I like the CGL sculpts. I’ve purchased a ton of mechs and have painted a good chunk of them. The plastic quality is ok once you clean it up. I don’t have a 3d printer and I’m definitely not using resin if I do get one. But even if I did get one I’d still buy CGL because I like the majority of their designs.

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I tried Mechwarrior: Age of Destruction's starter set tonight. Had a lot of fun with it.

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I like how it's focused on combined arms. The infantry are fun to use, especially when you group them up into a formation.

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This was the most brutal part of the game. An exchange of fire in the heart of the board tore my Jade Hawk apart, I did not come out on top of that engagement lol

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Old "Copperhead" is scary. Based on this one game, he seems far better than the Jade Hawk I got, "Blitz" but maybe that was beginner's luck on my opponents part.

>>97856254
Buy an ad.

>>97856254
I like the CGL sculpts.. Of the plastics they did in the 2014 introductory boxed set. I've been using them and recasting more of them for me and my friends. Personally I really dislike the new sculpts, but at least it has brought a lot more people into the hobby.
Sucks I still have to buy the random new boxed sets for the mapsheets. But hey that does let me trade some of the new mechs for other people's old sculpt metals.

I need ideas for a way to implement something in a campaign. In addition to set op-for for scenarios, I'm thinking of including a mini-RAT to increase the BV for multiplayer or higher scale forces, but since salvage rules are a bit lenient I want to have powerful and rare mechs curved off, so if you end up bringing friends or bigger forces to a campaign track you have a higher chance of them showing up. What I'm thinking of doing to have that happen is have 12 mechs and vehicles selected for the mini-RAT with things like clan omnis and fancy things placed towards 1s and 12s. The problem I have is I don't want to have to be manually picking or rolling on RATs or Megamek for each of these individual special slots in addition to the common slots.

Can anyone think of a way to roll for 'Mechs and Vees that can be configured to give me a distribution between tech and availability levels? Like something I can roll on that will give me 5 "common", 4 "uncommon" and 2 "rare" selections? I can just roll them separately to assemble the table, but I don't see in megamek a good way to do that for both Vees and 'Mechs at once.

>>97856441
*11 mechs and vehicles for the mini-RAT

Sorry, 2d6 has 11 results, math is hard.

>>97856407
I don’t know how someone could have taste this bad but that’s alright

>>97856254
You don't belong in the hobby. CGL are criminals and if you give them money you're a criminal by association. Either 3d print or get out of my game.

>>97856485
>You don't belong in the hobby. CGL are criminals and if you give them money you're a criminal by association. Either 3d print or get out of my game.
Trying Too Hard.

>>97856485
Give it a rest you fucking retard. I'll make my mechs out of plasticard and air-dry clay if I want to and you can go print yourself a dildo to go fuck yourself.

>>97856485
Weak contraryanon posting, year what, six? Seven?

why the speedrun on the last thread?

>>97856527
It's actually very unusual to let a general fully archive before starting a new one. This thread only started doing that recently.

>>97856231
Wait til page 9 or 10 next time

>>97856542
Suck my fuck cuntbag.

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What are some mechs?

>>97856231

You must be new here but /btg/ courtesy is to wait longer before making a new thread.

>>97856559
>>97856547

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why are the wolverines the coolest clan?

>>97856485
Oh ho! Marvellous bait, m'lord.

>>97856485
>>97856547
>Manic here
yay

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In hindsight, the Capellan Special Military Operation to de-Davionify St. Ives should have ended in failure

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>>97856568

>>97856573
Had the good grace to be the first clan to what all clans should do, die.

>>97856260
>>97856293
>>97856293
>>97856302
>>97856305
Cool. Seems like you had fun :)

>>97856595

If we're going down that road, then with hindsight Victor shouldn't have tried to hide that Marik's kid had shuffled off this mortal coil via a body double, a technique that had been tried and failed TWICE within his own family alone.
Like, of all the things to try, the thing that Max tried and failed to make work with his dad, and then his mother tried and couldn't even make work when everyone involved was a willing participant, should have been the LEAST likely thing for him to go with. Just keep saying the kids in treatment or something. Or, and here's a fucking wild idea, maybe just tell the guy the truth because it's the LEAST damaging option available? Like, yes he's going to be mad, but not "Joins forces with the Cappellans" mad. Nor would it be the thing your sister, WHO BY THIS POINT YOU ALREADY KNOW HAS KILLED YOUR MOTHER uses to break the Commonwealth back into Davion and Steiner halves!

>>97856717
I can forgive that. The worst fuckup VSD ever did was abdicating the throne after the FCCW, second only to becoming a fucking Stoner. inb4 someone says it wasn't making a princess harem out of both his sisters, Omi Kurita, Isis Marik, and Kai Allard-Liao in a dress.

>>97856768
>Kai Allard-Liao in a dress.
You have my attention. More than that, you have my interest. Men make much better women than women do.

>>97856293
Cool dudes.

>>97856254
I like them too. I have 2 problems thou.
1.Mold lines are sometimes horrible and in your face on tiny bits.
2.Soft plastic makes it easier to scrape detail while cleaning.

I also would prefer to buy them on the sprue to be able to pose them myself.
With bit more technical know how and better plastic they could be tip top models.

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Can someone toss me the audiobooks for Shell Games, Honor's Gambit and Rock of the Republi

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>>97856579
No, I was posting about "biological, Resident Evil-ass monsters"

>>97856816
>Men make much better women than women do.
In before >REEEE COMMIE TRANNIES!!!

>>97856916
Check Cranstons log files.

>>97856986
KING!
I'll be around to suck your dick in an hour or 2 anon.

>>97856573
They realised the Clans were dumb and bailed on the experiment, and got away with it.

Very based and redpilled.

>>97856573
It would be rly funny for them to become Blakists.
But my guess they might be fuckers who did whole Clarion Note thing from within WoB.

>>97857328
>from within WoB.
Nigga, that was Stone 100%.

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>>97857128
>the wolverines are still out there... menacingly

>>97857334
How? He somehow managed to infiltrate fanatics who did and infiltrate everyone else backed by AI?

>>97857365
>He somehow managed to infiltrate fanatics
You mean the guy literally programmed in the Kittery camps and set loose as part of the Master's backup plan?

Did you not see how he's a literal sleeper agent, and literally surrounded by Blakists in his inner circle. Read Surrrender Your Dreams and ER:3145 again, bro. Dude literally set himself up to go to sleep and set it off, expecting the Successor States to fall apart in the vacuum when it was his shitty realm that did, instead.

