who else up running they gutter edition>Previously, in the Mortal Realms>>97759297>Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata, and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:https://aosg.github.io/https://sigdex.io/>Thread question:Final adepticon hopes and expectations?
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>TQNew cogfort is used for some kind of narrative spearhead game.
Now that we know AoS as a setting is being squatted, what are your hopes/fears in relation to the new setting. What changes do you want to see made?
>>97764247COGFORT COGFORT
>>97764262Buy an ad.
>>97764260This but unironicallyThe leaks say hammerhal ghyra will have taal instead of sigmar as main patron deity, taal is just the human name for kurnous
Do I buy him as my next painting project
>>97764261>>97764263Make sure you buy the Cogfort on launch, it's not certain it will make it to the new setting. So the longer you wait the less guaranteed time you have to use it on the table!
Just coming back to AoS , any body hev current General’s Handbook pdf ?
>>97764262this guy is a fag lol
>>97764262>>97764283You guys seem to be the experts on squatted settings, so maybe you can give us some tips.
>>97764311From what we learned yesterday it turns out Fantasy will outlast AoS as a setting. Sigsisters can't stop taking L's. Especially now that we know GW agrees with the grogs that the Mortal Realms are a shit tier setting.
reminder that everything is going according to plan. This was all planned starting from the very first edition of Age of Sigmar. Trust the plan
>>97764327Less than 0 effort went into this post can you guys atleast try? I know effort is a foreign concept to fantasy fans but pls have some decorum
>>97764343>skrillex haircut>woman>black guyLmao AoS was cooked from day 1
>>97764327>From what we learned yesterday it turns out Fantasy will outlast AoS as a setting.Mhmm that's odd, it seems fantasy got taken out back and shot more than a decade ago? Are you sure it's warhammer fantasy you're talking about? Maybe you're confusing it for something else?
>>97764362Nah TOW is Fantasy. Same setting, same world, same gameplay. Meanwhile The Mortals Realms are going to be slaughtered wholesale along with your namesake character. Not even GW likes AoS as a setting LMAO
>>97764277Ye, Nagash is cool. Absolutely a nightmare to actually use in the game proper unless you like playing like... 1 list per faction. but he's a cool fucking model.
>>97764362FYI, even GW considers TOW and WHFB to be the same setting, though different product lines.
>>97764375>same gameplayGod I hope not
>>97764375>Nah TOW is Fantasy.IT IS NOT. As someone who actually delved into the setting that's like calling rogue trader modern 40k. The maps arent even the same (which also retcon a ton of locations), and just general retcons in general. Its a skin suit of fantasy and the moment people realize that its illusion will crumple away. At least with people who actually engaged with it. >>97764392>even GW considersGw used a fucking fan map as an official map because it was on a wiki because they dont know anything about the setting. I wish this was a joke.
>>97764406This is genuinely a really sad cope. But I understand the hysteria. Learning that even the company making your lame setting thinks it's gay and sides with the grogs you've been arguing with for 10 years. I pity you.
>>97764406That's what bugged me about TOW, I'd have rather they just fucking slapped out "Warhammer Fantasy: Again". Having it be during some irrelevant time frame when the whole premise was to pander to total war players. Literally could have made 2 bajillion dollars just making a new Karl Franz and Gelt model.
>>97764433They didn't side with the grogs, otherwise they'd just put out fantasy again in any meaningful way. Now if only the grogs would go back to their sad thread instead of coming here.
>>97764343>starting from the very first edition of Age of Sigmar.I keep recalling the merging of the realms was first suggested in an actual publication in a novel, I don't remember which one, but it had a few stormcasts discussing about their purpose in the wider war for the realms, noting that their numbers were way too small compared to the forces of chaos, death and destruction, if they were meant to retake all the realms inch by inchand so one of them relayed hearsay about how the realmgates are bridges and about how those bridges could be used as chains to pull the realms together, because ape strong together or some principle like thatother than that it cropped up here and there as either an iconic or unironic suggestion to fix aos
>>97764262>Now that we know AoS as a setting is being squattedIt isn't, even if the leak is real, setting will go through a gathering storm esque event
>>97764459They are killing AoS and replacing it with a Fantasy derivative. Grogs won.
>>97764490Technically they lost twice if AoS is being killed too. It means fantasy double died for nothing.
>>97764433>This is genuinely a really sad copeYes tow pretending to be fantasy is sad. People thinking its "just fantasy" when the people behind it know nothing about FB is the same level of delusion as accepting axe wounded males as women.
>>97764510>>97764504This is a new level of hysteria. I am sorry for your loss.
Maybe the end times will be a good thing. The fluff has been unsalvageable for a decade, and the game has been dull for two editions. Could be this is a gold opportunity to make the game not flat dice rolls that make your enemy no matter, Just make 4th edition 40k rules but not sci-fi.
>>97764523when you cant respond its best to not make it so obvious.
>>97764489Don't bother, their favourite sloptuber already made an "aos end times!?" video so now that's what the tards will be spamming here for the next year. Gw could change the colour of the font age of sigmar is written in and these guys will think it means aos is getting squatted.Tow is getting nothing in adepticon unfortunately so they've got no better place to be. Maybe once they show some chaos warriors they'll be back in their own thread discussing their own game, but for now just try avoid stepping in their shit.
>>97764523>literally wastes his time shitposting in a general about a game he doesn't play>h-hysteria!fucking lmao
>>97764523Sorry anon, the only cope I'm seeing...Is you.
>>97764530Doesn't sound like this'll bring any gameplay changes (unfortunately) just a kind of narrative soft reboot
AoS chads... What failed so hard for this game to end like this?
>>97764543>>97764551>>97764551>>97764535I don't see a point in arguing with hysterics who claim TOW isn't Fantasy. It's such a self evident delusion that I can only chop it up to temporary madness from learning about the death of your beloved setting. Me, well I am happy The Mortal Realms are being taken out back and shot. GW finally making a good decision regarding AoS.
>>97764568>more schizobabblekek
>>97764561GW never made ghouls with muskets.
>>97764568your axe wound is smelling worse than the Arabs that Bretonia had fought during their crusades. Oh wait actually it turns out they were just fighting undead instead.
>>97764561Should have bought the card game, and the videogames and more plastic kits. I mean it was still a financial success but not as much as GW wanted it to be so this is your fault and not GW's poor management.
If you are given the choice to get the three "leaked" Humanoid Armies , Not!Nipping army among them.Or have the possibility of 3 armies one of them being for example a new Death army, a new Destruction army and a new Dwarf range, what you choose?
>>97764601>3 boring human factions or more deathkinoStopped reading there as I already made my choice
>>97764343I'm not reading all that. Sum it up.
>AoS is still profitable but not good enough so it's getting bodyslammed by GW>WFB was still profitable but not good enough so it got bodyslammed by GW>Warcry was still profitable but not good enough so it got bodyslammed by GWPattern recognition. Remember Apocalypse, or the 40k plane game, or Shadow War Armageddon, and Titanicus?
Maybe if you guys actually bought models instead of just talking about AoS this wouldn't be happening :^)
>>97764601Ghouls with muskets!
>>97764652At least MESBG is safe due them wanting to deny the IP, and with minimal fuckery to the rules/gameplay over a quarter of a century.
>>97764685yeah it's so irrelevant GW doesn't even give a fuck
>>97764656Hold on lemee post some metal beastmen I bought
>>97764693Not AoS.
>>97764692Being irrelevant and at the same time being desired by GW is the best situation you could be in. MESBG has been safe and will be safe for the future. Mainline GW games will not be.
>>97764375>Not even GW likes AoS as a setting LMAOthen why has it sold constantly beyond anyones wildest expectations? They even made a whole new setting just for it which streamlines the lore (who cares about that anyway), while grogs are still burdened with decades of loreslop that prevents any meaningful progressive change to the setting. AoS, in contrast, is free to adapt to modern times to cater to a modern audience.
>>97764656These implies AoS is financially broken when reality says is just behind 40k, the most profitable Tabletop game in history... But it seems James and faggot designers don't see that as enough so they want a broader audience.
I don't really care if they finally do the "pull all the realms together" plan that they've been constantly hinting at since 1st ed, as long as all the existing factions still exist in some form (We can discuss fyreslayers getting souped)
>>97764710I think it's less they want a broader audience and more they can fuck with other properties as opposed to 40k which much remain the same forever. Because change like, a tube on a space marines helmet and there will be several cities in the UK burned down by a bunch of autistic psychos who own the anarchists cookbook.
>>97764706Oh yeah baby, bend over and prepare to be adapted to modern times.>>97764710Maybe your ICV2 charts don't represent the global picture? I know you won't ever accept that, but GW doesn't actually publish figures for each game. I would imagine it's a lot worse than you think it is if they are going this far to reboot it.
>>97764710The problem isn't the tabletop game, the problem is that 40k has huge reach outside of the models and rules whereas AoS has no truly popular games, no wider discussions of lore (besides shitting on it with 10 year old arguments) and no real cultural impact.I think it CAN have all that, but it will really depend on how they actually handle the new setting.
just dont touch my lizards or rats james, thats all i care about(i'd loathe to lose my stormcast too, but i can at least deal a bit more with that. would suck to lose krondys tho.)
>>97764718>not being a doomer>having hope
>>97764652>picrelExplanation mark at the end ruins the whole scene. The devil really is in the details.
>>97764748All I wanted was for them to start working more on the setting itself, and if this is the way they do it, fine. I don't care if the map changes, because the map barely mattered in the first place.Crash Hammerhal right where the ruins of Altdorf would be. Who cares? It's been nearly a decade and the entire realm of Azyr (Which should be one of the most documented, well known, well traveled, well mapped places in the Mortal Realms) is still a complete mystery to readers besides Azyrheim and Malleus. It's a total farce.
Feels so good to be Chaos and be the only GA that will go unscathed from all this stupid shit lmao.Winning for the second time in a row, bros!
>>97764747Only Rob is saying that SCE will be squatted in the transition. Personally I think it's more likely they will just make them mortal and call it a day, for them to be true Fantasy space marines. It could be cool if no more could be made as well, so each one lost would be a real tragedy.
>>97764247>Final adepticon hopes and expectations?Are they finally cancelling adepticon?This end times rumour shit isn't real, AOS is their second best selling range so there's no financial impetus for such a decision.
>>97764781So if they become mortal what the fuck happens to all the lightning geists and other shit. Also mortal stormcast feels a bit silly, BUT could bring us closer to having Felix back in the setting so maybe it's a worthwhile trade.
>>97764781genuinely just keep krondy legal, i love my boy(i know they will, he's a 100+ dollar centerpiece, but still)also honestly making them mortal would suck, their entire appeal to meis the whiole tradeoff
>>97764718>>97764741I hope, if the rumor does come true, that the more limited setting helps them make AoS a better one. Trying to do what they did with 8 realms clearly spread the limited and corporate profit-driven creative resources too thin. In better, or at least less restricted hands, I have no doubt that the setting could have flourished. It always had the issue of depth because GW always needed to provide just enough set dressing for whatever plastic toys were coming out at the time. Consider with me the amount of times you read a cool lore blurb and wanted to look further into it only to find that blurb was literally the only mention of that idea.
>>97764781You could even just turn off their reforging, but still continue to allow them to be created. Then they really are just warriors of chaos (good)
>>97764601>If you are given the choice to get the three "leaked" Humanoid ArmiesThe only way I can want them is if they're discount jolly co-operation with A respective race parent but also with humans. For example>Not! cathayA Human subfaction that is enthralled by lumineth, but are capable of finding and capitalizing on "dragon-blooded" people that have mysterious ties and are drawn to the lumineth in their new settlers gain. Dragon blooded are capable of learning from the new realms space quicker but also much more self destructive. >not!BretoniaJust order of the furrow with sylvaneth. Cmon its all right there. Lets make high fantasy brets but not fucking gay already. >Nippondwarves. I dunno why but the both just mix. Fyre slayers also have some east asian dragon motifs all over the place with vulatrix too. Give them some samurai human helpers too with yokai.
>>97764795>what the fuck happens to all the lightning geists and other shitthey died on the way to their home planet
there's no way they nuke SCE, right? posterboy and all that, plus the primaris thing shoulda tought them
>>97764795>>97764814They could write a sentence about how Archaon personally hunted down every last one and slaughtered them like dogs.
>>97764821I mean they wouldn't nuke them but entirely possible to just do some stupid story changes. Even if they killed Sigmar there's like 0% chance he'd be dead, he'd probably come back somehow or didn't die in the first place as we literally just saw with Yarrick in 40k.
>>97764807The problem with the realms is that they were just TOO MUCH setting.I don't mean the usual "Everything is too spread out" meme, I mean there was simply way too much space to fill for the amount of writers that actually worked on it.If AoS had the full resources of the 40k team, they still would have struggled to make each realm feel full and alive.Putting it all back on one planet would alleviate a lot of that, it doesn't even need to look like the old world.
>>97764821The Primaris thing was a massive financial success. Turns out people will rebuy the posters boys again and again.
