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>>92589177
Honestly Butte Hold could use a goddess of agriculture and commerce on their side..

>>92589177
>Conquerors of Terra edition

VVhy?

>>92589177
wondet if the fluff was loose enough for you to be able to make /yourdudes/ (minor) clan

>>92589420
A few people have custom clans, but yeah they generally go straight into AU territory.

If the Clans had some sort of subunit that had distinct cultures, like if everyone had the Fire Mandrill kindraa system, that'd give a lot more creative freedom.

>>92589420
>>92589452
I remember somebody here posting about their ideas of having a bunch of minor clans around the outskirts of the system and Trials Of Founding or something like that, so that you had smaller clans constantly coming and going. Seemed kinda neat, but pure fanfic. Canon wise you are fucked like a cosplay hooker at an anime convention

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>>92589177
>Conquerors of Terra
For now

How many mechs have 4 gauss rifles

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What goes on here?

>>92589517
two annihilators and a crucible variant

>>92589533
Yeah its the crucible i was thinking of, nasty

>>92589530
Candace letting her people be ruled by crazy people because she feel in love with an enemy spy.

>>92589533
>>92589557
The Crucible is an objectively worse Hellstar.

>>92589655
yeah
well
gauss rifles are cool

>>92589530
free spess tibet

>>92589533
other than those, which mech can have 3 gauss/ac20?

>>92589821
Dire Wolf can do it without any trouble. Hauptmann too I think.

In fact, a Dire Wolf can carry 4, but doesn't have much space left for ammo.

>>92589517
All of mine

how the fuck freaking targeting computer weighs a ton or more? do they make computer with uranium or something?

>>92589512
Just wait 50-100 years and you'll have WoBbies mechanical divisions coming out from nowhere in a reverse REVIVAL and Clan Wolf won't even know what hit 'em
I mean, they already have sustainable super-jumps, functional robotic battle armour and non-smart AI, what can the Wolf do? Pray for more plot armour?

>>92589821
Thunder hawk runs three gauss

>>92589935
Pair the Wobbies returning with the scorpion empire deciding to actually do something, and I think that could make for a fun time.

OK guys do you like the version that is a warhammer rip off or the version where you have to track pilots bladder fill rate?
lol.
lmao.

>>92589923
It's just a game, none of this makes sense if you try to apply irl logic to it. The targeting computer is good, so it has to cost a ton, that's all there is to it.

Friendly reminder if any of these mechs existed they wouldn't be able to function under their own weight and just sink into the ground rendering them useless.

How does that make you feel?

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>>92587654
>reposting
Anon only posts newly painted mechs, you sound like one of the aforementioned insufferables.
Probably the very one that keeps getting banned for starting a shitpost fest of seething every time Nazi anon posts new mechs.

>>92589509
>>92589452
>>92589420

Closet I could imagine is going full Burrock and playing Dark Caste, since ex-Clanner pirates do seem to be a thing. But your only job then is to die to the other clans.

>>92589982
I don't know, the mechs are ludicriously lightweight in the setting. The heaviest you can go is 100 tons, which is only about the weight of a house or like a locomotive. Heavy, but not absurdly so. Pretty sure there were walking dinosaurs that got near that heavy, and German tanks too.

>post-helm upgrade
>it replaces the autocannon with a PPC or a gauss
I know they're better but doesn't it just feel soulless?

>>92590113
Not being lostech seems lame too.

>>92590075
Playing Dark Caste/Pirates seems a good option, though. You aren't slaved to retarded Clan conventions, you can easily justify all the kind of unicorns you want with salvage or warrior realizing the free life is better than retirement at 25, and with a shitton of Inner Sphere Clans you can essentially do what your want. Excellent example of Your Dudes.
Do we even have any idea of Dark Caste paint schemes?

>>92590179
>retirement at 25
If that is what you want to call solahma.

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>>92590179

I would guess that Dark Caste might in later stages adopt Burrock paint schemes as a "fuck you" to everyone else. Unfortunately, the closest guess we have to a Burrock paint scheme now is the yellow-fade-to-orange of Upsilon galaxy.

In earlier ages probably just black or other piratey colours.

>>92589976
No, you're thinking of "The Campaign for North Africa; the desert war, 1940-1943"

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>>92590300

>>92589977
You know, for 5 tons I'd expect more than 256 colors.

>92590066
>posts the same photo of the same 12 mechs for over a month supposedly put of spite
>ThOsE aRe NeWlY pAiNtEd MeChS

>>92589530
All I know about it is Kai Gaylord Gayliao (he's butt gay for Davions)

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>>92589452
>>92589509

What kind of confuses me is that Clans can apparently just like, die off entirely.

But how does that happen? I don't mean like, how does another clan destroy or steal all their shit and people.

But like, in the Inner Sphere, mercenary companies or units depend more on will than anything else to keep them around. As we've seen, if enough faggots decide to say they're redoing the Grey Death Legion, its a thing again in the dark age. Literally just takes a relatively tiny amount of people to opt in.

And considering the Clans are basically nations for their people, how could you possibly instantly kill that, without a bunch of guys in the deep or near periphery, or wandering around going "Oh yeah, we're fucking Clan Whatever". Not like they have their parent clan around to stop them anymore.

Same reasoning applies to the Periphery too. "Oh we lost some planets? Guess the Circinus Federation/RWR just doesn't exist anymore." Not Balkanizing, just flat out "we decide to un-country ourselves."

>>92590339
You are conflating two anons. German-anon posts only new mechs, and creates seethe because the first batch of those mechs was Red Baron/Nazi inspired. Shitty-paintjobs-with-no-basing-anon only post the same 12 mechs from the 4 Inner Sphere Urban Lance boxes he bought, and creates disappointment and laughter because he is obviously extremely butt-hurt that people called him out on his mid painting skills and told him to improve.

>>92590179
Apparently Dark Caste will use Clan Widowmaker schemes and symbols as a kind of fuck you to the established Clans - makes sense the symbol of the Clan that killed Nicholas Kerensky would be like a Jolly Roger - like other anon mentioned you could borrow other dead Clan colors and symbols, but it's really vague.
Far as I understand Dark Caste are in a weird spot somewhere between being pirates, and being poor people living in slums and camps on the outskirts of Clan society. It's not impossible for Clan warriors to visit the Dark Caste or make use of them for dirty work, so it's not like Inner Sphere pirates hiding out on distant planets. They're either raiding or trying to make a quick buck, since they aren't getting the state-mandated necessities anymore. Some Dark Caste are freeborn warriors or other types tired of the rules with decent gear, others are guys on motorcycles with bolt action rifles and crude SRM launchers.

>>92589935
>what can the Wolf do
Turn ecm from off to on.

>>92590372
No one wants to be a clanner except a clanner. Its retard Spartan LARPing. Some guy with a molon abe sticker on his 75k pickup truck didnt grow up naked in barracks and having to steal to eat. Being a clanner sucks donkey balls. And if you aint a real clanner, its easier and kewler to be the periphery pirates or caesars leejun or the wolf reavers if you absolutely need to be a furry

What general IS opinion on clans? Do they want them to fuck off back to deep periphery? I imagine Lyrans don't like them for occupying shitton of their planets.

>>92590372
The issue is that the clans were set up very different to nations. A nation exists because a sufficient body of people exist in an area, and wish pursue their interests in spite of or at the expense of a similar body of people. If a nation is conquered by another nation deemed not in their interest, people would rebel, or balkanize, or start revolutions, etc. The clans were set up from the beginning to be more akin to highly independent political parties with in a single state, rather than 20 different nations. The end goal is to end up with the best political party left standing, who would win the right to rule over all the other clans.

This is part of why Clans can go extinct, because they were planned to go extinct. It may be very painful, it may cause members of the extinct Clan to go Dark Caste, but this is how the system was intended to function. Even if a Clan were to try and go into the Deep Periphery and say "We're the reborn Clan Gerbil," All the other clans would immediately dog pile them, because they aren't playing by the rules, they lost fair and square, and unless you can prove some sort of dishonorable conduct in your clans absorption/destruction, you forfeit any right to play for ilClanship by the virtue of your disregard for the rules. And anyone sufficiently burned to go Dark Caste probably doesn't want to remake their Clan, as they've caught on to the huge amounts of bullshit required to be a Clanner.