>>97857386
>Master's backup plan
never got that

WoB was winning without Stone. The Master just sabotaged it.

>>97857386
Sry I'm new to BT and have not read much.

the republic of the sphere trying to confiscate mechs makes them seem evil to me

>>97857499
That and the forced population displacement meant to destroy their native cultures to make them compliant RotS citizens. Which you can't do to people who have battlemechs.

>>97857499
Just wait until you see them exiling millions from their homeworlds to dying worlds for "diversity" as they give those homeworlds to clanner scum.

>>97857412
>WoB was winning without Stone.
Unfortunately, no. The Coalition was happening with or without Stone. Putting him at the head let them control the collapse and the aftermath. They still tried plan C in the FWL but Titus fucked that in the ass.

I know level IIs can be a mix of basically anything, but do they have any specific trends for armor level IIs? I've got two Magi and two Prowlers, so obviously they go with a lot of infantry, but I'm thinking of just adding two LRM carriers. I'm going to be doing some heavy combined arms shit anyway.

>>97857609
What kind of infantry you take?

>>97857648
For now just Tornadoes. A whole level II of just those. I wish IWM had made more than just a monopose model, but I'll single base them to represent a whole level I each.

>>97857609
There's a rotary 5 hetzer with C3I I think would be thematic. You could also go with a Burke or Zhukov.

>>97857128
>>97857348
Didn't the outbound light find an inhabitable planet that had a clan monument with all but one symbol (the wolverine one) defaced that had been maintained/had flowers put on it relatively recently before they got JAG'd?

is mixtech super common in the ilclan era?

>>97858142
Selecting the ilClan Era tag and Mixed Tech tag on mekbay while searching for battlemechs returns 252 results.

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Most of my Battletech and random RPGs i've been trying to collect over the years. Its been really hard to get my hands on some of the old shit, but once I get more I'm going to get that other shelf built and ready to go for it.

>>97856485
Post links to prints then

>>97858230
>Transformers RPG
Easily the worst thing in your collection. I'm glad I played the game before I did anything stupid like pay money for it.

Okay, let me try a different approach with this.

How would you configure megamek's RAT roller to give mechs and vehicles for a formation in three separate categories (for FCCW)?

The categories I need are:
- Common Mechs and Vehicles
- Uncommon Mechs and Vehicles
- Clantech and Rare Mechs and Vehicles

As far as granularity goes I could perhaps filter by the availability rating, but it is my understanding that except for X rating, almost all mechs are going to be E and F, making it very difficult to subdivide.

>>97858253
I literally payed nothing for it, some friend gave it to me for my birthday since I'm a big Transformers dork.

Its just nice to have honestly.

>>97858142
It's not super common since it's mostly reserved for elite regiments (Davion Brigade of Guards, Sword of Light, Free Worlds Guards, etc.), with regular line regiments still using IS tech, but every state has some mixtech designs of their own.

>>97857365
Project Clarion (the HPG blackout device) was developed by WoB during the Jihad as a final fuck you to the IS in case they lost. However, they never ended up using it (likely the people who would have wanted to use it were the same who wanted to glass Terra to deny it from the coalition, but they were considered too crazy even by the rest of the WoB and got killed when the argument got violent and somebody set off their nuke stockpile). Stone got his hands on the designs after the war. Unfortunately for the IS at some point he started believing in his own propaganda and seriously thought that if he brought down the HPG network all the Great Houses would collapse but his new and superior state would endure and become the sole dominant power in the IS. So he actually did what even the WoBbies were not crazy enough to do and activated Clarion. That went about as well as you'd expect, and his own realm imploded in a matter of weeks after the HPGs went down while the Great Houses endured like they had for centuries.

>>97858406
Selecting the ilClan Era tag and Mixed Tech tag on mekbay while searching for battlemechs and then adding the Mercenaries faction tag returns 88 results, down from 252. Adding the tag for the Ubiquitous (Inner Sphere) reduces the number of varoants to 4: ARC-7C, FS9-N "Mirage II", WHM C2, WHM-10K.

>>97858464
I don't know if I'd read much into the ubiquitous quirk. Pretty much nothing after 3025 gets it, it's just the original unseen and a couple of other introtech chassis. Between CGL getting lazy with quirk application, or there not being a single chassis that can be considered ubiquitous past 3025, I prefer the former explanation.

>>97858464
Ubiquitous is about actuators and the kind of spare parts that aren't modeled. A WHM C or 10K has many parts in common with a pre star league 6R

>>97858464
Quirks are applied on per-chassis basis, with the exception of stuff like the one-off prototypes from XTROs which have their own quirks in the entry, so if the base chassis has ubiquitous then so does every variant, even if that variant is canonically only used by one faction or has some rare tech (sometimes it goes the other way as well, with mech variants missing quirks they should have, like Goliath lacking directional torso mount because the quirk list was written when the OG design was still unseen and the at the time current version didn't mount the dorsal gun on a turret).

>>97856717
why would he even be mad? sure he'll get upset, but the boy was already sick and 'sorry, we tried our best...' always happens in hospital.

>>97856573
Literally called out the dumbest bullshit of the clans, accepting only what worked.
Called the worst Kerenskys bullshit out to his face.
Then inflicted alot of damage before fucking off into the black of space.

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>>97857802
not the outbound light

>>97858522
>>97858488
>>97858485
Ignoring the Ubiquitous tag that still leaves 35% of the mixed tech variants available for private sale or common enough that mercs get them through salvage or as payment.

>>97858332
do you get to design your own bot or something?
>with dino form?

>>97858439
wasn't he in cyro sleep when that happened?

>>97858592
He was, but he set it up to happen while he was frozen, so he could make a dramatic return as the savior of the Inner Sphere. Didn't quite go as planned, as when he woke up he found the Republic had fractured and the Great Houses had in fact not collapsed, but claimed most of his former territory.

>>97858464
With only a few exceptions quirks are chassis based not variant based. Ubiquitous is applying because those are Archers, Firestarters and Warhammers respectively.

>>97858532

Well, the impression I got was that he MIGHT have somewhat oversold the capabilities of NAIS in keeping the kid alive a bit in exchange for military aid.

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HONOR THE DRAGON!

wrong. wrong. wrong. literally everyone and their pet dog is shitting out as much clan and mixed tech as possible.