>>97764821they'll primaris' the SCE, they will drink Sigmar's blood or so and become larger, bigger and have shinier armour, just like the Primaris marines. The firstborn SCEs will be slowly phased out after every named character crosses the Rubicon Sigmaris
>>97764795Lightning gheists become true lightning gheists, just haunted armour basically
>>97764601We don't need more human factions in this game. We don't have the zombie army of NagashWe don't have Malerion armyWe don't have a proper orruk army in DestructionWe have only 1 and half dwarfs flavoursThere are plenty of concepts like Grootbag Scuttlers or Root Kings to explore.AoS doesnt need Bretonnia or Cathay shit.
>>97764852>orruk armywhat the fuck are ironjaws then
>>97764852sounds like you're not the target audience anymore :^)
what if they change the gloomspite gits to be the Goonshit Grunts and they-
>>97764710Anon, no GW game has been unprofitable. Not even the battle of 5 armies game.AoS is getting end times'd like Fantasy because it didn't sell as much as they wanted it to. Which is irrelevant to how much they actually make. If line doesn't go up high enough it is a loss and failure even if it's pure profit.
RIP AoS you were a fun game
>>97764343>>97764350This is from the 4th ed battletome, not the 1st But it is true that AoS was pronounpunk from the very start
>>97764878But you never played it so how would you know?
Why is everyone freaking out?It's literally just a lore event. The game will stay the same, it's probably still going to be called AoS, just the singular merged realm will be called the Last World, not a name change to the game itself.If you love the realms concept, them being merged is fair enough to miss it. But the new world will be just the realms condensed. Ulgu will be a shadowy continent and hysh will be a light continent etc. even from a lore standpoint it's not such a massive change. Rather than nebulous realms we will have continents/islands on a singular planet that represent the realms.Sigmar will die but again, does that affect the tabletop? No. Does anyone even like Sigmar?IMO having the name of the game tied to him was a problem to begin with. If he dies and is effectively out of the picture like The Emperor it's better for the setting.Do people not fucking understand how to read?It's a lore change, that's it. Anyway, I'm going to buy more witch elves because fuck the sexless blood hags
>>97764710AoS has profitable product lines, but as an IP, its value is probably disproportionately low. AoS is a good tabletop setting, but a bad setting for anything else. I would not be surprised if the licensing fee for WHFB is higher than the fee for AoS.
>>97764861As a business that's kind of retarded. I work for a publicly listed company, we have lines that are more profitable than others, BUT over years, things change, we see sometimes a battler come good or a previously successful thing so poorly.As long as they make a profit of some sort we keep them around
>>97764903>"anyways, im going to buy more 90s sculpts because i cant goon my limp, senseless shriveled tranny cock to women wearing anything more than a bikini"
>>97764903>Why is everyone freaking out?it's offboard tourists sperging out, it will calm down in a couple days
>>97764903>Anyway, I'm going to buy more witch elves because fuck the sexless blood hagsThis anon is correct.
>>97764903Based until the last line then you became mega based
>>97764912>I would not be surprised if the licensing fee for WHFB is higher than the fee for AoSI would bet any amount of money this is the case. AoS has no mainstream breakthrough at all. WHFB does with Vermintide, Total War etc. I imagine AoS licensing fees are more a token than an actual cost because GW just wanted someone to actually make something with it.
>>97764914The company I work for sat the whole floor down to tell us our second most profitable year in history was a failure because we didn't meet the sales quotas.
>>97764903I just saw it described perfectly. It’s a lore advancement that is more drastic than Gathering Storm but not to the degree of End Times.I think people are just wary because of End Times and trauma from relentless squatting.
>>97764781>>97764810But if Sigmar is dead and Azyr is down as in the rumors then no more SCEs can be made and the ones who are still alive are on their way yo extinction (read squatting from the game) as they can no longer respawn either
>>97764903hopefully reveals stream makes all the trolls shut up or talk about something else like black cos models
>>97764948Materially it is basically just the End Times 2.0 . Nothing from Fantasy was squatted for AoS 1.0, everything was transitioned to soften the blow for fantasy players. Only later on did they squat a lot of Fantasy stuff and replaced it with AoS originals. The same will happen with The Last World I imagine. No way IDK and KO survive to 2.0
>>97764948We know a lot of squatting are gonna happen, that's not a surprise. Please GW do not soup DoK to make shitty offbrand dark elves when we already have dark elves in TOW.
>>97764957Stormcast Eternals becoming ironically not-eternal would be interesting to see their use in the setting pivot. Do they become more of a last resort force rather than the spearhead of Order? Would be funny to see them also start getting called “Eternals” in universe instead of Stormcast, much to the glee of that one anon, as a sort of jab at their new situation.
>>97764903>Why is everyone freaking out?Fucking chuds are destroying /our/setting. I want to cry... AoS meant so much to me... it made me realize I was a woman... it stopped my depression.
>>97764976Yeah Chaos forces mocking them by calling them Eternals in the new setting would be kino
>>97764652>I learned that from my father!Which one, Aenarion or Snorri ?
>>97764978Me too...remember the majestic mortal realms...the deep lore...the ongoing character arcs...everything that has come since the days of 1e lost...like tears in rain
the amount of copium you fags are huffing these days is insane lmao
>>97764968>>97764974The “mitigating” rumormonger said no squatting will occur.
I kinda like that we get this huge change of the setting and continuation/evolution of the lore. These last 11 years are gonna be like a new "Age of Myth" in a way, but we as players got to live through it and when stuff in the new lore in a few years reference things from "the age of sigmar" or whatever they will call the setting with the mortal realms as myths and legends some of us will remember when it actually happened, played in it even. I think that in a way its the next step in a truly living setting, allowing the players to live through the myth and history of the world.As for the new world, new lore etc itself, I will engage with an open mind. As long as I can keep my models playable im fine.And I dont play named models anyway, so I dont care if all of them just dies except Krondys/Karazai which I actually own
>>97765004Read what I wrote again. There will be no squatting initially to ease everyone into it. If you think IDK are sticking around, I have a bridge to sell you.
Be sincere would you cry if they squat them? Not me, i would literally clap if we have a new faction every new edition box
>Kills Age of SigmarComplete /twg/ cultural victory
>>97764472It's a very old idea, the 4E battletome is not the first time it's mentioned, though it gets expressed a little differently each time.
>>97764276>taal is just the human name for kurnousCitation needed. Taal is his own god, not a name or an aspect of Kurnous.
>97765033Low quality bait should be banneable offense.
>>97764350Literally the most offensive thing is the insane overuse of that goddamn half shaved haircut. Why do half the fucking characters have it?
>>97765019I wouldn't cry but I like the stormcasts, I think the fatcasts had weirder shit and I'm sad stormcast now are a bit more normal looking but they're fine. I actually like the stormcasts conceptually as being these kinda sculpted heroes who just keep dying over and over again. Having a good guy faction just be straight up good guys is suprisingly uncommon I feel like.
>>97765007>These last 11 years are gonna be like a new "Age of Myth" in a way, but we as players got to live through it and when stuff in the new lore in a few years reference things from "the age of sigmar" or whatever they will call the setting with the mortal realms as myths and legends some of us will remember when it actually happened, played in it even. >I think that in a way its the next step in a truly living setting, allowing the players to live through the myth and history of the world.Surprisingly positive way of thinking about it, I just hope it doesn't become too grounded. I enjoyed the more fantastical high fantasy shenanigans from AoS.
>>97765019Last dark SCE were kino, i think they should keep the faction solely for those, but no more huge releases, other factions deserve nuch more attention.
>>97765019I think I'd give more of a shit about Stormcasts if they weren't their own whole army. It'd be a lot cooler if they were an elite unit within the normal human COS army, or something akin to an allied unit that Order factions could take. They would make way more sense from a lore perspective since how the fuck is Sigmar hammering out guys so fast? For the army to be as big as it is he'd need a SCE factory, not an anvil.
>>97765046Thank you for the (you)
>>97764957Whitefang was liking posts yesterday saying they'll reproduce more or less like Space Marines
>>97765089Space Marines are sterile.
>>97765103That has nothing to do with I said. They reproduce by using Geneseed to make new Space Marines. Stormcast we'll have some similar gimmick.
>>97765111Stormcast don't have geneseed.
>>97765111Wouldn't it make sense to just have them grab the anvil of apotheosis and do it themselves. They already can just reforge over and over again I don't think Sigmar needed to be there for each individual stormcast.
>>97764601Do not expect those 3 things to be actual model lines instead of just background shit
>>97764903The whole "Sigmar dying" part isn't even very consistent between the leaks, I think the only thing they've agreed on is that the realms get put back together into one planet and it *may* be vaguely reminiscent of the whfb map.
>>97765145Sigmar dying is the only consistent aspect of all the leaks.
>>97765145>and it *may* be vaguely reminiscent of the whfb map.Right, the example they gave was that Hysh is now an island, just like Ulthuan. Which is a hamfisted reference, but it also doesn't really mean anything.
>>97764984>Yeah Chaos forces mocking them by calling them Eternals in the new setting would be kinoThat leaves room for some genuinely cool story beats, like Stormcast being "Eternals" because when one is killed, their mask/armor is passed on to a new recruit who takes their name. Lean into it.
>>97765019I could see Ruination SCE becoming dedicated to Morr, they functionally already are.
>>97765160Which feels odd since aren't they already basically just continents (or at least the main bits we usually see are) I have that stupid poster of the realms right in front of me and it seems like it'd basically just slapping all the shit together and just calling it a planet but in reality it would effectively be the same shit
>>97765165they literally are
>>97765152Yeah and then he still has a spell lore + avatars, so he can't be all *that* dead.>>97765166The important areas of the realms are roughly continent sized, but a significant amount of lore (especially in the novels) takes place way outside the boundaries of any maps and are never mentioned again. It's what contributed to how disconnected the setting always felt.
>>97765171Yeah, so them surviving under the protection of Morr after Sigmar bites it doesn't even seem like that much of a stretch.
>>97765183that's what bugged me and why I'm kinda fine with the change if it happens. I like the concept of realms and realmgates but GW doesn't fuck with that as much as they used to and if them slapping all this shit into one spot gets them to get off their asses and actually WORLD BUILD in meaningful ways I'd enjoy that. It probably won't either way but still.
>>97765019Leaks said they're staying
>>97765191the rumors mention them staying around, it's pointless to consider them not surviving the real question is what sigmar's death is going to mean to them >can still be reforged somehow>to reforge someone a stormcast must die forever and give his energy >no one can be reforged anymore
>>97765235I assume they'll no longer reforge, but they do have the ability to recruit new members. Functionally it doesn't matter, it just means the named Stormcast guys will never ever die, just like Space Marines.
>>97765198Someone said it earlier, but I think if they kept the realms + realmgates but made each realm WAY smaller, it could have worked.>>97765235The easy way would be to make it more analogous to how Chaos ressurects champions. Have it require a ton of prayer, or even a bunch of flagellants whipping themselves to death to bring one stormcast back.Give it a real, material, human cost. Not just reforging syndrome (But keep that too).
>>97765252I was gonna say that’s a terrible idea but everything around this rumor is a terrible idea
>>97765247You can’t make a Stormcast without reforging some dickhead it isn’t just how they come back to life it’s how they’re made
>>97765252I mean they already made them way smaller, how much smaller do you want them?
>>97765299But they're not way smaller, they just have a map of some portions of it.Whole realms like Ulgu and Azyr are still total mysteries with nothing happening anywhere concrete, besides a few named cities that rarely have much more than a book.
>>97765328Man these are some ugly designs.
>>97764978>AoS meant so much to me... it made me realize I was a womanI once actually read a post on TGA which said exactly that
>>97765328Straight men can’t have SHIT in the mortal realms
ANYONE has FEC 3ed battletome?My deep thank you!
>>97765328Everyone freaking out over the start times when this is the biggest betrayal of a fanbase.
>>97765328Hags of Burkini
>>97765352I have a physical copy, does that count?
>>97765357Considering these are designs from 1-2 years ago, when the boomers still held control of AoS. Maybe with The Last World reboot zoomers will save the setting and bring back bikini aelves and get rid of the cringe millenial skrillex haircuts.Have hope, this reboot may mean a boomer sensibility purge.
>>97764903You aight morathiposter, you aight.
>>97765328those are some disgusting fucking ratsthe skaven look pretty alright though
>>97765328
>>97765378They made female custodes and gave them models, they're not making bikini elves again
>>97765378I'll remain skeptical and guarded. If they do good, they'll do good. If they keep fucking up then I'm not buying.
>>97765398Also 1-2 year old decisions. Zoomers taking over from the crusty boomers won’t be felt/seen for another 1-2 years
>>97765378That is premium trolling. Zoomers, the famously not sex-disgusted super puritans? Hit post, discordsister.
ANYONE has FEC 3ed battletome?My deep thank you!Ushoran and FEC will return in splendor in 5th edition if you share 3ed tome with me!
>>97765328Those are men.
>>97765019>EVEN cheaper secondhand dealsCrying yes but not sad tears
>>97765402Of course. I’m not saying to blindly consume. As with everything GW never give them the benefit of the doubt and only purchase good shit. Those are just my hopes/copes anyways.
>>97765235Siggy imbues them with a part of his power right? Maybe that little part can be passed on from warrior to warrior, basically like geneseed if the "even more like spacemarines" whitefang thing is correct. Maybe this process requires the older warrior to die and give a part of *his* soul to the new warrior, thus making them still eternals in a sense. Could be a cool spin on them, but there's hundreds of variations gw could cook up for this.Yeah I think stormcast are definitely going to require the biggest rewrites. As an army they're by far the most connected to the way the realms work in their current status I think.Oh speaking of, I wonder what will happen to starborne seraphon.
