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I don't care your excuses.Just ban him. Is a bad designed card.
>>92579320Fuck off, fast turn 3 wins make dailies achievable
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/tournament/pioneer-preliminary-2024-04-22#paper2nd and 3rd went to SSS. 1st was a Thoughtseize deck.
>>92579315love this lil nigga like you wouldnt believe. Thief of Sanity and Twilight Prophet are my two most beloved cards.
>>925793377/10 got me to reply
>>92579337go back to /vg/, learn how to start a thread.
TQ
>>92579356I play standard online and commander irl...>>92579343I'm being serious. It's clearly designed arena with mind, it actually makes sense if you consider that Hasbro wants to make online its cashcow. The design is just perfect for beginners who just downloaded the game, it's a rare, slots into most popular beginner archetype and allows for fast games. Eventually people get bored and will shill out money for draft or alternative decks.SSS isn't going anywhere and if you want to talk about standard you have to talk about arena
Errata it to not have plot lmao
>>92579391>I play standard online and commander irl...so go make a thread about your rigged shuffler on /vg/ and then talk about commander in /edhg/. it isn't that complicated.>if you want to talk about standard you have to talk about arenano.
>>92579338>SSS didn't even win yet people will complain about it
>>92579418Because it's going to turn the format into SSS v Thoughtseize.
>>92579418My dog almost died this way during her 13th birthday. We were hiking at a swampy area and she jumped in a bog without realising it before I whistled for my life, thank god she was a strong swimmer even at an older age.Sinking into mud is no joke, it will kill you and you won't realize it before it's too late
>>92579294Can the bird be adapted to standard?>4 Harrier Strix>4 Hypnotic Grifter>4 Omen Hawker>4 Enigma Jewel>4 Training Grounds>4 Duelist of the Mind>4 Faerie Mastermind>4 Proft's Eidetic Memory>4 Reality Chip>4 Triskaedekaphile>20 lands (otawara, mishra foundry?)
>>92579434you genuinely think that having a creature aggro deck as one of the best decks in the format is a bad thing? I'd understand if we were talking about standard but this is comboneer, the last time a traditional aggro deck was top tier was 4 years ago
>>92579437Anon the video is staged.
>>92579462What's that got to do with his post?
>>92579434Why not SSS with Thoughtseize?
>>92579460I couldn't give a flying fuck what the best deck in any format is. All I care about is the game being fun. SSS is the epitome of a not fun creature.
>>92579460I genuinely think having monored aggro in the top 3 of any format is a sign of something being broken. At that point it's not "keeping something in check". It becomes the only thing worth running.
>>92579503Straight RDW splashing black for Thoughtseize and Callous Sell-Sword could be worth a try. Thoughtseize is worth splashing an entire colour for and if you're riding SSS to victory your T1 is a big meh anyway.
>>92579512>>92579505just eiganjo it lol
>>92579505>>92579512now I'm curious, what do you play in pioneer?
>>92579532Play?
>>92579526I already play 4 callous sell swords in my standard RDW list and the only black sources are 4x painlands / 4x fastlands, thran portals were starting to get a bit too painful
>>92579535that's what I thought
Imagine thinking you have any kind of high ground in an argument just because of something like that lmao. You can't attack the argument so you attack the person making it. SSS promotes awful gameplay, simple as. If the card was weak and unplayable we could just pretend it doesn't exist, but it isn't and now people are getting blown up T3 by a creature they can't interact with unless they use Thoughtseize.
>>92579554>they can't interact with
imag no use eiganjo
>>92579588Are you under the impression SSS is played on empty boards? lmao
>>92579595Yes.
Would SSS be fine if it was just regular prowess?
Why is some retard saying to use a 4 mana colourless removal spell?
>>92579610maro you can't errata paper cards like that
>>92579595>cut down first creature>edict the birdlike, we are in early days still. the meta will shift, but people are so unwilling to brew something new, they want to stick to the decks they already have even though there has been a shakeup. a shakeup doesn't mean it deserves a ban, because it isn't unanswerable. it's just people are getting their feefees hurt that the deck they had been playing is getting beat.
>>92579554>If the card was weak and unplayable we could just pretend it doesn't existyou don't need to pretend, you straight up don't play the format, card legality doesn't apply to you, the ban list doesn't apply to you, literally anything related to the format doesn't apply to youeven if they banned every single card you pointed your finger at, it would still not change a single thing from your point of view because you don't play the format, the fact this needs to be explained is wild to me
>>92579625Huh?
>>92579627This is some really embarrassing cope. Also, all of your answers are black lol.
>>92579640this, should just use a colorless one that cannot be countered
>>92579632Yes I do play the format, I've played UR Phoenix for years and attend every sanctioned Pioneer event I can in my region plus grind MTGO leagues.
>>92579640Black is the best color.
>>92579658That's a weird way to say green
>>92579640>copeno, actually you are coping by complaining the card is banworthy, and it isn't just that your deck is being shifted out of the meta.>all of your answers are blackoh right, forgot you are a commander player. every colour needs to have answers to absolutely everything. retard.
>>92579640we have green answers too
>>92579673>n-no uloooooool>it's acceptable for a T3 aggro deck to have answers only available in one colourLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
or colorless, you shouldn't gimp yourself with a niche common against one deck
>>92579671Black goes well with everything.
>>92579418
>>92579705>n-no uexcept i gave an explanation to your cope, you just said "cope." we aren't the same.>it's acceptable for a T3 aggro deck to have answers only available in one colourwhat are counterspells, what are fog effects, what is get lost? what are blockers? again, you just aren't willing to brew something new, you are just coping, saying it is banworthy, because that is cognitively easier for you than actually thinking and brewing something new.>just types LOOOLyou are a retard with nothing to say and no argument. SSS is a good card, but not worth a ban.
There's a guy (male) in this thread who actually allows people to invent credentials that he wholeheartedly believes mid-argument. You could tell him you were a PT champion and he'd believe you.
>>92579744>holding up a counterspell for SSSImagine exposing your retardation this hard lmao
>>92579744my friend in jesus have you ever actually played against a red deck beforewhat are your blockers and counterspells gonna do against a 0 mana sequenced creature while their swiftspear is banging in and they will monstrous rage as soon as you block, as if you had reach/flying blockers anyway
>>92579764>still no argument, just calls retard and expects to be thought of as superiorexplain why the play pattern is bad, and then we can have a discussion. otherwise, you are gay and retarded with no valid claims.
>>92579787>explain why giving yourself a 2 mana tax every single turn against an aggro deck spamming cheap creatures is badchrist almighty. these are the people telling you that your deck is shit lol
>>92579368Cool art. I wish we had more art in that style now.