Would I like to see a reborn Clan Burrock that are just extremely successful/untrustworthy mercenaries? Yeah. But they wouldn't be a Clan in the Clanner's sense of the word. Just a bunch of really high tech raiders/guns for hire with some esprite-de-corp.

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>>92590372
The Grey Death Legion is different, CGL regreted losing a popular fac- I mean, a sizable chunk of a former RCT, with techs and all, defecting is probably the best mercenary start you could have.
Clans have a whole honor system going on, but even if remnants wanted to break it, being a Clan requires bloodlines, bloodnames, castes to support your warrior caste. A society built around supporting the warrior caste means the warriors will crumble without other castes support and vice versa. Survivors like the Jade Falcons in the hinterlands or the Clan Protectorate require compromises just to keep going, what are a few stars going to do without a larger Clan to support them?
"No one can stop us from calling ourselves Clan X" has the obverse argument, that being Clan X doesn't mean anything without respect, purpose, the legitimacy that comes with abiding by honor rules.
The Circinus Federation was left a wreck after the Wobbies tried to use it as a last ditch base and got slapped. It was farmers unions welded together under a bandit kingdom, without the latter the former just separated. RWR was smashed by the Star League and Lyrans, and any successor states that tried to grow were smashed down again (Finmark Free Republic), so only pirates or subsistence farming planets could survive, again.

>>92590490

Isn't this just what the Spirit Cats are? A bunch of Clanners from a dead clan saying they are a clan and making it happen?

>>92590475
Some tiny percentage of retards do. Im sure there are some inner sphere incels with guns who idolize the clans because the state would finally give them a hot sibko sister to fuck

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>>92590492
I do want to note that this whole idea can be turned on its ear. Clan Stone Lion exists because Clan Star Adder said so and enough Hells Horses survived to become it. There was absolutely no precedent for a new Clan being made post-Kerensky, but it happened.
As long as someone wants to revive a Clan and puts in the effort, it could be done. Take the Blood Spirits. Their genetic legacies were buried in rubble, not literally destroyed. Someone could dig them up and try to revive the Clan.

>>92590580
Jaguars are done. So is the unnamed clan.

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So after my game Sunday I decided to take the next step and work on some metal details with my mechs. I'm happy with how it's turning out but I have questions for you guys.

Is the paint SCHEME pretty decent? OR should I add more Fire Orange patches to the designs? Or pick a tertiary color like Black instead?

>>92590589
wolverine's death was never confirmed, it has been a completely unexplained loose end ever since they raided kurita space and disappeared forever

>>92590618
incandescent yellow, yellow cake trim on the orange flashes, or GOLD.

sapphire blue for cockpits?

>>92590589
Jaguars, unfortunately, are back. Thanks Fidelis.

>>92590580
The issue is that Stone Lion didn't come into existence purely through Hell's Horses wanting it to happen. Brett Andrews said they didn't have to die for disgusting IS dealings, and Star Adder gave them a pass to do their own thing. If you were a Clanner, you could make the argument that the Stone Lions are not a NEW Clan, they are a PURIFIED Clan, free of the dezgra association with those who bear their old name. They get a pass because the Homeworlds Hells Horses played by the rules.

If this sounds pedantic and retarded, you're catching on fast.

>>92590375
I doubt anon will ever accept the facts, the screecher(s) have built a bogeyman image in their heads of simultaneous devious maliciousness and laughable incompetence that they MUST cling to for the sake of their fragile and easily offended ego(s)

>>92590618
Paint scheme is great, your assymetric orange that isn't everywhere avoids the TMNT look, you just need to polish it off with blacklining/recess-washing and highlights now.

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>>92590694
>somehow smoke jaguar returned
>somehow amaris returned
>somehow kerensky(junior and senior) returned
>somehow WoB returned
>somehow the camerons returned
>somehow clan wolverine returned
>somehow the tetatae returned

>>92590760
If only this map was accurate.

>>92590836
It is fine as of the latest date, 3067.

>>92590644
>>92590694
>>92590760

I may be hallucinating this, but wasn't there a recent sourcebook or story where it mentioned that among Clan Wolf there was clamouring to resurrect more dead clans beyond Jaguar? If this does exist can anyone point me to it?

If Clan Wolf did trot out some remaining bloodname people to make a new pet clan, which do you think would have the most historical impact to impress the other clanners? If they remade Nova Cat how fucked is the Clan Protectorate?

>>92590760
>amaris secretly build 10000 space mirrors somewhere in deep periphery

>>92590425
Apparently the automaton BA done by the contemporary WoBbies don't any any problems from ECM, if I read Ghosts right.
>>92590386
That would be fun. I don't have any Clan units, but a Dark Caste OpFor for funsies would be neat.

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>>92590931
>Apparently the automaton BA done by the contemporary WoBbies don't any any problems from ECM, if I read Ghosts right.
Well if they take those advances to the smart robotics system they might be able to et somewhere with a droid army. Not sure how they are going to get heavy industry in whatever godforsaken hole they have hidden themselves in.

>>92589512
Is there a higher res version of this image?

>>92590694
How did they recover destroyed gene seed? Or just larpers?

>>92591004
>gene seed?
Go back.

>>92590868
They've already done Jaguar, the Clan defeated by the Inner Sphere. A clan that was destroyed before ever reaching the Inner Sphere would show their power, if they could find the genetics for it. Blood Spirits or Fire Mandrills. Maybe even Steel Viper, even though they obviously reached the Inner Sphere, they finally get to live their supposed destiny.
I know a few Mongoose bloodnames survive among Clan Wolf and Jade Falcon, that was a surprise to me. But I doubt anyone would really care if they came back.

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>>92591004
>gene seed
Again, thanks Fidelis.

>>92591032

Not that anon, but people with Steel Viper blood names whining that they want their clan back to the Wolves sounds familiar. I don't think its a sourcebook thing but I may be wrong.

>>92591032
>that was a surprise to me.
Clan Wolf regularly engaged in Trials of Possession for ownership of bloodlines they deemed superior.

>>92591046
I read the wiki it doesnt say how the bloodline genetic stock made it. Did the trial of refusal just shrug as comstar stole it all?

>>92591061
The ideology of the Kerensky's includes a big bit about "waste not, want not"
Destroyed clans will be picked apart by their peers for anything that can be salvaged.

>>92591097
Didnt IS shrek them? I thought only survivors and materiel made it, with a soecific target being the clan genetic stock. Thats what they keep saying in the novels anyway

>>92591105
Destruction was not instantaneous and simultaneous across all of the clan and their holdings.

>>92590490
>>92590492

Yeah, the Smoke Jaguars pretty much disprove all of this with Moon. You literally just need one guy dedicated to keeping a clan alive apparently.

True, he had the RoS, but you could probably go to any IS power and claim that if they let you sleep on their couch you'll eventually give them a pet clan.

>>92591110
Isn't the stock only on Huntress? That's what they kept saying in the novels. The whole point was that it was a war of survival.

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>>92591162
Owens

>>92591061
You don't need all the genetics for a Clan to have a Clan. Fidelis had a number of survivors, at least a few of them bloodnamed.
Hell, think about how Clans capture bondsmen and isorla all the time. The Fidelis survivors could have been given other Clanners captured by Clan Wolf, or Inner Sphere bondsmen that in theory could found new bloodname houses the way the Kells did.

>>92591155
You can restore the stock from the genes of anyone made from the stock, there are multiple canon survivors and numerous instances of inner sphere victors taking isorla bondsmen, like Victor Steiner-Davion and his Elemental waifu.

>>92591171
How many do you need for a clan? If that's the standard, you can just take freeborn, earn them bloodnames, and poof new clan.

Also, wouldn't all bloodname kitties who survived the trial of refusal be dezgra for eternity? They got btfo by the faggots that Kerensky specifically made their society to beat.

>>92591162

Raptor Maybe?

>>92590991
You build heavy industry with the robot heavy industry and you get more robot heavy industry. Remember that the Inner Sphere is retarded and can't build anything as long as the writers remember it.
Won't be the first time the WoBbies summon divisions out of thin air!
>>92591171
Now the true question: who's the real Jade Falcon clan, the guys lapping at Alaric's feet or the guys keeping their capital world and three other planets? Clan coherency must be one hell of a bitch.

>>92591169
Looks more like a Raptor. Owens is the omni-Jenner.