How official CSO is in terms of paint schemes? Especially the ones with 'canonized by XXX' without the book reference

>>97858681
That was true of star league technology in 3051 as well, that doesn't mean the units with Regular/Reliable next to their name had a bunch of it.

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>>97858676
Mook factions don't matter

>>97858692
Best guesswork on the XXX ones, they often only have a written description of the paint scheme with no visual reference to work from.

>>97858681
>shitting out as much clan and mixed tech as possible
Which for all non-clan states and manufacturers is not much.

>>97858732
WRONG. LC is running multiple factories, as is DC.

hell even fucking quickcell of all people are able to happily shit out LRM and SRM C, let alone every other vee maker's hot mixed/clantech ilclan variant of their vee.

almost everyone is eating good in ilclan era.

>>97858692
It's all nonsense. Everyone repaints their mechs all the time for all sorts of reasons. If you find a scheme you like, great, but most people won't notice or care if you deviate.

>>97856573
Even if the Clans themselves proved to be a good idea to make a sustainable society to keep the SLDF from tearing eachother apart, Nicholas was a dumbass demagogue riding the coattails of his father's success and was willing to immediately break his own rules and ideas for the sake of short-term success.

>>97858746
>inb4 clan warrior Asu Wypurr runs a monoblade knife on everyone's mechs before a trial, trying to get them declared dezgra for using the wrong paint, or some other tourneyfag nonsense.

you just fucking know clanners are THAT GUY

>>97858759
>Wypurr
Clearly a Jade Failcon Bloodname as well as behavior.

>>97857669
Got any pic?
Also how do you use them?

>>97858692
The CSO schemes are recognized by CGL as canon

>>97858745
"multiple factories" means nothing. Some factories put out multiple mechs per month, some need multiple years for a single mech. Clantech is not ubiquitous in IS states by ilclan.
For example, the only clantech on the warhammer 10K are the MGs, the SSRM6, the case and the heatsinks. The most important weaponry and equipment on the thing is all IS tech.
Plenty of ilclan era mechs aren't using clantech at all, most mixtech designs won't have more than half of their weapon loadout be clantech.

>>97858801
go away, nice-things-hater. you sound like fucking contrarian-anon.

>noooo everything is mad max forever fuck youuuuuuuuuuuuu 3025 erry year all years

go forth and fuck your own face. the lyrans alone are simultaneously turning their crusaders into 10s's, their banshee's into 11s's, and their zeus's into 11s's. while also upgrading and producing nightsky's as 7s's and their hatchetman into 8s's.


to say nothing of the dcms having pretty much every premiere mech they have turned over to LAW or maltex to turn their dragons and grand dragons into 12k's, while the factories are shitting out brand new ones, the mauler's into 4R's.


on and on it goes.


hell, the fucking griffin C is so common everyone fucking has it by IlClan.

to say nothing of what was once field expedient 'refits' for solahma troops that have since been turned into full production line and run models like the rifleman c3, that is sold to fucking everyone.

the XL manticore which every manticore factory is making, the armor vedette which has pretty much replaced all vedette manufacturing everywhere because of just how fucking neato it is.


the Ilclan standards are standards not because they're 'better', but because the IS can finally make ENOUGH of them.

fucks sakes, clan happy merchant fish is making so many hunchback C's that even lowly merc's get to have it. let alone the DCMS having hunchback C lines.

clan tech and more importantly, tooling is diseminated enough that any and all factories that can make at any kind of scale, are flat out swapping / swapped to the better tooling for the much better models.

this aint your fucking retrotech jihad loser.

EVERYONE gets cool nice things. and no grumpy shitty internet loser faggot who just hates fucking battletech like you is going to stop people who actually LIKE battletech from having cool toys in /their dudes/, no matter what fucking faction they play.

>>97858741
Why is the inner sphere the bubble?

Are there just no other habitable systems outside it?

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>>97858809

>>97858741
where did you get that from?

>>97858809
Having something does not mean you have a lot of that something.
Having "multiple factories" that produce clantech does not mean they are only using clantech or that they're even mostly using designs that have some clantech.
>having cool toys in /their dudes/
Nobody is stopping you from making your dudes the biggest mary sues ever if you want.

>>97858813
You don't have to get very far from terra to find worlds which aren't very populated. There's no point going to the trouble of terraforming a new world, especially since all the nations are a lot poorer than they were at their height.

>>97858826
no fuck off, we are NOT playing this nonsense with you, battletech-hater anon.

>noooooo the lyran's haven't got 750,000 banshee 12s's so YOU can't have one in your list REEEEE! YOu cheated I WIN! HA HA HA!

we all know the fucking scam you're running, you disingenuous cock smoking faggot.

>>97858836
>noooooo the lyran's haven't got 750,000 banshee 12s's so YOU can't have one in your list REEEEE
Nobody said this.
The post you're responding to said the opposite of this.

>>97858836
No need to get this agitated over this, nuln

>>97858846
wrong. faggot tard is saying exactly this
>mary sues

>>97858854
I recognise your faggoty, bitchy, battletech-hating shitposting fuckassery.

>>97858863
I haven't even mentioned you being a cowardly, lying nogames yet so I don't see how you could possibly have recognised my posting style

>>97858863
It's not saying that, there are no rules against you making your dudes a bunch of mary sues.

>>97858877
>mary sues

you're still doing it, even after being pre-empted. even after getting called out for being a cunt.

you're doubling down on cuntishness.

>>97858883
No rules against that either.

>>97858230
That one ribbon sticking out is very dishonourable. You need to stand on business.

>>97858868
Anon, just let Chris sperg out at the imaginary "contrarian anon"

>>97858439
>>97858612
Soure: My Ass

>>97857520
I fail to see the problem. You don't get to live in one homogeneous little enclave. Diversity is a strength and the ROTS was right to force it on those too simple-minded to seek it out themselves. Would that we could do that IRL.

>>97858809
>people who actually LIKE battletech
Those are exactly the sort of people we need to gatekeep out of the fucking game.

>Thread Question:

You sit down for a game that's using 3D terrain. The mapsheet/table depicts an urban setting, dense with buildings radiating out from a packed downtown to more sprawling industrial and residential zones on the edges.

Do you prefer:

a) the buildings are painted in a variety of all sorts of colours and patterns

b) the buildings are all painted in the same consistent colour

I can't decide what's better. I'm already kind of committed to one of these choices in my own terrain collection, but i won't say which yet

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>>97858913
A. I like vibrant, lively urban hellscapes more than I do cold, uniform urban hellscapes.

