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I want to make a Word of Blake unit for my first unit bigger than a merc lance. At least a company size. What unit should I go for?
So what are quintessential /btg/ approved mechs?Dragon I would presume obviously.Whitworth?Spider?Rakshasa?
>>97897826Jack(Off)rabbit
HONOR THE DRAGON!
>>97897883The dragon is gay
>>97897883Glory to the Commonwealth
>>9789782452nd Shadow Division. They're based kino kingshit and their colour scheme mogs the other WoB schemes
Which era is the most fun for you?
-4P
>>97898277Whatever really takes my fancy. Quite like Star League and Reunification War eras but been trying some FedCom Civil War IS only mainly with melee mechs for shits and giggles and turned out to be surprisingly fun.>>978983684J and 4G?
>>97898368Woof, the CGL looks fucking melted next to the print.
>>97897826Whitworth
>>97896211>>97897195>>97896668Protomechs are life. Protomechs are love.
>>97898368So CGL banning prints is like an ugly girl refusing to invite a pretty girl to her birthday party?
>PGI fires a bunch of staff including flyingdebris>Slowly their models start to get better
>>97898631Claws and gun cowl added but otherwise looks exactly like before?Huge fan of pgi prints but the claws here are an edgy hat on a hat.
>the awesome is a dedicated ppc platform>it doesnt ppc better than anything else
>>97898686>3 ppcs at nearly heat neutral isn't better
>>97898702No, since you can do that with any mech. The Awesome doesn't even get a range or heat sinking bonus. Not even a +1 to damage or accuracy.
>>97898725>you can fire 17 ppcs over the course of 6 turns with barely any penalties with any mech
>>97898725Name all the mechs that boat 3x PPC's or more anon. We can wait.
What was the most costly and bloody ground war in BT? I'm guessing either the SLDF's retaking of Terra of Terra or the battle of Terra between Stone's Coalition and the WoB at the end of Operation SCOUR.
>>97898101You spelled Opacus Venatori wrong.52 is hipster choice when everyone else is in white, gray and black.
I did a slightly more elaborate method of laser jeweling on this Griffin IIC, and damn do I like it.
>>97897833
>>97898774Supposedly 25 also used other colors, but they also did things like deploy Lances and Stars so that people would be confused about who exactly just landed and started shooting at them.
>>97898686It's an assault mech designed around shooting a bunch of PPCs at things, that's what a dedicated PPC platform is.Customizing mechs is not as easy, cheap and risk free as it is in the video games. Converting something that isn't already carrying any PPCs into something that carries a bunch of them is asking for disaster and you're usually just better off buying something that comes with PPCs.>>97898742Annihilator, thug, titan, marauder IIC, warhawk, blood kite, hellstar, marauder II and the lament.
>>97898742NtA but first thing that comes to my mind is Lament(3c-3r) cuz I was looking at it yesterday.
>>97898774>Opacus VenatoriThey're a part of the 52nd, loosely, and the TRULY kino thing to do is a have a few Venatori mechs in among your 52nd. They're assassins striking in the midst of battle, or Ascended Domini being placed in command of a 52nd force to eliminate a high value target.
>>97898791Less than 10 out of aaaaaaallll the mechs in the game. You sure showed him. HHHYEP,
>>97898757Kentares IV>>97898791>>97898796Of those listed only the Annihilator can do that with introtech and not all of those are able to fire being heat neutral or close to heat neutral but then that's changing the goal posts which would be a dick move.
>>97898757It's definitely either SLDF invasion or the Coalition's invasion of earth.
>>97898894A lot of the casualties for the SLDF invasion can be attributed to void rather than ground combat.
>>97898875Yeah, Lament is 9heat over it's dissipation. Got user HS thou so you might be able to shoot 3 every other turn.
>>97898875It always makes me laugh that the lore is like "Kentares IV is the worst warcrime ever!" even though the WoB and Society were wiping out whole populations or even scouring entire planets clean of life with nukes and virus weapons and man made plagues and ASTEROID FIRING SUPER WEAPONS lmfao
>>97898631We know what the claws on the old green face are supposed to look like.
>>97898906>It always makes me laugh that the lore is like "Kentares IV is the worst warcrime ever!" even though the WoB and Society were wiping out whole populations or even scouring entire planets clean of life with nukes and virus weapons and man made plagues and ASTEROID FIRING SUPER WEAPONS lmfaoBT writers don't know their own lore. Shocker. I am truly surprised by this fact.
>>97898906Kentares IV was a blip in the radar casualty-wise compared to the many, many, other atrocities of the First Succession War, when humanity came close to nuking itself back to stone age and bombing worlds from the orbit until the nightside glowed in the dark was standard procedure. It's only really noteworthy due to the way it was carried out. Ordering the entire population of the planet to be literally put to the sword is much more visceral than somebody in the orbit pushing a button to delete a civilization. In the latter the casualties are abstract, reduced to statistics on a spreadsheet. The people committing the act will never have to look their victims in the eye when the hell comes down.
>>97898906It's sort of like how the chinese kvetch way more over the nanking massacres than the japanese do about the nukes even though both events killed about as many people.
>>97898906Kentares is nothing compared to the shit the Society, WoB, Clans and a billion other factions in BT have done. It's just retarded writers trying to be dramatic and shocking. "Oh no! They killed people!"Better to be shot in the head than killed with an engineered plague, or trapped on a world being slowly glassed from orbit by nukes.
The only crime about Kentares was the amount of arms that got tired Combine side.
>>97898757The 3151 Battle of Terra, if one includes the IlClan Trial which ended said battle.Basically every last military member of Clans Wolf and Jade Falcon plus the Stone's RAF died in that battle.
>>97899091>Basically every last military member of Clans Wolf and Jade Falcon plus the Stone's RAF died in that battle.What? That's just straight up wrong roflThe Falcons and Wolves lost most of the soldiers who were ON TERRA, not spread across the galaxy. The RAF didn't get wiped out, fuck a ton of Ares pilots and such ended up working WITH the Wolves against the Falcons.Where did you get your info lol
Is 'warriors from multiple clans forming up a task force star for a joint mission' thing something that never ever happens?
What's next after IlKhan's Eyes Only? I know we've got something set in Drac space, a Hotspot or something, coming out but is that all we know about?
>>97899118Stone's Coalition and the Wars of Reaving.
>>97899131>>97899118
>>97898777Your paint schemes almost made me a Snow Ravens player.
>>97899125The Matter of Pleiades
>>97899182Pleiadeez nuts.
>>97899182
In your opinion, which faction garners the most irrational hatred from fans?
>>97899324Spess Ukraine?>Good luck painting that
>>97899342Capellans with the caveat that they are actually a very interesting and layered faction pre Xin Shen but after they go full Space China they become boring as hell.
>>97899342>>97899394Seconding the CapCon, they haven't done anything worse than anyone else in the setting has in the 800+ years of human space colonization/habitation, but they're painted as untrustworthy psycho shysters as a whole. If anything, Davion glazing has been the primary vehicle for the sort of propaganda taking such hold, all while occluding the MANY perfidious crimes of the FedSuns.
>>97899392I'm actually working on that. Got the yellow done, just need to apply the blue once I settle on a shade and a method of application. Might use The Painted Topher's camo method for it.
>>97898631RIP my beloved Rising Sun. Taken away from Rhonda and now Yen Lo.
>>97899579The old one is still being kept, as far as i could tell
>>97899596https://mw5mercs.com/news/2026/04/184-chaos-reign-new-details>With this DLC, we’ve taking the opportunity to revisit the Yen Lo Wang and update its visual design. The goal is to bring it closer to current visual standards while keeping the identity of the original intact. We’re happy with how this redesign has turned out, and we think players will see it as a clear upgrade.They're updating it completely. Which is a shame.I suppose it matters not, though. I can still paint my mechs with the rising sun on tabletop.
>>97899182Still no new Marian Hegemony lore T_T T_T T_T
>>97899118Clans Wolf, Steel Wolves, Wolf Hunters, Wolf-In-Exile and the Wolf Dragoons team up to fight Stone on Terra at the end of the Dark Age/beginning of the Ilclan era. That's a loada different clans fighting together. FUCK THAT'S A LOT OF YIFFS BOIS
>>97899665If the new book is about periphery there is good chance to see some Martian lore too.