>Check random videos and comments of said videos on the leaks>People still parrot stuff about AoS that never been true or only been partially true in 1st edition only in a circlejerk>Almost all of them parrot same untrue things about warhammer fantasy as well, mostly to show who can praise it harderDon't know why I do this to myself, nor how this has persisted for 10 years with rarely any of the commenters actually reading the lore of either game.
>>97765484>Oh speaking of, I wonder what will happen to starborne seraphon.likely going the way of the BoC and shifted to TOW
>>97765484>Oh speaking of, I wonder what will happen to starborne seraphon.they are all becoming coalesced again, I guess, unless they're still allowed to have spaceships in orbit and bask in enough space magicthe godbeasts might bite the dust if the world gets much smaller though
>>97765484Are starborne even relevant to the setting anymore? Thought they've been pushing the natural born ones harder and harder since later half of 2nd edition, and memory-holing the starborne in same way as demons of order was memory holed.
>>97765423Here:FEC 3ed pdfhttps://files.catbox[DOT]moe/pmf9v3.pdfFEC 4ed pdfhttps://files.catbox[DOT]moe/0dlwbj.pdf
>>97765406Zoomers freak out over a 40 year old woman being potentially married to a 49 year old man in Resident Evil 9. They're not gonna have elves rocking out with their tits out.
The issue is GW are determined to make AoS grimdark. We saw signs of it in 3rd edition and went hard with it in 4th and grimdark just isnt popular. AoS has NEVER been grimdark, its hopepunk. 40k really boomed in 8th when it went hopeful with Primaris and Primarchs returning and less dark art. Grimdark doesnt sell, its boring and depressing and means you invest nothing in the setting since its all miserable anyway. This reset sounds like its going for a grimmer setting so this will be the last AoS edition for sure. People want heroes, they want the heroes to win, they want progress and happiness. Theres a reason every marvel film is a success.
>>97765494The older you get the more you realize that most people are just retards parroting opinions they heard someone else say one time in a sad attempt to fit in or look important.
>>97765494now you understand why gw thinks a reset is needed
>>97765514I think people like heroes, and you can have a very dark setting with lots of factions as long as there are a few genuine good guy options (even if they're rare within their own faction)
>>97765423https://files.catbox.moe/0dlwbj.pdf
>>97765514hopepunk is not a thing and 40k didn't become less grimdarl with primaris
>>97765514You are not wrong. I also hope AoS goes even more Marvel. It would be so funny.
>>97765496People actually play seraphon
>>97765514It's more in how they do it. It's not a shitty slow miserable grind, instead it's "get dabbed on loser Chaos fucking sweeps get dunked on!" while telling us smugly that Chaos could have done this at any moment and they just didn't feel like it yet. Who likes that? Where the grimness, the darkness? It's just Archeon doing th floss.
Since anons are generous. Does anyone have Helsmiths of Hashut battletome to share?
>>97765514>40k really boomed in 8th when it went hopeful with Primaris and Primarchs returning and less dark artPeople hated the Tau for being the "dot of light in a galaxy of darkness" simply because they weren't human. It's all bullshit.
There's nothing grimdark about Sigmar dying
>>97765562You are confusing 4th edition with the recent 8th boom. 4th was very grimderp and its almost crashed and burned in 4th and 5th. 8th went a lot more hopeful and 40k became mainstream due to it. No one wants dark worlds, its boring
>>97765578>and its almost crashed and burned in 4th and 5th.40k crashed and burned in 6th and 7th, not 4th and 5th, retardand no, the boost in popularity in 8th doesn't come from whatever headcanon you think 40k is following now
>>97765552here: https://gofile.io/d/ISNjni
Does anyone have pdfs of 3rd edition for the Ogors and Gargants? I just realized I never got those in my collection.
Just came back here, what the fuck is going on? We are getting cancelled? End Times 2.0? Boole left? What next, China invading Taiwan?
>>97765676We've heard everything from AoS being squatted for a new, weirder fantasy game to this being a lore + setting shake-up that leaves most(?) factions intact in a new worldNo one really knows
>>97765676Paradigm shift anon.
>>97765676>What nextplastics and resins are getting more expensive for good measure
>>97764327Why can't you guys even ragebait well? Like this kind of sad.
>>97765676God, I really hope AoS doesn't go anywhere. It's a containment zone.
>>97765575Dead gods are pretty cool. Mathlann, grimnir, they're fun. >>97765676Something between a gathering storm and an end times, as some other anon put it. Big lore "advancement" but factions, models, gameplay should be pretty much unchanged. If I remember the lore stuff correctly:>archaon/skaven invade azyr, kill siggy>siggy activates his kill switch smashing all the realms together>now we'll have hysh and aqshy etc whatever on one flat plane instead of pseudo-planets>sigmarines fucked by siggy dying>cos becoming kind of kingdoms centralised under the big cities>for example hammerhal ghyra will be relatively chill still, while hammerhal aqsha will go full 40k grimderp fuck everyone who is not human because of siggy dying>possibly some timeskip, unclear what this means for mortal model characters like tahlia, might get the curseling treatment but that's speculation for now
>>97765328GW has completely missed the plot of what DoK's theme is all about. the fuck even is that trash
god, there are still tourists posting in this thread. as if the last few threads havent been enough.
>>97765757Slaanesh comes back, Nagash gets plot-nerfed.>>97765784shitting on age of shitmar is more fun than anything else about it
>>97765784It’s gonna be worse again tomorrow with the reveals.
>>97765790>Slaanesh comes backBoring, more fun imprisoned because you've got cool shit like the pretenders running around
>>97765792I was thinking things would go back to normal with reveals to distract, but you're right, haters are just gonna poo-poo anything revealed (though who knows, they could be total shit)
>>97765792discords and reddit are for hugboxes. Try having a better game and setting.
>>97765759If GW wants me to become a printfag then so be it.
>>97765821>g-go back to r*ddit or discord if you don't like my blatant ragebait shitposting!not even trying at this point
>>97765818God help us if there’s a single non-white non-male mini.>>97765821Try not being a secondary.
>>97765821And somehow I already know you use both.
>>97765514yeah surely it was your made up narrative that led to its success and not that little that happened in the world that just happened to give a few million nerds plenty of free painting time.
>>97765865how much do you pajeets get paid to write here?
>>97765874'bout tree fiddy.
>>97765818There's no tow models to distract the towies is the problem. The head of specialist games is a frequentor of /wfg/ and pulled his reveals from the show specifically to make /aosg/ shit for another two extra weeks, the bastard.>>97765838>if
>>97765821Why is it always the discord troons that are the first to throw accusations like this, do you think people won't realize who you are?For fuck's sake, you faggots are some of the last people unironically using Facebook just to talk about a hobby you don't participate in. Kindly go back with the rest of these tourists.
>>97765514>AoS has NEVER been grimdark, its hopepunAoS is pronounpunk
>>97765874Oh no, I didn't type a single word. Sorry your retard brain can't interpret it now. My dearest apologizes.
again, you tourists talk out of your ass at best and wonder why you get mad at shit that doesnt apply to AoS
>>97765924Soon nothing will apply to AoS because it's going to be rebooted into a different setting.
>>97765918I cant speak with the lower caste of indians. Can you please get your hyperborian upper caste or whatever the hell it is that occupy it so I can maybe speak to someone on a equal level?
The government of Poland is announcing a new public holiday to celebrate the death of Age of Sigmar. Grim.
>>97765934you used your one note borrowed joke already, be more creative.
>>9776552740K is noblebright but dark nowadays
>>97765934All the indian people I met as a non-bong yuro were pretty cool until I had to interact with brahmins. Would not recommend.
GW stands to lose 7 figures! DO YOU HEAR THAT GAMES WORKSHOP 7 FIGURES. ADRESSS US BLOODY BLASTARD BENCHOD
>>97765961some of their girls can be cute but it kinda gets overshadowed with all the scam calls.
>>97765865Line went up long before the coof though.Still, it certainly helped.
>>97765964I have no idea what you, or that post, are trying to say.
>>97765960no, it's not
>>97766005>Literal angels from on high that purge away darkness and uplift the poorer humans around them to spread rediscovered noble ideals>‘This is a warning. The warp and the materium were once in balance. For too long, you have tipped the scales. Understand that it is not only the warp that is capable of pushing back. This realm is not real. Only will is real. And none may outmatch my will. Be assured, Lord of Plagues, and convey this message to your brothers, that I do not speak for myself.>‘I speak for the Emperor of Mankind.’>No, it's notSure anon.
>>97765960>noblebright but dark>noblebright>but dark
AoS being grimdark considering was born after the total destruction of a Universe is retarded. This should be the setting where good guys strike back not where they die again without salvation, are GW writers even trying?
>>97766039>literal angels >aren't actually literal angels>rediscovered ideals>the imperium behaves exactly the same and guilliman is forced to accept it won't change>my space daddy talked shit>that means the setting is now saved yes, anon, I'm sure, you're an impressionable retard
>>97766075Noblebright doesn't sell anon. The masses desire grimdark.
>>97766075>>97766083>nomodels tourists thinking anyone cares about their opinionsngmi
>>97766039>>Literal angels from on high that purge away darkness and uplift the poorer humans around them to spread rediscovered noble idealssisters of battle have always been a thing and never made the setting not grimdark, newfag
>>97765960Fag 40k occurs literally in the GRIMDARK future is in its very DNA.
>>97766065>>97766077>>97766123>>97766130Don't worry, you'll see.
>>97766138>ok it's not changed>BUT IT WILL, TRUST MEfuck off, schizo
>>97766151>>97766138
>>97766138Retard
>>97765162What about when one of the awkward tranny characters dies? How are you going to replace them?
>>97766219The ones with neutral pronouns only got that way by being reforged over and over until they stopped being much more than angry statues, so it's a self-solving problem.
>>97766229Not true.
>>97766284This shit is probably so funny to read in Spanish or other gendered languages. Like Non Binario/Non Binaria
Well on the bright side. We are faster than the WHFB threads again
>>97766337how is that good? Half of the posts here are memeshits and trolls from secondary threads. Better to have a slow general than the shitfest we are having now
>>97766337The lack of TOW adepticon news would have also made that happen though
>>97766382Is that really different from any other warhammer genral?
>>97766403yes, other threads have more than half the posts being memeshit and trollsnot to mention they have schizodrama
>>97766284They literally say it right there, and that's not even written by GW. It's the Cubicle7 rpg.
>>97766391Prior to the leak for the end times TOW was still faster than us despite us knowing they weren't getting anything shown at Adepticon
You know what's the worst part? This will probably be good for the game. The Realms never really gelled as a setting, and the entire strength of Fantasy and 40k is the setting. A world, even a fucked up world with crazy magic all over the place, will be a lot easier to get a handle on. And if my theory that they're going to soft retcon the Mortal Realms entirely turns out to be correct, they'll be able to integrate it with the Old World world, which will provide easy onramping for Total Warhammer fans. Hell, they could set Total Warhammer 4 in The Last World! That would get a lot of new people interested.The fantastic minis of AoS in a setting that's easier to understand? Sounds like a winner to me.It just makes me feel pretty stupid for giving a shit about the AoS lore at all.
>>97766337The monkeys paw curled for those anons wanting a more active aosg.
>>97766441It kinda all depends on whether it's a real lore-wipe or if it's just reframing all the existing factions/cultures to a new map.Frankly, that would be the *easiest* thing for GW to do rather than reinvent an entire third fantasy setting. But who knows?
>>97766446It’s been active before even without the shitposting before march. Don’t care to compare it to wfg though.
>>97764247Soon
>>97764375>same gameplayAs someone who remembers the horrible blobs of infantry in 8ed, that's like saying>same trainwreck that makes you want to bomb GW
>>97766441>It just makes me feel pretty stupid for giving a shit about the AoS lore at all.Well realizing it was dumb all along late is better than never.
>>97766441>entire strength of FantasyNot fantasy. it was more the idea of the setting because the actual setting was an incoherent mess full of>shallow copy of IRL history we're not going into detail aboutfor human factions scattered around millions of retcons and internally inconsistent stories. The actual thing. WHFB got more and more grimderp once you get past the surface as time went on. We've had entire past threads discussing how infeasible much of the human kingdoms are, even with magic. Take Bretonnia where they added all sorts of stupid grimderp where the nobles, in a society where land ownership is family inherited, are inexplicably 0 inbred while peasants are practically another species. Where noblemen kids have to prove themselves in battle and many die. That is hardly scratching the surface of nonsense grimderp. What's worse is Bretonnia wasn't always like this. Even the Empire and being mostly forests where Beastmen rape you to death has plenty of logistical problems considering how they sustain their populations and numbers.Too much of the Empire is forest. The vast majority of their lands are infested with beastmen and green skins. The empire is really just a bunch of city states surrounded by forests, with only the southern provinces resembling anything worth living in. Bretonnia is geographically smaller but most of that land is verdant fields, great for farming, horses and livestock. Far more of its land is habitable and productive and covered in villages, I wouldn’t be surprised if Bretonnia actually has the larger population. Just look at them on the map - the Empire is almost completely covered in forest, while Bretonnia has three major forests, but a lot more open plains. Real civilizations, even those with Stone Age technology, often deforested much of their lands for industry and agriculture, or at least modified large tracks of it to be more useful like the native Americans.