>>92591251
There is no robot heavy industry. That was on a hidden world they abandoned.

>>92591251
>Clan coherency must be one hell of a bitch.
Just keep your mechs within 2 inches of each other. It isnt hard.

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>>92591248
The thing is this pic comes from the 3025 house kurita book

>>92591162
>What mech is this supposed to be?
I always thought it was a Flea or Firefly - something small with a bunch of plinking weapons whose range doesn't exceed 90 meters.

>>92591363
It's a flea.

>>92591143
I mean, the one guy who actually made SCJ II happen was Alaric, who now declares himself King of Space, able to do whatever the fuck he wants (according to him, anyways). And nobody really respects him. The IS are more concerned with their own problems, save Marik and Liao who are carving up his territory. The Home Clans don't respect him, so they won't listen to him. And even the Sphere Clans don't like him over much. If Alaric and the Wolf Empire died tomorrow, the Spotted Wolves would be mega boned.

The Jags and Lions are examples of a Clan in a position of power bringing back a Clan when it suits them, not a grass roots revival of a nation state despite the wishes of those ruling over them.

>>92590513
Nova Cats never died out and the Spirit Cats never claimed to be anything except a sub-group of Nova Cats.

Do the drone control cockpits have any special rules or considerations? Or were they just a one-off thing for the halloween adventure?

>>92591468
Gonna need a little more info from you. Are you talking about autonomous robot controllers or the ability to tele operate a mech?

Is there any future major plot you'd like to see after ilClan ends?

I'd unironically would like for a direct Cameron descendant or someone claiming to be one (maybe it's just a WoB Remnant last hurrah) coming in and starting a new civil war. No super tech, just a few ships of supposed Blackwatch descendants with some SL era Royal mechs with knight stylings, but his call for action and return to the original, mythical to most people SL era tearing the new peace apart. The Houses wouldn't care but the more idealistic common soldier probably would, while the Clans would be torn between their idolization of Kerensky and their idealization of the Star League. He'd probably die by the end, but would fuel a new conflict across the whole Inner Sphere.

>>92591597
I'd like to redo everything after wars of reaving. THere's a good reason why everyone like Succession Wars, Clan Invasion, and Dark Age eras best.

>>92591597
>after ilClan ends
That it never begins and the mary sue furry fanfic insert is scrubbed from the IP

>>92591597
I want to see the whole sphere treated like the homeworlds and forgotten and a new arc take place somewhere way the fuck off in the deep periphery with an entire new set of nations and personalities.

>>92591637
No, but they do like the Jihad.

>>92591648
Lol, no.
3067 is the end of the acceptable timeline

>>92591677
And the dubs have it!

>>92591597
Periphery Wars. The warring in the Sphere against the IlClan and each other has left the Successor States vulnerable to the Periphery Powers, who begin to make inroads into traditionally Spheroid held worlds. This leads to a series of back and forth engagements where the Periphery gets checked, but are all in better positions than before. Meanwhile there are the beginnings of new Deep Periphery states further out, to both expand the setting and allow for the same feel as old School Periphery if that is your thing.

It probably shouldn't happen, but it would be cool to see.

>>92591597

I'd like a conflict where there's actual clear political gains and considerations rather than just retards smashing their warcrimes against each other, and where we can mix things up.

i.e. Sengoku Jidai but Kuritan. the Dracs have a proper civil war, not that gay Nova Cat killing nonsense, between pro and anti Black Dragon Candidates. Their neighbours and even further states send in forces to support various contenders while mercs go wild.

>>92591636
Not a bad idea actually. Or, I'd like to see more Periphery realms emerge, and the Inner Sphere start sticking their dicks in them even if not getting directly involved.

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>>92591728
It cant happen. No periphery power is strong enough to do that. One of the two strongest isnt even truly a periphery power anymore, just a satrapy of the CC. Would reverse reunification war be neat? Yes. Can it happen? Only if they reach into the interdimensional mech warehouse. Which, they have done before. I do wish they would stop.

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>>92591772
>i.e. Sengoku Jidai but Kuritan. the Dracs have a proper civil war, not that gay Nova Cat killing nonsense, between pro and anti Black Dragon Candidates. Their neighbours and even further states send in forces to support various contenders while mercs go wild.
As long as this serves the ends of the Dragon.

>>92591162
Flea

>>92591791

The Combine really needs a new gimmick now that the Cappies stole their schtick of evil Asians.

>>92591877
Not really. Its the faction for mustache twirlers and weebs. Not chinkaboos and fiat huffers.

>>92589517
Rifleman III

Are any of the upcoming packs gonna have another Trebuchet in them?

>>92590661
Already doing Fire Red for cockpits

>>92591917
>>92591791

Am I weird for liking the dracs, but wishing we got more info on feudal groups under them like the Azami rather than the weeb stuff?

>>92592297
No

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Why don't more C3M carriers take an ECM suite? You can switch it to ECCM mode and raugh at your now unjammable network

>>92592297
Yes. Weird AND bad.

All the politics aside, would anon say Catalyst Game Labs is managing the game and property well? Anyone want the game to stay with them or wish it would be handed off?

>>92592536
They are hit or miss. Hinterlands stuff is good but most Wolf stuff is some of the worst BT ever written. Lots of good looking models in plastic and prices aren't outrageous. I would hit them for using KS so much but apparently those are ending because the plastic models made so much money they can do normal production. I am not sure of anyone I would want it handed off to. If CGL crashed and burned tomorrow I wouldn't expect any existing company to buy the rights, it would probably be bought by a company spun off by some CGL employees.

>>92592536
Dead IP is best IP, the only thing of competence right now is shimmy designs, and that could be done independent same as all the STL makers.
In fact a dead IP would cause a bloom in the art of models as independents could more openly sell their own work without cause to worry about legal reprisal.

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>>92592470
It's not the master you have to worry about, it's the spotter. The spotter is the one getting close and feeding the network the targeting data, and many slaved mechs do have ECM. If an ECM machine has gotten close enough to you to be scrambling the master, something is wrong.

Also, you run into the "You ECCM my ECM? Well I ECCCM your ECCM!" "Oh yeah, well I ECCCCM your ECCCM!" and down the spiral you go.

>>92592598
How does boosted C3 fit into this?

>>92592598
Calvin Ball is the game of annoying primary school brats with no friends.

>>92592598
>Not using the master as the spotter

>>92592536
>Pros:
Actual BT product out put is good. Say what you want about Shimmy redesigns having no sovl, but they are easy to paint and easy to buy, which is huge for wargaming. Yes, you can play with buttons and coins as long as you know facing, but people want to have their mechs in their paint schemes when they play. Maps are also very good. 19/20 times you can tell what a Hex is just at a glance, which makes for good play. Neoprenes are also sex.

>Cons:
Fluff is shit. This is not a new thing for BT, but my God, anything to do with Clans these days is written badly. Ghost Bear Civil War in particular was the big dumb. And it's kind of hard to move away from Clan stories when the main faction of the era is, well, Clan Wolf.

Public relations are also bad. Full stop, no politisperging, but the way CGL has handled controversy is not good. This is not exclusively a Rem problem, the poor handling of controversy was before her, but there have been several more incidents, and each seem to make more detractors, and give them just that much ammunition. It's not so bad that it will seriously hurt the company, but if the ship doesn't tighten up fast, there could be serious public relations problems for CGL.

Over all, I would say CGL is doing far more good than harm, however they are fast running out of the grace period that "we're just a small company" buys you. I also can't think of another company that I would rather hand the license off to at this point. All things said, 7/10 job, I will watch with intrest.

>>92592814
>Ghost Bear Civil War in particular was the big dumb.
They held a vote and decided to take the knot.

>>92592779
TAG, you're it, amirite?

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>>92592687
No clue.

>>92592748
Hey, Calvin Ball has many good friends. Apologize to him.

>>92592779
As much fun as Bishamon maxing is, it is very hard to get that thing close enough to be an effective spotter while also not being so close that the entire OpFor just felts it instantly and destroys your gimmick.

>>92592594
You can already make models for the hundreds of thousands (millions?) of dead intellectual properties. The reason you don't is because no one plays them, you mental midget. Die.

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>>92589177
It has been 10 (ten) threads since MadCat Clan Fag has refused to answer my BatChall

>>92591597
I said this last thread but I'll say it again, The Reunited Concordat restarts Periphery colonization and fucks off into the inky black because reasons. Far Looker bros, let's be so back.

