters
>loot
>the usual slop art
>loot
>they named the city tarnation holy fuck
>cards once again have too many words
>all the extra sheet bullshit
>game is still expensive
>formats are still fucked
>LOOT. FUCKING LOOT. I HAVE NEVER SEEN A WORSE ANYTHING IN MY LIFE.
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>>92572218
It's funny too that he was the voice of reason for MH2 development. They consulted with him once, and he was waiting to hear back from them for a second round of critique, which never happened. Then they announced the set without further contacting him.
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>>92574998
>the voice of reason for MH2 development
Low bar.
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If I'm getting back into MTGO but don't have much ingame 'currency', is my best option to go infinite in Legacy leagues just to play goblin stompy? The games seem fast and I have experience with RW stompy IRL but none with goblin or moon.

>>92574913
I don't understand what Loot is supposed to be in the lore, not that I follow the 'story' garbage they cook up every set.
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>>92575105
Loot is an unclear being. As-is, he's mostly a living plot device because he has a live map of the Multiverse in his head that Jace can read. He's probably not a Fomori, though, because Fomoris are Giants, and he's a Beast. Probably the Space Opera set will explain more.
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>>92575105
Loot doesn't have a place in the lore. Loot's entire job is to win over the vapid easily pleased faggots who still play this game. They'll make a bunch of excuses and justifications in the "lore" at a later date, but for now it's important to just shit the cunt out. Mystery box writing, he could be anything!
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it took 14 years but training grounds finally has a top8, we got there
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>>92573324
proxy, learn some self control, save money and have the bank pay you for it
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>>92575236
>You can't brew in Pioneer without Thoughtseize or Fatal Push
Better add... uhm... Nykthos? To that list.
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>>92571150
Thematically clearly designed as a baby yoda because they desperately want a merchandisable character at the front of their brand

Mechanically its fucking shit. Ward {1} won't keep alive a 1/2 for 3, its conditioned on -already having a board- and the only reward is drawing temporary cards. For 3 mana you can just play a creature that will bash the opponents face, draw multiple real cards per turn AND has a game winning ultimate ability, aka Gix. And he's in a mono color. There are so many creatures that will win the game on their own at 3+ mana, the best this can do is draw you some cards when you're already winning anyway
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>>92575105
>If I'm getting back into MTGO but don't have much ingame 'currency', is my best option to go infinite in Legacy leagues just to play goblin stompy?
do you have enough to get a playset of broadside bombardiers? otherwise, don't even bother, goblins needs that card as much as it needs name sticker goblin at the moment

if you want something cheap and fast, I recommend turbo depths
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>>92571150

at first it seems great, but what deck does it slot into? what wincon does this enable? grabbing some extra cards might make this a 1x flex slot, but it doesn't really do anything great for a single strategy.
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>>92576110
the saddest part is that even commander doesn't want it.
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just learned that sagas tick up at the start of your first main phase rather than your upkeep
why the hell did they do that
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>>92576004
I was just going to rent cards; I only played online for about a month last year and have no online collection. But yeah I know Broadside is nuts.
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>>92576197
Some of them want you to do stuff with cards in hand, so it's better to happen after you draw I guess.
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>>92575236
That's such a clean list. It's smart how he didn't worry about warping the maindeck to beat amalia game 1.
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>>92576197
It's actually at the beginning of your draw phase, after you draw your card.
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People say the ending of war of the spark was shitty, but was the buildup really any better?
>Nicol Bolas is back again (again) and this time he's building an army in fuckoff nowhere
>Also now Ugin is retroactively his brother because it raises the stakes or something despite Ugin being basically a background character in the story
>The avengers are assembling to kill him
>Evil triumphs in the middle as Bolas lets them all get away for no reason (part of his master plan)
What were people expecting from this story?
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>>92576413
Eh, the build up was fine. The pay-off isn't even THEORETICALLY bad, they just sort of shat the bed with the actual execution for the most part. The only conceptual stuff I dislike is that barely anybody besides Liliana mattered for beating Bolas. Not Ajani, who's fought him before (and won), not Vivien who was created specifically to be somebody with a grudge against Bolas, not Sarkhan who's a former servant of Bolas now turned away from his old master, etc. Liliana has A connection with Bolas, but honestly not much more than Jace, and Jace's contribution was 'making everybody think Bolas actually died because Ugin figured "hey Bolas came back from the dead once on a ridiculous freak chance involving time travel he can probably come back again right" and nothing else'.
MOM has a similar problem come to think of it. It's basically just Wrenn, Teferi and Karn who matter. Elspeth OSTENSIBLY matters, but it's more like all she really does is make Norn stupider and serve as a distraction.
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>>92575105
>I don't understand what Loot is supposed to be in the lore, not that I follow the 'story' garbage they cook up every set.
He's a vague McGuffin designed by committee to try and make a """cute""" mascot character that they can turn into marketable merchandise.
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>>92575236
I prefer the UB version with pack rat but this is cool too
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>>92576448
People say WAR was bad for being a shitty avengers endgame cashin but that's the entire bolas arc. Nothing in it was interesting and it's clear even in the middle that all the possible threads were going nowhere. The best-case outcome was just "the jacestice league killed the mascot evil dragon through the power of teamwork" which would have made it even more of an Avengers ripoff. Again the question is really what people were thinking would come of this if they didn't want it to be an Avengers ripoff.
The biggest retcon for the arc (aside from Chandra's sexuality) of making Ugin and Bolas siblings never even went anywhere aside from being flimsy justification for Ugin knowing about the sex dungeon dimension, which in itself doesn't even make sense because if Bolas is able to easily come back from dying he could just let himself starve to death, or fly up then drop and land on his head (repeatedly if needed).
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Hey magic bros
i never played the game before but this shit is dragging me in to play
is this a good price to pick it up? or will it be more expensive on release? My friends say its overpriced pre order and that i should wait
but im fearing of missing out so im not entirely sure
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>>92576582
STAY AWAY PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STAY AWAY