>>97899708Just a sign of how devoid of imagination the lore people are, or relentless furfaggotry at the top pushing it.
>>97899714DON'T FUCKING EDGE ME, ANON!
>>97899118Clan Smoke Jaguar and Clan Nova Cat team up during the Battle of Luthien in the Clan Invasion era.
>>97899118All the other surviving Homeworld Clans, Blood Spirits, Cloud Cobra, Star Adder etc, united in the war to wipe out Clan Steel Viper during their Trial of Annihilation,
>>97899665
Anybody know how to fix the MegaMek(Lab) listing the same mechs three times? Like:>Atlas AS7-D>Atlas AS7-D>Atlas AS7-D>Annihilator ANH-1A>Annihilator ANH-1A>Annihilator ANH-1A>and so on
>>97899916OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH SHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTT BBBBBBBOOOOOOIIIIIIISSSSSSSSS!!!!!!
>>97899118I mean, like Elememtals (CGB)/Summoner (CJF dude)/Timber Wolf (CW)/Nova Cat (CNC)/Viper (CSV) making up a Star for example
>>97899956A few different disgraced Clanners from different clans form a Trinary in Icons of War and go on a rampage throughout Katyusha City while the main character does some spoiler stuff. They were called the Retribution Wraiths, and were comprised of numerous disgraced or washed out Clanners. There were former Clanners from Clans Wolf, Jade Falcon, Ghost Bear, Smoke Jaguar, Steel Viper, Ice Hellion, and even a Clan Burrock member!You're welcome :)
Don't go to Addicks folks. If it ain't Fury and Hammers duking it out on your lawn, it's Highlanders and Wolves, or Swords and Cats, or Raiders and everyone.
What sourcebooks/novels do I need to read to get the story of both Steel Wolves invasions of Northwind?
>>97899755That already happened though.at the battle of Tukayyid, Clan Smoke Jaguar and Clan Nova Cat were ordered to work together. CSJ was so pissed off about it that they refused to coordinate with CNC and ultimately kept getting in each other’s way
>>97900105>That already happened though.So???OP asked if it ever happens. I provided an example. Sit down.
I didn't hate it.
Daily reminder, twelve sarath's fit in a union, having compact, and narrow/low profile quirks.And a turret. Decent armour, great speed/mobility. And one load out is a melee monster.LIGERS for everyone.>the dumbass fwl tards who make it hate it so you can easily 'get' it.
>>97897826Griffin, duh. All the classicsArcher, warhammer, rifleman etc.
>>97900102Are they escorting a mirror?
>>97900102
>>97900281Mirrors being lostech would go a long way to explaining the state of faces in Battletech.
>>97900102A Silence in the HeavensTruth and Shadows
>>97900340ty king
Relationships between the mercs-mercs and mercs-house who fought (and killed) each other in previous contracts; When ending up in a contract together next time, 'Buisiness is buisiness and no hard feelings'? Or 'fuck that assholes'? Not sure Waco holding deep grudge is unusual in BT universe or not
>>97900281Coffin. Funeral procession.
>>97900386Varies by unit/commander. Waco is an extreme end of the spectrum also occupied by people like Bronson's Horde.
Question about the Draconis Combine:What does the combine do with their warrior caste when they don’t have a war to fight? Do they assign them other shit to do? Or just keep them on standby, just in case?Because the DC is weeb-imperial Japan, and during the Edo period Japan had a similar problem: a bunch of samurai with no wars to fight and still being paid in rice despite the adoption of a currency System, resulting in a whole lot of overly pompous and armed bums going through an identity crisis and making that everyone else’s problem.I just wondered, given the centuries of foresight the Combine had, what they do to keep their mechwarriors from doing the same thing when there isn’t a war to fight?
>>97900509Ronin? Hidden Wars?
>>97898780>swiggity swooty, he's coming for that bootyPose
>>97900545So… more or less repeat the exact same mistakes as Edo Japan?
>>97900565No… more like, to protect the combine from its own military, he is expected to always be finding someone for the DCMS to fight. If not overtly as part of some conquest, then they are sent out as, functionally, privateers to cause havoc, basically anywhere else but Combine space. Basically, the warrior caste is never left bored, thus they are always too busy to cause “mischief”.
>>97900509Brutal training. They're the battletech fremen/sardaukar. And when they're not training their asses off constantly, they have pleasure quarters to 'relieve stress'...
>>97900452Very reflective coffin.
>>97900386Waco rangers are just faggot tards.
>>97900509>What does the combine do with their warrior caste when they don’t have a war to fight?They are a state military, so they do state military things. Anti-piracy actions, training rotations, border raids, that sort of thing. In the Star League days we know that skilled mechwarriors were allowed to seek out duels against the Star League forces, so there is probably still a dueling culture (especially post-Clan Invasion I would think.)Don't fall into the trap of thinking that inspiration is determinative.
>>97900743> Don't fall into the trap of thinking that inspiration is determinative.Yeah… but the answer is a bit… bland.>>97900666I mean, given what the name “Waco” brings to mind in the average American, that tracks perfectly.
>>97900817Waco, Texas?Why everyone knows nothing ever happened there.Certainly not the government going full retard.Don't be rediculous.
Were any Bloodnames used exclusively by Clan Wolf-in-Exile? That is, NOT used by Clan Wolf? (I am of course ignoring “Kell.”)
>>97900281That's the Chicago bean. Prized possession, very valuable.
>>97900822You may not like it but that cult had to go.
>>97900480JAIME KILLED MUH BOI
>>97900549Kek
>>97900822> Why everyone knows nothing ever happened there.> Certainly not the government going full retard.> Don't be rediculous.Of course not, silly me….Say, you think the Waco Rangers ever worked with the Ruby Ridge Militia? Just curious…
>>97900980I guess those were assault toddlers ready to overthrow gobermint with nukes.AFAJCD
>>97898505>tfw well never see protos scaled to 28mm scale for running in battlertroops games
>>97901040> AFAJCDDon’t know that acronym.
>>97900980Whoch the government had every opportunity to do, on the many, many times the cult leader was out and about in town, alone, unarmed, they KNEW such details, and they had an active warrant they were sitting on and refused to serve, pointedly several times when they had entire teams of officers and agents doing rolling screens and tails around him.They could have easily nabbed him peaceably, many, many times.
>>97901104Don’t forget the cult invited the police to come onto the property on their own accord. Making a warrant unnecessary.Waco is just one of those rare situations where it doesn’t matter if you’re pro-government, anti-government, or something else entirely, every American pretty much agrees that was a massive, tragic, cluster-fuckup that should’ve gotten everyone involved fired…
>finish painting yen lo Wang>New design shown off two days laterI dunno if I woulda done that harder paint scheme but I'm just frustrated about the timing in general lol.
>>97901125Or prosecuted jailed AND fired. Utterly criminal negligence and incompetence.If you or I had gone and done something only half as bad, death row would await us.
Been awhile since I read any battletech novels and I'm also unfamiliar with the Ilclan era. What are some recommended novels to get me back in to the setting?
>>97901140Yen lo Wang hasn't got the lasers iirc, he's rocking just a fuckhueg autocannon, no? An ac20?
>>97901145Well, they decided that there's a statute of limitation on unconstitutional police actions. Apparently. And hey look at that, the feds can and have decided to not even start investigating their own fuckups until after that time limit is up. What a funny coincidence.
Damn it finally got in stock
>>97901151It still has a couple lasers, and the claw is actually a claw-shaped hatchet.
>>97901140You've got the true Yen-Lo so I wouldn't worry about it. A good paint job, if a lil bit dark.
Hey, if you were to guess which house these mechs belonged to (the green ones), which would you say?100% are not mercs.
>>97901268Green and gold is classic capellan colors, no?
>>97901219Kinda miffed that it's three osts and a night sky instead of a full set of four
>>97901319Probably. Makes the most sense…Though, I’d also expect FedSuns to be all yellows and tans for some reason, but instead their most iconic pattern is blue with a red&white racing stripe, so what do I know.
