Why are male elves generally unpopular? Not even women seem to care about them except for Legolas when the LOTR movies were new
They make ugly dudes feel insecure.
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Male elf is always the second most popular selection , and it becomes the first if humans are even slightly sucky.
>>92724695In my games I've only seen male half-elfs, never seen a regular male elf PC, it's always female even when the players are guys
>>92724703>half-elfspeople play that because they want to play an elf, but not roleplay an elf.
>>92724711>pretend to be stereotypical samuraiThere's your male elf, that wasn't so hard was it
>>92724695ThisMale Elf mostly loses because Male Human exists. If Male Human is off the table for whatever reason, Male Elf generally steps up into his place, with occasional exceptions for the Orc analog for smash menNot that people don't make Male Elf smash men
I've known many women to find elven men to be among the most appealing of characters to sexualize...Not many of them want to play as them, though. They want to interact with them.
>>92724652Because they're twinks. No one wants to be a twink. There's exceptions to that, and Legolas and his dad are some of them.
>>92724652Because boys don't want to be pretty - they want to be big, tough and strong. That's why Human, Dorf and Orc males are more popular
Elves and humans are literally always the most popular races in anything fantasy oriented.
>>92724652I only pick races based on their mechanical bonuses. I don't give a shit about anything else.
>>92724652Because you're stupid. And also you're dumb.
>>92724652Explain this
>>92725290Elves are very popular in the Far East. And there is a lot of Chinese in general
Elric and Drizzt were popular.
You're not kidding about Legolas.https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/762905
>>92725515Holy shit newgrounds.comWhat a nostalgia blast
>>92725442Do zoomers even know about Elric
>>92725686No. Elric and many other stories die with us.
>>92725733Well, it's not that the stories die, they just get reinvented. Like a game of telephone.
>>92725761Nah. Gens Z and Alpha have ZERO interest in anything made before they were born. Things as basic and universal as Greek myth are going to vanish once millennials die.
>>92725442Elric isn't an elf. Drow are based on the Melnibonese but that does not make them elves.
>>92725686Zoomers don't read books.
no homo but I really wouldnt mind fucking a cute elf male in the butt
>>92724652You mean care romantically? Women love male elves, men and transwomen mostly don't think about them (except as a quick "human with a cool dex bonus" grab) and they overrepresent on the online places you probably look at.
>>92724652>Why are male elves generally unpopular?Are they? The male deldar from Rogue Trader flooded panties all over the internet.
>>92724652>Why are male elves generally unpopular? Not even women seem to care about them except for Legolas when the LOTR movies were new
For me, it's elfbarian twunks.
>>92725921>>92725932https://vndb.org/i712?m=0&f=032wprimary-4wm-N4880UJ&s=0List of male elf characters in otome games (visual novels/dating sims aimed at women)It's not even one full page.
>>92726233Okay, and? Every time an elf hits mainstream media he usually gets girls squealing. Legolas, the bisexual twink from Dragon Age 1, the anime twink from Dragon Age 2, Astarion from BG3, Marazhai from RT, both Estinien and Aymeric from FF14 are only beat out in popularity by Zenos. The thesis was male elves aren't popular, not that they aren't numerous.
>>92726285The male elf as a concept is just not popular. Popular characters who happen to be male elves don't change that.
>>92726310It's uncommon, not unpopular. Quit speaking in circles.
WoW elves are so masculine
There was Corvis from Hexen, and Skywise and Cutter from Elfquest.They were all butch as fuck.I mean, OK, Skywise and Cutter were a couple, but they were bi butch twunk shortstacks.And Lusiphur from Poison Elves, he was basically Peter Steele from Type O Negative with pointy ears.
>>92725872>bing allows this but blocks similar results with femalessociety.
>>92726233A meaningless statistic. If I remove the otome tag I can see elf characters in VNs are about 93% female vs specifically otome game elves being 86.4% male elves. The bias is nearly equally represented within the subject of elf, putting aside innumerable confounding variables about the specific genres in question, much less this website's tagging system. If we count protagonists we bring VNs down to 90.6% male (otome stays the same, no elf protagonists). How autistic do you want to get, 0.85% of VNs as a whole have a female elf in the main cast, 0.75% of otome have a male elf in the main cast. I wont even say this proves anything because, again, the intersection of elves and japanese visual novels probably has all kinds of incidental bias, but it's certainly small difference to try to argue women dont like male elves relative to the general population liking female elves.
>>92727556Elf characters in non-otome vns* For the first bit.