>>92592493
>>92592327

The duality of Battletech.

>>92592297
I wonder what groups you could have beyond the Azami, they seem to be the go-to whenever you need non-weeb Dracs.

I'd be interested in any Hogs that got shafted by the bears (wealthy nobles?) who moved back to Drac space to seethe about the clanners. I think there's been some reference to Russians out near the Periphery too, including Russian Jews (despite the Combine hating Abrahamic religions).

>>92593110
>Combine hating Abrahamic religions
I'm not surprised. They deserve what the Clans did to them, and they now deserve a Davion Crusade backlash for taking New Avalon.

Deus Vult!

>>92591206
Kerensky didn't design Clan society to "beat" the Inner Sphere, he designed it to be better than the Inner Sphere on a moral level -- mainly, by shielding the non-military parts of society from the immediate destructive effects of war. The extent to which he succeeded in that endeavor is debatable.

If Kerensky had designed a society to "beat" the Inner Sphere, presumably he would have designed a society with no compunctions about using their massive WarShip advantage to glass anyone who got between them and Terra. He didn't.

As for the Smoke Jaguars being dezgra, of course they were. That probably has something to do with why they hid themselves for just under a century, until such a time that they could be officially redeemed by a supposedly legitimate authority (Alaric "Mary Sue" Ward) and step back into the light.

>>92592814
I'm the anon that asked to genuinely know. Currently my feelings are based off how they handle controversy, like the weird, robotic blocking on twitter and the creepy Pardoe/Faith thing, my feeling is to just not support them, and STL/PDF the game for myself, as well as listen to books for free

But damn do I want the minis, because they're affordable, and CGL keeps doing shit like humble bundles that make it cheap to engage for newcomers. But I'm still just going to print and pdf for now because I don't want to support them. But if anons think they're OK then that must mean something.

I think there should be an online Battletech game with the Star Citizen engine

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>>92592687
>How does boosted C3 fit into this?
So while ECM and protect the link, it's only within 6 hexes where your ECM can counter- outside of that stock ECM can still cut the link between master and slave unit. That's the real purpose of the Boosted system- that line now cannot be trimmed except by Angel ECM systems.

Problem is tho, that while everything can intermingle and trade targeting details, the boosted master can send non-blockable targeting details to slaves who;s outbound signals CAN, so most C3 doesn't improve or benefit from any system intermingling.

>>92591637
They do not.
>>92591648
People like some of the Jihad mechs and tech but nothing else about it. Also the same imho about the FedCom civil war. It is utterly retarded in how it was handled and has to be fucking adressed by your own fanfic about how it went down to make sense.

>>92593337

I'd also say people like the Jihad because the Blakists and Comstar are both cooler than the Clans. But its bittersweet because of this.

>>92593295
I also dislike them, and how they handle drama, and will probably PDF/Print my way through the game going forwards. However, I also understand that I am a minority in the community, and that expecting people to collectively go fuck CGL will probably not happen unless there are severe and routine fuck ups. At least 9/10 other players will probably just be normal consumers who just want to play the robot game. So I try to look at their business practices totally divorced from the politics and drama, and can see the good that the do from time to time.

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Wasn't there a Jag paint guide floating around not that long ago?

>>92593274
But everyone knows they're not really Smoke Jaguar. They're just an arbitrary group of bloodnames and genes that Alaric pretends are Smoke Jaguar.

>>92593420
"Cooler" meaning....?

>>92593110
I thought the nova cat thing had potential to be interesting in that regard. So far as I know, they were the only clan subjugated by an IS power, and not the other way around; but now they’re dead, so it’s moot at this point.

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>>92593473
its free on their website here you go if this what you are talking about

>>92593503
Smoke Jaguar was subjugated. BY MUH DICK

>>92593489
objectively better and more understandable than furry meme test tube babies trying to larp something from more than 300 years ago, and not even having the decency of Marians to acknowledge that they are very likely doing it badly

>>92593489
Space wizard telephone mafia > furry off-color klingons

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Saw the Owens was on the OP last thread but couldn't finish it till today.

>>92593775

Looks amazing! This a commission?

>>92593554
According to 25 Years of Art and Fiction they were pussy whipped by Combine women.

>>92590179
In addition to Burrock, you've got several other well-known Dark Casters using old schemes - the Jaguar, for example, straight-up used a Smoke Jaguar-print 'Mech when he was working for the Society, then there's the Red Corsair and her ilk. And of course the Green Ghosts are heavily-implied to include a bunch of Wobblies and Dark Caste survivors from the Homeworlds by their unit emblems and 'Mech selection. Even Wolf's Dragoons had their own "Dark Caste" equivalent with the Black Widow battallion.. who happened to use Widowmaker colors because Natasha Kerensky's other geneparent is a Widowmaker. I imagine you're still going to get some Society colors in certain areas for a very long time.

>>92590372
One of the conceits of BattleTech is that most people's allegiance to their "nation" isn't all that strong. They care a lot more about their planet, not so much where the taxes go. Clanners double-down on that. There's an entire social relief valve for being Absorbed into another Clan, for all castes. The Bloodhouses have opinions about Clan allegiance, but the eugenics program as a whole don't give a fuck. It wasn't until the Reavings that the Clans really started going for hardcore conquest and genocide. There's a reason Mongoose and Widowmaker bloodlines were still in use during the Invasion even if the Not-Named all got purged.

>>92590580
>Their genetic legacies were buried in rubble, not literally destroyed. Someone could dig them up and try to revive the Clan.
This is how I run my Spirit galaxy post-Reavings. "They're Dark Caste, lol". Ditch the Protos, more Star League and -C variants of classic 'Mechs, a little WoB/IS hardware, and Bob's your uncle.

>>92590717
There's precedent for renaming to dodge old shame. See also: Sea Fox/Diamond Shark.

>>92590868
Wolves also have a bunch of Coyote genetics along with the Widowmaker because of Kerensky's wife. And possibly Cameron as well.

>>92591162
>>92591358
It's a Flea or a Trooper with the torso rotated.
>but muh dates
They already had 2750 in prep by then, and book prep at that point was a lot more slapdash than it is now. It's very likely Laubenstien just had the piece ready and it fit better into a slot in Kurita than Periphery. Remember that it's one of the last 3025 House Books FASA published.

>>92593775
It's frankly amazing to see that your Btech pieces get a tenth of the engagement of the porn on the friggin' Twitter. Not that the lewds are bad, but the mechanical pieces are great and deserve more recognition.

at this point I'll have to commission you for that Celestial sooner or later. Do Manei Domini need all their limbs?

Can someone tell me how this game got so popular?
I'm friends with a store owner and we dust off his armed combat starter box no one bought and figured we'd just open it and use it as a store ''board game''.
After about 3 hours and learning about heat management we both just laughed and put it on a shelf if anyone wanted to play it.
I can't even find one redeeming thing about this? It's so complicated I'm shocked it's not made strictly for autistic people, yet, Mechwarrior is super popular.
Did the ''big robot'' aesthetic really carry them this far?
What is it specifically you enjoy about this game?

>>92593985
too fat

>>92593985
Better quality than what you posted up thread, I'll give you that. 4/10

>>92593985
I'm gonna be honest, this bait is old and stale and I think I saw mold on the bottom. Nobody's biting it.

>>92593775
Good stuff.

>>92592814
>I also can't think of another company that I would rather hand the license off to at this point.
FFG
Asmodee
GF9
Corvus Belli
Wyrd
Privateer
Palladium
Hasbro
GW

>>92594030
>Hasbro
>GW
Fuckin woooooah there buddy, I dislike CGL too, but c'mon.

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>>92593896
Considering we're apparently getting Society stuff in 2025 and the Inner Sphere Clans apparently failed to properly control their pirate problems (and the Hinterlands can only exacerbate the problem) running a crazy bunch of Dark Caste/Society/Pirate remnants seems indeed the best option for Your Clan Dudes.

>>92594059

Its noted that in the Inner Sphere clans, the Dark Caste and Pirates actually merged which is kinda interesting. Wondering if you'd get some pissy Steel vipers/Ice Hellions/Nova Cats/Smoke Jags out there on the rim playing pirate.