>WAIT NO YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO PLAY YOUR SSS OUT INTO MY EDICT ON TURN THREE NO NO YOU CAN'T JUST CAST A FABLE NOOOOOOOOO
>Spend 2 mana to use a card in the future>Noooo I have to hold up mana every turn to answer it or I die
>>92579462Maybe, doesn't mean that puddle can't kill someone.
>>92579744>we aren't the same.you go, gus. so cool
Please stop replying to him, he's just fishing for replies at this point, he does not actually care about this conversation.
SSS is not even that strong. If you are crying for this guys you must be really upset by Amalia and lets not talk about that turn 3 blood artist on steroids that can fly, or the ratto that unleash a fucking 13 of damage in one turn.
>>92579452update, I gave it a few test runs
>>92579905BASED BLUE CHAD
>>92579905>TriskaidekaphileWhy play this?
>started playing MTG week ago>slot Jegantha in my janky red deck for 1 rare wildcard>???>make it to mythic in few sittings Why is the elk so strong?
>>92579816Yes and that's why FoW should be legal in every format.
>>92579932That’s post-nerf, too. Used to be way better
here cause the arena thread is dead again. what does plot do for X cost spells? had a guy cast it for x=0. he should still be able to pay the additional cost right? was it just a misplay?
How can we get rid of all the Arena faggots polluting this thread? Seriously guys Digital shit is not real Magic.
>>92579953cucks them. Alternate cost = 0 so nothing gets made. X isn't an additional cost the way something like kicker is.
>>92579953If something is plotted you can’t pay the mana cost even if you want to, and if you don’t pay X then X=0. X is not an additional cost when it’s in the mana cost. Your opponent didn’t mess up casting the spell, he just messed up thinking plot worked differently
>>92579926eh how many draw a card activations are available in standard? can't run spectral sailor/etc for redundancyits still 2 mana with a training grounds but you actually get to keep the card and its not symmetrical so its better than faerie once you get going, and 1 mana if you get a 2nd training grounds out
>>92579988damn, i should be holding these for worldsongs. thanks
>>92579967Me personally? I just like talking about MTG. All formats, all digital or paper. Arena might be the only way some people can even play the game, depending on where they live.
>>92580004Interrupter, I assume?
>>92579967I agree that digital isn't real magic but at this point I'm happy that there is some discussion happening that's not edh focused.
>>92579967Standard is a Magic format anon, what are you talking about?
Nurturing Pixie is a cool card, and I've won a few games with it by bouncing my Knight Errant
>>92579967>How can we get rid of all the Arena faggots polluting this thread?you can talk about the game (paper)>but I fucking hate this shit gamethen there's nothing really you can do
>>92580023oh yeah, the interrupter. i forgot to mention
why is pauper a slow format when it has such a large card pool?
>>92579967how about you fucking get over it and accept that digital formats are also magic you mong
>>92579967the only digital non-magic is alchemy shit. nobody is talking about that fortunately
>>92580113because you have a lot of premium interaction at common rarity but not a lot of game ending threats, decks that want to go fast in pauper are either linear and full of redundancy or glass cannons
>>92580113initiative takes time to snowball. slowly but surely, you don't even realise you have already lost the game if you miss an initiative tick twice
>>92580155for me, it's the resilient card advantage of Boros Synthesizer which plays more like a UB control deck than an aggressive RW deck
>>92580144What's wrong with alchemy? Its my favorite format!
>>92579953legitimate question here: do you guys not know how to make a thread? like, when it dies, what compels you to migrate here, or what repels you from making a new thread? i've legitimately gone and remade /mtga/ for you guys a couple times, when i was tired of this thread turning to shit/arguments about what constitutes real magic. why can none of you do it yourself?
>>92580216There's a schizo on /vg/ that burns every /mtgag/ to the ground and they almost invariably die off before 200 posts. Nobody wants to make it because they actually want to talk about Magic, even digital Magic, and /mtgag/ doesn't talk about Magic.
above 80% is the sweetspot right? that's only 2 misses every 10 cocos
>>92580216the /vg/ thread can't even last for a full day without dying on the day a fucking set releases because only 1 in 5 posts at best are actually about the game of magic
While everyone is focused on SSS, they forget this card exists
>>92580282sacking a tapped land is a nice alternative to discarding
>>92580282>*goes into phoenix and nothing else*BOOOOOOOOOOORING
new 'ids just droppedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0KlNYe2tbg
>>92580367why does he talk like a retard?
>>92580282Is shit anon.
>>92580390I don't watch his videos because of his voicehe actually used to speak normally
>>92580367Coat and Synthesizer looked somewhere between bad and too cute. Why not just play old reliable?
>>92580478Coat with Satoru is really good since you want to play Coat anyway
>>92580478Picrel, old reliable.
>>92580367I wish he would just talk like he did in his earlier videos. I like his videos but for the love of fuck please just fucking talk in a normal fucking voice!
I like it.
>>92580509Compared to /ourJitte/ is just too weak.
>>92580490The synergy between them almost seems not worth mentioning. I'd much sooner lean harder on the Affinity gameplan.
>>92580520it's better to build a grindy Satoru deck than artifact based if you go for Coat
Hey bro I heard you needed zero mana creatures.
>>92580549thats a vintage staple right there
>>92580517og jitte is not legal in pioneer
>>92580567Nor is it as good as an imitation that costs less mana to both cast and equip.
bros?https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=54693&d=606407&f=MO
>>92580509its a great colorless mana generator for standard. myt 1/1 flyers love it
What a disgraceful list.
>>92580578>Blessed Respite is the only winconHOLY BASED
>>92580578It's funny that the most played enchantment removal gets around shroud, but an actual enchantress deck runs too many enchantments for it to be an effective answer.
>>92580615When the hell did WAR Ashiok become a big deal. Is it just because it says "fuck tutors"?
>>92580640easily splashable relevant sideboard card
>>92580640phoenix started maindecking a copy to deal with the mirror and lotus combo, since phoenix has so much card selection you can just discard it when it's not useful
>>92580640>fucks tutors, fucks fetches, makes demolition field even better>self mill for advantage, or mill opponent for resource denial>exiles graves every activation, regardless of who you target>hybrid mana makes it slot into more decksgee, i wonder why it's good?
>>92580615>>92580640
>>92580640>>92580674Fucking this. in what world an utility 3 mana PW that fuck a lot of the shit that predates Pioneer will be not good? For starters is a PW.
>>92580679
>>92580674>makes demolition field even betterit does not actually, ashiok says "spells and abilities your opponents control" so if you control demoliton field, they can still search for a basic (if they have any)
>>92580704damn, my bad. still, the rest of it still stands. and it still hurts your opponents if they try to demo field you.