>9 hour old MALE elf thread>he hasn't postedwhat a fraud lmao
>>92724652>Not even women care about them.I have had at least a dozen women tell me pic-related was their first fictional crush. Don't tell me Hylians aren't elves. They're elves with a different name. Link is a pointy eared blonde pretty-boy who wears green and has a fairy friend. He's an elf.
>>92727720>form purists: all pointy-eared beings are elves>spirit purists: LOTR elves, old school fairies, elves don't need pointy ears, they need to be immortal>spirit and form purists: to qualify as an elf they have to be pointy-eared AND long-lived>dwarves: if it ain't stuck up and prissy it ain't an elf
>>92725872>>92726195>The real reason women dislike elf men is they keep human men from having sex with them>>92727701Thats straight up Henry Cavill's Geralt just with pointy ears
>>92724658They make redditors like OP feel bad. Normies love elves. In most of my sessions the new players choose elves before trying humans and only after humans do they try "freakshit".>>92724691Projection doesn't exist.>>92724695My favorite method to gatekeep the table is model them on Catholic masculinity.
>>92724652>Why are male elves generally unpopular?... sauce?2nd most popular pick after zero effort bland vanilla "human fighter" is bland vanilla "pretty elf"
>>92724652Astarion is a male elf and he was the most popular bg3 character.I'm playing a male elf in my current D&D game, although mostly because it was a premade wizard and it was my first game (I did change a lot from the sheet, but changing race felt weird after having already played as him).Blonde guys in media tend to be depicted as jerks, stereotypical male elves are the "better than you" rude rival to the male protagonist, so I guess they're designed to be kind of hateable by default.
>>92724658this. straight men hate male heart-throbs.
Men with perfect girly faces but muscular bodies and masculine yet gentleman behaviour are the best.If the book/movie/game/anime in question is intended for a male audience, this character will be the protagonist's biggest enemy, probably starting out as suspiciously perfect only to reveal a manipulative and cruel side later.If the media is intended for women, he might be played as straight up Gary Stu, or as more obviously morally questionable, to drive the drama, danger fetish, and "I can change him" feels.Elves are just ideal for this character type, but so are vampires.
>>92724652>male elves>unpopularWhat? Blood Elves were the most popular race for the Horde in WoW back in the dayAs a gm I see players constantly make male elves in settings that allows them. In what fucking world are male elves unpopular?
>>92729095>Elves are just ideal for this character type, but so are vampires.and depending on the media both have pointy earsit is so weird to see Strahd with pointy ears, I thought that dude was a human>>92729124 doujinshi
>>92724652Elves are slender, culturally advanced, and too refined for brutish behavior. For humans, this defaults to the assumption of small genitals. For females elves, this means tight pussy, which makes them desirable. For male elves, the assumption is they're dickets.
>>92729189>doujinshiI hated this when I was growing up.As a kid/teen, I was a massive coomer and didn't really like actual live porn. But hentai/doujins either only focused on the woman, or had ugly bastards.Wish I had been able to enjoy yaoi, but somehow I couldn't.So it's just tentacles and written lewds of -hot- androgynous dudes forcing themselves on second person female reader.
>>9272755693% of VN elves are female. How is this not shocking to you.
Weeb elves are almost all bootleg Deedlit or bootleg Pirotess. No surprise they're nearly all idiot cutesy slutty females.
>>9272930093% of elves in non otome games, I subtracted those numbers out.And the reason that doesnt matter is because 85.9% of main cast characters in all visual novels (minus tagged otome games) in that fucking database are female, you fucking idiot. Visual Novels are primarily a pornographic genre for men. I hope you're trolling.
>>92729774>primarily a pornographic genre for menWell that settles it. Modern media is pornography for men, hence the absence of male elves. Doesn't explain the absence of male elves in female-oriented media.
>>92729891Now you're just making your trolling even more obvious.Anyway, female oriented media doesn't seem to use "medieval fantasy" settings as much as male oriented media anyway
>>92729891Actually if you even read my first post >>92727556Youd see specifically female targetted media within the VN genre has 84.6% of its elves as male! Go figure!Your implication that VNs are indicative of all modern media is stupid, but even if it were true it would actually argue the opposite of your claim.
>>92729891The absence of male elves in media have nothing to do with anything, but the lack of creativity of modern authors. Hell, this thread's about "male elves" but males in important, distinctive roles of any race have greatly fallen from use.Now everything wants to be the next yuribait, and the male characters are treated like soiboys and nu-males.
>>92725774That's really depressing. Even stuff that's only a few years old that was all the rage seems like it gets forgotten.
>>92725774>>92729999Gen Z here. I like old fantasy just fine. What are you doing to keep the fire alive?Also nice quads.