Does it have to be a tabletop company to manage the license? I don't think there's anything particularly special about CGL, or that they're even good at tabletop, or even better than a random video game company would be at managing it.

Slightly related but do people hate White Wolf? Its parent company is a video game one.

>>92592536
Not really know.

We've gone a year now with no major splat books and with Bryan Youngs next novel that will also be more then a year for a major novel.

Catalyst also supposed to be releasing audiobooks but they keep dropping balls on that one as well.

Besides the whole announcement of the Mercs Kickstarter they haven't released any solid usable force packs.

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>>92593519
Many thanks trothkin

>>92593985
>Did the ''big robot'' aesthetic really carry them this far?
Yes.
>What is it specifically you enjoy about this game?
It is enjoyable on a mechanical level in that there are several different viable force combinations I can field. They each play in a different manner, changing how both I and my opponent play. Terrain differences do this yet again. Jungle maps play differently to grasslands, which are different from mountains, etc. That doesnt even bring into play the aesthetics of giant robutts or that I liked the ancient technology we have forgotten how to make trope. How Willliam Keith's excellent depictions of combat, with believable characters. Even when the fiction changed to high level political/military drama it was good. I got Tom Clancy light in spaaaaace.

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>>92593985
It's a historical sim that uses the conventions of 19th-century naval combat with an extensive alternate history and almost infinite potential as a campaign game. BT is also difficult enough that it presents an actual mental and tactical challenge for me, even after decades of playing the game. It's not one I play every day, but it scratches an intense itch that nothing else comes anywhere close to satisfying.

>I'm shocked it's not made for autistic people
It is. And we love it. It's okay if you don't like it, it doesn't have to be something you like to be a the perfect game for someone else.

>>92594099
>Slightly related but do people hate White Wolf? Its parent company is a video game one.
Same reason they hate CGL. Badly written metaplot which isn't exactly like their personal headcanon, generally poor customer service, and their company politics are leftist enough that they don't support extermination of all non-white races, repeal of sufferage for all non-white Christian landowning males, and the enslavement of women as pure breeding stock.

There isn't really a company who could own Battletech who wouldn't be hated.

>>92593477
I'm not sure what the difference is.

Blood legacies change Clans all the time. One clan goes to another clan and issues a challenge for a certain bloodname, they win, and the bloodname is theirs. That means that Clan A suddenly has a new blood legacy, and Clan B is missing a blood legacy that it previously possessed. Does that mean either Clan A is no longer Clan A, or Clan B is no longer Clan B?

Basically, there is no set in stone list of legacies that make up Clan Smoke Jaguar eternally. What a clan really is is a group of people who identify themselves as that clan and recognition of clan society as a whole (or significant part, bearing in mind that the clans have fragmented between Inner Sphere and Home Clans and other distinctions) that the clan exists and has certain political rights as a clan. Beyond that, blood legacies change hands, clans get absorbed into other clans or sometimes reformed (like the Clan Jade Falcon/Clan Jade Wolf incident), clans change names, and so on.

It's an interesting question, though, and obviously what I suggested above about a clan basically being identity + recognition is debatable (there may be more or less to it). I just don't think the genetic makeup of a clan is really very important, considering how the clans treat blood legacies (which is to say, trading them like Pokemon cards).

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>>92592470
Are there any STLs of that presumably 3d model of the commando about?

>>92593896

>One of the conceits of BattleTech is that most people's allegiance to their "nation" isn't all that strong.

I know this is what they were trying to go for in the setting, but its weird then when it seems every single planet has a rebel group working for a foreign state just waiting for an invasion.

>>92594304
During the 3rd Succession War this was the go to way of taking over planets without wasting your Mechwarriors.

Read Decision at Thunder Rift for a prime example of this.

>be clan
>invent new mech
>some pig comes in
>give mech
>duel you for it
How about fuck off?

>>92594329
>Be huge political power megasphere
>Rednecks on the fringe planets somehow make better mechs than millions of the smartest people in the known universe
>They tear a line through millions of mechs but then get absorbed immediately because there are like 12 of them and they think animal spirits help them in combat
You can't take anything serious in this shit, even the massive in-universe altering stuff, it's absolutely stupid lol.

>>92594327

Yeah, so people absolutely do care about their nation in battletech, at least these days.

My theory is that it was used to help smooth along the plot line of Xin Sheng and the FedCom civil war. If Cappies care about being Cappies, then the Sarna Commonality of course is easily retaken. If Lyrans care about being Lyrans you can have your Civil War to undo the FedCom.

>>92589982
>and just sink into the ground
Buddy most mechs weigh less than an Abrams tank.

>>92594030
>>92594036
I'd love to see what GW would do with the battletech license, just for a day, I want to know how bad things would be

>>92590372
>And considering the Clans are basically nations for their people, how could you possibly instantly kill that
Clan honor demands you abide by the trial of absorption.

>>92594407
>Be Abrams tank
>Literally so large have to use track system to move

>Be ANH-1A
>Weight focused on mechanical joints and two small feet
>Sink instantly to the ground
>SARMS and RPG's see me coming from 5 miles away and instantly kill me before I can lift one leg to try and balance on

>>92589177
>Conquerors of Terra edition
False. Nothing exists past 3067.

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Good news from this week's Tuesday Newsday for the Mercenaries Kickstarter. Most product has reached the hubs, all miniatures and rulebooks is at the hubs, they are still waiting on some of the swag (Patches where specifically mentioned)

Shipping is expected to be posted this week, it will be posted in batches so it won't be up for everyone at the same time.

>>92594460
Yawn.

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>>92594460
Based on the general scale of the mechs, they likely have a larger ground contact area than a tank, I recon they generate less ground pressure.
Let's assume, however, they generate more. A walking biped just about doubles their ground pressure vs standing. Even if a mech generates twice as much ground pressure as an abrahms while standing, you're still only looking at 60 psi while moving. A horse generates 500 psi while galloping, and last i checked, horses don't constantly sink into the earth.

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>>92594515
There are some mechs I'd want to try playing with in the more modern era. And if it wasn't for the tech level, the Hinterlands would be an amazing first start for a campaign.

>>92594178
They dont trade them like pokemon cards. Its a big deal to get one. Especially for the smaller clans.

>>92594561
Also fighter jets, strategic bombers, planes in general with their tiny landing wheels, school busses, semi-trucks, elephants, dinosaurs, etc, etc.

>>92594631
>planes in general with their tiny landing wheels
Most would out do most mechs in weight as well and the sheer amount of force being put on the various parts.

Can I get a qrd on the wars of reaving? Every time I've tried looking into them I just end up confused

>>92594762
The mega traditionalist homeworld clans kick everyone who matters out of the homeworlds / into the inner sphere and then engage in a circular firing squad.

The point was to remove the feeling that destroying the clan occupation zones would be pointless and to have a counterpart to the Jihad in the homeworlds.

>>92594762
One clan starts killing off others for having the taint of the inner sphere. Ends up killed of themselves for having taint of the inner sphere. The rest was Grandpa Simpson saying there were too many clans so please eliminate a few.

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>>92590998
here you go throtkin

>>92594762
Everyone turns into an even bigger retard than usual and fucking dies, with fetishistic interest focused on the resulting massacres, except for Clan Wank Snek, who are perfect and infinitely smart and win everything forever

>>92592879
Actually I do/did until GW noticed the game still had an international scene and decided to "revive" it and fuck it up again, but because it was dead for so long it has a large number of independent sculptors and an incredibly balanced community rule set, the sculptors are still going strong despite GW stepping back in to sue people and fuck with the game. but for about 20 years I played Blood Bowl as a very "dead" IP, so you can shove that strawman up your ass.

What's a decent drac trooper by the late invasion era? I need me something with a bit more bulk than a panther

>>92594059
>Osteon
What stone do I have to give my Eevee to get this evolution?

>>92594762

CGL decides they want less clans. So they start a convoluted bunch of nonsense where Clan Steel Viper enacts a series of actions mainly beneficial to Clan Star Adder, with plenty of warcrimes for CGL staff to masturbate to.

Then, counter to this, CGL adds a new clan to get it to an even four in case they want to do another Clan invasion.

>>92594854

Dracs don't really do "Troopers", that's more of a Davion/Cappie thing. They prefer either Cavalry mechs, or mook mechs.

The Panther does get a bit of a variant in the Wight I suppose.

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>>92594854
You get trash mechs. Embrace the horror.