>>97858913
Most downtown buildings are going to be a flat urban grey with a few that are tarted up for their own tastes or events. If cartoony, maybe making a simple pattern out of those buildings (when looked at from above) would be good enough. If meant to be realistic, colors will usually come from billboards and banners, so rather than one whole red building its grey like the rest but numerous sections are lit up red. Not sure how much extra work you're willing to put into making game buildings (as opposed to diorama buildings) look nice though.

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>>97858946
Few to none would be an identical colour; even if they're all grey and neutral they would be different shades of grey. Unless you are trying to portray a city where everything was built by the same entity or a central authority required everything to match (which would both be plausible choices to depict).

>>97856231
Thread was too soon

>>97858987
>>97856547

>>97857538
Nope they were winning before Stone. The attempted coalition had failed. The Master sabotaged the war pointlessly.

>>97858993
If it wasn't Stone it would have been someone else. Ganging up on the people attacking everyone, everywhere is too obvious an idea and the divisions and ships they found in the back of the plot closet weren't enough to sustain that behavior.

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>>97858993
True.

WoB held enough industry and had hit so many command and control areas that no one could effectively counterattack.

They fought like the SLDF and were winning.

>>97858993
>>97859006
>>97859024
The writing of the Jihad is so utterly schizo that's kind of difficult to precisely understand what the WoBbies were even trying to do, let's not even consider them giving a "victory condition" bar "Inner Sphere Collapse". Their victory condition (Second Star League membership and control as powers behind the Throne, Clan Genocide) died relatively soon. The Republic of the Sphere was a shitty backup plan to gift the random civvies at least a couple generations of peace, but Stone without his Blakist programming could not simply manage a winning plan and had to burn down everything.

>>97858741
Cool, but I always assumed there were more clan planets. That cluster seems rather small base to conquer IS with.

They didn't expand further out?

>>97859029
>but Stone without his Blakist programming could not simply manage a winning plan and had to burn down everything.
Source: My Ass

>>97858913
>You sit down for a game that's using 3D terrain
I don't sit down at the table. 3d terrain is terrible for Battletech. Use cardstock tokens and building counters like a normal person so your minis can safely overlap the counter.

>>97859032
Trying Too Hard

>>97858759
>>97858768
Purest of them all.

>>97858908
Starting with you. Now scram to bluesky.

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>>97858913
How about B but with varied colorful signs and stuffs?

>>97859035
I suppose it doesn't matter that Mechs don't rest easily on your building terrain when all you're playing with is children's plastic toys that are basically 1-piece gumball machine rewards.

Some of us actually care about our minis, often out of metal, and those don't react well to falling over off of terrain. Sorry you don't care about your miniatures. I guess I'll just chalk it up as another way zoomers are completely fucking retarded and need to leave the hobby. You don't care about the game. You just want visual spectacle for pics and social media updoots.

>>97858946
U must be living is peak communist hellhole utopia, California?

>>97859048
>>97859035

>>97859006
>If it wasn't Stone it would have been someone else.
Not rly, if it was so than subsaharan Africans would have invented the wheel and satellites by themselves. They still live in mud huts.

>>97859048
>>97859032
Christ, grogs are literally the worst thing to ever happen to Battletech.

>>97859048
Trvth NVKE

>>97859074
>>97859048
Cease, nuln.

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I just bought The Damocles Sanction. Any lit-anons wanna tell me how to think about it?

I'm only into chapter 2 so far but it seems pretty bog standard.

>>97859048
>>97859032
STFU and die grampa. Christ the sooner we ban everyone older than 25 from the game the sooner we can actually make it good. Old people need just f*cking die off already. This isn't your game anymore. No one cares what you think. If you're playing on mapsheets with tokens and actual metal minis (f*cking gross) the game has passed you by and you contribute nothing of value to the community. Just leave.

>>97859081
It's a Battletech novel. Literally not a single novel in all of Battletech has been passable. Stick to the sourcebooks.

>>97859082
Wait and see him call you "zoomer" or some shit now while having a melty at the lack of gatekeeping rofl

>>97859082
Are you having a stroke?

>>97859048
Leave lmfao

>>97859081
I finished a week ago and genuinely can barely remember anything from it. Sorry anon :(

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>"Complete this last trial, cadet, and you will become a part of our honorable Clan"

>>97859030
Yeah, the clan homeworlds were always like 50 systems at most, and the planets in the systems were almost all notoriously hostile at that.
>They didn't expand further out
That's just what was actually worth planting a flag on in the area, everything else was even less valuable rocks.
>That cluster seems rather small base to conquer IS with
Clan logistics fall apart when you actually examine them, that's just one part of it. Save yourself the trouble and ignore it, critical examinations of clan lore and writing is the path to madness.

>>97859112
What about the massive tech and industrial output gap that formed post Exodus? Each of those Clan worlds is worth dozens if not hundreds of Spheroid worlds.

>>97859099
Starts with some cuck living under combine rule during the dark ages. Then protestors oppose the combine.

Then it shoots to the actual conflict between federated suns and combine on New Avalon.

I just found out battletech had an rpg. What was it like?

>>97859162
>had
>was
Buddy, it's still in print. We're on the 5th version, and every version is super different.

>>97859162
It's death by tables and, imo, is more a way to flesh out narratives for skirmishes for campaign play. I forget what the most recent iteration is called. I don't think it's Aces.

>>97859085
Heir To The Dragon is glorious

>>97858913
use the AS packs. the cardboard foldable building standees are cool.

>>97859085
unfortunately, whilst they are genre fiction, they ARE the hardest, most canon-est battletech anything, so sucks to be you, loser.

>>97859077
neither of those are me, faggot.

>>97859205
>The books are the most canon!
>I want Battletech to be its worst, most cringe possible version!
Grim.

>>97859171
>>97859179
Most recent version is called Battletech: Destiny.

Which I'm now acutely aware I don't have a copy of since I don't play the rpg but like to read.

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>>97859139
>What about the massive tech and industrial output gap that formed post Exodus
The benefits of clantech were almost exclusively restricted to the military sector and genetic engineering(primarily for military purposes). Efficient mass production and vast manufactories were not really a major concern for the isolated clan command economies that had no effective economic competition or pressure or realistic external threats.
>Each of those Clan worlds is worth dozens if not hundreds of Spheroid worlds
Most worlds are either barely habitable mining colonies or relatively small production facilities.
The lyran commonwealth alone had around 100 times the population of every clan put together at the time of the clan invasion, the total clan population being about one billion people, just the captial of the lyran commonwealth had seven billion people.