>>92729189>it is so weird to see Strahd with pointy ears, I thought that dude was a humanNow it's been a while since I've read AD&D 2E lore (and the novel "Vampire of the Mists"), but Strahd has had pointy ears for a while, with books mentioning Strahd explaining the pointy ears with "distant elven ancestry" or something along those lines.Or was that from the 3'rd edition books?
>>92729240>5 hour old elf hornyposting thread on /v/>nowhere to be seenit's fucking over
>>92724652>>92724658More women prefer the likes of rugged masculinity, than effeminate beauty. This is why most women prefer Aragorn over Legolas.
>>92731038>Legolas>EffeminateCompared to who? Gimli?
>>92730140Gen Z have like SOME people who give a damn, usually the older Gen Z. Alpha has exactly zero because most of them can't even read.Culture will hard reset in 100 years and everything will be forgotten.
>>92731136I literally just said, compared to Aragorn, you blind fuck.
>>92731192Aragorn having a beard and being old doesn't make him more masculine than Legolas. Also, quite sure women preferred Legolas over Aragorn, tons of women watched Lord of the Rings solely because Orlando Bloom was in it.
>>92730140I've been DMing a game for my nephews and a few of their friends. trying to incorporate classic stiff where and when I can.
>>92731212Spoken like a true perma-virgin. You need to touch grass (and by "Grass" I mean pussy).
>>92731281>Actually defending aging Millennial flannel beards as masculine.Maybe you should take your own advice, but maybe shave first so you don't have some gross neckbeard.
>>92731240I find that most younger people either think everything old is bad (Like, the one guy who even knows who Conan is said "It's just a dumb barbarian stabbing some evil wizard every week") or have zero interest because it's "dead" (doesn't have new movies or TV shows coming out).Like they call anything that doesn't get constant new content "dead". And aren't interested.
>>92724658They're one of the most popular races in the 5E and in many MMOs, such as WoW, they're one of the most played. They're also one of the most popular factions in WHFB, and even AoS.>>92725733>>92725686I do, but I was born in 1996 and I liked Blue Oyster Cult growing up.
>>92725789Thing is: Melniboneans have pointy ears. And I think in the Eternal Champion multiverse, the analogues for Melniboneans are elves in other worlds, and they're recognized as the same people but from another world.
>>92728836They're one of the most popular race and gender options in tabletop games and MMOs. What are you smoking?
>>92731569>Melniboneans have pointy ears.When in the books are they described as having pointy ears? I recall Elric being described as gaunt and strange, but that's Elric himself.Comic adaptations usually have them have pointy ears, but that's because everything just makes them elves.
>>92731166Gen Alpha are all underages. They don't have an identity yet.>>92731444Anyone who thinks that way of Conan is not worth listening to, let alone playing with. Someone like that may have the same imagination as a cardboard piece.>Like they call anything that doesn't get constant new content "dead".This is fault of the old farts. You can expect someone just to learn an old system that nobody is playing like it was telepathy.
>>92724652elves are incredibly popular. It's dwarves that are dying out.
>>92732560Dwarves will become popular when fags stop portraying every dwarf as interchangableAlso stop giving dwarf women beards
>>92732582you will be turned into an elvish subrace like dwemer or regular humans suffering from dwarfism and prolly hate it.
>>92732616What's wrong with Snow White dwarves, for example, exactly
>>92732636Nothing. honestly chaos dwarfs are my favorite fantasy race but the writings on the wall and even the warcry team that they got was humies. at best we'll be the turbo jews of multi racial kingdoms for maybe a decade.
>>92731656I can't remember in which specific one, but I know in the Corum books he's described with pointy ears. And Corum is recognized as the same race as Elric, just by another world and culture. So it might've started as a retcon in a spinoff.
>>92724652I like male elves. they're kind of weird and hard to do well though, all the elf stereotypes in newer media are just 'asshole' or 'disaster gay'. making a likeable, well rounded male elf character can be a bit tricky. people just avoid that problem with female elves by making them outsiders looking for belonging or quiet tsunderes
>>92731423>Maybe you should take your own advice, but maybe shave first so you don't have some gross neckbeard.Why? I already have a wife, you clearly don't.
>>92725774>Gens Z and Alpha have ZERO interest in anything made before they were bornI'm Gen Z, and half of the media I interact with is either my age or older now.Gen Alpha is only 14 years old at most, which is a bit before people start getting into the classics.
>>92732956god I pray this shithole burns before infecting their minds.
>>92730140NTA, but I made my own RPG and am actively developing expansions for it.