>>97899175They’ve got some kickass mechs and some cool paint jobs, but the Ravens don’t see a lot of action for a good chunk of the timeline. Kinda hard to make them fit into campaigns and such unless you’re playing ilClan.
>>97901517fingers crossed for the Aces box 4
>>97901365It's Scarabus
>>97901551Close enough, point still stands
>>97901546Personally don’t know if I’ll spring for that or not. I print just about everything these and most of the Raven mechs have some great sculpts out there by now. Might just get it for the maps and scenarios and such though.
>>97901151The YLW drops the LRMs, the CN-9AH drops the lasers instead.
>>97901568I want at least one of every aces boxes for the decks. Fuck the minis.
>>97901248Yea i brightened it up a bit after taking the picture plus the lighting didnt help (didnt do the /tg/ classic of taking pics of minis in an empty fridge)
>>97901799>I like ASDisgusting sodomite degen.
>>97901976suck all the dicks, loser, i like having big forces on the table, lots of terrains.
>>97900817Waco Rangers were published in the Mercenary's Handbook in 1987. The Branch Davidians were attacked by the ATF in 1993.
>>97898101>>97898774What about units that aren't Manei Domini? They're cool but I'll never be able to actually use them on the table.
>>97899714>Martian loreGood, everything outside Earth is ignored way too much
>>97901268The Pillager itself suggests the lance is most likely Capellan.
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Barring the Comstar, was the Bounty Hunter the only one who is known to havr (openly) used any kind of lostech pre-3039?
>>97902340that's not the cat pawprints
mewawwiow~ miaauu~!uwu7
>>97901976Trying Too Hard
>>97902342Lostech was actually, from a standpoint of being present, extant across the Sphere even right up to Helm; it was just being rationed extremely hard by only the most elite and well heeled forces. It wasn't worth risking outside of the most crucial operations.Only people like the Bounty Hunter would use it regularly because they needed the edge it provided and they had means enough to keep it working or replaced. Average Joe Mechwarrior on the other hand was lucky to find some of it running in salvage and either ran it into the ground chasing their next payday or sold it to the previously mentioned forces and researchers who'd pay them more for it than they'd ever make from using it.This is at least what my impressions have been from reading 3rd Succ stuff.
gib plastic Gestalt thkz
>>97902087Outside the Shadow Divisions all WoB divisions use the standard Comstar white colorscheme, so it doesn't really matter which one you paint them as unless you actually intend to do unit symbols on all the mechs.IIRC 3rd division were the absolute madlads led by the guy who killed three Elementals while armed only with a vibroknife and an unshakable faith in Blake, who were wiped out nearly to a man trying a decapitation strike against the Coalition leadership on Hesperus, only to rebuild and combat-drop in the middle of the battle of Dieron, doing their best impression of the battle of Monte Cassino while holding Fortress Dieron with a couple of Protectorate Militia divisions against three Clan galaxies and a regiment of Dieron Regulars, inflicting 10 to 1 casualty rate on the attackers and somehow managing to get their survivors off the planet and join the WoB assets that fled the Inner Sphere at the end of the Jihad.
>>979024303rd Division didn't hear no bell.
Did someone say Blake?White is hard even with cheating methods.
>>97902449Based Blakist
>>97902449you never paint 'white' you always paint off whites. yellow whites, grey whites, etc. anything except white white.
>>97902481The only actual white there is the highest highlights, but light grey is also kind of difficult. I had a lot of touch ups of areas that were too dark after layering up from a lightish mid-grey.
>>97902485another look I have seen is the gunpla 'white' where you paint up in a yellow or bone white, and then you actually use a marker to draw in the lines, the recesses.hell some gunpla kits come in coloured plastic so you never even have to paint the white, and you can just choose to draw in the lines.
>>97902491I've done it on a different paintjob, I just primed it in a slight off-white and then pinwashed the panel lines and used a titanium hwhite to do edge highlights. It came out okay, but was mostly carried by not being an entirely white model.
>>97902505this just gets back to my 'cgl should stop being assfucking retards and just get bandai namco to make their minis already, like any sane company would' point. they would do SOOOOOO much better jobs of it.
>>97901073 All feds are jewish cum dumps
>>97901984Trying too hard
>>97901268If those brown panels were gold, they could be Shin Legion, who (depending on when on the timeline) were either working for the Capellans or working for the Dracs
>>97901976t. a grognard gooning while waiting for Classic Aces
>>97898780needs a Jessica Rabbit Dervish
>>97902589trying too hard
>>97902650The Gunslinger is one intimidating ‘Mech. I currently have one on deck for my 40th Shadow Division project.
>>97902414One day, brother.
>>97902667It's a handsome lad that packs serious punch, I've got one in my 8th Sword of Light's command lance.
>>97902449The Word has our faithful Waiting in every state
>>97902653Kek we have broken the contrarian-anon.
>>97902675The boatfaceman.
>>97900313I do hate how old art is being digitally redone using the new shimmy designs.
>>97902681>yfw faggot Blakists ruined a perfectly good setting faction
>>97902699We get it, contrarian-anon>old deific, new satanicGet a new fucking line, its getting old. You're boring.
>>97902699
Alright lads, I am working on a scenario based on Devlin’s Stone’s Coalition retaking Hesperus II from the Word in 3074. Writing the background for the CE Delta Galaxy Star characters and I want the Star Commander to have fought a Trial against their CW-I-E allies a few months before while the Coalition was defending Skye. The whole idea is that allowing the Trial to even happen was part of a plan by Delta’s Warden-leaning CO Katys Kerensky to ease tensions between CW and CW-I-E during the campaign and also deradicalize some of the stauncher Crusaders in her own Galaxy (primarily XO Dirk Radick). What kind of Trial should it be?>>97902666Diabolical Numbers, but I love a Wolfhound, And I love killing a Wolfhound from time to time. Last weekend my buddy hosted a scenario for us based on the War of 3039. Among other strange sights, the Fedrats encountered an odd Dragon sporting a PPC?? What in the world??The prototype Grand Dragon was chasing down a Centurion and a Wolfhound (WLF-1), managing to first knockout the latter’s LL and then disable it. But the damn Wolfhound got a lucky shot in return, punching through the Grand Dragon’s LT armor into the LRM 10 ammo. CASE contained the damage but the DRG-5K has that fat CL engine hanging over into the LT and RT.>>97902675In the Level II I’m cooking up, the GUN-ERD1 is the commander’s ride. Her special rule gives her a -1 mod to hit on any enemies her subordinates Adepts have already hit during the same Weapons Attack Phase.>>97902681Nice work on your Shadow Div, anon! Which one is it?
>>97902699The new designs are objectively better than the shitty boomer art, so remaking the old art with the new designs is an objective improvement. The sooner everything made before 2016 is replaced the sooner Battletech can actually get good for once.
>>97902430So what kind of units should I put in a 3rd Division company?>>97902449why is white hard
>>97902744>Writing the background for the CE Delta Galaxy Star characters and I want the Star Commander to have fought a Trial against their CW-I-E allies a few months before while the Coalition was defending Skye. The whole idea is that allowing the Trial to even happen was part of a plan by Delta’s Warden-leaning CO Katys Kerensky to ease tensions between CW and CW-I-E during the campaign and also deradicalize some of the stauncher Crusaders in her own Galaxy (primarily XO Dirk Radick). What kind of Trial should it be?This doesn't make any sense and is also extremely gay
>>97902768https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRbQuKOt8xI
>97902713Havnt you got another mono lance to be smearing in excreme-sorry, nuln oil?>>979027501, they vary from okay to awful. I find a lot of the modern designs are very samey and seem to have done away with a lot of iconic or identifiable features. Bonus points for the inclusion of panel lines and mounting divots that really should not be visible at this scale, and that if scaled up would be meters wide/across. There is a loss of progression across the eras, or a feel that different companies in different time periods made different chassis.And as for the art, by all means use née designs in the new stuff but imo the old stuff should be left alone.>>97902717Case and point, there was no need to digitally redo this classic, especially as the hand-painted original had soul to it that the digital rehash lacks.
