Seriously, when was the last time GW replaced a sculpt with a better one? Every time they redo a model it's always worse than what it was based on, look at any character sculpt, tanks, dreadnaughts, etc. The few times they do actually make an improvement it's because the old model was bad when it came out 25 years ago (old Marauders). Redditors seem to love this new Defiler though.
>>97525399There's a general to contain you 40kiddies and your inane thoughts in.
>>97525449>everything must be in generals!lollmao
Disagree, I like this one moreSorry but you have to be on a hard 'new bad, old good' bint to think otherwise
-99/10 bait. Old one looked like shitty LEGO knockoff toy, this one actually looks like warped fleshmetal beast. Buy glasses or something?
I don't like either and will convert one if I have to.
It's not that bad, the stupid fiend things, new obliterators and helbrutes all look a lot lot worse than this.
>>97525399It’s so fucking busy. It’s like GW in operating on a premise of more details = better design. I have a hard time describing it well but it’s like the nouveau riche mindset transferred to tabletop.
>>97525399They just couldn't resist adding nipple stubbers could they?
>>97525399Yikes, that's official?
>>97525449This is /tg/, not /tgg/
>>97525399The old, current one looks more like a machine. I kinda dislike how the new one looks like a demon or just big Space Marine. But i can understand that people disliked the clunkyness of the old kit.
>>97526761>looks like a demonI mean, it is, and has always been, a daemon-possed bit of machinery.
>>97525399What are you smoking?This is 10x better than the old one
>>97525399>new thing BAD!Yeah yeah yeah we've heard it before
>>97525449Stop seething just because 40k mogs your dogshit game of choice, retard.
>>97526761exactly, the whole fucking point is that the chaos stuff is supposed to be recognisable Imperium tech that has been twisted by the dark mechanicum, not this amorphous flesh garbage that looks more dark eldar than mechanicum STC tech.
>>97525449In fact, there is a whole board to contain the "40kiddies." It's called /tg/, and you're on it, tourist. If you're not here to talk about 40k or Dungeons and Dragons, specifically, you are here on our sufferance.Now lurk moar or GTFO.
>>97525399This is one of the best models we got since Abaddon.Holy shit.>>97526761I didn't think they could salvage this garbage so my expectations were zero.
>>97525399You are delusional.The old defiler is extremely ugly. I never understood why anyone got it.But then again we are talking about chaosfags who have no taste at all.
>>97525708It looks like a sack of shit with some armor pieces slapped on it.
>ImplyingI've spent the last 15 years or so NOT fucking buying the old piece of shit Defiler not even once. The Soul grinder was decent thoughThis new one mogs it so hard it's unreal
>>97527016People 25 years ago had no taste
>>97527031Just thinking about the new Hellbrute and Bikers is giving me a fucking boner.So glad I never bough anything pre-2016 holy shit.
>>97527029that honestly looks better than what we got
>>97527016It all starts to make sense when you realize the old Defiler was a key unit for Chaos in DOW, as with many things /tg/ reacts violently to when updated. The TWW secondary problem long predates TWW itself.
>>97525708The old one should have been updated to a newer standard, not turned into a helbroot.
>>97526789I meant that the old kit looks like a demon machine. The new one looks like a demon with robotic prostetics.
>we got Crabjacks at home
>>97526959And when you have the Soul Grinder. I can see that they merge both kits into one box.
>>97526959>the whole fucking point is that the chaos stuff is supposed to be recognisable Imperium tech that has been twisted by the dark mechanicumDefilers have always been a 100% chaos invention not based on any Imperial design.
I like the new Defiler, I still have a fondness for the old kit as I spammed them in Dawn of War once and also cause I killed my mates Brutalis dread with one but the old kit leg wise was awkward to put together.It also now looks alot like the battlecast Urgot skin from League especially the dual lascannon iron warriors picture. Which whilst being from League isnt actually too bad considering Urgot is cool as shit especially since his rework.Also it'll be nice to have interchangeable weapons compared to the current kit so a neat magnetising project
>>97526959Please tell me which Imperial vehicle you recognize in the design of the Defiler.
>>97527546it's gotta be
>>97526504I feel the same. But every time I point out how exhausting it is to just look at the new, ultra busy models, I get insulted by contrarians, trolls and redditors (which infest this very thread). The new model looks like a nightmare to paint and assemble but oh well, people are gonna eat it up anyway
>>97527728There’s literally no focal point. That’s why it’s exhausting looking at it. Either the painters or the designers or both are talentless hacks.
>>97527697LEGENDS'D
>>97525399OP, this is not bat at all, especially for modern GW.Of all the utter doghist they out out nowadays, you complain about THIS?