>>97766512true. RL-germany had major deforestation problems, so much that even in the middle ages there were laws to preserve them: wood is the plastics of their days. it's used for EVERYTHING. and as for charcoal burning, people used wood. period. it takes a LOT of wood to make charcoal, and you need a LOT of charcoal for industry.IRL people had beed pasturing their pigs and goats (and most city households had one or two) in the woods close to the towns and guess what thoso like to eat? pigs dig up achorns and roots, and goats love the bark of saplings.so german cities in the middle ages tried combatting receding forests by issuing laws that forbid people doing exactly that.have you heard of the big place called the Lueneburg Heath in modern germany? that used to be a pretty thick forest
>>97766512>shallow copy of IRL history we're not going into detail aboutthat's a feature, not a bugit makes the setting immediately understandable without needing to read on extensive history, geography and cosmology
>>97766512>Wall of textTLDR: Basically "What do they eat?"
>>97766526It's a bug. It's boring on a level that makes Cathay look interesting. It's hype and aura alone without any substance because everything collapses once two brain cells get rubbed together. I don't even mean some big or expert thought, I mean as simple as>Yo, if these High Elves are dying out, how did we just get a story where they lose an entire army like nothing?The actual setting is filled with nonsense writing and fans are more in love with the idea of it than the execution..t Bitching about WHFB crap lore since long before AoS existed.
>>97766512Interesting. Let's see AoS's map to compare
>>97766512I think my biggest issue with fantasy’s humans is just that they’re so boring. They lack ambition, the politicking isn’t engaging, and as you said, the scale of the world just doesn’t work. I can enjoy the actual fantasy aspects of the setting like nagash corrupting the winds and the wastelands but beyond that it’s just covered territory that’s been done in objectively better settings. Don’t get me wrong a part of me still likes fantasy but I don’t care for it to chase after it anymore.
>>97766512I agree. As much as I miss WHFB, even looking at the Empire itself you have an incoherent mess about what it actually was. You had 99% of the territory being basically a death forest full of murderrape beasts with human presence being small points of light inside of it, while at the same time being able to rise fuckhuge armies that easily travelled all over it, with basically megalopolis built on the pinnacle of mountains that had alone the industrial capacity of entire real world countries. And the rest of the setting was no better. The world was basically Earth but with fantasy elements plopped randomly, and with "what if "insert human civilization here" was actually a fantasy race?" With no regard of what actually made sense. There was nothing cohesive about it, and it was only fleshed out because it had thirty years of lore additions that retconned themselves all over the place anyway.
>>97766457>It kinda all depends on whether it's a real lore-wipe or if it's just reframingfrom what I'm understanding out of the rumors, nothing is getting retconned, the mortal realms keep having been a thing and there's enough of a timeskip for the new world to be the status quo and people treating the realms as poorly remembered stuff, so they can just focus on what's going on without having to constantly reference the previous situationwhat I'm confused about is what they're going to do with the human characters, they can't all be conveniently long lived, can they?
>>97764600Why didn't we buy Realms of Ruin? We could have prevented this!
>>97766553>idea of it than the executionMeanwhile, AoS setting is bad in idea and execution>if these High Elves are dying out, how did we just get a story where they lose an entire army like nothing?This can be said about 80% of fantasy elves including 40K.
>>97766569>they can't all be conveniently long lived, can they?Well it depends on how aqua ghyranis will be handled
>>97766553that's a (you) problem because you're making dumb assumptions about numbers specifically so you have something to bitch about
>>97766553>>97766512>what do they eat>too many treesLmao you cannot be serious
>>97764561Creative Assembly and Fatshark killed our setting
>>97766512>Take Bretonnia where they added all sorts of stupid grimderp where the nobles, in a society where land ownership is family inherited, are inexplicably 0 inbred while peasants are practically another species. Where noblemen kids have to prove themselves in battle and many die.And Errant Wars are a thing where there's no war to fight and Knights Errant are known to recklessly die. Post 5e lore makes Bret noblewomen sound like Skaven tier baby factories rather than some last son marrying his aunt to inherit some land.I honestly hate the new breed of Bret lore. Most Bret fans are TWW secondaries.>>97766557I'd take literal "lolmagic" over it. It's an explanation compared to>John Peasant was raped nine times by beasts when he walked to give 110% of his latest harvest to his lords, in the same journey that cost him over 20 family members that all grew up eating dirt because somehow they can support 20 people but not all the other shit>
>>97766584>hat's a (you) problem because you're making dumb assumptions about numbers specificallyYou weren't there were you?
>>97766587Creative Assembly really did kill AoS if you think about it. Absolutely hilarious if you're not personally invested.
>>97766584>>97766586Was there, actual writer was asked similar questions >There's as many Elves as the story demandsWas the actual response
>>97766588>Just go along with it (I like this setting)It's lolmagic!>Just go along with it (I don't like this setting)It doesn't make any sense!!!
>>97766586>>what do they eat>>too many treesYou Total War secondaries are terrible at understanding.
>>97766586>how does setting make any sense
>>97766599yet another assumption tell me how many elves you think exist in fantasy then tell me how many elves you think they deployed in the battle you were imagining and how many losses they had during that battle
>>97766569I wouldn't be surprised if the ones they care to keep fall through a portal and land in the new setting, like Gotrek.
>>97766606>>Just go along with it (I like this setting)lolmagic is the actual explanation.
>>97766606This is why WHFB was very pretentious. They tried giving harder details that make no sense. It's much better leaving things open rather than contradictory explanations on Bretonnian 90 percent crop taxes
>>97766614It's assumed they're a soceity where much of their army is civilian levies and each is valuable
>>97766606>>97766614No seriously, these questions were asked and>as many as story demands was the actual response. Fans knew it made no sense
>>97766622>contradictory explanations on Bretonnian 90 percent crop taxesThis autistic level of detail is exactly what makes the WHFB setting so endearing. It was made by people who care. Not by corpo focus groups who were like, "we can't explain this so lets not even try."
>>97766622>they didn't explain everything to the last iota and detail>they shouldn't have tried to explain anythingDo you know how retarded you sound right now?
>>97766622>It's much better leaving things openAs much as I wish gw would be more open to this, the current audience is too retarded for mysteries and think they don’t want the ability to head cannon. They probably forgot about the concept of your dudes too
Total War newfags are so annoying
>>97766632>This autistic level of detail is exactly what makes the WHFB setting so endearingIt made it retarded. It wasn't endearing, it got complaints bad enough they had to reclarify.
>>97766637They literally killed your setting, so I think "annoying" is understating it.
>>97766624not how you shrunk away from replying to the requests because you don't have any genuine answer that fits your line of thought you WANT for the numbers to be inconsistent, but there are no numbers, you're using imaginary numbers that conveniently fit your desire of things being inconsistent so you can whine about them
>>97766632>>97766635You do know that specific figure got enough questions that they immediately reclarified it was redistributed?
Genuinely what the fuck is going on in this thread? Can we at least discuss the reboot or something pertaining to AoS?
>>97766644>It made it retarded. It wasn't endearingIs that why GW wants to return to that setting?
>>97766649NTA but they tried giving much harder ideas. These did get official fan complaints. He didn't go back, you're just ignorant of the then response.
>>97766632>This autistic level of detail is exactly what makes the WHFB setting so endearingWas there, nope
>>97766653Nah if Aos is supposed to be lowered down to a single planet like fb it’s relevant talking about how fucking awful fb was executed in order to hope Aos doesn’t fall in the same holes.
>>97766635>>97766644You should get a room and research fan reaction then.
I don't know why people are so obsessed to introduce real world shit into their fantasy setting, is like if they can't relate to stuff they just can't connect with the history "They live in a planet! Just like me!"
>>97766656They do? ToW isn't selling like hotcakes
>>97766649>you WANT for the numbers to be inconsistent, but there are no numbersGuy, just admit you weren't there.
>>97766656GW foesnt want to return to that setting, faggot, just simplify the AoS setting so retards and casuals can engage better with the general setting because the concept of Realms seems too much for SEGA enthusiasts.
>>97766635The High Elven population never really recovered from the twin disasters of The Sundering and The War of Vengeance. The Asur also seem to have problems with their fertility and breed too slowly to properly restore their numbers. The Dark Elves, for whatever reason, don't really seem to suffer this problem. Couple these factors with frequent raids and invasions by the Druchii and numerous other antagonistic forces and it's easy to understand how the Asur are diminished. It should be noted however that the exact severity of the High Elf decline is open to interpretation, with Games Workshop themselves basically stating that there are as many elves as the plot demands.
>>97766659now you moved from whining about unspecified numbers to whining about unspecified problems you don't care if the numbers or problems actually exist, you just assume there are so you can whine
Seriously guys,>There are as many Elves as the story needswas the official response to this very logistics question. Not only did fans ask about it because they thought it made no sense, they got a response.
the amount of tow and tw + grogs trolls in the general right now is unbearable
>>97766675circle back to>>97766614
>kills your settingHow do you respond without sounding mad?
>Gav Thorpe, one of the Warhammer writers is alleged to have said, ‘there are as many elves as the plot demands’. The High Elves of Warhammer are a dying race but, in the fluff, are regularly massacred in the hundreds, if not thousands. As a concession to the format, that is fine, and it is far from the only one: where does the Empire keep finding all these able bodies to march into the maw of Chaos when their entire civilization is afraid of basic sanitation? Why do the Elves and Dwarfs not just get over themselves and let bygones be bygones? Why is Lord Mazdamundi’s magic able to drain seas and raise mountains until it suddenly cannot (i.e. when he is in a game)? Why are all the ladies bathykolpian and permanently exposed to the elements?WHFB fans asked this. Stop defending what even WHFB fans didn't defend.
>>97766687>NTARead.Just admit you're a newfag. Guy's saying shit people then said before aos existed
>>97766692What’s the point of pretending to have a grounded setting when everything can be handwaved in an inorganic matter then?
>>97766703>No setting is killedWhen you will take your meds, schizo?
>>97766695No, your behavior and defending what the WHFB players didn't reeks of fakegrog. I've seen so many new 40k players say everyone loves what everyone then hated. I'm used to your kind.
>>97766703I’m still mad they peaked with shogun 2. I don’t have much hope for their 2 other new games.
>>97766674>>97766681They're changing AoS to fit ToW (like 30K and 40K), so it's easy to see which IP GW values more.
>>97766692>this very logistics questionwhat logistics? what numbers was the story actually presenting? What's the number of dying elves that makes something nonsensical? 5? 10000? 6 millions? Do you know how many elves there are?It's only a problem when you make retarded assumptions, because you want to whine
>>97766708Other guy but that's the whole argument. WHFB isn't anywhere as grounded. In some ways, even giving "lolmagic" as an explanation is an actual explanation, however dissatisfying, rather than leaving these problems in the air. It looks grounded from a distance but usual GW writing quality means every time they try to make it grounded, they just make it more inconsistent.
>>97766718sounds like what a fakegrog would say to pretend to have clout on the internet
>>97766704These are not inconsistencies, these are unknowns, they're different things.
>>97766724Just admit you weren't there. GW didn't respond saying they got numbers wrong or anything you're doing. Their response was that.
>>97766724>Do you know how many elves there are?Nta but I remember dark elves saying something they had something around 100,000-200,000 but it’s been a minute since I read the army books.
>>97766737>inconsistencies>race is dying out with a low population>can suffer losses like even highly populated factions no problem
>>97766722???? >GW sees AoS sells but line needs to go up even more>Realms are just complicated let's just make a history event to turn this into a planet>Nice! That will connect Old World and AoS New Last world history allowing for narrative cohesion!Where that "ToW is actually more valuable for us" enters in your narrative, schizophrenic fuck?
>>97766644>It made it retarded. It wasn't endearinghow so? Back then, no one complained where I lived, must have been some niche autists that were on internet forums back then
>>97766713Without sounding mad, not sounding mad anon
>>97766733>>97766737Did you ever read an army book or paint a mini? You clearly never interacted with the community then.
nagash was right, elves and elvenfags should all burn.
>>97766748>no one complained where I livedTechnically true given you recently joined the hobby, assuming you joined at all.
>>97766739>GW didn't respond saying they got numbers wrong or anythingTHERE WERE NO NUMBERS ANYWHERE Learn to fucking read, you and other retarded faggots like you decided that there was an imaginary number of deaths that was arbitrarily wrong
>>97766748>no one complained where I livedWhere I was they did. Where I was people read White Dwarf and complained about Bret 90% taxes.
This basically confirms that GW desperately wishes they just made WHFB but on circle bases. Better late than never I guess.
>>97766751>>97766755take your meds, schizo
>>97766756 remember a older Source Book that put the Empires Population around 24 Million People.Brettonia is probally in the upper hundreds of thousands or at Max in the low million.
>>97766747>AoS sells products but no one likes the IP as a setting>ToW doesn't sell as much, but the IP is much more popular in the mainstream and licensing>Lets change AoS to fit the stronger IP; ToW
>>97766756>THERE WERE NO NUMBERS ANYWHERE
>>97766748>no one complainedThat’s because we left the thinking to more popular stuff like Conan and lotr.
>>97766703>kills your studioHow do you respond without sounding mad?