>>92579320Are people playing Izzet Birds with this and Ledger Shredder? If not, why?
>>92580724probably because going birds is worse than just building around trying to one shot people. tribal decks are almost never competitive, except humans and sometimes elves.
>>92580732bitches don't know about my pioneer skeletons
>>92580732I don't mean Bird Tribal, I just mean smashing face with two unreasonably good birds in particular.
>>92580724The real question is when do white and black get THEIR busted 2-drop Bird?
>>92580211it's not-magic, like un-shit
>>92579337>dailiesContainment thread.Go to it.
>>92580282FLAGSTONES IN PIONEER WHEN
>>92580746again, probably because the play patterns of both don't necessarily jive. it's better to just stick to one bird.>>92580823what, green too good already to get a 2 drop bird?
>>92580390he's squidward
>>92579437>Sinking into mud is no joke, it will kill you and you won't realize it before it's too lateMany people die from neck or back injuries from just jumping into mud. The awkward twists it can cause are very, very dangerous.
>>92580615wonder why it took this long for people to start liking ashiok, shit's nuts. just like breach
WotC wants you to play Standardhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/announcing-cowboy-bebop-collaboration-promo-cards
>>92580844Green doesn't really get fliers apart from dragons or specific cycles and most birds fly.
>>92579887>that turn 3 blood artist on steroids that can flyfunny, you forgot hexproof
>>92580901Oh these are coming in English. That's neat at least.
Maro's card-by-card design stories have dropped. Interestingly, Malcolm and Breeches were originally a single card, and the second red-blue slot was gonna be Rootha instead.https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/bringing-the-thunder-part-1
>>92580944Also, a neat design for an early Malcolm.
>>92580944>>92580958I just don't fucking care.
>>92580958Reverse flicker? Dicker?
>>92579953>Nooo you have to take a mortgage on your house to play real magic! Fill WotC's coffers you digital plebs
>>92580958Bruse Tarl was originally Muzzio.
>>92580872pioneer is slow to adapt, when g devotion was considered tier s it wasn't bc of winrate, it was the most played deck and karn was autowincouple that with the fact that there are no good resources for it and most ppl think "most played deck = best deck"
>>92579816>I should be able to answer something for free>no matter the format>also, wotc is to blame for this tehee
>>92580901lol what a pile of shit cards
>>92581057All of them see play in standard.
>>92581057Standard and Pioneer is played a fair bit in Japan.
>>92581096I wonder if all the frontier players moved to pioneer after a while
>>92580944>talk about Eriette's design>...but not about how the set has no ways to use her
>>92580944>>92580958>>92580993>"So this legendary card was actually this other legendary card but we decided on a different legendary creature because they're more popular.>But also this card used to be two legendary creatures but we split those into two different cards so we could have more legendary creatures in the set.>So anyways, here's an explanation of the design of another legendary creature card...
>>92581084Disdainful stroke is arguable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOAJfCYVOQA>Its out
>>92581264I can't lie, I fucking love when a colour steals an archetype from another colour through sheer ingenuity. So I will be watching this.
>>92581264Only 30 dollars!?Welp, looks like its time for another ban, boys.
>>92581288yeye especially when it's green and done blatantly in your face
>>92581209There are a lot of enchantment cards that are lost in limbo... I remember this fine lady, absolutely unplayable.Is disgusting how enchantments, as other alternate wincons, are dead in favour of fucking pointless legendaries and blatanly pushed creatures.
>>92581209I mean he's addressed that on his Tumblr. Basically it's just "some rares and mythics aren't really aimed at Limited".
>>92581209i've brought it up here before, people here literally didn't understand. people in this thread don't actually play magic, nor understand it. 5 auras, 4 that can enchant creatures. 2 of those are not in esper colours. one of the 2 in esper colours (and the one you will see way more often) is removal, and isn't something you want to put on something you control/use to steal a permanent. the other, last one, is pariah, which is otherwise not a very good card and also a rare on the bonus sheet. eriette in draft is a 4 mana 4/4 with lifelink, that's difficult to cast because it is 3 colours. the common 4 mana 4/4 with vigilance and saddle is better. embarrassing.
>>92581310then put eriette at mythic, so it stops shitting up packs as much. save the design for a future commander product. something else. or you know, just put in a dead weight in the set. that way you can play her in draft and not feel like shit for drafting her. stop cold literally makes the things you take unusable.
CRYPTIC-ER COMMANDDONT SLEEP ON IT
>>92581458imagine getting all 3 modes*cums*
>>92581415If they still did the "commander cards in set boosters that aren't in precons" she might've wound up there, but Eriette was sort of set up to be in the set to begin with, so she had to have a card, and her 'thing' was caring about Auras. It's a square peg sort of situation, I think, because OTJ just doesn't have much in the way of Auras.
>>92581458i love it but i dont actually have good targets for the copy effect.
>>92581383i took it because its a 4/4 lifelink.
>>92581264This really demonstrates how retarded the Rattlewurm is. Its WAY ahead of the curve AND generates value after its killed, value which can transition into combos no less.
>>92581458can't save you from a big swing
>>92581458It's just a sublime epiphany
>>92581491>It's a square peg sort of situation, I think, because OTJ just doesn't have much in the way of Auras.that is why i said just put a dead weight in the set. make it a debilitating injury, even. an enchantment that is light removal, paired with eriette is actual removal that is also a threat, but also makes the thing smaller so it isn't as egregious as just outright control magic. that, or put it at mythic, like i said. remember when mythic was supposed to be for niche, weird or niche designs? like, it isn't quite a "square peg situation," because wotc has control over how square the peg is and how round the hole is. it could have been designed so that it wasn't so terrible to play in draft, but no, we get lazy design instead that just handshrugs and doesn't care if the set needs to make that much sense as a whole, packs are just being cracked for commander anyways.>>92581524and your deck was probably worse for it. were you already in the colours? did you have the fixing to reasonably splash it? did it serve you better than a common 4/4 vigilance for 4 that asks less of your manabase would? probably not.
>>92581590i won, cause i took a 4/4 lifelink
>>92581574that you can cast for 3 mana for one mode
>>92581608no, you didn't. the rest of your deck had to be good enough to support 3 colours and get you there. you may have won with it, but not because of it. probably more apt to say in spite of it. that, or every single opponent you faced still had 2 cmc aggro stuck in their head and tried to win that way, won by sheer luck of facing the shittiest opponents around.
>>92581515my targets for it are>simulacrum synthesizer>ancient cornucopia>cryptic coat>clue token>assimilation aegisand that's plenty. I've got a 1-of celestus that can't be copied but so what, even just copying cryptic coat is an unblockable 3/2
>see a 4/4 lifelink>start shitting myself at this sin against god
>>92581787Who are you quoting?
freestriders ftw
>>92581795what you mean? its just a personal opinion. not to be taken as fact.