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>>92594854
Wolverine 7K. It's early invasion, but it's a fantastic jumpy trooper. It can stay evasive with JJ's and pulses, and crit seek with the double SRM 6's.

>>92593110
The Red Duke is literally a hog who retreated to the DC and seethed so hard about Clanners he spawned multiple Black Dragon uprisings.

>>92594917

Black Dragons may be the single worst plot point in all of Battletech and that's saying a lot. It's basically a handwave for anything that doesn't make sense happening in the Combine.

>>92594854
Firestarter omni, blackjack omni.
Daimyo can work as a trooper, IMO. I think it's mostly known for its C3M variant, but the earlier ones are solid for 40 tons.

is there somewhere you can get the clan wolverine and/or the minnesota tribe decal?

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>>92594903
>Embrace the honor
ftfy

>>92594917
Hassid was never a hog tho. He ruled over hogs, lived in hog space, but when the hogs created the wrastlin republic, he left and lived in the Combine. He never tried to be a member of FRR politics, only to come back when the furries took everything from him. He stayed with the Dragon through it all.

>>92594854
No.

>>92594863
You give your Evee to your friendly neighbour Scientist Caste Geneticist and you enjoy the results. It may or may not be the result of horrific human experimentation and now try to murderfuck you in your sleep.
No refunds. (It's also Greek, "bone")

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>>92594937
Still shocks me they wrote the night stalkers to join forces with the black dragons.
Also RIP the LAW omnimech facility

>>92594762
The most turbo autist of all the homeworld leaders saw the invader clans doing things like "negotiating in good faith", "not immediately trying to trial people who don't believe in the validity of trials", "creating governmental policies with concessions to reality", and other un-clanlike things and was disgusted at how corrupt Kerensky's vision had become. He wouldn't stand for it, and couldn't allow the taint to spread. Unfortunately, he forgot that his clan was also an invader clan, and his focus on purity over reality, while very clanlike, didn't allow for exceptions, and so he too was reaved. The survivors then presumably found more corruption amongst themselves in a bottomless purity spiral.

>>92595157

They didn't bother to actually think what units made sense, they just looked at which units had gotten upset way back during the Ronin War and threw those in, despite there likely not being the same people in those units,.

>>92594969
Born on a hog world. Trusted enough by hog insurgents to be invited into a scheme to kill Takashi. The man was an opportunist and a good example the division between Rasalhague and the Draconis Combine wasn't as clear as later writing paints it.

>>92595304
That is pretty standard BattleTech. People, organisations, attitudes don't change for centuries. Planets of hats and people of hats. It makes things easy narratively. You don't need to reintroduce concepts every book.

>>92595346

Except in this case it was shitting the narrative bed, because they made a bunch of notoriously apolitical or even liberal organizations in the Combine revolt along with the noted reactionaries.

But that's why the Black Dragon is so stupid, it takes the vague, conspiratorial part of the Battletech narrative and cranks it up past "I wonder what really happened" to "this makes no fucking sense"

>>92595172

The only way Brett Andrew's leadership of Steel Viper makes sense is if you presume he was some sort of Star Adder mole. The whole "taint" thing was a stupid excuse for their warcrimes. They had more than enough to go on with 1) homeworld clans seething with jealousy 2) Clans leaving or failing, and Star Adder growing to the point Star Adder was going to dominate clan space and 3) The Society, the best part of the WoR.

The Wars of Reaving are portrayed as a way to cut down on the number of clans, but Blood Spirit, Fire Mandrill and Ice Hellion were all honestly fucked weather the wars even happened or not. Star Adder always had Blood Spirit's number. Fire Mandril was internally bleeding with its attempts to get an IlKindraa (Though Kindraa-Faraday Tanaga and Matilla-Carrol would probably have been fine, which is why they had to handwave their deaths.) Ice Hellion was boned with operation Ice Storm. And Goliath Scorpion was gonna have to leave one way or the other with the whole ELH thing.

wonder why there isn't sldf royal version of orion, especially when freaking kerensky used one

>>92595421
Orions aren't a good enough mech to bother with a royal variant. Anemic firepower, insufficient heat sinks, no hands, no torso twist, and they're basically walking bombs. Nobody who actually sees fire would want to drive one, which explains why the REMFiC grabbed one for his command ride.

>>92595421
The ON1-K is just that good. Also there is a special version listed as kerensky's own variant, it had a gauss rifle, srm4 with artiv, snub PPC, and the laser arms

>>92595461
I'm surprised some company with an Orion factory didn't take the chance once snubs were introduced to start selling copycat models of Kerensky's machine. I bet they'd sell.

>>92593954
Flea is also a 1984 Battledroids sculpt. It held the crown of oldest sculpt still in mainline production for decades.

What does the metal blackjack look like in the box? Is it's torso straight forward or can it be posed rotated?
I'm trying to find something to match the BJ2 omni art, the cgl mini is a bit spindly for me, and I haven't had much success finding an STL I like

>>92595500
There's an apocryphal one of those from MWO. I'm pretty sure it's CBT legal.

>>92595516
The omni metal is posable.

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Why are they bad guys again?

>>92595677

Because CGL is racist? And FASA before them?

>>92595708
CGL is not and never has been one of the good guys though.

>>92595677
Because Axis power national identity, same reason Steiner gets the shaft.

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>>92595677
You see them as villains because you are a sad fool who will never bring glory to the dragon

>>92595677
muh genocide and angry rasalhague fanboys mostly

>>92595725
My god. How utterly despicable. The Dragon commands them to put the world to the sword and these lazy fucks use rifles? I have never been so mad.

>>92595725
Why was this a bad thing again?

>>92595872
It's not. Killing white people all the Kuritans are guilty of, and that isn't even a crime.

>>92595677
not enough anime shits

>>92595677
They're Commies. Socialist industry, surveillance state, fascist leaning political propaganda, the military nationalist Great House aside from the Cappies.
All the warcrimes and retardation stems from the above. They're villains, but they're like silly propaganda cartoon villains. If you want the real villains of the IS then look no further than the Cappies.

>>92595918
i thought spess chinese are the cartoon villains, max being paranoid retard and all

>>92595677
Again? Woman in charge. Voluntarily gave up Davion space to save lives. Commander on New Avalon war crimes by First Prince. Innocently being attacked by warmonger Federation and Dominion.
It is a miracle Catalyst hasn't written a scene with a confused DCMS soldier having an epiphany and wondering, "are we the good guys?"

>>92595944
Space China are just plain old villains, not fun and meme-able villains. Like the Jags or The Society.
The CapCon is an unironic facist nightmare state. Command economy, no human rights, total dehumanisation of it's populace, elevation of the state to the ultimate moral arbitrator and source of purpose, Tiered political and economic status, total lack of practical ethics, king of warmongers, ect.
They don't even have anything fun to balance out how nighmarishly evil they are. The Dracs at least have funny samurai making terrible decisions all the time.

>>92595952
The most lorelet take imaginable.

If you actually knew what the Combine was like on a day-to-day basis you'd be singing a different tune. Unless you actually want to live in a military-socialist surveillance state.
Good healthcare though.

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>>92596033
I already live in one, so adding in good healthcare would be a direct upgrade for me.

Anyway, you guys play any games lately? Between work, TTRPGs, and other life stuff, I haven't managed any BT in the last two weeks

>>92596016
>They don't even have anything fun to balance out how nighmarishly evil they are.

Nibba that IS the fun.

>>92594854
>What's a decent drac trooper by the late invasion era?
The Dragon/Grand Dragon, it's just a Trio 55-tonner with 5 extra tons and no jets. They also get a really solid Medium selection in the Invasion that Teddy K starts ramming down the throats of most of the units he reconstitutes or rotates off the frontlines for reinforcement. In addition to the Wolverine and Omnis, you have a lot of old mainstays like the Drac Phoenix Hawk and Wolftraps plus stuff they bought off of the Mariks.

>>92594878
Everyone has troopers. It's a role, not a weight class.

>>92595677

All the successor states are varying flavours of evil. The Dracs are refreshing because they're the one faction that totally understands the setting they are in and how retarded it is, and just embraces it.

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>>92596122
>All the successor states are varying flavours of evil.
This. They all need to be genocided. The only good faction is, of course, mine. Long live the only hope for humanity, the Taurian Concordat.
>OA is ok, MOC will be kept around as sex slaves since people who listen to women aren't really human

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>>92595872
>>92595883
Looks like we got some 4's out here!