>extreme tech/tonal/racial dissonance, ie 1500s renaissance germany neighboring 1600s russia and arthurian france over top of WW1 rats with laser guns and literal nuclear weapons>opposite, too much tonal homogenity, especially with the empire in WFRP, every single person is either a poop-covered muddy peasant or a snarky fat retard noble and everyone is covered with skulls>one-note races and factions, no real nuance or diversity to them, ie skaven are all tee-hee lol so random crazy, orcs are all oi oi gubnah u wot, dwarves are all aye aye laddeh drink feck arse>pervasive nihilism and hopelessness, chaos always wins and everyone only lives for chaos's amusement, makes half the factions' fights pointless>writers openly didn't care about consistency, believability, or internal logic, quote the last major loremaster of warhammer's setting "there are as many elves as the plot demands", this shows elsewhere>wfrp systems are bland at best, broken at worst, 2e is the best but required significant houserules to make it work effectively, evidenced by the mountains of houserules made online for it
>>97766764The stronger IP is the most profitable and this move is not making AoS fit into ToW is simplify AoS setting merging the Realms in a single planet that brings a chance to connect it with ToW, the failed past of the profitable setting, fag.
>>97766743>low populationsuch as? 10.000 elves? 1.000.000 elves? 10.000.000 elves?>can suffer lossesagain, how many losses do you think they suffered in the battle you've been so vehemently whining about for years allegedly? 5 elves? 100 elves? 1000 elves? 6 millions elves?or is it that you believe, for no reason whatsoever, that the unspecified numbers MUST be inconsistent, regardless of what they can be?
>>97766764how is that implied? Age of Sigmar is still their second-strongest line, selling more than Fantashit ever did in it's 30 years of non-sensical retconning loreslop. Just because some vidya kiddies destroy the hobby they don't even participate in by resurrecting an old ass game to waste resource on doesn't mean it holds any value to anyone that actually plays wargames, retard. Now fuck off
My source explained the situation. It's not the AoS end times but it's not not the AoS End Times. The Chinese have infilftrated the community so I can't say much more... but think about pic related.
>>97766704That's a major problem with Thorpe's writing. One story they can write off the death of a million as part of a grand victory, but in the next the death of a hundred is a tragedy from which their race will never recover.
>>97766770by making a 40k:TW :^)
Will BoC ever come back to this setting now that things are changing so much?
>>97766762and that makes elves losing an unspecified amount of people in a battle inconsistent because... ?
>>97766780I understand
>>97766756Where are you getting this from? The High Elves seem to be having serious problems in this regard. There are books in which there are High Elven settlements that seem half-abandoned because there aren't enough elves living in them.
>>97766784>the white man, the funnny africans and the beastpajeets leaving spelled the end for AoSlike poetry
>>97766790NTA but it's both specified and elves are much less with worse birth rate
>>97766783>has to break the emergency glass:^)
>>97766784Down the line maybe. We will see if they keep it more AoS like or if by 2.0 they go down a more Warhammer fantasy but not rank and flank. I think long term they will just make the world the Warhammer fantasy world but post end times but retconned to not be destroyed. Just messed up. And the AoS factions will slowly be replaced by newer versions of fantasy factions.
>>97766751I've read more than you, painted more than you, and played more than you, that's why I know actual numbers were rarely a thing in fantasy and why I don't rely on parroting what faggots online thought is a problem because they are hypocritical retards who can't step away from their retarded assumptions, all because their involvement in the hobby is just whining like a bitch.
>>97766776Anon, they're right. As for numbers, Gav Thorpe was asked during End Times why in some stories losing ten Elves is a horrible tragedy that hastens the race death and in others thousands die for a small objective and its a great victory proving that the Elves are still defiant and strong.Thorpe replied an explanation about how numbers are used to emphasize the emotions you're supposed to get from the story. The direct quote is "There are as many Elves as the plot demands."So all numbers are bullshit. That's why Warhammer maps are horribly inconsistent, and you can use the distance given in scale on some maps and use it to calculate wildly different sizes of the Warhammer world. Supposedly one of the Nehekhara maps makes the world seem about 10x the size of Earth, looking at the Empire map and its about 1.5x.That's why in 40k they've accidentally given Guardsman numbers so high for certain planets there's absolutely no way the planet is anything but a giant floating ball of living Guardsman floating through space. (Though that was a glitch.)Games Workshop has ridiculously loose editing, a huge disconnect between different departments, and no real loremaster that gives a fuck about consistency and logic reviewing everything against everything else. So shit only makes as sense as the authors can/will put into it.>>97766782This.
>>97766784i will never forget the destruction of so many good models and two factions.
>>97766800>that's why I know actual numbers were rarely a thing in fantasyOkay this is too much
>>97766799This sounds horrible, are you working for James?
>>97766799that would basically stop it from being Age of Sigmar. What's even the point then?
>>97766800Empire of Man from Fantasy would've been astronomically lucky to scrounge up half a million, and considered armies in the mid-tens of thousands to be massive.
>>97764247>hopes Cogforts announced, a single box that comes with a bunch of customization options like gargants and a regiment of renown to make them playable in most factionsclan eshin spearhead featuring a 3 sword ratunderworlds warband for KO that's actually unique sculpts and not a bunch of reposed existing models. >expectationscities gets a really boring tower as faction terrain, and maybe one new unit of infantry. LRL gets an underworlds set that's basically the river blades but with white feathers instead of fishtail helms. GW will royally fuck the stream up again and watching it live will be a waste of time. >>97764601New destruction army, Malerion and his shadow elves souped with morathi. DoK being order already makes no sense, they can still fix it
>>97766799Congrats anon this is the stupidest post in the whole general and we have a faggot discussing about numbers in fantasy.
>>97766803>during End Timeswasn't during the end times nor about the end timesyou've eaten regurgitated hearsay instead of looking for things yourself >why in some stories losing ten Elves is a horrible tragedystories such as?>in others thousands die for a small objective and its a great victoryspecify these others too
>>97766800>>97766817
>>97766817>>during End Times>wasn't during the end times nor about the end times>you've eaten regurgitated hearsay instead of looking for things yourselfYou don't play. You don't know what the fanbase was like. You pretend you do. How can we know you'll read any PDF, hell, do you have the PDFs of armybooks for yourself?
The rumors aren't true.You're welcome.
>>97765033Why are secondaries such schizo's?
Does anyone remember when Malekith caused tens of thousands of Elves to die? I do.
>>97766807Uh oh melty!! Take a midol and refrain from posting on your period!
>>97766811To stop it from being age of sigmar. They realize that good models sell even with an unpopular setting. So good models with a setting that has wider appeal will sell even better. The point at the end of the day is that it is a business and they want to make money.
What are the chances they execute Boole live on the stream tomorrow during the model reveals?
>>97766841Was that the Sundering? Yes, it said that. I'm reading through War of the Beard era for an upper bound myself. It's got interesting stuff.>During the war of vengeance, it was accepted practise for s throng to begin its retreat once it has sustained one third or more of its number as casualties, taking the wounded with it. However as the war progressed fighting became harder and more prolonged, and some throngs even fought to the last dwarf during later stages of the conflict.Grudgelore: A History of Grudges and the Great Realm of the Dwarfs is interesting and has harder figures than some give it credit.
>>97766820>>97766829You keep saying there were problems with numbers I keep asking you to post said numbers that were creating the problemsYou keep avoiding the question and reiterate that there were problems with numbers Don't you see why I'm led to think you have no actual numbers to get hung up about but you just want to whine so you imagine there are numbers to whine about?
>>97766853They posted a reel on IG this morning of Eddie preparing the crucifix. They went all out for the set.
>>97766852then why not simply make WHFB 9th Ed?
>>97766865See the books on The Sundering and more. Please read.
>>97766840Someone needs to re-edit this to the secondary standing on AoS grave doing the peace sign
>>97766865>You keep saying there were problems with numbers>I keep asking you to post said numbers that were creating the problems>You keep avoiding the question and reiterate that there were problems with numbersI'm reading througb Grudgelore: A History of Grudges and the Great Realm of the Dwarfs right now and it's more interesting and opposing what you write.
>>97766865kill yourself. You are not part of this community, have never touched a physical book or painted a mini. I would ask you to post models now, but you would just put in Ai generated shit stolen from reddit. Begone back to /twg/ and stay there
>>97766869>The SunderingA period when Elves were not in decline. Where are the number issues here?
>>97766868Because WHFB is a rank and flank and that’s simply not as popular a format. GW wants Warhammer fantasy but not rank and flank for wider appeal and therefore bigger sales. But they will do it gradually like they did with AoS so as not to alienate everyone who already plays AoS
>>97766873cool, going to post anything about numbers from there? or just keep pretending that there's stuff that totally substantiates your whining?how many elves do you think there are?
>>97766882NTA but it appears you don’t have the numbers
Karaz a Karak is stated to have a population of 95,000 to my memory.
>>97766885you retards should at least get some new material, regurgitating the same shit you read on discord ad nauseum is not even amusing to read
>>97766882>can't post shit>starts projecting lmao
>>97766883A period where lore events killed a number range of unnamed characters.
>>97766897He doesn't want to read. He doesn't know malekith killed many then.
>>97766894Do you agree with the premise at least, that GW believes AoS as a setting is holding it back, and that they want to change the setting dramatically to have wider appeal?
>>97766903I am not going to engage a nogames tourist faggot, go back to /twg/ already
>>97766869POST THE FUCKING NUMBERS
>>97766898how many? give numbers, give credence to your statements, we all wait
>Gav Thorpe gives a canned hack fantasy writer's response to some elf loving autisist complaining that he's killing too many elves.>Years later some retard considers this to be a damning indictment of warhammer fantasy.What a time to be alive.
>>97766756>>GW didn't respond saying they got numbers wrong or anything>THERE WERE NO NUMBERS ANYWHEREDwarfs: Stone and Steel supplement in 2002.Karaz Ankor (current)Karaz-a-Karak: 90,000 (4,500a/1,125b), wealth 5. Golden Age population was 350,000. Capital of Karaz Ankor. Largest dwarfhold.Kazad Urkbavak: 500 (300a), wealth 1.Barak Varr: 30,000 (1,500a/375b), wealth 5. Naval base whose Golden Age population was 95,000.Kazad Migdhal: 1,500 (500b/50b), wealth 2. Golden Age population was 250,000.Karak Azul: 40,000 (2,000a/500b), wealth 5. Golden Age population was 275,000.Karak Eight Peaks: 3,000 (100a/900b/50c), wealth 3. Golden Age population was 320,000, at which time it was the largest Southern Hold.Karak Kadrin: 35,000 (1,750a/450b), wealth 5. Golden Age population was 280,000.Zhufbar: 12,000 (600a/150b), wealth 4. Industrial center.Total: 212,000 (10,750a/4,100b).Karaz Ankor (former)Gunbad: abandoned. Golden Age population was 12,000.Karak Azgal: abandoned. Golden Age population was 250,000.Karak Drazh: abandoned. Golden Age population was 300,000.Karak Ungor: abandoned. Golden Age population was 220,000.Karak Varn: abandoned. Golden Age population was 180,000.Karak Vlag: abandoned. Golden Age population was 150,000. Had a population of 20,000 at the time of the Great War Against Chaos, in which it was destroyed.Silverspear: abandoned. Golden Age population was 10,000.Black Mountains:Karak Hirn: 15,000 (750a/150b), wealth 5. Largest dwarfhold in the Black Mountains.Karak Angazbar: 3,000 (150a/40b), wealth 3. Has another 200b soldiers in the Migdahl Vongalbavak fort.Karak Gantuk: 2,500 (125a/30b), wealth 3.Total: 20,500 (925a/420b).Just to name a single book.
>tens of thousands Those words were posted above
>>97766917>some elf loving autisistThat's how you interpret it? It could be a Dwarf-lover complaining they have that many lives to lose and still exist like they're roaches.
>>97766918cool, what about these numbers is giving you problems about the casualties of elves?
>>97766909If you accept the rumours are true then you have to accept that premise. Unless you believe GW has decided to knowingly ruin the setting for the purposes of what? Making AoS fans mad?
>>97766918BTW, the a b c at the end were tied to status and $
>>97766918rpg books are not canon and never were
Okay maybe it happened, but that amount? No way were elves killed that much.
>>97766933First off schizoid, your statement is wrong. Secondly, it indirectly supports other anons points both that you don't read, and an example of numbers in a faction that's dying out. He's right that Gav Thorpe writes shitty numbers all the time.
>>97766942You see the shadows of the smoke stacks of the Dwarven furnaces? The shadows don’t make any sense. It’s all bullshit,
>>97766918>there were no numbers about the elves!>sure there were!>post them!>dwarfs>dwarfs>dwarfs>dwarfs>dwarfs>dwarfs
>>97766936>d-doesn't countlmao
I wish gitmob had infantry models.
>>97766942>>97766949Does anon not understand>THERE WERE NO NUMBERS ANYWHEREwas the point being argued and the chance that multiple anons are responding? The more you do shit like this, the more it proves other anon's point there's no point showing you evidence because you can't read.