Disregarding the above, if you just want to get something to put on your consoomer display or to do with a friend a few times, pick up the Commander decks and call it good, the booster game will fuck you up.

Disregarding the above, That's 10 bucks more than I played for my last bundle, but that wasn't a Universes Beyond set, so who knows. If you want to get shiny things for the shelf, get a few Collector Boosters instead so you have the nice pretty foils and style frames.
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>>92576582
Beyond Boosters are a total ripoff, they're like 5 cards per pack or something.
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how much did you guys pay for otj prerelease?
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>>92576561
I'm not sure Bolas even NEEDS to eat. It's also just a weird justification to not kill him, because his resurrection was a ridiculous confluence of once-in-a-lifetime events. He literally pulled a copy of his body from the past as nothing more than living essence because time rifts were opening up across Dominaria.
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>>92576394
>714.3b As a player’s precombat main phase begins, that player puts a lore counter on each Saga they control. This turn-based action doesn’t use the stack.
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>>92576714
It is mentioned that Bolas needs to eat. In the backstory with Ugin it's mentioned that they both almost starved to death because they were too weak to hunt effectively. (The backstory they gave the two is another issue in itself, but that's not the main focus).
The point is that even if it's assumed Bolas "wins" from dying somehow (which I agree is REALLY dumb to assume), he has no shortage of ways to just kill himself unless Ugin is constantly beating him senseless and force-feeding him (in which case Bolas is likely to die very quickly anyway, not to mention how it amounts to what's effectively torture which new-WotC would never dare to have a hero perform).
The biggest thread they laid out in the whole arc only had a tertiary part of it used at all, and it was used for an ending that makes no sense even under its own logic.
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>>92576772
Why the actual FUCK would they talk about the draw step if sagas have nothing to do with the draw step!?
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what are the chances that The One Ring gets the banhammer in Modern/Pioneer?
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>>92576619
>>92576629
Should i get this then and call it a day?
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>>92576814
Because there's only so much room for reminder text on the Saga frame.
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>>92576825
Zero even though it should.
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>>92576828
Yeah, pretty much. Looks good on the coffee table and should be functional enough as a standalone game. Leave cracking boosters to the gambling addicts trying to sell to lifelong MTG players.
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>>92576828
Yes. If you've got the money to spare and feel like taking a little risk you can get the other one on the hope it'll be under printed like Fallout and you can resell it sealed for a profit.
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>>92576857
>>92576871
Thanks a lot for the input i got the starter kit!
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>>92576619
There are no Commander decks for Assassin's Creed.
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>>92576992
Bullshit, there's always Commander de-
>set too smol, plz understand, we have to sell half-size boosters
Why did they take this crossover in the first place?
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>>92577044
I genuinely don't know, it's the most baffling crossover they've done to me, after Walking Dead. The series doesn't seem to be especially popular these days, it's not a full set, yet it's still Modern-legal, and it's... It's very much "who is this for?".
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>>92576992
>Assassin's Creed is more of a Modern set than Modern Horizons 3
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>>92577069
By that logic is Aftermath more of a Standard set than March of the Machine?
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formats where boardwipes are powerful are shit formats
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>>92577069
>modern horizons III commander deck
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>>92576413
>was the buildup really any better?
No. The Jacetice League saga literally started with them killing two eldritch horrors from beyond reality with the power of friendship. It was absolute shit from the start.
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>>92571958
>Points to whoever knows which Legacy deck sideboard ran this card, and for what matchup.
Enchantress vs. D&T?
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Straight up this deck wins matches pioneer is a hilarious format if you don't mind eating shit in your bad matchups.