>>92732956I'm late Gen Z, but I know I was into the classics in high school and middle school. But that seemed to be more the exception, not the norm.
>>92732960I think 4chan is becoming increasingly irrelevant these days. The only pipelines I can imagine those gen alphas would take are through reddit/discord into /v/ or the political youtuber pipeline into /pol/ (if it still exists).Discord is the real menace these days, because at least 4chan has mildly consistent moderation and anonymity.>>92732996I started exploring at around the same time as well. My point is that Gen Alpha is at the point in time where they're just starting to break into the classics, so it's too early to judge.
>>92731444Media has simply become too disposable. Nobody these days can appreciate a story or work for the sake of itself. Everything is all about the hype train. People follow things not out of enjoyment or appreciation but to keep up with all the memes and social media trends. Oh they'll yell and cheer here and now but in a months time when the fad dies down and the new thing takes hold they'll but have forgotten what they used to be such ardent fans of as if it never existed in the first place. Nobody cares about Avengers End Game now. Nobody still talks about infinity war. People barely even remember the first Avengers movie to say nothing of how forgettable Ultron was. And now that the hype is over who even remembers any of these? All the Star Wars had come and gone. A Netflix show may last a weekend after it finishes a season. Nobody will just sit down to enjoy things they like and instead insist they need a steady died of new and shiny. People play video games all of once and then forget them forever.
>>92727151this pic makes me scream>>92725733people bemoan the death and transformation of culture when it's sometimes doubtful it was that good to begin with. there'll be other stories and hopefully, if elric was that good people will fight to keep it in memory>>92731166I'm older gen z. fantasy as a genre is in dire straits and in need of renewal desu. it existed in relation to reference material, scenes and past works that are themselves mostly gone. it doesn't have much of a connection to real life and it grows more theme park like and self-referential. that's my take
>>92733056I pray for the day when the pendulum swings back in the direction of honest sincerity and non smug self aware wannabe subversive trash. I swear every hack for the past few decades has thought they were be so clever when if anything they've become nothing more than a parody of parody.
>>92733097That's one of the reasons why so many people watch anime these days. Even the shitty, trope-filled isekai shows feel genuine.I think it's also one of the reasons why TTRPGs are growing, since they let people tell genuine stories. Once you get a more mature group, it's hard to beat.
>>92733097fantasy imo is partly about understanding our own world and partly what it'd be like to live in another, which is why I like fantasy drawing on spec fic, history, myth, poetry and religion. it's engaging directly with the wondering about 'what we could be' that permeates our lives. it also demands a lot, trying to make sense of different cultures and time periods through individual characters. fantasy continues to degenerate imo through 'fantasy aesthetics' and videogames and fantasy anime. I love a lot of that stuff but it's also kind of a dead endI think the 'trying to be clever' is a real low level hack thing. I think most people get over that mindset. I think the next fork or step above is how you treat characters and style in your fantasy writing. I don't see much that's really stylistically interesting; mostly I see fantasy being used as a medium to explore desires and kinds of characters that no longer exist irl, with a semi-aspirational subtext
>>92733038>Nobody still talks about infinity war. That's not only false, but your argument is stupid. This movie had like twenty sequels, it's obvious that people are going to stop talking about this specific movie.
>>92733177Nta but I had a similar situation with The Elder Scrolls, older gen Z as well and started with Skyrim, then went back and played Oblivion and Morrowind respectively and the Dunmer/Nords had a ton of interesting lore back then but a lot of it seems to have been simplified by the time of Skyrim for the sake of mass appeal, even worse is ESO where the vague descriptions of things like high elf cities and their crystalline glass cities that reflect sunlight now look like the standard high elf cities from Warhammer, I still love the later games but at this point I find myself looking forward more to the lore accurate DLC sized mods for the older games
>>92726372True
>>92725950Op btfo
>>92725950he is a vampire first, elf second
>>92734675Lol he's not even a vampire. Just elf with occasional fangs
>>92728226>prettyYeah, a woman.Though I think OP is ignoring Drizzt clones.
>>92724652>Why are male elves generally unpopular?Why are you?
>>92731212>Aragorn having a beard and being old doesn't make him more masculine than Legolas.Yes it does, That is just a small part of the many reasons why Aragorn is more masculine than Legolas, but it absolutely does, and I cannot imagine what kind of pathetic legumeslave would think otherwise.
>>92725290>elf>human>elf>lizard>elf>elfHate this setting so much it's unreal
>>92731038Male elves are more masculine than male humans and female elves are more feminine than female humans. Read the Silmarilion before you ever speak about elves.