>>97766946Do you have amnesia or did you butt into a conversation you didn't read?it's about elves>>97766692>Seriously guys,>>There are as many Elves as the story needs>was the official response to this very logistics question.>>97766724>what logistics? what numbers was the story actually presenting?>>97766739>GW didn't respond saying they got numbers wrong or anything you're doing. Their response was that.>>97766756>THERE WERE NO NUMBERS ANYWHERE
>>97766960thse numbers are not elf numbers, anon. Are you too dumb to tell them apart? Thorpe was very specifically asked about elves
>>97766946Adding to this, oh god his Path of Eldar needs work. He thinks each Craftsworld has low millions?
Personally, I don’t mind that fantasy won. It’s a stronger setting, and if we get to adopt that setting but it’s not trash rank and flank garbage then I’m all for it.
>>97766918What's the problem about these numbers?
>>97766957I wish Gitmob were out of the book of my beloved Gloomspite Gitz.
>>97766962>>97766964>NO (ELF) NUMBERS ANYWHEREIf you want specific Elf numbers, I can dig through but the more you shit out>ANYWHEREthe more you're being disproven. Because WHFB goes harder with numbers than you realize.
>>97766964NTA but did you ever wonder why he was asked? His books include numbers.
i have the ultimate solution to all the problems:bring back settra and kangz to aosas order army.
>>97766968Exactly. Age of Sigmar was a bad setting anyway, we all only played back in the day because there was no alternative and in ten years, they didn't manage to do anything worthwhile with it. The novels are garbage, the rules boring and uninspired and there is no charm at all to be had
Grogs won. Secondaries won. AoS fans lost.
>>97766984rpg books include numbers, but these are irrelevant to the tabletop. The anon would know that if he didn't post chatgpt summaries for populations and instead placed the individual works in their context
>>97766984Should be easy for you to provide them in that case.
>>97766976The spiker looks too gross-ugly (not cute-ugly or cute-gross) to the point of ruining this set for meI really don't like him
>>97766995>t.schizo troll
>>97767010perhaps you should take your meds, it must have been harrowing days for you
>>97766978You're the one moving the goalpost, I've been asking specifically about the numbers of elves that've been giving you problems since the start >>97766614 and instead here you are posting dwarf numbers, devoid of any problem whatsoever, or trying to decontextualise single wordsYou're fucking retarded, no wonder your only involvement in the hobby is whining about imaginary problems
>>97766976I agree with you, Sun/Speed Mongol goblins are good and charismatic enough (and more with something like Snotling wagons) to be their own thing and the themes are just too different to shove them in the same battletome.
Why are we even mad? This was inevitable. AoS had 10 years to develop the world building to an interesting point where it was both digestible and interesting to people outside of the AoS fanbase. They didn’t manage to do it. Do you want GW to waste another 10 years trying to fit a square into a circular hole?
>>97767014well, he is a fakegrog that screeches about how WHFB never made sense to get over AoS being WHFBfied in the future. There is njo productive argument to be had with someone like that, give him some time to calm down
>>97766984He'd know if he read. And times when they don't they have percentages. Take Archives of the Empire Volume I about Laurelorn. They gave percentages about the population like what % are each. And there are average sizes for settlements, most populated, etc so it's just a bit of searching.
>>97767012i'm not the one coming to post retarded stuff to the general faggot. maybe you should seek professional help i gave some attention so you can see how sick you are stupid fuck.
>>97766976I wish all greenskins shared a book
Now that the dust has settled, why did the HoH flop?
>>97767026Are you implying Mortal Realms were not developed or a mistake? Because that statement seems wrong to me.
>>97767005>>97767007>>97767027>>97767037
>>97767005Not him but seriously? We're going with "rpg not canon"?>>97767014>I've been asking specifically about the numbers ofFull stop. You denied there being numbers, you were given numbers. And there's already a preemptive excuse of discounting them.
>>97766984>His books include numbers.Then post the fucking numbers of fucking elves that are such a burning problem for you.
>>97767041Yeah, but you are a grog idiot, so your opinion is not important here, brother :^) go play rank and flank with your O&G lol.
>>97767026Yeah, ten years and "The Great Parch" is still the centre of all the action. I feel they wasted a lot of opportunity.
>>97766976>>97767025I still think they should have been the hobgrots for chorfs
>>97767033that is, again, rpg material, which is not written by GW. If you were an actual part of the community, you'd know that no one takes these infos seriously, but since you just joined yesterday, you can't possibly know. Just do your research next time
>>97767061Could be another possibility but I don't know depiste the hate I think the chorf ranks was good, except for the color scheme, they failed hard there.
>>97766962>NO NUMBERS ANYWHEREBut there are
>>97767044HoH flopping killed AoS
>>97767044All the women are kind of off-putting honestly. Plus the stupid prohibition on hammers and axes. Spears with big balls don't look that good.
>>97767056>>97767068NTA but the more you harp about a lack of numbers, are you implying elves are somehow an exception when ranges are regularly given for tons of others?
>>97767044they insulted shiva and hinduism, this was their just punishment
>>97767044what makes you think chaos dwarfs were a flop?
>>97767055>Full stop.No, the sentence continues.
>>97767071>>97766614>tell me how many elves you think exist in fantasy>then tell me how many elves you think they deployed in the battle you were imagining and how many losses they had during that battle
>>97767080Yes, full stop. Stop pushing the goalposts back>NO NUMBERSis not>NO NUMBERS IN THIS SPECIFIC CASEyou expanded your sentence to a different scale.Speaking of reading comprehension, have you ever read Malekith?>A thousand knights, four thousand spears and a thousand bows stand at my command>Over the years more Naggarothi had made the journey to the colonies, and Malekith's host now numbered over twenty thousand warriorsThe first 10s of pages alone include phrases like that.
>>97767084It's in the novels bro.
>>97767085>Stop pushing the goalpoststhe goalpost hasn't moved, it's still here >>97766614
>>97767044>>97767072Is it possible this is somewhat true? Helsmiths did seem to sell really poorly overall. Could they have been the final straw that broke the camels back and convinced the suits to squat AoS?
>>97767091You're just repeating yourself>THERE WERE NO NUMBERS ANYWHERE>ELVES NUMBERS EVERYWHEREand funny enough, this would be wrong. A pdf and ctrl f alone gets me entries like >The culmination of this tour was the Phoenix King’s arrival at Karaz-a-Karak. Wishing to display his splendour and power, Bel Shanaar arrived with an entourage of three thousand elves, and a bodyguard of ten times that number.We have tons on numbers.
>>97767095LOLWas not Mannfred's fault but corrupted stunties that this world is ending.
>>97767085Nobody is arguing that numbers do not exist.They're asking you to provide your issues with the numbers.For example Malekith there has 1000 knights. If later in that story 2000 knights die then that would be an issue right? You need to provide reasons for why you believe the numbers are inconsistent.
>>97767095>5e launches>chorfs squatted againImagine
>>97767100The post you're quoting is not the goalpost, this is the goalpost >>97766614and you still have not replied to any of those questions or told me anything about how the numbers are somehow inconsistent and problematic
>Malekith ensured that his welcome of the Phoenix King left Bel Shanaar in no doubt as to where the rule of Elthin Arvan truly lay. He recalled the greater part of his army, some two hundred thousand Naggarothi, and lined the road to the city with regiments of black-clad archers, magnificently armoured knights and grim-faced spearmen. Such military spectacle had never before been seen, on Ulthuan or anywhere else.Apparently 200,000 is supposed to highly exceptional among numbers High Elf of Dark Elf. In fact, I should mention going through army books also gets many figures.8ed Dwarf codex>The port city of Tor Alessi was an Elf dwelling whose walls and defences had been built in cooperation with the Dwarfs during the peaceful days of their alliance. It was garrisoned by some twenty thousand Elves, and Kundi Firebeard had taken the oath of Grimnir for his woeful underestimation of the enemy forces in his reports to the king. Upon the walls the Elves mustered many archers, the arrows of whom were as a steel-tipped storm upon the Dwarfen throng. By the western gate the Dwarfs mustered their crossbows and engines of war.>Eventually, in desperation and rage, the Elves had no choice but to charge into close combat, where the real slaughter began. Five thousand Elves paid with their lives for their hubris. For the ills done to the Dwarfen people, Morgrim exacted a bloody vengeance. With bravery uncharacteristic of an Elf, Imladrik led a charge against the shieldwall of Morgrim, and slew many of the Dwarfs' finest warriors with his gleaming blade.
>come home from work>open /aosg/
>>97767106>Nobody is arguing that numbers do not exist.>>97766756 >>97766724
>>97767106>>97767118Keep pushing them back
Relax brothers, making AoS more like fantasy battle is a good thing. We're all going to be ok. Stay positive.
>>97767124Adding to you, in Bane of Malekith "'How can we beat him?' Tyrion asked at last. 'He is the most powerful sorcerer in the world. He has the largest army assembled by the elves since the time of Aenarion. He has been planning this for centuries.'"Malekith's forces was bigger in backstory, than that book which basically says Malekith then had more DE fighters than backstory Aenarion had people. This puts an upper cap at their numbers
>>97766777>second-strongestThis is not the brag that you guys think it is. Its GW's second flagship IP. If it wasn't the 2nd strongest IP, there would be a serious problem.>Fantashit ever didpic-related
>>97767127those posts aren't saying what you think they are saying where are the numbers of dead elve that are so incompatible with your understanding of elves populations that it soured your view of fantasy for over 10 years?
>>97767133I hate WHFB. This is a shit idea coming from a stupid corpo that miss that garbage game and setting.
>>97767136>had more DE fighters than backstory Aenarion had people.not what it's saying
>>97767026It just means that after 10 years GW was forced to accept that retards are incapable of comprehending the AoS setting on even a basic level so they had to retard it up to sell better to retards.
>NI HAO MAO>*kills your setting*How do you respond without sounding mad?
>>97767152Thanks for the awesome Cities/Lumineth/Sons of Behemat proxy models!
>>97767139Yet Fantasy couldn't keep that place on sales, AoS on the other side keeps being a profitable product. This is not an economic issue but a narrative issue, Realms are too complex for the casual audience.
>>97767095They released almost six months ago and most of their range is still sold in the US. Flopanon only references obscure Canadian stores that have one remaining French copy of the armybox and don't ship out of country as proof that he's retarded.
>97767152I hope you get banned soon, retarded troll.
>>97767160>still soldstill sold out in the US
>>97767158>AoS on the other side keeps being a profitablAcKKK...
>>97767124>Five thousand Elves paid with their livesFINALLY a number of dead elvesis this amount of dead elves what twistes your socks into a knot for a decade? what the population of elves should have been completely unable to recover from or sustain?
>>97767158GW has access to sales figures. No point in keeping a failing setting alive now that their golden goose is back.
>>97767124> It was garrisoned by some twenty thousand Elves>Five thousand Elves paid with their lives for their hubris.Man that sucks, the second talked about Imladrik who IRCC was War of Beard so we know that's after. A peaceful garison used to have 20000 then during an active war a garison only had 5000. That fucking sucks.Worse given they have less after WoB so 5000 is a ceiling.
>>97767175Oeragor, to be fair, was basically a frontier outpost, so it having a smaller garrison than the fricking capital is a given. It's good to have numbers, but they are not very indicative for the total population
>>97767175I think the worse part is other guy clearly never read an army book. That was from the Dwarf 8ed one. He's either playing dishonest by pretending it doesn't exist or he never saw it before. He must've never played against an 8ed Dwarf army because I'd need to check every now and then with all the bloat. But if should've done research on Gav Thorpe interviews first. Fans straight up asked how Dark Elves are a functional society being so borderline-comical backstabbing. He should've know repeated questions were asked to GW writers about how the setting remained together.
>Online autists arguing over minute details like race populations decades after the issue was originally raisedThis is the power of a good setting. You don't see this level of enthusiasm with anything related to AoS.
>>97767192You must have missed the is Tahlia black or a jeet debates
>>97767175>Worse given they have less after WoB so 5000 is a ceiling.A much higher ceiling than normal too. The High Elven population never really recovered from the twin disasters of The Sundering and The War of Vengeance. The Asur also seem to have problems with their fertility and breed too slowly to properly restore their numbers. The Dark Elves, for whatever reason, don't really seem to suffer this problem. Couple these factors with frequent raids and invasions by the Druchii and numerous other antagonistic forces and it's easy to understand how the Asur are diminished. It should be noted however that the exact severity of the High Elf decline is open to interpretation, with Games Workshop themselves basically stating that there are as many elves as the plot demands.
>internal consistency which even whfb players questioned are okay because they're okay
>>97767192People still argue over whether sylvaneth are ghosts or not.
>>97767191>Fans straight up asked how Dark Elves are a functional society being so borderline-comical backstabbing.I fucking hate the dark elf lore. Makes no fucking sense. Just like most uber edgy Melniboné* copycats, their population should have cratered. Like they literally have a holiday where they lose 10-25% of their population in blood orgies every single year. Nevermind that even during the Sundering, they were the least populous of the elven kingdoms and lost around 80% of their people. They should not have anywhere near the numbers to resist the Asur or even chaos hordes.*Just wanted to clarify, I'm not bashing Melniboné here. They made sense. They grew into a superpower through ruthless, but pragmatic means. Then the decadence set in. By the time they were doing murderorgies and praying to evil gods, their civilization was on its last legs. The cruelty and perversion was unsustainable.
>>97767207>Some people, at some point, asked some questionsOh no...
>>97767192That's like saying Sequel Trilogy Star Wars is good because people still criticize the setting for plot holes. That's what they're doing.