>>97902772It makes perfect sense. Idc about the gay part.
So I'm a beginner and I bought the beginner box that came with 2 mechs. I love mechs and wargaming but idk if I should get into regular battletech or Alpha Strike? Is one more popular than the other?
>>97902788Classic. AS loses most if the nuance and the feeling of commanding mechs
>>97902796Can you still havenbuildings and terrain in classic?
>>97902779The old stuff should be banned and the people who think it was ever acceptable should be driven out of the game.
>>97902798For sure. You can also play on flat mats (sheets of paper or neoprene) that have all the terrain printed in them. There are terrain rules in bot games, of course. Alpha Strike is more of a fun miniatures game, whereas Classic is more of a simulation it’s board game.
>>97902819Is painting your miniatures in battletech required? I know warhammer has a huge stigma against them being unpainted. Is it pretty laid back on that aspect?
>>97902832It’s not a big deal at all. You don’t even really need miniatures for BattleTech. The box sets even come with cardboard standees. All you need is some token that can indicate which ‘Mech is represented and which hex side it’s facing, There is even a common cliche about “play with anything, even bottle caps” when it comes to this question.As a miniatures game, Alpha Strike is a little different and attracts more players who like to put together speckles of scenery and painted ‘Mechs. But there’s not really the kind of shaming about gray minis you find among GW devotees.
>>97902837*spectacles, not “speckles” lmao
Is there any downside of installing TSM on a mech? Both fluff and crunchwise. I mean yeah heat management is annoying but I don't think it weighs or anything
>>97902832You don't have to paint them. It is not required by the rules, and you can play with anything which fits inside the hex as long as it's front facing is clearly marked. With that said, you should have enough self-respect and respect for your opponent's experience to field painted miniatures whenever possible. Any game is better than no game, and if you are somewhere where you can't have miniatures for whatever reason for whatever reason (we used 5.56mm casings in Afghanistan), then that's fine. But if you are planning to show up at a game store and insist to use some bottle caps and scraps of paper, then you're being a cheap cunt who doesn't care about your opponent's enjoyment and you shouldn't be part of the community.
>>97902852... do you know what "critical slots" are, anon?
Has anyone tried this on battletech minis? https://youtu.be/EbaDHP4yaho?si=4Yi7i26QiMUmvNAv
>>97902874Manmade horrors beyond comprehension
>>97902927My main objection to this is that the paints are too thick. Thin them for christ sake!
>>97902987That and those colours are ugly. >>97902927 these colours are so garish they hurt to look at.
>>97902832While there is no official rules requiring painting them, or even using them, I think it's a nice courtesy to at least give them a solid color and dip/tone so they're not all just bare plastic on the table. It makes it easier for you and opponents to keep track of who's who.
>>97902832I feel like I see more unpainted minis with gen x and older millennialsMight be a generational divideOr just something local
>>97902927>>97902987It's a fine ice cream palor formation, but the paints really need to be thinned and the details inked or otherwise highlighted.
>>97903150> Might be a generational divideDoubtful, as I’m a millennial and I refuse to use a mech UNTIL I’ve painted it.> Or just something localPossibly, but considering how prevalent “shameful grey” seems to be within the 40k community, I’d sooner suspect it to be a sign of unmanaged autism. >>97902987>>97903202Or something, but yeah the minis almost look like they’re made of play-dough the paint is so thick. Which I don’t know exactly how that was managed, since I don’t exactly thin my paints either, but I don’t usually get that effect. I mean, maybe just not put so many goddamn layers down if you aren’t thinning them?
>>97903278unpainted minis are cringe. just use standees or make ur own minis out of clay >>97902927this does not spark joy
>>97901984But you're already sucking all the dicks
Like with food, I assume that if you need your mercenary group to have uniforms, especially dress uniforms if you want to impress certain clients (particularly those acting on behalf of a Great House), hiring hall worlds also have factories for making uniforms and tailors that cater to mercenary groups who can afford to have dress uniforms?
>>97903314Hey faggot.Kill yourself.
>>97902744>What kind of Trial should it be?Trial of Grievance
>>97903348>also have factories for making uniformsWe know there's a Boots And Nothing But Boots World, but I don't think uniform-making is ever directly addressed in setting except for the Clans (they got a caste for that). They don't even try and pull a Falkenberg's Legion and have uniforms be made by the troops' spouses as an explanation.
>>97903356
>>97903374I think it has to be. Nothing else makes much sense (“legally”).Any ideas about what it should be over?
So megamek let's you load semi guided lrms into clan launchers. When if ever do the clans copy SG lrms tech? Or is this to represent IS forces using clantech launchers?
>>97903439It's more that there's nothing stopping you from theoretically doing so per the rules.
>>97903439I find it endlessly amusing that the 'technologically advanced' clans that go hard for their military have worse and fewer options in terms of weaponry, mech equipment, and actual high tech options.Like the IS has like 8 kinds of armor including for niche cases, 15 kinds of ammunition for every reality on every gun or missile, ecm, tags, melee weapons, command consoles, multiple kinds of c3 a million edge case technologies like tsm etc.And then you have the clans - what if we made our weapons hotter and fire farther despite the fact that most mechs can blitz down the center line and be in medium range turn 1 anyway? Not even a good battlefield innovation baka.
>>97903645> what if we made our weapons hotter and fire fartherTrust me, the Clan ER lasers are still significantly cooler, as in “generates less heat”, than Inner Sphere ER lasers. It’s actually kinda funny, many mech variants that came about as a result of the Helm memory core would often perform worse than the earlier Succession Wars shitboxes because of how much poorer their heat management had gotten.
>>97903645Hotter lasers is a non-issue when all of your mechs pack 10+ DHS into the engine. Plus almost everything from the clans is faster than comparable IS mechs and can maintain distance easier where they can range-bot the enemy to death with ease. Obviously just strapping a clan ER Large laser onto your succ wars shitbox is a waste because you can’t stop the enemy from running you down because you can’t stay away for long enough and can’t fire the gun at-will. But clan mechs don’t have those problems.
>>97903675Clan Er mediums and larges generate the same heat as the IS ones.The point was that the main thing the clans have is range but the game encourages short range play and extended rules put emphasis on numbers while the clans also lack the technology to capitalize on their range via indirect fire, movement blocking, buffs to focus fire, or crowd control effects.Once the game moved away from matches via tonnage you'd expect clans to get the fancy tech to compensate for the numbers disadvantage and game's systemic push for close quarters combat but the IS actually get most of that and earlier.This is funny because it makes the guys with advanced tech look like idiots beyond the Zellbrigen honor system and formation rules that most people aren't dumb enough to bother using.
>>97903710The main thing Clans have is cLPLs, which can snipe you from across the typical map and turn into basically autohit weapons when you finally close the distance. Theoretically IS having the numbers advantage would give them an edge, but in practice most games still have a lance or star on each side, so you're not really seeing an IS company against a Clan star, but an IS assault lance against a Clan medium star. And the Clans have more firepower and aren't even that much more fragile since IS mechs need the extremely vulnerable XL engine to get anywhere close to Clan firepower. And they can spend multiple turns sniping at the IS mechs with cLPLs before they get into their effective range.
>>97903645>I find it endlessly amusing that the 'technologically advanced' clans that go hard for their military have worse and fewer options in terms of weaponry, mech equipment, and actual high tech options.Most of that IS tech is extremely situational, easily countered, or just plain boondoggles. C3 is great until it gets completely shut down by one mech with ECM and you realize it increases the BV of your lance by 25%, most of the specialist armor is good against one type of weapon while worse than standard armor against the rest, etc.Meanwhile the Clans don't really need a ton of specialized gear when they have the cERPPC (relatively light long-range headcapper that doesn't need ammo) and the cLPL (the do-everything weapon).