>>97859208
Whipped bitches scream, anon.

>>97859219
>BattleTech: Mechwarrior: Destiny
Didn't realize they double colon'd like savages.

>>97859112
It feels kind of arbitrary that 'the vast galaxy becomes barren and unlivable the moment you set a foot outside the tiny IS area'

>>97859224
Given how much Battletech fans like exploring colons, it tracks.

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>>97859226
It's not. But the clans are coreward, which is barren both in-universe, and real life. That's why Kerensky went there in the first place, because nobody would expect the Exodus Fleet to jump into the stellar desert. Why do you think the Prince Eugen mutinied?

>>97859215
the books are explicitly the 'real' / 'in-universe' events that 'happen', the games are all abstractions.

no matter what you think, that doesn't change because of your whims

>>97859222
oh look, internet tough guy, again.

>>97859048
You don't actually play games. In actual games mechs don't go on top of buildings often. The ones that do will likely be small and less prone to toppling, even when made out of inferior, subpar metal. If this is not enough of an assurance for you, you can use a chit for the (likely) single turn the mech is on top of a building. Your metal miniatures are sad and ugly. Beautiful women feel nauseous around you.

>>97859238
>no matter what you think, that doesn't change because of your whims
Lol the day you get to decide what I think is canon is the day I blow my fucking skull apart, pal.

>>97859265
That's nice anon, but he's talking about actual fact, not "your truth" or whatever subjective nonsense you're spouting.

>>97859265
cool. now battletech-hater faggot is threatening to kill himself, since that's the actual canon of the setting.

>>97859226
The inner sphere isn't exactly a paradise either. A lot of the worlds in the inner sphere aren't habitable, most of them aren't friendly, many were terraformed during the star league era to be livable in the first place.

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>>97856196

>The Word of Blake arranged a ceasefire meeting for the leaders of Gibson and Regulus. On 2 April 3076, a Thera-class aerospace carrier, the ex–FWLS Corinth, entered orbit above Regulus. Precentor Apollyon arrived at the Masterson Memorial Spaceport in Regulus City where he met with Titus. At their meeting, Titus was given a warning to never interfere with matters outside his borders, or all of Regulus would pay the price. Afterward, Michelle ordered a Commando team to fire on Apollyon. Chaos on the field broke out, as soldiers attempted to kill the Precentor, only be stopped and killed by invisible troopers. Only when Apollyon barked his command to stop did they cease their attacks. Blakist Stealth Battle Armor's mimic camo was shut down, allowing the Regulans to see whom they were fighting. Angered by the Regulans' betrayal, Apollyon had one of his troopers crush Titus's left arm. His arm injury was covered up in the media as being the result of a boating accident.

Master and Minions has the text and more Manei Domini stuff. The first person excerpts for them in general read like Custodes fanfiction. I guess Herb couldn't help but run one out while writing them.

>>97859081
It's fine? I grabbed it when I was looking to get a sense of what the Modern FedSuns were up to, and it's pretty average at best.

>>97859390
ok

>>97859293
there still are shitton of planets in the IS, whereas the moment you go out there are... nothing. blank space only

>>97859390
>Master and Minions has the text
I just checked. It does not contain the text you're quoting. Why lie about something like that?

>>97859390
>>97859417
Those events occur in "Sins of the Father" which is in the Jihad Hot Spots: 3076 sourcebook.

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>>97859081


It was okay. Had a decent view of how the Dracs are committed to holding the Dragon's tongue and why shit blows up in their face in IEO. Also cements the Hasek's are clinically retarded and had rational Taurians of all things, but the issue with Erik and Julian is not going to be resolved soon.

>>97859425


>Sarna's references are wrong.

Typical.

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>>97859430
>>97859425
>>97859417
>>97859390

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All this bitching ITT about how tables should look like so I like to settle this once and for all.
This is close to the peak of gaming, could be better after I finish with rocks and hills but this is like 3 steps away from summit.
Step 2 would be better bodies of watter and step 3 would be better roads.

>>97859426
I dunno why I can't get to like Erik so much

>>97859406
It's blank space because uninhabited systems are usually not included on maps unless they have some exceptional significance.

>>97859467
>This is close to the peak of gaming
>Nothing fits with anything else
>This is close to the peak of gaming
>There's no consistency at all
>This is close to the peak of gaming
>Random buildings, bridges that lead to nowhere, roads the lead to nowhere
>This is close to the peak of gaming
Alright lad

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New project started.

In theory, could a small group of pirates function with just a union or overlord dropship and a decent-ish place to hide out between raid trips?

>>97859512
If they have a Jumpship, yeah. Be a boring af group to play though since they'd be sticking to tiny raids and basically petty crimes.

>>97859469

Same. He strikes me as extremely petty and conceited, but I guess that's common with nobility. I think the authors are trying to stoke the divisions within the FedSuns with the March lords being retarded since Julian is low on political and financial capital. Probably gonna have Julian marry Kym Hasek to mend fences and be boring as fuck.

>>97859467
It's quite good, would love to crack beers and play you over it, but no it's nowhere close to peak.

Your buildings are bowed-out cardboard instead of 3D prints. Worse, they're just sitting there in the middle of grass expanses... no pavement, no parking... a tiny road that goes nowhere. Not enough road to actually be a road. Your water features are also tiny and out of scale. Unless they're all depth 0 and purely cosmetic puddles and local creeks, they're a fail too. Your forest bases are very recognizably some kind of golfing shit or xmas scenery (lmao). They should be sanded and flocked, not uniform vomit-green astroturf.

Your individual stands of trees are cute, but very clearly Chinese product straight out of the bag. A peak table would involve stripping the chinaflock from the armatures and reapplying your own higher quality foliage product.

Your battlemat has a huge logo in the centre.

But don't lose hope, kiddo, you're putting in the work. Things will only get better. <3

>>97859493
I can't think of anything more foul than doing slapchop over metal miniatures. Maybe Epstein island.

>>97859430
>Sarna's references are wrong.
Sarna has really gone to shit lately I've noticed.

>>97858809
What is this newfag nogames Nuln oil smeared headcannon?

>>97858809
Undiagnosed mental illness.

>>97859563
>I can't think of anything more foul than doing slapchop over metal miniatures. Maybe Epstein island.
Transitioning.