>>97767211>where they lose 10-25% of their population in blood orgies every single yearThey just kill slaves and servants mostly.
>>97767215>whfb players thought it was supoid>OH NOES QUESTIONS
>>97767215More like even they thought it was nonsense so why is there any defense? They didn't defend it.
>WHFB writers answering lore inconsistency questionsI've done my research, and here's the best explanation I could come up with>AoS writers answering lore inconsistency questionsIts a magical setting, don't question it, nerd.
>>97767211That's part of the point against many Elric copies. The Melnibonéans got fucked. Most of their copies miss that. It's like how so many cautionary tales get the cautionary tale removed. We regard Hercules, or Samson for all their strengths, never the messes they get themselves into because they thought they were too hot shit to hurt.
>research OK. You kid
>>97767233>I've done my researchBro, really? Gav Thorpe. He ignores other writers ridiculously often. He doesn't.
>>97767233>>WHFB writers answering lore inconsistency questions>I've done no research, and here's the best explanation I could come up and it's extremely half assed
>>97767233Tell me you don't know Geedubs writers without telling me.
>>97767220>>whfb players >>97767223>>theyHow many of them?Even then, asking a question is not actually being hostile.
>>97767233And an explanation so shit comes out that magic would've explained it better.
>>97767260I don't know. I haven't found fellow survivors in a long time. By now, most forums have more pretend old timers than real ones.
>>97767233That's pretty bad anon when the latter is often less crap than the first.
>>97767249This. This is particularly clear with his pre-heresy Dark Angels. >Descent of Angels by other writer >Luther who suggests the name "Dark Angels" for the First Legion, quoting an old calibanite poem. >Angels of Caliban by Thorpe>Luther himself muses about why the Emperor chose that name for the Legion. In a blog post about "Azrael" he candidly admitted that he chose a different timeline to set the story in just because he couldn't be bothered to read other people's works involving Azrael in 999M41.
>>97767266>I don't know.Then what are you even saying? Some guy asking a question makes something indefensible?Then literally nothing is defensible, because literally anything can be questioned.
>>97767272>he chose a different timeline to set the storyThat's more effort than fantasy battle with consistency, as damming with faint praise that is.
Sigmar has lost The Mandate of Heaven. /aosg/ descends into chaos and anarchy.
>>97767274>ThenThen what? I couldn't be bothered to search among pretenders who came from Total War and liars who spew nonsense about how the past was and fanbase reception? We live in a day of internet and the WHFB community is more filled with newbies and newbies pretending to be oldies than oldies. They've moved on by now.
>>97767261>>97767268>Preferring the Corpo "stop noticing" "Its magic" explanation over the pure autistic kino explanationAnons like these allow subpar focus-grouped IPs like AoS to survive
The superior Cathay.
>>97767282>Then what?Then what are you even saying?This has nothing to do with fantasy fans, new or old, but your ability to apply logic and how you perceive reality.
>>97767283>Preferring the Corpo slopNo
>>97767283Anon, the explanation is so shit it's a source of mockery even to this day. Literally no explanation or ignoring the question is better than the former.
>>97767283Clearly there isn't enough of them if they are shit canning the setting.
>he defends Gav Thorpe on Elves/Eldar
>>97767287>ThenRead. Then read. Then stop demonstrating you know nothing about WHFB and making factually incorrect statements that can be dismissed by reading army books.
If this was a thread that had actual old-school WHFB fans, there would be a dog piling over anyone defending Thorpe's Elf writing.
>>97767283>pure autistic kino explanationYou serious? It's an insanely shit explanation.
>>97767296No, this is literally not got anything to do with any of that now.I'm asking you a question, which is important because you seem to think that a question even being asked is some sort of devastating blow.Does asking a question about something render that thing indefensible?
Gave Thorpe is by far the worst writer of GW and he deserves execution for his works about both elves and eldars.
>>97767294>I like waffles>So you hate pancakesI'm fine with Gav Thrope's explanation regarding the population of elves. I am not defending the other things he wrote.
>>97767300That's how you know they're gone. Even 9th Age is dead as fuck with all the infighting. (Though I'd argue it was never alive in the first place.) The counterarguments and defenses for WHFB are nothing alike what WHFB players would've agreed with.
>>97767308Maybe these are bots defending Thorpe?
>>97767307Oh god, it's worse. He's actually openly saying he's defending a quote used against him to this day.
>>97767307>I'm fine with Gav Thrope's explanation regarding the population of elves.>AS MANY ELVES AS STORY DEMANDS>>97767310They could've fed the bots old WHFB army books then.
>>97766990>the rules boring and uninspired and there is no charm at all to be hadThat's the same for 40k.
40ktard here. What's gonna happen to AoS? I thought it was doing fine (obviously not 40k numbers but still) and moderately popular. Will there be a third fantasy line?
Whats the population of elves in Age of Sigmar? Excuse, I meant Aelves.
>>97767311Not just him but Games Workshop writing in general. There's no point caring about any event if there's always more. The Empire, Sigmar's AoS friends, the Imperium, or any other faction could lose infinite provinces or miles of land and still be completely functional. It just highlights how meaningless every conflict is.
>>97767322AoS is being squatted as a setting but not the model lines. They are starting a new setting by merging a bunch of shit into one planet/world and killing of Sigmar. From what we know it's kind of a bad rip off of the WHFB world.
>>97767322most likely just a change to the lore and world setting to make it more easy for new players/secondaries to get interested in AoS as a tabletop game, also most likely a grand souping of several factions and model linespeople who say AoS is getting squatted as a whole are retarded
>>97767044Cause they look like a license free third party version of fantasy chaos dwarves. Also women lol
>>97767335>souping of several factions???? such as? i didn't read anything about this.
>>97767364I think they look more like Chinese mobile slop take on Chorfs. Those daemon testicles all over everything are hilariously bad.
>>97767335>also most likely a grand souping of several factions and model linesLiterally making shit up still
>>97767377NTA but if you think IDK and KO and FS stay as their own factions in the reboot...well you're naive
>>97767398I can take IDK and FS but KO? They have diehard fans and are not unpopular as the other two.
Did leaker delete account?
>>97767368>>97767377The only one speculated to soup is Fyreslayers, because whitewolf or whatever the leakers' name is said that they will get new models but not new book. Combined with a short story of the white dwarf uniting Dispossesed and Fyreslayers and taking up the mantle of their diety, or something like that. Granted if we do see something like that it'd be obviously an entirely new dwarf kit given dispossessed models are in ToW.
>>97767398FS are being souped, but they are getting new Fyreslayer specific models in the process. Nothing is happening to IDK and KO, this is just an axe you keep trying to grind because you have brain damage.
>>97767414>Granted if we do see something like that it'd be obviously an entirely new dwarf kit given dispossessed models are in ToW.Fyreslayers are going to get a big (12+) models update, about 1/4th of will be Fyreslayers and the rest will be regular dwarfs.
>>97767368>>97767377from the rumor mill we know that fyreslayers aren't getting a new battletome which means that most likely they're going to be put into a souped new faction along with CoS dorfs or something. deepkin probably aren't getting souped but i imagine they're going to stagnate for a good while as a faction linei've seen a few people saying kharadron are being souped or squatted but i can't really see that happening since they're somewhat popular from what i understand? at the very least the models sell decently well enoughi jumped the gun by saying "several factions" but i go glass-half-empty with the assumption that GW is retarded and a faction that isn't doing too well for their liking is marked for death
Is dorghur copyrighted?
>GW initially deleted any comments mentioning End Times 2.0 on social media>now they are just leaving them up but ignoring themSo the silence pretty much confirms it? I get it, they can't cave because if they do, it means people inside the company can force their hand by leaking things they don't like. It's like negotiating with terrorists.
I’ve figured it out. It won’t be The Last World, it’ll have a different name.>The Great Horned Rat wins, running through his domains GW finds the perfect fit. Age of Desperation. Not for the characters, but for the shareholders trying their best to kill off this fucking setting
Crazy that if all of this is true, the wfb grogs literally will have won
>>97767536How so? AoS will have an even more direct connection to ToW than it already has and it's already causing seething from the non-player crowd.
>>97767547You keep calling the new setting AoS. There's no Sigmar, there's no Mortal Realms. It won't be AoS anymore (thank goodness)
>>97767308>9th AgeI wish that joke was funny. That project was never good.
>>97767482When Valrak leaked Horus Heresy 3.0 they had a massive sperg out and responded by making one of the strangest marketing campaigns I've ever seen
I am glad the part about more human factions is wrong. There's no hope for any GW property that overdoses on badly made historical humans instead of elves, dwarfs, undead, etc.
>>97767574Yeah but that was leaked like a month or two before launch no? They have a lot of dead air to fill until then. Do they think the questions will stop if they ignore them?Adepticon chat is going to be HILARIOUS .
>>97767558My theory is Sogmar will not die (for real) just enter some sort of slumber and that in the end Realms will end as continental lands in a single big planet so as much as we can be hyperbolic here, AoS will keep being AoS.
>>97767597your current empire troops
>>97767558>Sigmar is going to die>SIgmar from Age of Sigmar™you people are actually single cell organisms. Zero brain matter, just piloted by anything resembling drama
>>97767616Needs less clothes and a bigger stick
if sigmar is getting killed (again) i pray that archaon gets whacked too, it would be the only interesting thing that cumsock would have been involved with in the last 20 years
Wow this thread fucking sucks todayBut have a good night anons see you for the reveals.
>>97767616'es a proper lad.
>>97767044Hey Floppie you gonna be around for the show tomorrow? Also how is your night so far?
>>97767635Nope, he instead gets stuck in the cuck corner of the northern wastes where he'll constantly try to escape south but be blocked off by a religious human zealots holding the line for the rest of the cities of sigmar out there. How little things change.
>>97767584>I am glad the part about more human factions is wrong.based on what?
>>97767313>>AS MANY ELVES AS STORY DEMANDSWhy is that a problem again?
>>97767666Yeah I am somewhat interested. I doubt 40k 11th will be a game I enjoy because I hate 10th, but I cope myself into a delusional that maybe this edition will be good since like 8th. Also I’m interested in how the cogfort looks aesthetically and mesbg getting something is always cool. How’s your night? I assume you’re tuning in?
>>97767691autism or something
>>97767574>responded by making one of the strangest marketing campaigns I've ever seenQRD? I've completely forgotten it.
>>97767805NTA but they made a website called something like " The Horus Hearsay " where they shitposted about rumors and made reddit style jokes about it. Then they did like an 80's tv advertising thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fG0Zu2Q20UAlso I am sure that the leaks with the shitty blurry photos are intentional and leaked by GW themselves. Jeets have cameras with higher quality than these alleged leakers. It's 2026. There's no reason for photo leaks to look like they are taken on nokias from 2005.
Is a PDF of the 4th edition Ossiarchs battletome already available? If so, could someone share a link?
So, with the new setting coming over, CoS are dead for sure, right? I mean, they never worked properly in AoS and the rumours say that we will have proper distinct human factions. Maybe some of the cooler models will get recycled?Thank god I only collect S2D. Safest faction of the bunch.
>>97767811NDAs are usually enforced upon lower production level employees by item check-ins before work, monitoring, etc. Boole originally leaked images of the core book and Skaventide box as they were fresh out of the printer or right before assembly. You can't just walk around the factory floor as a jeet new hire with your smartphone out snapping pictures.
>>97767691Because they've been consistently presented as declining population despite the internal favouritism making most of the significant characters them
>>97767941here's your (You)
>>97767325If Hammerhal Aqsha of Ghyran were to collapse it’d cripple every single other realm especially Aqsha/Ghyra. If Ayzr falls it’s game over if Shyish inverts like an assshole and turns into a hypoborean triangle it’s game over. Also aren’t the Fyreslayers getting genocides by rats rn because they added their own city to the map via photoshop
The game will be called Age of Morathi now.
i love jerking my insensate cock to daughters of khaine and morathi so much bros, it really helps me get off after i started estrogen! i giggle every time i post a smug morathi or blood hag image! no, i cant post my models they're all covered in LAYERS OF CUM, dont ask! oh my god i fucking love generic elves in bikinis so much oh my god im gonna fucking CUM ohhhhhhhhhi still cant BELIEVE GW HAD THE GALL TO MAKE THEM WEAR MORE CLOTHES
>>97767962Dude its not the end of the world. They are just redoing some parts of the game that were anemic. No one ever liked the lack of geopolitics between factions. The fact that the grand alliance that had most of that was death, which is 80% mindless minions, is not a good sign.
>>97768085Do you have a stroke?
>>97768085>i cant post my models they're all covered in LAYERS OF CUM, dont ask!but enough about chaos players
I'm anticipating disappointment for CoS reveals tomorrow - I don't know what I want, aside from a human Priest model.
>>97768097i hope you enjoy 3 battlemages instead
>>977681381 black guy, 1 ethnic woman, and 1 white woman I am locking in my answers now.
>>97767691Shitty false stakes they're not even pretending exists. Might as well say Custodes are so elite 10 of them got wiped out by a toddler with that much lore rape.