5 Minutes in GIMP
>>97527929It's still too busy, I hate that new GW kits are designed to be painted with contrast, where they'll actually sculpt huge gouges into metal (for example look at the claws) so that little dipshit 40slop players can just dunk the thing in contrast and have it come out visually cluttered
>>97525449Fuck off faggot tourist.
>>97525399>old models>while you canIs there a reason you didn’t have these 40 year old models you suddenly care about?
>>97525449No we decided when we got rid of quests that /tg/ is only for generals and Warhammer bait. Traditional Games? That’s bait it’s actually /whg/ - Warhammer General
>>97528159Because I'm moving to a foreign country in the summer and don't want to have to lug over many unopened GW boxes, I also have limited money and limited storage space, I'm also working on other projects
>>97526959The Iron Warriors and Dark Mechanicum have had 10,000 years in space hell to conduct R&D. The implication that they are somehow dogmatically bound to reiterating the same design over and over like their loyalist counterparts is the dumbest take I've heard in some time. GW is clearly trying to make the CSM range more than just "marines, but with spikes."
>>97526761I don't want anyone who doesn't own this model to speak on its quality. The thing was stupidly annoying to build because of the legs.
>>97525399Nah m8. They turned the silliest daemon engine into a Garthim soldier. A+.
>>97525399>Buy old models whilst you canI've already got a decade-long backlog, thanks. Besides that, I can always drop 10x the normal price on something i want really badly.
>>97528218>I don't want anyone who doesn't own this model to speak on its quality. The thing was stupidly annoying to build because of the legs.>stupidly annoyingAs in annoying to stupid people?I assembled several and frankly it really wasn't difficult. The rear legs were at fixed angles and fit snugly enough into their ball joints.
>>97528218I own it and you are just suffering from a skill issue. Also the posing and painting on the old Defiler on GWs website was always dogshit so nomodels and hobbylets hate it while true knowers know that it was kino
>>97525399>chaos gets another Defiler>Orks still stuck in 2003
>>97525449Fippybippy. 40kids stay seething.
>>97529065Didn't Chaos get nothing for their year? That just means you need to wait a year for it to be Eldar focus to get lots of orkz or something. I dunno, GW is retarded. Just wait for it's the worst time to release orkz and they'll do it.
>>97528182Be honest. You don't have models
>>97525399I get what they were going for but it just seems way too similar to the Skorpekhs.Oh well. We still have Heldrakes and Forgefiends.
>>97529065Every release is an ork release though
>>97525399If you prefer the old defiler to the new one you need your head examined.
>>97529065What about all the Snakebite shit, new ghaz, mono-pose boyz (lul), deffkoptas, tankbustas, and kommandos? Wasn't there a new mek too?
40K players aren’t beating the “everything must be a marine for me to like” allegations on this one. The new Defiler is just a big space marine
>>97526761This one just looks mass-produced. The new one looks like an artisan product, the sort of thing a warpsmith put a lot of work into detailing. This is the one mini where changing it from the classic boxiness to rounding off its shape really works.
>>97529844The fuck you mean? The defiler should look mass-produced since it was one of the "work house" daemon engines that got pumped out constantly compared to others. Literally the most common of the daemon engines.
>>97529975...and I typed "work house" and not "work horse", fucking hell.
>>97525399Nice fake AI image.
>>97529975just because it's plausible lore-wise for something to look like shit doesn't mean making it look like shit is the best option. i get the complaints about visual clutter, but the old one literally looked like a lego
>>97525399are we pretending that the old sculpt was good now?
>>97526959>the whole fucking point is that the chaos stuff is supposed to be recognisable Imperium tech that has been twisted by the dark mechanicumthis has *not* been the design philosophy for nearly a decade now, anon.
>>97529791>all the Snakebite shitI wish we got new Snakebite shit, the Ork Beast Snagga™ Kill Rig™ and Beastboss on Squigosaur™ feel far more like a brand new faction first, an attempt to make AoS Grand Order Destruction era orks into Snakebites second, and Snakebites (either converted WHFB or old lead 40k) an extremely distant third.
>>97525399My biggest complaint is that the daemon-flesh is so poorly integrated with the actual machine, it just looks like someone hotglued that lower area. Extremely disappointing lack of actual biomechanical kino.
>>97525399>new 40k CSM sculpt coming out>ask redditchan if it's machinekino or fleshslop>they/them don't understand>pull out diagram explaining the difference between machinekino and fleshslop>they/them laugh and say "it's a good sculpt sir">it's fleshslop
>>97527029Satirical mish-mash design not only nailed exactly the style which GW would go for, but also managed to do it better than GW themselves.