>>97856489
No he's right. I've told this story before but when the kickstarter was going on I decided I wanted to refund it, emailed them and got everything squared away. Then a couple of days later they up and took the money back out of my account, which at that point put it into the negatives. So now I have to maintain a blood feud with cgl and never buy their stuff again. And it's weird because I still feel righteous anger over super minor slights from strangers from a decade ago, but with all this I almost feel like I should let bygones be bygones even though I know I shouldn't because of the whole negative account and everything.

>>97859773
>No he's right.
Ok buddy

>>97859773
I mean, your anger doesn't sound righteous in this situation.

You were making impulsive kneejerk financial decisions with a bank balance close to zero (when you could've paid with a credit card instead).

>>97859563
>metal miniatures
This isn't 1990 minis aren't metal and drybrushing doesn't automatically mean slapchop.

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Hey /BTG/, did anyone have the STL for the TACO?

>>97859162
If you want to try, stiuck to 2nd ed. You can find the pdf esily. Its also the version that mix more easily with the tabletop game.

>>97859191
Amen. Of the new stuff, In the Shadow of the Dragon is also good.

>>97859493
PrintAnon, you choose very ugly Toro models. There is way better models out there. And free.

>>97859643
They went full corpo, and focused more on shilling the new CGL´s shit that checking the wiki. Also they started to delete any rule and/or useful bit in the articles.

See the C3/C3i mechs category for example. Gone.

>>97859867
>Also they started to delete any rule and/or useful bit in the articles

This was an old thing they were doing anyway. You used to be able to just check the edit history to check up the removed rules but because everyone and their dog seems to want to scrape it to make their own wiki because "fuck cgl" they changed it so only accounts can look at that now

>>97858913
>Areas that have seen recent heavy fighting: Uniform
The districts would need to be rebuilt and overhauled all at once, so its all in the same architectural and design trends.
>Areas that only see occassional skirmishes: Variety
Buildings have lasted long enough that things are swapped out one at a time, putting them all in different style trends.

Is the manticore the best tank?

>>97859891
>they changed it so only accounts can look at that now

You dont need to convince me that they are absolute faggots.

>>97859867
No, that is the best Toro model.
I have updated the STL to use the only piece of any sculpt that is better, taking the arms from mortimerbombitos sculpt and putting them on this one, post-print though, so these two don't reflect that.

>>97859070
There's some chill grogs out there. It's the "Genwunner" grogs that tends to cause issues. Especially if the opposite extreme of "Fast Fashion" new players are present.
You do tend to see the former more often than the latter because they are stuck in the mud rather than the easily drifting of the latter, though. So we're often stuck with assholes fighting battles settled 10/20/30 years ago that everyone else has long settled.

>>97859927
The LRM Carrier is the best tank.

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>>97859927
From a general purpose standpoint, probably, but it kinda depends on what you want from your tank.

>>97859406
There is stuff outside the Inner Sphere, explored space goes quite far out there in fact, just as there are a bunch of systems and planets in the Inner Sphere not listed on the map.
However, it's hard to find stuff outside the Inner Sphere and the near Periphiary.
Using Campaign OPs as a reference, Class-C and Class-D HPG service can roughly be used to eyeball how often a Jump Ship goes to a system for the Deep Periphiary, as those "HPG" services are courier ships on a 1 per 1/2 months to 1 per year. If you roll 6 or lower on 2d6 (if I remember right) for Star System generation, there is no service in the region, and there's a -1 for every 100 Light Years from Terra. The Near Periphiary starts with a -3 (though toll on a different chart), and the Deep starts with a -4 or -5. There's ways to bring it up a couple points, but those HPG services are likely to go further than standard jump ship crews so most things out there are 1 system empires at the high end with rare exception where 1 jump ship is dedicated to maintaining a 2-3 inhabited system empire.

>>97860048
Not a tank.

>>97860120
It's tracked armor that has a turret, it's a tank.

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>>97859989
I like this the most. SBM proportions are weird.

>>97860317
That's great if the rest of your collection is the old metal minis.

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>>97860343
Well, the mini is pretty close to the TRO image. Also similar to the IWM Toro.

And yes, most of my stuff are IWM metals, FASA and old CGL plastics and3D prints. Have some shimmyseens unpainted that got from the last thing i gave money to CGL; the Clan Invasion KS. I have no need for more shimmyseens.

>>97860362
>close to the TRO image.
Yeah the decades outdated one.
I like sculpts that match the superior PGI aesthetic.

>>97856260
Nice to see people playing MW. I love the Dragon's Fury, Stormhammers, RAF and Spirit Cats. Are you planning to expand upon what you've got or just stick to the starter set?

>>97860317
im of the opinion that is the only good taurian scheme

>>97860395
Ideally I'd want Dragon's Fury and Republic forcers and my mate wants Steel Wolves and Stormhammers but given how OOP the game is we'll take what we can get.

>>97860395
All my old MW stuff is in deep storage, but I had a large Bannson's Raiders amd Liao collection, makes me want to dig them out and play again.

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Progress.

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>>97860436
I prefer the Taurian Guard, followed by the Red Chasseurs. But the Pleiades one is good, yes.

Just gonna shove medium lasers in my mech and win, thank you.

>>97860525
just dont care for the brown dominant schemes simply dont do it for me

>>97859540
>Your buildings are bowed-out cardboard instead of 3D prints.
Work just as fine, weight fraction and dont have to paint them. Cardboard win.
>Worse, they're just sitting there in the middle of grass expanses... no pavement, no parking... a tiny road that goes nowhere.
This might be suprise for americans but not everything is paved up urban hellscape.
>Not enough road to actually be a road.
Agree, got only one set of road tiles. Wish they make more like that.
>Your water features are also tiny and out of scale. Unless they're all depth 0 and purely cosmetic puddles and local creeks, they're a fail too.
They were depth 0. But they are in scale, not every body of water is great lake or Mississipi. There are literally seasonal ponds outside my building that hold water for 3-4months.
>Your forest bases are very recognizably some kind of golfing shit or xmas scenery (lmao)
These are fake grass rolls.
>They should be sanded and flocked, not uniform vomit-green astroturf
LoL so all that flock would came of after being in transport twice? These are heavy duty, you can't fuck them up. I know because we still have some I made in 3rd ed Fantasy Battle. Also they work well for minis.
>A peak table would involve stripping the chinaflock from the armatures and reapplying your own higher quality foliage product.
LOL, LMAO even. Maybe I should cast my own tree trunks in hard plastic while I'm at that?
>Your battlemat has a huge logo in the centre.
Unfortunate part of playing at club were we go places with our stuff.