>>97903749>the clans have a much smaller population and resource pool>still ahead of the IS by leaps and bounds despite over 100 years of the IS messing with clan tech>the clans continue to just win at everything while the IS is top busy fighting each other for no real reason
>>97903729>And the Clans have more firepower and aren't even that much more fragileAn IS assault mech is significantly more durable than a clan medium. The XL thing is massively overblown. You still have to chew through the armor and destroy the torso for the IS XL to matter, you act as though it's guaranteed. And a clan mech that gets a side torso blown is likely only surviving for a additional turn, if it isn't immediately rendered combat ineffective. And that only applies if you're mindlessly mashing mechs together, forced withdrawal rules shift the balance pretty significantly. >The main thing Clans have is cLPLsNot all clan mechs mount clpls. Most mechs don't, so unless you're deliberately spamming them it's not as big a deal as you make out.
>>97903710>Once the game moved away from matches via tonnage you'd expect clans to get the fancy tech to compensate for the numbers disadvantage and game's systemic push for close quarters combatI'd argue that's what ATMs and heavy lasers are, both those start showing up on mechs pretty frequently, and heavily encourage brawling
>>97903278>I’m a millennialI was mostly thinking of the ones in their mid 40s>I’d sooner suspect it to be a sign of unmanaged autism. I feel like the people with Battletech as their special interest would care a lot about having minis painted
>>97902856So other than taking up critical slots, there is no reason not to shove TSM in on all mechs?
>>97903858Expensive.
>>97903846> would care a lot about having minis paintedI think that’s usually the problem. They’re so fixated on needing to get it “perfect” right from the start that they either never start, or take an unreasonably long time to get even one done (at least when compared to the final product). Plus you get the ones who both take too long to get any work done and have over-committed to other hobbies as well, so the chances that they’ll actually get those other models done so they can start working on their mechs before they die of old age becomes increasingly less likely.
>>97903380>Boots And Nothing But Boots WorldFirst I heard of such a world. I assume that's not its actual name?
>>97903380>>97903924>except for the Clans (they got a caste for that)That reminds me, when Wolf's Dragoons was first created, were there non-Warriors (Laborers, Merchants, Technicians, and Scientists) that were also marshaled for what originally a reconnaissance mission to ascertain if the Clans can successfully invade the Inner Sphere?
>>97903949I mean, yes.But the mission wasn’t to ascertain if the clans could be able to invade the inner sphere (they already assumed they could), it was to determine if it was even worth the effort.
>>97903949There were, yes. A Mercenary company needs a large support structure, so they had a wide swathe of the castes.
>>97903710The Clan ERMed is a Llas-equivalent though.
>>97903924>First I heard of such a world. I assume that's not its actual name?Comstock
If the FedSuns are a mix of English and French cultural traditions and influences. Then, I wonder how deep those English roots go? like if someone told Davion that the Capellans discovered a new species of tea that they refuse to share, would his response be “that’s nice, why should I care?” Or “PREPARE TO BE COLONIZED!”?
>>97903356I had hoped that flabby freak had finally seen itself in a mirror and killed itself. Too much to hope for I guess but atleast it's no longer posting its deformed body.
>>97904003Thanks. Source on this? I may have to fill the Sarna.net page on Comstock (https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Comstock) with this.
>>97904003>Space Romans make bitchen shoesKino
>>97904022>I had hoped that flabby freak had finally seen itself in a mirror and killed itself. Too much to hope for I guess but atleast it's no longer posting its deformed body.???wut
>>97904041Heed not the schizoposters
By the way, House Liao is the one known for having a history of schizophrenia and dementia? Or am I confusing it with a different house.I know one Kurita was developing dementia going into the 2nd succession war, but he seemed like a one-off for house Kurita.
>>97904006Just call them the space Normans. Makes more sense.
Has anyone ever painted up a Stone's Coalition force? It sounds like a pretty kino project. Hell's Horses Clan Vehicles and ProtoMechsGhost Bear Clan Mechs and BADraconis Combine Inner Sphere Vehicles and BAComStar inner Sphere Mechs
>>97903835ATMs are a decent example that are fairly competitive with IS MMLs in 1v1 scenarios. They fall apart when you realize that mmls get like 15 ammo types and can fire indirectly or ignore movement modifiers with tag. But at least they match what I'd expect from Clanners.Heavy lasers give a penalty to hit which I actually think is terrible. Clanners are supposed to be higher skill than IS boys but if they're eating a penalty to hit and a points increase - why even bother half the time? If the clan mechs that mount them are dirt cheap - ie IS mech costs maybe. There are a few decent HL mechs but most just look like a waste of a rec sheet to me for the same reason people argue pulse lasers are undercosted.
>>97904069Every Liao is insane. Some of them are less insane than others.
>>97904111improved heavy lasers have no accuracy penalty
>>97904006The FedSuns are space Camelot, not space British empire. The FedSuns are far too self-righteous to do even half the shit the British Empire did
>>97904117Yeah, the Liaos reliably produce mentally disturbed descendants. All other houses only get one of those every five or six generations or so.Then again, the Liaos probably also are the one ruling family that has not been replaced by a cadet line assuming the main family name.
>>97904181The Fedsuns are ridiculously imperialistic - they claim systems for the heck of it and they liberally use the Skid Row strategy of border defense.Their ruling house is even less concerned with the well-being of their nation than the US ruling class, they tank their economy for war on the regular like they got beef with Fascist Italy's Abyssinia campaign.
>>97904111I'm not really arguing that they're good, I think heavy and imp. heavy lasers are pretty much inferior to ERs. I'm just pointing out that you do see a shift in clan tech that favors in-close engagements. HAGs arguably fall into this category as well, with their cluster bonus at short range, encouraging closing in rather than skirmishing at 15+ hexes.
>>97904111You should look at the Vulture Mk IV D. Improved Heavy Lasers, ATMs with HE ammo, and Ferro Lamellor coupled with speed make for an extremely effective brawler.
>>97904201Taurian hands wrote this.
>>97904201Lyran Commonwealth has more in common with the British Empire than FedSuns do. He's right that Space Camelot is a better analogy for FedSuns.
>>97904270The Vulture Mk IV fucks, even the “bad” ones are perfectly functional clan trooper mechs. The D is just scary though, get that thing the fuck away from me.
>>97904041>>97904055Bottom anon may no longer use his name, but his posting style is very distinct. If you had been here late as last autumn you would know.
>>97904283>>97904307The area the Fedsuns call the Outback would be the near periphery to every other house, and they really don't give a single shit about any of it other than getting to color that part of the space map yellow. When part of it broke off, just being able to have any amount of economic direction from a government immediately improved the economy of the entire area, including the parts that were still fedsun. That part only broke off because New Avalon hadn't communicated with them at all for years and they were sick of being in a holding pattern while pirates ran rampant.At least after that, the central government was able to pretend it cared about the region so secessionist ideas wouldn't spread. But for most of their history, the Outback would have been better off as periphery.
>>97904383#RopeAllVaguePosters
>>97904396Check the archive. Go there and search "Bottom Anon". You'll (unfortunately) see and be able to recognise him pretty quickly.He's got an identifiable posting style along with nuln and manic, the other two thread plagues.
>>97904431>archivefag
Natural Selection has been added to Audiobook formal. It'll be uploaded sometime later on today after I get done dealing with the Strixhaven pre-release.
>>97904099Would be fun to paint, at least. Plus there's some fun /yourdudes/ potential there.
>>97904555Trips witnessed, Blake looks fondly upon your good works
>>97904385Still sounds like something a Taurian would say.Those people have the most irrational hatred for the FedSuns. I don’t even think the Cappellans or Combine hate the FedSuns as much as the Taurians.Seriously, if the Taurian Concordat were invaded by literal aliens from outer space, they’d still find a way to blame it on the FedSuns.
>>97904639>irrational hatredLorelet
>>97904639>Taurian hatred>IrrationalI don't think you know what that word actually means.
>>97904639The Outback is the only place in the IS where planets still on the map have literally zero government. The economic activity of many worlds there is nearly zero. No jobs or schools, subsidence farming only, one jumpship per year kind of places. They're not even worth raiding because there's nothing there but uneducated and unskilled rural nobodies and slowly decaying basic infrastructure that was installed 500 years ago.
>>97904201Now explain how the FedSuns are able to win so much without throwing up your hands and declaring writer fiat Something they're doing works.
>>97902407It was called Lostech and not ExTech for a reason.