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>>92596160

>Claims all successor states are evil
>Taurians have been nothing but Capellan enablers for most of their history
>Taurians are identical to the successor states, having a hereditary monarch and are a militarized state.

Bullfags truly are the worst.

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>>92596241
>Me on the right

>>92595872
Because it was personal, usually you can shrug and say shit sucks when a planet gets bombarded but things change when you got armed thugs breaking down the doors to your house and dragging your family into the streets to be executed.

52 million people where killed by the sword.

>>92596268
Sounds like 52 million deserved it for being Davions.

>>92596281
Yeah neat this action alone cost the Draconis the war.

Between that and the shit that happened on Sendai put the Draconis in a bad spot.

>>92596255
No mech assault until I finish explaining the lore inconsistencies so that we have proper context.

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>>92596318
Alternate world 1910s Italy is better. Have a Vulcano class Battleship

Top Ten Most Iconic Mechs of Battletech

>>92596477
1) Atlas
2) Timberwolf
3)... underpants

>>92596488
3) Urbie

>>92596477
VF 1A Valkyrie
VF 1S Valkyrie
Armored Valkyrie
VF 1S Super Valkyrie
Defender
Tomahawk
Regult
Glaug
Ironfoot
Dougram

>>92596498
Yes, well, those are obviously the ones they stole, but i mean BT originals.

>>92596511
>stole
>bait.png

>>92596498
pretty sure the first 4 are veritechs and at least one is the warhammer

>>92596521
>>92596498
you're the one posting bait with that unseen shit nigga.

>>92596477
Not counting the unseen
Atlas
Madcat
Urbanmech
Awesome
King Crab
Blackjack (solely due to the vidya)
Commando
Uhhhh....
Maybe Gargoyle?
Maybe Ares eventually?
Dragon is pretty recognizable.
This is hard after the first three.

>>92596522
In order:
Stinger
Wasp
Crusader
Phoenix Hawk
Rifleman
Warhammer
Ostroc
Marauder
Thunderbolt
Shadow hawk

>>92596548
NTA, but are you trying to say that the original Mechs are not Battletech related, and did not form the definition of what would be considered iconic for the future of the franchise?

>>92596591
Oh, duh, the Catapult. That's one that people who don't even know Battletech will recognize.

>>92596591
Kodiak, Vulture, and Fenrir are all pretty striking. So is the Stalker.

>>92596596
pedantic jackass

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>>92595397

Main, sucks that Kindraa Sainze were so consistently retarded, I love the paint-scheme on Kindraa Payne.

>>92596599
Raven definitely

>>92596412
>Flying ship
>Guns are mounted neither on the sides or on the ventral section of the craft

>>92596521
Yes, stole. If what you make isn't completely and totally original without influence from anything else, then you are stealing someone else's ideas and IP. So yes, stole. FASA was nothing but thieves. They stole mech designs for Battletech. They stole Star Wars for renegade legion. They stole d&d for earthdawn. They stole d&d AND Cyberpunk2020 for Shadowrun. They are thieves and if you support those old games then you are aiding and abetting their thievery. The only Battletech which isn't stolen property is the modern incarnation with original Shimmering Sword artwork.

>>92596477
Atlas
timber wulf
urbie
warhammer
marauder

>>92596636
Turrets cannot physically be mounted on a ventral surface with the technology available at the time. Cope and kill yourself.

>>92596637
dude isn't me
>>92596637

why do you feel the need to instigate conflict?

>>92596477
Warhammer
Marauder
Battlemaster
Atlas
MadCat
Urbanmech
King Crab
Locust
Catapult
Phoenix Hawk

>>92596596
>are you trying to say that the original Mechs are not Battletech related
Yes. Keep that weebshit out of these threads. We don't care about stolen property here. Your anime cancer has nothing to do with Battletech. Nothing from before 1996 belongs here.

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>>92596636
Mounting guns on the bottom isn't done in Levs because that makes it harder to set the ship down on land or in water, and gets in the way of the bomb bay and loading spaces. Plus, turrets on the top are easier to build, are more effective because they can angle upward at someone who out-climbs you. Many ships do mount casemate guns on the sides, though.

What were the three most important battles between the US and Germany during World War II?

>>92596670
man look at him go.

>>92596678
1) Battle of Normandy
2) ...underpants
3) Profit!

What were the three silliest conflicts in the Inner Sphere?

>>92596720
First Succession War
The test run of the Savannah Master
That one time those mercenaries rioted because they couldn't get imported pickles on their contractually obligated whale burgers due to wartime shortages.

>>92596739
>That one time those mercenaries rioted because they couldn't get imported pickles on their contractually obligated whale burgers due to wartime shortages.
You best not be lying.

>>92596743
Led by one Colonel Regnus, the unit became known for a peculiar mutiny in 2970: A clause in their contract with the government stipulated that all unit members would get a free meal twice a week at a local Triple-F restaurant, the most popular food chain in the Federated Suns at the time. Shortly after the arrival of Beaufort's Cossacks on the planet Capellan Confederation naval forces blockaded the planet. When the mercenaries did not get exactly what they ordered from Triple-F, Colonel Regnus accused Triple-F of defaulting on the unit's food supply contract to which the manager replied by blaming the naval blockade for supply shortages (which was presumably untrue given that Triple-F only had to import pickles, sesame seeds, and whale meat from offworld). This in turn caused the Cossacks to go on a rampage against Colonel Regnus' orders, commandeering civilian vehicles, shouting, discharging their weapons and storming the Triple-F franchise, demanding pickles and also items that Triple-F did not actually use in their products (suggesting they might have mixed Triple-F up with a smaller competing chain).
>where's the pickles?! where's the beef?!

>>92596769
I'm just imagine a bunch of screaming fat redneck retards with AR-15's storming a McDonalds because they wouldn't honor their 2 for 1 Big Mac Coupons.

>>92596678
>Normandy
>Falaise
>Bulge (Ardennes)

>>92596832
The war would have gone different if the Japs had Godzilla.

>>92596832
Okay, US and Germany each get one lance of mechs to fight each other during WW2, which do they get?

Are there any good STL files for the akuma out and about?

>>92593985
It's for people with IQs above 120 you midwit scum.

>>92596875
4 atluses vs. 20+ wolverines

>>92596923
It's more like an Atlas, Akuma, Banshee, and Clint vs 20 Wolverines (4 of them being the 6D variant, the rest 6R).

>>92596160
retard if you don't SHUT UP WITH THAT SAME FUCKING PICTURE I'M GOING TO KILL YOU. You are going to scare the Hoes.

>>92596949
And then at the end of the war, add a Volkscharger made of industrialmech parts on the German side.

>>92596977
You can't tell me what to do. That's what Davions try to do, and you know what we do to them.

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>>92596977
It's a great picture

>>92597008
I will run you down with my light SRM Carrier, stop fucking acting like a dipshit and giving us a bad name.
>>92597026
Agreed.

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Whenever anyone tries to tell you Taurians are humans, please remember.

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>>92596636
>>92596651
>>92596677
To elaborate, that style of turret weighed over a hundred tons. Even a century later, warships still hold in their main guns by gravity, not mechanical connections. Holding something like that upside-down on a floating ship would be a magical mix of structurally impossible and completely retarded.

>92596875
XTRO 1945, now. Then your fucking meds.

>>92597026
yeah, but you got plenty more.

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>>92597182
>you got plenty more
Not Taurian though

>>92594827
>>92594830
>>92594852
>>92594869
>>92595172


That's fucking hilarious and absolutely what the clans deserved from the very beginning, while also being the logical self-devouring snake of any society that tries to ignore reality. The only complaint I have is that it didn't happen earlier.

so what rules actually have changed over the years?

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>>92595677

"Why did I chain a child and his puppy together with that chain running through a staple and then start a huge fire right next to it, but have the chain be just long enough for one or the other to live, but not both, but to live the child must burn his puppy, or must kill himself to let the puppy live?

BECAUSE I'M EEEEEEEVIIIIIILLLLLL NYAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

-Least Pointlessly Evil Kuritan Antagonist.

>>92597231
You're not allowed to flick boogers at Capellan players anymore.