>>97525399old defiler had a bit of charm, but the head on that thing always looked retarded and the model as a whole just didn't commit enough to being either a mech or a spider tank, this new model fixes both those problems with the more upright posture of the torso piece making it a proper mech and giving the head a place it should be.they went a bit overboard with the greebling and the chaos trim problem, and I'm personally not 100% on-board with putting flesh on it, but these are tiny nitpicks compared to the problems of the old defiler.
>>97525399>>97526761The new one looks like >let's get the spikiest machine bits we have and make something really deadly out of themwhereas the old one is more of a >we had an old excavator lying around so we put a demon inside it lolThe lore is vague enough for both interpretations to work.It even makes sense for the old design to represent something mass-produced by dark mechanicum in the early days while the new one is a warpsmith having fun in his forge.
>>97527029It's eerie how close this was to the actual new kit. In fact its damn near spot on. Maybe GW model designers quietly browse 4chan to shitpost every now and then
It's a fun new ork kit.
>>97525399I'm sure someone can do a better edit than me but I kind of like the idea of swapping the torsos between the new and the old styles.
>>97530603>uhh those don't countOrk players are by far the worst.
If this was a new Soulgrinder, I'd like it. As a Defiler it's trash.Chaos used to have some variety; more mundane stuff like Dreadnoughts, Hell Talons, the various tanks described in Gaunt's Ghosts were all basically just metal album cover versions of regular technology. Then you have the Mind of a Madman stuff like the Heldrake, Blood Slaughterer, and Defiler which were still recognisably machines but batshit crazy and made using constrained warpfuckery. At the extremes were the Fleshmetal abominations and full-blown technodaemonic stuff like god-dedicated Titans and Obliterators. Stuff used by guys who worship Chaos, stuff that uses Chaos to make stuff, and Chaos itself manifest. Variety. But I guess that's not legally distinct enough for modern GW so now everything is the same Flanderized slop.
I wanna turn it into the spider mastermind from doom. Whoever wants the half of a jotyoy chaos marine that's supposed to go on top of it can have that part.
>>97526761I like how utilitarian and almost-practical the old Defiler is, it looks like an engineer sat down and designed an insane crab tank that was revealed to him in a drug-fuelled nightmare or something and I dig it.
>>97525399>Seriously, when was the last time GW replaced a sculpt with a better one?Literally the entire Eldar range refresh so far.
>>97525522I think anons often mistake this for a general board because /tg/ seems a little similar to /vg/ and they forget that this is just a normal board that has some generals but isn't high traffic enough to justify a dedicated generals board.
>>97525399Only faction that got defiled (pun intended) were space marines when GW came up with Primaris. Every other faction has gotten a faithful upgrade that has always been an improvement
>>97526761The new one looks closer to a Soul Grinder.I hate it that all Chaos daemon engines must be some organic and mechanic mix instead of making one group being made of Imperial tech twisted by Chaos energies while the other is forged by the hell smiths of the Soul Forge.
>>97527059At least those Mutilators look better than the current Obliterators.
>>97532567I only dislike the new Maugan-Ra model. I liked when he looked like someone whose hobby was casually buck-breaking Marines.
>>97525399New CSM possesed are few levels better then old ones.If you like ugly defiler buy on ebay, Easy
>>97525399The framing of that skull in the front of this thing's waist makes me want to model a space marine to the mass of flesh at the base.
>>97527082>tau are eternally cursed to be the sterilization faction because of a DoW ending sometimes I wonder if the DoW games were worth this annoyance.
>>97532594They often mistake everything for a general board because they're redditors and as such come from a site that is entirely segregated by topic.
>>97525399you can build this in 36 diffrent ways. How can you not like this model?
>>97525399I like the crabfiler someone posted on the other site.I think if they make the legs higher like the admech spider walkers and had the torso sit under or level with the apex of the knees, it would look a ton betterAlso missed opportunity for chest mount ursus claw world eaters melee defiled and other legion specific versions.
>>97526761I am sympathetic to people who liked this model (mainly because I own one, and a soul grinder, and a plague hulk), but it needs to be acknowledged that this model did not visually fit next to anything else in the modern CSM range. Every other daemon engine (and some non-DE things like helbrutes and obliterators) had shared visual details to make a force look coherent, but the Defiler had none of them. Now, the new model fits like a glove.