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/hlBgyti78ECwoUeMGqSMzg
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>>92573653
Furfag sjw set introducing the replacement of "tribal", "kindred"?
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>>92577647
It's bringing back the most kino characters of the game, Eugene and Bolas.
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>>92576413
>no consequences in war
>no consequences in mom
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>>92577650
They're going to be trans, you shill!
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>>92577377

god anime is so cute i can't stand it
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>>92577408

well maybe those eldritch horrors were bitches who got trapped by big stones
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>>92577671
No they're just going to be gay for each other and I'm going to eat that shit up.
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https://www.hareruyamtg.com/en/deck/740914/show/
https://twitter.com/Ai_Stax/status/1782023830569116104

$74xXxchads ww@
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>>92577713
Phil will play this deck, go 5-0 because he's against shitty tier 4 decks every round, and then say it's almost as good as Goblins
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>>92577663
>WotC responds to everyone taking a dump on the dogshit writing by doing joke theme sets until the end of time, leaving the writing off at its all-time low point
>Despite OTJ being a joke set, WotC tried to pigeonhole it into having a "serious" position in the mainline story so the most iconic villains didn't appear for what was supposed to be the villain set since they're all dead or otherwise indisposed.
How the fuck do multibillion-dollar companies not know how to put patties on the fucking grill? Even the comic book era of "Joker never ever dies for real" eternal status quo is better than this horseshit where it's staring down of literally 2+ years of heroes existing in an unopposed universe for them to just fucking goof off in.
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thunder junction draft is fucked up. i was actually excited for the set, thought it looked great. i hadn't really played with play boosters because i steered away from MKM. this shit is so infuriating. way too much removal, way too many must-answer threats. even when you you have the opponent dead to right, they can make an absolute comeback out of nowhere. like this game i had the other day.
>board full of creatures, swing in
>post combat opponent is at 1 card in hand, 2 creatures on board, 3 life
>have 17 life myself, a bunch of cards in hand, board full of creatures
>need one more combat
>pass, opponent draws
>plays memory vessel, plays molten duplication, exile top 14 cards in my library
>pass to turn, die to trying to draw from an empty library
fuck this shit
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>>92578141
>so much removal
and that's a good thing
>can make a comeback
and that's a good thing
>won by mill
what an absolute gigachad
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>>92578141
Ornery Tumblewagg wins the game by itself if you can't kill it immediately
it's not quite Pack Rat, but the feeling of the game snowballing further and further is quite extreme
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>>92578298
all the removal and bombs make the game feel like a game of chickeninto a coin flip.
>what an absolute gigachad
he was playing a mardu aggro deck, he just got extremely lucky drawing into the vessel, when he was holding a dead duplication in hand. neither card was in his deck for the combo he pulled off, it was pure bullshit what happened.
>>92578368
i feel like that is true of a ton of the rares (and even many uncommons)
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>>92577069
>Modern Horizons III
>Modern Horizons
>Modern
It's a Modern set for crying out loud, not Commander. Made for fucking Modern! This shit is giving me a brain aneurysm.
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>>92578499
the blue sphinx is a busted uncommon that feels like a rare
kraum is also a must-kill
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>>92578499
>running dead cards in deck
yep, sounds like a chad to me
>got lucky
welcome to mtg
the only thing you are rightfully seething about is kill on sight bombs. vessel not being one of em
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>>92578548
never had a problem with kraum, the rest of the deck has to be pretty gas and built around it right. i honestly like jem more than kraum. the sphinx is absolutely busted, though.
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>>92578573
>>got lucky
>welcome to mtg
it's happening way more this set than previous ones. like i said, might have happened in MKM as well, but i steered clear of that one. i put blame on play boosters and the cracked amount of rares going around.
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>>92578573
also
>running dead cards in deck
neither are completely dead, vessel is good at refilling hand when you are out of gas. molten duplication is good when you are at parity or ahead. it's just he was so behind that duplication was a dead in hand at the time, it just so happened he drew into the right piece to combo me to my death after i had drawn more and played more threats than he had.
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>>92576825
>Pioneer
zero because the one ring isn't legal in pioneer
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>opponent is on green dinosaur deck
>their deck loses to removal, loses to sweepers
>they got out a 5/3, a 4/4, a 5/5, a 3/1 and a 7/7 alongside their 1/1 and 0/3 dorks
>....
>I'm on a UW control deck filled with sunfalls, knockout blow, temporary lockdown, etc
>in the same time, I got 9x 14/14 karnstructs and 2x disguise creatures