>>92597231
Inferno SRMs used to only be usable by 2racks (meh), including Streak 2s (good), but now they can't be used by streaks (bad) and can be used by any sized regular SRM (meh).
Infantry damage against vehicles went from round down (good) to round up (bad).
Partial cover went from a reroll against the legs (bad) to a block against leg hits (good).
Construction rules changed slightly so some of the oldest designs might be one or two tons off weight (meh), but now it's legal to make underweight designs (eh).

>>92597064

The funny thing is that he's still less annoying than the Taurianfag at my FLGS.

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why doesnt the Daikyu get as much love as some of the other Drac mechs? I use the LBX variant and its a good cav heavy and works well with the grand dragon.

>>92597231

In addition to what anon said: >>92597265

LAMS are no longer allowed to be more than 55 tons. There never were actually any LAMs bigger than that, but my local grog gets all pissy about it every now and then and complains about his homebrewed 100 ton LAM designs now being illegal.

Hatchets and Swords used to use the punch table.

Mace also changed between its original inception and what we have now. I forget the exact rules difference, but I remember that there was one.

>>92597302
Because any heavy mech with an XL engine is garbage. Any mech with a UAC5 is garbage. The Daikyu has an XL engine and not one, but TWO, UAC5s. It's completely garbage in every meaningful way, and it's just another manifestation of how CGL is racist against Asians by forcing that piece of shit on us.

>>92597354

Anon, Dracs have been getting inferior mook mechs since 1985.

I think the ONLY design of theirs that isn't a fucking joke for its tonnage is the Hatamoto-Chi, and that's because it's just a goddamn Thug in Samurai cosplay.

Like sure, the K-Hawk and the K-Wolverines are good, and not ALL the variants of ALL their signature mechs are bad, but MOST of them are. Just go look at the Mauler, or half the Panther variants that are still using SHS well into the 3050s, or the even and especially the signature mech of the faction: The Dragon.

Dracs are designated badguys and they have designated badguy mechs designed to be taken down in droves by hero units in better mechs.

>>92597265
Infantry damage is good actually.

>>92597409

I'm not convinced that one guy and his rifle should be able to damage a Battlemech.

>>92595443
The level of TARD in this post sets a new record.

>>92597416
If a guy and a rifle can't do marginal damage to a mech, it's just wasting time to have them on the field at all. It's not like they're slapping down anything that isn't a light without some serious support weapons.

>>92597393
The Jenner is one of the best 35 ton mechs in the game.

>>92597443

If you're the only man left from your platoon, the correct move is to run for the fucking hills, not stick around shooting at the Stalker.

Also, as with the infamous NEA dropship example, sometimes all it takes is one dude with some godly luck. One dude with his Rifle Federated Barret is entierly capable of scoring a TAC on a mech and triple critting the engine.

>>92597461

What are you talking about? It's got the armor of a Locust at almost twice the weight, but doesn't have the speed and only jumps for a +3, rather than the +4 that it's engine would allow, and it has ammo in a side torso.

It's not an egregiously BAD mech, but it's not great.

>>92597469
I would be fine enough with an optional rule that just forbids TACs for non support weapons on infantry, but that's just me.

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>>92593960
>>92594013
Thanks, but no this isn't a comm, I just felt like doing something different for a bit.

>>92597498
Basic Jenner is mid.
Jenner-F that ditches the SRM4 for 3 extra tons of armor is the best 3025 Light mech (though i still prefer the Fire Javelin, due to it being cheaper)

>>92597561
Well, it's nice to get stuff.
If we're a fun "I wanna do shit at my own pace" diversion from commissions, that's not a bad place to be.

>>92597590
No +4TMM, not a good light mech. This is not up for a debate.

>>92597697
Cranky because your 20 tonners with +4 TMM have 4 armor per location aren't you?

>>92597324
>LAMS are no longer allowed to be more than 55 tons. There never were actually any LAMs bigger than that, but my local grog gets all pissy about it every now and then
LAM construction rules were introduced in the Battletech Manual, 1987, and the 55-ton restriction in the next main rulebook, the Battletech Compendium, in 1990. I'm groggy enough to have a Compendium I bought new and I still think that guy needs to get over it. It was only for 3 years, 34 years ago.
>Hatchets and Swords used to use the punch table.
Clubs always used the standard hit table, going back to BattleDroids. Rules for varying hit location table for 'mechs at different elevations weren't even introduced until the Compendium, in which same book hatchet rules were introduced; they said hatchets operate as one-handed clubs. Hatchets always hit on the standard table, it was just wishful thinking that made them punch table weapons. I did it too, the way the rules referenced punch modifiers for damaged actuators it was an easy mistake to make. It's even mentioned in the common misconceptions section of the BMM.
>>92597265
>Partial cover went from a reroll against the legs (bad) to a block against leg hits (good).
Not quite, partial cover used to be +3 to hit instead of +1, but anything that did hit hit on the Punch table. The defender would be very difficult to hit, but anything that did hit had a much better chance of knocking the 'mech out. It was a gamble that often resulted in dead or injured pilots.

>>92597231
Quite a lot, really. And this is just major changes to BT itself. Other Anons got a lot of it
Combat Value/Battle Value are on their third major version and ~seventh minor revision. The shift from CV to BV made a number of early Clan Invasion 'Mechs dramatically overcosted for their actual tactical value, with vees undercosted, and this has been slowly walked back over the years.
'Mech movement options increased, and several older rules got replaced. Possibly by accident/forgetting stuff already existed, which honestly explains several other things.
Tarcomps, particularly which weapons they actually work with
Massive and repeated changes to Vehicles. Those calmed down a bit post-FanPro
Artillery and the LAM rules were both extensively overhauled at least twice
WMDs
Changed the rules for Prototype weapons, ammo, and certain Star League gear
Fire changed rules levels and was dramatically complicated
Moving cargo, lifting, and dragging 'Mechs. Again, probably a case of forgetting the rules already existed
Some very technical edge cases with Line of Sight
Ammo and construction rules changes that heavily altered what was effective at underwater combat as well as anti-vehicle/Battle Armor work
Infantry rules were completely replaced twice. The current rules make infantry much more resilient and damaging
Everything was regularized to round-up in construction and damage, which mostly hit infantry and ferro-fibrous armor
The campaign rules have been altered very heavily. In particular the First Strike light campaign rules became Chaos Campaign, while the Merc's Handbook rules were dropped for two different sets of flawed but more detailed rules that take House militaries into account. Unfortunately they make campaigns less-sustainable as the GM
Secondary to that, the way RPG characters integrate with tabletop battles has been changed several times as they went through five mechanically very different systems
Several Quirks were deleted and a bunch got reshuffled

>>92597498
It's an incredibly fast "fuck you and especially your rear torso" delivery system. It has enough jets to dust off after it inevitably overheats and go hide behind a hill for a few turns. Even overheating, a Jenner is still faster than most of the things that outgun it. They combine the brawling layout of a heavy Cavalry 'Mech with a speed few things can match for centuries. The 3050s "upgrade" is kind of ass, granted, but the Jenner is one of the few pre-3055 Lights that can still hang comfortably in the Jihad.

I think instead of the Wars of Reaving they should have had the Homeworld Clans decide enough was enough and go for a Clan Invasion 2. Have some hints they're sending scouts out to find viable routes, and then they attack the Inner Sphere from the West and East.
The original invading Clans are furious, the FWL and FedSuns are terrified at facing the Clan threat directly, and the Word of Blake become accidental heroes when they realize it's all for naught if they can't stop this new wave of Clan reinforcements (they get shattered). The Homeworlds are left all but abandoned.

>>92598033
Nobody wants a Clam Invasion 2 it'd be boring as shit

>>92598036
Still better than multiple Clans killed off and the Homeworlds left in limbo forever.

>>92595443
isn't "no torso twist" not a thing anymore on bipeds

>>92598058

You're right. The Homeworlds should be explicitly ashed and the survivors have died a slow death of radiation and thirst as the last remnants of the vital water purification technology that keeps those stupid barely-habital worlds alive fell into rust and ruin.

Leave it as a set of ghostworlds and an in-universe warning story about being too fucking autistic.

let's say a lucky dude stumbled upon a 'mech built with ff, es and gauss in 3020. technically speaking, when he used all the ammo and blew up the mech's leg, there's no way for him to replenish ammo nor fix that lost leg?