Swamp battle! House Davion vs GDL!
IMO the Taurians have good reasons to hate the FedSun, but their paranoia and reactions are irrationally over the top.Also, dunno why they don't hate the CapCon as much as the FedSun
>>97904099This could look really cool or really shit depending on how it's done.
>>97904740Wow, they won against the faction running mook mechs.Congrats for kicking the three-legged Chihuahua while strangling the Pug.
>>97904836Are you suggesting that the Draconis Combine runs “mooks”?Are you daring to insult the dragon?
>>97904836Okay. I'm not agreeing that they're fighting cripples, but what makes you see the FedSuns as a mastiff fighting chihuahuas and pugs?How did the FedSuns develop a military this powerful?
>>97904847I’m telling you, this feels like they have an irrational hate-boner for FedSuns. They just don’t want to admit it.
>>97904836>Not honoring the Dragon.Shamefur dispray
Late SW Dracs: So far I got the Jenner, Panther, Dragon, Catapult K2, Hatamoto-Chi and the Mauler; Any other iconic Drac mechs in this period I should include?
>>97904899Panther
>>97904899Charger
>>97904899HUNCHBACK
>>97904899They love their Hunchbacks, Wolverines, and Chargers. They also get some ComStar goodies in 3039 like the Thug, Flashman, and Crocket.
>>97904899Hermes III
>>97904022Im not fat wtf
>>97904111It's really odd that you are rating the ability to have shit like thunder-vibrabomb higher than doing more damage at higher ranges while weighing less.
>>9790512240k general is down the hallway
>>97905122>>97905129The freak has escaped containment. Sound the alarm.
>>97905017>>97904899don't forget the Lancelot
Raptors are cool.
>>97905190I really miss Dark Age sometimes
I really don’t get the idea of the police-Urbanmech. I mean, generally unless the mech is specifically kitted out with anti-personnel weaponry, they typically suck at dealing with guys on foot. And I never see the urbanmech armed with flamethrowers, machine guns, or pulse lasers. Which just makes me think that the police have these, and it’s not just for show, then it’s for the explicit purpose of dealing with criminals with Battlemechs. To that I have to ask: “how out of control is organized crime in the Inner Sphere that random street thugs can get their hands on advanced military hardware with such frequency that the local PD feels having a task force explicitly for such situations is an appropriate use of resources?” And follow-up question: “I thought mechs were supposed to be largely “rare” machines? How can they be both rare enough that some planets might’ve never seen a mech, but prevalent enough that criminal elements can acquire them with enough frequency that the local PD felt it necessary to get mechs of their own?”What the heck is going on in the IS?
>>97905217nigga ain't no one reading dat
>>97905217Does a typical SWAT unit spend a lot of time fighting people with the same level of equipment as them?Are real world police armored vehicles for fighting criminal armored vehicles, or are they for decisively winning against people that definitely don't have anti-armor weapons?
>>97905217I mean the K9 is suppose to be a Machine gun Boat, plus Industrial Mechs are a thing.
>>97905196Same :(
>>97905217Urbanmech has BAR10 armor and instantly outclasses a stolen industrialmech>but the industrialmech is faster than the urbanmechdo you think the core purpose of the police is anything more noble than protecting the property of the elite? A 2/3 mech is perfectly fine for a defensive role like this.
>>97905268You’re kinda proving my point. SWAT doesn’t have weaponry geared to deal with a near-peer opponent.But these police-urbies sure are.
>>97905360The police urbies are geared to overwhelmingly put down industrialmech technicals and the like. When Killdozers are a regular part of the threat environment, you want military gear.
>>97905160You're totally right I did fuck.
>>97905272According to Sarna, the K9 is outfitted with an UAC5, a large laser, and 2 small lasers. None of which are exactly ideal for, say, riot-control, or combating entrenched criminals. But pretty good for fighting light and medium mechs.
>>97905375> When Killdozers are a regular part of the threat environment, you want military gear.Again, that’s my point!How fucked up has the inner sphere gotten that Killdozers are something to be expected and not a one-off anomaly?
>>97905405Very. Try reading the lore, shit's fucked and space feudalism doesn't help.
>>97905217The rarity of mechs depends entirely on what era you're in and the budget for capital world government institutions is always very high. There are places that buy these things for their fire departments near big factories instead of just a truck and some hazmat suits.
Found out that the reason my mother took home all of the Battletech boxes I was going to throw out was not just that they're sturdy boxes, but that they are the perfect size for holding her tax papers.This seems appropriate.
>>97905405>How fucked up has the inner sphere gottenbrother we are in a setting where mercenaries are a celebrated professional class, and signing up to kill people is seen as a fantastic way to raise your lot in life it's safe to say that capital-labor relations are awful and it's more likely that you'll do stochastic terrorism than attempt collective bargaining
>>97905510Labor relations is the bread and butter of small time mercenaries.
>>97905530too true
>>97905432> and space feudalism doesn't help.I mean, yeah… there’s a reason feudalism is no longer used as a model of government anymore.>>97905510-also very true…Kinda Surprised then that the Pinkertons haven’t made a reappearance as a mercenary company.
>>97903696CERLLs are objective upgrades over standard PPCs. Any SuckWars shitbox with PPCs can swap every one of those out for CERLLs and more than make up the difference in heat with single sinks, leaving them objectively stronger at every range. The story simply isn't the same as ISERLLs.
On many worlds there is a legitimate business interest in maintaining a highly militarized guard force intended to supplement the local militia. This makes it easy for "legitimate businessmen" to get their hands on things like APCs and light tanks.
>>97905530It's also their bane. My donut steel mercs include three pilots who are Partners because they owned their own mechs and contributed them to the company, plus a fourth who was hired to pilot a mech they salvaged and one full time mechtech. The partners get a say in the company decisions, but they only get paid dividends wheb the company posts a profit, while the two employees draw a monthly salary, even if the company is dipping into the red. Causes tension among them, plus the jobbing astechs they have to hire locally. >>97905607Is "strange women lying in depth 1 water distributing battlemechs" a good basis for a system of government?
>>97905682You can also just spin off a mercenary company. It's easy and removes legal liability. Tell your corporate security captain or local down on his luck mechwarrior that if they start a company you'll give them seed money and as many garrison contracts as they can drink and bada bing bada boom, you've got yourself a mercenary with whatever paperwork Quickscell pretends you need to buy their products.
"Private equity bought a merc company, stripped it of half its assets, and transferred a bunch of debts to it before spinning it off" is a great way to reset the fortunes of a merc company that gets too big and saddle them with obligations so they can keep feeling like underdogs despite succeeding in previous stories.
>>97905709> "strange women lying in depth 1 water distributing battlemechs" 1: it wasn’t a “strange woman”! It was obviously a fairy.2: are you going to question the guy in the 15-meter-tall war-robot, and followed by a dozen more men in giant war robots, where he got it?
>>97905726Don't forget, have them jack their prices up 3-5x the market rate while cutting salaries.
>>97905709>Is "strange women lying in depth 1 water distributing battlemechs" a good basis for a system of government?She's completely submerged in the Magical Death Acid!
>>97906001It’s not “death acid”….It’s just that by the 30th century most military training doesn’t include swimming lessons anymore and most people never bother to learn on their own.God knows why.
>>97906022Say it with meICE SHIPMENTSI assume the "water" on most planets is actually acid if we need to import drinking water to so many different planets
>>97906038That’s a gross oversimplification of a lot of different things that were going on during the “Ad Astra” period leading up to the age of war
>>97904555Kay, its been uploaded into the respectable trove.
>>97905217idk how accurate or applicable this is but the yakuza are mentioned as having a specific variant of the von luckner on a sarna page which I imagine could probably pose a threat to lots of other vehicles, and probably even urbanmechs easily, so maybe its not even meant for mechs but just combat vehiclesalso pirate mechs exist
>>97906191> also pirate mechs existTo be fair, pirates are normally outside the domain of the local police. That’s normally a coast Guard (aka military) problem.But the other point is a valid one.
>>97905268Imagine these walking around in Police colors and then have the police lights on the backpack.