lets face it, synthesizer simply means that control is better at everything now
control can shit out 130 power onto the board while still doing control things
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>>92578745
ok NOW coat is good
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>>92576814
>>92576394
Have you never seen Urza's Saga? I don't even play anymore and even I know that. You wouldn't be able to add mana and use it for whatever if it wasn't in the mainphase.
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Blood Hustler or Vadmir for Dimir Aggro in Standard? I've been enjoying the Blood Hustler, but I'm torn between Vadmir's lifelink/menace and Blood Hustler not being legendary. Feels like Vadmir could be too slow because of that.
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Collector's Cage bros... we did it.
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>>92576814
because the precombat mainphase comes after the draw step? pretty simple.
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>>92578826
what if i want to make a scales deck with cage? what if i want to do it in standard with ozolith, shattered spire?
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>>92578846
I don't know, Cage is being used in that list as something to put the deck over the top, it has a lot of creatures so getting 3 different powers is easy, if you dedicate a lot of card slots to non-creatures it might get harder to enable it, since you'll be more vulnerable to removal.
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>4 games in a row in bo1 standard arena where both players are just racing the other down
This is the only way to keep control decks honest I guess
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>>92578866
and what about if i am making it in standard, not modern? obviously it's a lot harder to make the cut in modern than in standard. is there no room for scales in standard?
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>>92578872
SSS vs SSS? It's the only deck that consistently beats my Dimir deck and it's very frustrating because there's no real answers to SSS that don't compromise the deck against everything else.
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>>92578781
Three Steps Ahead is the new Cryptic Command, But Better
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>>92578898
Your go for the throat? Your cut downs? Your counterspells?
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>>92578898
Yea all SSS
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>>92578912
I'm running 4x elspeths smite 4x knockout blow and I win games vs SSS, don't see what all the fuss is about
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>>92578887
>is there no room for scales in standard?
I'm not so sure, Scales is about incremental power and the things that make it less vulnerable to removal aren't Standard legal, I think if you tried to build Scales in Standard right now it would be too slow.
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>>92578912
>Your go for the throat
>leaving 2 mana open and passing the turn when you're playing aggro yourself, knowing the SSS will just simply not get played and they'll keep beating you up with the Kumano and Swiftspear the whole time

>Cut down
Doesn't even kill the fucking thing because it won't get played until it can be boosted twice at instant speed, out of cutdown range.

>counterspells
See: Go For The Throat
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>>92578924
People really just need to post rank when they bitch, the SSS with the protection spell is so telegraphed
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>>92578898
I want SSS banned so bad.
Now everything is Red red red, everywhere.
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>>92578939
>the SSS with the protection spell is so telegraphed
This is part of the problem with the card's design btw. This isn't a gotcha. It's the exact opposite. Plot on SSS making it telegraphed actually makes RDW stronger.
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>>92578901
how is that relevant to coat
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>>92578938
You know you very easily hide go for the throat with make disappear or fairy mastermind. What are you chonking out at sorcery speed?
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ok but why is plot a special action and not an activated ability tho?
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>>92578950
I dropped Masterminds for Blood Hustlers. I've found them much more useful for putting players on the clock and making them rush their gameplan. Those + the bat.
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>>92578946
it may as well be facedown since we all know what the plotted card will be
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>>92577650
Bolas was just a scared child. Ugin was in the wrong for calling him a monster, since that's what ultimately set him off once he had nobody else he could trust in his life.
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>>92578953
so you can't use enigma jewel / omen hawker for it
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>>92578822
>>92578962
Vadmir is clearly better IF you are running tinybones joins up, because its just a tribal deck for legendary
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>>92579005
Na it's not the legendary tribal version I'm running. Though I am now tempted to give that one a try too after realising that a third of the creatures in the deck are legendary already.
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>people seriously think SSS will be banned
Its obvious to anyone with eyes that this card was insane the moment they revealed it so I find it hard to believe WotC didn't playtest this properly, They want red to be played more
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red is already the most popular secondary (additive) color
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>>92579042
>WotC didn't playtest this properly
>WotC
>Play
>Test
Anon? ANON?
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a reminder that sunfall is the worst designed card in history
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>>92579114
no, that would be the incarnation cycle
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>>92579122
companions???
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>>92579042
memory jar
skullclamp
jitte
oko
meathook
felidar guardian
fuck off
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>>92579114
invoke despair felt much worse to play against but yeah sunfall is pretty awful
would put temporary lockdown ahead of sunfall honestly, the fact that it cleans up everything is ridiculous and it's not even an artifact
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>>92579184
It can at least be destroyed. Sunfall just means graveyard creature synergies cannot exist in Standard. Aristocrats too.
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>>92579114
I just had a game where 4 turn cycles between each player went