>>97767691>why is a commonly mocked flaw with lack of any consistency or sense in Games Workshop settings a problem >mfw these tw tourists
>>97768164would be interesting
>>97766512>>97766526I think this kind of cuts to the meat of it, whfb (and 40k) managed to succesfully create a sort of "facade of realism". When you think about fantasy for a bit a lot falls apart the empire being 99% forest that's been talked about, or the endless hordes of evil guys somehow sustaining themselves in desolate places like the fucking north pole. It doesn't really make any sense, but it kind of feels right if you don't look at it too hard, and that's ultimately the most important part, the "feeling right". Same story with 40k, that one is even closer to aos in general idea: finite space but de facto infinite, the author can always pull a million more planets/continents out of their ass because there's a billion other ones out there. But again, it *feels* like there's muh stakes and everything kind of works together, despite it obviously not doing so.Age of Sigmar's lore, for whatever reason, never managed to construct this facade of feeling right. I don't know why that is honestly. Maybe it's because both fantasy and 40k are rooted in something real (fantasy twisted our world vs scifi dystopian our galaxy), while age of sigmar went with a hard fantasy (in the classical sense) approach of making up a whole new world and even cosmology, which is harder to convey generally.
>>97766557open any 4e source material, tertiary
>>97768189>Age of Sigmar's lore, for whatever reason, never managed to construct this facade of feeling right. I don't know why that is honestly.The fact that everyone is everywhere in different numbers and the lack of maps describing their distribution and their interactions is a huge problem.I can appreciate the idea of different dimensions not being completely uniform and having internal power struggles, but in AoS' case it just makes things hard to understand. Like, try explaining to a complete beginner what the Cities of Sigmar are. >"uhh, so, like, where do these guys live? Do they have a country or dimension?They have, of course, tried to correct it by giving each realm more identity and geography, but it still has the baggage of 1e. I think what 5e is attempting to do is just fix these ambiguities for good. Hopefully its not an overcorrection and they end up saying "X is the realm of death, Y is the realm of orks and Z is the realm of elfs".
>>97766784They're coming back next edition. It got kind of lost due to boole's crashout but they're mentioned, just not as a starter faction like he initially thought.
>>97767167>
>>97768241This surveys like 50 stores in the US. Worthless
>>97767322Soft reboot, kind of like what happened with you guys and guilliman returning, except I guess in the opposite direction as sigmar is getting murked. All the realms get physically merged into one world instead of being different pseudo-planets, and they're upping the grimdarkness. In theory not the worst changes but anons don't really have much faith in gw's ability to not fuck it up.
Anyone got the current Battletome of Gloomspite Gitz?
>>97768252lmao cope, where's tow btw?
>>97768211I'd say cities of sigmar are actually one of their better handled factions in that sense. They're bastions of order spread across the realms, essentially city states ant their hinterlands surrounded by enemies on all sides. They're the hotspots for reinforcements from azyr to arrive, it's they who send out the dawnbringer crusades, etc. They're one of the more "grounded" factions/places, at least the big ones like lethis or Hammerhal. I don't mean that in the muh realism sense, but in the sense that they've got a good sense of place. They're "rooted" so to speak.>>97768252>here's an old icv2 chart showing aos outside the top 5>okay here's the most recent one showing it at n3>ummm that doesn't countOk
>>97767780>flopposter is the goatslopper, tooFucking kek, aos really lives rent free in your head. Managed to sell all that unpainted DG yet, fakegrog?
>>97768314I don't think so. Whatever else the goatslopper is, he's honest about being the goatslopper. He's not the only one that likes mesbg.Funny story, you know the guy who gets shit for his identical maggotkin? Apparently he also happened to have some blue and orange mesbg dwarves that got recognized in 40kg and got a bunch of shit since the tards there thought he was the goatslopper lel.
>>97768324Nah, he said the exact same thing about hating 10th and enjoying 8th in 40kg while posting his single painted plague marine and shitty mesbg dwarves. He also proved multiple times to be a complete fucking sperg so it's highly likely it's him.
>>97767959>consistently presented as declining populationand that declining population is always as large as the plot demands, this is not an inconsistency, it's an objective fact of any writing if said declining population was said without any ambiguity to be 100 thousands elves or something and this guy mentioned 200 thousands elves, then it would be one thing, but this is not the case. the declining population is unknown, so how can the mention of 200 thousands elves when the population could still be 10 millions or something? declined from a larger past number?>>97768175>commonly mockedappeal to popularity, the argument is that there's no real reason for it to be mocked>flaw with lack of any consistencycitation needed, you still need to show in any way how the book that phrase was applied to shows an inconsistency >tw touristsad hominem, and wrong
>>97768035daughters of burqa
Hot takes for the last world>Sigmars death will be used for the in fluff reason they won't be replacing many fatcast models with thunder strike. Don't expect to see dracoths or star drakes ever again.>Could see generic manifestations squatted, maybe even faction manifestations and terrain as well. These could be seen as barriers of entry for new players and mess up faction identity with souping.Honestly all of 4e feels like a stopgap in hindsight in preparation for this. Rapid fire releases shitting out stuff they've been sitting on for years and minimum effort battle tomes as they focus on the rebrand. Hope the rules writing gets better otherwise the last world is absolutely fucked. Has there even been an overarching story since broken realms?
>>97768414Also jamming all the warcry sprues in with spearhead reeks of squatting. They might be usable in whatever skirmish game they're brewing but they're looking to push new plastic not find a home for old shit.
Fuck all this AoS Endtimes 2 - Electric Boogaloo, where’s the goddamn trees leaks?
>>97768414Sigmar's death wouldn't be a reason for the disappearance of dracoths and stardrakes.The death of dracothion will be, however.>barriers of entry for new players and mess up faction identity with souping.Both are solved by not making them free, and thus obligatory.A soup book with a couple of optional scenery pieces is no different than the same soup book with just a few extra units to choose from.>Has there even been an overarching story since broken realms?We've had the dawnbringers books, which are more linear and connected in what they narrate than the broken realms, which were essentially anthological, but the dawnbringers books don't have the same huge scopes, it was "just" the two largest crusades launching from hammerhal to found verdigris in ghyran and embergard in aqshy. The biggest events were abraxia destroying phoenicium, kragnos getting half-caged, khul ascending to demonhood and the rats telefragging the irrelevant third of the relevant part of aqshy.
>>97768442>The death of dracothion will be, however.Leave my boy alone he doesn't deserve this.Anyway wouldn't it be the destruction of azyr that does them in? They're supposed to be naturally respawning creatures since their soul goes back to azyr or some shit but that'll be more difficult without an azyr I should think.
>>97768512>Leave my boy alone he doesn't deserve this.There's no place for godbeasts on a smaller world, they'll have to go.Except maybe ignax because she could be turned into the sun.Maybe that's why the gods of order chained her in the first place, they were already preparing for the last world plan.
>>97768537>orb infernia was the proof of concept of realmgates being able to hold together a planetoid
>>97768555>mallus is being reused as core of the world and that's why the continents on top have to be arranged in familiar patterns
>>97768537>There's no place for godbeasts on a smaller world, they'll have to go.Would the world be smaller? As far as we know they're just smushing all the realms together, doesn't mean a reduction of size. For example boole mentions hysh will be like ulthuan, an island in a big sea.
>>97768560>only a small part of each realm was conquered because only those parts were being used for the last world
>>97768560This image got me into aos. By far the most kino of all the shitty 1st edition art. I'm a sucker for fantasy star-city kind of designs.
>>97768563Hysh might stay intact because it doesn't look that big, but of the other realms we're only keeping the mapped continents.
When ADEPTporn stream is starting?
>>9776860714 hours
>>977686071 am bong time
>>97768596Assuming the maps from >>97768573 are all roughly the same size would randomly make hysh absurdly overrepresented though. Like the ymetrican geosegment is roughly equivalent to say the great parch, and there's 7 more of them. That would make more than half of the "last world" hysh. Though given gw's boner for high elves I wouldn't put it past them lol
>>97768640>the ymetrican geosegment is roughly equivalent to say the great parchI don't think it is, it looke like a much more zoomed in map
>>97768646Mhm, maybe a little bit? Doesn't look that different to me. But even if it was say 2x zoom that still means we end up with a lot more hysh than any other realm.Why the fuck is hysh so tiny anyway?
Kindly requesting 3e and 4e FEC battletomes, thank you.
Realms were retarded. Every single sane person can agree with this. Good riddance.
>>97768757realms aren't any more difficult to wrap your head around in both concept and scale than the planets of a system if anything the scale 40k operates at is even harder to grasp, people think they understand how big a galaxy is, or how it works, but they don't what they did terribly was the first impression, and the later insufficient clarifications, but aos will never be able to shake off the weight of that first impression
>>97768757>planets are retardedHow so?
>>97768816>first casualty of the last world
I can't believe the haters actually won. Ten years of pretending I actually liked this down the drain.
>>97768853you own no miniatures and play no wargames
>>97768879I have more models than your fat weight, and I've played more wargaming systems than you have. I also have better discernment about them than you do, seeing as I abandoned AoS asap whereas you toiled in the assrot fumes of fellow speckled enbies for actual years.
>>97768816>>97768821And people still say gw doesn't use discount boxes to get rid of old stock
>>97768853>>97768910You need to at least keep your shitposts consistent. Just like out of principe or something if nothing else.
>>97768792It's not a matter of wrapping your head around it. It's a matter of it fucking sucking. As soon as people get a sense of it they lose interest because it's a bad rendering.
>>97768821If any kit was gonna be retired it was going to be them
>>97768853>I can't believe the haters actually won.Never doubt the power of hate.
>>97768910yeah, yeah, yet you still come here to shitpost lmao
>>97767691This nu-/tg/ has gone too far. If you made any defense for that 10 or 15 years back, everyone would've shat on you for it. Fuck off back to wherever you came.
>>97768910uh oh groggy retard melty
>>97768933>As soon as people get a sense of itBut they don't though. The realms thing filters to many people who think they're infinite multidimensional planes it's actually funny.
>>97768400Good trolling attempt. You deserve a (You) for pretending to be an impossibly big Warhammer Fantasy Battle slop consumer. To add to your performance, try pretending you loved Mark of Chaos or other past games, or for extra triggering, say you enjoyed how 8th edition made giant blobs of infantry meta to sell more plastic. With the right homework, you could make all who played WHFB rage and order you to stop.
>>97768910I can practically hear the lip smacks and labored breathing of this post
>I can't believe they're removing the realms! >I can't believe they're just removing BoC and Bonesplitterz and Sacrosanct! >I can't believe they're just removing non-Humans from CoS! >I can't believe they're just removing greatsworders after opening 3rd with their emphasis! >I can't believe they're just removing Wanderers! >I can't believe they're just removing Josh Reynolds! I could not care less. AoS isn't something to grow attached to holistically. It's been a vague crapshoot for a decade with any development being upended by momentous marketing hype for products. I enjoy the game as a game and the story is just some background detail, not something to "live in" learning more about over time and growing attached. It's popcorn.
>>97768982Does DnD still have the planes? Ifso I find it hard to believe that many people find the realms difficult to understand, they are basically the same thing.
>>97769004talked like a true mindless zoomer
>>97769017>>97769017>>97769017These are going by way too fast
>>97768961>>97768986You're deflecting and hiding behind more fallacies because you can't actually support any of your bitching.
>>97768189It's more it's newfags who don't remember 1. WHFB is fantasy above all else so we excuse it or complain about it much like 40k gets nonstop complaints, we're also used to GW quality writing2. WHFB isn't as popular as 40k by a long shot so you wouldn't hear about its complaints as hard as 40k3. We did complain but they're not as widely remembered. Between complaints about Bretonnia going too deep into Arthurian Mythology and less into France, overall flanderization, they once released lore that 9/10 of a peasant's harvest gets taxed which near immediately they clarified it gets redistributed. I feel a lot of newer fans are more in love with the idea of WHFB than the actual. If they so much as read old forums or a 1d4chan article written before aos existed, they'd see a host of complaints or criticisms. We accepted it was a fantasy setting with far from perfect writing, retcons and inconsistencies everywhere, and accepted complaints while still playing out badly balanced plastic crack game. I've seen newer players (largely from other media) defend parts of the setting even die hard WHFB fans accepted were flaws or inconsistent. We suspended our disbelief, not denied and defended.
>>97768961See >>97769128They out themselves as newer players (if they actually play) too easily. They're desperate and trying too hard to fit in.
>>97767173>outsold byu Battletech>golden goose
>>97769013Cope
>>97769137Not everyone who disagrees with you and your trve scotsmen is some kind of dishonest boogeyman.
>>97769234Not everyone here is as illiterate as you. I pointed out that his opinion would've gotten shat on so he's a tourist from elsewhere. I didn't even say if I agreed or disagree with his opinion.
>>97769277if you agree then it means that you're projecting your own tourismif you disagree, this post of yours is pointless and further dishonesty
>>97769004This is the correct path. I tried reading an aos book and clocked out when they started explicitly naming units in the book, the stories exist as ad space. There's also the severe lack of stake or investment in the story when archaon is literally the embodiment of a Gary stu and so many loose plot threads that are clearly contingent on upcoming model releases.I loved third edition and the setting and army identity in a general sense though. I guess I can understand the complaints about the realms, they shouldn't have named them after the aspects of magic or at least made more neutral territory like eight points with strategic significance. Like I don't sincerely believe shyish or hysh will ever fall to morathi or gotka morka. The realms were invented as a blank canvas for people to set their campaigns in but I believe those people are a minority and most people want a closed theme park experience.