>>97906191The Yakuza openly owned an entire battlemech factory at one point, which they purchased from LAW. But LAW is the most mega of all drac megacorps, so the line between corporation, government, and yakuza is academic at best. LAW can and has had other companies taken out back and shot for the good of the Combine.
>>97905432Maybe there's lore that I'm ignorant of, but what really messes me up about the space feudalism is that it's written as a deliberate choice.Just looked it up: that's right! Michael Cameron decided to just revive nobility as a practice one day.
>>97906276And that factory is most likely the one that made the yak specific Von Luckners (or at least the refit kits for it) considering right around the time those became extinct, they started producing the K85N which is shockingly similar.They also came up with the Charger SA5 and KMZ, the latter of which I imagine is only piloted by people who wear tattoos instead of a cooling vest.
>>97906320It's a choice but it's also the system that has won out against all competitors due to the nature of the setting.
>>97906261You can put power armor on a pig, but it's still just a pig.
>>97906320Before that, the Terran Alliance ripped itself apart over democratic politics. Political parties were even banned for a while and are still considered a bad idea by many because of how hard they fucked up the Alliance. Of course, you can't really ban parties, a bunch of semi-influential people rallying behind one big guy and some shared ideals is functionally a political party whether it's called that or not, but they won't openly call it that in most of the setting.
Suppose John Neckbeard from the Merc band Teegee Grognards and Feddy Ratt from the Fox's Teeth fought, lost, and got captured at the same time by the Cappies. Will they treated differently, including the chance of getting their mechs back?
>>97906381Better read the lore to find out
>>97906381Mmm… unless one is a Cappellan Citizen, they’re probably gonna have an equally bad time.And likely if they ever get out and ask about getting their mechs back, the response from the Cappellan Bureaucrat will be “what mechs? You didn’t have any mechs when you were arrested”
Which lostech would be relatively easier to maintain and repair in 3025: a mech with the XL engine or a mech with the endo steel structure?>yes, the correct answer would be 'you cannot,' but still; relatively
>>97906443Don’t know about the endo-steel, but I suspect that given that XL engines are notoriously delicate, I suspect that your mechtech is going to come to HATE that engine with how frequently it will need repair.
>>97906443The engine will eventually have to be jury-rigged which will tank its performance very badly. The internal structure can be frankenmech'd over time with regular structure, although I'm pretty sure it's a class F refit job so it's not exactly feasible for most forces.
>>97906443XLE has critical slots that can be destroyed by weapons wire, endo does not. I'm sure the RPG fleshes this out more (and there's the realism argument), but by RAW I'd think you're only replacing endo if you lose a component.
>>97906472I think you would also have to jury-rig the internal structure when you have to repair its pips. By RAW, I think doesn't care about the 50/50 chance of being destroyed in a fall due to endo-steel critical slots not actually being destroyable, but it will slow you down or increase your piloting skill as per the salvage quality equipment table. Still a lot better than the engine slowing you down, adding heat, and destroying itself on a 50/50 check every time you fall or skid.
>>97906509Unless of course the endo-steel's "Critical hits against an endo steel critical slot have no effect and should be re-rolled." rule means that the jury rigged location just took X crits that now need to be rerolled and applied, where X is the number of endo-steel critical slots in that location. That would hurt.
Why is house Liao the best house.
>>97906622that's liao scheme? wonder what regiment is that
>>97906622Liao? They mostly aren’t. “Space North Korea” is, with all due respect, a periphery state that somehow ended up in the Inner Sphere. Historically they’re usually broke, or at least compared to the other 4 great houses, usually on the back foot of most conflicts, and hold the smallest territory of the big 5. Their armies are usually a hodgepodge of leftovers from the other houses plus whatever they could copy, the quality of which can swing wildly depending on if it was assembled by actual mechtechs or the holdover workers from when the factory was assembling furniture, before being converted.And that’s all without getting into their more controversial aspects.The Cappellan Confederation honestly reads like a hot mess at the best of times. But they are tenacious, I’ll give them that, pretty much have to be to make it this far. And it’s hard not to want to root for an underdog? even when they kinda deserve to be at the bottom
>>979066355th MAC I believe.
>>97906635My best guess would be Warrior House Lu Sann. But I could be completely wrong, considering I didn’t think the Combine would let a Hatamoto-Chi leave their possession. Also, the symbol on the mech honestly looks like a FedSun sunburst, but without the sword superimposed over it. But the Pillager and Vindicator are iconic Cappellan mechs, so I have no idea what to make of this image.
>>97906672You know, I think you might be right.Still don’t know how they got a hatamoto-chi.
>>97906672Yep, the Pillager has the Big Mac on its shoulder and the Hatamoto has the fifth regiment on its hip.Plus, filename says "Big Mac Attack"
>>97906622Why do damaged mechs are so often depicted as being caught fire?
>>97906709Daisy chained through the fedsuns, I assume. It probably wouldn't be super smart to put obviously salvaged drac mechs on the drac border. I'm sure many samurai would take it personally and go after whoever's piloting them.
>>97906709The Dracs and capellans have allied on and off over the years, and the Dracs occasionally sell them mechs, so it's not super unreasonable.
>>97906381Ransoming pilots and their mechs is normal throughout the IS, so it would depend on various factors. A Fedrat from a prestigious unit like the Foxes Teeth might be used as a political bargaining chip, or just sold back for C-bills, or thrown into a dark hole by the Maskirovka and never seen again. A mercenary from a unit with a good MRB rating would probably be ransomed back as just business as usual, but a merc from a less reputable command might be lucky to go home at all, and could end up being treated more like a pirate unless he had a friend with cash willing to put in the effort and expense to get him back.The big consideration in this is always that anybody who isn't either clinically insane or near retarded levels of IQ understands that at any given moment pilots from House Liao are also being taken prisoner, so setting a bad precedent can backfire. When CoordinatorTakeshi went full retard on mercenaries it had an adverse effect on the Combine's reputation that Teddy had to work hard to correct, and it is worth noting that had Teddy not put that effort in there would have been nobody to come help hold the line during the Battle of Luthien during the Clan Invasion.
>>97906751Hanse should have let Luthien fall
>>97906740> and the Dracs occasionally sell them mechs, so it's not super unreasonable.Yeah, they do. But I was under the impression that the Hatamoto-Chi was on the Combine’s short list of “mechs not for sale under any circumstance”.>>97906731That I can see happening.
>>97906763With what was at stake, that was not the time for petty squabbles.
>>97906832> I was under the impression that the Hatamoto-Chi was on the Combine’s short list of “mechs not for sale under any circumstance”Nothing I've heard of, and doesn't look to be mentioned in the TROs. It's just a revamped charger, which is specifically one of the mechs they sold to the caps.
>>97906763Luthien wasn't targeted for no reason. Letting it fall would have given the Clans a massive boost, and done no favors for the FedCom in the long run.
>>97906751And this is why killing pilots who've surrendered or have been captured is such a big deal going as far back as the SuccWars. There's a reason why Wayne Waco went crazy after his son was killed.
>>97906763Luthien would never have fallen; it would have been scoured with nukes before letting the Clans have it.
Finally got them all>What name should I give to this squad I wonder
>>97907000Axe Gang
>>97904003Man old lore is retarded
>>97905682Living that ALAG life
>>97907149Unlike the current lore?
>>97906622This just looks like a fat Master Chief
>>97906724Infernos I guess.I can't think of why battlemech armor would create self sustaining fires when damaged.
>>97902407>This is at least what my impressions have been from reading 3rd Succ stuff.Your impressions are wrong. National leaders had to have the concept - not even the details, just the concept - of what a "pulse laser" is, explained to them. They literally didn't even understand the very idea. Lostech was completely and totally extinct.There was NO Star League era tech left by the early 3020s, whatsoever. The barest prototypes of a super limited set of things recovered from the Helm Core had JUST started being put into Mechs by the Clan Invasion. What you are reading are a series of progressive retcons applied to the fluff (one could call it gaslighting) by FASA, then Fanpro, then CGL, in order to make the sudden jump from "nothing" to "it's known and common" take longer than just 3049-3052. But that's what happened, and retcons are not acceptable not canon. The lore is the lore and if they did not want what they wrote, then they shouldn't have written it in the first place.