I'm getting real tired going against black, be it mono black or a mixture of black and another colour. Been playing at my locals and now arena from time to time and it's always a slog getting thoughtsiezed and them having all the removal in the world.What colour do you guys hate playing against the most?
>>92581828>What colour do you guys hate playing against the most?whatever you're playing
>>92581828god i hate blu so fucking much is unreal & unhealthy
>>92581828BlueSpecially UW. I wanna erase such combination and destroy every Azorious player. What the hell is so fun about counter my stuff for 5 turns in a row and then playing a fucking Black Supreme Magician or the Asian flashy waifu and keep me agonizing for 15 turn straight. I prefer you take my deck and tear all my cards.
>>92581264spelunking is such a good card, makes scapeshift a thing in pioneer
>>92581515here, this one can net you more mana too
Some trends I have noticed in the Pioneer tournament pool scene.Every Phoenix Player has a V shape for a head, and a zoomer haircut that also is shaped like a V, basically those prep kids from high school but skinnyfat.All the Skilled UW control players are rail thin autists with box heads that declare every action they do and all the Shit UW Control players are obese and go to time every round.
>>92581264The Karoo land being so easy to tutor up is whack and Spelunking puts it on steroids. Rattlewurm is also ridiculous too.That said, I wonder if the doppelgang combo is even necessary. Feels like you could just do the desert ramp and then start shitting out huge Goldvein Hydras. Or going Red and doing a huge Worldsoul's Rage.
>>92581997>a V shape for a headwhat the fuck does that mean
>>92582029v for victory
What's the best deck right now If I want to play Pauper? I don't want to spend a fortune, because It'll be my first time playing Pauper and first time participating in any LGS games.
>>92582029This but skinnyfat
>>92582041peace
>>92582043this is data from the last 4 challenges on mtgo, any of the top 5 look like a good choice to me
>>92581997I've independently noticed all those things too. Very strange
>>92581989i feel its a cute card but not as effective as boombox at land hate.
>>92581989if you cast. cloning it doesnt work. gotta copy the cast instead.
>>92582246>5 mana>vs 8 mana>territory forge is an etb so if you make a token copy you immediately get the effect again instead of having to dump another 6 mana into ityou can't be serious. boombox isn't even a good draft pick, it's pretty much only good if you are playing sealed and have 0 other removal in your colours. forge also isn't great, in limited or constructed, but it's way better than boombox.
>>92582246Why not play both?
>>92582246it honestly just probably exists to take a bit of the edge off the one ring
what if synthetisister and clones + ring
>>92582277They have different purposes.You can't ramp territory forge with enigma jewel / omen hawker, it doesn't kill creatures, it can't be copied with locus of enlightenment, it can't be recurred every turn with esoteric duplicator
If people are talking about the dogshit Boom Box + Duplicator combo they shouldn't be sleeping on the less dogshit Boom Box + Conduit of Worlds combo.
>>92582252you are right but still gets the activated abilities on it
>>92582394That is one of the most hateful board states I've ever seen.
>>92582409>less dogshit>costs the same mana per loop, but only works at sorcery speed and locks you out of playing any other spells this turn>can't protect itself from interaction?????If my opponent tries to remove my esoteric duplicator or boom box, I just sacrifice them and clone them in responseThey can even dodge farewell. How many cards in any format can dodge farewell?
>>92582386Ring has an 'if you cast it' clause to stop you from taking infinite turns
>>92582278thats probably the best way to do it. boombox can trigger esoteric by itself but forge doesnt get much benefit due to its cast restriction so its a very one cast and done card thats only there to help pay for boombox combo.
>>92581458It doesn't need help, but I love this with Micromancer.
>>92581458Remember when picrel was played in the best Standard deck at the time? Oh the power creep.
>>92582516I remember.
>>92582467oh bo the ring is there just to trigger the simulacrum and draw more simulacrums and clones to make more simulacrums
>SSS is just hyped, its price will go b-ACK!!!
Damn, red and black are good at destroying creatures but get curb stomped if the opponent is rocking an enchantment deck. there are hardly any spells that destroy enchantments in red and black.
What the hell do i cut
my dad earns minimum wage at wotc.we'll get a gisela, broken blade reprint with the borderless profile treatment in MH3.have a nice day.
>>92582965Correct, blindly bringing the wrong cards can lead to games where you're simply unable to interact with your opponent. This is one of the biggest design issues Magic has.
>>92582965that's because they don't need to, and not every colour needs to have answers to everything.
why did everyone get raptured all of a sudden
>>92582977>Correct, blindly bringing the hand gesture can lead to games where you're simply unable to interact with your opponent. This is one of the biggest design issues rock, paper, scissors has.
>>92582994Rock, paper, scissors doesn't have legions of entrenched manchildren online spending thousands of dollars a year on it and defending its competitive legitimacy.
>>92582977Found the edh player.
>>92582973all the one drops
>>92580674Spells and abilities your opponents control can't words words words. Doesn't do shit if you demo them.
>>92582965I played a red deck where he turned everything i played into an artifact, even lands. He then proceded to spam destroy artifact cards because thats all red has.
just whittling down his resources with more birds.
>>92582965There's always Blast Zone.
>>92583053yeah, besides a direct destrly magic card, red and black have "target player sacrifices" or use some high cost board wipe.
>>92583049Has Standard always been this filled with weird stuff to do? The last time I remember it being this loaded was the incredible Urza's Block environment.
>>92583083the big score opened up alot of weird combos, not to mention the cardpool is overinflated due to the delayed rotation.
>>92583004part of the game is the deck building, planning, and trying to guess what your opponent will be playing. drawing cards, playing lands, casting spells, these things are all just the execution. but you were playing the entire time you were deck building and predicting what you will be facing. it is competitive, you just sometimes made a wrong prediction. sorry that it isn't your melee-ass, no items, fox only, final destination bullshit.
>>92583117Oh look a manchild on the internet defending the competitive legitimacy of the game just like I said.
>>92583130>is mad about variance>hates fun>calls other people manchildren
>>92583130if enough people agree that it has competitive legitimacy, then it is competitively legitimate. YOUR salty ass is the one being a damn manchild, crying anonymously on a taiwanese papercraft forum about how others choose to compete against each other.
>>92583162>Oh look a manchild on the internet defending the competitive legitimacy of the game just like I said.
>>92583166>if enough people agreehttps://www.britannica.com/topic/argumentum-ad-populumYou don't have a point, you have nothing but cope.>"Just guess better next time"is an absolutely atrocious way of justifying the outcome of a competitive game.
>>92583191he said it was a design flaw you dingus.