>>97526761It looks like a "man of iron"
>>97530603Beast sagga's would have made more sense as an example of...> what if a mad dok oddboy was incharge instead a warboss or big mek?All people saw was the snakebites color scheme and beast boss mozrog, Had they instead pitched them as grotsniks corpse lootas like that blurb in the 8th edition codex. (drop the beast boss models, integrate the painboys into the subfaction, call BSB's "stitch boyz", present the painboss as grotsnik himself, etc) then it would have been a lot more well received, I mean the kill rig playset would still be shit but still a better reception than what they got.
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>>97534140Chaos CRAB, LOL
>>97525399I don't see what the big deal is, he's got a base now if you don't like how he looks then just put something else on the base
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>>97531269I think you misundestand me anon. I don't think those models don't count, they definitely do count as ork models. The don't count as Snakebite models, they are something new. Imagine if you will GW putting out models that bore little resemblance to space marines beyond being in power armour. They were more a rip-off of warmahordes warjacks both in scale and aesthetics (just given a GW art pass), but they did use melee weapons and jump packs so people told the Blood Angels players that this was a BA release. That is what happens when Snakebite players get told that the Beast Snagga releases are Snakebite releases. As an ork player, all vehicle releases are ork releases, all WHFB/AoS/TOW ork/orruk releases are ork releases, I am not complaining about that. That said, you can't paint a Sister of Battle blue and tell people it is the new Ultramarine Primaris Lieutenant, and you can't release a set of models that share no real aesthetics with Snakebites beyond "a little less advanced tech", not even call them Snakebites and then proudly tell me they are Snakebites.This anon >>97534256 seems to get what I am on about, there was a right way to sell it and "hey we brought back Snakebites if that gives you 'member berries but not really" was about the worst way to do it.
>>97535424>there was a right way to sell it and "hey we brought back Snakebites if that gives you 'member berries but not really" was about the worst way to do it.There was just so much wasted potential there. Like on thier own people love cyborkz, squigz, and monster hunting, and they already teased the idea of grotsnik's corpse lootas warband running down big boyz, monsters, and beaky'napping primaris marines and using the glut of loot, scrap, and body parts to stitch together more boyz and litterally snowball the warband. It would have been such a smooth transition just to make it out as a whole subkulture using the beast snagga models that were seemingly already in the pipe. Instead they wrap it all up in a package people can't help but have to pick apart.
>>97535736I'm glad you get it anon (and that my initial tone wasn't just "hurrrrr I don't like thing it doesn't count"), I think that ork players are absolutely fine with being given new things but revolted at the mass of media seemingly trying to tell us to replace old thing with new in our brain. I know people who are the sort to buy all ork releases but have them next to RT space ork raiders on hex bases, gorkamorka diggas, WHFB orks led by some nob with a shoota, all because their WAAAAAGH has snowballed over time, and the WAY that the Beastsnagga release was handled felt like an attempt to get ork players to disassociate what they felt about certain aspects of kulture and just adopt the new models as replacement. Ork players love adding to the mob, they don't like replacing the mob.
>>97525449Not in its current state.
>>97535962How are there three of them with over 600 posts each and none of them have died yet!?
>>97528205GW fucked up and the new defiler is clearly GW trying to link it thematically to the virus that creates mutilators and obliterators, but it's supposed to be a fucking monstrous robot walker with a daemon in it. None of the other daemon engines have a bunch of flesh on them so it doesn't look like a defiler. It looks like it should be some kind of upgrade for the Helbrute, or getting rid of the existing helbrute entirely and replacing it with a chaos dreadnaught again and making this thing the new helbruthe.
>>97536199>None of the other daemon engines have a bunch of flesh on themVenomcrawler, Blight-Hauler, Bloat-Drone(both Fetisd and Greater), Skull Cannon, Soul Grinder, Forge Fiend, Mauler Fiend... To be clear I am only counting "machine possessed by a daemon" here not "person possessed by a daemon wearing a machine" or "no daemon but it still looks like that cause the faction spends a lot of time exposed to the warp"
>>97536199>None of the other daemon engines have a bunch of flesh on them so it doesn't look like a defiler.Outside of the Heldrake and Lord of Skulls, all of the daemon engine scults have flesh on them. Even the Helbrute does as well
I just want CSM riding horse shaped daemon engine cavalry I don't care how fleshy they are I'm just gonna paint it like its death stranding style living tar.
>>97536260Surprisingly the plague burst crawler is a daemon engine, and despite being deathguard its not sculpted as oozing with fatguys from every hatch and panel gap either. Still being flesh free is a minority at least in plastic.
>>97525399Have anyone put the old Defiler on a base? Which base size would fit? And yeah the nu-defiler is awful.
>>97532567Yes this and the Dark Eldar are the exception.
>>97528437Yeah well fuck Netflix so much bros for cancelling the show.