>>97859493
Gay death Legion or WoB?

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how are we all doing today any games lined up?

>>97859467
>no hexes
>28mm fantasy mat
>giant logo on it
>cardboard buildings
This is gross.

>>97860590
OC

>>97860060
Do anything go anywhere tank that's mobile enough, a big gun enough gun to punch holes, enough armor that it can survive long enough to become immobile from crits, and a turret that lets it keep contributing when that happens, and cheap enough that losing one unexpectedly won't hurt.

>>97860577
Peak Cope.

>>97860591
Got my next Mechwarrior game on Saturday. We're swapping sides since we've only got the starter set for now.

>>97860534
>laughs in reflective armor

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>>97860590
>WoB
Blake is king!

>>97860591
Not well. My last match ended horribly with an overheated crab (fuck infernos) and exploded LRM carriers.

What are the differences between the rifleman, blackjack, and jaeger?
(Since all 3 are basically turrets with legs)

>>97860789
Simple.
Rifleman is sexy af
Blackjack is hot but a little small, twink-ish in a way
Jaeger is ugly as sin

>>97860789
5-20 tons.
Assuming base models the BJ is a decently armored slow medium who can tickle people at long range and then chop them at short.
The Rifleman is the BJs big brother but can't jump, overheats, and doesn't have much armor for its weight.
The jagermech 'fixes' the Rifleman's heat problems by having less armor and worse guns despite being heavier.

>>97860789
Look at the record sheets?
>turret with legs
This is all mechs. Did you mean flak turret? Any mech with an AC can also take flak ammo, this idea that those 3 are "The" AA mechs is fluff, any mech with an AC/2, AC/5, LL or PPC can do that job.

>>97860577
>Work just as fine, weight fraction and dont have to paint them. Cardboard win.
Yeah, sure. Absolutely. "Works fine" is quite a ways from peak. Peak also doesn't really cover completely utilitarian, non-aesthetic qualities like "lightweight" or "no painting required."
>This might be suprise for americans but not everything is paved up urban hellscape.
Ok. Please show me some Polish/Dutch/German photographs of modern 3+ storey buildings built directly on grass.
>Agree, got only one set of road tiles.
What company's road product are you using? I would like to look at it and maybe buy some for myself. I have Hextech roads, but they come with built-in hexes, so they aren't perfect for Alpha Strike.
>not every body of water is great lake or Mississipi
True. But as I mentioned, that makes them cosmetic terrain. And cosmetic terrain is great! But so is terrain with gameplay consequences, and larger bodies of water are a much more interesting prospect during play. I have a cheap hack for making them, if anyone is interested....
>all that flock would came of after being in transport twice
Not if you make them properly. Maybe I can show you mine?
>Maybe I should cast my own tree trunks in hard plastic
That's very high effort compared to what I suggested. After I received my Chinatrees, I simply soaked them in hot water, rubbed off the foliage, dried the trunks, globbed on PVA glue amidst the branches, then glued chunks of clump foliage on (or dusted/dipped them in flock, for another style).
>Unfortunate part of playing at club
Totally understandable. But this, and all the other stuff, prevents you from claiming peak.

You have a fun, robust, versatile, attractive setup. But not a peak one, sir.

>>97860715
>lasers you to death anyway.
>LMAO

>>97860833
TRVTH NVKE

Who wins between a BJ-1, RFL-3N, and JM6-S?

I want to finally read some novels
Should I grab Gray Death Legion saga or Warrior Trilogy, or even something completely different?

>>97860874
I quite enjoyed Shell Games and Icons of War but those probably aren't great starting novels honestly.

>>97860833
Peak setup is a goal, and one which can never be attained. There is always, aways something that can be improved no matter how good it is.

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Newfag here. Just finishing up two warrior VTOLs. Some boomer at the FLGS told me i can increase elevation to a point where mechs cant hit me (classic battletech, obviously). Was he just being a demented boomer?

>>97860888
Cope.

>>97860888
Agreed, but Herr Kurwa van der Kut isn't even close.

How dezgra would it be to strap a gauss rifle or a pair of erppcs onto a stormcrow?

>>97860893
Noice. Blue and orange is one of my favourite combos. I feel like it could use like 5% more orange, maybe like a panel or stripe down each flank.

>>97860915
Why do you think using standard clan weaponry on a common medium omnimech is dezgra, anon?

>>97860893
Yes he was. Vtol elevation does not impact range

>>97861000
He said something about being beyond a weapon's verticle arc, so i figured he ment something like a torso mounted AC20 wouldnt be able to aim that high

Gonna throw some new players into a demo game soon. What are some of the best mechs to offer them? I'm thinking lights or mediums, maybe a Shadowhawk.

>>97861019
The only rule I've seen about something like that lately is that the new BSP Aerospace rules has an optional rule for Flak, requiring arm or turret mounted guns to get the elevation to shoot down CAS planes. It doesn't apply to VTOLs. I'd have to go digging back through my TO and TW to see if there was an optional rule for that somewhere, but I think I read through the ConVee stuff well enough to know VTOLs probably don't get it.

>>97860893
>A grog that doesn't know the rules
Many such cases.

>>97861024
I'll be honest, I found lights pretty boring when I first started playing. You don't really get a taste for the joy of big movers until you start to grow into an intermediate player. The greatest appeal in your early games is flicking through a bunch of weapons systems and trying to balance the range bands and heat load. YMMV ofc.

>>97860893
Not with VTOLs. Aerospace fighters using the actual elevation rules (not levels, elevations, very big distinction) can gain two extra hexes worth of distance per elevation for the purposes of being shot at from the ground. Elevation 1 starts at basically chest height to a human, elevation 2 starts at like 20 kilometers up. VTOLs don't even use elevations, just levels, and their level limit in normal play is 500, or about 3 kilometers. They're not getting outside of the angle ground units can shoot at.

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>>97860591
No gaems today. Maybe tomorrow. Just working on painting and basing lately, got more Ravens for the pile. Jade Falcons are up next.

>>97861118
Okay thanks. I gotta tell the boomer this info. Hes going to be disappointed hes been playing wrong for 40 years, lol

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>>97861148
Anon got arc in your first comment somehow when you stated range and then spelled out here that VTOLs can get 500 hexes of elevation.
Can all weapons fire out to 500 hexes? Boomer is right, VTOLs can get out of range vertically.