>>92583191>have to guess your opponents playlike all fucking games.
>>92582973Well the deck went 0-3. Walked into GB/GW on play all the games.
>>92583253But you aren't playing a game, you're sat at home wearing a tail buttplug putting together a Magic deck. Magic's gameplay actually has very little in terms of guessing games and bluff.
>>92583191argumentum ad populum is not a flaw when it is in reference to what people agree is legitimate competition.>>"Just guess better next time">is an absolutely atrocious way of justifying the outcome of a competitive game.nope, any competitive game requires you to anticipate the moves of your opponents. if you want pure reflex, go play DDR, faggot.
>>92583286Anon you don't have an opponent, you're sat at home alone. Are you okay?
>>92583254your curve was a pretty high. probably needed those silver deputies for early and the fixing too. 1RWW is pretty rough to play turn 4.
>>92583271Literally every tranny and nu male I've encountered thinks that variance is a "design flaw" like you said. That term is used by joyless manchild weirdos who play games as a way to feel better than the people they win against. They don't like losing to chance because it makes them feel stupid because they judge other people based on the outcomes of games and assume that others are judging them in the same way. ur projecting
>>92583301are you actually retarded? what is your ESL ass trying to say?
>>92583344Ability to account for multiple small instances of variability is a skill, but that has nothing to do with Magic.
>>92582977>why can't every color do everything?This is a commander talking point trying to give every color card draw and ramp and should be discarded.
>>92583375The game is hamstrung on a fundamental level by the colour wheel. It serves absolutely zero game design purpose but its restrictions result in non-games. It only exists as some weird flavour thing that likely sounded like a cool idea at the time but 30 years later is just causing issues.
>>92580244hey, is this your schizo that tries burning down threads?>>92583373>>92583271>>92583191>>92583130>>92583004>>92582977this faggot comes in this thread all the damn time and starts the argument about "hurr this game isn't skill based!"
>>92583416Play a hundred Burn mirrors against the world champion and you'll win around 50% of the games. What then makes a world champion but luck?
>>92583405Nah. Colors being good and bad at doing and answering different threats are what prevents the game from being piles of goodstuff. RB Midrange would have literally no weaknesses if it had enchantment hate, and enchantments don't matter in like any format except for leylines sometimes in the first place.
>>92583373No, people don't like playing skill based games because they're for losers. Your idea of variance is "game is different but still skillful every time" because you don't play games for fun. Wild swings of variance are fun because getting lucky feels incredible. Why are you even in this general if you care so much about being le epic mastermind? Go play a different game. Magic is like poker but easier because it's pretty trivial to play optimally so at the top levels of both games its hard for any particular player to break through the winrate ceiling. That doesn't mean that it had no competitive environment or that competitive games have to be a literal iq test. If people are trying hard to win in a tournament environment its competitive. Also, magic's randomness lends quite a bit of depth to its deck construction and gameplay in particular scenarios and games that are unfair tend to result in amusing situations.
>>92583445>RB Midrange would have literally no weaknesses if it had enchantment hateBroken window fallacy, you're only seeing what now is and not what could have been. If the game was designed from the ground up with no colour wheel in mind you wouldn't be sat here complaining about this issue because card design wouldn't have created it.
>>92583456You're right I'd be complaining that colors don't matter and the best decks do everything with no drawback.
>>92583461Why do you think bridge players don't complain about the colour wheel in their game?
>>92583405>It only exists as some weird flavour thingwrong, it is what makes magic work. it isn't just flavour, it SHOULD be function, if each colour actual adheres to the pie. it is nothing but flavour if they keep breaking the colour pie. the colours are representative of the big 5 personality traits used in OCEAN profiling. if you think the colour pie doesn't work, go play or make a different game.
>>92583468because the bridge players are too busy complaining that their mashed potatoes are too hard to put their dentures through.
>>92583468Why don't you fuck off and play bridge if you want to play bridge?
>>92583490But I don't want to play bridge though. And I did have breakfast this morning.
bridge more like shit rofl
>>92583497Well you clearly don't want to play magic. Go try pokemon, it might be more your speed buckaroo.
>>92583456That's only a fallacy if you view that comment in an unreasonably narrow sense.
>>92583432>just remove deck choice/construction (fundamental part of game) and play a very specific mirror match against world champs and it would be 50% winratelmao you are coping. not only would the world champ play it better, but you have to come up with a scenario in which 50% of the game is removed to fit your retarded claim to STILL be unable to prove your point.>>92583497you obviously don't want to play magic, either, yet you are letting it live in your head rent free.
>>92583544Not particularly. Talking about the restrictions of cards that currently exist when the argument was about the existence of the thing that created the limitations they have seems a little silly to me.
has the U/W abuelo's awakening+rakdos joins up combo deck put up any results?it's probably too weak in bo3 (unless you maybe side into mentor g2 banking on them dropping all their killspells??) but it looks funny and cheap
>>92583405you are probably among the most wrong anybody has ever been in one of these threads.if we dont have lands and color restrictions every deck becomes the same, see khans era standard where because of fetches and the battle duals being fetchable, every deck was a 4 color pile babbyjace siege rhino pile
>>92582043Kuldotha red is for monkeys, so go with that. Pauper is a very deep an complicated format, you'll want to practice with the other decks before going to a tournament. Imo gates is the most fun and rewarding to play, but the newly viable golgari dredge is also very nice.
>>92582446I can feel the anger and resentment from both sides just by looking at it
>>92583634>if we dont have lands and color restrictions every deck becomes the sameApart from how you'd still be able to make metagame calls at the deckbuilding stage? Are you really not able to conceptualise? How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning, anon?
>>92583596>this is the second time the legend rule was actually an upside to a combo in the same setgrim
>>92583596wait, what's the combo?
>>92582965a could counter measure, at least for black, is increasing your opponents "cost".Creature enters the game or they cast a spell, they lose life , discard a card, etc. you make them pay. Red has some of those, but reds main stength is rushing the opponent on one mana plays before they get anything on the table.
>>92583740the idea is you bin rakdos joins up and hulking metamorph and then cast abuelo's awakening to target rakdos joins up, and then using that you grab the metamorph and copy RJU which creates an infinite damage loop as they repeatedly recur eachother.
>Every deck would be the same without the colour wheel!Alright lets try a hypothetical here. Lets say the colour wheel vanishes overnight. Everything is gray now. For all intents and purposes every land is just a rainbow land so you can run whatever you want and colours don't matter. Now with that in mind:Improve Modern Burn. Colours don't matter, just make a meaningful alteration to the deck that the deck couldn't already do if it wanted.
>>92583763oh, okay, so like a sharuum loop.