>>92733735That's exactly his point, they're disposable. Make a new sequel and move on, etc
>>92735412Feanor did nothing wrong, but his chimpout doesn't come across as a very "masculine" thing to do.His brother, on the other hand...
>>92735290lol. it gives him a more masculine appearance but that doesn't necessarily make him a more masculine character
>>92735451>chimping out isn't masculineI know a lot of men who would disagree
>>92724652Legolas suffered twink death by the time of The Hobbit movies, which is ironic both because the Hobbit occurs 70 years before LoTR and because elves should take 2000 years to hit twink death
I find elven men extremely attractive and I have fantasies about them. Yeah rugged humans are sexy but elves can be sexy and traditionally masculine too and also have magic! However a cute male twink whose young and inexperienced but with enormous magic power that he is scared to use can also be pretty cute :)Unless elves in a setting/system actually are weaker than their human counterpart they're basically just sexy humans and if they aren't they are perfect template for that skinny dyel twink that women seem love over /fit/bros. >>92724658fpbpt. Tranny
>>92728103>Catholic masculinity.Compassion, humility, and self control?
>>92735768Those are universal, not only Catholic values. Buddhists, Orthodox, even Muslims proclaim the same virtues (and neither of them nor Catholics actually follow through).
>>92735861Everyone has their short comings, sure. But it's better to pursue those virtues and fail than to disregard them entirely.
>>92724652Men are usually the ones writing the stories so they make the pretty exotic women characters.
you did know of Astar, Pirotess' brother, right?
>>92735308...in what world would tieflings be considered a subset of elves?
>>92724652I suppose it might partially be because the most relevant and popular elves at the moment, by which I mean Frieren and Marcille, are female.
>>92725290I played a Human white-skinned brown-haired green-eyed male paladin in that game.
>>92737874male elves exist, but we don't show them much because it scares away the otakus
>>92725290>product of endemic rape is 1st choiceah yes, the russian player base
>>92738241dude, half-orc is way lower, where are you looking?
>>92732560Dwarves aren't exactly "dying out" only in need of a new image. Reddit's superficial cold take of what they think is "manly" is becoming increasingly outdated. Old values are on the rise.>>92732636You're arguing in bad faith. Pre-Tolkienian dwarves were indistinguishable from gnomes and kobolds.>>92735768Yes.>>92735861The others don't hold them up as the be all end all.
>>92737874Anything other than the 13 episodes ova is irrelevant to that franchise, and has much shittier art (the best part of Lodoss) which sucks. Astar and Cecil are hot
>>92738059more like the people that made Lodoss didn't give a fuck about elves not named Deedlit and Pirotess
>>92739455Yeah otakus, male otakus specificallyWith (some) exceptions the account world back then was predominately make and assumed at a make audienceSame could be said about the fantasy genre as a whole
>>92739829>AccountI meant anime>AssumedAimed >MakeMale
>>92733131>Even the shitty, trope-filled isekai shows feel genuine.The hell they do, fuck you.
>>92733735>This movie had like twenty sequelsYeah that's part of the problem. These franchises never end. Sequel bloat is far from a new concept certainly but they used to space them out far better and there was a point when another pointless Terminator or Aliens movie would be met with eye rolling disdain. But now the machine never ends. There's no time to actually process what you just watched or let it sink into the public consciousness because they got anywhere between 2 to 5 new movies coming out within the span of the next couple years. Pointless sequels to franchises that had a conclusion where and should be seen as a desperate attempt cash grab to make up for a complete lack of creativity but now thanks to the MCU engine people expect this as the new norm. God I miss when studios just let things be over. At least for a little while.
>>92725036love killing drizzt in bg1 and 2
>>92725290>Explain thisHalf-Elf is already the strongest race in the game with more ability score bonuses than anyone elf in a more favorable manner (+1/+1/+2 is equivalent to +1/+1 and a feat and half-elf gets MORE free shit on top of that), plus Baldur's Gate gave them free shield proficiency making them the best race for any spellcaster, AND by far the most common main character classes are CHA based because the protagonist needs to make a bunch of social checks (which is also why Paladin is so common of a choice), and Half-Elf's bonus +2 charisma is obviously best on them. Combine these together and it's no wonder why Half-Elf is the most common race. Most importantly the game doesn't have """"variant""""" human with a level 1 feat so there's very little reason to play as a human instead of a half-elf who can be made to look like a human anyways
>>92724658damn
>>92739829>>92739851Auto-correct getting the better of you, anon?
>>92724652I cannot roleplay black characters, I mean skin tone