>>97905076>Im not fat wtfYou're BMI starts with a 2 and you have higher than 6% body fat. You aren't just fat. You're disgustingly obese.
>>97907238So what you're saying is, I am completely correct for the current canonical series of events used by current writers for novels, rulebooks, sourcebooks and TROs.You could have just said that to start with.
>>97907238It's insanely fucking stupid for Anastasius Focht to not know what an XL engine or double heat sinks are and not think about the performance of a Flashman 8K when he sees video of a timber wolf.
>>97907238>There was NO Star League era tech left by the early 3020s, whatsoever.The Bounty Hunter? Never heard of him
>>97906460yes but no. XLFE engines aren't actually any more delicate than an SFE engine, they've just got such larger, bulkier lightweight shielding it's much , much easier to poke enough holes in it to make it shut down.which means the mech it is in is easier to render combat ineffective, but it means the XLFE itself is piss easy to slap some shield patch jobs on, and bob's your uncle, you're back in business.on the tabletop, this translates into mechs with SFE being great for straight matches. but in campaign play, where actual time and shit is a factor, multiple deploymentys bla bla bla, the XLFE mech conversely tends to end up being more useful, because it might be taken out of one fight by a side torso loss, putting three 'engine' hits, but that is a far, far easier repair comparative to what damage will take out the SFE mech, usually CT destruction, BOOM, mech 'done' forever (unless you can somehow salvage or buy the exact ct and sfe parts you need to almost completely rebuild the mech.)>>97906443always endo.but XLFE + endo are pretty much the basic requirements for an IS mech to have enough tonnage spared to even approach clanner fuckery.so its not really a case of one or the other.the other consideration, is in any play where endo and xlfe logistics is going to be a thing...ENDO requires you have an orbital microgravity factory making endo.any monkey can make the much much lighter, but far bulkier engine shielding for an XLFE. and SFE factory, with a slight bit of tooling can also make XLFE and by association, the XLFE shielding.so while xlfe seems more vulnerable, endo is dripfed as a trickle in supply chains, whilst you can patch holes in an XLFE a berjillion times over.
>>9790274441st. Division.
>>97907287Just eject before your center torso is destroyed.
>>97907267The Bounty Hunter's PA(L) armor is pretty much just a shell. The actual lostech miniaturized actuators and other stuff that makes it work as a power armor has long since broken and been removed, leaving just the armor plating and making it just a set of fancy looking body armor.
>>97906622lol. fuck no.cappellans are stupid CCP analogues now. thanks to colemen loving communist penis up his butt and down his throat.they were supposed to be 'evil retarded soviets' >... iiiinnnnnnn SPAAAAACE!so that everyone could hate them. then coleman's yellow fever flanderised them into >HAN CHINA IN SPACE BUT MAGICALLY THE BEST EVER AT EVERYTHING BECAUSE FUCK YOU!and they deserve to be hated IRL, because they have now been the strongest bestest at everything forever, far longer in the real world, than the davions ever fucking were.at this point only the woofs/goons have bigger retarded plot armour shitfuckery protecting them they don't deserve.
>>97907000you're missing the missile tube axman from 1st somerset strikers pack. you gotta 'aquire' a stl and print, I mean, totally buy that entire pack for the one mini you want in it...
>>97907161>>97905682which is even more awesome in the ilclan era, since explicitly every fucking one and their pet dog can have the vedette (armour) the manticore (xl) and LRM / SRM carrier C's. literally any militia planetary defence force can have a whole bunch of really NICE fucking tanks, which conveniently makes them a great opfor for 'yourdudes' to go against.
>>97907298>leaving just the armor plating and making it just a set of fancy looking body armorThe nighthawk model he uses is loaded with over 250 pounds of armor.
>>97907298The guy also got bunch of DHSs as well
>>97907301I do have that one but gonna paint that in Adam's color in cartoon
>>97906951wayne waco went crazy because he knew his son was a giant retard and a shit MechWarrior who he should have drummed out of the outfit years ago. but he didn't so the boy went full retard and got himself killed. which really means wayne waco killed his own son by being a faggot retard and indulging his son instead of disciplining him. and like all pussies who get their children killed by refusing to parent them, he got insanely angry at someone else he could shift his blame and regret and guilt onto. all to make himself feel better.
>>97907334>a giant retard and a shit MechWarrior who he should have drummed out of the outfit years agoSo...Phelan Kell?
>>97907334Wayne Waco got angry because he thought, in a time period where you don't kill ejected pilots, that his son was killed on purpose. He went crazy through grief after the fact.
>>97907322print/buy more. show your love of X mech with big units. whole lances.
>>97907351unfortunately, phelan kell had plot armour, and free 2/3.retard waco was like 5/6 or is it 4/5 on his card?
>>97907361And don't forget to field them in the appropriate era.
>>97907351Nah Kell's pretty good
fuck I love the mauler 4r
>>97907374Stackpole is just a Stu farmer
>>97907363His AU version, but still
>>97907287I don't think that's telling the whole story on the XL; while getting thrashed out early might mean that an XL chassis may be recoverable, a standard engine'd design under the same damage could have retreated under its own power. If you had retreated or acted under forced withdrawal (and actually tried to clear the field instead of a hex-by-hex fighting retreat) the standard wouldn't require a recovery team. There's also the question of cost, but that will depend strongly on exactly what repair rules are being used. Even in rules with flat critical repairs, the larger XL will need patched substantially more often under comparatively light fire and may be a burden in the long-run if recklessly handled.In that way I don't really think treating XLFE as a superior long-term survival option is correct; but it is a consideration that should soften die-hard XL haters to the IS XLFE. On a mech by mech, role by role basis, the weight savings and protective profile should be part of considering the mech's pros and cons, especially in designs with additional appropriate precautions (like CASE).
>>97907393yes. but then 'my dudes' always operate under forced withdrawal rules, because they're not suicidal retards,in which case the XLFE mech's faster profile will probably allow it retreat in better order than the slower sfe which will probably have to retreat under constant fire.
>>97905217In BT, it's very likely that the milita is pulling double duty as police, so they naturally have gear fit to spoil pirate raids on urban centers.
>>97907398I'll concede if you're running faster XLs, especially with jumps there's no better way to avoid enemy fire than not being in it. But if you needed to hold a position for just a little longer, you'd be able to push your luck better with a zombie.Ideally, running a mix would let you fight a fighting retreat with the XL element with a more durable line covering your prize fighter on the way out of the ring. That way you wouldn't have to choose.
I want a plastic Hitotsume Kozo. I need a plastic Hitotsume Kozo.
>>97907420in fact, the faster movement profiles of the XLFE mech may just give the edge in tankiness anyway. since if its moving fast enough to push that TMM up compared to a slower SFE mech, it may just tank more fire simply by not getting hit more. see a 4/6/4 or 4/6 sfe vs a 5/8/5 or 5/8 xlfe
I like APCs. Post APCs.
>>97907433supposedly coming. in one of the upcoming kurita lance packs.
>>97907433I want one because it's the mech used by Katana in the latter years of the Dark Age and my Dragon's Fury are incomplete without one.
>>97907442no wonder she gets captured and has to 'live' in the rape dungeon.
>>97907456>>97907442It annoys me that her plotline ends with her knowing a big secret about Daisuke's possible fate and location and how the Combine are going to interrogate her to find out and then it just... goes no where and the plotline is forgotten,
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>>97907442Katana is a distant relative of Minobu Tetsuhara. Fun little fact for ya.
>>97907481isn't rape dungeon guy also supposed to be a 'good guy' the cgl fucktards want us to like?
>>97907495>isn't rape dungeon guy also supposed to be a 'good guy'The reveal better not be that he was a Trans POC person all along. That would be way too British.
>>97907495I believe the Rape Dungeon is just a 4chan-ism. She was merely being held in prison awaiting execution before the whole "knows a big secret" thing dropped.
I like the Ares. I like the Poseidon.I like the Omega.I like Super Heavies.
>>97907515Orphanage ain't gonna flatten itself, I say.
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