>>92583763you actually always sac the metamorph to the legend rule because RJU needs to stay a creature. the recur trigger doesn't go on the stack before you already have the metamorph back in the grave already so it recurs itself
>>92583731wait whats the first time?
>>925838082x rutstein, rona, relic of legends and tinybones joins up, same idea than with >>92583799 edh slop is truly getting outta hand and legendary status is no longer a bad thing
>>92583783nta and I think I understand what you mean but burn is too narrow of an archetype, what would a deck like yawgmoth look like is a more extreme example maybe?cards like blood moon or boil wouldn't exist is my take
>>92583783>>92583432why do you think this game boils down to burn?
>>92583856>cards like blood moon or boil wouldn't exist is my takeSounds fucking great to me.
>>92583856It's pointless to make arguments about things that currently exist when debating the colour wheel's existence.>>92583879How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning?
>>92583881nah, I like hosers and I hate my opp lands
>>92583904You want to beat your opponent with a gotcha moment instead of playing a game with them.
>>92583898>>92583497>>92583653what the fuck is this schizo breakfast bullshit
>>92583898>It's pointless to make arguments about things that currently exist when debating the colour wheel's existenceso the whole conversation is irrelevant and pointless, got it
the new snapcaster mage got a legacy 5-0, in esper control of all places
>>92583783Why would you use a deck like burn that cares so little about having mana and trims on it's lands all the time as an example for this, you're being entirely dishonest Apply your same thought process to Tron. Tron mana can be used on every spell no matter what. What do you think's going to happen, you broke the game
>>92583923A black guy kept breaking into people's houses as a "prank". When arrested, the police asked him how he'd feel if someone did that to him. He replied that no one broke into his house. Then they asked him how he'd feel if he hadn't had breakfast that morning. He replied that he had in fact had breakfast that morning. He was completely unable to process a hypothetical.
>>92583917yes, I want to destroy their lands and play no win conditions
>>92583939But now we're coming back to trying to shoehorn the current game into a world where the colour wheel isn't a thing and being stunned that it doesn't work. No shit 7 mana on T3 is busted, everyone who doesn't play Tron has been saying that for a really long time.
If every land produced the same mana, imagine what landless dredge would look like
>>92583947>expecting everyone to just understand your retarded reference that is being used to highlight your pointyou are so dumb, it is insane.
>>92583977I've been using 4chan for more than 10 minutes sorry.
>>92583954actually based
>>92583962>But now we're coming back to trying to shoehorn the current game into a worldWhat the fuck do you think modern burn is. It's a deck that exists in the current game world. Why would you be using examples if you don't want examples used against you
>>92583983i've been using it for more than 15 years and i still didn't get your retarded reference, sorry schizo.
>>92583964ok what's best, landless dredge or belcher? I want to go with dred
>>92583993If colour restrictions are such a big deal in Magic tell me how to improve Burn in a world where colour restrictions don't exist.
>>92584007>I can't understand double mana pips, they barely even restrict my deckbuilding!
>>92584027Name me a single card that Burn would mainboard in a world without colour restriction. Come on this is like the third time I've asked and nobody has mentioned a single card.
>>92584036I already told you burn is a very narrow archetype, as well as that other anon did with his tron examplestop being stubborn on purpose
I draft anything else than WG and i go 3-3 at best. What the fuck.
>>92584047ONECARD
>>92584064BURN ISN'T A THING OTHER COLOURS DO ANON ARE YOU REALLY THIS THICK
>>92584036>ah yes, my hypothetical isn't retarded>everyone else is just retarded for not entertaining my hypotheticaleveryone recognizes that you are retarded. there is a difference between mono red burn and boros burn decks, every mono red deck would run helix if there wasn't a deckbuilding cost to needing to run white for helix.
to put it more succinctly, if every other color had it's one mana lightning ball, then burn would play those, all 20 of them
>>92584079Ah so you finally get my point, that the colour wheel already doesn't exist for Burn. How many other decks does the colour wheel not exist for?https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-domain-zoo#paperImprove this decklist in a world where everything is rainbow mana.
>>92584109domain wouldn't be a thing in your hypothetical game, that whole deck and all the cards in it wouldn't exist. holy fuck, you're dumb.
>>92584007Burn is a deck that inherently tries to lower the importance of mana. It's constructed with an extremely low curve and usually dedicates itself to being monocolor. Even then, removing color pips allows you to play premium creatures such as Orcish Bowmasters in a burn deck without having to make any investment to improve your mana base at all Another example, if any deck wants to they can just run Ragavan. They don't have to invest anything into red to run Ragavan. Any card pulled from a Ragavan can be cast. You simply do not understand how magic decks work
Did this guy forget that Orcish bowmasters spawned a fringe mono B burn deck all by themselves
>>92584109is a world where that deck doesn't need leyline or colors for that matter, remove leyline add chrome moxyou can now imprint mox on mox and have it add mana of any color
You can now run thoughtseize, lightning bolt, and explore in every deck because this autist removed colors
>>92584130https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-4-5c-omnath#paperFine then do this one.My point here is that WotC already knows just how bad the colour wheel is for a healthy game and have actively been working to undermine the restrictions it places on colours for a long time. This is why cards are more flexible than ever. This is why they push 3+ colour decks so hard in the format that actually makes them money; so that the colours you play don't lose you the game because your Doom Blade just happens to not be able to target their win condition.
>>92583983it really shows, man. you need to go talk like this to normal people
>>92584189Wow I can't believe I can finally run a deck in Jund colours!
Burn wouldn't exist in a world without color because everyone would be free to side kor firewalkers since there's no WW requirement.
>>92584189finally, I can shove this stupid orc in to my shelly pile
>>92584191So you're trying to prove that colors are irrelevant by posting 4C Omnath, a deck extremely concerned and particular about it's mana base?
>>92584220If red didn't exist Kor Firewalkers wouldn't have a job.
>>92584220there wouldn't be a firewalker because every deck can now force of will anything without color requirement
>>92584220kor firewalkers would be mandatory MD in all decks
>>92584191you dumb fuck, omnath still wouldn't work as a deck. the whole point of omnath is abusing fetchs for landfall triggers. if all mana was always perfect, fetches also wouldn't exist. like, the examples of decks you are giving are the literal worst examples you could give because they are so intrinsic to the colour pie. domain, built around the land types associated with producing the colours you need. omnath, built around fetches which only exist because of the colour pie. mono red burn, explained here >>92584140go back to hearthstone, faggot.
>>92584260Okay then, pick any Modern deck you want and improve it with an off-colour card.
>>92584277Every deck now gets to have force of negations.
>>92584300So?
>>92584313>Name an off color card that would improve a deck>Force of negation for every deck>So?Go eat some eggo, dork.