>sunfall, animate a token, attack, get chump blocked by a token, rebuild a board (herd migrations / atraxa / angels, vs karnstructs)
4 sunfalls cast on my side, 3 sunfalls + 1 depopulate on his side according to the graveyards
Only reason this demented board state was possible is that I was 46 cards deep into my deck and hadn't found a single Three Steps Ahead, I'd only 'milled' a couple with cryptic coat. Would have broken the stalemate instantly, not even bother countering his sunfall since he'd just cast another, just flash in an army of karnstructs on my end of turn
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>>92579195
destroying it doesn't do anything if it's cleaning up artifact tokens anything interesting I try to do with tokens while it's still legal
sunfall would be fine if it picked one between being a wrath with upside and an exile wrath
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>>92579175
most of those were easily overlooked interactions
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>>92579207
True. I forgot how it completes hoses tokens. I disagree on Sunfall being fine as an exile wrath. I don't think exile wraths should exist. You should be forced to risk a punishment when you wrath, for letting things get to that point to begin with.

>>92579213
>Oko was easily overlooked
cmon son
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>>92579213
lol
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>>92579207
technically, if you destroy it before it exiles, you keep everything
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>>92578996
doesn't matter, I'd just stifle
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>/mtga/ died on /vg/ again
>suddenly lots of people talking about standard
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>>92579283
Are you angry dude?
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>>92579283
>people are talking about the format that wotc is trying to specifically get people to talk about?!
>after a new set released for that format?!
>this is unheard of!
gimp lol
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>>92579294
>>92579294
>>92579294
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>>92579289
>after a new set released for that format?!
sets are released for paper draft and sealed, everything else is a joke.
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>>92579213
Anon at this point you are trolling right?
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>>92576413
>>Nicol Bolas is back again (again) and this time he's building an army in fuckoff nowhere
He was back since Alara but was not in scene for us to see.
>>Also now Ugin is retroactively his brother because it raises the stakes or something despite Ugin being basically a background character in the story
Ugin was stated to have been killed by bolas in Khans of Tarkir, the very set that introduced him properly (before that he was a flavor text quote and a story in an Arcane article in the mothership)
>>The avengers are assembling to kill him
No, Amonkhet started more as an investigation on a plane full of bolas imagery.
>>Evil triumphs in the middle as Bolas lets them all get away for no reason (part of his master plan)
Yeah, that was kinda odd, but was even if we didn't think it was about a master plan bolas had done that to other walkers before this story so was in character.
_
The thing with war of the Spark is that they tried to hype the shit out of it and have done it is one set. That event had no consequences barely any known character died and the ones that died were either insignificant or was in copyright disputes (dack feyden). And the story was shit and not well written, and the spoken persons of the company did they best to describe it as something even worse than it was. Things like "All walkers from the whole multiverse went there" or "The story that will change the multiverse as we know it".
We had 2 or 3 walkers deaths by bolas's army, barely any of ravnica's notorious people died (none that i remember).
And instead of wotc being ashamed that the story was shit on a fundamental level they got afraid of a twitter mob mad at them for making Chandra not TOTALLY GAY... The company bend the knee and apologized for making a reference to Chandra and Gideon as seen on "The Purifying Fire".
MTG story team has been shit since war of the spark, the only good thing we got were the few books that were done by competent writers that probably ignored wotc
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>>92577069
>Cards in the set named Modern Horizons are not legal in Modern

*CLAP* *CLAP*



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