>>97861262
Levels do not affect weapon ranges, otherwise you'd have to do trig for any shot from a lower or higher level.

>>97861284
>weapon has a hex range of 1/2 kilometre
>but it can fire 3 kilometres straight up
GTFO
But also anon isn't playing with 4chan, whatever rules his local group uses is the rules he needs to play by, houserules or not.

>>97861262
Levels /= elevation.
Each Elevation counts as two hexes. Each level counts as nothing.

>>97856231
Wait longer next time, last thread only just got to page 10.

>>97861315
Houserules are a form of cheating. Use the real rules or don't play at all.

>>97861315
Levels are not distance and are not elevation. As >>97861326 points out, Elevation extends ranges, levels do not.

Your failure to understand the distinction does not change it.

>>97861329
Great advice, anon can tell his locals to fuck off and then he'll have lots of fun by not playing at all.

>>97861353
This is a rules discussion you have to bring your own social skills to your LGS. It does not change what is written in the book; and I would point out I am skeptical of the purposes of telling a player "you can fly out of range of mechs" other than as misguided trivia.

It sounds like a misguided cheese strategy of putting your VTOLs at high elevation to dip them "in range" of singular targets to fire without reprisal from the rest of the board. The fact the rules do not support it is all the more reason it should be nipped in the bud.

I adore how there's so many grogs who are fucking retarded and don't know the damn rules of the game they been playing for decades and, supposedly, are the true fans of.

>>97861375
see >>97861353
This is an old piece of /tg/ wisdom. You cal tell your group "but 4chan said!" until you're blue in the face.
No one here plays with 4chan, anon has to deal with the friends he actually does play with and your opinion does nothing for him.

>>97861382
>total warfare says X
Apparently anons opponent has been playing since before thst third party book was first printed, none of you even asked anon which rulebook they're using.

>>97861402
Levels affecting range was not a thing in older rules either. Almost every edition words range exactly the same, telling you to count the hexes and that's it.

>>97861315
>weapon has a hex range of 1/2 kilometre
>but it can fire 3 kilometres straight up

Yeah, it’s a rule abstraction. Battletech makes no sense if you squint too hard, just enjoy the game for what it is.

>>97861329
Can you tell us how many irl friend you have? List them by the first letter of their name, and tell us how you met them.

>>97861456
So anon is saying (between the lines) that his local community has houseruled some logic into that abstraction.
Whatever the case he's not going to get games by insisting that 4chan told him otherwise.

>>97861392
>>97861467
It's less a "4chan said" and more "the rule book I'm currently looking at says" Again, it's a communication thing. If it's a house rule, it needs to be communicated as such to avoid confusion. Otherwise, it's reasonable to assume the person talking just doesn't remember the rules correctly.

>>97861483
Which rule book did anon say they're using?

>>97861467
Houseruling the abstraction causes other abstractions to fall apart. Shooting at something 500 levels up and one hex over counts as range 501. Shooting at an aerospace fighter flying at altitude 2 (approximately 40 to 50 kilometers, or about 7000-8000 levels) and flying one hex over is range... 5.

>>97861501
That's nice, you going to play with anon instead if he starts an argument over your opinion?

>>97861488
The one that says range is measures by counting hexes. IE, The box set, Compendium, box set, box set, box set, Master Rules, box set, box set, Total Warfare, box set or box set.

>>97861392
I'll take that into advisement mr. social guru. Perhaps someone with social skills can figure out a better way to bring up the rules error with their playgroup instead of being a retard sperg like you.

>>97861510
The grog isn't going to fuck you for defending his honor, anon. He's probably just incorrectly remembering something he hasn't actually read in 20 years.

>>97860713
Post when i t happens tell us how it goes >>97861143 same to you if you get that match. >>97860747 i know the feeling my vees get bullied frequently

>>97861143
those look very crisp!
Excellent job!

>>97861552
Are you going to play with anon if your argument costs him a group?

>>97861752
Do you kick people out for daring to question whether or not incorrect rulings are houserules or not?

>>97861752
If his group is so fragile that mentioning what the game rules actually are makes them kick someone out, then they weren't worth playing with to begin with. It's not fun to walk on eggshells.

I've played with an "elevation and level =hex for range" group before. It was incredibly lame, lots of gauss VTOLs flying around at height 20~ taking gauss potshots from directly over your head.

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>>97861618
>Post when i t happens tell us how it goes
I will! I actually really enjoyed Mechwarrior the other day, so I'm looking forward to our next game :)

>>97861791
>This exact niche argument by a group that is bullshittingly exploitative in the extreme.
Sure you have.

>>97861832
Adding height to range is a pretty common houserule that people debate pretty often, and a fairly common misconception. It's been done before, both on purpose and not. It's not as fun as the normal way.

>>97859927
Manticore (xl) and Vedette (armour)

>>97859673
>>97859659
Ok, contrarian-anon.
You have made your
>I hate battletech fuck you ! /btg/ shouldn't exist! Reeeeee!
Position clear the first 5000 times.

>>97861846
Uh-huh.
And does this imaginary group also run strictly custom clan pulse jump boats?
Because youre imaginary scenario of gauss VTOL headcap abuse would only occur in a group of That Guys and That Guy will exploit even base rules to that degree.

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What is something you consider an iconic match-up that most others probably wouldn't call iconic? For me, the Clans versus the Republic of the Sphere is a very iconic rivalry.
I'm a (relative) newfag, and the Falcon's Desant, the Steel Wolves invasion of Terra, Clan Wolf's rampage across Republic space and so on are some of the first parts of BT I ever experienced. I love it, and it's the main reason I'm painting up an RAF army to fight my mate's clans.
The Fidelis and Republic Remnant facing the Wolves on their march to Terra, which ended with the scuttling of the Flatus to kill the Clanners aboard, the Steel Wolves, RAF and Stormhammers fighting side by side against the Falcon's invasion of Skye, the Steel Wolves facing the Highlanders and RAF during their failed invasion of Terra, all of this IS Battletech to me.
What's your unusual iconic match-up, anon?

>>97862002
This dumbed down core is getting out of hand, level means absolutely nothing, all hexes are functionally the same height.

>>97862005
"The worst enemy of a Marik is a Marik. Glory to Marik!"

>>97862018
Pretending to be a retard is a shit sort of hobby and you should try playing Battletech instead.

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>>97862005
The WoB vs ComStar/the Com Guard is the most iconic part of all Battletech to me due to being introduced to BT with this and the ComStar sourcebook when I was young.