>>92584313why are you so retarded? what happened in your life that lead you to being so brain damaged? how do you remember to breath?
>>92584191>his goals align with wotc'sLol, you're the exact kind of idiot that they have designing this game. Go play chess if you care so much about getting unlucky.
>>92584277Tron
limited dies
>>92583930I mean, you could really slot any "sometimes gets card advantage" cheap creature in that slot and it would perform pretty much the same with the rest of that list backing it. Legacy is like that. Modern is getting like that too, all of these "sweet new brews" that are 4 ~ 10 cards different from established tier 1 decks...
>>92584318https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-goryo-s-vengeance#paper>Blue deck>Doesn't run Forcehttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-murktide-regent#paper>Blue deck>Doesn't run a set of Forcehttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-4-5c-omnath#paper>Blue deck>Doesn't run Forcehttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-living-end#paper>Blue deck>Doesn't run a set of Forcehttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-mill#paper>Blue deck>Doesn't run Forcehttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-crashing-footfalls#paperFinally anon, a deck with players just as smart as you who realise that when possible you should always run a playset of Force of Negation.Even people not restricted by their deck don't always run it you fool.
For a modern example, Prowess can run any cantrip it wants instead of having to commit to beeing Izzet or Gruul For a pioneer example, Azorius Control can now run thoughtseize and fatal push without having to complicate it's manabaseFor a standard example, Esper Legends can run any legend it wants
>>92584416>For a pioneer example, Azorius Control can now run thoughtseize and fatal push without having to complicate it's manabaseJust so you know now, Modern control decks were UW for years despite a 3 colour mana base being very easy. They could've run Thoughtseize and Push at any time but didn't not because they couldn't, but because they didn't work in the deck.
>>92584388>Only one of those decks don't run a copy of forceWhat are you trying to prove hereNot every card needs to be a playset to be goodDo you just have no idea how a deck is built
>>92584388they don't run force because it is hard to cast it for free when so much of their deck is NOT blue. in your hypothetical world with the colour pie (not colour wheel, you fucking tourist) abolished, FoN would just ask for a nonland card to be exiled. every deck would run it then. colour restrictions are still limiting force, but you don't even play the game so you don't actually understand what you are talking about.>>92584435they didn't work in the deck because it is a real cost commiting to the mana fixing, you dumb fuck.
>>92584416>For a standard example, Esper Legends can run any legend it wants>playing raffine with inti>mfw
>>92584435Why do you think they don't want to go esperIt's a deck building cost you dumb fuck
>>92584189People at /mtgg/ don't really play magic or understand the game.
This entire debate hinges on the idea that player's cards randomly not working somehow adds to gameplay, an idea born from the same mind as the guy who who thought rarity would keep powerful cards in check, or that you can run as many copies of Black Lotus as you like.>>92584479>Why do you think they don't want to go esperBecause Thoughtseize and Fatal Push are not cards UW Control's gameplan wants. Two separate Modern UW players at my LGS had the completely genius and revolutionary idea of adding black to their decks for Thoughtseize and Push. A couple weeks later they were back on straight UW because they got sick of Thoughtseize doing nothing in the midgame and Fatal Push not working against Primeval Titan.
>>92584469Disgusting.
I started playing last week and just made to mythic with my janky red deck! Am I good at the game now? Not gonna lie I thought MTG would be harder than Hearthstone but it really wasn't
>>92584589You need 4 Monstrous Rage.
>>92584599It's just the cards I have
>>92584604you can't play this game then, quit now
do you think they'll ever print interaction for static abilities
>>92584589Mythic is not a question of skill faggot-kun, is just a matter of time.
>>92584632it's worded "loses all abilities"
>>92584388Not only do multiple of those decks run FoN, but the reason why the ones that don't don't are because they don't run enough blue cards. What happens when that's no longer a factor, dipshit? And before you accuse me of cherrypicking, these are the default lists that the site put up.
>>92584655Force of Negation says that it exiles a noncreature spell. It doesn't say it wins the game on the spot. Lets just clear that one up since you seem confused.
>>92584575>This entire debate hinges on the idea that player's cards randomly not working somehow adds to gameplaythey do. after removing colours, you would claim lands and mana themselves are a hindrance. then you would claim sorcery speed is a hinderance. having costs and needing to think about those costs are what make interesting gameplay. but again, you every clearly don't actually play the game. you want garry's mod gameplay but will claim you want chess.
>>92584575>Two separate Modern UWWe're talking about pioneer not modern you idiot. UW control isn't even a real deck in modern. How fucking stupid are you.
>>92584575>player's cards randomly not workingWhat the fuck are you talking about? When you cast a card you don't flip a coin if it resolves.
>>92584682When you put a card like Doom Blade in your deck you're flipping a coin as to whether your opponent will play black creatures. THAT is my problem.
>see guy win challenge with UB affinity right after it happens>oh that deck looks cool, i wonder how much the 40k cards are>oh pic related is just $3 at my lgs, ill get some the next time i go in>check price again today>$35 each
>>92584637sure, but I'm talking more like>all players gain an emblem with target permanent's static abilities>double target permanent's static abilities until end of turn>all static keyword abilities cost {1} to activate and deactivate at the end of turnthere would probably need to be some rule changes, but it's design space they haven't touched yet
>>92584672You posted 6 decks that "don't run force" as an example and 4 of them run force. I never said they won the game on the spot either, I said they would be an instant staple across decks because having to have another U card in hand no longer means anything so everyone has a free negate.
>>92584703it was when artifacts would turn off while tapped, quickly people like >>92584692 hated on it and got removed
>>92584704I'm not even going to acknowledge the idea that Force is a 100% auto include in every deck capable of running it.
>>92584725Your own example proved you wrong lmao
>>92584730>I SAID FORCE IS AN AUTO INCLUDE YOU STUPID POOPYHEAD SO SHUT UP BECAUSE YOU'RE WRONG LMAOOOOOThis is what you sound like to me.
>>92584589>>474707468
>When you put a card like Doom Blade in your deck you're flipping a coin as to whether your opponent will play black creatures. THAT is my problem.This is the level of retard you're dealing with
>>92584692Wow you're so smart for figuring that out. Maybe you can think a couple steps further about the implications of that if you really try
>>92584692>run a card with a condition>condition sometimes applies>WTF BROS THE SYSTEM IS FLAWED
>>92584756Concession received You will be informed later if the concession has been accepted
>>92584763The only conclusion to draw is that Magic is a guessing game where players constantly lose despite making no quantifiable mistakes based on all the information they had. Hindsight isn't a skill nor should it be treated as one.
>>92584692retard. maybe you lose the game, but then you sideboard out the cards that were dead and side in cards that will work. that's how it works. you are the reason people complain about arena babbies in these threads, because you shit it all up under your BO1 assumptions, because arena pushes BO1 for ranked instead of telling their players to learn how to sideboard. your complaint isn't even just about colours, it is about any restrictions at all. you want every card to do everything. if it wasn;t colours as your boogeyman, you would complain that counterspells and kill spells are different, you should just be able to exile creatures and spells with the same card because it feels bad having a card that only answers creatures or noncreatures.someone go remake the general on /vg/ so you can keep burning that thread instead of coming here to shit up this thread.
>hmm, black seems to be a major player in the game, should I consider removal other than doom blade>nah fuck that Do you seethe at hexproof too?
>>92584759Damn I can't link other boards? Anyway the arena thread is back up
>>92584786>My Opponent plays black creatures, doomblade is useless*sideboards out doomblade and brings in cards relevant to the matchup*>Wow those next two games went really well after I had the necessary information and took the cards that weren't useful out of my deck
>>92584783The card with the condition is 2 mana. The card without the condition is 3 mana. Which should you run? There's no way to truly know, but because Magic's resource system is so restrictive you're usually better off running the 2 mana card with a condition because at least you might be able to play it before dying.
>>92584814You run the card with 2 mana and put in alternatives in the side board in case it comes up you half wit.
>>92584804you need to do it like this>>>/vg/474707468
>>92584826Thanks I am retarded
Here comes the sideboard club to act like the game's worst bandaid for its shit design is some brilliant strategical play.
>doesn't know about sideboarding>doesn't know about deckbuilding with the current metagame in mindThis guy is 100% an edhonly who drew into dead removal.
>>92584814>Card that costs less... le goodWhat next genius, drawing cards win you the game?
>>92584845Spotted the bad player.
>Magic is dying, what should we do?>I know, lets defend its current state harder!pfffaaahahaha fucking guys, holy shit you're the funniest
>>92584850edhonly or arena babby. either way, he's got other threads he needs to be in.
>>92584867The reason why the current state is what it is is BECAUSE of bending the color pie to appease dummies like you.
>>92584867defending the colour pie is not defending magic's current state, retard. in fact, it is the opposite. too much of current magic is about bending/breaking the colour pie for edh players who cry that their black deck can't remove enchantments or that their white deck doesn't have ramp.
>If mana didn't have color, people would play doomblade over murderWhat is this guy even talking about
>>92584879The current state of competitive Magic happened because of violations of tempo, NOT violations of colour. You think being Griefed twice on turn one has anything to do with fucking colour? Fuck outta here.
>>92584891I'm trying to argue what could have been, and I'm being shouted down by people pointing at what is.
>sideboarding is actually bad design you guys no b8
>>92584867Magic is dying because they have implemented the changes that guys like you want them to. The soul has been ripped out of the game by low iq autists
>>92584898Yes, it doesGrief requires you to pitch black cards to evoke itIf every card counts as black, suddenly ever hand is a good scam hand, every hand can pitch for subtlety, every hand can pitch for solitude. There is no concern for pitch ratios at allYou are removing one of the biggest consistency valves in the game and allowing all the decks you're complaining about to fuck your ass every turn every gameYou simply don't know how magic works, at all
>>92584945You don't understand how resources work if you don't know why 2 mana is inherently better than 3 mana
>>92584867you are the cause this fucking game is dying coomander faggot.
>>92584948Sideboarding is a bandaid to cover up the fact that your opponent can present you with a problem that your deck can't conceivably overcome.>>92584955It's dying because it's expensive and the gameplay is fucking dogshit because value has been pushed to the utter limits owing to how the game's longtime established templates regarding value-for-mana have been sodomised.
>>92584945You are trying to argue what you think the game should be because you're shit at what the game is and being called a retard because you want to change everything into goodstuff soup since you couldn't doom blade a B creature.
>>92584976>Sideboarding is a bandaidno, I have no respect for such opinion
>>92584980>goodstuff soupMy brother in Christ decks would change very little if all colours were removed outside extreme examples like Tron that shouldn't be legal in the first place. Every archetype is already running all the shit that it fucking wants.>Oh boy, no more colours, finally my Merfolk deck can run all of those sweet BR merfo->Oh wait THEY DON'T EXISTYou're basically arguing that archetypes can't exist in a game without a colour wheel variant.
>>92584999You have already been given multiple examples of why you're wrong and you are STILL being this retarded And your suggestion makes no sense in the context of your goals, decks are too consistently good so lets make them even more consistently good? How did this ever make sense in your head?
>>92584999>tribes wouldn't be 5 color changeling slopmy gawds
>>92584999Merfolk would absolutely run cards it can't now, such as collected company
>>92585042There's nothing stopping Merfolk from running Company right now you know. It's just not good enough for the deck.
>>92585031The central point that makes sense to me is that the colour wheel adds nothing beneficial to gameplay.
>>92585060Having to run G lands and deal with bolting yourself to fetch a shockland and introducing that mana variance is absolutely a part of the reason why CoCo isn't good in a tribal deck that consists entirely of 3 or less drops.
>>92585075>colour wheelyou are tourist and need to get out. you do not play the game outside of a few BO1 games in arena.
>>92585080Merfolk is an aggro deck, it doesn't care about Bolting itself. What it does care about is being fast, and Company is not a fast card at all. The deck is running running another low cost Merfolk than running Company.>But Company is such good value!Back to the EDH thread with ye.
>>92585096*better running
Ignore bad opinions from no Magic PlayersHype Bloomburrow.
>>92585075You have been told multiple times about the things it's keeping in check and the only argument you have is to willfully ignore realityYes, it would be a bad thing for every deck to be able to run Ragavan and Bowmasters with no investment at all to their mana base Like you don't know how decks are built at all, that's how dumb this is
>>92585096>we should get rid of the colour pie and make all decks be able to have all the answers>but YOU need to go back to the edh thread
>>92585096>it doesn't care about Bolting itselfIt does when it has to beat Burn in less than 4 turns.
>>92585106no, i hype only one thing at this point.
>>92585114>>92585113>Merfolk can't add a 2nd colour because Bolting yourself is too much>BUT SPIRITS CAN ADD A THIRD COLOUR JUST FOR COMPANY BECAUSE SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UPPlay the game for two fucking seconds. I did and its issues were really obvious.
>>92585132yeah, we know you played for two fucking seconds. two seconds is not enough to understand the game though. and if you have such a problem with it, why are you here complaining about it when you could be filling your time with something more constructive? go do something positive, holy shit.
I'm casting pearls before swine, holy shit. Please get into game design so I can watch you fail.
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>>92584999>my brother in christ>is retardedChecks out
>>92585106no, 2024 is leap year
